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GMK does ABS justice!
« on: Tue, 14 November 2017, 01:09:58 »
I always figured PBT is simply better than ABS hands down. GMK has changed that feeling. After they get shiny it is not like a $5 rubber dome. It is a very nice feel IMO. I am sure everyone knows this but I figured just in case anyone does not. ABS or not they are some of the best key caps IMO. I never thought I would say that about ABS :)

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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 14 November 2017, 02:04:14 »
GMK is like a fine wine... you have to let them age  :))
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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 14 November 2017, 19:50:39 »
What bugs me is when they (almost invariably) shine unevenly.
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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 14 November 2017, 20:03:54 »
What bugs me is when they (almost invariably) shine unevenly.

That's the best part really, they wear to fit the user

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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 15 November 2017, 02:35:08 »
I always hated shiny ABS. I love these. There are obviously different qualities of anything. ABS gets a bad rep because it is all on junk $5 boards. The whole set plus 3 extra and one custom was about 200 bucks. Had to collect them too they do not just come in a package. They feel sublime and now PBT just feels hard. These are like butter. I had to use them like 3 months before shiny and I bet they have a ways to go. I think signature plastics might be pretty similar? The Germans make quality though. This is no Chinese BS.

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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 15 November 2017, 02:38:47 »
I love my GMK keys kinda love hate them! I hate they shined so fast.. but love the way they feel. Just dang man less then 2 weeks of use and the space bar is already shiny. I don't think I am that rough.

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 15 November 2017, 03:33:26 »
I love my GMK keys kinda love hate them! I hate they shined so fast.. but love the way they feel. Just dang man less then 2 weeks of use and the space bar is already shiny. I don't think I am that rough.

That has to be somehow related to your skin chemistry, because after several month of use I didn't have shine on my GMK spacebar.

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 15 November 2017, 11:24:23 »
I love my GMK keys kinda love hate them! I hate they shined so fast.. but love the way they feel. Just dang man less then 2 weeks of use and the space bar is already shiny. I don't think I am that rough.

That has to be somehow related to your skin chemistry, because after several month of use I didn't have shine on my GMK spacebar.

read that multiple places and it sounds silly but makes perfect since. That skin chemistry would react to the ABS when its being touched. I think you might very well be right. It also explain logically why my JTK isn't shined yet. Assuming they use another plastic formula ((Key's dont feel the same to me)). There got to be a handful of recipes to make ABS plastic sure not everyone uses the exact same formula. Cause I know the GMK have a soft almost butter feeling to them. Thats just so nice to type on and the JTK's are a bit harder.

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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 15 November 2017, 11:34:32 »
I have an old set of OG Cherry doubleshots.  Either by extreme use or by intentional buffing, they are entirely shiny.  There is no texture left on any key.  Combined with my OG KMAC and korean-tuned ergo-clears, hey are hands down my favorite set.  Pure bliss.  I agree that Cherry/GMK is better than PBT (Imsto, EnjoyPBT, etc) and far better than SP ABS or POM.

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 15 November 2017, 15:44:36 »
Shiny OG dyesub PBT is where the real truth is. Feels like GMK++

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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 15 November 2017, 22:15:32 »
It must take a long time to shine a PBT set

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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 15 November 2017, 22:35:46 »
It must take a long time to shine a PBT set

I have been trying to...
My set still looks brand new, no shine what so ever even half a year later.
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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 16 November 2017, 01:43:04 »
It must take a long time to shine a PBT set

I have a keyboard with shined PBT from probably 20 years ago... it was used as a phone company operators keyboard so typed on constantly 24 hours a day for a decade. The caps are beautiful. Not to mention the cherry black switches are the smoothest blacks i've ever felt and they're not vintage.  :eek:
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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 16 November 2017, 16:05:22 »
It must take a long time to shine a PBT set

I have a keyboard with shined PBT from probably 20 years ago... it was used as a phone company operators keyboard so typed on constantly 24 hours a day for a decade. The caps are beautiful. Not to mention the cherry black switches are the smoothest blacks i've ever felt and they're not vintage.  :eek:

That's cool! I've had a similar experience.

I'm using some Nissho hipro key caps on my HHKB. They're PBT and also super shiny... Definitely my favorite set in looks and feel.

I think the key caps were worn in from all the years of data entry in Japan lol.

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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 16 November 2017, 16:09:30 »
my main pbt set on my lz-s is starting to shine. ABS sucks ass but GMK is tolerable ABS. PBT still superior in every way especially since legends are for scrubs anyway. and POM >>>>>
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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 17 November 2017, 00:01:20 »
GMK quality has slipped slightly in recent months with the rise of colorways ported from the mainstream community, but the tooling has not changed, and that's what matters. OG doubleshots always feel amazing when worn.

German engineering man. I can't say the same for VW but the quality of GMK is timeless. I can see where that quality comes from when I look at my Eickhorn KM2000.
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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 17 November 2017, 00:10:17 »
GMK quality has slipped slightly in recent months with the rise of colorways ported from the mainstream community, but the tooling has not changed, and that's what matters. OG doubleshots always feel amazing when worn.

German engineering man. I can't say the same for VW but the quality of GMK is timeless. I can see where that quality comes from when I look at my Eickhorn KM2000.

just curious to what you mean? I recently got a GMK set thats fresh run and the spacebar shined in no time we are talking less then a month. I just wondering if thats what you meant with drop in quality. I am kinda at the moment just contributing it to... my skin but the JTK set have had for a few months has zero shine and has been used more overall.

