Post by: Pwner on Wed, 28 June 2017, 08:10:07
Full plate kit: https://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders/products/gb-xeno-75-custom-keyboard-kit-full-plate (https://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders/products/gb-xeno-75-custom-keyboard-kit-full-plate)
Half plate kit: https://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders/products/gb-xeno-75-custom-keyboard-kit-half-plate (https://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders/products/gb-xeno-75-custom-keyboard-kit-half-plate)
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This board came about while I was messing around with ideas on how I could fix the 1 thing I don't like about the 75% layout, the F-row. I've been posting this on my Instagram for the last week or 2 and people seem to like it so that's why I'm bringing it here.
Anyways, on to the important bits:
Renders:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1730/41683780194_6524dce8b8_o.png) (https://flic.kr/p/26vsgBq)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/897/40594094340_90382a9262_o.png) (https://flic.kr/p/24RakYh)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1754/42475062972_5fe244d4d2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27HnNpW)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/839/41506169230_4204110bdc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26eKY4q)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1744/42475063372_464661ca25_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27HnNwQ)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1737/27656113307_87cb362eef_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/J8SNXM)
Layouts:
(https://i.imgur.com/kb8Z10m.png)
Specs:
7-degree angle
Colors: TBA
PVD Brass & Partial Poly plate options
PVD Brass Weight
QMK PCB by Wilba
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Xenopad:
ON HOLD
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FAQ's:
GB?
I have a vendor lined up, this will happen, it's just a matter of when that I am not sure of yet. I work a ton of RL hours, but I am working on this as fast as possible.
Matching numpad?
I would like to, I am looking at the possibility although no guarantees.
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As always, feedback greatly appreciated! Anything is up for discussion.
Post by: rioc on Wed, 28 June 2017, 08:12:33
Oh. Oooh... Very interested! :eek:
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Post by: Jae-3soteric on Wed, 28 June 2017, 08:19:23
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Post by: kmba on Wed, 28 June 2017, 08:46:26
Post by: laughatpain on Wed, 28 June 2017, 09:21:37
Horocrux 75% horocrux and triangles and harry pooter or something
Delta 75
Tri 75
Please add wkl blocker so I won't be a sad panda.
Post by: rioc on Wed, 28 June 2017, 09:25:25
Or 3rd Eye
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Post by: sony on Wed, 28 June 2017, 09:26:34
👀75
👀
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 28 June 2017, 09:33:08
Please add wkl blocker so I won't be a sad panda.
(http://i.imgur.com/UdGCCG0.gif)
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 28 June 2017, 10:08:26
Post by: futurecrime on Wed, 28 June 2017, 10:51:15
Fun75 - because like, fun could be short for function, but also means like, fun.
Fn75
Func75
NY75 - Because you're from NY
Snap75 - Because Snapping Turtle is the official reptile of NY (everyone knows that).
Coyote - Because there's coyotes in NY(!)
Triangle - This would be weird huh, but then Duck has a board called Octagon so...
TriHard - It's part triangle, part John McClane - NYC Cop.
Conspirator - On the Illuminati tip.
President - Because all Presidents are illuminati.
Post by: kmba on Wed, 28 June 2017, 11:35:14
Post by: rioc on Wed, 28 June 2017, 11:59:43
The Seven Five.Seven out of five, would type again.
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Post by: typischt on Wed, 28 June 2017, 12:24:34
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Post by: Pwner on Thu, 29 June 2017, 08:53:05
Plate is about done finally:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4016/34768835144_883996047d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UYpnmU)
Mount tabs still need a touch more work but I'm done for now, head is going to explode.
Post by: rioc on Thu, 29 June 2017, 09:09:39
Thanks for the name suggestions, some good ones so far. I tossed EYE75 on to the plate but I'm not sure if I like that either. I'll probably end up using someones suggestion, I hate the name game. :thumb:
Plate is about done finally:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4016/34768835144_883996047d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UYpnmU)
Mount tabs still need a touch more work but I'm done for now, head is going to explode.
can the plate be changed to support 1.25, 1.25, 1.25, 1.25, 1 U to the right of the spacebar?
Or is this design final?
Post by: Pwner on Thu, 29 June 2017, 09:15:12
Thanks for the name suggestions, some good ones so far. I tossed EYE75 on to the plate but I'm not sure if I like that either. I'll probably end up using someones suggestion, I hate the name game. :thumb:
Plate is about done finally:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4016/34768835144_883996047d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UYpnmU)
Mount tabs still need a touch more work but I'm done for now, head is going to explode.
can the plate be changed to support 1.25, 1.25, 1.25, 1.25, 1 U to the right of the spacebar?
Or is this design final?
If the blocker wasn't there that would be possible. The design isn't final, but I want to keep that as a part of it.
Post by: Auk on Thu, 29 June 2017, 09:48:28
- 75% looked uncomfortably cluttered from the first time I saw it, I immediately thought something like this to just add a little space here and there would be much better. This is better than I imagined and I would love to see some renders with keys.
- Have you considered a winkeyless version? To my eye, winkeyless almost always look more attractive and balanced.
- illuminati75 may have been a name chosen for fun, but I don't see why you can't just go with it if nothing else feels right.
- Can you adapt your plate to allow split spacebar layouts like those available on BananaSplit60 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89896.0)?
- would a HHKB bottom row be viable as an option? would anyone want such a thing in 75%?
Post by: rioc on Thu, 29 June 2017, 10:18:25
Thanks for the name suggestions, some good ones so far. I tossed EYE75 on to the plate but I'm not sure if I like that either. I'll probably end up using someones suggestion, I hate the name game. :thumb:
Plate is about done finally:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4016/34768835144_883996047d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UYpnmU)
Mount tabs still need a touch more work but I'm done for now, head is going to explode.
can the plate be changed to support 1.25, 1.25, 1.25, 1.25, 1 U to the right of the spacebar?
Or is this design final?
If the blocker wasn't there that would be possible. The design isn't final, but I want to keep that as a part of it.
oh damn, right, forgot about that blocker... :))
in that case carry on :) still looking to be in on this :D
Post by: odd on Thu, 29 June 2017, 10:50:19
Post by: Pwner on Thu, 29 June 2017, 10:55:35
I like it. Love the aluminum spacer idea in different colors. Definitely think you should offer two too cases with the spacer and without.
I probably wouldn't do 2 cases, I'm trying to work up a nice way to integrate it for those that would want it as well as an alternative for those that don't. It most likely won't be how it is in the renders, I'd much prefer a more cleaner, integrated look like the Duck boards.
I'm not totally sold on fixed angle keyboards (often I prefer 0° for gaming) so although I perhaps won't join a GB for sure on this, I'd like to share my comments because it's a really strong design. Great job!
- 75% looked uncomfortably cluttered from the first time I saw it, I immediately thought something like this to just add a little space here and there would be much better. This is better than I imagined and I would love to see some renders with keys.
- Have you considered a winkeyless version? To my eye, winkeyless almost always look more attractive and balanced.
- illuminati75 may have been a name chosen for fun, but I don't see why you can't just go with it if nothing else feels right.
- Can you adapt your plate to allow split spacebar layouts like those available on BananaSplit60 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89896.0)?
- would a HHKB bottom row be viable as an option? would anyone want such a thing in 75%?
Winkeyless probably won't happen. I like it myself, just not in this case. Same with hhkb layout.
Split spacebar will most likely be added back in.
Post by: Theconejo on Fri, 30 June 2017, 07:45:13
Post by: KaosJ on Fri, 30 June 2017, 07:51:50
Post by: hervuli on Fri, 30 June 2017, 08:17:21
Post by: TelFiRE on Fri, 30 June 2017, 15:38:36
Longshot but annnny chance at all of RGB per key as well as underglow?
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Post by: Pwner on Fri, 30 June 2017, 16:15:50
Lrandomly came across this looking at Instagram, very interesting. Is the illuminati weight final?
No.. I think I have a name/theme that I like figured out. New renders later.
This looks really really good! Nice work!!
Longshot but annnny chance at all of RGB per key as well as underglow?
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I don't know about per key, but underglow will happen.
That weight is awesome. Don't really like the position of the F-ROW, maybe is better to position that row exactly like other 75% keyboards (each key next to the other)
That was my goal, I don't really care for the f-row normally. Each key is still next to each other, just slightly staggered.
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 30 June 2017, 18:30:28
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Post by: Pwner on Sat, 01 July 2017, 22:12:00
You got the name right on the first try; I'd stick with illuminati75. I love the idea of the weight being a triangle with an all seeing eye on it.
I don't know, I'm back and forth on it. I've thought about just running with the design from the front and calling it the ION75. I think it's a bit more 'sleeker' design and name.
Changing the weight up to something like this:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4279/35617396806_de2bf9ca07_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wgotbo)
Can you make a render with keycaps?
I can but it is going to be a bit. So many things I'm working on, so little time. :(
Post by: Pwner on Sat, 01 July 2017, 22:14:16
Perhaps you could consider breaking the 12-key F block into 3 blocks of 4 keys more like a traditional keyboard? There's plenty of space to do so and I think it would make the board look a bit more balanced instead of the large gap on the upper right hand side like it is at the moment
I played with that and the winkeyless idea but I just don't dig it as much as it currently is.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4236/35621762106_8672eb6191_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WgLQQb)
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Post by: Auk on Wed, 05 July 2017, 09:32:40
I played with that and the winkeyless idea but I just don't dig it as much as it currently is.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4236/35621762106_8672eb6191_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WgLQQb)
I like this, but I imagined it having the winkeyless blockers both sides, so you'd end up with three blockers on the bottom row. For sure you have to do the version you want anyway, so if that's winkeys only without blockers then so be it. Only do a winkeyless if you can handle the extra logistics of offering multiple variations and colors.
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 05 July 2017, 14:47:54
I played with that and the winkeyless idea but I just don't dig it as much as it currently is.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4236/35621762106_8672eb6191_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WgLQQb)
I like this, but I imagined it having the winkeyless blockers both sides, so you'd end up with three blockers on the bottom row. For sure you have to do the version you want anyway, so if that's winkeys only without blockers then so be it. Only do a winkeyless if you can handle the extra logistics of offering multiple variations and colors.
If I put blockers on both sides, the bottom row wouldn't be possible.
(http://i.imgur.com/7FmoEaT.png)
Post by: Auk on Wed, 05 July 2017, 15:13:04
If I put blockers on both sides, the bottom row wouldn't be possible.
Fair point, well made :thumb:
I didn't really think about the overall length, I just had some vague mental image of a split spacebar type arrangement with gaps either side and to the cursor. Of course that doesn't make sense here.
So, what if the right hand side blocker is made 1u width to give visual balance against the left side? It would be unconventional, but given how appealing some of the other unconventional split spacebar keyboards it might have potential. I need to look again at BananaSplit60 and properly compare those possible options against this.
Post by: Asbrodeus on Thu, 06 July 2017, 06:15:24
This is the only sort of symmetrical way I could think of. Its different.
(http://i.imgur.com/4GhOqRW.png)
Moving it over would mean different size keys on the sides of the space bar. Feel pretty meh about it though.
(http://i.imgur.com/xkMJlox.png)
I think the original design is probably best.
Post by: Auk on Thu, 06 July 2017, 07:03:25
...I think the original design is probably best.
Which tools are you using to create these layout mockups? KLE or just an image editor? I was going to play with the layouts at some point, and also a variation with 0.5u blocker on the left side to see if it plays better with the rendered top plate in this iteration:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4236/35621762106_8672eb6191_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WgLQQb)
I'm more interested in this idea if the variations of the split spacebar layout are supported, but as above - Pwner's original should of course be the default, any other options offered are entirely at his discretion.
Post by: Asbrodeus on Thu, 06 July 2017, 07:11:44
Which tools are you using to create these layout mockups? KLE or just an image editor? I was going to play with the layouts at some point, and also a variation with 0.5u blocker on the left side to see if it plays better with the rendered top plate in this iteration:
Just using KLE. Theres a 75% layout already under defaults (keycool 84) so it takes a few seconds to edit.
Post by: R4WBIT on Thu, 06 July 2017, 08:03:20
The only thing missing, would be a blocker for the bottom left (like a HHKB).
Would that be possible to fix?
A 1.5 blocker over the left ctrl.
Post by: helpslipknotfranklins on Thu, 06 July 2017, 10:58:53
I prefer the ion design and I am not a fan of winkeyless.
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 08 July 2017, 08:43:35
Post by: Petch on Sat, 08 July 2017, 12:23:03
(http://i.imgur.com/VvBmus6.png)
Also this is SO underrated. Makes it infinitely easier to pick up these heavy keyboards.
Edit: although, the other renders make it look like the back is sloping inwards, rather than the sides? Which is it? I'd love for the sides to slope inwards towards the bottom as I pick keyboards up from the sides
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 08 July 2017, 14:52:03
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 08 July 2017, 15:09:45
Illuminati weight or bust.
Agreed :))
Post by: Quakemz on Sun, 09 July 2017, 03:36:50
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 19 July 2017, 21:54:25
Can you make a render with keycaps?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4297/35902879521_ffb66b4a23_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WGBDfa)
Post by: cynviloq on Thu, 20 July 2017, 00:55:09
Can you make a render with keycaps?
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4297/35902879521_ffb66b4a23_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WGBDfa)
I'm sold...
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 20 July 2017, 01:38:27
Oh, and when I was flipping through the Flickr album, I noticed this amazing one:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/raging_pwner/35165624511/in/photostream/
holy smokes, that is gorgeous!
Post by: whentheclouds on Thu, 20 July 2017, 01:46:00
Post by: kamilakas on Thu, 20 July 2017, 02:54:02
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Post by: Pwner on Thu, 20 July 2017, 02:57:59
Oh, and when I was flipping through the Flickr album, I noticed this amazing one:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/raging_pwner/35165624511/in/photostream/
holy smokes, that is gorgeous!
(http://i.imgur.com/dVSj25j.jpg)
Post by: Petch on Thu, 20 July 2017, 05:55:35
Post by: Pwner on Thu, 20 July 2017, 06:22:14
Can you confirm the shape (see my post on the other page, hard to tell from the early renders) and if the weight will have the illuminati thing or not (hopefully not)
Oh sorry I missed that. It's been changed to a more 'traditional' cutout.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4314/36042976685_bbba896960_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WUZFfv)
It's closer to this at this point now, that one was slightly older but that white case is too hot not to show off.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4301/35908840021_5efd13b6ca_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WH9c6p)
(Ignore the diffuser, that was a failed test.)
It's still being tweaked with some expert guidance, but you get the idea. As for the weight, that's still undecided. I'm more focused on the core of the case. The weight will be figured out shortly.
Post by: Petch on Thu, 20 July 2017, 06:59:52
I'm guessing White is powder coated, and the other colours are anodized?
Finally, will the plate support switch top removal?
Super interested though, I'm in love with the indicator lights and arrow spacer
Post by: ihalatch on Thu, 20 July 2017, 07:11:46
Show ImageCan you confirm the shape (see my post on the other page, hard to tell from the early renders) and if the weight will have the illuminati thing or not (hopefully not)
Oh sorry I missed that. It's been changed to a more 'traditional' cutout.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4314/36042976685_bbba896960_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WUZFfv)
It's closer to this at this point now, that one was slightly older but that white case is too hot not to show off.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4301/35908840021_5efd13b6ca_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WH9c6p)
(Ignore the diffuser, that was a failed test.)
It's still being tweaked with some expert guidance, but you get the idea. As for the weight, that's still undecided. I'm more focused on the core of the case. The weight will be figured out shortly.
Looks great. I'm really interested in the more 'traditional' cutout. I'm in for one.
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 20 July 2017, 09:04:48
Post by: Techlet on Thu, 20 July 2017, 20:21:29
Post by: Pwner on Thu, 20 July 2017, 23:59:08
Ah cool. Are there's going to be through-holes for the underglow in those cutouts, like Duck boards? If so, I'd personally like to see a long 'bar' rather than 2 holes
I'm guessing White is powder coated, and the other colours are anodized?
Finally, will the plate support switch top removal?
Super interested though, I'm in love with the indicator lights and arrow spacer
I'm not sure yet, still not 100% set on the diffuser arrangement.
Either powder coat or mao. Some way or another I really want to do white.
Debating on that, I might.
Post by: rioc on Fri, 21 July 2017, 01:11:34
Ah cool. Are there's going to be through-holes for the underglow in those cutouts, like Duck boards? If so, I'd personally like to see a long 'bar' rather than 2 holes
I'm guessing White is powder coated, and the other colours are anodized?
Finally, will the plate support switch top removal?
Super interested though, I'm in love with the indicator lights and arrow spacer
I'm not sure yet, still not 100% set on the diffuser arrangement.
Either powder coat or mao. Some way or another I really want to do white.
Debating on that, I might.
I'm all for Plasma electrolytic oxidation, aka MAO !!! :)
Post by: Petch on Fri, 21 July 2017, 04:44:12
Ah cool. Are there's going to be through-holes for the underglow in those cutouts, like Duck boards? If so, I'd personally like to see a long 'bar' rather than 2 holes
I'm guessing White is powder coated, and the other colours are anodized?
Finally, will the plate support switch top removal?
Super interested though, I'm in love with the indicator lights and arrow spacer
I'm not sure yet, still not 100% set on the diffuser arrangement.
Either powder coat or mao. Some way or another I really want to do white.
Debating on that, I might.
I'm all for Plasma electrolytic oxidation, aka MAO !!! :)
I heard this gives an almost porcelain effect? That would be something I'm interested in, as I'm not a fan of powder-coat (it always seems a bit cheap other than some of the vintage stuff)
Post by: rioc on Fri, 21 July 2017, 04:56:55
Ah cool. Are there's going to be through-holes for the underglow in those cutouts, like Duck boards? If so, I'd personally like to see a long 'bar' rather than 2 holes
I'm guessing White is powder coated, and the other colours are anodized?
Finally, will the plate support switch top removal?
Super interested though, I'm in love with the indicator lights and arrow spacer
I'm not sure yet, still not 100% set on the diffuser arrangement.
Either powder coat or mao. Some way or another I really want to do white.
Debating on that, I might.
I'm all for Plasma electrolytic oxidation, aka MAO !!! :)
I heard this gives an almost porcelain effect? That would be something I'm interested in, as I'm not a fan of powder-coat (it always seems a bit cheap other than some of the vintage stuff)
yeah, pretty much...
this is what the ceramic white skog looks like:
(https://storage.googleapis.com/keyclack-146908.appspot.com/images/skogTKL/skogTKL_8.jpg)
(same procedure. couldn't find a bigger pic though, won't get my EU edition until end of september or so)
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 21 July 2017, 05:27:11
Here is my take a few months ago - I use 0.25u blockers, and have a key next to the corner Delete key for Insert or PrintScreen:
(http://i.imgur.com/zLFIYSu.png)
Post by: Petch on Fri, 21 July 2017, 05:47:50
esc||f1 f2 f3 f4||f5 f6 f7 f8||f9 f10 f11 f12| .'. |Del
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 21 July 2017, 05:58:04
I feel some blockers on the fkeys would be really nice, as long as enough room is left for the LEDs
esc||f1 f2 f3 f4||f5 f6 f7 f8||f9 f10 f11 f12| .'. |Del
The .'. LED for numlock, scrolllock, and caplock does not need the whole space, and 0.5u can be enough - see Duck Viper's design.
What is more RGB colors of these LEDs at .'. will look nice, but if that is for numlock, scrolllock, and caplock - then we may rarely see them lit up.
If there is that much space, like that right now at 1.5u, there can also be a layer indicator e.g. ...... below or above .'.
Post by: Petch on Fri, 21 July 2017, 06:48:52
I feel some blockers on the fkeys would be really nice, as long as enough room is left for the LEDs
esc||f1 f2 f3 f4||f5 f6 f7 f8||f9 f10 f11 f12| .'. |Del
The .'. LED for numlock, scrolllock, and caplock does not need the whole space, and 0.5u can be enough - see Duck Viper's design.
What is more RGB colors of these LEDs at .'. will look nice, but if that is for numlock, scrolllock, and caplock - then we may rarely see them lit up.
If there is that much space, like that right now at 1.5u, there can also be a layer indicator e.g. ...... below or above .'.
I think thee needs to be at least 1.5u space for the LEDs, or it will look cluttered. I think layer indicators would clutter it too much as well
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 21 July 2017, 11:14:15
I feel some blockers on the fkeys would be really nice, as long as enough room is left for the LEDs
esc||f1 f2 f3 f4||f5 f6 f7 f8||f9 f10 f11 f12| .'. |Del
The .'. LED for numlock, scrolllock, and caplock does not need the whole space, and 0.5u can be enough - see Duck Viper's design.
What is more RGB colors of these LEDs at .'. will look nice, but if that is for numlock, scrolllock, and caplock - then we may rarely see them lit up.
If there is that much space, like that right now at 1.5u, there can also be a layer indicator e.g. ...... below or above .'.
I think thee needs to be at least 1.5u space for the LEDs, or it will look cluttered. I think layer indicators would clutter it too much as well
I respect your opinion, and of course OP Pwner's design.
Here are some ErgoDox EZ and Duck Octagon V2 managed to place their LEDs:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1152/3264/files/ergodox-macro-leds.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/1RDasyV.jpg)
Layer indicators are valuable for powerful firmware such as QMK - you can have QWERTY in one layer and COLEMAK in another, or one layer for gaming setting and another for writing and yet another for coding.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 21 July 2017, 11:55:40
Check this post out if you want to see powder coating seam issues:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85676.msg2363209#msg2363209
again, props to Ryan for replacing it at no cost and in a timely manner! I ended up buying two, actually :)
Post by: Rykno on Sat, 22 July 2017, 16:28:21
This is the nicest 75% layout I've ever seen. Split Space support is :D
Some LEDs to indicate layers would be fantasticas well!
Post by: bmilcs on Tue, 25 July 2017, 17:59:07
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Tue, 25 July 2017, 22:24:43
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:08:48
(http://i.imgur.com/kkyx2CF.jpg)
I changed it to a .5u space and I'm not really a fan. Looks a bit too much to me. I'll build out a full board to get a better look at it but as of now I prefer the original spacing.
Also, I'm not too familiar with popular split-space layouts but after looking around I see this combo often:
(http://i.imgur.com/APr8jyN.png)
Is one more widely used than the other or should both be included? I'd like to try and keep the plate as simple as possible as I much prefer having the least amount of cutouts as possible but I'd like to have options at the same time. Is there a more popular layout that I don't know about?
Post by: rioc on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:18:38
So I've had a few requests to look at the spacing between the F-row and alpha keys:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kkyx2CF.jpg)
I changed it to a .5u space and I'm not really a fan. Looks a bit too much to me. I'll build out a full board to get a better look at it but as of now I prefer the original spacing.
Also, I'm not too familiar with popular split-space layouts but after looking around I see this combo often:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/APr8jyN.png)
Is one more widely used than the other or should both be included? I'd like to try and keep the plate as simple as possible as I much prefer having the least amount of cutouts as possible but I'd like to have options at the same time. Is there a more popular layout that I don't know about?
I too prefer the original spacing, but maybe a full render might change my mind... dunno
as for the spacebar, I think those two are most popular...
Post by: Auk on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:42:15
I changed it to a .5u space and I'm not really a fan. Looks a bit too much to me
Agreed, on that render it's too much. Maybe the original is a bit too thin for some people, but it's better than this. Try a compromise or go with the original thin spacing.
Post by: Geckt on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:50:01
So I've had a few requests to look at the spacing between the F-row and alpha keys:Nice, definitely keeping an eye on this. Really like ideas that isolates the arrow cluster.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kkyx2CF.jpg)
I changed it to a .5u space and I'm not really a fan. Looks a bit too much to me. I'll build out a full board to get a better look at it but as of now I prefer the original spacing.
Also, I'm not too familiar with popular split-space layouts but after looking around I see this combo often:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/APr8jyN.png)
Is one more widely used than the other or should both be included? I'd like to try and keep the plate as simple as possible as I much prefer having the least amount of cutouts as possible but I'd like to have options at the same time. Is there a more popular layout that I don't know about?
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Post by: schoolbus on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:56:00
Post by: kokugatsu on Wed, 26 July 2017, 08:22:12
Post by: Petch on Wed, 26 July 2017, 08:52:42
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 26 July 2017, 09:25:02
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 26 July 2017, 09:29:12
Very interested, a very nice design indeed, plus I always like the 75% layout.
Here is my take a few months ago - I use 0.25u blockers, and have a key next to the corner Delete key for Insert or PrintScreen:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zLFIYSu.png)
It's an interesting layout. I like it.
