Double shot replacements ROUND THREE: Additional kits / Color

[7bit]

Additional kits for Round Three.

Please visit the new thread to vote for kits and
give quantities of how much you would like to order.

The following is obsolete:

If you don't find here what you were looking for, please post a reply to the main thread!

All prices are maximum prices for 1 of 25 sets, except if stated otherwise.

For kits with $??-prices, please be patient.

1. POS kit   @ $18

• double-space-keys which can be mounted on top of 2 switches:

SPACE, SHIFT, ENTER, BACKSPACE, FUNCTION, DELETE,
COMPLETE, SELECT and a blank, or two. (to fit into any row or column, all black)

• single spaced keys (all in black):

TAB, ETC, (QWERTY-row), 2xCONTROL (or CTRL if CONTROL does not fit on a single key),
2xALT, 2xWIN, MENU, HYPER, SUPER

• 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 (for top rows, in grey)
• ... and some more keys.

2. Orange kit   @ $10

• W, A, S, D, E, F, R, G
• R for Colemak (ASDFG-row)
• maybe additional Dvorak keys for normal WASD-position,

if there is some demand in that set (see Round 3 main-poll).

• 4 arrows (cursor keys)
• FORWARD (FORWRD, or FORTH, or FORW), BACK, LEFT, RIGHT (cursor keys)
• FIRE and arrow up for POS or Terminal-boards (cursor cross)

3. Toy kit    @ $??

• orange key-cap puller with inscription
• other extras?

4. Top-row supplement kit for cheapskates    @ $5

• `~ to =+ (13 keys of the number row of Standard set)

This is intended for those who have a Round 1 set with off-center top-row keys, and want to buy a national layout set, only.
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5. ES kit   @ $10

• ¡This will include both layouts for Europa y América del Sur!

6. FI kit   @ $14

• same as NO, AT/DE/SE-layouts

7. NO kit   @ $14

• same as FI, AT/DE/SE-layouts

IMPORTANT:
If you want AT, DE or SE-layout, please vote for it in the main thread!
If you want FI or NO, please vote here, so I can see if one national layout sticks out and could be offered in a reduced (cheaper) version separately.


Please notice that this kit covers Austria, Germany, Finland, Norway and Sweden. Please tell me if you like it. Don't hesitate to suggest changes. Please be as specific as possible!



Layout-schemes are comming soon!

As for the color-question, if there is no consensus about a different direction of color, it will be the same as in round 1.
update: As it turns out, it will be the same as Round ONE!

Please post corrections or wishes regarding those kits here.

If you want to add wishes to other kits not listed here, or want new kits, please add suggestions to the main thread!

[Megaweapon]

Need the ESDF, but am I the only one not into the orange color of the orange kit?

Maybe something a little more subtle like a slightly lighter gray...?

[Ekaros]

That FI-kit is realy over-kill... I don't know if there acctualy exist one keyboard with finnish-multilingual layout... Full SW/FI-layout would do the job... So, it's bit moot point, still could change this option to SW/FI inluding Alt Grs...

[Hofy]

I personally would prefer red WASD gaming keys.  Just fits my computer color scheme or Black, Grey(Silver) and Red.

[7bit]

That FI-kit is realy over-kill... I don't know if there acctualy exist one keyboard with finnish-multilingual layout... Full SW/FI-layout would do the job... So, it's bit moot point, still could change this option to SW/FI inluding Alt Grs...

The best thing would be, you take the graphic from wikipedia and edit it according to what you think is best and then post it here.

[7bit]

Need the ESDF, but am I the only one not into the orange color of the orange kit?

Maybe something a little more subtle like a slightly lighter gray...?

I personally would prefer red WASD gaming keys.  Just fits my computer color scheme or Black, Grey(Silver) and Red.

Orange, lighter grey, red, ...

The cheapest solution would be the black tone intended for the modifier and function keys.

[Ekaros]

The best thing would be, you take the graphic from wikipedia and edit it according to what you think is best and then post it here.

Standard SW/SE/FI will do, including Alt Grs aka. @£${[]}\ |~

It's same as Swedish, might be able to give two options on these so one without those and one with. If there is population who realy want those like I do.

[iMav]

Love the orange as it is very geekhack-ish (unless you are a light theme user).  

[RoboKrikit]

I like the orange too.  I want to expand my Round 1 set with it.  It's impossible for me to spell ASS in orange right now, but with the orange expansion kit I could spell ASS RAGE.  Or GRASS DEW.

[7bit]

Love the orange as it is very geekhack-ish (unless you are a light theme user).  

