Post by: donutcat on Thu, 19 October 2017, 22:41:14
Realized I haven't been keeping this main post updated. Here's a current mockup of the set
(https://i.imgur.com/ziiFHDg.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ziiFHDg.png)
Here's a sample I've received:
(https://i.imgur.com/KCwTLoq.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/KCwTLoq.jpg)
And here's a picture I've received of the reverse sub accents
(https://i.imgur.com/lzxo6IR.jpg?1) (https://i.imgur.com/lzxo6IR.jpg?1)
Still working out details of kit pricing before moving to date planning.
More
Update 9/13/18
Some good news, I've already heard back from Wei about the MOQ and pricing of the kits. MOQ for both Base and Intl kit will be 100 units each. Pricing I'm not going to say quite yet since it's subject to change if any modifications are made to the kit contents, but I will say that the original numbers I gave for the set here when it wasn't ePBT yet are closer than I would have expected them to be, so that's good news. I'll be looking at feedback from this and the KT thread while I'm waiting for samples and see what needs to be adjusted before moving on. I'm excited that this is finally moving off the ground now that I finally went to Wei about it, Wei for MVP.
Update 5/22/18
It's been basically forever since there's been an update to this. Everglide was supposed to be transitioning buildings in March and were supposed to be getting back to me in early April. As the lack of updates shows, that didn't happen. I do however have some good news. After seeing ePBT 9009 recently it has come to my attention that ePBT has greatly improved their available layout compatibility, enough so that I would be willing to run this set through them. So that's what I've decided to do. Nothing is absolutely in stone yet, but I've been in contact with them concerning making the set and so far it looks good. Given their history of high quality sets, I'm optimistic about the future of this set under them.
IC form is here https://goo.gl/forms/RuByoUKLt5wCNJR32
Recently came across what appears to be a decent source of custom dyesub sets, so figured the first test should be a good design. Seeing as GMK Royal Alpha has to favor the green mods, I figured the white mods would be a suitable design. Looks like I should be able to get roughly the same compatibility as the GMK mockup below
(https://i.imgur.com/yOSTi5t.png) (https://i.imgur.com/yOSTi5t.png)
There's a poll in the IC form for whether I should try to match GMK's 3K off-white or get closer to the OG's off-white color.
Information that's in the IC form but I'll include here just to grab attention:
- MOQ of 50 with price drops at 100 and 200 units
- Estimated price of $75 before shipping
- 4 weeks production time with possible extension past 50 units
Depending on interest I can have a sample on hand within the next few weeks in order to gauge quality.
Some good news, I've already heard back from Wei about the MOQ and pricing of the kits. MOQ for both Base and Intl kit will be 100 units each. Pricing I'm not going to say quite yet since it's subject to change if any modifications are made to the kit contents, but I will say that the original numbers I gave for the set here when it wasn't ePBT yet are closer than I would have expected them to be, so that's good news. I'll be looking at feedback from this and the KT thread while I'm waiting for samples and see what needs to be adjusted before moving on. I'm excited that this is finally moving off the ground now that I finally went to Wei about it, Wei for MVP.
Update 5/22/18
It's been basically forever since there's been an update to this. Everglide was supposed to be transitioning buildings in March and were supposed to be getting back to me in early April. As the lack of updates shows, that didn't happen. I do however have some good news. After seeing ePBT 9009 recently it has come to my attention that ePBT has greatly improved their available layout compatibility, enough so that I would be willing to run this set through them. So that's what I've decided to do. Nothing is absolutely in stone yet, but I've been in contact with them concerning making the set and so far it looks good. Given their history of high quality sets, I'm optimistic about the future of this set under them.
IC form is here https://goo.gl/forms/RuByoUKLt5wCNJR32
Recently came across what appears to be a decent source of custom dyesub sets, so figured the first test should be a good design. Seeing as GMK Royal Alpha has to favor the green mods, I figured the white mods would be a suitable design. Looks like I should be able to get roughly the same compatibility as the GMK mockup below
(https://i.imgur.com/yOSTi5t.png) (https://i.imgur.com/yOSTi5t.png)
There's a poll in the IC form for whether I should try to match GMK's 3K off-white or get closer to the OG's off-white color.
Information that's in the IC form but I'll include here just to grab attention:
- MOQ of 50 with price drops at 100 and 200 units
- Estimated price of $75 before shipping
- 4 weeks production time with possible extension past 50 units
Depending on interest I can have a sample on hand within the next few weeks in order to gauge quality.
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 19 October 2017, 23:02:54
When you do get your samples (in the future), would you mind taking some macro images (or under a microscope)? I would love to know if the quality of dye-sublimation compares to that of OG Cherry Dyesubs or BSP/IMSTO dyesubs.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 19 October 2017, 23:16:57
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Thu, 19 October 2017, 23:52:09
Post by: gr4v3m4n on Fri, 20 October 2017, 03:59:03
Post by: Petch on Fri, 20 October 2017, 12:43:10
Edit: Wishlist
R2: 1.5u backspace
R3: 1.75u Control, scooped f & j
R4: 1.25u Fn,
I would also change the R1 \| key to have the ¬ sub-legend to be consistent with the other R1 keys and remove the backspace icon from the R2 \| key as you'd (ideally) be offering this an an individual key for people using a HHKB-like layout
Who would be manufacturing, epbt?
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 20 October 2017, 13:26:24
presented without context
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 20 October 2017, 13:42:07
Please for the love of god run this instead of the all white set.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 20 October 2017, 15:11:55
sorry gotta ask...this set is just the mods not including alphas?
The set will be everything in the mockup in the OP.
A tiny bit more compatibility and I'd be interested
Edit: Wishlist
R2: 1.5u backspace
R3: 1.75u Control, scooped f & j
R4: 1.25u Fn,
I would also change the R1 \| key to have the ¬ sub-legend to be consistent with the other R1 keys and remove the backspace icon from the R2 \| key as you'd (ideally) be offering this an an individual key for people using a HHKB-like layout
Who would be manufacturing, epbt?
