Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Mon, 03 June 2019, 15:33:08
ASK55
The Alps 14.5u custom
Pre-launch IC now live! (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfRKNUzIq7yrQg2h3Ip5JlS-waKiWWjlzpIv5sCzsjidezAmg/viewform)
(https://paradigm.parts/assets/img/ask55/20200102_01.jpg)(https://paradigm.parts/assets/img/ask55/20200102_02.jpg)
(https://paradigm.parts/assets/img/ask55/20200102_05.jpg)(https://paradigm.parts/assets/img/ask55/20200102_04.jpg)
The Alps 14.5u custom
Pre-launch IC now live! (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfRKNUzIq7yrQg2h3Ip5JlS-waKiWWjlzpIv5sCzsjidezAmg/viewform)
(https://paradigm.parts/assets/img/ask55/20200102_01.jpg)(https://paradigm.parts/assets/img/ask55/20200102_02.jpg)
(https://paradigm.parts/assets/img/ask55/20200102_05.jpg)(https://paradigm.parts/assets/img/ask55/20200102_04.jpg)
Backstory and Origins:
In Summer 2018, I fell in love with the Apple M0116 keyboards and layout. I explored the options available to make a modern, sleek keyboard using the gorgeous keycaps and Alps switches. There was nothing readily available, unlike for the AEKII. After quickly realising that a regular 60% case for the Alps64 wasn't going to cut it, the ASK55 was born.
Over the last year, I've worked hard and spent a lot of time with some great people. I went away and developed 9 x 14.5u plates for the M0116, M0118, M0330, Mac Portable, IIc (and IIc with additional bottom row 1u key), IIc Plus and both NeXT non-ADB layouts with help from generous community members who loaned me the keysets for testing against.
The case has gone through numerous revisions but we're finally at a point where we're happy with our product. Thus, a year on, we're looking to see if there's enough hype to make it possible!
Facts and Specifications:
- 9 classic 14.5u Apple layouts supported (https://imgur.com/a/84m9I8X)
- A three-piece, case mount construction (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Custom_Keyboard_Construction)
- A 'swoop' top to support the M0116, M0118, M0330 and Mac Portable
- A 'flat' top to support the NeXT AAE, NeXT ABP, both IIc plates and the IIc Plus
- A common bottom which supports all layouts
- Available in frosted polycarbonate and 6063 aluminium
- 14.5u Alps PCB
- QMK-compatible, USB-C connectivity
- One PCB which supports all 8 layouts
- RGB underglow
- Dedicated plates
- A dedicated plate for each layout
- Available in brushed brass and brushed stainless steel
Current Status (02/01/2020):
Prototype photos can be found at https://paradigm.parts/projects/ask55 (https://paradigm.parts/projects/ask55). Do you guys know how damn hard it is to take somewhat respectable pictures in the dark?!
Our final interest check (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfRKNUzIq7yrQg2h3Ip5JlS-waKiWWjlzpIv5sCzsjidezAmg/viewform) is also live. Please register your interest!
News and Links:
RENDERS CREDIT: kingk22 (https://renders.kingk22.xyz)
FAQ/LATEST UPDATE: https://paradigm.parts/articles/ask55-faq
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 03 June 2019, 15:42:50
Oh, okay I see. I had no idea the space bar was that crazy on the M0116. Does it feel janky?
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Mon, 03 June 2019, 15:50:18
I don't know what an 8x14.5u Apple layout is. Can you post a layout image?
Oh, okay I see. I had no idea the space bar was that crazy on the M0116. Does it feel janky?
The M0116 is my favourite layout of all time. Because the spacebar isn't ridiculously long, it's actually pretty well stabilised!
I'll update the original post to make the layouts clear. Thank you!
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Mon, 03 June 2019, 15:58:56
Do you plan on doing any colors of PC, or just plain 'ol frosted?
Post by: cckeyboards on Mon, 03 June 2019, 16:07:17
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Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Mon, 03 June 2019, 16:12:38
I give it a thumbs up :thumb: I'd certainly be interested if the price is right.
Do you plan on doing any colors of PC, or just plain 'ol frosted?
Hey! I've said from the start that I don't want the price to be ridiculous however I can't put a figure on it just yet without gauging interest, design features or changes etc.
As it stands, I was 'throttling' the different colour options in order to keep us in-line with MOQs and, ultimately, bring the price down. It's a conversation I'll have with the manufacturer if there's enough traction!
Thanks for the big ol' thumbs up too! :thumb:
This is looking good! I have a couple M0118 laying around waiting for a new life and can lend you some keycaps if you still need them.
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Thank you! I'd definitely appreciate that, if it's available. Please do PM me!
Post by: yui_ on Mon, 03 June 2019, 16:38:24
Great work, it looks really nice.