Post by: sysfury on Wed, 26 July 2017, 15:05:18
Post by: CanadaMontreal on Thu, 27 July 2017, 12:39:29
Post by: anthonyooiszewen on Fri, 28 July 2017, 07:09:39
[attachimg=1]
GMK makes convex 2u spacebars now so I think it makes perfect sense to use them as short spacebars/thumb keys instead of the usual 2.25u and 2.75u Shift keys. Meanwhile, the 1u key right in between matches the stagger of the rest of the board, prividing the entire layout a sense of harmony.
And here's something a little more standard:
[attachimg=2]
A combination of Pwner and menuhin's ideas, this layout uses a rather standard bottom row (6.25u spacebar with 1.25u mods) for maximum compatibility, without giving up precious real estate at the top right corner.
Let me know what you guys think! I personally prefer the first one because of the split spacebar and sense of symmetry.
Bonus:
[attachimg=3]
Of course, the left-hand numpad can be used as a 24-key (24 x 1u) macro pad as well.
Post by: Pwner on Fri, 28 July 2017, 08:10:45
If I'm not mistaken, designers generally avoid 0.25 blockers as they're hard to manufacture (fragile/flimsy because only one side is connected to the rest of the frame).
That's something I didn't really think about, but at the same time, not a deal breaker.
In your first idea, the symmetry idea is cool but the bottom row is a bit too much for me honestly. I'd rather just stick with the blocker for the arrows.
Not exact measurements, just a quick attempt but something like this I could make work:
(http://i.imgur.com/VdnJTXl.jpg)
Post by: Petch on Fri, 28 July 2017, 08:21:34
Also the left-handed numpad on 75% is my dream layout, but maybe for another time ;)
Post by: Theconejo on Fri, 28 July 2017, 11:25:20
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 28 July 2017, 13:45:00
Unless you have some sort of funky shaped claw grip when typing, your thumb should be hitting the middle of the space bar, beneath where B and N meet, or more likely, just slightly to the right of that (exception would be after typing a capital Y, your thumb is probably shifted to the left a bit).
Every single split space (except minila)I've seen puts my thumb right on the edge of the space bar. That seems like a terrible idea. However, the concept/functionality is awesome... to be able to use a function key with your left thumb (when not gaming). I just haven't seen it done it a way that would work for someone who was trained to type touch. You could always use QMK's "tap for space/hold for funct.", but I don't like the way it registers a space after you let off. I would have to have a dedicated layer for gaming to turn that off I guess.
It's possible that PWNER could design something even more unique by incorporating the 3u space bar and extra blockers on the bottom row... but I think I like it just the way it is.
Just my 2cents on split space. It's my personal opinion and I know that everyone has they're own style of typing. My favorite thing about this board it the super duper awesome compact design and LED indicators.
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Fri, 28 July 2017, 16:19:52
Post by: Pwner on Fri, 28 July 2017, 21:42:35
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4327/36191218566_01536bd33a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X96sp1)
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 28 July 2017, 21:50:55
Post by: neon_tom on Fri, 28 July 2017, 22:14:04
Post by: gt1989 on Fri, 28 July 2017, 22:25:16
Show Image
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/36098571911_aef3939151_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WZUBLT)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4327/36191218566_01536bd33a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X96sp1)
I'm loving this render, I'm definitely interested in buying this.
Post by: oatmicro on Fri, 28 July 2017, 22:48:54
Simple as that.
Post by: anthonyooiszewen on Sat, 29 July 2017, 01:33:19
Show Image
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/36098571911_aef3939151_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WZUBLT)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4327/36191218566_01536bd33a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X96sp1)
Thanks for considering some of my suggestions, Pwner! Love the work you do and the latest render.
Might I suggest a 0.25u gap between Esc and F1 instead of the 0.5u in the latest render? Right now there are gaps of three different sizes - 0.5u between Esc & F1; 0.25u between F4 & F5 and F8 & F9; 1.0u where the status LEDs sit - and that's one too many, I think. Making all the gaps from Esc to F12 span an equal 0.25u will tidy and tighten up the left side of the board (recall there's no blocker on the left side of the bottom row either so having one in the top left just throws things off) while drawing attention to the one wider gap where the triad of LEDs - the distinctive mark of the Ion 75 - resides.
Check out the TX-CP's top row to get an idea what that would look like: https://i.redd.it/76ncvi86cgcz.jpg
Let me know what you think and keep up the great work!
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 29 July 2017, 09:35:57
Post by: menuhin on Sat, 29 July 2017, 09:56:45
If I'm not mistaken, designers generally avoid 0.25 blockers as they're hard to manufacture (fragile/flimsy because only one side is connected to the rest of the frame).
That's something I didn't really think about, but at the same time, not a deal breaker.
In your first idea, the symmetry idea is cool but the bottom row is a bit too much for me honestly. I'd rather just stick with the blocker for the arrows.
Not exact measurements, just a quick attempt but something like this I could make work:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VdnJTXl.jpg)
I agree with that the top-right corner is precious real estate for keys, but despite still 2 keys less on the top row, the 3-cluster top-row arrangement is neat.
As long as we all want it to happen, I wonder does the OP has the time and capability to make this happen: the design, the prototypes for the PCB with LED that support QMK, the plate, and of course the case.
And when will it happen if it is one of those IC that eventually come true, and how much it is going to cost so I can afford it.
Post by: robotsokk on Sat, 29 July 2017, 11:23:59
Very interested, a very nice design indeed, plus I always like the 75% layout.
Here is my take a few months ago - I use 0.25u blockers, and have a key next to the corner Delete key for Insert or PrintScreen:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zLFIYSu.png)
I don't have a strong opinion around the blockers, but IMO this split spacebar layout in menuhin's post makes the most sense (though I certainly acknowledge that the layout with the 1.25U key in the middle does seem to be popular, so it makes sense to offer it/consider offering it).
Meh, I'm not really into 75% boa......holy balls this thing is beautiful!
I feel the exact same way. Excellent work on this so far, Pwner! I'm interested and will continue to lurk on this thread. And FWIW, I did like the placeholder name for the board, but ION is cool, too :)
Post by: tectonicplate on Sat, 29 July 2017, 15:52:52
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VdnJTXl.jpg)
So I've had a few requests to look at the spacing between the F-row and alpha keys:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kkyx2CF.jpg)
I changed it to a .5u space and I'm not really a fan. Looks a bit too much to me. I'll build out a full board to get a better look at it but as of now I prefer the original spacing.
The original layout is still the best so far. Definitely prefer without the suggested F Row spacers… and the icon area in the upper right is weaker with less space. Normally I avoid anything with branding but this works for me because it's neutral enough, so let it shine. If you stick to the original layout, I would be very interested in this.
Post by: menuhin on Sat, 29 July 2017, 18:30:32
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VdnJTXl.jpg)So I've had a few requests to look at the spacing between the F-row and alpha keys:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kkyx2CF.jpg)
I changed it to a .5u space and I'm not really a fan. Looks a bit too much to me. I'll build out a full board to get a better look at it but as of now I prefer the original spacing.
The original layout is still the best so far. Definitely prefer without the suggested F Row spacers… and the icon area in the upper right is weaker with less space. Normally I avoid anything with branding but this works for me because it's neutral enough, so let it shine. If you stick to the original layout, I would be very interested in this.
F row spacers are good things to have and it also looks more neat.
I may get not only 1 with the neat look. :p
Post by: Pwner on Sun, 30 July 2017, 00:38:53
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VdnJTXl.jpg)So I've had a few requests to look at the spacing between the F-row and alpha keys:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kkyx2CF.jpg)
I changed it to a .5u space and I'm not really a fan. Looks a bit too much to me. I'll build out a full board to get a better look at it but as of now I prefer the original spacing.
The original layout is still the best so far. Definitely prefer without the suggested F Row spacers… and the icon area in the upper right is weaker with less space. Normally I avoid anything with branding but this works for me because it's neutral enough, so let it shine. If you stick to the original layout, I would be very interested in this.
The thing with the original layout that I didn't really think about was the rigidity of the aluminum in that gap. I feel like it may be thick enough to not have issues but I will have to consult with someone who is more experienced in the manufacturing aspect. I will stick with the original layout if it is possible.
Post by: whentheclouds on Sun, 30 July 2017, 03:22:20
and the icon area in the upper right is weaker with less space.agreed. i prefer f row splits but they make the indicator light area look very crammed. however, the original layout also leaves slightly too much space in that area imo..
Post by: anthonyooiszewen on Sun, 30 July 2017, 04:03:33
and the icon area in the upper right is weaker with less space.agreed. i prefer f row splits but they make the indicator light area look very crammed. however, the original layout also leaves slightly too much space in that area imo..
Yea, which is why I suggested cutting the gap between Esc and F1 down to 0.25 (instead of 0.5) so that there's more room for the tri-LEDs while still having F-row splits.
As for F-row splits, it's one of those things you think you don't need until you actually use a 75% or 96-key and use the F-keys often. The splits just make finding the right F-key way faster/easier.
Post by: menuhin on Sun, 30 July 2017, 04:48:59
Post by: Auk on Sun, 30 July 2017, 07:16:58
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zLFIYSu.png)
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Those are really good, maybe not what Pwner wants to do, but I like them.
Tuatara 75?
That's a good suggestion, one of the best so far.
...I didn't really think about was the rigidity of the aluminum in that gap...
Are you willing to compromise on cost? if you decide it's too thin and you very strongly want to do your original design, you could consider a major rework of the design to enable the blockers to be fixed to the base part of the case. If you use blockers in the F row they could give the the extra rigidity needed in the long spacer between num row and F row. A step further would be to fix that long thin spacer to the base as well, but you would have to use a separate PCB for the F row and bridge it to the main.
Post by: poolside on Sun, 30 July 2017, 15:38:51
I personally like the non-blocked F-row, despite the few mi****s which might be incurred when trying to reach F5.
Sadly, the inward-slants on the sides and backside of the case bottom have not made it to the current iteration. These would still provide a little grip when lifting the case off the desk.
Otherwise, a couple name suggestions:
- 75 Jailbreak, because it breaks away from the usual one-rectangle-for-all design of 75% boards. Inspired by this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Ac-dc-74-jailbreak-cover.jpg/220px-Ac-dc-74-jailbreak-cover.jpg)
- "Tachikoma" from one of the GMK Laser novelty keycaps with the 3-eyed thing
Post by: menuhin on Sun, 30 July 2017, 17:12:10
(https://shutupandwatchthemovie.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/predators_trailer.png)
(https://1withabullet.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/predator-laser-sight.png)
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 01 August 2017, 20:17:39
Perhaps one has to be old enough to remember the predator movies:Show Image(https://shutupandwatchthemovie.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/predators_trailer.png)Show Image(https://1withabullet.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/predator-laser-sight.png)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4428/35927223840_4020893c63_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WJLpXN)
In other news:
After speaking with a few people with far more experience than myself in regards to manufacturing, the general consensus is that the original f-row gap would be plenty rigid enough [it's ~4x7.5mm for reference] so I am 99.9% sure I will be sticking to my original layout. Although admittedly the spacer look did grow on me, I still prefer the original.
Also, here is a quick up to date render of the side. I'm still not 100% on this, but I'll figure it out.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4430/35514915313_98df23778b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W7ke16)
Post by: rioc on Wed, 02 August 2017, 01:58:41
Show ImagePerhaps one has to be old enough to remember the predator movies:Show Image(https://shutupandwatchthemovie.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/predators_trailer.png)Show Image(https://1withabullet.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/predator-laser-sight.png)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4428/35927223840_4020893c63_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WJLpXN)
In other news:
After speaking with a few people with far more experience than myself in regards to manufacturing, the general consensus is that the original f-row gap would be plenty rigid enough [it's ~4x7.5mm for reference] so I am 99.9% sure I will be sticking to my original layout. Although admittedly the spacer look did grow on me, I still prefer the original.
Also, here is a quick up to date render of the side. I'm still not 100% on this, but I'll figure it out.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4430/35514915313_98df23778b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W7ke16)
DUDE! This would be the coolest weight inlay design! And have the status LEDs on the top-side all red too ;)
looking really good those renders :)
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 02 August 2017, 03:30:22
Post by: Petch on Wed, 02 August 2017, 06:26:33
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 02 August 2017, 07:10:01
Noooo RIP f-row spacers
F-row spacers help the user to locate the correct function keys real quick - they are actually very functional. :cool:
Post by: anthonyooiszewen on Wed, 02 August 2017, 14:22:41
Noooo RIP f-row spacers
F-row spacers help the user to locate the correct function keys real quick - they are actually very functional. :cool:
Yea, as someone who pretty much only uses 75% keyboards, I hate how I have to look just to make sure I have the correct F-key. That, and the fact that it makes most keycap sets - most of them have F5-F8 as a different color - look awkward since they're all squished together.
Post by: Trente on Thu, 03 August 2017, 19:10:42
Post by: Fictiouz on Thu, 03 August 2017, 19:39:17
Also digging the predator weight design.
Post by: Pwner on Thu, 03 August 2017, 20:26:15
Super interested, but if possible, you should offer a diffuser-less option or have an aluminum/brass spacer option ;D
The goal would be acrylic and alu with a few neutral colored options. I'd like to have a brass option as well but we'll see.
Post by: Pwner on Thu, 03 August 2017, 20:29:31
Noooo RIP f-row spacers
F-row spacers help the user to locate the correct function keys real quick - they are actually very functional. :cool:
Yea, as someone who pretty much only uses 75% keyboards, I hate how I have to look just to make sure I have the correct F-key. That, and the fact that it makes most keycap sets - most of them have F5-F8 as a different color - look awkward since they're all squished together.
But most 75's they are all squished together anyways, aren't they? My goal was to keep that similar aesthetic but give it a bit of spacing because I personally don't care for the f-row being even with the num row.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 04 August 2017, 04:53:49
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(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/36098571911_aef3939151_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WZUBLT)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4327/36191218566_01536bd33a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X96sp1)
In terms of straight aesthetics I feel like this is better looking. The row alignment is just more pleasing. It might not feel quite like a normal 75, but it never was gonna.
Post by: Petch on Fri, 04 August 2017, 05:19:05
Also, did you decide on what process you would use for the white aluminium?
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 04 August 2017, 05:39:00
Show Image(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/36098571911_aef3939151_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WZUBLT)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4327/36191218566_01536bd33a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X96sp1)
In terms of straight aesthetics I feel like this is better looking. The row alignment is just more pleasing. It might not feel quite like a normal 75, but it never was gonna.
I also think the key alignment looks better on this one for me.
But of course Pwner is the designer and has the final design decisions.
Post by: sysfury on Fri, 04 August 2017, 06:54:21
Post by: Unforgivable on Fri, 04 August 2017, 07:41:08
Super interested, but if possible, you should offer a diffuser-less option or have an aluminum/brass spacer option ;D
The goal would be acrylic and alu with a few neutral colored options. I'd like to have a brass option as well but we'll see.
Would the middle be optional?
Also, +1 on the spacers between the F rows. I love the way it looks like a mini TKL! It's your project though, so don't feel pressured. :(
Post by: robotsokk on Fri, 04 August 2017, 10:48:20
Post by: Pwner on Fri, 04 August 2017, 11:12:16
I will say that one thing I like about the spacer-less design for the F-row is that it allows a bit more 'breathing room' around the LED indicators, making them look less cramped.
That and it just looks much better. OP is cool though, I'm sure he'll figure it out.
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Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 04 August 2017, 11:57:44
I will say that one thing I like about the spacer-less design for the F-row is that it allows a bit more 'breathing room' around the LED indicators, making them look less cramped.
That and it just looks much better. OP is cool though, I'm sure he'll figure it out.
:blank:
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Post by: rioc on Fri, 04 August 2017, 12:28:19
Not confused the way you meant but still my favourite: http://giant.gfycat.com/WatchfulAlarmedHorseshoecrab.gifI will say that one thing I like about the spacer-less design for the F-row is that it allows a bit more 'breathing room' around the LED indicators, making them look less cramped.
That and it just looks much better. OP is cool though, I'm sure he'll figure it out.
:blank:
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Post by: bmilcs on Mon, 07 August 2017, 18:47:38
If I'm not mistaken, designers generally avoid 0.25 blockers as they're hard to manufacture (fragile/flimsy because only one side is connected to the rest of the frame).
That's something I didn't really think about, but at the same time, not a deal breaker.
In your first idea, the symmetry idea is cool but the bottom row is a bit too much for me honestly. I'd rather just stick with the blocker for the arrows.
Not exact measurements, just a quick attempt but something like this I could make work:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VdnJTXl.jpg)
Yes yes yes yes!!!
Post by: FoC_Tow on Tue, 08 August 2017, 05:37:47
Noooo RIP f-row spacers
F-row spacers help the user to locate the correct function keys real quick - they are actually very functional. :cool:
Yea, as someone who pretty much only uses 75% keyboards, I hate how I have to look just to make sure I have the correct F-key. That, and the fact that it makes most keycap sets - most of them have F5-F8 as a different color - look awkward since they're all squished together.
But most 75's they are all squished together anyways, aren't they? My goal was to keep that similar aesthetic but give it a bit of spacing because I personally don't care for the f-row being even with the num row.
+1 Original design without f-row spacers.
No spacers looks way cleaner and actually creates a unique esthetic while spacers look familiar but boring af imo.
It's already offset by the one spacer next to esc, so it wont have that 75% inline top row look either.
Don't force it to be something else, keep it original and unique
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 08 August 2017, 05:48:20
+1 Original design without f-row spacers.
No spacers looks way cleaner and actually creates a unique esthetic while spacers look familiar but boring af imo.
It's already offset by the one spacer next to esc, so it wont have that 75% inline top row look either.
Don't force it to be something else, keep it original and unique
Nothing else needs to be said, you said it all for me. :thumb:
New renders and stuff coming soon. I'm not going to be rushing this to GB as I have some prior engagements that I would like to make sure are squared away beforehand but plenty of necessary components to make this happen are being worked on.
Thanks for all the feedback from everyone! I'm pretty stoked at the reception I have received for this and I'm even more excited to make this happen. :-*
Post by: whentheclouds on Tue, 08 August 2017, 05:50:14
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 08 August 2017, 06:33:54
Pwner, what do you think about widening the ESC-F1 gap a little and closing the gap where the LEDs reside? to somewhere between the original and spacer design
The gap between esc-f1 was done as it was to match the gap between rctrl-arrows in the bottom row. I did it so it would have some sort of cohesiveness. I tried limiting the variance of gap sizes though I'm not an art or design major, I just do what looks best to me.
Post by: Petch on Tue, 08 August 2017, 08:51:37
Is how I'd have done it, but if you're confident that manufacturing that long 0.25u horizontal spacer without 0.25u vertical spacers won't be an issue then go for it. It would be good to see another keyboard that has done that just for the sake of some confidence, but I can't find any
Post by: hayt on Tue, 08 August 2017, 09:15:16
Post by: bmilcs on Tue, 08 August 2017, 09:41:52
Please. Don't sacrifice on it's function to appeal to the metrosexual side of the community. It's a stunning piece and added spacing will only set it apart from the pack even moreso.
Post by: Petch on Tue, 08 August 2017, 10:22:31
At the end of the day, a keyboard is a tool. Having no spacers will sadly make it a little "prettier" but will be less functionally sound. The originally design has unique yet awesome layout which sets it apart from your average 75%. Adding the FKey spacing will only add to that and make it even better.
Please. Don't sacrifice on it's function to appeal to the metrosexual side of the community. It's a stunning piece and added spacing will only set it apart from the pack even moreso.
Try telling that to people who fill their keyboards with uncomfortable lumps of resin ;D
Post by: bmilcs on Tue, 08 August 2017, 11:51:47
At the end of the day, a keyboard is a tool. Having no spacers will sadly make it a little "prettier" but will be less functionally sound. The originally design has unique yet awesome layout which sets it apart from your average 75%. Adding the FKey spacing will only add to that and make it even better.
Please. Don't sacrifice on it's function to appeal to the metrosexual side of the community. It's a stunning piece and added spacing will only set it apart from the pack even moreso.
Try telling that to people who fill their keyboards with uncomfortable lumps of resin ;D
:)
There are a lot of 75% keyboards, and setting this apart from the herd is what's going to really tickle my fancy and many other people who value function over all else.
The case and design is stunning already, and having small dividers between F-Keys isn't going to make or break the GB for the VAST majority.
I mean you already have that cool spacing between the arrows & right ctrl/alt. There's spacing between esc + fkeys + far right hotkeys. It's already not a block of keys like your standard 75%.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/36098571911_aef3939151_z.jpg)
I'm using a 75% as we speak. It's a great layout. You've taken that great layout and changed every gripe I have with it... making it the damn near perfect layout in my eyes. This right here... really REALLY excites me. It's f'ing gorgeous, it's ergonomically & functionally superior to most compact layouts and as a result... it's unique.
You have a winner on your hands!!!!!
Now that I think about it, if you were to create a MINIMAL gap between the end of the 60% layout and the far right hotkeys like the FKEY row, that would make it even easier to type on and give you a little space to move the arrows over an inch. That's my only suggestion :)
Post by: bmilcs on Tue, 08 August 2017, 12:03:53
I just feel really strongly about this. It's so beautiful and it would be a shame to see a block of F-Keys when you're striking an amazing balance of form and function. It would barely look any different but it would hinder it's ease of use.
OK OK OK. I'm done and sorry once again :)
Keep up the great work!
Post by: FoC_Tow on Tue, 08 August 2017, 12:39:20
At the end of the day, a keyboard is a tool. Having no spacers will sadly make it a little "prettier" but will be less functionally sound. The originally design has unique yet awesome layout which sets it apart from your average 75%. Adding the FKey spacing will only add to that and make it even better.
Please. Don't sacrifice on it's function to appeal to the metrosexual side of the community. It's a stunning piece and added spacing will only set it apart from the pack even moreso.
Try telling that to people who fill their keyboards with uncomfortable lumps of resin ;D
:)
There are a lot of 75% keyboards, and setting this apart from the herd is what's going to really tickle my fancy and many other people who value function over all else.
The case and design is stunning already, and having small dividers between F-Keys isn't going to make or break the GB for the VAST majority.
I mean you already have that cool spacing between the arrows & right ctrl/alt. There's spacing between esc + fkeys + far right hotkeys. It's already not a block of keys like your standard 75%.Show Image(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/36098571911_aef3939151_z.jpg)
I'm using a 75% as we speak. It's a great layout. You've taken that great layout and changed every gripe I have with it... making it the damn near perfect layout in my eyes. This right here... really REALLY excites me. It's f'ing gorgeous, it's ergonomically & functionally superior to most compact layouts and as a result... it's unique.
You have a winner on your hands!!!!!
Not sure why this is such a huge trigger point itching peoples need to express their supperiority of valuing function over erything else which apperantly is solely based on having f-row spacers.
No offense, I can totally understand the argumentation and value of spacers increasing usability, atleast for people who are used to that sort of thing.
The hole thing turned really quickly tho and i honestly don't see reason why this argumentation can't be held in a neutral way.
I've been using 75% and smaller for years (working in Game Development) and personally don't see productivity increase in using f-row spacers,
but similar to many tools, an ideal layout comes down to preference of the user.
I really enjoy the OG layout, and while I could live with spacers, it feels to me like tkl user are trying to force this to be a mini tkl as a gateway drug into smaller boards.
I realy love the og asthetics, and while I'm not much of a tkl fan, the design is unique enough to be interesting even with spacers imo.
Im honestly cool either way, but I personally much prefer the og layout since I prefer asthetics and don't personally see any difference usability wise.
Post by: menuhin on Tue, 08 August 2017, 13:40:46
You know my preference from my previous posts about the F-key blockers...
But ANYWAYS, no matter what your final design decision is, I have total respect for this design - functional blockers (arrow, esc, and delete, and the debated the F-key blockers) plus the super cool form of status LEDs, plus other details on the sides and the first attempted weight insert design.
What matters most is:
Please make it happen - I have been waiting for a nice 75% for over a year already as a major fan of this form factor.
And please try to see if you can make it a top-mount (i.e. switch plate fixed directly on the base and sandwiched between the two halves).
And please try to find a competent PCB designer (e.g. Leeku) to design this PCB (oh...., but I also want QMK support which is not a feature of Leeku's PCB).
So many wishes expressed.
:p
Post by: bmilcs on Tue, 08 August 2017, 15:06:20
Either way, tip of the hat to you and your work here.
Post by: Yethuo on Sat, 12 August 2017, 10:23:45
Post by: lac29 on Sun, 13 August 2017, 10:33:58
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ID8M2Tz.png)
Is how I'd have done it, but if you're confident that manufacturing that long 0.25u horizontal spacer without 0.25u vertical spacers won't be an issue then go for it. It would be good to see another keyboard that has done that just for the sake of some confidence, but I can't find any
75SQ basically is like that or very close to it.