\| has the sublegend for the explicit purpose of also serving as the HHKB backspace without adding extra keys, and the capslock key has "control" sublegends for this same purpose as well. At this time I do not think that scoops are available, and I can possibly see about a 1.25u Fn if it seems like there's sufficient interest to adjust the current quote/mockup, same with the ¬ sublegend. The manu is everglide, a fairly new manu that I'm doing this through as a sort of proving run.
Filled form. I'd be interested depending on the quality of dye-sublimation and crispness for the multiple legends.
When you do get your samples (in the future), would you mind taking some macro images (or under a microscope)? I would love to know if the quality of dye-sublimation compares to that of OG Cherry Dyesubs or BSP/IMSTO dyesubs.
I don't have a microscope, but I will do the best I can with some macro lenses.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88638.msg2509309#msg2509309
presented without context
I don't know what Cherry Irish is, and I'm really not sure what it's supposed to mean in context to this.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/N19KGhk.png)
Please for the love of god run this instead of the all white set.
For the time being I will be sticking with Royal Alpha since I feel like that will have more of a pull due to the rarity of the set.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Fri, 20 October 2017, 21:01:46
A tiny bit more compatibility and I'd be interested
Edit: Wishlist
R2: 1.5u backspace
R3: 1.75u Control, scooped f & j
R4: 1.25u Fn,
I would also change the R1 \| key to have the ¬ sub-legend to be consistent with the other R1 keys and remove the backspace icon from the R2 \| key as you'd (ideally) be offering this an an individual key for people using a HHKB-like layout
Who would be manufacturing, epbt?
I actually want 1.5u Backspace and 1.75u Control as main legend ---HHKB layout user speaking--- but for the sake of keeping the cost low, sub-legend is fine.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/N19KGhk.png)
Please for the love of god run this instead of the all white set.
for unknown reason, I myself don't enjoy the color of those modifiers :( , I want a full white set.
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looking forwards to the sample :thumb:
Post by: jnav on Fri, 20 October 2017, 22:53:17
Post by: Petch on Sat, 21 October 2017, 08:21:36
sorry gotta ask...this set is just the mods not including alphas?
The set will be everything in the mockup in the OP.A tiny bit more compatibility and I'd be interested
Edit: Wishlist
R2: 1.5u backspace
R3: 1.75u Control, scooped f & j
R4: 1.25u Fn,
I would also change the R1 \| key to have the ¬ sub-legend to be consistent with the other R1 keys and remove the backspace icon from the R2 \| key as you'd (ideally) be offering this an an individual key for people using a HHKB-like layout
Who would be manufacturing, epbt?
\| has the sublegend for the explicit purpose of also serving as the HHKB backspace without adding extra keys, and the capslock key has "control" sublegends for this same purpose as well. At this time I do not think that scoops are available, and I can possibly see about a 1.25u Fn if it seems like there's sufficient interest to adjust the current quote/mockup, same with the ¬ sublegend. The manu is everglide, a fairly new manu that I'm doing this through as a sort of proving run.\
You know if you put this on a HHKB (or similar keyboard) then there's going to be 2 \| keys right next to each other then? I don't think added a couple of extra keys to tidy the whole kit up would add too much cost
Post by: energyd on Sat, 21 October 2017, 10:53:58
Post by: kimbles on Sat, 21 October 2017, 11:13:21
Why not green mod?
Because GMK will be running with the green mods.
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 21 October 2017, 14:13:12
You know if you put this on a HHKB (or similar keyboard) then there's going to be 2 \| keys right next to each other then? I don't think added a couple of extra keys to tidy the whole kit up would add too much cost
One of the big things in kit design is knowing where to stop. It's a really simple thing to justify adding "just a couple keys" cause it won't add that much cost, but then you reach the point of "well, I added those keys, no reason not to add these" which can snowball out of control before you know it. The fact that so many different layouts exist makes so much work for kit designers and when it gets down to it you have to be able to know how to juggle compatibility and cost efficiency. Of course DSA and SA get to kinda skirt this by just having tons of kits, but like we saw with me trying to juggle GMK RA kits, multiple kits will always cost more than a single kit with the same keys.
Post by: MeloDet on Sun, 22 October 2017, 14:49:25
Post by: Petch on Sun, 22 October 2017, 15:26:50
You know if you put this on a HHKB (or similar keyboard) then there's going to be 2 \| keys right next to each other then? I don't think added a couple of extra keys to tidy the whole kit up would add too much cost
One of the big things in kit design is knowing where to stop. It's a really simple thing to justify adding "just a couple keys" cause it won't add that much cost, but then you reach the point of "well, I added those keys, no reason not to add these" which can snowball out of control before you know it. The fact that so many different layouts exist makes so much work for kit designers and when it gets down to it you have to be able to know how to juggle compatibility and cost efficiency. Of course DSA and SA get to kinda skirt this by just having tons of kits, but like we saw with me trying to juggle GMK RA kits, multiple kits will always cost more than a single kit with the same keys.
It's not like these are obscure keys. Even Maxkey sets include them now
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 23 October 2017, 12:37:35
You know if you put this on a HHKB (or similar keyboard) then there's going to be 2 \| keys right next to each other then? I don't think added a couple of extra keys to tidy the whole kit up would add too much cost
One of the big things in kit design is knowing where to stop. It's a really simple thing to justify adding "just a couple keys" cause it won't add that much cost, but then you reach the point of "well, I added those keys, no reason not to add these" which can snowball out of control before you know it. The fact that so many different layouts exist makes so much work for kit designers and when it gets down to it you have to be able to know how to juggle compatibility and cost efficiency. Of course DSA and SA get to kinda skirt this by just having tons of kits, but like we saw with me trying to juggle GMK RA kits, multiple kits will always cost more than a single kit with the same keys.
It's not like these are obscure keys. Even Maxkey sets include them now
I agree. You have to draw the line somewhere, but HHKB doesn't feel like crossing the line.
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 23 October 2017, 14:26:55
It's not like these are obscure keys. Even Maxkey sets include them now
I agree. You have to draw the line somewhere, but HHKB doesn't feel like crossing the line.
