Author Topic: Scoops vs. Bars vs. Nipples Discussion Thread (Read 40037 times)

Giorgio · « **Reply #50 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:36:01 »

Talk about quoting. Who are you talking to?

Quote from: azhdar on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:15:28

The thing is when you allow multiple layout:
-standard ANSI 1.25
- WKL ANSI
- 1800
- HHKB like
- 75%

you actually add customers because people can actually use the keycaps for their keyboard, and if they end up parting with it or putting it on another board with different layout.

I'm azerty only typist, do I ask for Azerty kits ? No because I know it's not doable. Inb4 only 2 keys.

ps: if you could quote like a regular person that would be more readable.

baldgye · « **Reply #51 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:37:49 »

This kid...

hwood34 · « **Reply #52 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:40:23 »

Why do you even put quotes on the bottom

Giorgio · « **Reply #53 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:43:52 »

Because cellphone :-)

Quote from: hwood34 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:40:23

Why do you even put quotes on the bottom

clacktalk · « **Reply #54 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:47:28 »

scoops. because cellphone :-]

hwood34 · « **Reply #55 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:47:36 »

Quote from: Giorgio on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:43:52

Because cellphone :-)

Quote from: hwood34 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:40:23
Why do you even put quotes on the bottom

But like, how? On tapatalk and just regular mobile browser it defaults to the top of the message

baldgye · « **Reply #56 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:49:04 »

Quote from: hwood34 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:47:36

Quote from: Giorgio on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:43:52

Because cellphone :-)

Quote from: hwood34 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:40:23
Why do you even put quotes on the bottom
But like, how? On tapatalk and just regular mobile browser it defaults to the top of the message

I use Safari and have no issue typing at the bottom of a quote and never had....

hwood34 · « **Reply #57 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:51:04 »

Quote from: baldgye on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:49:04

Quote from: hwood34 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:47:36
Quote from: Giorgio on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:43:52

Because cellphone :-)

Quote from: hwood34 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:40:23
Why do you even put quotes on the bottom
But like, how? On tapatalk and just regular mobile browser it defaults to the top of the message

I use Safari and have no issue typing at the bottom of a quote and never had....

I mean like the quote defaults to the top. I've never seen any circumstance where this isn't true

baldgye · « **Reply #58 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 03:01:01 »

Quote from: hwood34 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:51:04

Quote from: baldgye on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:49:04
Quote from: hwood34 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:47:36
Quote from: Giorgio on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:43:52

Because cellphone :-)

Quote from: hwood34 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:40:23
Why do you even put quotes on the bottom
But like, how? On tapatalk and just regular mobile browser it defaults to the top of the message

I use Safari and have no issue typing at the bottom of a quote and never had....
I mean like the quote defaults to the top. I've never seen any circumstance where this isn't true

idd, even on mobile when you quote someone, if you just tap in the reply box and start typing it automatically puts what ever you type under the quote. To put your message above what ever you quoted, you'd have to tap in the box and then make the cursor appear at the very start of the message box... which you can't really do very easily accidentally

Polymer · « **Reply #59 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 03:06:31 »

Quote from: nubbinator on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:03:16

Quote from: Giorgio on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:00:09
Because, in the keyboard world, nearly nobody likes nipples. They are without doubt annoying. I don't think that because we add an option, we should add all the possible options

Quote from: sethk_ on Sun, 16 August 2015, 19:04:28
If we are including bars, then shouldn't we also include nipples to not discrimate?

Scoops>Gateron Scoop/Bar>bars>nipples>apples nipple keys on d and k

Why not? Isn't your argument for bars that since a minority like bars and cannot get adjusted to scoops that bars should be added as an alternative option in sets as well? Following that, we should include nibs as an option as well since some people like them.

In the end, it's up to whoever is running to buy to decide. Personally, I dislike bars and prefer scoops, but bars instead of scoops will not keep me from the set. The main thing that will keep me from a set is R5 modifiers on the bottom row. That is intolerable.

