Super excited for this! Can you explain the difference between the standard weight and upgraded weight?
That is silver pvd in the picture? Interesting, it looks gold. Definitely would be interested in seeing the graphite option.Super excited for this! Can you explain the difference between the standard weight and upgraded weight?
Great question. The standard weight configuration is a sandblasted brass with antioxidation coating which you can see on the white board, the "upgraded weight" is nickel-plated and polish finish which you can see an example of in the photo showing the internal weight on a black board. That is specifically the silver, while there is also a graphite option. A comparison photo will be posted when I have both of those options back in hand. At the moment, the silver is out with a streamer!
That is silver pvd in the picture? Interesting, it looks gold. Definitely would be interested in seeing the graphite option.Super excited for this! Can you explain the difference between the standard weight and upgraded weight?
Great question. The standard weight configuration is a sandblasted brass with antioxidation coating which you can see on the white board, the "upgraded weight" is nickel-plated and polish finish which you can see an example of in the photo showing the internal weight on a black board. That is specifically the silver, while there is also a graphite option. A comparison photo will be posted when I have both of those options back in hand. At the moment, the silver is out with a streamer!
Yay finally!! Would love to see more proto sample photos though!
Super excited for this! Can you explain the difference between the standard weight and upgraded weight?
Great question. The standard weight configuration is a sandblasted brass with antioxidation coating which you can see on the white board, the "upgraded weight" is nickel-plated and polish finish which you can see an example of in the photo showing the internal weight on a black board. That is specifically the silver, while there is also a graphite option. A comparison photo will be posted when I have both of those options back in hand. At the moment, the silver is out with a streamer!
That is silver pvd in the picture? Interesting, it looks gold. Definitely would be interested in seeing the graphite option.
Yay finally!! Would love to see more proto sample photos though!
I assume the white case is with the silver pvd and black case has graphite, right?
What are the dimensions of this board? Could you post the layout/picture for hotswap pcb?
Here is a comparison of Silver PVD vs the Graphite PVDShow Image(https://imgur.com/9xFDq65.png)
Here is a comparison of Silver PVD vs the Graphite PVDShow Image(https://imgur.com/9xFDq65.png)
I think definitely silver pvd for me. Would you have more photos of the actual boards? Good to see the differences in the proto navy and the renders (?) shown in the IC. Marcia's stream of the navy one helped too. Specifically interested in see what the green actually looks like.
Please check out my Instagram! I will be posting many photos there of the actual colors.
https://www.instagram.com/abec13.mk/
Please check out my Instagram! I will be posting many photos there of the actual colors.
https://www.instagram.com/abec13.mk/
Yay will take a look! Are all the photos posted there so far renders or proto photos? Hopefully more photos come out before GB launch which is less than 2 days away!
haven't seen GB info from cn vendor, can I attend cannonkeys GB？or wait for the CN vendor
How many units in EU and when?
May you show a closer picture of the navy one?
Got me a blue with silver PVD! Thanks for doing this :) Recommendations for keycaps that will look great with these? I'm waiting on GMK Moomin (not sure if it'll look nice), but blue samurais will probably be safe hehe
On Wednesday I was thinking about purchasing a PFU Realforce R2 as my first mechanical keyboard and by Friday I was ordering Albec13's Gentoo instead :)
Initially attracted to the navy case (and indeed the key caps that it was matched with in the photographs), I finally settled on forest green with brass sides (photo below). I ordered both printed circuit boards. I'm comfortable with soldering, but I'm curious about the alternative. Discussions about soldered versus socket circuit boards appear to be fairly polarised, and I'm interested in making a video about the subject, using my Gentoo as the context.
I'd appreciate suggestions on key caps that might go well with the case. I gather that a manufacturer called GMK is well-regarded, although most of the designers who have contracted with GMK appear to be talking about delivery in 2023. The caps in the Gentoo prototype photo below, except for the spacebar (GMK Hammerhead?), are GMK Botanical, which is sold out, including the re-issue. I would like to have switches and key caps in hand when the keyboard arrives, which I hope will be before the end of 2022.
Cheers
New Computer: Mac Studio
New Keyboard Oct/Dec: Abec13's Gentoo (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=117249.0)
The keycaps on the board you pictured is GMK botanical, the spacebar is a TU3 spacebar from this link: https://www.originativeco.com/products/gmk-spacebars
While it is generally frowned upon by some, that keycap theme is offered by chinese(assumption) manufacturers in a few places it seems and would be an easy find googling for it.