But with those keys already integrated as part of the design of the set it's then redundant to add more of them, just like it would be adding R3 control/R4 lock keys when they're already integrated into the design.
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 23 October 2017, 14:36:12
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 23 October 2017, 17:25:24
Any chance for scooped homing keys without bars?
Afaik this manu doesn't have scooped home keys, but there could be a chance to get them with enough demand since they're already working on a 7u spacebar for me.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Mon, 23 October 2017, 22:18:51
can 3u Spacebar be added? (my next board will have a 3u Spacebar)
EDIT: I do have a 3u Spacebar (from an epbt set) but key from the same set would be better ;D
Post by: mastercheif116 on Sun, 29 October 2017, 11:17:39
I would like to throw in my vote for a 1.5u with backspace as the main legend, simply because I think that having to \| keys on an HHKB layout will look weird.
Also what are the chances we could get a green accent key or two? Maybe just enter and esc?
All that being said, if the quality is on par with modern beige/epbt, I'm in for the set shown, and the above are just suggestions
Post by: MeloDet on Sun, 29 October 2017, 11:33:35
Post by: Ramiel on Sun, 29 October 2017, 11:47:11
As I know everglide doesn't have the ability to manufacture dye sub keycaps. They always accept orders and ask other manus to make at last. I don't think they're trustworthy at all.
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 29 October 2017, 12:53:11
Why didn't you reach out to other well known dye sub factories in China (e.g. enjoypbt, Keyreative, NPKC)?
As I know everglide doesn't have the ability to manufacture dye sub keycaps. They always accept orders and ask other manus to make at last. I don't think they're trustworthy at all.
EPBT were actually my first choice for the set due to their reputation, but an easy contact with everglide popped up and made themselves very easy to communicate back and forth with. Additionally, they seem quite eager to work with me and had samples ready to ship to me within 3 days of communication. Their compatibility seems good, their pricing is low, and their MOQs are even lower, so I'm willing to give them a chance to prove themselves to me if the quality looks good. I don't know much about their history but having not heard anything negative about them yet I see no reason not to give them a shot.
Post by: Ramiel on Sun, 29 October 2017, 13:20:54
Why didn't you reach out to other well known dye sub factories in China (e.g. enjoypbt, Keyreative, NPKC)?
As I know everglide doesn't have the ability to manufacture dye sub keycaps. They always accept orders and ask other manus to make at last. I don't think they're trustworthy at all.
EPBT were actually my first choice for the set due to their reputation, but an easy contact with everglide popped up and made themselves very easy to communicate back and forth with. Additionally, they seem quite eager to work with me and had samples ready to ship to me within 3 days of communication. Their compatibility seems good, their pricing is low, and their MOQs are even lower, so I'm willing to give them a chance to prove themselves to me if the quality looks good. I don't know much about their history but having not heard anything negative about them yet I see no reason not to give them a shot.
They are good at boasting. That's how they get orders.
I'd suggest you to sign a contract with them about the quality and lead time. I wish all the best for this GB, but don't trust any words from these businessmen.
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 13 November 2017, 19:44:31
(https://i.imgur.com/D6oL4db.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/D6oL4db.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bgwKFT8.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/bgwKFT8.jpg)
Initial quality is pretty good Imo considering all I gave them to work with was a KLE. Coloring on the odd out cap is basically a perfect match to the GMK color.
From what I see I need the main legends upscaled and thickened, sublegends thickened, spacing between "Pg" and "dn" decreased, and slight legend color adjustment.
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 13 November 2017, 23:24:36
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Edit: what's the difference between OG and GMK off-white? I prefer the whicever more neutral white.
Post by: koduh on Tue, 14 November 2017, 10:40:05
Quote
From what I see I need the main legends upscaled and thickened, sublegends thickened, spacing between "Pg" and "dn" decreased, and slight legend color adjustment.
Yeah definitely need to thicken those legends up a bit! Thanks for working on this Donut.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 17 November 2017, 21:49:27
The near-GMK thickness of the PBT is nice and leads to the caps sounding just about the same as GMK when typing on them.
The legends, while not yet where they need to be design-wise, are clean and have minimal bleeding to the naked as far as I can tell. My macro setup is still packed away somewhere with half of my life so I can't break it out now for a nice closeup, but I may search for the stuff next week.
My method for testing dye penetration was to simply scratch one of the caps with my pocket knife until I got through the legends and it took a pretty noticeable gouge to get through, far more than I think you'd be able to wear through without intentionally scratching it.
Overall I'm pleased with the show of ability so far and and definitely happy to proceed to getting the legends nailed down for the next sample.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 17 November 2017, 23:03:16
So it seems like there may have been a little confusion both here an on reddit about the samples I received. While they don't yet look like a finished product, I am very pleased with them as more of a proof of concept than anything else.
The near-GMK thickness of the PBT is nice and leads to the caps sounding just about the same as GMK when typing on them.
The legends, while not yet where they need to be design-wise, are clean and have minimal bleeding to the naked as far as I can tell. My macro setup is still packed away somewhere with half of my life so I can't break it out now for a nice closeup, but I may search for the stuff next week.
My method for testing dye penetration was to simply scratch one of the caps with my pocket knife until I got through the legends and it took a pretty noticeable gouge to get through, far more than I think you'd be able to wear through without intentionally scratching it.
Overall I'm pleased with the show of ability so far and and definitely happy to proceed to getting the legends nailed down for the next sample.
I think they look great. No surprise about thickness. My enjoyPBT caps are all thicker than GMK. Also, I've never been able to tell a difference between those ePBT sets and my doubleshots, as far as sharpness goes. The dyesub process is pretty good now, and it appears your company does a good job. The devil will be in the details. Looking forward to updates.
Post by: TalkingTree on Sat, 18 November 2017, 03:19:24
On a more off topic question: where did you get that PCB mil ruler?
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 18 November 2017, 11:31:28
Is it intended to be a somewhat GMK replica? I'd like to mix these caps with others that I already own.
On a more off topic question: where did you get that PCB mil ruler?