Post by: skidude9678 on Sun, 13 August 2017, 11:21:03
Post by: Idef1x on Mon, 14 August 2017, 05:44:56
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 14 August 2017, 06:14:04
this looks amazing
:thumb:
I absolutely agree and have respect for the final decision of the OP. It's completely his baby and if he thinks the F-Keys should go in a zig zag pattern, so be it! I apologize for coming off so strong. I didn't realize the original decision had no spaced f-keys, and was basing my viewpoint off the image I linked above ;). I thought I was defending the OP's views and that was the original design and people were arguing for non-spaced.
Either way, tip of the hat to you and your work here.
Hey man, no need to apologize! As long as the discussion remains civil, I'm cool with it.
I'd be in on this 100% if the original design without f-row spacers is offered. Such a unique look that sets this board apart and I don't think there would be much loss in real-world functionality taking them out.
I'll be looking for you in the GB. ;)
This looks great! Definitely interested!
Thanks, glad you made it over here!
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Mon, 14 August 2017, 06:17:20
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Post by: rioc on Mon, 14 August 2017, 06:20:24
as for the F-Row spacers, I don't really mind if it'll be with or without, allthough with would look sexier if you can still encompass the Predator style LEDs :)
Post by: Idef1x on Tue, 15 August 2017, 06:02:01
My question is: If this IC ends up becoming a group buy, what will the price for a beauty such as this most likely be? I know there is no pricing, I am just trying to find price range, to mentally prepare for financial ruin.
Post by: rioc on Tue, 15 August 2017, 06:40:49
I am quite the nublet here on Geekhack. All boards and caps I own are through Massdrop.
My question is: If this IC ends up becoming a group buy, what will the price for a beauty such as this most likely be? I know there is no pricing, I am just trying to find price range, to mentally prepare for financial ruin.
I would calculate 350$ so you aren't surprised. If it's less, then that's a plus.
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Post by: Pwner on Tue, 15 August 2017, 07:00:39
to mentally prepare for financial ruin.
If you aren't already doing this, you're doing it wrong.
I would calculate 350$ so you aren't surprised. If it's less, then that's a plus.
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$350 would be cool, ideally it would be less but I have no estimates at this point.
Post by: Petch on Tue, 15 August 2017, 08:09:16
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Post by: Muiju on Fri, 18 August 2017, 09:13:02
Post by: TelFiRE on Wed, 23 August 2017, 01:27:22
Post by: ctrl on Wed, 23 August 2017, 04:04:19
Two questions. What firmware will it use? How far into the future might a GB be?
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 23 August 2017, 04:41:03
Wow. Everything about this is right.
Two questions. What firmware will it use? How far into the future might a GB be?
I'm looking at having a qmk and a bmc option.
I'm not trying to push it too quickly, there are a lot of buys going on now and just around the corner that I know people are looking forward to but I would hope to have the gb by the end of this year.
Post by: ctrl on Wed, 23 August 2017, 09:08:40
Wow. Everything about this is right.
Two questions. What firmware will it use? How far into the future might a GB be?
I'm looking at having a qmk and a bmc option.
I'm not trying to push it too quickly, there are a lot of buys going on now and just around the corner that I know people are looking forward to but I would hope to have the gb by the end of this year.
Sounds solid. :thumb:
Are the three dots intended to be indicator LEDs for the lock keys? Following the past conversation, I get that impression. The three dot logo is on point. The Ion name as well.
Post by: rmendis on Thu, 24 August 2017, 00:37:38
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Post by: KaosJ on Thu, 31 August 2017, 07:50:23
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 05 September 2017, 18:22:26
I like this. Much prefer the F row without spaces between them.
Layout in the initial post is what it will be.
I didn't follow the IC for a while now, is the illuminati weight gone officially?
Most likely. CAD is about 90% done at this point, the weight is really the only thing I haven't decided on.
Waiting on a proto for another project and dealing with final details for that and then I'll be back to work on this board.
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 06 September 2017, 07:43:37
I like this. Much prefer the F row without spaces between them.
Layout in the initial post is what it will be.I didn't follow the IC for a while now, is the illuminati weight gone officially?
Most likely. CAD is about 90% done at this point, the weight is really the only thing I haven't decided on.
Waiting on a proto for another project and dealing with final details for that and then I'll be back to work on this board.
Before finalizing the final design idea, it may be good to produce a few prototypes to examine how the structure holds up - the design of BananaSplit 60% plate, because of the lack of structural link at the bottom right corner, has a lot more warping and some of their end-product productions are problematic.
Post by: Calza on Wed, 06 September 2017, 08:02:20
Post by: SuperVan on Wed, 13 September 2017, 10:03:30
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Post by: Delirious on Wed, 13 September 2017, 10:40:13
http://telcontar.net/KBK/KBref/Focus_FK-1001/top.jpg
Post by: Idef1x on Thu, 12 October 2017, 06:47:38
Waiting on a proto for another project and dealing with final details for that and then I'll be back to work on this board.
Do you have any estimate on when the GB might happen - or is it too soon to give any details on?
Sorry for asking - I just really like the design on this board.
Post by: HTN47 on Wed, 18 October 2017, 13:19:36
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 18 October 2017, 16:11:23
Any update on this project? I'm really looking forward to owning my first 75% custom ;D
Yes. I apologise for the lack of updates. I was working on another project along side this, but due to my severe lack of time and after some discussion that is getting put on the back burner for now and my focus is now solely on finishing this board. Currently discussing some necessary details to get this finished up, so no timeline info at the moment but it is progressing forward.
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 18 October 2017, 16:13:07
(http://i.imgur.com/eSOSmD0.jpg)
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Wed, 18 October 2017, 16:19:33
Oh yeah, I'll leave this here too:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eSOSmD0.jpg)
OMG :eek: :eek: :eek:
Will this be available in white cerokote?
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Wed, 18 October 2017, 16:20:39
Post by: robotsokk on Wed, 18 October 2017, 20:18:00
Oh yeah, I'll leave this here too:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eSOSmD0.jpg)
Digging the half-plate :)
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 18 October 2017, 21:07:11
Is it just about the feel/flex of the board?
Anywho, the board looks amazing. Sorry to hear about that other project, especially if it’s the one I think it is. But I’m ready to throw my money at this unique layout.
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 18 October 2017, 21:48:47
Anywho, the board looks amazing. Sorry to hear about that other project, especially if it’s the one I think it is. But I’m ready to throw my money at this unique layout.
It is not, that one is still very much alive and about ready. The one on hold was an unannounced project that I may have teased a time or 2 but that's about it. It will continue sometime in the future.
Post by: iliptikal on Thu, 19 October 2017, 01:36:06
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Post by: kokugatsu on Thu, 19 October 2017, 02:35:17
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 19 October 2017, 05:14:55
This will be the best linear-switch setup.
Post by: kokugatsu on Fri, 20 October 2017, 05:05:57
Post by: Shenpai on Fri, 20 October 2017, 20:46:25
Post by: DukeMugen on Mon, 23 October 2017, 12:38:41
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 23 October 2017, 13:06:28
Spacers on the F-rows then this is Majestic. Reserve me 3 boards!!!
+1 about the spacers on the F-rows
I have to get one of these too.
Post by: toan on Mon, 23 October 2017, 16:34:29
Spacers on the F-rows then this is Majestic. Reserve me 3 boards!!!
Then maybe there will be NO space for logo/indicator LEDs? I mean I love the logo/indicator more than f-spacer :D :). Need this GB to happen now BTW!!!
Post by: Vadurr on Mon, 23 October 2017, 16:42:38
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 23 October 2017, 18:16:10
Any chance a matching numpad can be made as well?
(http://i.imgur.com/MYkMAne.jpg)
I will see about the possibility of dropping a numpad as well but I'm not making any guarantees right now.
I'm guessing there will be a full plate option?
Of course.
Spacers on the F-rows then this is Majestic. Reserve me 3 boards!!!
Then maybe there will be NO space for logo/indicator LEDs? I mean I love the logo/indicator more than f-spacer :D :). Need this GB to happen now BTW!!!
A page or 2 back I did do a render of this. There is space but it looks a bit crowded. I'm sticking with no spacers for now.
Post by: toan on Mon, 23 October 2017, 18:28:42
Any chance a matching numpad can be made as well?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MYkMAne.jpg)
I will see about the possibility of dropping a numpad as well but I'm not making any guarantees right now.I'm guessing there will be a full plate option?
Of course.Spacers on the F-rows then this is Majestic. Reserve me 3 boards!!!
Then maybe there will be NO space for logo/indicator LEDs? I mean I love the logo/indicator more than f-spacer :D :). Need this GB to happen now BTW!!!
A page or 2 back I did do a render of this. There is space but it looks a bit crowded. I'm sticking with no spacers for now.
Does the 3 dots on right logo or indicator/status LEDs? Should be awesome if that's the indicator/status LEDs
Post by: Vadurr on Mon, 23 October 2017, 18:46:39
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Mon, 23 October 2017, 19:17:55
Any chance a matching numpad can be made as well?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MYkMAne.jpg)
I will see about the possibility of dropping a numpad as well but I'm not making any guarantees right now.
Oh man that numpad design would be sweet! hope it goes through!
I am aiming for a build like this but in white:
(https://i.imgur.com/lSeOyuA.jpg)
the credit for the picture is for a Reddit user. Sorry i forgot your username...
Post by: Vadurr on Mon, 23 October 2017, 19:45:17
Any chance a matching numpad can be made as well?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MYkMAne.jpg)
I will see about the possibility of dropping a numpad as well but I'm not making any guarantees right now.
Oh man that numpad design would be sweet! hope it goes through!
I am aiming for a build like this but in white:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/lSeOyuA.jpg)
the credit for the picture is for a Reddit user. Sorry i forgot your username...
Holy crap! That's an awesome HF setup... The cables really tie everything together so well. :cool:
Post by: sundin on Mon, 23 October 2017, 22:51:21
Aouuuuuuh :-[Any chance a matching numpad can be made as well?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MYkMAne.jpg)
I will see about the possibility of dropping a numpad as well but I'm not making any guarantees right now.
I'm in too.
Post by: DukeMugen on Tue, 24 October 2017, 00:37:08
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Tue, 24 October 2017, 02:15:49
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Post by: FoC_Tow on Tue, 24 October 2017, 02:47:40
Imo the f-spacers create a more balance look.
Also let’s face it, no spaces needs uniform colored f-row too look best and we aren’t getting many of those.
People love hating uniform f-rows ;_____;
Post by: monkeysontoast on Tue, 24 October 2017, 03:39:39
Post by: Idef1x on Tue, 24 October 2017, 14:14:27
Post by: lac29 on Thu, 26 October 2017, 08:23:10
Post by: Pwner on Fri, 27 October 2017, 09:46:23
What will the layout options be? Split backspace? Split left shift? Split spacebar?
The available layouts is posted in the OP. Although, I think split space may be removed due to the location of some components on the PCB.
And while I'm here, I wanted to touch on the F-row spacing real quick and why I don't want to do it:
(https://i.imgur.com/ciUr8js.png)
A. This would be my ideal option as the spacing between the ESC and F1 matches the blocker for the arrows, but then that leads to F9-F12 to be even with the keys under them which defeats my goal with this layout. The indicator area is also a bit cramped.
B. This is feasible, although I personally don't like the non matching spacing with the bottom row blocker and in turn ruining my original aesthetic. I much prefer the look with no spacing and having the F keys centered over the row below it.
I'm not going to make any solid promises due to my work schedule, but the CAD is about 90% finished so I hope to have an update within the next week or 2. I'll have some better renders done by an outside party once the CAD is finished. :cool:
Post by: TelFiRE on Fri, 27 October 2017, 12:45:22
Post by: Tre3Cycl3S on Sat, 28 October 2017, 01:54:12
If possible, I motion a strong push for green... to justify my purchase of GMK Royal Alpha!
Post by: SeedyOne on Wed, 01 November 2017, 19:37:13
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Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Mon, 06 November 2017, 20:59:04
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Post by: TheZissou on Sat, 11 November 2017, 12:54:54
Post by: cdn-mini on Sat, 11 November 2017, 12:59:32
Post by: Idef1x on Sat, 11 November 2017, 14:26:50
Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
The spacing on this board is exactly why I like it ;D to each their own I guess. :thumb:
Post by: DillonHightower on Sat, 11 November 2017, 22:37:07
I prefer no f row spacing. I am used to f keys being basically aligned with the corresponding number key (not necessarily exactly above them, but the same distance/angle from them all if that makes sense). Basically I like your design best
I agree with this . The Main pic on the very first page is the best IMO, love the big block of F keys no spaces.
Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
This is what I find unique to the whole board. Love that look and hopefully liike you said 3 dots hopefully light up..
Post by: Pwner on Sat, 11 November 2017, 23:45:03
Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
I'm just trying to do something a little different, I understand that it isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea and that is fine.
I prefer no f row spacing. I am used to f keys being basically aligned with the corresponding number key (not necessarily exactly above them, but the same distance/angle from them all if that makes sense). Basically I like your design best
I agree with this . The Main pic on the very first page is the best IMO, love the big block of F keys no spaces.Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
This is what I find unique to the whole board. Love that look and hopefully liike you said 3 dots hopefully light up..
Of course they will light up. They are intended to be lock indicators, but you can do what you want with them. :thumb:
In other related news:
At this point, it's looking like the pad will be run as well. I have no definitive info on a timeline as I'm currently in the process of getting my Classic 60 wrapped up that should be ready verrrry soon, waiting on the proto and to finish up some last minute details on that but it is coming. This project will be sometime after that.
Post by: gt1989 on Sat, 11 November 2017, 23:49:26
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Post by: OmegaSupreme on Sun, 12 November 2017, 12:45:07
Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
I'm just trying to do something a little different, I understand that it isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea and that is fine.I prefer no f row spacing. I am used to f keys being basically aligned with the corresponding number key (not necessarily exactly above them, but the same distance/angle from them all if that makes sense). Basically I like your design best
I agree with this . The Main pic on the very first page is the best IMO, love the big block of F keys no spaces.Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
This is what I find unique to the whole board. Love that look and hopefully liike you said 3 dots hopefully light up..
Of course they will light up. They are intended to be lock indicators, but you can do what you want with them. :thumb:
In other related news:
At this point, it's looking like the pad will be run as well. I have no definitive info on a timeline as I'm currently in the process of getting my Classic 60 wrapped up that should be ready verrrry soon, waiting on the proto and to finish up some last minute details on that but it is coming. This project will be sometime after that.
Awesome that the pad is running as well!
But take your time i’m a bit tied up in other buys at the moment and can use the time to replenish funds
Post by: _rubik on Sun, 12 November 2017, 14:52:52
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Sun, 12 November 2017, 22:31:28
Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
I'm just trying to do something a little different, I understand that it isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea and that is fine.I prefer no f row spacing. I am used to f keys being basically aligned with the corresponding number key (not necessarily exactly above them, but the same distance/angle from them all if that makes sense). Basically I like your design best
I agree with this . The Main pic on the very first page is the best IMO, love the big block of F keys no spaces.Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
This is what I find unique to the whole board. Love that look and hopefully liike you said 3 dots hopefully light up..
Of course they will light up. They are intended to be lock indicators, but you can do what you want with them. :thumb:
In other related news:
At this point, it's looking like the pad will be run as well. I have no definitive info on a timeline as I'm currently in the process of getting my Classic 60 wrapped up that should be ready verrrry soon, waiting on the proto and to finish up some last minute details on that but it is coming. This project will be sometime after that.
Awesome that the pad is running as well!
But take your time i’m a bit tied up in other buys at the moment and can use the time to replenish funds
OmegaSupreme I thought I’d seen you in almost every other keyboard thread I’ve been following this month! ;)
In the same boat though (so many buys going on this month - it’s ridiculous).
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Post by: OmegaSupreme on Sun, 12 November 2017, 22:48:09
Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
I'm just trying to do something a little different, I understand that it isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea and that is fine.I prefer no f row spacing. I am used to f keys being basically aligned with the corresponding number key (not necessarily exactly above them, but the same distance/angle from them all if that makes sense). Basically I like your design best
I agree with this . The Main pic on the very first page is the best IMO, love the big block of F keys no spaces.Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
This is what I find unique to the whole board. Love that look and hopefully liike you said 3 dots hopefully light up..
Of course they will light up. They are intended to be lock indicators, but you can do what you want with them. :thumb:
In other related news:
At this point, it's looking like the pad will be run as well. I have no definitive info on a timeline as I'm currently in the process of getting my Classic 60 wrapped up that should be ready verrrry soon, waiting on the proto and to finish up some last minute details on that but it is coming. This project will be sometime after that.
Awesome that the pad is running as well!
But take your time i’m a bit tied up in other buys at the moment and can use the time to replenish funds
OmegaSupreme I thought I’d seen you in almost every other keyboard thread I’ve been following this month! ;)
In the same boat though (so many buys going on this month - it’s ridiculous).
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Haha we got great taste :p
Funny I was saying the same thing to another user, Amnesia, the other day.
I did just back out of the SaiB board buy though. Have to slow it down a wee bit and reprioritize.
But the ION is a must buy for me. Especially after I requested the numpad.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 12 November 2017, 23:12:26
Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
I'm just trying to do something a little different, I understand that it isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea and that is fine.I prefer no f row spacing. I am used to f keys being basically aligned with the corresponding number key (not necessarily exactly above them, but the same distance/angle from them all if that makes sense). Basically I like your design best
I agree with this . The Main pic on the very first page is the best IMO, love the big block of F keys no spaces.Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
This is what I find unique to the whole board. Love that look and hopefully liike you said 3 dots hopefully light up..
Of course they will light up. They are intended to be lock indicators, but you can do what you want with them. :thumb:
In other related news:
At this point, it's looking like the pad will be run as well. I have no definitive info on a timeline as I'm currently in the process of getting my Classic 60 wrapped up that should be ready verrrry soon, waiting on the proto and to finish up some last minute details on that but it is coming. This project will be sometime after that.
Awesome that the pad is running as well!
But take your time i’m a bit tied up in other buys at the moment and can use the time to replenish funds
OmegaSupreme I thought I’d seen you in almost every other keyboard thread I’ve been following this month! ;)
In the same boat though (so many buys going on this month - it’s ridiculous).
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Haha we got great taste :p
Funny I was saying the same thing to another user, Amnesia, the other day.
I did just back out of the SaiB board buy though. Have to slow it down a wee bit and reprioritize.
But the ION is a must buy for me. Especially after I requested the numpad.
I hope this doesn’t come too soon. I do want one, I’ve been very bad the last month or so. And then there’s laser. But I do need a nice 75% at some point :O
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Sun, 12 November 2017, 23:26:24
Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
I'm just trying to do something a little different, I understand that it isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea and that is fine.I prefer no f row spacing. I am used to f keys being basically aligned with the corresponding number key (not necessarily exactly above them, but the same distance/angle from them all if that makes sense). Basically I like your design best
I agree with this . The Main pic on the very first page is the best IMO, love the big block of F keys no spaces.Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
This is what I find unique to the whole board. Love that look and hopefully liike you said 3 dots hopefully light up..
Of course they will light up. They are intended to be lock indicators, but you can do what you want with them. :thumb:
In other related news:
At this point, it's looking like the pad will be run as well. I have no definitive info on a timeline as I'm currently in the process of getting my Classic 60 wrapped up that should be ready verrrry soon, waiting on the proto and to finish up some last minute details on that but it is coming. This project will be sometime after that.
Awesome that the pad is running as well!
But take your time i’m a bit tied up in other buys at the moment and can use the time to replenish funds
OmegaSupreme I thought I’d seen you in almost every other keyboard thread I’ve been following this month! ;)
In the same boat though (so many buys going on this month - it’s ridiculous).
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Haha we got great taste :p
Funny I was saying the same thing to another user, Amnesia, the other day.
I did just back out of the SaiB board buy though. Have to slow it down a wee bit and reprioritize.
But the ION is a must buy for me. Especially after I requested the numpad.
You backed out of the SaiB?.. such control ;)
I'm in for the SaiB, but if this was going to be noticeablly more affordable I'd jump ship to this one, maybe then I wouldn't feel so guilty about it :-\
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Sun, 12 November 2017, 23:30:44
Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
I'm just trying to do something a little different, I understand that it isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea and that is fine.I prefer no f row spacing. I am used to f keys being basically aligned with the corresponding number key (not necessarily exactly above them, but the same distance/angle from them all if that makes sense). Basically I like your design best
I agree with this . The Main pic on the very first page is the best IMO, love the big block of F keys no spaces.Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
This is what I find unique to the whole board. Love that look and hopefully liike you said 3 dots hopefully light up..
Of course they will light up. They are intended to be lock indicators, but you can do what you want with them. :thumb:
In other related news:
At this point, it's looking like the pad will be run as well. I have no definitive info on a timeline as I'm currently in the process of getting my Classic 60 wrapped up that should be ready verrrry soon, waiting on the proto and to finish up some last minute details on that but it is coming. This project will be sometime after that.
Awesome that the pad is running as well!
But take your time i’m a bit tied up in other buys at the moment and can use the time to replenish funds
OmegaSupreme I thought I’d seen you in almost every other keyboard thread I’ve been following this month!
In the same boat though (so many buys going on this month - it’s ridiculous).
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Haha we got great taste
Funny I was saying the same thing to another user, Amnesia, the other day.
I did just back out of the SaiB board buy though. Have to slow it down a wee bit and reprioritize.
But the ION is a must buy for me. Especially after I requested the numpad.
You backed out of the SaiB?.. such control
I'm in for the SaiB, but if this was going to be noticeablly more affordable I'd jump ship to this one, maybe then I wouldn't feel so guilty about it
Yeah it was hard to drop out of. But I’m planning on getting a tx cp so I’ll let that scratch my 1800 cp itch.
So many boards that are coming pretty soon that I want, Tokyo60, M0110, Rama TKL. Bah. Gonna be a tough few months ahead!
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Sun, 12 November 2017, 23:31:42
Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
I'm just trying to do something a little different, I understand that it isn't going to be everyone's cup of tea and that is fine.I prefer no f row spacing. I am used to f keys being basically aligned with the corresponding number key (not necessarily exactly above them, but the same distance/angle from them all if that makes sense). Basically I like your design best
I agree with this . The Main pic on the very first page is the best IMO, love the big block of F keys no spaces.Really dislike the large gap and the 3 dots for lights? looks very odd but i guess its your trademark?
This is what I find unique to the whole board. Love that look and hopefully liike you said 3 dots hopefully light up..
Of course they will light up. They are intended to be lock indicators, but you can do what you want with them. :thumb:
In other related news:
At this point, it's looking like the pad will be run as well. I have no definitive info on a timeline as I'm currently in the process of getting my Classic 60 wrapped up that should be ready verrrry soon, waiting on the proto and to finish up some last minute details on that but it is coming. This project will be sometime after that.
Awesome that the pad is running as well!
But take your time i’m a bit tied up in other buys at the moment and can use the time to replenish funds
OmegaSupreme I thought I’d seen you in almost every other keyboard thread I’ve been following this month!
In the same boat though (so many buys going on this month - it’s ridiculous).
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Haha we got great taste
Funny I was saying the same thing to another user, Amnesia, the other day.
I did just back out of the SaiB board buy though. Have to slow it down a wee bit and reprioritize.
But the ION is a must buy for me. Especially after I requested the numpad.
I hope this doesn’t come too soon. I do want one, I’ve been very bad the last month or so. And then there’s laser. But I do need a nice 75% at some point :O
Don’t kid yourself amnesia. I know your going to be in!
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 13 November 2017, 00:28:09
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 13 November 2017, 03:07:56
Really appreciate the support dudes, means a lot. That being said, no need to hold out on things for fear of this launching. As I've said previously, I've partnered with a vendor that I have a 60% that I will be launching before this. That board is already prototyped and about ready to go. I'm not sure of a timeframe on this board, but I'm hoping for early next year after the holidays and what not. Even if this was ready now, there is too much stuff out there right now.
This is good for me :D
Post by: KaosJ on Mon, 13 November 2017, 04:37:22
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Mon, 13 November 2017, 05:06:41
Really appreciate the support dudes, means a lot. That being said, no need to hold out on things for fear of this launching. As I've said previously, I've partnered with a vendor that I have a 60% that I will be launching before this. That board is already prototyped and about ready to go. I'm not sure of a timeframe on this board, but I'm hoping for early next year after the holidays and what not. Even if this was ready now, there is too much stuff out there right now.
Holding out saves me money hehe :)
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Mon, 13 November 2017, 16:22:34
Really appreciate the support dudes, means a lot. That being said, no need to hold out on things for fear of this launching. As I've said previously, I've partnered with a vendor that I have a 60% that I will be launching before this. That board is already prototyped and about ready to go. I'm not sure of a timeframe on this board, but I'm hoping for early next year after the holidays and what not. Even if this was ready now, there is too much stuff out there right now.