I think the number of people used to bars far exceeds that of nipples...but if it was higher than I'd agree. Personally I'd be fine with nipples rather than bars as well. For me it is about the shape of the key (although I readily recognize that might not be the case for everyone). Bars just seems like the most reasonable addition seeing as it is on a majority of other keysets so most people are used to them.

What I don't understand is when people say they dislike bars..what are you doing for all of your keysets that have bars? So Topre for example, you don't have an option unless you use MX/Topre sliders (which is relatively new) or took blanks from another set and replaced those keys. So are you using sets you dislike? If I actually disliked something I wouldn't use it (I wouldn't buy it either). If I PREFERRED one over the other that is something different.

I think there is a significant difference between the two...For example, Sifo said he doesn't get GMK because he dislikes scoops....whereas I prefer bars and will still get GMK....

I do agree that it is up to the GB organizer though...Ultimately they can decide whatever it is they want...but it seems like there are actually more users on GH that prefer bars than some people probably thought. I doubt even half this board has GMK keys or has ever tried them, not the very active users but half of the normal members...so scoops isn't even an option for them to prefer.

rowdy · « **Reply #60 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 05:11:12 »

Bars. Because China.

Oobly · « **Reply #61 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 05:27:43 »

Bars are easier to find when typing fast and they're less obtrusive than nipples (they're not in the high pressure area of the fingertip like central nipples are, but they are in the contact zone), so they don't break the flow.

So bars for functional reasons, but I love the "static" feel of scoops, especially spherical scoops.

Air tree · « **Reply #62 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 06:06:51 »

I'll give my opinion on the situation once I get my JT set or my cherry board.

So far, the bars on all the boards I've used has been fine with me. I'm sure scoops will be just fine in the long run, and maybe I'll prefer them.

I haven't felt any nips on GH yet. Anyone want to volunteer some nips for scientific reasons? Cheese being included would be quite nice.

baldgye · « **Reply #63 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 06:10:37 »

Quote from: Air tree on Mon, 17 August 2015, 06:06:51

I haven't felt any nips on GH yet.

maybe I can be of some assistance ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Karura · « **Reply #64 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 07:07:15 »

Would you guys please stop derailing the thread with Giorgio's weird Tapatalk quoting habits?

Make your own thread about it pls, ty.

baldgye · « **Reply #65 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 07:07:55 »

sorry forum mod

Quote from: Karura on Mon, 17 August 2015, 07:07:15

Would you guys please stop derailing the thread with Giorgio's weird Tapatalk quoting habits?

Make your own thread about it pls, ty.

osi · « **Reply #66 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 07:39:56 »

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #67 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 08:09:56 »

Quote from: meow a cat on Sun, 16 August 2015, 15:27:29

I like the Cherry style scoops, but SP's scooped DSA isn't very good. The scoop isn't pronounced enough for me.

I do like bars as well (more or less equal to scoops for me, but I'd take bars over SP scoops for sure), and I've really been enjoying the Gateron caps with both scoop and bar. Best of both worlds!

My issue with Cherry/GMK scoops is that they're too subtle for my liking. I've gotten used to them because I like Cherry/GMK caps but I prefer the SA deep dish scoop feeling. Super deep and apparent.

I've always thought that scoop + bar or scoop + dot would be a good compromise. I'm very interested in trying Gateron caps now that I've learned that they've got scoop + bar.

Lurch · « **Reply #68 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 08:47:35 »

Quote from: Nai_Calus on Sun, 16 August 2015, 21:01:58

You kids and your peasant MX homing indicators.

My Model F doesn't have homing keys. I don't need them.

jerue · « **Reply #69 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 18:09:59 »

I want an entire DSA keyset to be nothing but scoops. They're so lovely. I imagine the feeling would be similar for SA (don't have SA scoops). It would probably feel like my Selectric I, which is so brilliantly amazing to type on.