Not so much meant to replicate GMK as it is I want to emulate what people like and think looks good, and GMK happens to do that.
The PCB ruler and a couple of its friends are from a recent GB by That-Canadian and Mr. Bishop
(https://i.imgur.com/ntzizNx.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ntzizNx.jpg)
Post by: TalkingTree on Sat, 18 November 2017, 12:24:08
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 21 November 2017, 15:34:25
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 22 November 2017, 10:29:20
Small update, after finding that Helvetica Rounded is the closest thing available to Cherry's own custom font, I've got Everglide setting up a new template for the set using that font with the adjusted size and arrangement, as well as adjustments to other parts of the design based on GMK's designs. I'm looking to have pictures of new samples from them within the next week or so and maybe samples on-hand within a couple weeks. They are very much willing to work with me to get the set the way I think it needs to look, which is a very good thing since I want the set to be good enough that I'll be happy owning a few of them.
This is exciting! Not just for this project but what you could do down the road to make awesome new PBT sets.
One thing that I think you should check though. PBT shrinkage.
About three years ago I got my first set of keycaps in a group buy here on GH and picked up the red on beige ePBT set. I’ve always liked it a lot. Crisp legends, thick caps, smooth texture.
I just recently finished building my e8-v1 (purple and gray), and had been eyeing the ePBT set with purple legends. The last thing I need is another set of keycaps, but of course I bought them.
Long story semi-short, this new set causes issues with cherry stabilizers. Slightly shrunken caps is my best guess. The longer modifier stems are slightly inward from the process and pull cherry stabilizers inward causing them to rub. So for now this set will have to be for costar boards only.
So, just a word of caution to watch out for how these fit due to PBT shrinking.
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 22 November 2017, 10:50:35
(https://i.imgur.com/dAhom5Y.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/dAhom5Y.jpg)
I know there's a good deal going on here as far as issues, but this is a good first step, imo, towards using the GMK-style legends vs the bad skinny legends from before. I've pointed out the issues to them and they are currently working on solving those before moving on to working on legend colors.
"...pbt shrinkage..."
Hmm, that isn't something I'd thought about before and may be difficult to account for. I'll have to look into how to deal it if it's going to be an issue.
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 22 November 2017, 22:39:40
The L on their sample should be cap btw :)
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 23 November 2017, 11:24:12
IMO they shouldn't really "copying" GMK font, simply rotating the # and oversizing the ^ and * isn't how to solve the problem. And maybe this is the time to "correct" whatever GMK legend flaws because dyesub is easier to do.
The L on their sample should be cap btw :)
The point of mimicking the GMK style font is to have something better than the quite awful font that they started with, and the GMK font is attractive to many people so it's a good place to start. Also, it's know that the ^ and * are problem points and are being corrected currently. And the capslock doesn't matter since that's just a placeholder for the custom "Lock" legend that will go there later.
Post by: Buggot on Fri, 24 November 2017, 10:40:25
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 15 January 2018, 16:02:10
Post by: jnav on Mon, 15 January 2018, 19:11:37
Been awhile since any updates. We've worked out most of the issues with the main legends and are currently working out the issues with the sublegends, including finding all the proper characters for them. I'm looking to have a full sample set on hand within the next few weeks.
Great news. Thanks for the update!
Post by: txclack on Tue, 16 January 2018, 02:54:53
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 16 January 2018, 14:06:22
Will these be on your site Donutcat?
They will be on my site, but it'll be a GB still.
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 17 January 2018, 00:06:25
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 24 February 2018, 00:17:53
(https://i.imgur.com/EbkeFJT.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/EbkeFJT.jpg)
Still a bit more adjustment, but it's a gradual process towards quality.
Post by: midnight2903 on Sat, 24 February 2018, 03:08:27
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 24 February 2018, 09:56:44
I don’t know if you were looking for feedback, but those are my suggestions. Overall, they look really good
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 24 February 2018, 11:34:24
Been quite a bit since the last update. Current status is that CNY has put a bit of a delay on samples, but sublegends have been worked on and I am currently scheduled to receive most of a full set soon. I do have another picture to show the progress that's been made on the legends tho
(https://i.imgur.com/EbkeFJT.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/EbkeFJT.jpg)
Still a bit more adjustment, but it's a gradual process towards quality.
the legends seem a bit fuzzy
can you take macro shots of the legends when they come in?
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 24 February 2018, 14:52:02
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 27 March 2018, 19:48:28
Post by: midnight2903 on Tue, 27 March 2018, 21:11:20
Just a small update since it's been awhile. There's been a delay on Everglide's end due to moving buildings, so it'll probably be partway through April before anything else is heard from them.
Thanks for the update. Still quite interested in these.
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 22 May 2018, 15:04:24
It's been basically forever since there's been an update to this. Everglide was supposed to be transitioning buildings in March and were supposed to be getting back to me in early April. As the lack of updates shows, that didn't happen. I do however have some good news. After seeing ePBT 9009 recently it has come to my attention that ePBT has greatly improved their available layout compatibility, enough so that I would be willing to run this set through them. So that's what I've decided to do. Nothing is absolutely in stone yet, but I've been in contact with them concerning making the set and so far it looks good. Given their history of high quality sets, I'm optimistic about the future of this set under them.
Post by: Remsky on Tue, 22 May 2018, 15:31:18
Post by: mkarlsson on Tue, 22 May 2018, 16:16:35
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Tue, 22 May 2018, 16:17:44
Edit: but for real, I will jump on an epbt set no problem. Just need to choose between coniferous and malachite now....
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 22 May 2018, 16:32:50
Epbt Royal alpha too? Bring on all the greeeeeeen donut!
Edit: but for real, I will jump on an epbt set no problem. Just need to choose between coniferous and malachite now....
Malachite's *extremely* early-on, so they shouldn't be competing at all. I dare to say Coni R2 would ship before Malachite hit GB.
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Tue, 22 May 2018, 17:02:39
I feel like an 8 year old in a candy store with nothing but student debt, but I'll be damned if I don't get all 3 green sets! Good thing there isn't an all green gmk NGE option... I'd actually (but not really) be living on the street at that point haha.Epbt Royal alpha too? Bring on all the greeeeeeen donut!