I like the orange too.  I want to expand my Round 1 set with it.  It's impossible for me to spell ASS in orange right now, but with the orange expansion kit I could spell ASSWAD RAGE.  Or GRASS DEW.

I think, from votes and posts, orange is much more likely to happen.

Maybe I will set up a poll on that.

[chuckading]

+1 for the Orange

Taking pre-orders yet? This is looking awesome, keep it up 7bit!

I'm assuming this kit will work well (layout, size of function keys) with the new boards EliteKeyboards stocks in Jan/Feb.

Thanks again for doing this 7bit.

[db_Iodine]

+1 for the Orange

Taking pre-orders yet? This is looking awesome, keep it up 7bit!

I'm assuming this kit will work well (layout, size of function keys) with the new boards EliteKeyboards stocks in Jan/Feb.

Thanks again for doing this 7bit.

Orange is so sexy.

I think that at least the spacebar is a bit different on the Leopold keyboards compared to Filco/Ducky keyboards.

[7bit]

... (unless you are a light theme user).  

Now I get it what you meant with 'light theme user'. Actually, I have a grey background, with black text, blue links, like in 1995.



Sometimes, when I allow pages to choose their own colors, I get really shocked how ugly and unreadable some sites are.



wooha! Blue text on light gray, wtf uses that?



Ahhh...! Much better!

[chuckading]

I think that at least the spacebar is a bit different on the Leopold keyboards compared to Filco/Ducky keyboards.

Well, SH*T. I plan on buying a Leopold black kb w/ cherry browns from EK when they come out, and wanted to put these keycaps on it.  I would imagine ROUND THREE will be shipping around the same time the new keyboards come out at Elitekeyboards.  Is there a way we can confirm wether it'll fit or not, and if it doesn't, 7bit, any chance of getting that extra spacebar made?

[theferenc]

Does the POS kit no longer come with F13-F24? That was one of the primary reasons I was interested in this, as I wanted to replace my relengendable keys with those.

Besides, my F keys aren't double shot like the rest of the board.

[Hofy]

wooha! Blue text on light gray, wtf uses that?

Ahhh...! Much better!

I would buy that!  

On a side note, +1 for Leopold compatible space bar.

[Soarer]

Might be the same difference as between Filco and normal Cherry spacebars.

Filco top, Cherry bottom (with extra stem glued on to fit the Filco)...

[db_Iodine]

Well, SH*T. I plan on buying a Leopold black kb w/ cherry browns from EK when they come out, and wanted to put these keycaps on it.  I would imagine ROUND THREE will be shipping around the same time the new keyboards come out at Elitekeyboards.  Is there a way we can confirm wether it'll fit or not, and if it doesn't, 7bit, any chance of getting that extra spacebar made?

This is where I base my information about the spacebar:

Btw, while we are at this. We should also make a special spacebar/second spacebar for the new and upcoming Leopold boards since sooner or later a lot of people now ordering the set will end up with those. They are entirely different from Filco/Ducky/Cherry. I can measure out mine later if this order sets off before the public launch of those keyboards.

[7bit]

Does the POS kit no longer come with F13-F24? That was one of the primary reasons I was interested in this, as I wanted to replace my relengendable keys with those.

Besides, my F keys aren't double shot like the rest of the board.

F13-F24 are part of the Function kit.

Might be the same difference as between Filco and normal Cherry spacebars.

Filco top, Cherry bottom (with extra stem glued on to fit the Filco)...

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Sixty said, they are different. Will ask him about that, hoping SP can make that Leopold spacebar at all.

[nocturn4l3030]

any plans to use a different font some day? id be interested in a US standard layout but im not feeling the current font..too big imo

[msiegel]

"I like big fonts and I can not lie..."

[nocturn4l3030]

"I like big fonts and I can not lie..."

seems to be the common concensus -.-

[7bit]

any plans to use a different font some day? id be interested in a US standard layout but im not feeling the current font..too big imo

Help out Panda-R with Round TWO.

As of now, they (Signature Plastics) do only one style of font (though Ripster has a different opinion on that). Also, I love it that way. A clean, readable font.

[7bit]

Well, it's not so much the big as the thinness.

Round One - Fairly thin Arial

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versus

That old standby, the Selectric with blobby unknown font

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I will ask for bf-series, OK?

PS: I will also ask if they can do Helvetica, but I'm afraid they won't even know the difference ...

[db_Iodine]

I kind of like that big Arial especially on those orange keys.

[nocturn4l3030]

Help out Panda-R with Round TWO.