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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 17 November 2017, 00:41:31 »
just curious to what you mean? I recently got a GMK set thats fresh run and the spacebar shined in no time we are talking less then a month. I just wondering if thats what you meant with drop in quality. I am kinda at the moment just contributing it to... my skin but the JTK set have had for a few months has zero shine and has been used more overall.

Which GMK set?

My Sky Dolch had some poorly aligned (for GMK) legends. HFuse I cannot say because I hated GMK HFuse and its horrible contrast on the mods (SP's color palette for DSA HFuse is far better). Carbon is a good example as font thicknesses are all over the place (I like to draw comparison between the nubbed and the regular F keys I have, one is bold and the other looks like the "light" version of the font). My JTK WoB seems kinda oily off the bat so there's not too much of a difference between new and worn.

The current OG G80-3000 doubleshots I'm typing on are actually flawless for something that is decades old. Shiny of course, but that is part of the GMK appeal. Same with the French G80-3700 keys I have (sadly the board is gone). They are not shiny but I can't pick out a single thing wrong with the keys. Made in January 2001. I also have a Classic Retro set from GMK that is obviously new(er) but holds to a stellar level of perfection.

F, WASD, Q and E wore shiny on my Sky Dolch within 2 months. It's what ABS does. At least it's easy to wash off the skin oils and retain the attractive, smooth shine with GMK, as opposed to mass-market and OEM ABS that becomes horrible and disgusting in both aesthetics and feel after worn.
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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 17 November 2017, 01:41:26 »
just curious to what you mean? I recently got a GMK set thats fresh run and the spacebar shined in no time we are talking less then a month. I just wondering if thats what you meant with drop in quality. I am kinda at the moment just contributing it to... my skin but the JTK set have had for a few months has zero shine and has been used more overall.

Which GMK set?

My Sky Dolch had some poorly aligned (for GMK) legends. HFuse I cannot say because I hated GMK HFuse and its horrible contrast on the mods (SP's color palette for DSA HFuse is far better). Carbon is a good example as font thicknesses are all over the place (I like to draw comparison between the nubbed and the regular F keys I have, one is bold and the other looks like the "light" version of the font). My JTK WoB seems kinda oily off the bat so there's not too much of a difference between new and worn.

The current OG G80-3000 doubleshots I'm typing on are actually flawless for something that is decades old. Shiny of course, but that is part of the GMK appeal. Same with the French G80-3700 keys I have (sadly the board is gone). They are not shiny but I can't pick out a single thing wrong with the keys. Made in January 2001. I also have a Classic Retro set from GMK that is obviously new(er) but holds to a stellar level of perfection.

F, WASD, Q and E wore shiny on my Sky Dolch within 2 months. It's what ABS does. At least it's easy to wash off the skin oils and retain the attractive, smooth shine with GMK, as opposed to mass-market and OEM ABS that becomes horrible and disgusting in both aesthetics and feel after worn.

It was GMK Miami nights. Which was a recent buy. I keep debating back and forth about lazer. I really want it but it feels pretty crappy to spend 180 bucks are in this case it be 119 (which is easier to justify by a lot) for something you know is going to get shiny in a few weeks and not look new.

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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 17 November 2017, 01:56:19 »
just curious to what you mean? I recently got a GMK set thats fresh run and the spacebar shined in no time we are talking less then a month. I just wondering if thats what you meant with drop in quality. I am kinda at the moment just contributing it to... my skin but the JTK set have had for a few months has zero shine and has been used more overall.

Which GMK set?

My Sky Dolch had some poorly aligned (for GMK) legends. HFuse I cannot say because I hated GMK HFuse and its horrible contrast on the mods (SP's color palette for DSA HFuse is far better). Carbon is a good example as font thicknesses are all over the place (I like to draw comparison between the nubbed and the regular F keys I have, one is bold and the other looks like the "light" version of the font). My JTK WoB seems kinda oily off the bat so there's not too much of a difference between new and worn.

The current OG G80-3000 doubleshots I'm typing on are actually flawless for something that is decades old. Shiny of course, but that is part of the GMK appeal. Same with the French G80-3700 keys I have (sadly the board is gone). They are not shiny but I can't pick out a single thing wrong with the keys. Made in January 2001. I also have a Classic Retro set from GMK that is obviously new(er) but holds to a stellar level of perfection.

F, WASD, Q and E wore shiny on my Sky Dolch within 2 months. It's what ABS does. At least it's easy to wash off the skin oils and retain the attractive, smooth shine with GMK, as opposed to mass-market and OEM ABS that becomes horrible and disgusting in both aesthetics and feel after worn.

It was GMK Miami nights. Which was a recent buy. I keep debating back and forth about lazer. I really want it but it feels pretty crappy to spend 180 bucks are in this case it be 119 (which is easier to justify by a lot) for something you know is going to get shiny in a few weeks and not look new.

These sets are what I was referring to as the new wave of mainstream color ways.

Itís not to disparage these creations. But at $120, the same price as Carbon, you get what you pay for compared to vastly more expensive classic sets. Dunno what it is, probably GMK rushing to meet demand for the ultra large GBs of new sets off MD.

GMK is not for everybody, the same way DSA is scorned by many on GH for being too primitive and unergonomic. Personally both have their applications.


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Re: GMK does ABS justice!
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 17 November 2017, 02:27:27 »
GMK quality hasn't slipped, just seems to vary more from set to set now

like my soware is perfect, but my olivetti from 2013 has some strange legend alignment issues

GMK's "T" mold has always had an alignment issue, interestingly
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