Edit: but for real, I will jump on an epbt set no problem. Just need to choose between coniferous and malachite now....
Malachite's *extremely* early-on, so they shouldn't be competing at all. I dare to say Coni R2 would ship before Malachite hit GB.
Post by: midnight2903 on Wed, 23 May 2018, 11:41:27
Post by: Createboardhk on Wed, 23 May 2018, 13:06:54
Post by: azulyf on Wed, 23 May 2018, 13:10:51
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 23 May 2018, 13:27:23
Only hope we can get 2.25-2.75 space bars, which is never included in any ePBT sets.
That may be because they don't have those sizes available. I'll be checking through all of their compatibility in order to fit as much into this set as I reasonably can.
Post by: Remsky on Wed, 23 May 2018, 14:04:12
Only hope we can get 2.25-2.75 space bars, which is never included in any ePBT sets.If they have to make new molds, I highly doubt they would be included then as part of the base.
Post by: azulyf on Wed, 23 May 2018, 15:54:43
Only hope we can get 2.25-2.75 space bars, which is never included in any ePBT sets.
That may be because they don't have those sizes available. I'll be checking through all of their compatibility in order to fit as much into this set as I reasonably can.
I don't think blank R4 2.25 and 2.75 keys need any new mold. BTW Everglide has convex mini spacebars available, but I prefer ePBT's font and thickness.
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 23 May 2018, 16:11:34
I do need to adjust the compatibility of the kit some since I've picked up a bit more of a feel for kits since I did that kit mockup. Specifically I'm looking for:
- 1.5u Code keys
- R3 1.25u/1.5u Fn keys - physical support for several layouts
- R4 1.25u/1.5u Fn keys
- Change menu icon to "Menu" - might be a point of argument, I prefer the text better
- Split space support, including 3u
Lemme know your thoughts on these changes. Looking at ePBT's recent BoW set on KBDFans, pricing still seems really good for the compatibility they're offering.
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Wed, 23 May 2018, 16:19:41
Ok, normal R4 2.25 and 2.75 keys would be doable, I was thinking convex.
I do need to adjust the compatibility of the kit some since I've picked up a bit more of a feel for kits since I did that kit mockup. Specifically I'm looking for:
- 1.5u Code keys
- R3 1.25u/1.5u Fn keys - physical support for several layouts
- R4 1.25u/1.5u Fn keys
- Change menu icon to "Menu" - might be a point of argument, I prefer the text better
- Split space support, including 3u
Lemme know your thoughts on these changes. Looking at ePBT's recent BoW set on KBDFans, pricing still seems really good for the compatibility they're offering.
Changes to R3 and R4 Fn keys are for 40% peeps right? Not that it really matters to me, just curious about different layouts.
I support changing menu icon to text. Also indifferent about split space.
Based on the kbdfans 9009 GB, we know that epbt provides great value for the number of keys you get. So I'm not really miffed about getting extra keys I necessarily won't used. Now if this was SP SA, then that would be a different story.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Wed, 23 May 2018, 16:24:12
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 23 May 2018, 16:42:23
Changes to R3 and R4 Fn keys are for 40% peeps right? Not that it really matters to me, just curious about different layouts.
I support changing menu icon to text. Also indifferent about split space.
Based on the kbdfans 9009 GB, we know that epbt provides great value for the number of keys you get. So I'm not really miffed about getting extra keys I necessarily won't used. Now if this was SP SA, then that would be a different story.
Even better news is that set was even cheaper going through Taobao instead of KBDFans, so that should make it even cheaper.
will an International Kit be possible like in the epbt 9009 GB ?
Hold up, I just remembered that I actually drafted up an Intl kit for GMK RA
(https://i.imgur.com/ychRq7z.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ychRq7z.png)
Anyone that uses Intl layouts please chime in and let me know if any of this is incorrect or needs to be adjusted, I have no idea what layouts need what so I'm really not the best to try and piece this together. If ePBT is willing to do the kits I'd totes be up for offering it.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Wed, 23 May 2018, 16:44:32
thanks for looking into it :thumb:
Changes to R3 and R4 Fn keys are for 40% peeps right? Not that it really matters to me, just curious about different layouts.
I support changing menu icon to text. Also indifferent about split space.
Based on the kbdfans 9009 GB, we know that epbt provides great value for the number of keys you get. So I'm not really miffed about getting extra keys I necessarily won't used. Now if this was SP SA, then that would be a different story.
Even better news is that set was even cheaper going through Taobao instead of KBDFans, so that should make it even cheaper.will an International Kit be possible like in the epbt 9009 GB ?
I can try to look into that, but due to the nature of the sublegends on this set I believe that an Intl kit would need quite a few more keys than normal in order to cover layouts correctly.
Post by: mkarlsson on Wed, 23 May 2018, 19:17:56
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 24 May 2018, 00:41:52
Looking good so far. :thumb:
Changes to R3 and R4 Fn keys are for 40% peeps right? Not that it really matters to me, just curious about different layouts.
I support changing menu icon to text. Also indifferent about split space.
Based on the kbdfans 9009 GB, we know that epbt provides great value for the number of keys you get. So I'm not really miffed about getting extra keys I necessarily won't used. Now if this was SP SA, then that would be a different story.
Even better news is that set was even cheaper going through Taobao instead of KBDFans, so that should make it even cheaper.will an International Kit be possible like in the epbt 9009 GB ?I can try to look into that, but due to the nature of the sublegends on this set I believe that an Intl kit would need quite a few more keys than normal in order to cover layouts correctly.
Hold up, I just remembered that I actually drafted up an Intl kit for GMK RA
(https://i.imgur.com/ychRq7z.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ychRq7z.png)
Anyone that uses Intl layouts please chime in and let me know if any of this is incorrect or needs to be adjusted, I have no idea what layouts need what so I'm really not the best to try and piece this together. If ePBT is willing to do the kits I'd totes be up for offering it.
