1. Wait for competitor to announce still expensive pricing of $1 per switch
2. Match competitor's pricing because undercutting the competition would be rude ;)
3. Nobody complains about $1 a switch
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: big brain massdrop :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
edit: forgot these came with the halo stem while the gsus pandas dont. So I guess it is an acceptable deal.
"The Massdrop x Invyr Holy Panda Mechanical Switches will launch Dec 7 at 6 a.m. PT. At checkout, choose a set of 20 (base price), 50 (+$30), 70 (+$50), 90 (+$70), 110 (+$80), 180 (+$142), or 330 (+$260) switches."
See here https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches
(I have nothing in common with MD, I just consider the news interesting and long awaited, also in context of other recent hot debates about holy pandas here)
has there been any accuracy testing on these ones?
has there been any accuracy testing on these ones?
1. Wait for competitor to announce still expensive pricing of $1 per switch
2. Match competitor's pricing because undercutting the competition would be rude ;)
3. Nobody complains about $1 a switch
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: big brain massdrop :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
edit: forgot these came with the halo stem while the gsus pandas dont. So I guess it is an acceptable deal.
1. Wait for competitor to announce still expensive pricing of $1 per switch
2. Match competitor's pricing because undercutting the competition would be rude ;)
3. Nobody complains about $1 a switch
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: big brain massdrop :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
edit: forgot these came with the halo stem while the gsus pandas dont. So I guess it is an acceptable deal.
You must've missed his edit...
Supervan was running @ $1 for a panda clone. Then you’d have to source out halo stems/switches which i’m sure not a lot of people would be willing to sell. Supply and demand will make halo prices shoot up if that were the case.
Correct me if i’m wrong?
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.
Someone care to prove me wrong?
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.
Someone care to prove me wrong?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/FP/PbGDyVTP2ij8idM4Ql7Q_AI7B8125-copy.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=412&h=414&dpr=3.5&q=14)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IfBy5Xz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.
Someone care to prove me wrong?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/FP/PbGDyVTP2ij8idM4Ql7Q_AI7B8125-copy.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=412&h=414&dpr=3.5&q=14)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IfBy5Xz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Top post in discussion. https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/talk#discussions
BSUN had broken moulds, has had money invested to be fixed. Two manufacturers are involved in making these.
Working off of round 2 samples, both Zisb and 27 won't release until they're certain they're as good as the original round.
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.
Someone care to prove me wrong?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/FP/PbGDyVTP2ij8idM4Ql7Q_AI7B8125-copy.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=412&h=414&dpr=3.5&q=14)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IfBy5Xz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Top post in discussion. https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/talk#discussions
BSUN had broken moulds, has had money invested to be fixed. Two manufacturers are involved in making these.
Working off of round 2 samples, both Zisb and 27 won't release until they're certain they're as good as the original round.
That doesn't prove anything. By good, do you mean as terrible as the first round?
Someone care to prove me wrong?
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.
Someone care to prove me wrong?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/FP/PbGDyVTP2ij8idM4Ql7Q_AI7B8125-copy.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=412&h=414&dpr=3.5&q=14)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IfBy5Xz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.
Someone care to prove me wrong?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/FP/PbGDyVTP2ij8idM4Ql7Q_AI7B8125-copy.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=412&h=414&dpr=3.5&q=14)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IfBy5Xz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
the tops and bottoms are made of different plastics, that could explain the color difference
the tops and bottoms are made of different plastics, that could explain the color difference
the tops and bottoms are made of different plastics, that could explain the color difference
Well, Supervan mentioned in his thread that Panda R2 is not going to be same as R1 because this time they use polycarbonate top housing.
Whether this is good or bad remains to be seen. I'd expect mixed reception. Polycarbonate housing is probably going to be somewhat smoother than the original, but in the same time will sound worse because poly has some inherent zing to it.
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.