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Mon, 03 June 2019, 16:43:39
I've been looking into getting an alps board at some point in the future but wanted it to be something more unique so if this were a decent price I would definitely be interested.
Great work, it looks really nice.
Cheers, George! I'm really glad to be offering something that people who have been holding on to the 8 keycap sets can make use of. That, and there's ample supply of really clean sets in the wild.
Post by: NinjaSquirrel21 on Mon, 03 June 2019, 16:50:16
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Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Mon, 03 June 2019, 17:13:48
So hyped about this! Reached out via email a few weeks ago and I'm so excited to see this IC!
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I wasn't not going to see this through! Thank you for the interest and the enthusiasm; it's definitely kept me going!
Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 03 June 2019, 22:30:51
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Wed, 05 June 2019, 14:16:31
Post by: sl70309 on Thu, 06 June 2019, 08:40:01
Post by: vewy_nice on Fri, 07 June 2019, 09:48:31
Can we get at least SOME variation in aluminum finishes?
Silver/Grey/Black would be enough. I really want black.
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sat, 08 June 2019, 11:30:12
could you please post picture of each layout?
I'll try and get round to this at some point, I have a busy weekend and start to next week but I'll try and make something to present! In the meantime, you can google each of the layouts as there's plenty of boards out there!
I was going to cut down my NeXT case to make one of these... Maybe I'll just wait ;)
Can we get at least SOME variation in aluminum finishes?
Silver/Grey/Black would be enough. I really want black.
There's an MOQ of 30 of each case style, in order to get a few different finishes. I'll try speaking with the manufacturer (and possibly some retailers) about our options.
Post by: ttom on Sat, 08 June 2019, 19:35:26
Post by: vikipedeer on Sat, 08 June 2019, 21:00:44
other than that I'm suuuuuper excite for this project, and supporting my good friend Alas
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sat, 22 June 2019, 22:12:34
would definitely be interested in polycarbonate case with a m0116 plate, gonna keep my eyes on this
That's perfect, thank you :thumb:
you should add KLE layout for each of the layout supported so vintage noob like me know which plate I'll be getting
other than that I'm suuuuuper excite for this project, and supporting my good friend Alas
Alas is awesome and has been nothing short of helpful and supportive! I'll look to get KLEs soon ;D
Post by: directheatedtriode on Sun, 23 June 2019, 19:01:12
Post by: gminso on Sun, 23 June 2019, 22:07:26
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Mon, 24 June 2019, 17:49:44
Add me to the interested list
Thank you! Have you filled out the IC?
the plates and pcb will be compatible with any other 60% cases?
Unfortunately not. The Apple layouts mentioned are all 14.5u whereas a typical 60% is 15u.
Post by: Vireca on Tue, 25 June 2019, 11:41:55
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Wed, 26 June 2019, 13:57:26
its a pity that it only going to support m0116. I have a m0115 keyset :(. The case is awesome, I hope you'll do one for the 60% Alps
Thank you! I may dabble in the 'ordinary' 15u/60% layouts in the future but, right now, I've gotta give love to these 14.5s.
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sat, 29 June 2019, 18:52:06
- I will look in to the possibility of a plastic plate for the grey alu cases but no promises
- I will draw up the 8 different plate layouts tomorrow
Continue to share the project and complete the IC if you haven't done so already. Again, thank you all. :p
Post by: eas on Sat, 29 June 2019, 22:30:20
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sun, 30 June 2019, 06:08:39
Sold all my NeXT stuff last year. I'm ready to rekindle the flame. Down for 1.
Good luck on your quest! Thanks for your interest as well :D
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sun, 30 June 2019, 07:41:08
I don't know what an 8x14.5u Apple layout is. Can you post a layout image?
Oh, okay I see. I had no idea the space bar was that crazy on the M0116. Does it feel janky?
you should add KLE layout for each of the layout supported so vintage noob like me know which plate I'll be getting
other than that I'm suuuuuper excite for this project, and supporting my good friend Alas
could you please post picture of each layout?
You'll all be glad to know that I've added the layouts which the PCB supports. It can be found above or in this handy gallery: https://imgur.com/a/84m9I8X
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Wed, 10 July 2019, 17:01:40
If these case prototypes are up-to-scratch, I'll stick a plate in them and get some pictures up. Once Yiancar has worked his magic with the PCB, I'll proof it against our layouts.
Once that's done, well... I suppose we go live! ;D
https://paradigm.parts/guidance/ask55/faq/
Post by: yui_ on Wed, 10 July 2019, 17:05:00
All I have to ask now is whether you're planning on something that could utilise that left over numpad from the M0116
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Wed, 10 July 2019, 17:14:12
Excited to see this go live, the case looks amazing!