Good stuff man! This is great news haha
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Post by: gok_nz on Mon, 13 November 2017, 21:21:50
Are those 3 dots LED indicators?
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Mon, 13 November 2017, 22:13:27
I really like this layout. It fixes all my gripes with the existing 75% boards on the market but still saves more space than a TKL.
Are those 3 dots LED indicators?
Yes they are.
Post by: bciamny on Mon, 13 November 2017, 22:39:43
maybe this has been answered already and i missed it but where is the seam supposed to be on the board/numpad?
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 13 November 2017, 22:52:20
pwner i love your design language for this set. been following since your original post. i'm more of a tkl person but now that the numpad will be run too i am definitely in. great job on this thus far.
maybe this has been answered already and i missed it but where is the seam supposed to be on the board/numpad?
(http://i.imgur.com/EO6ym3O.jpg)
Post by: bciamny on Mon, 13 November 2017, 23:19:08
pwner i love your design language for this set. been following since your original post. i'm more of a tkl person but now that the numpad will be run too i am definitely in. great job on this thus far.
maybe this has been answered already and i missed it but where is the seam supposed to be on the board/numpad?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EO6ym3O.jpg)
ah makes sense when juxtaposed with the examples with the diffuser. thanks :)
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Tue, 14 November 2017, 09:26:53
pwner i love your design language for this set. been following since your original post. i'm more of a tkl person but now that the numpad will be run too i am definitely in. great job on this thus far.
maybe this has been answered already and i missed it but where is the seam supposed to be on the board/numpad?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EO6ym3O.jpg)
Pwner, is there still plans for a white version?
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 14 November 2017, 09:46:57
pwner i love your design language for this set. been following since your original post. i'm more of a tkl person but now that the numpad will be run too i am definitely in. great job on this thus far.
maybe this has been answered already and i missed it but where is the seam supposed to be on the board/numpad?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EO6ym3O.jpg)
Pwner, is there still plans for a white version?
Ideally, yes. But to be perfectly honest, I want a nice pure white personally. IMO, that is achieved by cerakote. I am going to work with my vendor and see what we can do about arranging that, but if something can't be worked out, I will at least try and get a raw finish so you would have that option if you wanted to go that route. I believe you can cerakote over anodizing, but I feel like having a nice raw finish would be ideal. This isn't my area of expertise, but I will certainly look at all options. I'll be getting more in to those details when I have a firm timeline.
Post by: shadowrealmwarez on Tue, 14 November 2017, 09:54:20
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Tue, 14 November 2017, 10:00:05
Pwner, is there still plans for a white version?
Ideally, yes. But to be perfectly honest, I want a nice pure white personally. IMO, that is achieved by cerakote. I am going to work with my vendor and see what we can do about arranging that, but if something can't be worked out, I will at least try and get a raw finish so you would have that option if you wanted to go that route. I believe you can cerakote over anodizing, but I feel like having a nice raw finish would be ideal. This isn't my area of expertise, but I will certainly look at all options. I'll be getting more in to those details when I have a firm timeline.
Awesome! I too would prefer a pure white or even a beige option kind of like the refrigerator colour of the norbatouch cases. Crossing my fingers that you can work something out.
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Tue, 14 November 2017, 10:03:31
Any plans to make the numpad attachable similar to how the Tank was made?
The issue with attachable numpads, at least for me, is the flexibility. Some people might not want to have a numpad so you might have to make two different case options, and those that do, might want to use it in different locations so you would have to account for that as well.
Not having an attachable numpad also improves aesthetics in my opinion.
Post by: eksuen on Tue, 14 November 2017, 12:01:56
pwner i love your design language for this set. been following since your original post. i'm more of a tkl person but now that the numpad will be run too i am definitely in. great job on this thus far.
maybe this has been answered already and i missed it but where is the seam supposed to be on the board/numpad?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EO6ym3O.jpg)
Pwner, is there still plans for a white version?
Ideally, yes. But to be perfectly honest, I want a nice pure white personally. IMO, that is achieved by cerakote. I am going to work with my vendor and see what we can do about arranging that, but if something can't be worked out, I will at least try and get a raw finish so you would have that option if you wanted to go that route. I believe you can cerakote over anodizing, but I feel like having a nice raw finish would be ideal. This isn't my area of expertise, but I will certainly look at all options. I'll be getting more in to those details when I have a firm timeline.
Norbauer's powder coated "Space Station White" cases are very white. Whitest I've seen to date.
Post by: Unforgivable on Tue, 14 November 2017, 12:15:22
pwner i love your design language for this set. been following since your original post. i'm more of a tkl person but now that the numpad will be run too i am definitely in. great job on this thus far.
maybe this has been answered already and i missed it but where is the seam supposed to be on the board/numpad?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EO6ym3O.jpg)
You’re making magic, sir.
White cerakote too? That’s gonna be really cool.
Post by: yuppie on Tue, 14 November 2017, 13:59:07
Post by: FoC_Tow on Tue, 14 November 2017, 14:12:41
pwner i love your design language for this set. been following since your original post. i'm more of a tkl person but now that the numpad will be run too i am definitely in. great job on this thus far.
maybe this has been answered already and i missed it but where is the seam supposed to be on the board/numpad?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EO6ym3O.jpg)
Pwner, is there still plans for a white version?
Ideally, yes. But to be perfectly honest, I want a nice pure white personally. IMO, that is achieved by cerakote. I am going to work with my vendor and see what we can do about arranging that, but if something can't be worked out, I will at least try and get a raw finish so you would have that option if you wanted to go that route. I believe you can cerakote over anodizing, but I feel like having a nice raw finish would be ideal. This isn't my area of expertise, but I will certainly look at all options. I'll be getting more in to those details when I have a firm timeline.
Norbauer's powder coated "Space Station White" cases are very white. Whitest I've seen to date.
White version would make this even more awesome.
I would prefer powder coat in terms of surface texture over a smooth/glossy cerakote personally. (Not sure if cerakote can have texture to it aswell)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 14 November 2017, 15:20:53
pwner i love your design language for this set. been following since your original post. i'm more of a tkl person but now that the numpad will be run too i am definitely in. great job on this thus far.
maybe this has been answered already and i missed it but where is the seam supposed to be on the board/numpad?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EO6ym3O.jpg)
Pwner, is there still plans for a white version?
Ideally, yes. But to be perfectly honest, I want a nice pure white personally. IMO, that is achieved by cerakote. I am going to work with my vendor and see what we can do about arranging that, but if something can't be worked out, I will at least try and get a raw finish so you would have that option if you wanted to go that route. I believe you can cerakote over anodizing, but I feel like having a nice raw finish would be ideal. This isn't my area of expertise, but I will certainly look at all options. I'll be getting more in to those details when I have a firm timeline.
Norbauer's powder coated "Space Station White" cases are very white. Whitest I've seen to date.
White version would make this even more awesome.
I would prefer powder coat in terms of surface texture over a smooth/glossy cerakote personally. (Not sure if cerakote can have texture to it aswell)
TBH I'd think cerakote would be more textured than powder coat. You can do Cerakote smooth/glossy by adding a clear coat, but it's certainly not how it starts. But that said, a powder coated white would be sick. I'm hoping for a color like Norbauer's Venice Beach for laser personally. :D
Post by: yuppie on Wed, 15 November 2017, 12:38:40
pwner i love your design language for this set. been following since your original post. i'm more of a tkl person but now that the numpad will be run too i am definitely in. great job on this thus far.
maybe this has been answered already and i missed it but where is the seam supposed to be on the board/numpad?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EO6ym3O.jpg)
Is the weight on the back three triangles or three circles? Would love some updated info on this project like estimated GB start time.
Post by: bciamny on Wed, 15 November 2017, 17:28:06
pwner i love your design language for this set. been following since your original post. i'm more of a tkl person but now that the numpad will be run too i am definitely in. great job on this thus far.
maybe this has been answered already and i missed it but where is the seam supposed to be on the board/numpad?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EO6ym3O.jpg)
Is the weight on the back three triangles or three circles? Would love some updated info on this project like estimated GB start time.
Pwner is running a 60% first and then possibly this. we probably won't see this move towards gb until Q1 2018 at the earliest.
Post by: Harms on Thu, 16 November 2017, 17:49:11
Would you know if this would be FCFS/Raffle or will everyone be able to get one?
Post by: baxxt14 on Thu, 16 November 2017, 19:23:34
Post by: DukeMugen on Fri, 24 November 2017, 00:31:37
Post by: rioc on Mon, 27 November 2017, 10:04:49
Post by: TelFiRE on Tue, 28 November 2017, 15:57:43
This is going to be my end game. Make it happen soon, PLEASE!
Not too soon plz, I has no money :'(
Post by: rioc on Tue, 28 November 2017, 15:59:50
Yeah, sameThis is going to be my end game. Make it happen soon, PLEASE!
Not too soon plz, I has no money :'(
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Post by: DukeMugen on Wed, 29 November 2017, 01:05:18
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 29 November 2017, 03:27:16
Sorry, I just have to do it. Im too hyped for this. :))
I really hope there is a bright as **** pink option like this or norbauer's Venice Beach powdercoat or something. I might even have to buy 2 :P
Post by: DukeMugen on Wed, 29 November 2017, 03:34:33
Sorry, I just have to do it. Im too hyped for this. :))
I really hope there is a bright as **** pink option like this or norbauer's Venice Beach powdercoat or something. I might even have to buy 2 :P
Hopefully there is! Magenta Cerakote!
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Post by: menuhin on Wed, 29 November 2017, 06:23:24
Yeah, sameThis is going to be my end game. Make it happen soon, PLEASE!
Not too soon plz, I has no money :'(
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+1
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 29 November 2017, 08:13:12
Post by: __foo_ on Wed, 29 November 2017, 17:15:27
The cutouts on the sides look great and ergonomic too. Would there be light coming out from those cutouts like the Duck Octagon v2 does? If there is, I'm buying this real quick >.<
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Thu, 30 November 2017, 16:53:07
Sorry, I just have to do it. Im too hyped for this. :))
I really hope there is a bright as **** pink option like this or norbauer's Venice Beach powdercoat or something. I might even have to buy 2 :P
2 of these and 2 TX 65’s??
I’m just going to quit buying stuff and get adopted by Amnesia.
It is Christmas after all right?
Post by: JSaintS on Thu, 30 November 2017, 17:11:13
Sorry, I just have to do it. Im too hyped for this. :))
God damn those look nice! I love the triangle shape for the LED indicators! would it be possible to get it as a small image for the signature? (the pink one!!!!) pretty please!
Also, general question, I assume it wouldn't be a problem but then again I'm a noob in building custom boards : would iso be supported? and is there an estimated price? I still have to read the post but asking just in case it's not already said ;D
Post by: baxxt14 on Thu, 30 November 2017, 17:29:08
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 30 November 2017, 17:32:03
Sorry, I just have to do it. Im too hyped for this. :))
I really hope there is a bright as **** pink option like this or norbauer's Venice Beach powdercoat or something. I might even have to buy 2 :P
2 of these and 2 TX 65’s??
I’m just going to quit buying stuff and get adopted by Amnesia.
It is Christmas after all right?
TBH, I might not even get both, though I do want to, probably not 2 of either unless I am getting extra for a gift. I have been very bad lately. I just am just trying to get a couple nice boards in all the layouts I'd use :P. I did end up going with the grey SaiB CP for my 1 friend, so I only need 1 more nice board for the other one. So MAYBE ill get 2 of 1 of them, maybe not. It really depends on timing. I already had to skip a few things I wanted like the pearl just cause I don't think it would get much use. Right now I'm in Laser recovery mode.
Whats really sad is I still have like 2-3 GMK sets per keyboard even with all the damage I've done to my wallet buying boards.
My real problem is I want everything and i want it all in multiple colors. It's at least getting easier to say now now that I have more stuff on the way and more colors and whatnot.
Gonna be fun to take pictures when it all finally gets here and is built and stuff though :P.
It was also easy to justify up until now since right now I only have 2 boards. A Saber-68 with Mod-Ms and a Zeal60 in a Klippe. Fortunately it's getting easier to say no to things now that I am starting to have more choices.
Still a much cheaper hobby than Home Theaters :P
Post by: Pwner on Thu, 30 November 2017, 19:33:42
Any renders with switches and caps?
Renders with caps are coming.
In love with the LED indicator triangle and the spacing!
The cutouts on the sides look great and ergonomic too. Would there be light coming out from those cutouts like the Duck Octagon v2 does? If there is, I'm buying this real quick >.<
I played around with having spots in the cutouts for underglow but that's undecided at the moment.
Sorry, I just have to do it. Im too hyped for this. :))Also, general question, I assume it wouldn't be a problem but then again I'm a noob in building custom boards : would iso be supported? and is there an estimated price? I still have to read the post but asking just in case it's not already said ;D
ISO is supported and no price estimates at the moment.
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Thu, 30 November 2017, 21:46:24
Sorry, I just have to do it. Im too hyped for this. :))
I really hope there is a bright as **** pink option like this or norbauer's Venice Beach powdercoat or something. I might even have to buy 2 :P
2 of these and 2 TX 65’s??
I’m just going to quit buying stuff and get adopted by Amnesia.
It is Christmas after all right?
TBH, I might not even get both, though I do want to, probably not 2 of either unless I am getting extra for a gift. I have been very bad lately. I just am just trying to get a couple nice boards in all the layouts I'd use :P. I did end up going with the grey SaiB CP for my 1 friend, so I only need 1 more nice board for the other one. So MAYBE ill get 2 of 1 of them, maybe not. It really depends on timing. I already had to skip a few things I wanted like the pearl just cause I don't think it would get much use. Right now I'm in Laser recovery mode.
Whats really sad is I still have like 2-3 GMK sets per keyboard even with all the damage I've done to my wallet buying boards.
My real problem is I want everything and i want it all in multiple colors. It's at least getting easier to say now now that I have more stuff on the way and more colors and whatnot.
Gonna be fun to take pictures when it all finally gets here and is built and stuff though :P.
It was also easy to justify up until now since right now I only have 2 boards. A Saber-68 with Mod-Ms and a Zeal60 in a Klippe. Fortunately it's getting easier to say no to things now that I am starting to have more choices.
Still a much cheaper hobby than Home Theaters :P
Hey it's me your friend...lol
Yeah I hear ya. I've been pretty bad myself. I am improving a bit, held off on laser. But then jumped in on GMK Camping...
But this board in white with the numpad is a non-negotiable for me!
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 30 November 2017, 22:02:52
Sorry, I just have to do it. Im too hyped for this. :))
I really hope there is a bright as **** pink option like this or norbauer's Venice Beach powdercoat or something. I might even have to buy 2 :P
2 of these and 2 TX 65’s??
I’m just going to quit buying stuff and get adopted by Amnesia.
It is Christmas after all right?
TBH, I might not even get both, though I do want to, probably not 2 of either unless I am getting extra for a gift. I have been very bad lately. I just am just trying to get a couple nice boards in all the layouts I'd use :P. I did end up going with the grey SaiB CP for my 1 friend, so I only need 1 more nice board for the other one. So MAYBE ill get 2 of 1 of them, maybe not. It really depends on timing. I already had to skip a few things I wanted like the pearl just cause I don't think it would get much use. Right now I'm in Laser recovery mode.
Whats really sad is I still have like 2-3 GMK sets per keyboard even with all the damage I've done to my wallet buying boards.
My real problem is I want everything and i want it all in multiple colors. It's at least getting easier to say now now that I have more stuff on the way and more colors and whatnot.
Gonna be fun to take pictures when it all finally gets here and is built and stuff though :P.
It was also easy to justify up until now since right now I only have 2 boards. A Saber-68 with Mod-Ms and a Zeal60 in a Klippe. Fortunately it's getting easier to say no to things now that I am starting to have more choices.
Still a much cheaper hobby than Home Theaters :P
Hey it's me your friend...lol
Yeah I hear ya. I've been pretty bad myself. I am improving a bit, held off on laser. But then jumped in on GMK Camping...
But this board in white with the numpad is a non-negotiable for me!
I still need a white board myself lol.
The numpad is also a question mark for me. I want it for completion sake. But I don’t think I would ever use it.
Post by: DukeMugen on Wed, 06 December 2017, 00:59:42
Sorry, I just have to do it. Im too hyped for this. :))
I really hope there is a bright as **** pink option like this or norbauer's Venice Beach powdercoat or something. I might even have to buy 2 :P
What you really need are CMYP colored cases.
2 of these and 2 TX 65’s??
I’m just going to quit buying stuff and get adopted by Amnesia.
It is Christmas after all right?
TBH, I might not even get both, though I do want to, probably not 2 of either unless I am getting extra for a gift. I have been very bad lately. I just am just trying to get a couple nice boards in all the layouts I'd use :P. I did end up going with the grey SaiB CP for my 1 friend, so I only need 1 more nice board for the other one. So MAYBE ill get 2 of 1 of them, maybe not. It really depends on timing. I already had to skip a few things I wanted like the pearl just cause I don't think it would get much use. Right now I'm in Laser recovery mode.
Whats really sad is I still have like 2-3 GMK sets per keyboard even with all the damage I've done to my wallet buying boards.
My real problem is I want everything and i want it all in multiple colors. It's at least getting easier to say now now that I have more stuff on the way and more colors and whatnot.
Gonna be fun to take pictures when it all finally gets here and is built and stuff though :P.
It was also easy to justify up until now since right now I only have 2 boards. A Saber-68 with Mod-Ms and a Zeal60 in a Klippe. Fortunately it's getting easier to say no to things now that I am starting to have more choices.
Still a much cheaper hobby than Home Theaters :P
Hey it's me your friend...lol
Yeah I hear ya. I've been pretty bad myself. I am improving a bit, held off on laser. But then jumped in on GMK Camping...
But this board in white with the numpad is a non-negotiable for me!
I still need a white board myself lol.
The numpad is also a question mark for me. I want it for completion sake. But I don’t think I would ever use it.
Post by: KaosJ on Wed, 06 December 2017, 03:53:54
Sorry, I just have to do it. Im too hyped for this. :))
I really hope there is a bright as **** pink option like this or norbauer's Venice Beach powdercoat or something. I might even have to buy 2 :P
What you really need are CMYP colored cases.
2 of these and 2 TX 65’s??
I’m just going to quit buying stuff and get adopted by Amnesia.
It is Christmas after all right?
TBH, I might not even get both, though I do want to, probably not 2 of either unless I am getting extra for a gift. I have been very bad lately. I just am just trying to get a couple nice boards in all the layouts I'd use :P. I did end up going with the grey SaiB CP for my 1 friend, so I only need 1 more nice board for the other one. So MAYBE ill get 2 of 1 of them, maybe not. It really depends on timing. I already had to skip a few things I wanted like the pearl just cause I don't think it would get much use. Right now I'm in Laser recovery mode.
Whats really sad is I still have like 2-3 GMK sets per keyboard even with all the damage I've done to my wallet buying boards.
My real problem is I want everything and i want it all in multiple colors. It's at least getting easier to say now now that I have more stuff on the way and more colors and whatnot.
Gonna be fun to take pictures when it all finally gets here and is built and stuff though :P.
It was also easy to justify up until now since right now I only have 2 boards. A Saber-68 with Mod-Ms and a Zeal60 in a Klippe. Fortunately it's getting easier to say no to things now that I am starting to have more choices.
Still a much cheaper hobby than Home Theaters :P
Hey it's me your friend...lol
Yeah I hear ya. I've been pretty bad myself. I am improving a bit, held off on laser. But then jumped in on GMK Camping...
But this board in white with the numpad is a non-negotiable for me!
I still need a white board myself lol.
The numpad is also a question mark for me. I want it for completion sake. But I don’t think I would ever use it.
Purple :eek:
Post by: Ravahan on Mon, 11 December 2017, 13:56:51
Really looking forward to seeing more of this and possibly getting one myself :p
Post by: __foo_ on Sun, 17 December 2017, 21:48:54
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Sun, 17 December 2017, 22:09:23
Post by: stillzman on Wed, 20 December 2017, 15:56:35
Post by: Vadurr on Wed, 20 December 2017, 16:44:25
Sorry, I just have to do it. Im too hyped for this. :))
This will probably be the only 75% board I'll ever buy :)
Post by: Pwner on Sat, 30 December 2017, 15:41:44
Is this IC still running? Haven't seen any updates for a while.
Yes it is. The OP is busy with another project he is working on but mentioned that this should hopefully get going in the next couple of months.
^ My end of that has now been finished for a week or 2. I'm currently just working on some side projects at the moment. I'll be back on this once my other project hits production stage and I get a better idea of a timeline for this one. This is far from dead, and it will be ran.. just throwing that out there. :thumb:
Post by: whentheclouds on Sat, 06 January 2018, 21:06:35
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Sat, 06 January 2018, 21:24:59
Post by: bjayswift on Sat, 06 January 2018, 22:16:33
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Post by: Pwner on Mon, 08 January 2018, 05:12:46
been a long thread so i don't remember, but have we ever explored the idea of a WKL bottom row? looks sooo good on the SINGA 75% :thumb:
Yes I did, but I'm going to leave that to her board.
Also, this has grown on me quite a bit...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4689/39574206931_f12792e350_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23i39YB)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4734/27797854649_07730beb95_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JmpgJ2)
Post by: mudcakehoney on Mon, 08 January 2018, 06:00:33
Post by: Petch on Mon, 08 January 2018, 06:15:21
Post by: ctrlX on Mon, 08 January 2018, 07:02:51
Yay fkey spacers :D :D :D+1
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 08 January 2018, 07:05:21
Show Imagebeen a long thread so i don't remember, but have we ever explored the idea of a WKL bottom row? looks sooo good on the SINGA 75% :thumb:
Yes I did, but I'm going to leave that to her board.
Also, this has grown on me quite a bit...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4689/39574206931_f12792e350_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23i39YB)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4734/27797854649_07730beb95_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JmpgJ2)
That's even better than the renders of the first post, and I already loved those!
I'm also along the ones that hope to see a numpad to go with it, I use mine a lot and would love it.
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Mon, 08 January 2018, 08:43:28
Show Imagebeen a long thread so i don't remember, but have we ever explored the idea of a WKL bottom row? looks sooo good on the SINGA 75% :thumb:
Yes I did, but I'm going to leave that to her board.
Also, this has grown on me quite a bit...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4689/39574206931_f12792e350_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23i39YB)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4734/27797854649_07730beb95_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JmpgJ2)
Guess I’m getting a red one now.
And yes, f-row spacers are the only way to go
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Post by: Asbrodeus on Mon, 08 January 2018, 08:54:00
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Mon, 08 January 2018, 11:12:24
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 08 January 2018, 11:16:16
Definitely diggin the f-key spacers!
+1 !!!
Post by: bciamny on Mon, 08 January 2018, 11:37:18
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 08 January 2018, 11:38:56
may be one of the sole voices preferring the look without the spacers. i think it could make striping the f-row or an artisan collection really standout if there were no spacers.
Damn it you... why do you have to ruin this for me?! now I can't decide whether I want an artisan row or a spaced f-row...
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Tue, 09 January 2018, 04:55:34
tl;dr the modularity of the spacers adds to versatility in both form and function.
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edit: To be honest, though, I'm having a hard time deciding myself. My vote will probably come down to whichever looks cooler to me structurally, without considering keysets and artisans. For that I need to look at them side by side:
(https://imgur.com/n0ksy9p.jpg)(https://imgur.com/6OVKGLa.jpg)
Then again, Fn row spacers make it seem a little too TKL? With a navigation column instead of an island.
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 09 January 2018, 05:26:20
I like the original look for its uniqueness, but on a more practical level I think the spacers are a better choice. They make it easier to use the fn keys by feel. If you don't have so many artisans to fill the entire F1-F12, then you have little 4-part islands to utilize. A lot of keysets have a mod-alpha-mod color pattern for F1-F4, F5-F8, etc, so with spacers it is easier to fill or partially fill each island with artisans. Without making it look weird by clashing the colors.
tl;dr the modularity of the spacers adds to versatility in both form and function.
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edit: To be honest, though, I'm having a hard time deciding myself. My vote will probably come down to whichever looks cooler to me structurally, without considering keysets and artisans. For that I need to look at them side by side:Show Image(https://imgur.com/n0ksy9p.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/6OVKGLa.jpg)
Then again, Fn row spacers make it seem a little too TKL? With a navigation column instead of an island?
Here is my logic on it:
The reason I went without spacing to begin with was because of the way I made the led cluster. While doing the final model, I realized that without the f-row spacing, there was over 1" (27.625mm to be exact) of space saved for 3 small led holes. While that looks okay in a render, I think in reality it would look a little silly to have that much wasted space.