Someone care to prove me wrong?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/FP/PbGDyVTP2ij8idM4Ql7Q_AI7B8125-copy.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=412&h=414&dpr=3.5&q=14)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IfBy5Xz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
the tops and bottoms are made of different plastics, that could explain the color difference
Well, Supervan mentioned in his thread that Panda R2 is not going to be same as R1 because this time they use polycarbonate top housing.
Whether this is good or bad remains to be seen. I'd expect mixed reception. Polycarbonate housing is probably going to be somewhat smoother than the original, but in the same time will sound worse because poly has some inherent zing to it.
Just a reminder that Supervan's word is now completely useless. Everything he said was a lie in his thread. He stated that 27 had flown to China and purchased switches = Untrue. He said the molds for pandas had been destroyed but had access to them = untrue. He said that he would be doing a GB for the switches = Somewhat true, but the fact of the matter is that he bought switches before collecting money and now he's SOL.
He's got every reason to crap on the MD Pandas and make claims that aren't true. The original creators said that the MD pandas would be the same materials as the originals...
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.
Someone care to prove me wrong?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/FP/PbGDyVTP2ij8idM4Ql7Q_AI7B8125-copy.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=412&h=414&dpr=3.5&q=14)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IfBy5Xz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
My cream switches are the only switches being used with the MX style latching system from Kailh.
Joined.
Can someone enlighten or remind us, what the material of the switch top housing of the original Invyr Panda is? Not POM, not Polycorbonate, not known?
If not the same material, I'd say, wait for some switch testing first, if you expect real Holy Pandas..
But whatever, even if they are not the same, competition is always good (for us..).
6 month ship date and the molds haven't even been fixed yet. How are they sending reviewer samples out when they have broken molds? How do they even know they can fix the molds in a way that will bring them back to the originals?
100% shadiness going on here. It should be clear to everyone what MD is trying to do.
So was original Invyr Panda Nylon bottom? Advertisement says it was all POM, which seemed to be not really the case, according to some smoke video on youtube (and now also Puddy has a different opinion)?!
Either way, MD will be a second and in my book different batch. I will just keep watching the show and supply and joice of Panda likes can just increase..
Tough decision to be made: join/buy this massdrop, or stay away? I miss in-depth information: who is behind this massdrop? Are the switches knock-offs or accurate copies? Why don't they give these switches out to independent testers? All this lack of info gives me a bad feeling.
Tough decision to be made: join/buy this massdrop, or stay away? I miss in-depth information: who is behind this massdrop? Are the switches knock-offs or accurate copies? Why don't they give these switches out to independent testers? All this lack of info gives me a bad feeling.
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.
Someone care to prove me wrong?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/FP/PbGDyVTP2ij8idM4Ql7Q_AI7B8125-copy.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=412&h=414&dpr=3.5&q=14)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IfBy5Xz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
My cream switches are the only switches being used with the MX style latching system from Kailh.
that solves that
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.
Someone care to prove me wrong?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/FP/PbGDyVTP2ij8idM4Ql7Q_AI7B8125-copy.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=412&h=414&dpr=3.5&q=14)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IfBy5Xz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
The casings are manufactured with the original Panda moulds from BSUN and the stems are Massdrop's Halo stems.
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.
Someone care to prove me wrong?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/FP/PbGDyVTP2ij8idM4Ql7Q_AI7B8125-copy.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=412&h=414&dpr=3.5&q=14)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IfBy5Xz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
My cream switches are the only switches being used with the MX style latching system from Kailh.
that solves that
Right, because massdrop has never claimed an idea or switch design as thier own before.
I have a feeling that these are just Halo true switches with white tops. I believe the novelkeys cream switches use the different Kalih cherry style latch.
Someone care to prove me wrong?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-invyr-holy-panda-mechanical-switches/FP/PbGDyVTP2ij8idM4Ql7Q_AI7B8125-copy.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=412&h=414&dpr=3.5&q=14)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IfBy5Xz_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
My cream switches are the only switches being used with the MX style latching system from Kailh.
that solves that
Right, because massdrop has never claimed an idea or switch design as thier own before.
My comment just meant that I own the tooling to the cream switches and no other company can use them.