All I have to ask now is whether you're planning on something that could utilise that left over numpad from the M0116
We did toy with the idea of a matching numpad... heck, it's still on the Trello as a future project!
My main focus right now is the ASK55 but I won't rule it out in future. :cool:
Post by: vikipedeer on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:12:59
also my set of caps for this board has arrived
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Fri, 12 July 2019, 07:30:52
my body has never been so ready
also my set of caps for this board has arrived
Me too! I'm getting all my switches and caps ready for my own builds at the moment :p
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Tue, 23 July 2019, 16:45:54
I can confirm that we'll also push ahead with RGB underglow on the PCB and USB-C connectivity. I can't thank y'all enough for your feedback during the IC. Whether you have questions or you'd like to share your hype, get in touch :cool:
Proper renders coming soon, prototypes in a few weeks (fingers crossed)!
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Wed, 24 July 2019, 16:44:15
The default key mapping will support the M0116, M0330 and IIc Plus. There's a NeXT layout for both non-ADB boards and unique layouts for the M0118, IIc and Mac Portable. By default, the underglow LEDs can be disabled with ESC+BKSP and the PCB can be put in to DFU mode by using the reset button or by holding ESC when inserting the USB-C cable.
(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Pieparker/paradigm/master/images/teasers/ASK55/20190724_01.jpg)
Post by: Aznakh on Thu, 25 July 2019, 06:38:26
TL;DR: I'm interested.
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Thu, 25 July 2019, 08:09:52
Heck yes! Bought a M0116 earlier this year and have been wondering what to do with it, this is perfect!
TL;DR: I'm interested.
Amazing :D Does the M0116 have salmons or oranges? ;D
Post by: Aznakh on Fri, 26 July 2019, 04:30:17
Amazing :D Does the M0116 have salmons or oranges? ;D
It's a Norwegian board with oranges. I bought if a few months ago and recently opened all the switches to clean them, went over the leaf springs and gave them a little more tension as well. I love the switches, but I would really like to try salmons as well, for comparison.
The fact that I can use the original layout is amazing, I need to thank you for doing this!
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Fri, 26 July 2019, 07:09:08
Amazing :D Does the M0116 have salmons or oranges? ;D
It's a Norwegian board with oranges. I bought if a few months ago and recently opened all the switches to clean them, went over the leaf springs and gave them a little more tension as well. I love the switches, but I would really like to try salmons as well, for comparison.
The fact that I can use the original layout is amazing, I need to thank you for doing this!
Oh man, I love salmons. A little heavier but they're my jam.
You're more then welcome! :thumb:
Post by: mounds on Fri, 26 July 2019, 18:11:24
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sat, 27 July 2019, 17:58:21
In for two at least, m0116 and NeXT Non-ADB layouts :thumb: Gotta love that mini/massive space bar.
Oh dang! Considering you'll be looking at a swoop top kit and a flat top kit, you'll love the new renders :cool:
Post by: EMC Labs on Sat, 27 July 2019, 21:02:20
Post by: yui_ on Sat, 27 July 2019, 22:27:46
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sun, 28 July 2019, 08:21:53
Do we have any price estimates as of yet?
I'm really reluctant to release anything before receiving the prototypes but I understand that price is important. What I will share is that, at lowest MOQ, the sets will price between $325 and $475 depending on materials. This includes all fees etc except postage.
I will add that I'm working with a manufacturer who is absolutely at the top of the tree when it comes to workmanship and our prototypes will affirm this :thumb:
Absolutely amazing work on the renders, when I saw them I almost thought they were photos for a bit!
Thank you! All credit to kingk22 (https://renders.kingk22.xyz) 'cos there's no way I could do it! :))
Post by: EMC Labs on Mon, 29 July 2019, 01:47:33
Do we have any price estimates as of yet?
I'm really reluctant to release anything before receiving the prototypes but I understand that price is important. What I will share is that, at lowest MOQ, the sets will price between $325 and $475 depending on materials. This includes all fees etc except postage.
I will add that I'm working with a manufacturer who is absolutely at the top of the tree when it comes to workmanship and our prototypes will affirm this :thumb:Absolutely amazing work on the renders, when I saw them I almost thought they were photos for a bit!
Thank you! All credit to kingk22 (https://renders.kingk22.xyz) 'cos there's no way I could do it! :))
Thank you! Great to hear.
Post by: cerement on Fri, 02 August 2019, 18:41:26
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PCB and plates are complete and finalised.
In that case, for the next round of PCBs, is there a chance of adding support for the M0110 bottom row?
(1u blocker) – 1u – 1.5u – 7.5u spacebar – 1.5u – 1u – (1u blocker)
SKCC switches have different plate holes but have the same pinouts as SKCM/SKCL – so if the PCB supported the M0110 bottom row, it could be used as a drop-in replacement and give modern programmable support to one of the most iconic 14.5u keyboards out there ...