As of now, they (Signature Plastics) do only one style of font (though Ripster has a different opinion on that). Also, I love it that way. A clean, readable font.

(so that im not messing anything up) do i vote im interested in the 104 keys but reply and say i want a different font? cant find his post (theres 50 pages)

[Hofy]

I think the Arial font is the best ever.  Screw New Times Roman.  LOL

If we stick with this common font from SP think of the possibly endless combos with different colors for keys.   (ie your Function keys can be one color, Letters another, Numbers a third, special keys a fourth.)

[7bit]

(so that im not messing anything up) do i vote im interested in the 104 keys but reply and say i want a different font? cant find his post (theres 50 pages)

The chance it will be the same font as round 1 is 99%. The chance that it will be that Selectric typewirter helvetica is 0.999999%, now guess what chance any other font will have for round 3!

Anyway, I will enquire on that font issue at SP on Monday, that's promised.

[nocturn4l3030]

The chance it will be the same font as round 1 is 99%. The chance that it will be that Selectric typewirter helvetica is 0.999999%, now guess what chance any other font will have for round 3!

Anyway, I will enquire on that font issue at SP on Monday, that's promised.

lol ok..thought u were tryin to say panda shares the same opinion with me, guess i wont bother voting then -.-

[7bit]

lol ok..thought u were tryin to say panda shares the same opinion with me, guess i wont bother voting then -.-

No one (I'm afraid not even Panda himself) knows what direction Round 2 will take. The font question for Round 3 can only be thicker or sort of Helvetica, etc.
But size and position are fixed.

BTW: signatures current font isn't truely Arial and IBM-s Selectric-s font isn't truly Helvetica. Both were adapted to the requirements of readability and production.

In wild-live, both Helvetica and Arial, haven't got rounded edges, to start with.

[7bit]

Panda Ponders Ponderously.

Well expressed! [++]

[Findecanor]

That FI-kit is realy over-kill

Yep. The SW/FI layouts are the same, sometimes called "SF".

I have not been in on round 1 or 2, so I am not that interested in getting a kit myself, but I would like to offer a suggestion anyway:

Would it be inexpensive to add two extra keys to the SE/FI or NO layouts? If so, then perhaps  you could merge those two into one.
The difference between SF and NO layouts is only how the letters Ä/Æ and Ö/Ø are drawn. The Danish (DK) layout is almost the same as the NO, but with Ø and Æ swapped and a different shifted symbol on the key to the left of 1.

Some keyboard vendors, such as Steelseries, don't have different layouts for Sweden/Finland/Norway/Denmark - they print both letters on those keys. Others have included a few extra keys and a key cap puller with their keyboards.

[Ekaros]

Yep. The SW/FI layouts are the same, sometimes called "SF".

I have not been in on round 1 or 2, so I am not that interested in getting a kit myself, but I would like to offer a suggestion anyway:

Would it be inexpensive to add two extra keys to the SE/FI or NO layouts? If so, then perhaps  you could merge those two into one.
The difference between SF and NO layouts is only how the letters Ä/Æ and Ö/Ø are drawn. The Danish (DK) layout is almost the same as the NO, but with Ø and Æ swapped and a different shifted symbol on the key to the left of 1.

Some keyboard vendors, such as Steelseries, don't have different layouts for Sweden/Finland/Norway/Denmark - they print both letters on those keys. Others have included a few extra keys and a key cap puller with their keyboards.

Pretty much what I have meant, also German layout has lot of common between Nordic-layouts.

Might have to see if those alternate symbols are possible, one way if other printing methods are available is to make them "IBM style" meaning some other technique to side of key cap.

[7bit]

Yep. The SW/FI layouts are the same, sometimes called "SF".

I have not been in on round 1 or 2, so I am not that interested in getting a kit myself, but I would like to offer a suggestion anyway:

Would it be inexpensive to add two extra keys to the SE/FI or NO layouts? If so, then perhaps  you could merge those two into one.
The difference between SF and NO layouts is only how the letters Ä/Æ and Ö/Ø are drawn. The Danish (DK) layout is almost the same as the NO, but with Ø and Æ swapped and a different shifted symbol on the key to the left of 1.

Some keyboard vendors, such as Steelseries, don't have different layouts for Sweden/Finland/Norway/Denmark - they print both letters on those keys. Others have included a few extra keys and a key cap puller with their keyboards.

I'm already thinking of that. First thing I thought Ekaros wanted the full layout with all those diacritics and extra labels on A-Z-keys.