Post by: JSaintS on Tue, 09 January 2018, 05:31:11
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 09 January 2018, 09:39:19
As silly as it may seem, I like the leds, as long as you don't touch them, I will join the buy, for the rest, I'll be happy with either option.
Leds will remain as they are. :thumb:
Post by: manzel on Tue, 09 January 2018, 09:51:21
Then again, Fn row spacers make it seem a little too TKL? With a navigation column instead of an island.I'm with you here. The F-row without spacers is a nice unique aspect of this case.
Post by: P1kas on Tue, 09 January 2018, 11:46:34
Is this happening anytime soon?
Post by: Giorgio on Tue, 09 January 2018, 12:24:33
Post by: DJ Shoko on Tue, 09 January 2018, 16:39:51
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Tue, 09 January 2018, 18:41:20
I vote spacers.
Post by: menuhin on Tue, 09 January 2018, 18:43:37
No spacing between each group of four F keys make them unusable.
+1
F keys are usually assigned or pre-defined shortcut keys for convenience in some applications.
The conventional wisdom of spacers is to make them quickly identifiable and reachable - spacers and placement next to the edge of keyboard make reaching out for the adjacent keys (e.g. the two keys right next to a spacer or the key right next to the edge of a keyboard) faster and more accurate. This is replicated in many usability and human factor research, especially after the Three Mile Island nuclear plant accident.
More
(http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/TMI-D-LAM.jpg)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 09 January 2018, 18:54:45
Show Imagebeen a long thread so i don't remember, but have we ever explored the idea of a WKL bottom row? looks sooo good on the SINGA 75% :thumb:
Yes I did, but I'm going to leave that to her board.
Also, this has grown on me quite a bit...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4689/39574206931_f12792e350_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23i39YB)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4734/27797854649_07730beb95_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JmpgJ2)
(https://i.imgur.com/g4h5bQ5.gif)
Post by: P1kas on Tue, 09 January 2018, 19:12:11
Regardless, I hope OP is looking to run this sometime this year!
Post by: vpr on Thu, 11 January 2018, 01:31:14
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Thu, 11 January 2018, 01:52:20
(https://i.imgur.com/k4ILSUh.png])(https://i.imgur.com/B7cY30M.png)
Now I know for a fact that I definitely prefer "with spacers".
Post by: Harms on Thu, 11 January 2018, 02:35:11
Hopefully you go with the f row spacers in the end :).
Post by: Ravahan on Thu, 11 January 2018, 02:50:59
Post by: SBN on Thu, 11 January 2018, 03:50:13
The board looks really nice! I usually don’t like the 75% look, but the spacers in the f row and besides the arrow cluster in combination with the led triangle make this a nice balanced look!
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 11 January 2018, 05:23:51
Post by: pon10 on Thu, 11 January 2018, 05:49:02
Post by: Tre3Cycl3S on Thu, 11 January 2018, 12:42:34
Both look great regardless though!
Post by: odd on Thu, 11 January 2018, 13:08:51
Post by: kmba on Thu, 11 January 2018, 13:16:55
Post by: dragon2668 on Thu, 11 January 2018, 21:57:04
hopefully it is not open soon cause have not any money now :D
Post by: Darknight00z on Fri, 12 January 2018, 07:50:17
Show Imagebeen a long thread so i don't remember, but have we ever explored the idea of a WKL bottom row? looks sooo good on the SINGA 75% :thumb:
Yes I did, but I'm going to leave that to her board.
Also, this has grown on me quite a bit...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4689/39574206931_f12792e350_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23i39YB)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4734/27797854649_07730beb95_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JmpgJ2)
Really digging the spacer here, though not a fan of WKL
Post by: Petch on Fri, 12 January 2018, 08:10:57
Show Imagebeen a long thread so i don't remember, but have we ever explored the idea of a WKL bottom row? looks sooo good on the SINGA 75% :thumb:
Yes I did, but I'm going to leave that to her board.
Also, this has grown on me quite a bit...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4689/39574206931_f12792e350_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23i39YB)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4734/27797854649_07730beb95_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JmpgJ2)
Really digging the spacer here, though not a fan of WKL
It isn't WKL. Unless you were going to use 3 1u keycaps on the right side of the spacebar?
Usually on a 75% your bottom row would be
1.25 | 1.25 | 1.25 | 6.25 | 1.5 | 1.5 | 1 | 1 | 1
or
1.25 | 1.25 | 1.25 | 6.25 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1
This top keeps the right half the same, but lets you go 6.25 | 1.25 | 1.25 | | 1 | 1 | 1 | instead
Post by: Darknight00z on Fri, 12 January 2018, 09:39:56
Post by: P1kas on Fri, 12 January 2018, 11:12:50
Post by: Anaconda on Fri, 12 January 2018, 18:23:25
Post by: P1kas on Fri, 12 January 2018, 20:03:53
No mentions of a GB start date as of yet.
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Sat, 13 January 2018, 03:53:12
Post by: Anaconda on Sat, 13 January 2018, 13:25:07
Edit: I cant read.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 13 January 2018, 15:16:48
Its perfectly ok to leave the WKL option to the Singa board, but steal that red ano color. That **** is drop dead gorgeous on a board. Regular reds are a bit too loud, but the red on the picture was just too good. Also a big fan of the spacers for the F Row. I can't imagine a keeb without it.
I agree that the red on SINGA is amazing. But regular red is cool for certain sets. I think black keys on a red case look pretty wicked. In a perfect world, I'd take one of each color :)
Post by: Anaconda on Sat, 13 January 2018, 16:16:16
Post by: xondat on Sat, 13 January 2018, 16:17:20
Also as i would love to see a EU proxy if possible. Loving the the design and i will buy this if it comes on sale soon enough.
No point. You wouldn't save anything much (probably less than $10), it'd take longer, and increase the chance of loss/damage/etc.
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sat, 13 January 2018, 16:33:55
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 13 January 2018, 18:36:42
Post by: Paopawdecarabao on Sat, 13 January 2018, 19:40:59
Post by: ff7 on Sun, 14 January 2018, 10:47:12
Post by: midnight2903 on Sun, 14 January 2018, 21:13:35
Post by: tectonicplate on Sun, 14 January 2018, 22:27:44
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Post by: menuhin on Sun, 14 January 2018, 23:04:31
...
Interesting use of "white space" is often what determines good design from everything else that's average and/or less considered...
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How about removing all the F-keys also, leaving a more striking area of white space?
I understand your design philosophy: devices do not need to be usable, ergonomics and usability factors are not so necessary, but they need to look good.
e.g. The many generations of single button Apple mouse.
Apple should hire you.
Post by: manzel on Mon, 15 January 2018, 02:38:02
The original render without F-row spacers nailed it. And the extra space around the LEDs is a good thing!, it's a more sophisticated composition and is more commanding overall
I agree to this.
devices do not need to be usable, ergonomics and usability factors are not so necessary, but they need to look good.
Why do you (and all the other people here) think an F row without spacers is unusable? Have you never used F keys on the Fn layer of a 60%? And do you also think the alphas are unusable because they do not have any spacers between them?
But nevertheless, I think I will be in no matter how the F row will look.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 15 January 2018, 03:47:02
I've been watching this for a while. The original render without F-row spacers nailed it. And the extra space around the LEDs is a good thing!, it's a more sophisticated composition and is more commanding overall. Interesting use of "white space" is often what determines good design from everything else that's average and/or less considered. I love that the original doesn't follow the same old, stale convention… that's what makes we want to purchase it. Too many boring votes here, disappointing to see it go the other way, it's sad to see this get watered down… I so wanted to get this. I hope the designer sticks with the original vision… I'm on this in a heartbeat if so. Also, a green case option would make this EPIC.
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You you call “sophisticated composition” I would describe as aesthetically challenged. To me with the bigger gap for the indicators is all sorts of imbalanced. Contrary what you seem to think, you can have too much white space just as easy as you can have too little.
That said, there is little point in continuing this debate. You will never convince me that it looks better in the old render, and I will never convince you it looks better in the new.
He will make a choice and that is what we get, no way will we please everyone.
For me, if he goes with blockers, this will be THE 75% keyboard in my collection, without I’ll hold off until I find something that fits my aesthetic and a bunch of other people will be extremely happy with their Xeno. I’m good in either case cause no matter what someone’s getting awesome keyboards.
Post by: Rayoui on Mon, 15 January 2018, 06:15:58
Why do you (and all the other people here) think an F row without spacers is unusable? Have you never used F keys on the Fn layer of a 60%? And do you also think the alphas are unusable because they do not have any spacers between them?
It doesn't make them unusable but it is far less efficient. On a standard F-row with spacers, you can find and use the keys easily without looking down at they keyboard. Without spacers, this is a lot harder. A 60% won't have this problem because the F-keys correspond to the standard number row placement and can be accessed without moving your hands from the home row.
As far as design philosophy, particularly for tools (like keyboards), I tend toward function over form. If it looks good while doing it, so much the better. And the Xeno (with spacers :p ) looks damn good.
Post by: whentheclouds on Mon, 15 January 2018, 06:38:44
Post by: Unforgivable on Mon, 15 January 2018, 20:57:14
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Mon, 15 January 2018, 21:05:19
It doesn't make them unusable but it is far less efficient. On a standard F-row with spacers, you can find and use the keys easily without looking down at they keyboard. Without spacers, this is a lot harder. A 60% won't have this problem because the F-keys correspond to the standard number row placement and can be accessed without moving your hands from the home row.
As far as design philosophy, particularly for tools (like keyboards), I tend toward function over form. If it looks good while doing it, so much the better. And the Xeno (with spacers :p ) looks damn good.
Everything in this post summarizes how I feel about having Fn row spacers. There needs to be some tactile guidance for any keys that are not reachable within the home row if you plan to use the keys without looking. And those spacers are it. The same is true for the TKL navigation cluster, where the same spacing solution works very well. Just talk to anyone that prefers WKL boards and tell them they're functionally wrong for preferring a spacer instead of a winkey.
I have a 60% TEX Yoda II and a 40% planck. The reason those Fn keys work so well, despite being hidden behind layers, is their close proximity to the alphas. I can't imagine trying to accurately touch-type dedicated Fn keys that are above the number row.
Then of course, they look WAY better. This is based on my, and many others, opinion from looking at the renders with keycaps. I can't really argue against anyone's opinion regarding aesthetics. But I will say that if there is a 50/50 split of preference, IMO function over form should be the tie breaker.
Post by: Ravahan on Tue, 16 January 2018, 02:50:39
Post by: japancakes on Wed, 17 January 2018, 13:43:15
Post by: Petch on Thu, 18 January 2018, 06:17:48
I've been watching this for a while. The original render without F-row spacers nailed it. And the extra space around the LEDs is a good thing!, it's a more sophisticated composition and is more commanding overall. Interesting use of "white space" is often what determines good design from everything else that's average and/or less considered. I love that the original doesn't follow the same old, stale convention… that's what makes we want to purchase it. Too many boring votes here, disappointing to see it go the other way, it's sad to see this get watered down… I so wanted to get this. I hope the designer sticks with the original vision… I'm on this in a heartbeat if so. Also, a green case option would make this EPIC.
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You act as if fkey spacers on 75% is the norm
It's not
Post by: merintil on Thu, 18 January 2018, 10:05:45
Regardless of which style is chosen, I am eagerly awaiting for this keyboard (and potentially keypad) to hit the group buy phase.
Post by: mike-y on Thu, 18 January 2018, 10:40:29
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 18 January 2018, 15:59:00
(https://i.imgur.com/80iAz3T.jpg)
The Chinese are so quick in copying, but slow in perfecting, and perhaps impossible to invent on their own.
Anyway, KBDfans is a top-tier company amidst all other indie makers and small groups - the 5° case is a real game changer, although heavily inspired by LeandreN's FJELL (which is in turns heavily inspired by Apple keyboard M0110).
Oh wait, Hammer is probably from Taiwan, i.e. Chinese - and Hammer case's unique design still has an irreplaceable position in MK community.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 19 January 2018, 09:16:25
KBD 19xShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/80iAz3T.jpg)
The Chinese are so quick in copying, but slow in perfecting, and perhaps impossible to invent on their own.
Anyway, KBDfans is a top-tier company amidst all other indie makers and small groups - the 5° case is a real game changer, although heavily inspired by LeandreN's FJELL (which is in turns heavily inspired by Apple keyboard M0110).
Oh wait, Hammer is probably from Taiwan, i.e. Chinese - and Hammer case's unique design still has an irreplaceable position in MK community.
Interesting. I don't know if you've watched this, but it explains a lot:
The video claims that the concept of IP is mostly foreign (as perhaps it should be) to people who live in countries outside of the capitalist mainstream. Imagine if all hardware was seen as opensource, just like we prefer our software. Welcome to Shenzhen.
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 19 January 2018, 09:51:05
KBD 19xShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/80iAz3T.jpg)
The Chinese are so quick in copying, but slow in perfecting, and perhaps impossible to invent on their own.
Anyway, KBDfans is a top-tier company amidst all other indie makers and small groups - the 5° case is a real game changer, although heavily inspired by LeandreN's FJELL (which is in turns heavily inspired by Apple keyboard M0110).
Oh wait, Hammer is probably from Taiwan, i.e. Chinese - and Hammer case's unique design still has an irreplaceable position in MK community.
Interesting. I don't know if you've watched this, but it explains a lot:
The video claims that the concept of IP is mostly foreign (as perhaps it should be) to people who live in countries outside of the capitalist mainstream. Imagine if all hardware was seen as opensource, just like we prefer our software. Welcome to Shenzhen.
I think instead of "capitalism" (which China in indeed extreme capitalist, e.g. in Shenzhen there is virtually no limit what people can do with huge wealth because law enforcers become flexible for them, compared to in the US, with the CIA and such), it is more about different concepts of how the society should be governed: by people or by written law.
In the West, the wealthy people get everything because they can pour huge amount of money to have the best lawyers to tell people they are correct in every way; in the east, the wealthy people get everything because they know the high officials in power, the enforcers and interpreters of flexible laws. In the West, the politicians help the riches to hack the system; in the east, it is more like the politicians are the system itself.
"That is clever, let me also do something in the same / a similar way" - perhaps that was how people used to think in a non-lawyers-plagued, more primitive society when survival and basic functioning of everything, e.g. farming and machines are still of utmost priority and the constitutional rights and vested interests are protected mostly by force and by people instead of by law.
In China, what is more important is probably not the law, but what the police (and the governments) allows you to do or not; and usually enforcement of law is flexible different from people to people who enforce it. This is actually quite typical Asian, until they evolve from personal negotiations to dealing with each other via legal procedures.
Post by: Gajible on Fri, 19 January 2018, 10:02:18
Post by: Funktion on Fri, 19 January 2018, 17:56:56
Also, I love the spacers for the function row and would kill for the matching num pad. For my current TKL board I built a custom wood wrist rest but for this one, I want to make a modular solution that can "lock-in" the num pad for when I need it. Probably an ebony or dark walnut this time around. Now for the hardest part, waiting....
Post by: Kango_V on Sat, 20 January 2018, 09:26:18
Post by: JSaintS on Sat, 20 January 2018, 09:27:46
Would it not be better to have an extra key upon the right to join the lonely one? The leds could go in a vertical arrangement between f12 and this extra key.
Don't you dare touch the LEDs! :P those three dots are part of the design for me, I really like their location and layout
Post by: P1kas on Sat, 20 January 2018, 14:22:04
Would it not be better to have an extra key upon the right to join the lonely one? The leds could go in a vertical arrangement between f12 and this extra key.
I prefer having the gap with LEDs in the middle.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 20 January 2018, 16:12:34
Would it not be better to have an extra key upon the right to join the lonely one? The leds could go in a vertical arrangement between f12 and this extra key.
no
Post by: kmba on Sat, 20 January 2018, 18:48:57
Would it not be better to have an extra key upon the right to join the lonely one? The leds could go in a vertical arrangement between f12 and this extra key.
no
(https://i.imgur.com/YsSqUHd.jpg)
Post by: Kango_V on Sun, 21 January 2018, 05:53:44
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Sun, 21 January 2018, 06:17:16
Post by: rmendis on Sun, 21 January 2018, 06:53:55
Will probably skip if the f-row spacers are there, but understand that it may be more appealing to some that way.
Post by: rmendis on Sun, 21 January 2018, 07:00:07
Dang, the unbroken aesthetic of the F row is what did it for me originally. Bummer about the spacers.
Exactly, Gabe. It takes away significantly from the original, unique aesthetic. Really sad to see the spacers come in. And the arguments for tactile need seem to ignore the dozens of layouts that people are using every day without f-row spacers.
Will be very sadly unsubscribing here. It was the only board I was looking forward to.
Post by: KaosJ on Sun, 21 January 2018, 07:13:54
This was much more unique without the f-row spacers. Now it is starting to look more like a TKL top row. =/
Will probably skip if the f-row spacers are there, but understand that it may be more appealing to some that way.
This, i agree that the no spacers option was more unique and better, by using spacers, a TKL would be the go to imho
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/raging_pwner/37468787514/)
Post by: Pwner on Sun, 21 January 2018, 07:25:06
*This wont serve as a be all, end all. I would just like to see where the majority lies.
.. So I can do the opposite.
Post by: KaosJ on Sun, 21 January 2018, 07:46:13
.. So I can do the opposite.
inb4: removing totally the f-row
Post by: SBN on Sun, 21 January 2018, 08:44:27
It takes away significantly from the original, unique aesthetic. [...] And the arguments for tactile need seem to ignore the dozens of layouts [...] without f-row spacers.
Post by: rmendis on Sun, 21 January 2018, 09:42:31
It takes away significantly from the original, unique aesthetic. [...] And the arguments for tactile need seem to ignore the dozens of layouts [...] without f-row spacers.
There were some points made in favor of the f-row spacers earlier in the thread, because the space provides a "tactile" gap to know which f-key you are on. However, there are many popular keyboards without f-row gaps that people use.
Post by: Funktion on Sun, 21 January 2018, 10:01:51
For me, the spacing between the number row and the function row is the crucial element. So ultimately I'm happy with either one.
Post by: SBN on Sun, 21 January 2018, 10:17:56
It takes away significantly from the original, unique aesthetic. [...] And the arguments for tactile need seem to ignore the dozens of layouts [...] without f-row spacers.
There were some points made in favor of the f-row spacers earlier in the thread, because the space provides a "tactile" gap to know which f-key you are on. However, there are many popular keyboards without f-row gaps that people use.
I just wanted to point out (not even completely serious), that you said this unique aesthetic can be found in dozens of keyboards.
Like I said, it was more of a joke...
We will see what the final board will look like! :)
Post by: rmendis on Sun, 21 January 2018, 10:20:21
It takes away significantly from the original, unique aesthetic. [...] And the arguments for tactile need seem to ignore the dozens of layouts [...] without f-row spacers.
There were some points made in favor of the f-row spacers earlier in the thread, because the space provides a "tactile" gap to know which f-key you are on. However, there are many popular keyboards without f-row gaps that people use.
I just wanted to point out (not even completely serious), that you said this unique aesthetic can be found in dozens of leyboards.
Like I said, it was more of a joke...
We will see what the final board will look like! :)
Ah, I see. Lol.
What made the original design unique to me, was the separate f-row without the spacers. Having a separate f-row with spacers is just a tkl f-row, imo.
I'm definitely in the minority here, so just making a desperate attempt to convince people to stick with the original design. =)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 21 January 2018, 12:45:04
It takes away significantly from the original, unique aesthetic. [...] And the arguments for tactile need seem to ignore the dozens of layouts [...] without f-row spacers.
There were some points made in favor of the f-row spacers earlier in the thread, because the space provides a "tactile" gap to know which f-key you are on. However, there are many popular keyboards without f-row gaps that people use.
I just wanted to point out (not even completely serious), that you said this unique aesthetic can be found in dozens of leyboards.
Like I said, it was more of a joke...
We will see what the final board will look like! :)
Ah, I see. Lol.
What made the original design unique to me, was the separate f-row without the spacers. Having a separate f-row with spacers is just a tkl f-row, imo.
I'm definitely in the minority here, so just making a desperate attempt to convince people to stick with the original design. =)
The thing you are ignoring is there are lots of people like me with no TKL and larger boards. I have no interest in anything larger than 75%, which means the only current options are all 75% with no spacers. This with spacers IS the unique one, and thus that is what appeals to me. Without spacers, to me, it’s just a normal 75% that’s missing a key and is slightly harder to use.
I totally get the similarity to TKL, but that is a feature in a keyboard that I don’t currently possess. Also, the spacers aren’t the same unless I’m missing something. They are a bit more compact that a TKL.
Part of why I don’t like no gap is sets with alternating fkey colors. With spacers I think this looks cleaner.
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 21 January 2018, 13:00:13
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Post by: menuhin on Sun, 21 January 2018, 13:19:40
...
...
... the only current options are all 75% with no spacers. This with spacers IS the unique one
...Without spacers, to me, it’s just a normal 75% that’s missing a key and is slightly harder to use.
...the spacers aren’t the same unless I’m missing something. They are a bit more compact than a TKL.
... with alternating fkey colors. With spacers I think this looks cleaner.
You totally speak my mind. :thumb:
Post by: manzel on Sun, 21 January 2018, 13:31:46
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 21 January 2018, 13:35:23
But most keysets contain a second set of F5-F8 anyway so that you can have a single-colored F row.
Your definition of most is different than mine.
I just went through 15 of my GMK sets. 4 offer single color F rows. 11 don't.
That's not what I call most.
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 21 January 2018, 13:35:34
But most keysets contain a second set of F5-F8 anyway so that you can have a single-colored F row.
I own quite a few keysets and a lot/most of them don't actually have that second set of F5-F8.
Post by: manzel on Sun, 21 January 2018, 13:47:55
Post by: Kango_V on Sun, 21 January 2018, 14:35:36
Post by: P1kas on Sun, 21 January 2018, 14:55:57
So, if there is a space between F4 and F5, why no space between 4 and 5? Just saying ;)
Because typically custom keyboard layouts don't mess with the number row spacing
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 21 January 2018, 15:07:15
So, if there is a space between F4 and F5, why no space between 4 and 5? Just saying ;)
Because function keys and number keys aren't the same? And number keys are usually all the same color?
There is also a space between Esc and F1, are you also advocating for adding a space between ~` and 1? No? Then chillax with the strawman arguments.
Post by: Pwner on Sun, 21 January 2018, 17:14:13
For reference, even with spacers this is nearly the same footprint as a typical 75. The only difference is it's a few mm's taller.
Post by: rmendis on Sun, 21 January 2018, 22:30:54
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Sun, 21 January 2018, 23:17:43
(https://i.imgur.com/k4ILSUh.png])(https://i.imgur.com/B7cY30M.png)
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 21 January 2018, 23:27:31
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 21 January 2018, 23:41:55
I still think the new one shares more style similarity with a TKL than a 75%. I'm not surprised people like the spacers, given the popularity of TKLs. That said, there are plenty of TKLs, and nothing like the original, that has a separate f-row without spacing, that I've seen. In any case, I'm in the minority. =)
Once again, there are many people like me who have no TKL or larger boards and have no interest in having one. You say people like this because it’s similar to TKL, but to me it seems rather the opposite, it’s unapealing to you because you feel it is similar to tkl that you have. Not that people are desperate for a 75% that is somehow (to you) reminiscent of a TKL.
To me it is appealing because blockers is less like a standard 75% which don’t appeal to me at all.
This is basically the largest board I would ever consider. And it would be the only >75% board I see myself getting if it comes to pass.
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Sun, 21 January 2018, 23:44:09
I actually read the survey wrong initially, so I'm in the same boar as fatpolomanjr and rmendis. No spacers ftw.
For the record, I'm for spacers. I slept through the entire polling period so my vote wasn't included. X(
I'm just backing up rmendis a bit with pretty much the only thing that could sway me to the no-spacers camp.
Post by: Harms on Mon, 22 January 2018, 00:22:22
I still think the new one shares more style similarity with a TKL than a 75%. I'm not surprised people like the spacers, given the popularity of TKLs. That said, there are plenty of TKLs, and nothing like the original, that has a separate f-row without spacing, that I've seen. In any case, I'm in the minority. =)
Once again, there are many people like me who have no TKL or larger boards and have no interest in having one. You say people like this because it’s similar to TKL, but to me it seems rather the opposite, it’s unapealing to you because you feel it is similar to tkl that you have. Not that people are desperate for a 75% that is somehow (to you) reminiscent of a TKL.
To me it is appealing because blockers is less like a standard 75% which don’t appeal to me at all.
This is basically the largest board I would ever consider. And it would be the only >75% board I see myself getting if it comes to pass.
Yea exactly people say it looks like a TKL and that it is not unique.
However, how many 75% boards out there have F row spacers? Cannot think of any on the top of my head.