I'm about to go semi crazy on keycaps for this ...
The photographs provide a rough idea of the case colours, but I'd like to get the Forest Green colour with more precision. Would it be possible to get a Pantone colour or similar? If it's handy, it would be nice to have a colour reference for the brass as well, but that's less important.
Thanks
Did gb orders hit MOQ? I'm about to go semi crazy on keycaps for this and just want to get the green light.
Unfortunately I don't have the green in hand anymore. The color of the case was roughly based on 5477C as a suggestion of what the factory should go for. I never really compared the pantone to the board itself after it was in hand because I had little expectation for them to hit the bull's eye. What's more important is that I like the green they gave me and that it is repeatable.
Everything is going to get made... Vendors are working on gathering their materials and submitting our orders soon. Thanks for your support on this one!
Got me a blue with silver PVD! Thanks for doing this :) Recommendations for keycaps that will look great with these? I'm waiting on GMK Moomin (not sure if it'll look nice), but blue samurais will probably be safe hehe
As I have it here, I really like GMK hammerhead dark
Everything is going to get made... Vendors are working on gathering their materials and submitting our orders soon. Thanks for your support on this one!
This is great to hear. Now that I've seen the Pantone, read your comment and had another look at the photographs that you made, I'm also satisfied that the Forest Green case is going to work nicely with Metropolis Midnight/Turnpike. Black, white or navy might be more "neutral", but that's not what I'm looking for.
It's good that I'm still happy with the case colour, because I had a remarkable exchange with Cannon Keys earlier today. In your position, I'd have a word with my organiser/reseller about how it's treating the customers for my product.
I thought that I'd give Cannon a heads up that I might want a change in case colour. Cannon not only said that it wouldn't consider that, but told me that my only alternative, if I was unhappy with the colour, was to cancel my order entirely and pay a 5% penalty, in my case $27 on a $537 order. It characterised the position that this would put me in as an "inconvenience".
In a perverse way, it's good that this happened after I made my order, because if I'd known that this is how Cannon is treating customers for your design I wouldn't have ordered Gentoo in the first place.
I'm attaching a screen capture of my exchange with Cannon because it defies common sense, and basic principles of customer relations, to the point that it's hard to believe that it took place:
In a subsequent e-mail, Cannon provided an "explanation" that, two business days after the group buy closed, makes no sense, and indeed makes for amusing reading in light of what your post above says about where the process is at. This isn't Cannon being unable to do make a colour change, it's Cannon refusing to do it, complete with a repetition of the assertion that for me this would be a mere "inconvenience":
I did some research on your earlier projects and liked what I saw. Consequently, I'm going to continue with my order, although $27 will be a small price to pay if the exchange that I had today proves to be indicative of how Cannon treats its designers' customers. They should read a post that you made some time ago about maintaining a sense of perspective. Indeed, I think that Cannon's principals could learn a few things from reading Danny Meyer's Setting the Table: The Transforming Power of Hospitality in Business (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0060742763/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1&pd_rd_i=0060742763&pd_rd_w=Lh98U&content-id=amzn1.sym.c201ea52-e52a-4b28-967b-9c2cae823bd5&pf_rd_p=c201ea52-e52a-4b28-967b-9c2cae823bd5&pf_rd_r=DX045NNY7CC41B471BB2&pd_rd_wg=SueeR&pd_rd_r=910f6d27-3380-440a-aa8c-e5f586314d35).
you had to check that box knowing what it means to join a group buy...
This is a Group Buy, and Group Buy terms and conditions apply. The estimated date of delivery is just that - an estimate. Delays and setbacks may occur. Upon purchase, you will be charged immediately. And by purchasing this item, you acknowledge everything stated above. There are no refunds or cancellations for this order. For more information, check out our FAQ.
It is very normal in GBs for vendors to refer questions to the GB starter, I don’t see anything wrong with that.
BTW where will updates be posted? Is there a Discord channel?
Very excited for this one :)
It is very normal in GBs for vendors to refer questions to the GB starter, I don’t see anything wrong with that.
BTW where will updates be posted? Is there a Discord channel?
Very excited for this one :)
Updates will be posted here, there is not a discord for this one. Sorry.
It is very normal in GBs for vendors to refer questions to the GB starter, I don’t see anything wrong with that.
BTW where will updates be posted? Is there a Discord channel?
Very excited for this one :)
Updates will be posted here, there is not a discord for this one. Sorry.
So what is the current update? :)
It is very normal in GBs for vendors to refer questions to the GB starter, I don’t see anything wrong with that.