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 02 August 2019, 19:39:27
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sun, 04 August 2019, 08:18:28
Of course I don’t find this IC until now ...QuotePCB and plates are complete and finalised.
In that case, for the next round of PCBs, is there a chance of adding support for the M0110 bottom row?
(1u blocker) – 1u – 1.5u – 7.5u spacebar – 1.5u – 1u – (1u blocker)
SKCC switches have different plate holes but have the same pinouts as SKCM/SKCL – so if the PCB supported the M0110 bottom row, it could be used as a drop-in replacement and give modern programmable support to one of the most iconic 14.5u keyboards out there ...
Aghh, it aches me when things like this happen. I'd love to be all-encompassing, I would! In fact, it's the first time it's been mentioned - not even during IC. I've taken it on board though! :thumb:
I will also just add that we've changed the design ever so slightly. It doesn't impact the board cosmetically. We're using M3 screws in place of M2.5 on the top cases so that, during anodisation, the cases can be mounted by these threads and eradicate any hooking defects. We've added M5 threads in the existing holes on the bottom case for the same purpose.
There's two manufacturers in the running at the moment so we can expect two sets of prototypes soon. Quality and communications will determine which manufacturer we proceed with.
In other news, I've been working on a new site to replace the existing Paradigm site. I'm not a fan of the rigid, corporate-esque look we have at the moment.
Post by: Rob27shred on Sun, 04 August 2019, 11:35:10
I don't know what an 8x14.5u Apple layout is. Can you post a layout image?
Oh, okay I see. I had no idea the space bar was that crazy on the M0116. Does it feel janky?
The M0116 is my favourite layout of all time. Because the spacebar isn't ridiculously long, it's actually pretty well stabilised!
I'll update the original post to make the layouts clear. Thank you!
I had the opposite experience with the spacebar on a M0116. I got a really clean one for a good price awhile back, so I originally planned to just use it as is. Well the spacebar on it absolutely killed it for me,
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Because of the switch being offset so far to the right on the spacebar it would bind like crazy & always come back to rest crooked AF. I tried lubing the stabilizers/post & even went as far as hot gluing the wire holders into the plate cause I thought the left one might have been popping out with no luck. Just a bad design choice to put the switch where they did & unfortunately there is not much that can be done to fix that IME. What really kills me is the cap has a post for a centered switch which would have made the spacebar work perfectly.
Anyways, enough about that damned spacebar LOL! I really like this board design you've come up with & will hopefully be joining since I have a batch of very clean SKCM Oranges from my aforementioned M0116 that need a good home. Question though, will you be able to use the M0116s spacebar on a centered switch with this kit? I also like the size of it & think if it was on a centered switch all the problems I had with it on the offset switch will go away.
Post by: yui_ on Sun, 04 August 2019, 11:54:36
I don't know what an 8x14.5u Apple layout is. Can you post a layout image?
Oh, okay I see. I had no idea the space bar was that crazy on the M0116. Does it feel janky?
The M0116 is my favourite layout of all time. Because the spacebar isn't ridiculously long, it's actually pretty well stabilised!
I'll update the original post to make the layouts clear. Thank you!
I had the opposite experience with the spacebar on a M0116. I got a really clean one for a good price awhile back, so I originally planned to just use it as is. Well the spacebar on it absolutely killed it for me,
(Attachment Link)
Because of the switch being offset so far to the right on the spacebar it would bind like crazy & always come back to rest crooked AF. I tried lubing the stabilizers/post & even went as far as hot gluing the wire holders into the plate cause I thought the left one might have been popping out with no luck. Just a bad design choice to put the switch where they did & unfortunately there is not much that can be done to fix that IME. What really kills me is the cap has a post for a centered switch which would have made the spacebar work perfectly.
Anyways, enough about that damned spacebar LOL! I really like this board design you've come up with & will hopefully be joining since I have a batch of very clean SKCM Oranges from my aforementioned M0116 that need a good home. Question though, will you be able to use the M0116s spacebar on a centered switch with this kit? I also like the size of it & think if it was on a centered switch all the problems I had with it on the offset switch will go away.
I would also be curious to hear where the switch would be positioned on the cap.
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sun, 04 August 2019, 12:03:18
I don't know what an 8x14.5u Apple layout is. Can you post a layout image?
Oh, okay I see. I had no idea the space bar was that crazy on the M0116. Does it feel janky?
The M0116 is my favourite layout of all time. Because the spacebar isn't ridiculously long, it's actually pretty well stabilised!
I'll update the original post to make the layouts clear. Thank you!