So, prefer scoops, or just bars. No mixing. Or just go without anything. No nips plz and thx

Firebolt1914 · « **Reply #70 on:** Mon, 17 August 2015, 21:07:50 »

I've yet to try anything other than bars or nipples, however out of the two I prefer bars as they're less obstructive in my opinion.

taylordcraig · « **Reply #71 on:** Tue, 18 August 2015, 06:42:23 »

Scoops > Bars > Nips.
Jerue and Vesper have good ideas.
Lurch and Calus are on the money.

sethk_ · « **Reply #72 on:** Tue, 18 August 2015, 10:01:38 »

I am more of an ass man than a nip man

romevi · « **Reply #73 on:** Tue, 18 August 2015, 10:41:49 »

Quote from: Zeal on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:29:57

Scoops + nipples obviously best option /thread

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That seems to be a very good combo. I'm used to bars and that's what I prefer, but I dig the option of having scoops if there are nips in them. I have a keyset with scoops only and I have a slightly harder time finding home row than I do with just bars.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #74 on:** Tue, 18 August 2015, 11:50:18 »

For Cherry profile my order of preference is...
deep dish, center dots (like on the numpad 5 on F and J too which is found on Desko and a couple other model), nothing (just like all the other keys in that row which seems to be very common on most of the Cherry typewriters and some older mid 80's keyboards), deep dish and dots (like on most BSP sets), big bars (like on more recent Cherry PBT, or GMK new), deep dish and bars (Gateron sets), tiny bars (Vortex/KBC).
For every other profile I don't give a **** because I won't use it.

As far as GMK, since they have bars now those probably can be included both as long as there are not loads of other additional keys... as every keys do add up to the final cost and it seems once the sets go over $120 it's much harder for people to get behind it. GMK won't do center dots on F J anymore though... I kept trying to get them and they refuse due to something about the way the mold for that key are set up makes too much extra work.

njbair · « **Reply #75 on:** Tue, 18 August 2015, 12:27:29 »

Quote from: sethk_ on Tue, 18 August 2015, 10:01:38

I am more of an ass man than a nip man

...and there it is.

I'm impressed, GeekHack, we made it to post #72 before the first nipple joke!

EDIT: I just re-read page 1. We actually only made it to #2.

nubbinator · « **Reply #76 on:** Tue, 18 August 2015, 13:11:03 »

Quote from: njbair on Tue, 18 August 2015, 12:27:29

Quote from: sethk_ on Tue, 18 August 2015, 10:01:38
I am more of an ass man than a nip man

...and there it is.

I'm impressed, GeekHack, we made it to post #72 before the first nipple joke!

EDIT: I just re-read page 1. We actually only made it to #2.

Yeah...I was going to say we breached that a long time ago.

Data · « **Reply #77 on:** Tue, 18 August 2015, 13:20:01 »

If I had to order them:
1. Bars
2. Nipples
3. Scoops

But I like scoops almost as much as I like bars, so take that as you may.

sdothum · « **Reply #78 on:** Tue, 18 August 2015, 22:59:28 »

Till recently, bars -- because that's all recent memory allows. Have a vague recollection of nipples.

But after getting my sets of Gateron Cherry blanks in a recent GB, I discovered I prefer no physically differentiated home keys at all. Instead, I use (in my two tone layout) the modifier key color for the home keys for a quick visual cue for that initial hand placement.

I much prefer the full fat Cherry keycap feel across the keyboard for all my fingers. It just feels better, probably even more so for index fingers :-)

swimmingbird · « **Reply #79 on:** Wed, 19 August 2015, 00:09:18 »

#scooplife

Den441 · « **Reply #80 on:** Wed, 19 August 2015, 01:05:47 »

I like scoops because of their history. For example, they were used on the original Triumph-Adler and Olivette G80/81s which are my personal favorites.

DanielT · « **Reply #81 on:** Wed, 19 August 2015, 07:08:23 »

In end effect I don't really care, I don't even use homing keys in my style of typing. I like scoops better because they give a clean look to the board. But if I like the profile of the caps, the quality and colorway I wouldn't care less if they are bars/scoops/nipples.
As nubs said, what I really hate are Cherry R5 bottom row. I hate high profile caps, that's why I can't type on SA, I know it's the big hype now but I just can't use them.

keshley · « **Reply #82 on:** Wed, 19 August 2015, 07:24:18 »

I think bars are more intuitive. Never used nipples that I can recall. I like the feel of scoops best over all.