As far as norde goes there are a few keys missing. Here is an image from the pulse sa drop which shows perfect norde support
https://imgur.com/Po4l3RW
In terms of matching the theme of the keyset you could swap some of the legends already present with those in the international kit
Like so (just switch the Q with the Ä , for example):
https://imgur.com/TF9ZrWX
Post by: idlemao on Thu, 24 May 2018, 11:10:23
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 27 May 2018, 23:40:33
(https://i.imgur.com/P4dU7lU.png) (https://i.imgur.com/P4dU7lU.png)
List of changes:
- / to ÷
- * to ×
- LOCK legends to Lock
- | on ISO keys changed to ¦
- Backspace icon on \| key changed to bottom ¬, upper ¬ changed to ¦, following proper US-Intl layout
- ISO-UK sublegends ¬, ", and £ added to `~, 2, and 3 keys respectively in an attempt to consolidate legends and
- R1 1u and R2 1.5u Backspace added
- R3 and R4 1.25u and 1.5u Fn keys added for variety of layout support
- 1.5u Code keys added
Hopefully the sublegend adjustments aren't taken too badly since I feel they do add to the value of the set design and its usage of the US-Intl legends. Next I'll be looking to work on an Intl kit for those interested. I've found a few resources on what's needed for the layouts and I'll be trying to make a reasonable kit out of it. Lemme know what you think of the progress so far.
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Sun, 27 May 2018, 23:59:19
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 28 May 2018, 00:06:34
So here's where I'm at currently. In talk with the ePBT manager according to the email, waiting to hear back about doing the dual legends currently. While waiting, I've had some time to touch up some compatibility on the set as well as a couple legends adjustments that I felt needed doingNICE. COUNT ME IN WITH AN INT KIT :thumb:
(https://i.imgur.com/P4dU7lU.png) (https://i.imgur.com/P4dU7lU.png)
List of changes:
- / to ÷
- * to ×
- LOCK legends to Lock
- | on ISO keys changed to ¦
- Backspace icon on \| key changed to bottom ¬, upper ¬ changed to ¦, following proper US-Intl layout
- ISO-UK sublegends ¬, ", and £ added to `~, 2, and 3 keys respectively in an attempt to consolidate legends andreduce ISO whiningexpand compatibility
- R1 1u and R2 1.5u Backspace added
- R3 and R4 1.25u and 1.5u Fn keys added for variety of layout support
- 1.5u Code keys added
Hopefully the sublegend adjustments aren't taken too badly since I feel they do add to the value of the set design and its usage of the US-Intl legends. Next I'll be looking to work on an Intl kit for those interested. I've found a few resources on what's needed for the layouts and I'll be trying to make a reasonable kit out of it. Lemme know what you think of the progress so far.
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 28 May 2018, 00:34:13
Hey donut, are you using the standard epbt base colour or are you considering using the white base alpha colour that is currently being used for the BoW epbt GB?
Undecided on color currently, will look into that as I get further into the process.
Post by: oumakavoula on Mon, 28 May 2018, 01:15:57
Post by: goodman247 on Mon, 28 May 2018, 01:21:55
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 28 May 2018, 02:17:14
(https://i.imgur.com/li2wXw0.png) (https://i.imgur.com/li2wXw0.png)
Taking advantage of the sublegends I was able to cover a good deal of compatibility according to what I've seen of comparing the layouts. Additionally, some of the base kit sublegends already take care of some of the keys needed. This should provide row-correct legends for ISO UK, DE, SE, NO, DK, and a smidge of support for IT, ES, PT as they tended to differ largely from the others. Crazy how many ISO sub-layouts there are.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 28 May 2018, 02:34:09
This is what I've come up with for an Intl kitPerfect. Just a 1.25u shift is missing :)
(https://i.imgur.com/li2wXw0.png) (https://i.imgur.com/li2wXw0.png)
Taking advantage of the sublegends I was able to cover a good deal of compatibility according to what I've seen of comparing the layouts. Additionally, some of the base kit sublegends already take care of some of the keys needed. This should provide row-correct legends for ISO UK, DE, SE, NO, DK, and a smidge of support for IT, ES, PT as they tended to differ largely from the others. Crazy how many ISO sub-layouts there are.
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 28 May 2018, 02:41:53
Perfect. Just a 1.25u shift is missing :)
In base kit under the ISO Enter.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 28 May 2018, 02:50:54
Ohh. Missed that sorry
Perfect. Just a 1.25u shift is missing :)
In base kit under the ISO Enter.
Post by: dwarf.factory on Thu, 31 May 2018, 05:06:27
Post by: Petch on Thu, 31 May 2018, 06:34:18
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 31 May 2018, 08:47:47
Shouldn't R1 \| key also have the sublegends?
It does in my current revision, I just didn't get a pic up yet.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 01 June 2018, 16:54:19
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/EkRCBic.png) (https://i.imgur.com/EkRCBic.png)
Intl Kit
Little bit more fidgeting with the base kit to get it where I think it should be. Most sublegends should be the correct ANSI-Intl legends along with a few extras from the OG design kept. I wanted to get a little crazy with modifying some of the sublegends, but I figured it'd be better to try keeping closer to the OG for this set and not risking wandering too far off from what the set identity should be.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 01 June 2018, 16:55:44
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/C1k6ths.png) (https://i.imgur.com/C1k6ths.png)
Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/EkRCBic.png) (https://i.imgur.com/EkRCBic.png)
Intl Kit
Little bit more fidgeting with the base kit to get it where I think it should be. Most sublegends should be the correct ANSI-Intl legends along with a few extras from the OG design kept. I wanted to get a little crazy with modifying some of the sublegends, but I figured it'd be better to try keeping closer to the OG for this set and not risking wandering too far off from what the set identity should be.
looking sweet :thumb: :p
Post by: soilheart on Sat, 02 June 2018, 04:15:10
Little bit more fidgeting with the base kit to get it where I think it should be. Most sublegends should be the correct ANSI-Intl legends along with a few extras from the OG design kept. I wanted to get a little crazy with modifying some of the sublegends, but I figured it'd be better to try keeping closer to the OG for this set and not risking wandering too far off from what the set identity should be.