I had the opposite experience with the spacebar on a M0116. I got a really clean one for a good price awhile back, so I originally planned to just use it as is. Well the spacebar on it absolutely killed it for me,
(Attachment Link)
Because of the switch being offset so far to the right on the spacebar it would bind like crazy & always come back to rest crooked AF. I tried lubing the stabilizers/post & even went as far as hot gluing the wire holders into the plate cause I thought the left one might have been popping out with no luck. Just a bad design choice to put the switch where they did & unfortunately there is not much that can be done to fix that IME. What really kills me is the cap has a post for a centered switch which would have made the spacebar work perfectly.
Anyways, enough about that damned spacebar LOL! I really like this board design you've come up with & will hopefully be joining since I have a batch of very clean SKCM Oranges from my aforementioned M0116 that need a good home. Question though, will you be able to use the M0116s spacebar on a centered switch with this kit? I also like the size of it & think if it was on a centered switch all the problems I had with it on the offset switch will go away.
Bummer that you're not having a good time with it! The only thing I don't like is how they're ABS :mad: But there may be something in the pipeline for this...
As for using the centre stem: I've just checked versus the PCB and it doesn't support the use of the centre stem. However, with a bit of wire you'd be able to conjure something if you were set on it! That said, the plate is also built with the use of the right-hand stem in mind but it wouldn't be too hard to move!
(https://i.imgur.com/gNnizQf.jpg)
Post by: Rob27shred on Sun, 04 August 2019, 12:23:09
I don't know what an 8x14.5u Apple layout is. Can you post a layout image?
Oh, okay I see. I had no idea the space bar was that crazy on the M0116. Does it feel janky?
The M0116 is my favourite layout of all time. Because the spacebar isn't ridiculously long, it's actually pretty well stabilised!
I'll update the original post to make the layouts clear. Thank you!
I had the opposite experience with the spacebar on a M0116. I got a really clean one for a good price awhile back, so I originally planned to just use it as is. Well the spacebar on it absolutely killed it for me,
(Attachment Link)
Because of the switch being offset so far to the right on the spacebar it would bind like crazy & always come back to rest crooked AF. I tried lubing the stabilizers/post & even went as far as hot gluing the wire holders into the plate cause I thought the left one might have been popping out with no luck. Just a bad design choice to put the switch where they did & unfortunately there is not much that can be done to fix that IME. What really kills me is the cap has a post for a centered switch which would have made the spacebar work perfectly.
Anyways, enough about that damned spacebar LOL! I really like this board design you've come up with & will hopefully be joining since I have a batch of very clean SKCM Oranges from my aforementioned M0116 that need a good home. Question though, will you be able to use the M0116s spacebar on a centered switch with this kit? I also like the size of it & think if it was on a centered switch all the problems I had with it on the offset switch will go away.
Bummer that you're not having a good time with it! The only thing I don't like is how they're ABS :mad: But there may be something in the pipeline for this...
As for using the centre stem: I've just checked versus the PCB and it doesn't support the use of the centre stem. However, with a bit of wire you'd be able to conjure something if you were set on it! That said, the plate is also built with the use of the right-hand stem in mind but it wouldn't be too hard to move!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gNnizQf.jpg)
Thanks for checking it out & the quick response! Kinda a bummer, but like you said if I am determined to get the switch in the center with a M0116 spacebar it is definitely possible with a little planning & elbow grease. Actually who knows being able to build the board myself may allow me to get the offset switch setup working properly. While it was a frustrating experience it probably was more to do with my specific M0116 &/or it's spacebar than the overall design, since the binding I experienced doesn't seem to be be a common complaint with them. Still very interested in the ASK55 either way!
As for the original M0116, AEK, AEKII, etc. spacebars, I agree them being ABS vs all the other old apple caps being PBT is pain. I managed to snag a pretty white AEK spacebar from the guy on e-bay that sells old apple caps, but one of the posts that hold the stab guide is cracked. Then I haven't had much luck retrobrighting any of the yellowed ones I got, so I am most certainly intrigued by the little nugget you dropped about something possibly being in the works about that too!
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sun, 11 August 2019, 15:50:48
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Mon, 19 August 2019, 14:17:45
Manufacturer one is pricier than manufacturer two. However, their track record is phenomenal; they are the go-to manufacturer for very premium, very special boards. They know the community and they have a very keen eye for detail.
Manufacturer two is less costly. I don't believe that they are as privy to the community though they have worked with a good number of designers and produced successful and desirable boards.
Why am I telling you this?
I'm a sucker for perfection. I set out to deliver a product that I would, first and foremost, be proud to own myself. With this in mind, I've received the prototypes from manufacturer one today and they are bang on the money. They're gorgeous. Flawless, even. I can't fathom how delectable they are. They blow all of the the previous prototypes out of the park.