Tough decision to be made: join/buy this massdrop, or stay away? I miss in-depth information: who is behind this massdrop? Are the switches knock-offs or accurate copies? Why don't they give these switches out to independent testers? All this lack of info gives me a bad feeling.
Pay with paypal, if MD doesn't live up to any of the claims in the next 6 months, with the samples, moulds etc... File a claim with paypal.
Tough decision to be made: join/buy this massdrop, or stay away? I miss in-depth information: who is behind this massdrop? Are the switches knock-offs or accurate copies? Why don't they give these switches out to independent testers? All this lack of info gives me a bad feeling.
Pay with paypal, if MD doesn't live up to any of the claims in the next 6 months, with the samples, moulds etc... File a claim with paypal.
too bad the shipping date is just about 6 months after payment collection...
massdrop has generally had a roller coaster perception in the community but I'm pretty positive if they went forward with this drop and the "holy pandas" they charge for are not the equivalent of the holy panda the community thinks they're getting- it'll be pretty catastrophic on their rep... so I think they'll get this right.
massdrop has generally had a roller coaster perception in the community but I'm pretty positive if they went forward with this drop and the "holy pandas" they charge for are not the equivalent of the holy panda the community thinks they're getting- it'll be pretty catastrophic on their rep... so I think they'll get this right.
this is literally the only reason I am joining the drop right now. But if I see any nope signs I'm pulling out so fast.
In case anyone hasn't heard already, Quakemz has confirmed with Massdrop that the "samples" they sent out used original Invyr Panda housings, meaning they are not the same product being sold in the GB. https://topclack.com/textclack/2018/12/19/holy-panda-switches-new-and-old-by-quakemz
I can't think of anything to call this other than scummy. Pretending to have samples in order to get good reviews is such a ****ty thing to do. I'll be waiting until the 1st round is over so we can get real reviews of this product, since Massdrop seems to screw up most things where they're responsible for organizing manufacturing.
But that isn't what is happening here. They're making a copy of an existing switch. The samples were sent out in order for people to verify that they feel the same as the original, existing switches. Sending out the original switches for people to verify that they feel the same as the original switches serves no purpose other than deceit.In case anyone hasn't heard already, Quakemz has confirmed with Massdrop that the "samples" they sent out used original Invyr Panda housings, meaning they are not the same product being sold in the GB. https://topclack.com/textclack/2018/12/19/holy-panda-switches-new-and-old-by-quakemz
I can't think of anything to call this other than scummy. Pretending to have samples in order to get good reviews is such a ****ty thing to do. I'll be waiting until the 1st round is over so we can get real reviews of this product, since Massdrop seems to screw up most things where they're responsible for organizing manufacturing.
Admittedly, I do think it's strange to send someone samples of something to test out and provide a review only to later state it's not the final product. If they had said that beforehand it would've been slightly more reasonable. However, I do get that there are plenty of companies out there who send out review products that are not finalized to get thoughts on how to improve them before the final production.
Sending out the original switches for people to verify that they feel the same as the original switches serves no purpose other than deceit.Ye, if this imputation is true, then these original switches they call "samples" aren't samples of the advertised product, but of another product. Is there some person in charge for the MD who can be contacted and asked about this matter?
wasn't it 27 that sent the samples? Least thats what he said in the Massdrop thread. Massdrop never said they were personally sending anything out. I mean Massdrop might be semi innocent in this.
wasn't it 27 that sent the samples? Least thats what he said in the Massdrop thread. Massdrop never said they were personally sending anything out. I mean Massdrop might be semi innocent in this.
It was Massdrop that sent them out, 27 has pretty much done nothing related to the GB as of yet. He's asking YanboWu to comment on the whole thing since he's the one who actually works for MD. The new HPs are going to be the same, it'll be a repaired mould. Even a clone was close to replicating it.
wasn't it 27 that sent the samples? Least thats what he said in the Massdrop thread. Massdrop never said they were personally sending anything out. I mean Massdrop might be semi innocent in this.