Post by: rmendis on Mon, 22 January 2018, 01:06:32
Original design has two unique features:
1. 75% with separate top row
2. Separate top row with no spacers
New design has one unique feature:
1. 75% with separate top row
Cheers!
Post by: rmendis on Mon, 22 January 2018, 01:13:11
Splitting the entire F-row on a 75% keyboard already made it somewhat similar to a TKL, just with a navigation cluster that is vertical instead of on an island, and closer arrow keys. With actual keycaps on the F-row it still looks kind of like a TKL, with or without the spacers. To me, the best thing about no spacers is having an entire display area for artisans. But that reasoning is probably less than a minority.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/k4ILSUh.png])Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/B7cY30M.png)
Thanks for the side-by-side renders! I agree the spacing is minimal, but it's still there (sort of like a TX-CP).
And yes, it would have made a nice row for artisans, although, shockingly, that wasn't the first thing that came to mind. =)
Post by: Randalljai on Mon, 22 January 2018, 01:32:54
Can't wait to see the final product :) I should be in either way, just all depends on money :(
Post by: rioc on Mon, 22 January 2018, 01:33:14
Here's what I mean about the uniqueness aspect of the original vs new design...
Original design has two unique features:
1. 75% with separate top row
2. Separate top row with no spacers
New design has one unique feature:
1. 75% with separate top row
Cheers!
not quite correct, it'd also have separate top row with spacers... it's unique to 75% boards, unless you know of one that has that?
anyway, idc and will most likely get into this GB no matter what
Post by: rmendis on Mon, 22 January 2018, 01:36:21
I agree it's a cool design either way. Technically, you then fall into the "don't care either way camp", which I suspect most people are in.
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Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 22 January 2018, 02:08:22
Here's what I mean about the uniqueness aspect of the original vs new design...
Original design has two unique features:
1. 75% with separate top row
2. 75% with separate top row with no spacers
New design has one unique feature:
1. 75% with separate top row
2. 75% with separate top row with spacers
3. 75% that can elegantly use alternating color f-keys
Cheers!
Fixt.
You can't pretend the board exists just cause you like the alternative better. They are both equally unique, you just like one better.
Post by: rmendis on Mon, 22 January 2018, 06:19:53
Here's what I mean about the uniqueness aspect of the original vs new design...
Original design has two unique features:
1. 75% with separate top row
2. 75% with separate top row with no spacers
New design has one unique feature:
1. 75% with separate top row
2. 75% with separate top row with spacers
3. 75% that can elegantly use alternating color f-keys
Cheers!
Fixt.
You can't pretend the board exists just cause you like the alternative better. They are both equally unique, you just like one better.
Now you have combined the features so that each bullet overlaps. Lol.
You also added a third item, alternating colors, which is a matter of preference not uniqueness. You could do the same thing for the original design for people who don't like alternating colors, or who prefer an unbroken row of artisans.
The point is simple: one design has a unique top row, and one does not.
Post by: kmba on Mon, 22 January 2018, 07:44:39
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 22 January 2018, 16:19:41
1. To Pwner: When I look at the implementation of the triangular LED of KBDFans, I am not so impressed, i.e. there is totally no surprise or wow factor to my eyes.
Please see if some details of implementation may make it look better, e.g. have it milled tapered from the surface to the level of LED may help?
2. I hate TKL and bigger boards because of limited desk space at home, but I have used many keyboards instead of just looking at them, have been programming in various languages for a few decades - and shortcut keys on the F-row are quite important.
I was using some 75% keyboard at home, while in my office, I use a full-size keyboard.
Pwner's design of this 75% first caught my eyes because of the clever and ergonomic use of spaces to separate Esc, Backspace and the arrow cluster. Esc and Backspace are perhaps already at the corner, but I can tell users can definitely hit the left-arrow key faster than one of those 75% keyboards on the market. It just all makes sense, and I didn't think of the F-row much because of that special design - I was thinking the F-keys being more difficult to locate is just unavoidable for 75%.
"Wa-lah", look what we have here - a 75% will also spacers added to all the right place - to facilitate key reach, and it is aesthetically very pleasing also.
Post by: rmendis on Mon, 22 January 2018, 23:31:16
It just looks better aesthetically
That's a matter of opinion.
and it's more functional with spacers.
Perhaps true
The poll results are heavily slanted.
Definitely true
Post by: Etherealsound on Thu, 25 January 2018, 00:07:00
Post by: rinkaan on Thu, 25 January 2018, 00:18:49
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Post by: tectonicplate on Thu, 25 January 2018, 10:14:33
Post by: Funktion on Thu, 25 January 2018, 22:01:45
Post by: rioc on Fri, 26 January 2018, 01:23:44
Ignore the hate Pwner. If you build it they will group buy!
true... don't really care about the pissing contest about spacers or no... I just want your design man :) and will buy regardlessly
Post by: KaosJ on Fri, 26 January 2018, 09:37:51
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gsmsaWe.jpg)
For reference, even with spacers this is nearly the same footprint as a typical 75. The only difference is it's a few mm's taller.
So the evil side of the people just won :(
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Sun, 28 January 2018, 12:01:03
Post by: Funktion on Sun, 28 January 2018, 13:55:23
I know there's a ton of attention being given to the 75% (rightfully so seeing how nice it looks) but is the Zenopad still likely to get ran? That to me is the main thing keeping me attached to this project.
I agree but I'm trying not to get my hopes up for it. The main board is all I'm really expecting. And with any luck maybe we will get an e.t.a soon.
Post by: rmendis on Sun, 28 January 2018, 13:55:37
Ignore the hate Pwner. If you build it they will group buy!
I don't see any hate. Just a discussion of two different design options.
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Sun, 28 January 2018, 18:51:42
I know there's a ton of attention being given to the 75% (rightfully so seeing how nice it looks) but is the Zenopad still likely to get ran? That to me is the main thing keeping me attached to this project.
I agree but I'm trying not to get my hopes up for it. The main board is all I'm really expecting. And with any luck maybe we will get an e.t.a soon.
Ah well. There are always other projects to back I suppose. Maybe someday in the future.
Post by: Aktavate on Mon, 29 January 2018, 00:36:22
Post by: p_blaze on Thu, 08 February 2018, 10:04:05
Post by: DukeMugen on Wed, 14 February 2018, 04:40:14
What do you fellas think?
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 14 February 2018, 05:27:17
So I had an idea. Why not just make it convertible so that the case can have both spaced and no space F-rows. Same principle goes to the bottom row if people wants a winkeyless, hhkb or standard Xeno layout.
What do you fellas think?
That idea was tossed around but then that leads to a swiss cheese f-row and I prefer to keep that to a bare minimum wherever possible, as well as the obvious need to offer 2 tops which I would also prefer to avoid.
Post by: Geass on Mon, 26 February 2018, 15:45:02
BTW: The board looks absolutely gorgeous!
Post by: P1kas on Mon, 26 February 2018, 18:49:37
Post by: Funktion on Wed, 28 February 2018, 23:28:58
Post by: Anaconda on Tue, 06 March 2018, 21:45:01
Post by: kmba on Wed, 07 March 2018, 10:15:29
Post by: xondat on Wed, 07 March 2018, 10:24:10
Ion is listed on the typemachina site..hrmmm
who isn't :))
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 07 March 2018, 10:31:02
Ion is listed on the typemachina site..hrmmmHype
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Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 07 March 2018, 11:38:19
Ion is listed on the typemachina site..hrmmm
The project on typemachina is the classic60 though. But I'm sure the 75 could show up there as well.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 07 March 2018, 12:22:08
Ion is listed on the typemachina site..hrmmm
The project on typemachina is the classic60 though. But I'm sure the 75 could show up there as well.
I believe the plan is for both of them to be through TM, just classic is first.
Post by: Darknight00z on Wed, 07 March 2018, 13:20:03
Post by: p_blaze on Wed, 07 March 2018, 13:22:03
Whats the link to the typemachina website?
Typemachina.com
lol
Post by: Funktion on Sat, 17 March 2018, 20:10:08
Seems the conversation is dying out.
Post by: Pwner on Sat, 17 March 2018, 21:02:57
Any news or progress happening behind the scenes on this?
Seems the conversation is dying out.
Always. Working out PCB things and other details. As stated, my 60% project is first, and while that is about ready, there was still some things that had to be done to get it up. I've been super busy with real life work but this isn't dead. Updates will be posted as I have them.
Post by: Venichee on Sun, 29 April 2018, 21:08:28
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 30 April 2018, 01:33:10
Any new updates? This is legitimately my dream keyboard and I want it so badly, ugggh.
Unfortunately still waiting on things with the planned vendor. I do have updates/details for the board itself that I will be updating when it's closer to prototype time. Board is about 99% ready at this point.
I know it is taking a while, but it will be worth it and I appreciate the people who are sticking with me.
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Mon, 30 April 2018, 16:08:00
A little off topic, but how is progress on the classic60? Looking forward to that!Any new updates? This is legitimately my dream keyboard and I want it so badly, ugggh.
Unfortunately still waiting on things with the planned vendor. I do have updates/details for the board itself that I will be updating when it's closer to prototype time. Board is about 99% ready at this point.
I know it is taking a while, but it will be worth it and I appreciate the people who are sticking with me.
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 01 May 2018, 01:34:36
Unfortunately still waiting on things with the planned vendor. I do have updates/details for the board itself that I will be updating when it's closer to prototype time. Board is about 99% ready at this point.
I know it is taking a while, but it will be worth it and I appreciate the people who are sticking with me.
Can't wait to hear more when new developments are available.
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Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 01 May 2018, 08:20:03
Post by: rioc on Tue, 01 May 2018, 09:22:36
Speaking of the classic60, now that we have confirmation of SA retro with PETSCII side legends running this summer... I'd say we've got a chance to build a stunner of a board.
what? aw man... why keep ruining rare sets :-\
Post by: dc_in_sf on Sun, 06 May 2018, 23:57:11
Post by: __foo_ on Mon, 28 May 2018, 00:40:39
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 28 May 2018, 01:17:42
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Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 28 May 2018, 02:07:06
Show Image
Oh hey
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Yes plz
Post by: Koatl on Mon, 28 May 2018, 02:17:53
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Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 28 May 2018, 03:31:32
Ruining? C'mon. That's ridiculous.Speaking of the classic60, now that we have confirmation of SA retro with PETSCII side legends running this summer... I'd say we've got a chance to build a stunner of a board.
what? aw man... why keep ruining rare sets :-\
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Post by: whentheclouds on Mon, 28 May 2018, 06:49:57
Post by: Remsky on Mon, 28 May 2018, 12:26:43
Post by: foxmancore on Mon, 28 May 2018, 23:36:57
Post by: Geass on Tue, 29 May 2018, 09:02:36
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Post by: Anaconda on Thu, 31 May 2018, 23:43:08
Post by: Kafka on Fri, 01 June 2018, 07:35:31
Post by: Remsky on Fri, 01 June 2018, 09:41:19
can i have iso smk support?You can have US ISO support
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 01 June 2018, 16:57:35
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 01 June 2018, 17:06:10
Have you ditched iso? it's not in the layout option graph. If you going to ditch the universal plate have you considered fixed ansi and iso plates? i'd pay $5-10 extra for an iso only plate.would like to get iso as well :p
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 01 June 2018, 17:27:03
Have you ditched iso? it's not in the layout option graph. If you going to ditch the universal plate have you considered fixed ansi and iso plates? i'd pay $5-10 extra for an iso only plate.would like to get iso as well :p
Just keep it off the ansi plate :P
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 02 June 2018, 06:24:17
two separate plates are superior anyway :p :p :p!Have you ditched iso? it's not in the layout option graph. If you going to ditch the universal plate have you considered fixed ansi and iso plates? i'd pay $5-10 extra for an iso only plate.would like to get iso as well :p
Just keep it off the ansi plate :P
Post by: Darknight00z on Sat, 02 June 2018, 12:04:33
Post by: lac29 on Sat, 02 June 2018, 18:57:25
I am skipping Eve meteor for this!
I think I'm doing the same!
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 02 June 2018, 19:59:38
I am skipping Eve meteor for this!
I think I'm doing the same!
Me three.
Post by: Eggplant on Sat, 02 June 2018, 20:07:46
I am skipping Eve meteor for this!
I think I'm doing the same!
Me three.
While we're all chiming in, me four; although, the price-point on the meteor does make it quite tempting.
So many boards, too little money. :'(
Post by: metalliccharles on Sat, 02 June 2018, 21:32:33
Post by: Pwner on Sat, 02 June 2018, 22:03:53
Colors? Black, red, blue, silver/gray. Not 100%. I will most likely put a poll up very soon.
Price? TBD
It's been a long time, but it's coming. Thanks for sticking with me.
Post by: xondat on Sat, 02 June 2018, 22:23:22
Post by: Anaconda on Sat, 02 June 2018, 22:31:07
Post by: mudcakehoney on Sun, 03 June 2018, 01:24:07
Post by: JSaintS on Sun, 03 June 2018, 02:54:44
ISO? No, sorry.
Damn it... Now that probably means I'm out :-/ really wanted ISO support...
And does the fact that the thread became "Xeno 75%" mean that you will drop the numpad? Cause I was waiting for this one as well.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sun, 03 June 2018, 03:44:31
don’t understand why it’s bad/ difficult to support iso
Post by: Pwner on Sun, 03 June 2018, 04:01:07
And does the fact that the thread became "Xeno 75%" mean that you will drop the numpad? Cause I was waiting for this one as well.
It's not dead, but it will likely not drop the same time as the board. In order for this board to come out this century, I had to make new arrangements and work with what I have available to me. The main board is the #1 priority for me at the moment.
i think i am out without iso support
Sorry to hear that.
Post by: JSaintS on Sun, 03 June 2018, 04:04:39
It's not dead, but it will likely not drop the same time as the board. In order for this board to come out this century, I had to make new arrangements and work with what I have available to me. The main board is the #1 priority for me at the moment.
Sorry to hear that.
Totally understandable. I will wait for the Xenopad then, sadly I won't join for the main board due to the lack of ISO compatibility.
Post by: mkarlsson on Sun, 03 June 2018, 07:55:01
Post by: Anaconda on Sun, 03 June 2018, 10:13:16
Post by: Wilba on Sun, 03 June 2018, 10:23:52
Post by: johngodsmith on Mon, 04 June 2018, 02:39:50
I’m loving the burgundy boards coming out lately, Xeno would look very sharp in burgundy tooInterested in upcoming colors as well
A dark emerald green or deep metallic blue would be pretty cool too
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Post by: P1kas on Mon, 04 June 2018, 02:58:56
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
Post by: blacksimon on Mon, 04 June 2018, 03:03:31
at the very least you should support the universally used layout of house elves
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 04 June 2018, 03:04:02
I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
So the PCB will be iso compatible but not the plate, am I getting that right?
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 04 June 2018, 03:05:33
I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
So the PCB will be iso compatible but not the plate, am I getting that right?
Neither will support it.
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 04 June 2018, 03:08:08
I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
So the PCB will be iso compatible but not the plate, am I getting that right?
Neither will support it.
Yeah that's what I thought... Which ... I mean... I don't know, I hate when that happens, I get people don't want to support weird layout or split spacebar and stuff, but ANSI/ISO are must haves IMHO. Oh well... Good luck with your project
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 04 June 2018, 03:30:56
I don’t understand it either. Why is ISO compatibility a bad thing? The missing support for ISO hurts the project a lot. Just look at the recent posts- so many people will pass on this because of that.I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
So the PCB will be iso compatible but not the plate, am I getting that right?
Neither will support it.
Yeah that's what I thought... Which ... I mean... I don't know, I hate when that happens, I get people don't want to support weird layout or split spacebar and stuff, but ANSI/ISO are must haves IMHO. Oh well... Good luck with your project
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 04 June 2018, 03:39:55
I don’t understand it either. Why is ISO compatibility a bad thing? The missing support for ISO hurts the project a lot. Just look at the recent posts- so many people will pass on this because of that.I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
So the PCB will be iso compatible but not the plate, am I getting that right?
Neither will support it.
Yeah that's what I thought... Which ... I mean... I don't know, I hate when that happens, I get people don't want to support weird layout or split spacebar and stuff, but ANSI/ISO are must haves IMHO. Oh well... Good luck with your project
It really doesn't. In a perfect world I would do a single layout because that's what I want in a board. I understand the frustration it's just my personal choice as well as my pcb designers. The most valuable boards in this community are ansi only. I took a lot of inspiration from them to try and make the best feeling and sounding board I could.
If you can source a pcb, I will make you an iso only plate.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 04 June 2018, 04:27:55
thank you for your fast reply. Maybe I was a bit rude, sorry. Is the case compatible with the kbd75 pcb?I don’t understand it either. Why is ISO compatibility a bad thing? The missing support for ISO hurts the project a lot. Just look at the recent posts- so many people will pass on this because of that.I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
So the PCB will be iso compatible but not the plate, am I getting that right?
Neither will support it.
Yeah that's what I thought... Which ... I mean... I don't know, I hate when that happens, I get people don't want to support weird layout or split spacebar and stuff, but ANSI/ISO are must haves IMHO. Oh well... Good luck with your project
It really doesn't. In a perfect world I would do a single layout because that's what I want in a board. I understand the frustration it's just my personal choice as well as my pcb designers. The most valuable boards in this community are ansi only. I took a lot of inspiration from them to try and make the best feeling and sounding board I could.
If you can source a pcb, I will make you an iso only plate.
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 04 June 2018, 04:44:32
thank you for your fast reply. Maybe I was a bit rude, sorry. Is the case compatible with the kbd75 pcb?I don’t understand it either. Why is ISO compatibility a bad thing? The missing support for ISO hurts the project a lot. Just look at the recent posts- so many people will pass on this because of that.I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
So the PCB will be iso compatible but not the plate, am I getting that right?
Neither will support it.
Yeah that's what I thought... Which ... I mean... I don't know, I hate when that happens, I get people don't want to support weird layout or split spacebar and stuff, but ANSI/ISO are must haves IMHO. Oh well... Good luck with your project
It really doesn't. In a perfect world I would do a single layout because that's what I want in a board. I understand the frustration it's just my personal choice as well as my pcb designers. The most valuable boards in this community are ansi only. I took a lot of inspiration from them to try and make the best feeling and sounding board I could.
If you can source a pcb, I will make you an iso only plate.
That would be a no. The Xeno will have a space between the alphas and the F-row whereas the kbd75 does not.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 04 June 2018, 05:01:39
do you know compatible one?thank you for your fast reply. Maybe I was a bit rude, sorry. Is the case compatible with the kbd75 pcb?I don’t understand it either. Why is ISO compatibility a bad thing? The missing support for ISO hurts the project a lot. Just look at the recent posts- so many people will pass on this because of that.I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
So the PCB will be iso compatible but not the plate, am I getting that right?
Neither will support it.
Yeah that's what I thought... Which ... I mean... I don't know, I hate when that happens, I get people don't want to support weird layout or split spacebar and stuff, but ANSI/ISO are must haves IMHO. Oh well... Good luck with your project
It really doesn't. In a perfect world I would do a single layout because that's what I want in a board. I understand the frustration it's just my personal choice as well as my pcb designers. The most valuable boards in this community are ansi only. I took a lot of inspiration from them to try and make the best feeling and sounding board I could.
If you can source a pcb, I will make you an iso only plate.
That would be a no. The Xeno will have a space between the alphas and the F-row whereas the kbd75 does not.
Post by: Rykno on Mon, 04 June 2018, 09:50:33
Post by: P1kas on Mon, 04 June 2018, 10:09:45
do you know compatible one?
You need to make one p much
What version of usb will the pcb support? Thanks
The renders show a USB C hole in the case
Post by: Anaconda on Mon, 04 June 2018, 11:14:58
I don’t understand it either. Why is ISO compatibility a bad thing? The missing support for ISO hurts the project a lot. Just look at the recent posts- so many people will pass on this because of that.I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
So the PCB will be iso compatible but not the plate, am I getting that right?
Neither will support it.
Yeah that's what I thought... Which ... I mean... I don't know, I hate when that happens, I get people don't want to support weird layout or split spacebar and stuff, but ANSI/ISO are must haves IMHO. Oh well... Good luck with your project
It really doesn't. In a perfect world I would do a single layout because that's what I want in a board. I understand the frustration it's just my personal choice as well as my pcb designers. The most valuable boards in this community are ansi only. I took a lot of inspiration from them to try and make the best feeling and sounding board I could.
If you can source a pcb, I will make you an iso only plate.
I understand not wanting to make an iso only plate since so little people use it or having a universal plate since it hurts the typing experience but having it come down to not wanting to design a pcb for it just sounds like an excuse.
Post by: johngodsmith on Mon, 04 June 2018, 14:26:46
Try not using iso that usually helpsI don’t understand it either. Why is ISO compatibility a bad thing? The missing support for ISO hurts the project a lot. Just look at the recent posts- so many people will pass on this because of that.I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
So the PCB will be iso compatible but not the plate, am I getting that right?
Neither will support it.
Yeah that's what I thought... Which ... I mean... I don't know, I hate when that happens, I get people don't want to support weird layout or split spacebar and stuff, but ANSI/ISO are must haves IMHO. Oh well... Good luck with your project
It really doesn't. In a perfect world I would do a single layout because that's what I want in a board. I understand the frustration it's just my personal choice as well as my pcb designers. The most valuable boards in this community are ansi only. I took a lot of inspiration from them to try and make the best feeling and sounding board I could.
If you can source a pcb, I will make you an iso only plate.
I understand not wanting to make an iso only plate since so little people use it or having a universal plate since it hurts the typing experience but having it come down to not wanting to design a pcb for it just sounds like an excuse.
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Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 04 June 2018, 15:53:57
wow what a strong statement..... :blank: :))Try not using iso that usually helpsI don’t understand it either. Why is ISO compatibility a bad thing? The missing support for ISO hurts the project a lot. Just look at the recent posts- so many people will pass on this because of that.I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
So the PCB will be iso compatible but not the plate, am I getting that right?
Neither will support it.
Yeah that's what I thought... Which ... I mean... I don't know, I hate when that happens, I get people don't want to support weird layout or split spacebar and stuff, but ANSI/ISO are must haves IMHO. Oh well... Good luck with your project
It really doesn't. In a perfect world I would do a single layout because that's what I want in a board. I understand the frustration it's just my personal choice as well as my pcb designers. The most valuable boards in this community are ansi only. I took a lot of inspiration from them to try and make the best feeling and sounding board I could.
If you can source a pcb, I will make you an iso only plate.
I understand not wanting to make an iso only plate since so little people use it or having a universal plate since it hurts the typing experience but having it come down to not wanting to design a pcb for it just sounds like an excuse.
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Post by: 2Cas on Mon, 04 June 2018, 21:51:36
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 04 June 2018, 22:36:29
I don’t understand it either. Why is ISO compatibility a bad thing? The missing support for ISO hurts the project a lot. Just look at the recent posts- so many people will pass on this because of that.I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
So the PCB will be iso compatible but not the plate, am I getting that right?
Neither will support it.
Yeah that's what I thought... Which ... I mean... I don't know, I hate when that happens, I get people don't want to support weird layout or split spacebar and stuff, but ANSI/ISO are must haves IMHO. Oh well... Good luck with your project
Having ISO support means that for ANSI users, the pipe key and enter key basically are only half supported by the plate. Just leads to a compromised experience for everyone, just to satisfy what is actually a very small minority of users.
The proper way would be to have a separate ISO plate and support it on the PCB, but Pwner obviously has felt it's not worth putting the effort in and that's his decision. This project is taking long enough as it is.
this is the same reason JTK doesn't support ISO, and also why we're seeing it moved to a separate kit in more GMK GBs
only about 3-6% of people in this community actually use it
Post by: kokugatsu on Mon, 04 June 2018, 22:40:23
Post by: JSaintS on Tue, 05 June 2018, 02:13:46
[...] and also why we're seeing it moved to a separate kit in more GMK GBs
Wait, hold on, what's your source on that? Because that sounds like BS to me. I didn't check all the the ICs/GBs, but what I found in under 5 minutes is that the listed keysets, either in GB, in IC or that already ran, ALL supported ISO.
- Phantom
- Violet Tendencies
- Necro
- Burgundy
- Paper (IC)
- Oasis (IC)
- Serika (GB done)
- Olivia(GB done)
- Grey on Black (IC)
- Jamón (IC)
- Shoko (IC)
- Hyperfuse Origins (GB done)
- Metaverse (IC)
Edit: spelling
Post by: Remsky on Tue, 05 June 2018, 02:22:52
Not all of those sets had full ISO support in base, olivia didn't even have full ISO-UK support in base kit. Sets like the TA rerun in IC are forgoing ISO support to keep costs lower. Plus its not really fair to include MD or oco sets since those have a much higher chance to hit MOQ due to exposure. Plus of course your set is going to support ISO lmao.[...] and also why we're seeing it moved to a separate kit in more GMK GBs
Wait, hold on, what's your source on that? Because that sounds like BS to me. I didn't check all the the ICs/GBs, but what I found in under 5 minutes is that all the listed kits, either in GB, in IC or that already ran, ALL supported ISO.