But, I'm eager to see if a cheaper manufacturer can deliver a product that rivals this quality. So, once I receive the prototypes from manufacturer two, I'll compare them versus the prototypes from manufacturer one in order to decide who we proceed with. I'll share my reasons and justifications. I'd hate to price people out of it however quality is my top priority.
Once this is done, we'll get some glamour shots prepared and then... then we can get hyped! :D
Post by: yui_ on Tue, 20 August 2019, 01:29:10
As you may be aware, we're working with two manufacturers on our last prototype revision. We've requested prototypes of our cases in UV/scratch resistant frosted polycarbonate and 6063 grey aluminium.
Manufacturer one is pricier than manufacturer two. However, their track record is phenomenal; they are the go-to manufacturer for very premium, very special boards. They know the community and they have a very keen eye for detail.
Manufacturer two is less costly. I don't believe that they are as privy to the community though they have worked with a good number of designers and produced successful and desirable boards.
Why am I telling you this?
I'm a sucker for perfection. I set out to deliver a product that I would, first and foremost, be proud to own myself. With this in mind, I've received the prototypes from manufacturer one today and they are bang on the money. They're gorgeous. Flawless, even. I can't fathom how delectable they are. They blow all of the the previous prototypes out of the park.
But, I'm eager to see if a cheaper manufacturer can deliver a product that rivals this quality. So, once I receive the prototypes from manufacturer two, I'll compare them versus the prototypes from manufacturer one in order to decide who we proceed with. I'll share my reasons and justifications. I'd hate to price people out of it however quality is my top priority.
Once this is done, we'll get some glamour shots prepared and then... then we can get hyped! :D
You're the designer, and it's your product. I know you'll make the best decision in the end!
So excited for this one! :thumb:
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Fri, 06 September 2019, 16:28:33
- Awaiting manufacturer 2's prototypes, in manufacture now
- New revamped website will go live once manu 2's prototypes arrive
We're not done... we've not even started! :p
Post by: EMC Labs on Fri, 06 September 2019, 19:58:12
Very brief update:
- Awaiting manufacturer 2's prototypes, in manufacture now
- New revamped website will go live once manu 2's prototypes
We're not done... we've not even started! :p
Great to hear about the updates.
Post by: dom on Wed, 11 September 2019, 14:17:57
I'm a sucker for perfection. I set out to deliver a product that I would, first and foremost, be proud to own myself.
Take your time, make it perfect and we'll follow ;)
6063 aluminium sounds perfect ;D and, as a fanboy, I can't wait to see the prototypes, to be honest!
(https://i.imgur.com/jffHWAH.gif)
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Fri, 20 September 2019, 11:30:17
I'm a sucker for perfection. I set out to deliver a product that I would, first and foremost, be proud to own myself.
Take your time, make it perfect and we'll follow ;)
6063 aluminium sounds perfect ;D and, as a fanboy, I can't wait to see the prototypes, to be honest!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jffHWAH.gif)
Thank you for the feedback!
I bring news. The second (cheaper) manufacturer is sending two consignments after missing half of the protos off the first delivery. I've received the first consignment today. First impressions are OK. They're clearly not as good as our more expensive option; they have a few scratches on non-outside edges which I'm not too impressed with. The delivery mess-up doesn't fill me with hope either.
However, I'll await the second consignment before I get some pictures out and come to a decision. Though, early indication would be that I'd be more satisfied with a better quality finish which our first manufacturer has proven that they can deliver.
Post by: Jampot_298 on Sat, 21 September 2019, 05:18:43
Great news! Can't wait!I'm a sucker for perfection. I set out to deliver a product that I would, first and foremost, be proud to own myself.
Take your time, make it perfect and we'll follow ;)
6063 aluminium sounds perfect ;D and, as a fanboy, I can't wait to see the prototypes, to be honest!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jffHWAH.gif)
Thank you for the feedback!
I bring news. The second (cheaper) manufacturer is sending two consignments after missing half of the protos off the first delivery. I've received the first consignment today. First impressions are OK. They're clearly not as good as our more expensive option; they have a few scratches on non-outside edges which I'm not too impressed with. The delivery mess-up doesn't fill me with hope either.
However, I'll await the second consignment before I get some pictures out and come to a decision. Though, early indication would be that I'd be more satisfied with a better quality finish which our first manufacturer has proven that they can deliver.
I'm not sure how other people feel but personally I'd be willing to pay a bit extra in order to have a better quality final product, so I'd be happier with manu 1
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Post by: dom on Sat, 21 September 2019, 06:16:55
I'm not sure how other people feel
Same
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sat, 21 September 2019, 22:08:59
I'm not sure how other people feel
Same
Yeah, it's crossed my mind. I am conscious of the price though I am a sucker for the crème de la crème. I wouldn't be happy with something which wasn't perfect. We'll know more in a week or so. Manu 2, the cheaper manu, have asked for some pictures and details so we'll see what comes of that too.