It was Massdrop that sent them out, 27 has pretty much done nothing related to the GB as of yet. He's asking YanboWu to comment on the whole thing since he's the one who actually works for MD. The new HPs are going to be the same, it'll be a repaired mould. Even a clone was close to replicating it.
wasn't it 27 that sent the samples? Least thats what he said in the Massdrop thread. Massdrop never said they were personally sending anything out. I mean Massdrop might be semi innocent in this.
It was Massdrop that sent them out, 27 has pretty much done nothing related to the GB as of yet. He's asking YanboWu to comment on the whole thing since he's the one who actually works for MD. The new HPs are going to be the same, it'll be a repaired mould. Even a clone was close to replicating it.
Then what was 27 talking about when he made this comment https://gyazo.com/7eb87ec98dc84977ca7f7b767965fe7c in that comment he said he was sending out the samples not massdrop.
I mean, I've never bought from MD before - can't we just cancel the order even though the GB purchase date has been reached? Say, they send out samples in March - and they turn out to be ****, can't we just cancel at that point in time and be refunded - or does it have to be within the GB period?
i can't belive i still get involved in posts about this ****
anyway
the samples were to prove the supply chain worked (which was the biggest obstacle), production samples should come in march (or earlier)
so, these were newly manufactured, but with a slightly different piece of tooling, which was a communication error
the only part of the original mold that was damaged was the runners, so the gates and sprues are fine
the entity that made the mistake here was massdrop for not communicating, and there has been assurance from md that communication will be improved in the future
other than that, i know as much as you guys do
there's a lot of misinformation being spread, which isn't doing anyone any favors
i will also say that personally attacking anyone doesn't do anything to solve the problem. the best thing you can do right now is to vote with your wallet
cancelling a massdrop order is as easy as sending a support ticket, maybe easier
the dates for most of this had been planned out before gsus even entered IC, so it's just a case of unfortunate timing on both ends, i seriously doubt md is intentionally being shady to gain sales
but im sure there are plenty of you who won't believe me anyway and i'll probably get a few more pms on discord telling me to harm myself in creative ways because some of you get way twisted about ****ing keyboard switches
occam's razor applies
i can't belive i still get involved in posts about this ****
anyway
the samples were to prove the supply chain worked (which was the biggest obstacle), production samples should come in march (or earlier)
so, these were newly manufactured, but with a slightly different piece of tooling, which was a communication error
the only part of the original mold that was damaged was the runners, so the gates and sprues are fine
the entity that made the mistake here was massdrop for not communicating, and there has been assurance from md that communication will be improved in the future
other than that, i know as much as you guys do
there's a lot of misinformation being spread, which isn't doing anyone any favors
i will also say that personally attacking anyone doesn't do anything to solve the problem. the best thing you can do right now is to vote with your wallet
cancelling a massdrop order is as easy as sending a support ticket, maybe easier
the dates for most of this had been planned out before gsus even entered IC, so it's just a case of unfortunate timing on both ends, i seriously doubt md is intentionally being shady to gain sales
but im sure there are plenty of you who won't believe me anyway and i'll probably get a few more pms on discord telling me to harm myself in creative ways because some of you get way twisted about ****ing keyboard switches
occam's razor applies
How can you say this after you've nuked the whole HP fiasco thread on reddit?
I am interested in Holy Pandas. Are they similar to original HP switches?
I mean, I've never bought from MD before - can't we just cancel the order even though the GB purchase date has been reached? Say, they send out samples in March - and they turn out to be ****, can't we just cancel at that point in time and be refunded - or does it have to be within the GB period?
Massdrop almost always allows people to cancel their order post-drop, especially if any issues are encountered (manufacturing defects, any sort of delay etc). There is absolutely no reason to think this drop would be any different.
So honestly the people running around spreading propaganda and threatening people need to seriously sit down and look in the mirror and consider joining a different hobby- this community can be more toxic than the gaming community sometimes but I guess they overlap. You have literally almost nothing to lose.