- Phantom
- Violet Tendencies
- Necro
- Burgundy
- Paper (IC)
- Oasis (IC)
- Serika (GB done)
- Olivia(GB done)
- Grey on Black (IC)
- Jamón (IC)
- Shoko (IC)
- Hyperfuse Origins (GB done)
- Metaverse (IC)
But seriously, this thread is becoming ANSI vs ISO instead of talking about xeno. Pwner and wilba chose to not support ISO because they feel like it is more of a niche and they don't wanna compromise on plate or pcb design. Pwner has already tossed around the idea of having some fixed ISO plates. Im sure an ISO pcb to go along with it can be designed as well given enough demand.
Post by: phal on Tue, 05 June 2018, 12:55:09
Waiting for the next one I guess!
Post by: cirrus82 on Tue, 05 June 2018, 13:04:18
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Tue, 05 June 2018, 13:28:27
Post by: _ODIN_ on Tue, 05 June 2018, 14:32:37
@Fellow ISO users, not supporting it is understandable. Fact is when it comes to putting up the money/numbers we simply don't cut it. I can understand sacrificing ISO for a superior typing feel, especially when in reality a lot of the people saying they won't buy due to no ISO probably wouldn't have bought it anyway =S (not trying to throw shade, just often the way these things go). If you have/had your heart set on this, you could either use ANSI as I do on a few boards (also this way you can use some none ISO keysets :thumb:), it's not that bad even though ISO is superior imo =P. Or as others have suggested try to get together and find/design a suitable pcb and plate, maybe even an ISO only fixed plate :eek:.I can understand you but as a German, I like to have my extra characters shown on the keyboard
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Tue, 05 June 2018, 22:17:43
Getting an ISO plate made in the future would be a step in the right direction, so at least you'd be able to handwire everything up. Heck even a proper ISO pcb could be made that isn't ANSI compatible for the truly dedicated.
Post by: rioc on Wed, 06 June 2018, 06:40:31
Simply telling ISO users to try using ANSI isn't very fair for a custom-made, premium product like this. It's unfortunate, but I can understand the choice.
Getting an ISO plate made in the future would be a step in the right direction, so at least you'd be able to handwire everything up. Heck even a proper ISO pcb could be made that isn't ANSI compatible for the truly dedicated.
yeah... this might be a dealbreaker for me, since I do like my options to go ISO if I want to
also, the typing feeling doesn't really change at all, for all those thinking it would make a difference, its still an alu plate, not SS
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 06 June 2018, 10:00:05
Post by: Remsky on Wed, 06 June 2018, 10:09:12
Post by: _ODIN_ on Wed, 06 June 2018, 10:38:50
How many of the people wanting ISO will actually buy the board? I know at least one of you won't.I think i will not
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 06 June 2018, 10:48:07
How many of the people wanting ISO will actually buy the board? I know at least one of you won't.
Well now that's a no... I was actually waiting for it to launch and even talked about the board with friend trying to spread the word.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 06 June 2018, 15:28:30
Pwner has said if you can source a pcb he will make you a plate. Not sure what else you expect him to do? Do you think he’s just gonna go make a second custom 1off pcb for the 3 people who care and pay out of pocket for the design?
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Wed, 06 June 2018, 15:31:52
Guys, the horse is dead already. Let it go. Everyone gets it, you use iso and want iso support, but unless you plan to make a pcb, I don’t really see what you expect. The pcb designer doesn’t want to do it. You can talk about it until the end of time, but if he doesn’t wanna do it then it really doesn’t matter how much you would like it and there isn’t much for pwner to do. It’s not like he has his own pcb with iso support to fall back on. Someone who can make pcbs has to do the actual work.QFT
Pwner has said if you can source a pcb he will make you a plate. Not sure what else you expect him to do? Do you think he’s just gonna go make a second custom 1off pcb for the 3 people who care and pay out of pocket for the design?
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 06 June 2018, 15:42:23
Guys, the horse is dead already. Let it go. Everyone gets it, you use iso and want iso support, but unless you plan to make a pcb, I don’t really see what you expect. The pcb designer doesn’t want to do it. You can talk about it until the end of time, but if he doesn’t wanna do it then it really doesn’t matter how much you would like it and there isn’t much for pwner to do. It’s not like he has his own pcb with iso support to fall back on. Someone who can make pcbs has to do the actual work.
Pwner has said if you can source a pcb he will make you a plate. Not sure what else you expect him to do? Do you think he’s just gonna go make a second custom 1off pcb for the 3 people who care and pay out of pocket for the design?
Totally agree with you. I was personally answering someone else's question with my last post. I stick around as I'm hoping to see some news for the numpad (I know Pwner said it will be run in a different sale but it's just in case he mentions it here too)
Post by: Anaconda on Wed, 06 June 2018, 15:59:02
Guys, the horse is dead already. Let it go. Everyone gets it, you use iso and want iso support, but unless you plan to make a pcb, I don’t really see what you expect. The pcb designer doesn’t want to do it. You can talk about it until the end of time, but if he doesn’t wanna do it then it really doesn’t matter how much you would like it and there isn’t much for pwner to do. It’s not like he has his own pcb with iso support to fall back on. Someone who can make pcbs has to do the actual work.We can express our want for iso. It's an interest check. OFC he can do what he wants but enough demand for it might make him consider adding iso support or if the pcb design is already final at least consider it in the future projects. And yes adding iso would add to the cost but the end product would also be more versatile. These people who come here to mock people wanting iso are the ones adding nothing to the conversation.
Pwner has said if you can source a pcb he will make you a plate. Not sure what else you expect him to do? Do you think he’s just gonna go make a second custom 1off pcb for the 3 people who care and pay out of pocket for the design?
Post by: Kafka on Wed, 06 June 2018, 20:16:15
Post by: HardcoreDesk on Wed, 06 June 2018, 20:51:52
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Wed, 06 June 2018, 21:37:16
Other than gamers, ISO users are the most persecuted minority in the history of the world.Hahaha this just made my night, thank you.
Post by: slk on Thu, 07 June 2018, 00:55:12
Post by: Wongstongs on Thu, 07 June 2018, 09:48:25
Post by: johngodsmith on Thu, 07 June 2018, 10:49:56
Any word on price yet? This one is on my listNot yet, I’d like to say $300-400 but that’s a complete guess
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Post by: Wongstongs on Thu, 07 June 2018, 10:55:19
Any word on price yet? This one is on my listNot yet, I’d like to say $300-400 but that’s a complete guess
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That's the range I'm expecting as well. Hopefully it's not too much more than $400
Post by: Darknight00z on Tue, 03 July 2018, 07:02:36
Post by: xondat on Tue, 03 July 2018, 08:19:58
Any updates?
I believe he's working on ISO support.
Post by: Windeh on Tue, 03 July 2018, 08:52:51
I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
Same here would love it in dark gray, super versatile color and will be amazing with the upcoming GMK Space Cadet!
Post by: Wilba on Tue, 03 July 2018, 08:57:47
Any updates?
I believe he's working on ISO support.
Sometimes you make me laugh. Not often, but sometimes.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 15:55:43
I'm partial to a simple dark gray.
Those who want ISO plates could maybe get some made by themselves if the OP is willing to share his plate file? Just a thought.
Same here would love it in dark gray, super versatile color and will be amazing with the upcoming GMK Space Cadet!
he already said he would make a plate if someone designs and produces a pcb. The pcb doesn't support iso, so it doesn't really matter if he shares the files.
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 03 July 2018, 17:54:43
(https://i.imgur.com/OBc0aLx.png)
Post by: gt1989 on Tue, 03 July 2018, 17:57:36
Oh wow, that looks fantastic.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ePMWw9V.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OBc0aLx.png)
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Post by: Starius on Tue, 03 July 2018, 18:46:03
Oh wow, that looks fantastic.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ePMWw9V.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OBc0aLx.png)
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Man, no kidding. That circuit board is a work of art. I might want to hang that sucker on the wall as is!
Post by: Windeh on Tue, 03 July 2018, 19:34:54
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ePMWw9V.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OBc0aLx.png)
Shweet!! :eek:
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 04 July 2018, 00:02:02
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ePMWw9V.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OBc0aLx.png)
YES YES YES YES
Post by: SBN on Wed, 04 July 2018, 00:48:12
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ePMWw9V.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OBc0aLx.png)
That looks stunning!! Really clean looking traces! Reminds me of the Zeal65!
Post by: mudcakehoney on Wed, 04 July 2018, 02:54:05
Post by: __foo_ on Wed, 04 July 2018, 07:49:00
Post by: rioc on Wed, 04 July 2018, 08:39:35
But, is that just one single RGB SMD LED under the tri-point indicator cutout?
Post by: whentheclouds on Wed, 04 July 2018, 10:00:32
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 04 July 2018, 17:52:43
in light of recent developments casting shadows on GH's immediate future, will you set up another medium of communication during the GB process in case the site ceases operations?
As a reputable vendor will be handling the buy, that will be taken care of. I will most likely have a form up to collect info and wants from those interested as well just as a backup.
What’s the possibility of a 5mm plate for this beauty?
In order to keep price down, it won't be offered during the buy. Not saying it's not a possibility outside of that though.
Love it, best looking traces on a pcb ever!
But, is that just one single RGB SMD LED under the tri-point indicator cutout?
Yeah, having 3 separate indicators didn't seem to make much sense. Realistically scroll/numlock is kind of pointless on a 75 although it will be qmk so I'm sure you could still set it up as you see fit.
Post by: rioc on Thu, 05 July 2018, 01:25:33
Love it, best looking traces on a pcb ever!Yeah, having 3 separate indicators didn't seem to make much sense. Realistically scroll/numlock is kind of pointless on a 75 although it will be qmk so I'm sure you could still set it up as you see fit.
But, is that just one single RGB SMD LED under the tri-point indicator cutout?
yeah ok, you're right, got a good point there ;)
also, I wouldn't worry about the MDxGH fuss, some people are just having a fit for no real reason... we should give them some cranberry sirup to calm down
Post by: Melanic on Thu, 05 July 2018, 10:03:30
Love it, best looking traces on a pcb ever!
But, is that just one single RGB SMD LED under the tri-point indicator cutout?
Yeah, having 3 separate indicators didn't seem to make much sense. Realistically scroll/numlock is kind of pointless on a 75 although it will be qmk so I'm sure you could still set it up as you see fit.
Just curious, will a single led in the middle of the 3 holes properly light up said holes properly? LED's seem quite directional so i'm wondering if the single offset LED would light up the 3 holes to reasonably bright levels. Of course I don't know the finer details of your case design so this is all just conjecture.
Post by: rioc on Thu, 05 July 2018, 10:19:12
Love it, best looking traces on a pcb ever!
But, is that just one single RGB SMD LED under the tri-point indicator cutout?
Yeah, having 3 separate indicators didn't seem to make much sense. Realistically scroll/numlock is kind of pointless on a 75 although it will be qmk so I'm sure you could still set it up as you see fit.
Just curious, will a single led in the middle of the 3 holes properly light up said holes properly? LED's seem quite directional so i'm wondering if the single offset LED would light up the 3 holes to reasonably bright levels. Of course I don't know the finer details of your case design so this is all just conjecture.
I'm guessing there's gonna be a diffuser in there... and if not, I'll put one there
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:57:07
Post by: rioc on Fri, 06 July 2018, 06:53:24
Post by: B1G_B1RD on Fri, 06 July 2018, 09:25:55
Post by: rioc on Fri, 06 July 2018, 09:29:28
I think I would prefer to have the USB plug on one side or the other. Not much of a fan of the centered plug. Anyone else?
idc, I like it anywhere... left, right, center... doesn't matter
on the sides... maybe just not on the front
Post by: mute on Fri, 06 July 2018, 10:04:03
If the pcb ends up looking like that render, I'll hang one on the wall of my office!
Post by: nickaster1 on Fri, 06 July 2018, 10:36:13
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Post by: rioc on Fri, 06 July 2018, 11:52:32
Awesome board. Can't wait.
If the pcb ends up looking like that render, I'll hang one on the wall of my office!
same
Post by: johngodsmith on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:12:01
Same, centers fine imoI think I would prefer to have the USB plug on one side or the other. Not much of a fan of the centered plug. Anyone else?
idc, I like it anywhere... left, right, center... doesn't matter
on the sides... maybe just not on the front
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Post by: dallman5 on Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:29:53
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Post by: fatpolomanjr on Sat, 07 July 2018, 04:23:52
Same, centers fine imoI think I would prefer to have the USB plug on one side or the other. Not much of a fan of the centered plug. Anyone else?idc, I like it anywhere... left, right, center... doesn't matter
on the sides... maybe just not on the front
I prefer center aesthetically and for connecting it to a pc (which is my primary use case for 75%), but on the left or right side for connecting to a laptop. If the case is tall enough so the cable goes over the front of the laptop then having the cable uncentered serves no purpose.
Post by: Pwner on Sat, 07 July 2018, 17:39:54
just checked out the renders on page 1 again and noticed the 3-dot weight design is gone... why? It looked sublime
The renders weren't finalized design plans, just ideas/ where I was at that current point design wise.
I'm guessing there's gonna be a diffuser in there
Correct
I think I would prefer to have the USB plug on one side or the other. Not much of a fan of the centered plug. Anyone else?
USB position was a struggle for me. I originally had it on the left, but personally all my peripherals are plugged in on the right on my desk. Rather than choosing a side I chose to go with center for my preference as well as it being aesthetically nicer.
Post by: smittysteve on Sat, 07 July 2018, 17:57:03
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 07 July 2018, 19:16:36
I was thinking about the left vs center USB a few weeks ago driving. Saw this and I think I was convinced.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180707/33470869a8d2cff0bb6297220c2a1f55.jpg)
I figure right or left exhaust is there so that it doesn't interfere with towing. Porsches don't need to tow :)
I prefer left side or center just to keep it away from my mouse. Center is coo. However, just like this photo, I find it draws more attention to the cable. Just have to have a nice cable to go with our Ion
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Sat, 07 July 2018, 22:35:22
I bet a large majority of 996 Porsche 911 turbo owners would strongly disagree with that statement lol.I was thinking about the left vs center USB a few weeks ago driving. Saw this and I think I was convinced.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180707/33470869a8d2cff0bb6297220c2a1f55.jpg)
I figure right or left exhaust is there so that it doesn't interfere with towing. Porsches don't need to tow :)
I prefer left side or center just to keep it away from my mouse. Center is coo. However, just like this photo, I find it draws more attention to the cable. Just have to have a nice cable to go with our Ion
But on topic, anything but the right side and I'm game!
Post by: JSaintS on Sun, 08 July 2018, 12:01:54
(https://i.imgur.com/Jfx93Eo.jpg)
Post by: nickaster1 on Sun, 08 July 2018, 12:03:28
Thanks Pwner for sharing the Xeno file! GMK Stormtrooper Redux (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96541.0) looks stellar on it!You need to get out of here. That’s illegal. It looks so FIRE!!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jfx93Eo.jpg)
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Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 08 July 2018, 15:38:37
Thanks Pwner for sharing the Xeno file! GMK Stormtrooper Redux (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96541.0) looks stellar on it!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jfx93Eo.jpg)
YIKES. Pwner, pls
Post by: JSaintS on Sun, 08 July 2018, 15:45:05
Thanks Pwner for sharing the Xeno file! GMK Stormtrooper Redux (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96541.0) looks stellar on it!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jfx93Eo.jpg)
YIKES. Pwner, pls
Come one, it looks good, no? :-P
Post by: rioc on Sun, 08 July 2018, 16:25:06
Thanks Pwner for sharing the Xeno file! GMK Stormtrooper Redux (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96541.0) looks stellar on it!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jfx93Eo.jpg)
YIKES. Pwner, pls
Come one, it looks good, no? :-P
ya, where did he share the file?
Post by: Pwner on Sun, 08 July 2018, 17:29:22
Thanks Pwner for sharing the Xeno file! GMK Stormtrooper Redux (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96541.0) looks stellar on it!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jfx93Eo.jpg)
YIKES. Pwner, pls
Come one, it looks good, no? :-P
ya, where did he share the file?
It was just a model that can only be used for renders, just as Rama has done for most of his boards.
Post by: SolidCactus on Sun, 08 July 2018, 17:45:24
Thanks Pwner for sharing the Xeno file! GMK Stormtrooper Redux (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96541.0) looks stellar on it!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jfx93Eo.jpg)
Wow wow wow! That looks incredible. Where do I sign?
Post by: Max_P0 on Sun, 08 July 2018, 22:03:43
I love the layout.... using Race 3 now !!
Post by: nickaster1 on Sun, 08 July 2018, 22:10:00
I think you should shrink the three dots a little bit. Since LEDs are smaller than that, the holes would look “missing”Thanks Pwner for sharing the Xeno file! GMK Stormtrooper Redux (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96541.0) looks stellar on it!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jfx93Eo.jpg)
YIKES. Pwner, pls
Come one, it looks good, no? :-P
ya, where did he share the file?
It was just a model that can only be used for renders, just as Rama has done for most of his boards.
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Sun, 08 July 2018, 22:12:29
The LEDs don't stick through, so there won't be any missing gap around them. LEDs are plenty bright enough to light up holes even bigger than that.I think you should shrink the three dots a little bit. Since LEDs are smaller than that, the holes would look “missing”Thanks Pwner for sharing the Xeno file! GMK Stormtrooper Redux (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96541.0) looks stellar on it!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jfx93Eo.jpg)
YIKES. Pwner, pls
Come one, it looks good, no? :-P
ya, where did he share the file?
It was just a model that can only be used for renders, just as Rama has done for most of his boards.
Post by: rioc on Mon, 09 July 2018, 01:21:12
Thanks Pwner for sharing the Xeno file! GMK Stormtrooper Redux (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96541.0) looks stellar on it!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jfx93Eo.jpg)
YIKES. Pwner, pls
Come one, it looks good, no? :-P
ya, where did he share the file?
It was just a model that can only be used for renders, just as Rama has done for most of his boards.
yeah I assumed, dusting off my renderers for some projects I'm working on and wondered if I can use it too? ;)
Post by: Yeoh on Mon, 09 July 2018, 21:15:26
Post by: redbanshee on Tue, 10 July 2018, 23:05:11
Post by: Windeh on Wed, 11 July 2018, 21:32:12
Post by: Remsky on Thu, 12 July 2018, 01:37:16
Hey Pwner, will you consider 7075 Aluminium as an option for the board, instead of the usual 6061?Im not sure why he would, he wants to keep it below 400, and 7075 is harder to machine and to anodize dyes with. Board would probably be too spendy with 7075.
Post by: Kawamashi on Fri, 13 July 2018, 12:07:33
Post by: kiwi99 on Mon, 23 July 2018, 20:54:05
Post by: slxdegrees on Mon, 23 July 2018, 21:16:19
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Post by: Pwner on Mon, 23 July 2018, 21:18:44
Tbh, will this project ever see the light of day?
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Tbh, yes.
Post by: Remsky on Mon, 23 July 2018, 23:23:56
I think thats a maybe :hanry:Tbh, will this project ever see the light of day?
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Tbh, yes.
Post by: Chimera on Mon, 23 July 2018, 23:52:36
Tbh, will this project ever see the light of day?
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Tbh, yes.
Any ETA?
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 24 July 2018, 02:46:31
Tbh, will this project ever see the light of day?
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Tbh, yes.
Any ETA?
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Post by: Poblopuablo on Thu, 26 July 2018, 23:12:38
If needed I can send some of each for you to test them in the PCB. :)
Post by: HerrmannStahl on Mon, 30 July 2018, 09:44:54
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 30 July 2018, 13:19:29
When might this happen? I NEED this.would like to know that too
Post by: mkarlsson on Mon, 30 July 2018, 13:44:37
When might this happen? I NEED this.would like to know that too
ISO was discarded sadly
don’t know if that’s a deal breaker for you though
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 30 July 2018, 13:55:24
It was in the beginning. Right now it's like 50/50When might this happen? I NEED this.would like to know that too
ISO was discarded sadly
Post by: mkarlsson on Mon, 30 July 2018, 13:57:45
It was in the beginning. Right now it's like 50/50When might this happen? I NEED this.would like to know that too
ISO was discarded sadly
Post by: Hawkfriend on Wed, 01 August 2018, 01:34:01
Post by: __foo_ on Mon, 06 August 2018, 07:27:46
Post by: rioc on Mon, 06 August 2018, 08:10:08
Man, i love this. Have been looking for an mx custom for a while - this looks so good. Which vendor is it going to go through? or will it be on GH?
I'm guessing / hoping it'll be a GH GroupBuy. (But who knows)
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 06 August 2018, 15:55:10
I've been waiting for this project to go live for literally nearly a year. My interest is still strong with this one <3
I hear you. :(
Tbf, in short, most of the delay had been waiting on another vendor. There has been many delays in projects that would've been ahead of this ultimately leading to me finding someone else. I wish I had done so sooner, but you live and you learn. It's a bit of a meme phrase, but it really is coming soon.
Man, i love this. Have been looking for an mx custom for a while - this looks so good. Which vendor is it going to go through? or will it be on GH?
I'm guessing / hoping it'll be a GH GroupBuy. (But who knows)
Nah m8, I simply do not have the time or resources to run a large gb. This will be done through a community vendor. Specifics will be announced asap.
Post by: SBN on Mon, 06 August 2018, 16:06:48
I've been waiting for this project to go live for literally nearly a year. My interest is still strong with this one <3
I hear you. :(
Tbf, in short, most of the delay had been waiting on another vendor. There has been many delays in projects that would've been ahead of this ultimately leading to me finding someone else. I wish I had done so sooner, but you live and you learn. It's a bit of a meme phrase, but it really is coming soon.Man, i love this. Have been looking for an mx custom for a while - this looks so good. Which vendor is it going to go through? or will it be on GH?
I'm guessing / hoping it'll be a GH GroupBuy. (But who knows)
Nah m8, I simply do not have the time or resources to run a large gb. This will be done through a community vendor. Specifics will be announced asap.
Looking forward to it! I dig the design and would love to get it as my first 75%.
Take your time and give us an awesome board! :)
Post by: slxdegrees on Mon, 06 August 2018, 21:56:18
I've been waiting for this project to go live for literally nearly a year. My interest is still strong with this one <3
I hear you. :(
Tbf, in short, most of the delay had been waiting on another vendor. There has been many delays in projects that would've been ahead of this ultimately leading to me finding someone else. I wish I had done so sooner, but you live and you learn. It's a bit of a meme phrase, but it really is coming soon.Man, i love this. Have been looking for an mx custom for a while - this looks so good. Which vendor is it going to go through? or will it be on GH?
I'm guessing / hoping it'll be a GH GroupBuy. (But who knows)
Nah m8, I simply do not have the time or resources to run a large gb. This will be done through a community vendor. Specifics will be announced asap.
Any chance it will start this month?
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 06 August 2018, 23:05:18
Post by: Kawamashi on Tue, 07 August 2018, 02:32:37
Post by: Hawkfriend on Tue, 07 August 2018, 02:59:49
I've been waiting for this project to go live for literally nearly a year. My interest is still strong with this one <3
I hear you. :(
Tbf, in short, most of the delay had been waiting on another vendor. There has been many delays in projects that would've been ahead of this ultimately leading to me finding someone else. I wish I had done so sooner, but you live and you learn. It's a bit of a meme phrase, but it really is coming soon.Man, i love this. Have been looking for an mx custom for a while - this looks so good. Which vendor is it going to go through? or will it be on GH?
I'm guessing / hoping it'll be a GH GroupBuy. (But who knows)
Nah m8, I simply do not have the time or resources to run a large gb. This will be done through a community vendor. Specifics will be announced asap.
Thanks for the insights Pwner, will this be a limited quantity run?
Post by: blacksimon on Tue, 07 August 2018, 07:28:19
Post by: Remsky on Tue, 07 August 2018, 13:35:57
can I buy an ISO slot for $800 thxI'll one up that and buy ISO split space for $1000
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 07 August 2018, 17:07:17
I've been waiting for this project to go live for literally nearly a year. My interest is still strong with this one <3
I hear you. :(
Tbf, in short, most of the delay had been waiting on another vendor. There has been many delays in projects that would've been ahead of this ultimately leading to me finding someone else. I wish I had done so sooner, but you live and you learn. It's a bit of a meme phrase, but it really is coming soon.Man, i love this. Have been looking for an mx custom for a while - this looks so good. Which vendor is it going to go through? or will it be on GH?