Post by: Jampot_298 on Sun, 22 September 2019, 05:03:03
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Post by: sendpie on Sun, 06 October 2019, 04:56:51
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Mon, 14 October 2019, 11:44:13
Great! Sounds like you're on it! I'm also a sucker for perfection and Im really into boards with small details to appreciate. Thanks for keeping us updated!
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any minor updates ?
I recognise that it's been a while; I've been caught up with quite a few things out in the real world.
I'm still tasked with liaising with the cheaper manu to see if there's any resolution to their imperfections. Otherwise, we'll crack on with manufacturer one.
Post by: Jampot_298 on Mon, 14 October 2019, 11:52:40
Epic! Sounds great, I can't wait for this!Great! Sounds like you're on it! I'm also a sucker for perfection and Im really into boards with small details to appreciate. Thanks for keeping us updated!
Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalkany minor updates ?
I recognise that it's been a while; I've been caught up with quite a few things out in the real world.
I'm still tasked with liaising with the cheaper manu to see if there's any resolution to their imperfections. Otherwise, we'll crack on with manufacturer one.
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Post by: yui_ on Sun, 20 October 2019, 15:51:10
Post by: Jampot_298 on Sun, 20 October 2019, 16:16:25
Are there currently any plans for a wider selection of plate materials? I would personally love for carbon fibre to be offered.Same I'd love to know as well!
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Post by: jrs on Sat, 26 October 2019, 02:05:15
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Mon, 11 November 2019, 08:53:05
Keep peeled. :cool:
Post by: Chesebro on Mon, 11 November 2019, 11:21:49
Post by: d00deitsnik on Tue, 12 November 2019, 23:41:28
Post by: Jampot_298 on Wed, 13 November 2019, 02:22:31
I'm pretty excited for this. Can't wait! (But I can wait till after December since these next few months are looking pretty expensive at the moment :p)Yep same dude! Im trying to manage my finances properly as well so I can afford this lovely board!
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Post by: Cods on Wed, 13 November 2019, 07:51:30
Post by: djeucalyptus on Thu, 14 November 2019, 13:16:32
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sun, 01 December 2019, 14:39:36
Because of the expected low volume (compared to other, more in-demand group buys) and the quality we strive to deliver, it will impact the price. We endeavour to ensure that our cases cost between $350 and $550, depending on chosen options/materials. We'll know more when I get quotes re-validated.
Instead, for now, how about a fresh new website (https://paradigm.parts)? :cool:
Post by: sendpie on Mon, 02 December 2019, 07:36:12
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Thu, 02 January 2020, 02:43:19
Not forgotten, guys. Don't worry. Though, Brexit is looming so I'll update you if things change on the EU shipping front.
I'll also get an interest check form out to ensure that we can hit the MOQs we require.
:thumb:
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Thu, 02 January 2020, 16:33:53
https://paradigm.parts/projects/ask55
Post by: gnhuy91 on Thu, 02 January 2020, 20:26:59
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Fri, 03 January 2020, 08:00:43
sexy! love the clear pc build
Cheers for the kind words :D I can't emphasise how tidy it really is.
Post by: mode on Sat, 04 January 2020, 18:18:33
I don't know what an 8x14.5u Apple layout is. Can you post a layout image?
Oh, okay I see. I had no idea the space bar was that crazy on the M0116. Does it feel janky?
The M0116 is my favourite layout of all time. Because the spacebar isn't ridiculously long, it's actually pretty well stabilised!
I'll update the original post to make the layouts clear. Thank you!
I had the opposite experience with the spacebar on a M0116. I got a really clean one for a good price awhile back, so I originally planned to just use it as is. Well the spacebar on it absolutely killed it for me,
(Attachment Link)
Because of the switch being offset so far to the right on the spacebar it would bind like crazy & always come back to rest crooked AF. I tried lubing the stabilizers/post & even went as far as hot gluing the wire holders into the plate cause I thought the left one might have been popping out with no luck. Just a bad design choice to put the switch where they did & unfortunately there is not much that can be done to fix that IME. What really kills me is the cap has a post for a centered switch which would have made the spacebar work perfectly.
Anyways, enough about that damned spacebar LOL! I really like this board design you've come up with & will hopefully be joining since I have a batch of very clean SKCM Oranges from my aforementioned M0116 that need a good home. Question though, will you be able to use the M0116s spacebar on a centered switch with this kit? I also like the size of it & think if it was on a centered switch all the problems I had with it on the offset switch will go away.