Would be helpful if you post diagrams with those labels you actually want, because it is a bit difficult for me to know how those keybaords are actually labeld (I can only look at these Wikipedia-layouts). I got also a response from some German GH who wanted [ { } ] somewhere on those 1-9,0 keys. I will add that to that layout as well.

Please understand that I use US-layout for most of my life and not even know the German layout, except for that weired swap of Y and Z plus ( ) being in wrong places, plus lots of keys missing which are necessary for programming.

[Ekaros]

I'm already thinking of that. First thing I thought Ekaros wanted the full layout with all those diacritics and extra labels on A-Z-keys.

Would be helpful if you post diagrams with those labels you actually want, because it is a bit difficult for me to know how those keybaords are actually labeld (I can only look at these Wikipedia-layouts). I got also a response from some German GH who wanted [ { } ] somewhere on those 1-9,0 keys. I will add that to that layout as well.

Please understand that I use US-layout for most of my life and not even know the German layout, except for that weired swap of Y and Z plus ( ) being in wrong places, plus lots of keys missing which are necessary for programming.

This is how Filco made it, which is most important cluster for me.


This is other part.

[theferenc]

OK, so it's part of the function kit. I thought you'd made noises in the other thread that you were going to make it part of the POS kit, since those are the boards that tend to have those keys.

So the function kit is a definite yes? Since it's not in the poll.

[7bit]

OK, so it's part of the function kit. I thought you'd made noises in the other thread that you were going to make it part of the POS kit, since those are the boards that tend to have those keys.

So the function kit is a definite yes? Since it's not in the poll.

If only POS-ers want F13-F24, then I will put it into the POS kit. But maybe POS-ers are interested in those other Function keys as well?

[theferenc]

I meant this particular poll. I really did think it was part of the POS kit. Sorry for the confusion.

Too many polls for me to keep track of, I guess.

Anyway, thanks for doing this!

[7bit]

I meant this particular poll. I really did think it was part of the POS kit. Sorry for the confusion.

Too many polls for me to keep track of, I guess.

Anyway, thanks for doing this!

I did not close the main thread. Currently there exist only 2 polls.

Too bad it isn't possible to have more than 10 options in a poll and too bad it is not possible to add options later...

[iMav]

We can probably do some sort of surveymonkey-ish add on.  I'll see what I can dig up.

[Ekaros]

So why none has suggested full red set? Only issue with those would be death of geekhack due to too many posts...

[iMav]

I'm sure Signature Plastics will take as much money as we throw at them.  If a red set is wanted, someone just needs to take the lead, get enough people to commit and go for it!

[kidchunks]

I'm sure Signature Plastics will take as much money as we throw at them.  If a red set is wanted, someone just needs to take the lead, get enough people to commit and go for it!

Thats the pita, I was talking to SP a few weeks back in regards to some blank sets. But I doubt I'd get enough people to make it worth while.

[7bit]

So why none has suggested full red set? Only issue with those would be death of geekhack due to too many posts...

I asked for more wishes, but nobody cared (except for that face-discussion):

preparation for additional poll

A full set (104-key US-ANSI-layout) costs $57.49 (25 sets) and $40.39 (50 sets).

I will collect these whishes for the next poll. However, the majority wants orange for the gamer keys and main-color scheme will be the same as Round 1, because 12 want it so and only one is against.

[7bit]

Thats the pita, I was talking to SP a few weeks back in regards to some blank sets. But I doubt I'd get enough people to make it worth while.

What color?

I put it into the next poll.

[kidchunks]

What color?

I put it into the next poll.

I asked for red, white and blue 87 key sets. They didn't have any in stock. Kinda sucks cause I showed em diagrams and all the stuff I wanted.

[Kairxa]

IIRC, didn't keypuller come off as free (or bonus) feature in round one?
So what does toy set do over there?

[7bit]

IIRC, didn't keypuller come off as free (or bonus) feature in round one?
So what does toy set do over there?

Not everybody wants a keypuller. It would raise the price for the standard set.

[eliOcs]

are signature plastic keys filco tall?

[7bit]

...

Nordic kit   @ $14

• covers AT/DE/FI/NO/SE

IMPORTANT:
If you want AT, DE or SE-layout, please vote for it in the main thread!
If you want FI or NO, please vote here, so I can see if one national layout sticks out and could be offered in a reduced (cheaper) version separately.


Please notce that this covers Austria, Germany, Finland, Norway and Sweden.

Please tell me if you like it.

Don't hesitate to suggest changes.

Please be as specific as possible!

Thanks!