:thumb:
Just a little curious, what's the differences/additions to US Intl.?
I actually use US Intl. most of the time, to be able to both efficiently code and communicate in Swedish without changing layouts, so having actual US Intl. keycaps would be really awesome (not that I'm against additions/minor updates, just wanted to clarify that there are some of us who actually use US Intl. and don't just want a kit because how good it looks and appreciate your efforts).
EDIT: Ok I looked at the base kit and I have one comment and one request(/wish).
Firstly, 2, 3, 4, [, ], and -_ have incorrect sublegend placement, is that intentional or not? 2 doesn't have " on US Intl and the ² should be printed there instead (lower sublegend), switching the sublegends is also an alternative as the upper sublegend is "free" on most US Intl. variants (and some actually have a double accent there, which kinda looks like double quotes). The ³ on 3, € on 4, « on [, » on ] and ¥ on -_ (number row) should also be the lower sublegend. (The ¹ being the upper sublegend on 1 is correct though). I will say that the upper single sublegend errors I can live with, but the error/switch on the 2 will probably confuse me (and anyone else actually expecting the be able to use the kit with US Intl. layout).
Secondly: I would really appreciate if you would add a 1u R3 |\¦¬ key to "complete" the set, because as it is both R3 ISO keys are based on the UK ISO keys. Hopefully adding a 1u key isn't that expensive or bothersome. And just to make it clear, on most OS:es the R3 and R4 ISO key does give different results when using Alt Gr. on US based layouts so that's not a typo ;) The R3 key should be |\¦¬ (as mentioned above) and the R4 key should be |\<> (Windows don't support the <> part, but Linux kinda does).
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 02 June 2018, 10:38:23
Little bit more fidgeting with the base kit to get it where I think it should be. Most sublegends should be the correct ANSI-Intl legends along with a few extras from the OG design kept. I wanted to get a little crazy with modifying some of the sublegends, but I figured it'd be better to try keeping closer to the OG for this set and not risking wandering too far off from what the set identity should be.
:thumb:
Just a little curious, what's the differences/additions to US Intl.?
I actually use US Intl. most of the time, to be able to both efficiently code and communicate in Swedish without changing layouts, so having actual US Intl. keycaps would be really awesome (not that I'm against additions/minor updates, just wanted to clarify that there are some of us who actually use US Intl. and don't just want a kit because how good it looks and appreciate your efforts).
EDIT: Ok I looked at the base kit and I have one comment and one request(/wish).
Firstly, 2, 3, 4, [, ], and -_ have incorrect sublegend placement, is that intentional or not? 2 doesn't have " on US Intl and the ² should be printed there instead (lower sublegend), switching the sublegends is also an alternative as the upper sublegend is "free" on most US Intl. variants (and some actually have a double accent there, which kinda looks like double quotes). The ³ on 3, € on 4, « on [, » on ] and ¥ on -_ (number row) should also be the lower sublegend. (The ¹ being the upper sublegend on 1 is correct though). I will say that the upper single sublegend errors I can live with, but the error/switch on the 2 will probably confuse me (and anyone else actually expecting the be able to use the kit with US Intl. layout).
Secondly: I would really appreciate if you would add a 1u R3 |\¦¬ key to "complete" the set, because as it is both R3 ISO keys are based on the UK ISO keys. Hopefully adding a 1u key isn't that expensive or bothersome. And just to make it clear, on most OS:es the R3 and R4 ISO key does give different results when using Alt Gr. on US based layouts so that's not a typo ;) The R3 key should be |\¦¬ (as mentioned above) and the R4 key should be |\<> (Windows don't support the <> part, but Linux kinda does).
The reason for those sublegends being where they are on the keys is because that's how the original set has them placed. I'm not sure why, but for some reason MOZ decided to put them like that for the set design instead of their "proper" locations. Additionally the " are on 2 because I was looking to add as much ISO-UK support to the base kit as I could without needing extra keys. Also, I can def put in the R3 key, 1 key isn't a whole lot of effort to make ISO peeps happy.
I could look at making the set more accurate for US-Intl, but I'm not sure if people would want that over it being more accurate to the OG set design. Maybe I'm overthinking it and the green on green on white is enough for people to associate the set. This'll be easier with my next PBT sublegend set when I don't have to worry about matching previous set design.
Post by: soilheart on Sat, 02 June 2018, 11:09:15
The reason for those sublegends being where they are on the keys is because that's how the original set has them placed. I'm not sure why, but for some reason MOZ decided to put them like that for the set design instead of their "proper" locations. Additionally the " are on 2 because I was looking to add as much ISO-UK support to the base kit as I could without needing extra keys. Also, I can def put in the R3 key, 1 key isn't a whole lot of effort to make ISO peeps happy.
I could look at making the set more accurate for US-Intl, but I'm not sure if people would want that over it being more accurate to the OG set design. Maybe I'm overthinking it and the green on green on white is enough for people to associate the set. This'll be easier with my next PBT sublegend set when I don't have to worry about matching previous set design.
Yeah, I realized that may be the case. With that said I feel like Moz design is a little inconsistent... for example the ?/ key has it's single sublegend (¿) on the bottom, while most other single legend keys have it on the top. So I'd ask you to at least consider making your set more consistent with sublegend placement, even though it may cause some deviations from the previous design (for example an alternative that could result in fewer changes, is moving the ¿, and possibly the ¼, ½ and ¾, to the top to match other keys). I totally understand if you don't want to make any "major" changes now though, just thought I'd point out the errors/inconsistencies ;)
And as I said, the most important change would be the numrow 2, as the addition of the " makes the key confusing and actually wrong. So I would recommend you to either go with the Moz design on that one, or swap the sublegends if you decide to keep both. Also thanks for listening about the R3 key (and just to avoid mistakes, the R3 key should have the same legends as the R2 1.5U key above the ANSI Enter).