I'm surprised, my M0116 doesn't bind on the spacebar at all, and it's not the cleanest example of an M0116 and I've not gotten around to cleaning it properly.
Post by: mounds on Sat, 04 January 2020, 21:34:01
Do we have any price estimates as of yet?
I'm really reluctant to release anything before receiving the prototypes but I understand that price is important. What I will share is that, at lowest MOQ, the sets will price between $325 and $475 depending on materials. This includes all fees etc except postage.
I will add that I'm working with a manufacturer who is absolutely at the top of the tree when it comes to workmanship and our prototypes will affirm this :thumb:
Rough, but still interested in PCB + plates if anything.
Post by: pizza_is_a_lie on Sun, 05 January 2020, 15:11:57
I had the opposite experience with the spacebar on a M0116. I got a really clean one for a good price awhile back, so I originally planned to just use it as is. Well the spacebar on it absolutely killed it for me,
(Attachment Link)
Because of the switch being offset so far to the right on the spacebar it would bind like crazy & always come back to rest crooked AF. I tried lubing the stabilizers/post & even went as far as hot gluing the wire holders into the plate cause I thought the left one might have been popping out with no luck. Just a bad design choice to put the switch where they did & unfortunately there is not much that can be done to fix that IME. What really kills me is the cap has a post for a centered switch which would have made the spacebar work perfectly.
Anyways, enough about that damned spacebar LOL! I really like this board design you've come up with & will hopefully be joining since I have a batch of very clean SKCM Oranges from my aforementioned M0116 that need a good home. Question though, will you be able to use the M0116s spacebar on a centered switch with this kit? I also like the size of it & think if it was on a centered switch all the problems I had with it on the offset switch will go away.
I'm surprised, my M0116 doesn't bind on the spacebar at all, and it's not the cleanest example of an M0116 and I've not gotten around to cleaning it properly.
I wonder if the stabs are different based on year/country of manufacture? Maybe slightly different tolerances or something? Not too sure. Much like you, my experience has always been really good :D
Do we have any price estimates as of yet?
I'm really reluctant to release anything before receiving the prototypes but I understand that price is important. What I will share is that, at lowest MOQ, the sets will price between $325 and $475 depending on materials. This includes all fees etc except postage.
I will add that I'm working with a manufacturer who is absolutely at the top of the tree when it comes to workmanship and our prototypes will affirm this :thumb:
Rough, but still interested in PCB + plates if anything.
I know how you feel, bud. I really did fight for some cheaper manus but their quality just isn't all that :-[ This manu is the real deal (https://paradigm.parts/projects/ask55) though, rest assured.
Case aside, the plates are flawless and the PCB works a treat too :thumb:
Post by: gnhuy91 on Thu, 23 January 2020, 00:52:54
Post by: meatsmoothies on Mon, 09 March 2020, 20:14:53
Post by: monteyalps on Tue, 10 March 2020, 10:10:20
Hype!
Post by: Cods on Thu, 09 April 2020, 19:43:50
Post by: ZyBeR on Tue, 28 April 2020, 16:54:18
Post by: toniwonkanobi on Wed, 22 July 2020, 07:18:03
Any ETA for the GB?
Yeah! I'd like to know too :)
Post by: Cods on Wed, 05 August 2020, 17:07:18
Post by: toniwonkanobi on Mon, 05 October 2020, 08:32:59
Hey @pizza_is_a_lie - just checking that this is (as per your web page) still alive, but just sleeping for the moment. Very keen!
Same here—very interested in this project. This is the only ~60% project I'm aware of which accommodates the NeXT non-ADB (AAE) ANSI layout. I've pinged the proprietor a couple of times, but I feel like this is on indefinite hold :/
Post by: Cods on Sat, 10 October 2020, 22:41:29
Post by: Icemanrec on Tue, 13 October 2020, 11:20:13
Post by: netbike on Tue, 10 November 2020, 01:58:19
thanks
Post by: toniwonkanobi on Tue, 10 November 2020, 06:45:46
Hi there, just received the blank pcb and am going to solder up the board. Is there any information where I can build the layout and flash the board?
thanks
Ahh. You got one? Nice! I missed those FS threads on r/mechmarket. Sad. The pizza guy is as unresponsive here as he is on reddit. I was able to exchange a few PMs on reddit, but he ghosted me after that. I hope someone else makes a similar project which supports the NeXT keyboard. I love that thing and its keycaps; no one else has done a similar 60% project supporting that particular vintage board 😢
Post by: kajahtaa on Tue, 10 November 2020, 11:34:40
Hopefully some day the board will run.
Post by: treeleaf64 on Tue, 10 November 2020, 11:39:01
Post by: treeleaf64 on Tue, 10 November 2020, 11:40:34