BTW where will updates be posted? Is there a Discord channel?
Very excited for this one :)
Updates will be posted here, there is not a discord for this one. Sorry.
So what is the current update? :)
The orders have been submitted to manufacturers. The Q4 target is still the estimated delivery.
Any updates on this? Q4 still realistic?
Hi there and apologies for the delay.
QC'ing the boards and weights ended up taking us longer than expected and so we haven't shipped out your order yet. We should begin to fulfill and ship Gentoo orders early next week.
Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your patience.
-Harry
CannonKeys Customer Support Agent
jumbled thoughts in text form
jumbled thoughts in text form
this thread got more updates about your GB experience than the GB itself lmfao
jumbled thoughts in text form
this thread got more updates about your GB experience than the GB itself lmfao
There appears to be some interest in shipping and delivery of this keyboard. The thread has had 590 views in the last three days.
I've been on the edge of my seat...jumbled thoughts in text form
this thread got more updates about your GB experience than the GB itself lmfao
Dude, nobody cares about your shipping updates
Any way to sign up for text notifications for your delivery @redge?
I feel emotionally invested in this package now!!
(Attachment Link)Looks very nice. Green FTW!
(Attachment Link)
Looks very nice. Green FTW!
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
Does anyone know if there's a Gentoo build/review coming up on YouTube or Twitch? Channel?
Thanks
Excited for my keyboard to be delivered soon. Will any extra PCBs, plates, or weights be available for purchase?
In Windows, the keyboard doesn't go into DFU mode when holding Esc key...
Now owning the Gentoo and the Adelie, I feel like this board has been a step down in quality. The Adelie looks and feels like a product of true affection for the form factor. The fitment of the parts and the excellent attention to detail, the curvature matching the flat parts on the front and back. The rock solid feel of the board along with the mild amount of flex as you're typing, and the consistent sound of each keypress top to bottom, left to right. It's not perfect, no board is. The LEDs that indicate layers are just offset to the right angle that they shine directly through the caps and needle you in your peripheral. I turned them off. It was an expensive little board but I'm very happy with it.
I preface my comments about the Gentoo with this: I'm keeping the board. I paid for it and I'm going to enjoy it despite its flaws. I like 65% just as much as the other form factors in my collection and it's a pretty board, but just not as nice as the Adelie. The fitment of the parts is not as well-done as the Adelie. Maybe this was intended to prevent collision of parts? I don't know. But it doesn't have that "like a glove" look to it that other boards have achieved. Use an Iron165 (or others) as an example and you see how tight those tolerances are. With this board, the top and bottom pieces have a gap that almost looks like gasketing was intended to go in between them. As I type, my thumbs dip down and touch the curvature at the front of the board. It's almost a sharp border. It makes me think costs were cut with CNC time by not having as smooth of a curvature to the flat areas. Again with the Adelie it's pretty smooth, but not perfect. Sound consistency? Maybe by row but not by column. More hollow near the number row, more solid by the spacebar. I don't know what the solution is there, I used case foam to dampen the sound. Didn't seem to help that much. Flex? I used a PC plate which was very flexy, of course. Finally assembled there really isn't much flex because the PCB does not flex. It's too thick. Then there's the plate foam. I think it was an afterthought and thrown in the mix simply to make more money. As it was it prevented the stabilizers from returning properly and I had to make significant cuts. If it had been tested prior to starting the GB those problems would have immediately been found. Which sort of brings me back full circle over the entire thing. I don't think this board was as much of a labor of love as much as something that was likely pushed by Cannonkeys, to make money. I do not fault a company for wanting to make money off of products or services, but at the price point this board went for, far more attention to detail should have been done. Testing would have made all of these issues plainly evident. Maybe they were and the company that did the machining did a bad job and Cannonkeys just passed the buck along. Speaking of Cannonkeys, branding is far more evident on the PCB. So there's that? (I don't care about branding really). 65% is hot. I get it. It's hits the sweet spot for most people and the push for a business would be to take concept X and make it 65%.
Lastly, and this is not limited to the Gentoo alone, there's a bit of a disconnect lately between the hobbyist community and making solid build instructions. I don't know what it is but it's pure laziness not to. Even just taking 10 minutes to make bullet point instructions would be better than nothing. I might lay that in Cannonkeys' lap this time since it's "their" board.
Yes this is a hobby and I'm not trying to extract blood from a stone with my review of the board, just express that the board was a bit of a let down compared to the excellent job done during Gen1/Adelie.