They're keyboard switches, Massdrop is trying to solve a major market need. Honestly the worst case scenario in this drop is that the initial run doesn't meet expectations, they delay it and get it right. Massdrop didn't get to where they are today by scamming people.
I'm looking forward to when these turn out to be completely fine and all the conspiracy theorists change their names and make new accounts and start begging Massdrop to re-run it.
"No good deed goes unpunished"
TL:DR y'all need Jesus, or should've just gotten GSUS.
i can't belive i still get involved in posts about this ****
anyway
the samples were to prove the supply chain worked (which was the biggest obstacle), production samples should come in march (or earlier)
so, these were newly manufactured, but with a slightly different piece of tooling, which was a communication error
the only part of the original mold that was damaged was the runners, so the gates and sprues are fine
the entity that made the mistake here was massdrop for not communicating, and there has been assurance from md that communication will be improved in the future
other than that, i know as much as you guys do
there's a lot of misinformation being spread, which isn't doing anyone any favors
i will also say that personally attacking anyone doesn't do anything to solve the problem. the best thing you can do right now is to vote with your wallet
cancelling a massdrop order is as easy as sending a support ticket, maybe easier
the dates for most of this had been planned out before gsus even entered IC, so it's just a case of unfortunate timing on both ends, i seriously doubt md is intentionally being shady to gain sales
but im sure there are plenty of you who won't believe me anyway and i'll probably get a few more pms on discord telling me to harm myself in creative ways because some of you get way twisted about ****ing keyboard switches
occam's razor applies
How can you say this after you've nuked the whole HP fiasco thread on reddit?
Because I personally attacked his buddy somehow and he banned me for it.
i can't belive i still get involved in posts about this ****
anyway
the samples were to prove the supply chain worked (which was the biggest obstacle), production samples should come in march (or earlier)
so, these were newly manufactured, but with a slightly different piece of tooling, which was a communication error
the only part of the original mold that was damaged was the runners, so the gates and sprues are fine
the entity that made the mistake here was massdrop for not communicating, and there has been assurance from md that communication will be improved in the future
other than that, i know as much as you guys do
there's a lot of misinformation being spread, which isn't doing anyone any favors
i will also say that personally attacking anyone doesn't do anything to solve the problem. the best thing you can do right now is to vote with your wallet
cancelling a massdrop order is as easy as sending a support ticket, maybe easier
the dates for most of this had been planned out before gsus even entered IC, so it's just a case of unfortunate timing on both ends, i seriously doubt md is intentionally being shady to gain sales
but im sure there are plenty of you who won't believe me anyway and i'll probably get a few more pms on discord telling me to harm myself in creative ways because some of you get way twisted about ****ing keyboard switches
occam's razor applies
How can you say this after you've nuked the whole HP fiasco thread on reddit?
Because I personally attacked his buddy somehow and he banned me for it.
I'll never understand why that mod came from Reddit to the Gsus GB just to start more drama and basically call for the GH mods on that post
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/aaqy74/massdrop_holy_panda_update_final_samples_have/
Looks like MD may have pulled through on the samples at the 11th hour. There's no way to confirm if this new sample was from the old batch, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and putting in an order.
I put money aside for this. I'm eager to try them out.Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming the MD Holy Pandas use the standard Invyr Panda springs, which are 67g bottom out.
BTW, if I'm used to using 68-72g SPRiT springs, are these stock springs going to need swapping?
Yes, and people usually dont swap themI put money aside for this. I'm eager to try them out.Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming the MD Holy Pandas use the standard Invyr Panda springs, which are 67g bottom out.
BTW, if I'm used to using 68-72g SPRiT springs, are these stock springs going to need swapping?
Yes, and people usually dont swap themI put money aside for this. I'm eager to try them out.Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming the MD Holy Pandas use the standard Invyr Panda springs, which are 67g bottom out.
BTW, if I'm used to using 68-72g SPRiT springs, are these stock springs going to need swapping?
Please stick to the topic, not lubing.
Please stick to the topic, not lubing.