Polymer · « **Reply #83 on:** Wed, 19 August 2015, 09:54:06 »

Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 18 August 2015, 11:50:18

As far as GMK, since they have bars now those probably can be included both as long as there are not loads of other additional keys... as every keys do add up to the final cost and it seems once the sets go over $120 it's much harder for people to get behind it. GMK won't do center dots on F J anymore though... I kept trying to get them and they refuse due to something about the way the mold for that key are set up makes too much extra work.

At least it is a common option...and looks like some people prefer bars...more than some might've thought...but ultimately whatever the GB leader decides is what it is going to be.

I think the main point is, it is as valid an option as many of the others out there if not more so. More so than an extra esc key in a different color, for example....but not more than say, ISO or WKL support...

Liar · « **Reply #84 on:** Wed, 19 August 2015, 23:55:44 »

Ever since I got the nips on my Galaxy Class, I can't think of going back. I tried using the scooped key that came on the keypad (I also ordered an additional one), but the scoops were just not pronounced enough. So I use the scoop keys for my homerow pinkies (A for Jump for the win)

I am interested in trying scoops on a taller profile though, I'm pretty much down for anything

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

KHAANNN · « **Reply #85 on:** Fri, 21 August 2015, 10:15:25 »

azhdar · « **Reply #86 on:** Fri, 21 August 2015, 10:17:51 »

Quote from: KHAANNN on Fri, 21 August 2015, 10:15:25

flat

no more bars?

KHAANNN · « **Reply #87 on:** Fri, 21 August 2015, 12:09:43 »

Quote from: azhdar on Fri, 21 August 2015, 10:17:51

Quote from: KHAANNN on Fri, 21 August 2015, 10:15:25
flat

no more bars?

maybe minibars

digi · « **Reply #88 on:** Fri, 21 August 2015, 12:10:50 »

scoops or death.

Polymer · « **Reply #89 on:** Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:11:07 »

Quote from: digi on Fri, 21 August 2015, 12:10:50

scoops or death.

Is that what you got on your realforce?

Bomble · « **Reply #90 on:** Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:13:03 »

Quote from: Polymer on Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:11:07

Quote from: digi on Fri, 21 August 2015, 12:10:50
scoops or death.

Is that what you got on your realforce?

God damn do you know how to let something go?

Polymer · « **Reply #91 on:** Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:51:26 »

What is there to let go of?

I'm just curious how people make extreme statements yet their own usage is counter to that.

I'm sure some people have swapped sliders but given that is a recent thing.

I actually don't mind scoops..I just prefer bars..but the attitude by some is no one likes bars...and that's been proven false...

Bomble · « **Reply #92 on:** Sat, 22 August 2015, 01:02:25 »

Quote from: Polymer on Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:51:26

What is there to let go of?

I'm just curious how people make extreme statements yet their own usage is counter to that.

I'm sure some people have swapped sliders but given that is a recent thing.

I actually don't mind scoops..I just prefer bars..but the attitude by some is no one likes bars...and that's been proven false...

I'm not going to bother arguing but all I've seen you post is pointed statements towards Topre/realforce keyboards. Chill man.

Polymer · « **Reply #93 on:** Sat, 22 August 2015, 01:25:20 »

Quote from: Bomble on Sat, 22 August 2015, 01:02:25

Quote from: Polymer on Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:51:26
What is there to let go of?

I'm just curious how people make extreme statements yet their own usage is counter to that.

I'm sure some people have swapped sliders but given that is a recent thing.

I actually don't mind scoops..I just prefer bars..but the attitude by some is no one likes bars...and that's been proven false...

I'm not going to bother arguing but all I've seen you post is pointed statements towards Topre/realforce keyboards. Chill man.

What do you mean? I love Topre boards...and have said so numerous times. My main boards are Topre and use Cherry for gaming..

The reason I reference Topre boards is all of the keycaps for Topre boards have bars....So when Topre users say Scoops or nothing, it just seems out of place.

