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Offline zptc

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Mechanical version of Microsoft 4000/Ergonomic
« on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 12:58:46 »
I've used the Microsoft 4000 and its successor the Ergonomic (and the 4000's predecessor as well way back in the day) for over 12 years without issue. I've tried the Redox and the Kinesis split board, both of which resulted in wrist discomfort. I'm currently trying a Dygma Raise, which I suspect is going to end up abandoned as well. I have no idea what the issue is. It seems the MS board's combination of split angle, tent angle, negative tilt (I always use the add-on riser) and key position is just right for me.

How realistic would it be for me to commission someone to make a (probably 3D printed) keyboard which duplicates the MS layout?

Offline Findecanor

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Re: Mechanical version of Microsoft 4000/Ergonomic
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 13:21:16 »
First, check out the Cloud Nine C989M. It is the closest I've seen to MS's "Natural" keyboard series.
Not much tent angle, and no negative tilt though.

Velocifire was supposed to come out with a keyboard with negative tilt, but I've yet to see it.
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Offline zptc

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Re: Mechanical version of Microsoft 4000/Ergonomic
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 13:26:23 »
I've seen the Cloud Nine. Aside from the fact that I'd be stuck with stock Cherries, I'm not really inclined to spend another couple hundred on a potential ergonomic paperweight. I'd rather spend that on a proper 4000 copy, assuming that's even possible.

Also, it'd be nice to have more than one left thumb key, which the Cloud Nine lacks.

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Re: Mechanical version of Microsoft 4000/Ergonomic
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 14:14:11 »
BTW, do you think you could adjust to liking the Dygma Raise if it was tented? (I'm interested in what people think of that particular keyboard in general)
Dygma has a tenting kit for preorder but it does not look like it would support negative tilt.
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Offline zptc

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Re: Mechanical version of Microsoft 4000/Ergonomic
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 16:22:33 »
I am tenting it with some laptop riser things off Amazon. I'm negative tilting it with an adjustable keyboard tray from Monoprice. I have lubed Tealios and lubed Durock switches. I think if the keyboard fits you it would be a solid choice. I have no idea why it's bothering me; I suspect it may be the key layout somehow. If you're interested I'd say it's worth looking into.

Offline 314group

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Re: Mechanical version of Microsoft 4000/Ergonomic
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 08 November 2021, 16:34:08 »
I was a big fan also of the Microsoft 4000, I've just bought the dygma. To be honnest, I have the same feeling especially about the negative tilting. Did you try to replace keycaps ? Did you find a viable solution ? Could you please share link for adjustable keyboard tray & laptop riser things off

Offline hoggy

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Re: Mechanical version of Microsoft 4000/Ergonomic
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 25 November 2021, 12:55:18 »
Back in the day, Lanx modified his 4000 to be mechanical.  It took a long time and was super spendy...  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=12439.0
GH Ergonomic Guide (in progress)
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54680.0

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Re: Mechanical version of Microsoft 4000/Ergonomic
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 26 November 2021, 09:07:26 »
Are you sold on it being one piece or could you go with something like the quefrency?
https://keeb.io/collections/split-keyboards

I 3d printed some tenting stands for the VE.A a while back which worked fairly well although I should have added an integrated wrist rest.

Offline hanya

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Re: Mechanical version of Microsoft 4000/Ergonomic
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 29 November 2021, 08:23:57 »
It is hard to find the same key layout with the 4000 ergo through existing kits.
I tried to make key layout to match to it but the problem was the keycaps.
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