I'm guessing / hoping it'll be a GH GroupBuy. (But who knows)
Nah m8, I simply do not have the time or resources to run a large gb. This will be done through a community vendor. Specifics will be announced asap.
Thanks for the insights Pwner, will this be a limited quantity run?
I don't think they'll be a need for a limited run, we'll see.
can I buy an ISO slot for $800 thxI'll one up that and buy ISO split space for $1000
Invoice sent.
can I buy an ISO slot for $800 thx
i1 cancelled.
Post by: Poblopuablo on Sun, 19 August 2018, 07:15:36
Post by: Paopawdecarabao on Mon, 20 August 2018, 04:07:07
Post by: DocNoc on Sat, 25 August 2018, 19:17:56
Post by: Pwner on Sat, 25 August 2018, 20:59:39
In the renders I see Pwner's avatar, will there be a weight that fits in it or is that just going to be engraved into the bottom of the case?
It will be a more normal weight I just haven't done updated renders. Next update design wise will be a prototype but I will have vendor/gb dates/pricing done before that. Once we have quotes back, all that info will be posted.
Post by: DocNoc on Sat, 25 August 2018, 21:17:25
In the renders I see Pwner's avatar, will there be a weight that fits in it or is that just going to be engraved into the bottom of the case?
It will be a more normal weight I just haven't done updated renders. Next update design wise will be a prototype but I will have vendor/gb dates/pricing done before that. Once we have quotes back, all that info will be posted.
Gotcha. Thanks for the reply
Post by: Insomnium on Sun, 26 August 2018, 08:07:51
In the renders I see Pwner's avatar, will there be a weight that fits in it or is that just going to be engraved into the bottom of the case?
It will be a more normal weight I just haven't done updated renders. Next update design wise will be a prototype but I will have vendor/gb dates/pricing done before that. Once we have quotes back, all that info will be posted.
Hype, bought Modern Dolch in anticipation for this board!
Post by: pentawater on Tue, 28 August 2018, 07:28:10
Any idea when the gb might be?
Post by: Okonomiyaki#2832 on Tue, 28 August 2018, 11:12:15
Post by: 9999hp on Tue, 28 August 2018, 12:37:24
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 28 August 2018, 16:50:37
This one looks really cool! Interested in seeing how much it would weigh with the internal weight
Renders are out of date, it will be a through weight as originally planned.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Wed, 29 August 2018, 13:29:09
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 29 August 2018, 21:54:05
rough price estimate?[attachimg=1]
Post by: Poblopuablo on Wed, 05 September 2018, 11:09:45
rough price estimate?
I don't know if you saw this, but I posted it before. Will this support holtites? I could send you samples to see if the PCB will support it.
Please let me know or message me on Reddit /u/poblopuablo
Post by: shodid on Wed, 05 September 2018, 22:00:51
In for 1.
What firmware will the PCB use?
Will it be QMK compatible?
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 05 September 2018, 22:35:59
rough price estimate?Will this support holtites?
Holtites should work fine.
Would like this to be my first custom build.
In for 1.
What firmware will the PCB use?
Will it be QMK compatible?
QMK
Post by: Wilba on Wed, 05 September 2018, 22:47:19
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 05 September 2018, 22:51:49
will this supoprt alps swwitches?
yess but onyl iso alps layuots
Post by: Wilba on Wed, 05 September 2018, 22:53:47
will this supoprt alps swwitches?
yess but onyl iso alps layuots
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: no proplem thats how i roll :p :llama:
Post by: Poblopuablo on Thu, 06 September 2018, 00:07:57
Holtites should work fine.
Want to double check?
Post by: Visionaire on Thu, 06 September 2018, 12:50:40
Post by: breckstar on Sat, 08 September 2018, 11:42:34
Post by: ItsAllen on Sun, 16 September 2018, 23:00:02
Post by: meliewx on Tue, 18 September 2018, 08:31:24
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Post by: xondat on Tue, 18 September 2018, 08:40:36
ISO was discarded am I correct in thinking?
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yes, was never included
Post by: kiwi99 on Tue, 18 September 2018, 23:26:15
ISO was discarded am I correct in thinking?
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yes, was never included
pwner doing gods work
Post by: _ODIN_ on Wed, 19 September 2018, 00:47:57
Post by: Funktion on Fri, 21 September 2018, 17:12:42
Post by: Pwner on Sat, 22 September 2018, 02:33:00
Keep checking this thread every day. Always hoping for more info.
I am currently awaiting info that everyone else is as well.
Post by: Poblopuablo on Sun, 23 September 2018, 00:37:13
Keep checking this thread every day. Always hoping for more info.
I am currently awaiting info that everyone else is as well.
Would you be willing to let us know what you're waiting on? Vendors? Or something. Just to give us a little more information? :)
Thanks! Have a great weekend! :D
Post by: adxlk on Sun, 23 September 2018, 02:15:28
Post by: Funktion on Sun, 23 September 2018, 14:25:54
Keep checking this thread every day. Always hoping for more info.
I am currently awaiting info that everyone else is as well.
Would you be willing to let us know what you're waiting on? Vendors? Or something. Just to give us a little more information? :)
Thanks! Have a great weekend! :D
meant no offense, just excited.
Post by: Pwner on Sun, 23 September 2018, 15:25:19
Keep checking this thread every day. Always hoping for more info.
I am currently awaiting info that everyone else is as well.
Would you be willing to let us know what you're waiting on? Vendors? Or something. Just to give us a little more information? :)
Thanks! Have a great weekend! :D
meant no offense, just excited.
No worries, none taken.
Waiting on quotes from the fab at the moment.
Post by: Undrcontrl on Sat, 06 October 2018, 11:59:45
Did you decide whether to ad split space back into the design? I LOVE this board but would be fully sold only if it had the split space. A 6 or 7u key has a TON of wasted space, tbh, so chopping even just in half allows for more functionality that ever.
Think about it, 99% of people use 1 thumb and hit the space within a 1-2u area, leaving so much space wasted.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 06 October 2018, 12:09:13
Won't lie, I have only read the first page of comments because I just came across this and it is now 12 pages deep.I agree with you but a large space bar looks amazing.
Did you decide whether to ad split space back into the design? I LOVE this board but would be fully sold only if it had the split space. A 6 or 7u key has a TON of wasted space, tbh, so chopping even just in half allows for more functionality that ever.
Think about it, 99% of people use 1 thumb and hit the space within a 1-2u area, leaving so much space wasted.
Post by: Undrcontrl on Sat, 06 October 2018, 12:11:10
Won't lie, I have only read the first page of comments because I just came across this and it is now 12 pages deep.I agree with you but a large space bar looks amazing.
Did you decide whether to ad split space back into the design? I LOVE this board but would be fully sold only if it had the split space. A 6 or 7u key has a TON of wasted space, tbh, so chopping even just in half allows for more functionality that ever.
Think about it, 99% of people use 1 thumb and hit the space within a 1-2u area, leaving so much space wasted.
Looks only go so far for me. I am more about function over aesthetics, tbh. Especially if it is something I plan to use every day for years. As well, a good layout, with split space, can look very clean as well!
Post by: 5inn3d- on Mon, 08 October 2018, 14:33:58
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 08 October 2018, 15:55:11
will this be happening anytime soon?
YES
Won't lie, I have only read the first page of comments because I just came across this and it is now 12 pages deep.I agree with you but a large space bar looks amazing.
Did you decide whether to ad split space back into the design? I LOVE this board but would be fully sold only if it had the split space. A 6 or 7u key has a TON of wasted space, tbh, so chopping even just in half allows for more functionality that ever.
Think about it, 99% of people use 1 thumb and hit the space within a 1-2u area, leaving so much space wasted.
Looks only go so far for me. I am more about function over aesthetics, tbh. Especially if it is something I plan to use every day for years. As well, a good layout, with split space, can look very clean as well!
Sorry dude, no split space.
Post by: repuls0r on Mon, 08 October 2018, 16:00:18
will this be happening anytime soon?
YES
OMG HYPED!!
Post by: Remsky on Mon, 08 October 2018, 19:39:53
Won't lie, I have only read the first page of comments because I just came across this and it is now 12 pages deep.75% is basically a more compact version of a tkl. Idk why you would ever need split space on this layout tbh. Plus just because space is "wasted" doesnt mean that it SHOULD be cut up.
Did you decide whether to ad split space back into the design? I LOVE this board but would be fully sold only if it had the split space. A 6 or 7u key has a TON of wasted space, tbh, so chopping even just in half allows for more functionality that ever.
Think about it, 99% of people use 1 thumb and hit the space within a 1-2u area, leaving so much space wasted.
Post by: kiwi99 on Tue, 09 October 2018, 14:45:28
Won't lie, I have only read the first page of comments because I just came across this and it is now 12 pages deep.75% is basically a more compact version of a tkl. Idk why you would ever need split space on this layout tbh. Plus just because space is "wasted" doesnt mean that it SHOULD be cut up.
Did you decide whether to ad split space back into the design? I LOVE this board but would be fully sold only if it had the split space. A 6 or 7u key has a TON of wasted space, tbh, so chopping even just in half allows for more functionality that ever.
Think about it, 99% of people use 1 thumb and hit the space within a 1-2u area, leaving so much space wasted.
Have you typed with a split spacebar? its pretty comfortable and usability wise its very functional. Leekus compact 1800 pcb & 75% supports split spacebar and its basically fullsized! the one criticism I could give for it is I dislike plates with massive cutouts for supporting every layout under the sun :p .
Post by: juaninamilli on Wed, 10 October 2018, 11:51:01
Won't lie, I have only read the first page of comments because I just came across this and it is now 12 pages deep.75% is basically a more compact version of a tkl. Idk why you would ever need split space on this layout tbh. Plus just because space is "wasted" doesnt mean that it SHOULD be cut up.
Did you decide whether to ad split space back into the design? I LOVE this board but would be fully sold only if it had the split space. A 6 or 7u key has a TON of wasted space, tbh, so chopping even just in half allows for more functionality that ever.
Think about it, 99% of people use 1 thumb and hit the space within a 1-2u area, leaving so much space wasted.
Have you typed with a split spacebar? its pretty comfortable and usability wise its very functional. Leekus compact 1800 pcb & 75% supports split spacebar and its basically fullsized! the one criticism I could give for it is I dislike plates with massive cutouts for supporting every layout under the sun :p .
Make plates ~~great~~ fixed again.
Post by: dario on Wed, 10 October 2018, 12:26:31
Looks tempting indeed. I like the idea of the F-blocker very much on such a small keyboard.
But... that pause key on the far right top is hideous. It is ruining aesthetics of the whole keyboard. It makes a vertical line in a completely wrong way.
Post by: dimo on Wed, 10 October 2018, 13:21:25
the board is beautiful though, I’m glad I didn’t miss it :3
Post by: Funktion on Wed, 10 October 2018, 13:46:10
Don't get me wrong I am excited but your worries are shared among many I'm sure.
Post by: TheAutoManCan on Wed, 10 October 2018, 14:00:04
Have you typed with a split spacebar? its pretty comfortable and usability wise its very functional. Leekus compact 1800 pcb & 75% supports split spacebar and its basically fullsized! the one criticism I could give for it is I dislike plates with massive cutouts for supporting every layout under the sun :p .I agree on the matter of comfort and functionality. I went with the split space layout on my CA66 and it feels great to use. The R1 plates were exempt from huge cutouts since the CA66 only supports two spacebar configurations. It's a bit harder to do a clean job on boards like this that already support several spacebar configurations so I can understand why split space would be omitted.
Post by: Pwner on Wed, 10 October 2018, 14:20:42
I believe he had another project running while this was on IC. It's been a bit of a reservation for me as well however. I'm hoping this will run through a reputable vendor and not just through geekhack. Makes me feel more secure with my money that way.
Don't get me wrong I am excited but your worries are shared among many I'm sure.
Yep, basically had another project and this was sort of planned to run after that through the same vendor which turned in to quite the waste of time.
That being said, it will still be through a reputable vendor although not as originally planned, it is in much better hands and things are progressing finally.
Post by: dimo on Wed, 10 October 2018, 14:43:54
I believe he had another project running while this was on IC. It's been a bit of a reservation for me as well however. I'm hoping this will run through a reputable vendor and not just through geekhack. Makes me feel more secure with my money that way.
Don't get me wrong I am excited but your worries are shared among many I'm sure.
Yep, basically had another project and this was sort of planned to run after that through the same vendor which turned in to quite the waste of time.
That being said, it will still be through a reputable vendor although not as originally planned, it is in much better hands and things are progressing finally.
Great to hear, thanks !
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 12 October 2018, 02:45:02
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Post by: sJ1N on Sat, 13 October 2018, 16:04:03
Post by: Funktion on Sat, 13 October 2018, 18:52:45
Post by: Okonomiyaki#2832 on Sat, 13 October 2018, 22:13:33
I keep having to remind myself I earmarked some money for this board and can't spend it on anything else.
let it grow some interest.
Post by: rmendis on Sat, 13 October 2018, 23:30:46
Won't lie, I have only read the first page of comments because I just came across this and it is now 12 pages deep.75% is basically a more compact version of a tkl. Idk why you would ever need split space on this layout tbh. Plus just because space is "wasted" doesnt mean that it SHOULD be cut up.
Did you decide whether to ad split space back into the design? I LOVE this board but would be fully sold only if it had the split space. A 6 or 7u key has a TON of wasted space, tbh, so chopping even just in half allows for more functionality that ever.
Think about it, 99% of people use 1 thumb and hit the space within a 1-2u area, leaving so much space wasted.
Have you typed with a split spacebar? its pretty comfortable and usability wise its very functional. Leekus compact 1800 pcb & 75% supports split spacebar and its basically fullsized! the one criticism I could give for it is I dislike plates with massive cutouts for supporting every layout under the sun :p .
I agree with kiwi on this. Split space can be both functional and aesthetically pleasing.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 14 October 2018, 09:45:50
Won't lie, I have only read the first page of comments because I just came across this and it is now 12 pages deep.75% is basically a more compact version of a tkl. Idk why you would ever need split space on this layout tbh. Plus just because space is "wasted" doesnt mean that it SHOULD be cut up.
Did you decide whether to ad split space back into the design? I LOVE this board but would be fully sold only if it had the split space. A 6 or 7u key has a TON of wasted space, tbh, so chopping even just in half allows for more functionality that ever.
Think about it, 99% of people use 1 thumb and hit the space within a 1-2u area, leaving so much space wasted.
Have you typed with a split spacebar? its pretty comfortable and usability wise its very functional. Leekus compact 1800 pcb & 75% supports split spacebar and its basically fullsized! the one criticism I could give for it is I dislike plates with massive cutouts for supporting every layout under the sun :p .
I agree with kiwi on this. Split space can be both functional and aesthetically pleasing.
Stahp tryin to ruin muh plates :O
Post by: lazyfart on Sun, 14 October 2018, 09:46:02
Post by: Funktion on Thu, 18 October 2018, 17:31:15
Post by: LoneWolf6 on Tue, 30 October 2018, 08:59:21
Post by: Undrcontrl on Tue, 30 October 2018, 16:35:11
Won't lie, I have only read the first page of comments because I just came across this and it is now 12 pages deep.75% is basically a more compact version of a tkl. Idk why you would ever need split space on this layout tbh. Plus just because space is "wasted" doesnt mean that it SHOULD be cut up.
Did you decide whether to ad split space back into the design? I LOVE this board but would be fully sold only if it had the split space. A 6 or 7u key has a TON of wasted space, tbh, so chopping even just in half allows for more functionality that ever.
Think about it, 99% of people use 1 thumb and hit the space within a 1-2u area, leaving so much space wasted.
Remsky, you are right. Just because space is "wasted" doesn't mean that it SHOULD be cut up. Yet this hobby is here for the idea that people are allowed to express their interest in changes to board, purchase boards that work for them...we are allowed to have a difference of opinion on what is the most ideal layout for each person. I could own an 1800 layout and still want split space. Why? Because I only use 1-2u worth of space for "space" and the rest of that space in a standard spacebar has been dedicated to backspace and enter, which I can now hit with shorter movement of my hands, especially since my thumb now rests directly over the backspace.
It isn't about whether I have enough keys to do what I want, a 40% works just as well for my day to day use as a full board does, it is about what is comfortable and efficient for ME to type on so I simply asked if he had put more thought into it since it had been an idea. That would have sold me immediately on the board but now I have to think about whether I need another "standard" board.
My daily boards are ergodox and a Banana, which both have the backspace/space/enter on the thumb cluster area so I am so used to the movement that I consistently mess up when typing on any other keyboard. For this reason I have a number of beautiful boards sitting here that get little use because of this. It is my opinion, my boards, and what works for me and I am happy to just be me and the one who likes it, yet I also respect people such as yourself that believe a full size space is ideal.
Saying that, I am saddened that the board will not, at least, support the option for split space and I will now have to think a bit more on whether it is for me to join this GB but I still appreciate what the runner has done with breaking up the standard 75% and do not fault at all that what I enjoy is not there.
Post by: fcnchuck on Wed, 07 November 2018, 10:56:06
Looks great as I have been looking for a new 75% for a while. In for one.
Post by: TheMastermind on Thu, 08 November 2018, 17:09:13
Post by: Insomnium on Sat, 10 November 2018, 12:32:26
I believe he had another project running while this was on IC. It's been a bit of a reservation for me as well however. I'm hoping this will run through a reputable vendor and not just through geekhack. Makes me feel more secure with my money that way.
Don't get me wrong I am excited but your worries are shared among many I'm sure.
Yep, basically had another project and this was sort of planned to run after that through the same vendor which turned in to quite the waste of time.
That being said, it will still be through a reputable vendor although not as originally planned, it is in much better hands and things are progressing finally.
Do you have a particular date in mind for the GB? How is the prepartation process coming along, we are still patiently waiting for any new information and the eventual GB :D
Post by: Poblopuablo on Sat, 10 November 2018, 23:21:42
I believe he had another project running while this was on IC. It's been a bit of a reservation for me as well however. I'm hoping this will run through a reputable vendor and not just through geekhack. Makes me feel more secure with my money that way.
Don't get me wrong I am excited but your worries are shared among many I'm sure.
Yep, basically had another project and this was sort of planned to run after that through the same vendor which turned in to quite the waste of time.
That being said, it will still be through a reputable vendor although not as originally planned, it is in much better hands and things are progressing finally.
Do you have a particular date in mind for the GB? How is the prepartation process coming along, we are still patiently waiting for any new information and the eventual GB :D
I second this question.... And I third it, and I fourth it. :)
So excited just would like to know because I have a couple other boards I'm interested in also, but can't afford them all at the same time. :) (One is going on group buy in a month, but if this is around the same time, I'll just pass on that lol)
Post by: sythie on Thu, 15 November 2018, 05:26:52
A PVD brass case option would look damn fine :rolleyes:
Post by: sythie on Sun, 18 November 2018, 03:49:02
Layout A from the image below, where the F9-row aligns with the 0-key and others below.
(https://i.imgur.com/ciUr8js.png)
I believe this to be the render:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4307/36098571911_aef3939151_z.jpg)
Post by: fcnchuck on Tue, 20 November 2018, 11:42:17
I really hope the GB pans out.
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 20 November 2018, 14:23:23
bump for this board.
I really hope the GB pans out.
No worries, it will. Samples have been made, factory was testing finishes for the pvd brass. Announcement and pics will come when they are in hand.
Post by: SBN on Tue, 20 November 2018, 14:24:47
bump for this board.
I really hope the GB pans out.
No worries, it will. Samples have been made, factory was testing finishes for the pvd brass. Announcement and pics will come when they are in hand.
NICE
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Post by: yuppie on Tue, 20 November 2018, 14:26:21
Post by: Funktion on Tue, 20 November 2018, 14:29:36
bump for this board.
I really hope the GB pans out.
No worries, it will. Samples have been made, factory was testing finishes for the pvd brass. Announcement and pics will come when they are in hand.
NICE
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The long wait is almost over. Glad to hear about the progress.
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 20 November 2018, 14:35:00
Really love the updated logo on the back! Glad to see some movement on this.
Renders are a bit outdated, it has been switched back to a through weight but that same logo is on the weight as well.
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 20 November 2018, 14:39:42
Renders are a bit outdated, it has been switched back to a through weight but that same logo is on the weight as well.
Hype me up fam
Post by: blizzara01 on Tue, 20 November 2018, 17:34:44
Post by: RominRonin on Tue, 20 November 2018, 20:13:28
What happened to the slit space bar idea?
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Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Tue, 20 November 2018, 20:21:10
X2...Renders are a bit outdated, it has been switched back to a through weight but that same logo is on the weight as well.
Hype me up fam
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 20 November 2018, 22:11:47
This is very interesting.
What happened to the slit space bar idea?
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It was long ago rejected?
Post by: PikaJoyce on Sun, 25 November 2018, 19:06:54
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 26 November 2018, 14:14:00
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Mon, 26 November 2018, 14:26:33
Pwner, since this is being run through zeal, can we expect the same anodizing quality /overall quality as seen on the zephyr? If so, I'm really glad you went with zeal as the vendor!
Edit: also, will it be possible to buy plates&pcbs separately? I wouldn't mind a half and full plate setup.
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 26 November 2018, 14:30:18
Post by: P1kas on Mon, 26 November 2018, 14:32:37
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 26 November 2018, 15:38:37
Hope I can add a PCB to the purchase. And perhaps make the build hotswappable, and with both plate options.
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 26 November 2018, 16:57:18
Holy ****, I never thought I'd see the day!
Pwner, since this is being run through zeal, can we expect the same anodizing quality /overall quality as seen on the zephyr? If so, I'm really glad you went with zeal as the vendor!
Edit: also, will it be possible to buy plates&pcbs separately? I wouldn't mind a half and full plate setup.
Yes, same factory as zephyr.
At the moment due to shopify limitations and the shipping box, no. I will see if there is anything I can do to sort this out.
This is going to be my end-game!
Hope I can add a PCB to the purchase. And perhaps make the build hotswappable, and with both plate options.
As mentioned above due to shopify limitations and the shipping box extras aren't currently available. I'm assuming Zeal will have some stocked on his site, but I will confirm that.
Question. The half plate is Brass? I thought it was going to be PC.
We were not happy with the pc sample. Switching to brass allowed us to offer more pvd choices without worry of splitting moq between different plate materials.
Big thank you to everyone that has stuck by and supported me on what seemed like an endless journey, it is very much appreciated!
Post by: SolidCactus on Mon, 26 November 2018, 17:00:24
Post by: stoic-lemon on Mon, 26 November 2018, 17:15:43
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 26 November 2018, 17:22:20
My birthday is early next year so I think I know what I'm going to get!
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 26 November 2018, 18:04:23
I can’t believe it’s actually happening! Going to grab one in purple! Is there a limit to the group buy?
No limit.
Forgot to say a BIG thankyou for running an extended buy like this. Definitely need to recover from recent buys and save for Christmas.
My birthday is early next year so I think I know what I'm going to get!
You were one of my earliest supporters, I appreciate you sticking with me! <3
Very happy that this is turning into a reality after all this time. Hope it goes well.
Thank you!
Post by: SBN on Mon, 26 November 2018, 18:10:29
Congrats Pwner and good luck with the GB! But since it’s run by zeal I’m sure it’ll turn out amazingly.
Do you have any clearer pictures of the board and especially of the colors? It’s kind of hard to see in the darker images (and where is the silver?).
Post by: laughatpain on Mon, 26 November 2018, 18:11:26
Post by: xondat on Mon, 26 November 2018, 18:13:48
Post by: Pwner on Mon, 26 November 2018, 18:33:30
Wow...it’s here!! :D
Congrats Pwner and good luck with the GB! But since it’s run by zeal I’m sure it’ll turn out amazingly.
Do you have any clearer pictures of the board and especially of the colors? It’s kind of hard to see in the darker images (and where is the silver?).
There is a picture of the purple sample in the full plate listing. More available asap, my render game is weak. :(
Glad to see this running, I hope it goes smoothly
<3
ISO?
x60v2?
Post by: rondg on Mon, 26 November 2018, 19:01:35
Post by: hervuli on Mon, 26 November 2018, 20:06:33
I assume no since it's not mentioned, but does the PCB have SMD RGB LEDs like the Zephyr PCB or the Zeal60?
Post by: Melanic on Mon, 26 November 2018, 20:52:29
Given that the delivery date is so far away I'll likely forget that I ordered this and get some pleasant surprise some time next year.
Post by: fcnchuck on Tue, 27 November 2018, 10:30:08
Thank you for the ample GB time. Should make this purchase easier.
Post by: Signature on Tue, 27 November 2018, 10:31:56
Best of luck with GB :thumb:
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 27 November 2018, 23:49:26