Bomble · « **Reply #94 on:** Sat, 22 August 2015, 01:36:53 »

Quote from: Polymer on Sat, 22 August 2015, 01:25:20

Quote from: Bomble on Sat, 22 August 2015, 01:02:25
Quote from: Polymer on Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:51:26
What is there to let go of?

I'm just curious how people make extreme statements yet their own usage is counter to that.

I'm sure some people have swapped sliders but given that is a recent thing.

I actually don't mind scoops..I just prefer bars..but the attitude by some is no one likes bars...and that's been proven false...

I'm not going to bother arguing but all I've seen you post is pointed statements towards Topre/realforce keyboards. Chill man.

What do you mean? I love Topre boards...and have said so numerous times. My main boards are Topre and use Cherry for gaming..

The reason I reference Topre boards is all of the keycaps for Topre boards have bars....So when Topre users say Scoops or nothing, it just seems out of place.

Hm, I guess I thought you were someone else then. Not sure why, sorry man

romevi · « **Reply #95 on:** Sat, 22 August 2015, 02:03:23 »

Quote from: Bomble on Sat, 22 August 2015, 01:36:53

Quote from: Polymer on Sat, 22 August 2015, 01:25:20
Quote from: Bomble on Sat, 22 August 2015, 01:02:25
Quote from: Polymer on Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:51:26
What is there to let go of?

I'm just curious how people make extreme statements yet their own usage is counter to that.

I'm sure some people have swapped sliders but given that is a recent thing.

I actually don't mind scoops..I just prefer bars..but the attitude by some is no one likes bars...and that's been proven false...

I'm not going to bother arguing but all I've seen you post is pointed statements towards Topre/realforce keyboards. Chill man.

What do you mean? I love Topre boards...and have said so numerous times. My main boards are Topre and use Cherry for gaming..

The reason I reference Topre boards is all of the keycaps for Topre boards have bars....So when Topre users say Scoops or nothing, it just seems out of place.

Hm, I guess I thought you were someone else then. Not sure why, sorry man

I was getting confused by your posts too. I didn't think any of Polymer's posts were offensive!

Bomble · « **Reply #96 on:** Sat, 22 August 2015, 02:19:20 »

Quote from: romevi on Sat, 22 August 2015, 02:03:23

Quote from: Bomble on Sat, 22 August 2015, 01:36:53
Quote from: Polymer on Sat, 22 August 2015, 01:25:20
Quote from: Bomble on Sat, 22 August 2015, 01:02:25
Quote from: Polymer on Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:51:26
What is there to let go of?

I'm just curious how people make extreme statements yet their own usage is counter to that.

I'm sure some people have swapped sliders but given that is a recent thing.

I actually don't mind scoops..I just prefer bars..but the attitude by some is no one likes bars...and that's been proven false...

I'm not going to bother arguing but all I've seen you post is pointed statements towards Topre/realforce keyboards. Chill man.

What do you mean? I love Topre boards...and have said so numerous times. My main boards are Topre and use Cherry for gaming..

The reason I reference Topre boards is all of the keycaps for Topre boards have bars....So when Topre users say Scoops or nothing, it just seems out of place.

Hm, I guess I thought you were someone else then. Not sure why, sorry man
I was getting confused by your posts too. I didn't think any of Polymer's posts were offensive!

I swear his name rung a bell though... Was there another thread that he was in where someone else was being irrational in relation to topre/reakforce?

Polymer · « **Reply #97 on:** Sat, 22 August 2015, 06:00:18 »

Yeah that was Cheebs...but I'm the one that likes Topre

.

Bomble · « **Reply #98 on:** Sun, 23 August 2015, 00:01:28 »

Quote from: Polymer on Sat, 22 August 2015, 06:00:18

Yeah that was Cheebs...but I'm the one that likes Topre .

Ahh right, I remember now. Again, really sorry about the mix up man!

Hyde · « **Reply #99 on:** Sun, 23 August 2015, 15:12:50 »

I tried scoop, too subtle for me to nice. Haven't get to try nipple yet.

So bar for me. And I'm pretty sure 99% of the keyboards use bar for a reason.

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Author Topic: Scoops vs. Bars vs. Nipples Discussion Thread (Read 40037 times)