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 02 June 2018, 14:05:36
This is what I've got right now the for base with adjusted US-Intl sublegends. I prefer knowing they're where they should be functionally, but I could understand if people would want me to use the OG design, considering there are several elements here that are design choices and not part of US-Intl.
https://www.strawpoll.me/15818877
Here's a poll so you guys can vote. Also, I added split spacebar support cause I remembered ePBT has that stuff.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Wed, 04 July 2018, 17:14:38
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 04 July 2018, 21:35:36
Updates
I've been poking at ePBT about it with no responses. I've not heard back from them after May 22 after talking to someone claiming to be "the manager of enjoypbt". I had a back and forth conversation going with them within the 24hrs I first contacted them and then radio silence still after sending 4 new messages with mockups and asking for updates. I'll try again a bit to get ahold of them before calling it a lost effort
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 05 July 2018, 01:49:32
you could maybe try to text wan from kbdfansUpdates
I've been poking at ePBT about it with no responses. I've not heard back from them after May 22 after talking to someone claiming to be "the manager of enjoypbt". I had a back and forth conversation going with them within the 24hrs I first contacted them and then radio silence still after sending 4 new messages with mockups and asking for updates. I'll try again a bit to get ahold of them before calling it a lost effort
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 05 July 2018, 02:25:25
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Post by: donutcat on Thu, 05 July 2018, 12:15:52
you could maybe try to text wan from kbdfansUpdates
I've been poking at ePBT about it with no responses. I've not heard back from them after May 22 after talking to someone claiming to be "the manager of enjoypbt". I had a back and forth conversation going with them within the 24hrs I first contacted them and then radio silence still after sending 4 new messages with mockups and asking for updates. I'll try again a bit to get ahold of them before calling it a lost effort
I'm wanting to avoid going through kbdfans so that A) I'm communicating directly instead of going through a middleman, and B) because I want to keep the price potentially lower than if I went through kbdfans for the set.
Post by: t8c on Thu, 05 July 2018, 12:20:06
Post by: dimo on Thu, 05 July 2018, 12:21:42
Also have you seen this - > https://www.aliexpress.com/item/cherry-profile-Dye-Sub-Keycap-Set-PBT-plastic-Irish-layout-for-cherry-mx-mechanical-keyboar/32890575011.html ?
And? The quality of those in the close up looks horrid. EnjoyPBT/ GMK doesn't even compare
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:13:16
Also have you seen this - > https://www.aliexpress.com/item/cherry-profile-Dye-Sub-Keycap-Set-PBT-plastic-Irish-layout-for-cherry-mx-mechanical-keyboar/32890575011.html ?
Well sure, but that's not the same set at all. For one it's a quite different base color scheme, and then the sublegends are just ANSI-Intl without some of the elements that MOZ added to Royal Alpha. Not even speaking about the quality differences that are sure to exist, that's a completely different set that I'm certain people looking for Royal Alpha would not be satisfied by.
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 17 July 2018, 00:49:11
Post by: azulyf on Thu, 30 August 2018, 22:39:30
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 12 September 2018, 07:11:22
(https://i.imgur.com/FnGRRUd.png) (https://i.imgur.com/FnGRRUd.png)
Base Kit - I know I need to change the LOCK sublegend on the 1u Ctrl to Lock to match the others.
(https://i.imgur.com/NKS60Ra.png) (https://i.imgur.com/NKS60Ra.png)
Intl Kit - I do remember this took quite some time of me looking up the different ISO layouts and trying to cram compatibility for a good amount of them into a single kit without making it too big/ expensive. I'm not even sure yet if they're willing to do this kit but I gave it to Wei for quoting, so might as well make sure it's up to snuff.
Let me know if you see anything that you think needs changing.
Post by: soilheart on Wed, 12 September 2018, 09:17:36
The intl kit should also be doable, I think I paid 16.5 for my intl kit for the BoW set on kbdfans (not that it matters much to me personally, as I'm mostly interested in the base us intl layout ;). )
Post by: macclack on Wed, 12 September 2018, 11:35:44
Show Image
Hello and welcome back to the adventure that has been getting this set to happen. I'm starting this train back up since I finally got the motivation to try contacting the right people about it. Ten minutes talking with Wei from KBDFans and I'm already closer to getting info on getting this set into GB than I ever was from emailing ePBT directly. I find that odd, but c'est la vie you know. Now that this is slightly moving again, I figure it's time to pull up the mockup I just gave Wei and let people go over it to see if there's anything I missed. It's been a long time since I touched this set and I don't remember at all where I left off with the design.
(https://i.imgur.com/FnGRRUd.png) (https://i.imgur.com/FnGRRUd.png)
Base Kit - I know I need to change the LOCK sublegend on the 1u Ctrl to Lock to match the others.
(https://i.imgur.com/NKS60Ra.png) (https://i.imgur.com/NKS60Ra.png)
Intl Kit - I do remember this took quite some time of me looking up the different ISO layouts and trying to cram compatibility for a good amount of them into a single kit without making it too big/ expensive. I'm not even sure yet if they're willing to do this kit but I gave it to Wei for quoting, so might as well make sure it's up to snuff.
Let me know if you see anything that you think needs changing.
This is fantastic news. Was really hoping this would get resurrected. What about offering a green spacebar option, or even some green blank modifiers?
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 13 September 2018, 15:05:41
Post by: The_judge_168 on Thu, 13 September 2018, 15:23:26
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 13 September 2018, 15:43:46
Some good news, I've already heard back from Wei about the MOQ and pricing of the kits. MOQ for both Base and Intl kit will be 100 units each. Pricing I'm not going to say quite yet since it's subject to change if any modifications are made to the kit contents, but I will say that the original numbers I gave for the set here when it wasn't ePBT yet are closer than I would have expected them to be, so that's good news. I'll be looking at feedback from this and the KT thread while I'm waiting for samples and see what needs to be adjusted before moving on. I'm excited that this is finally moving off the ground now that I finally went to Wei about it, Wei for MVP.
Wei knows da Wei.
Wei 2020: Wei to the Presidency
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Fri, 14 September 2018, 00:31:48
One question
- would you consider an accent enter and ESC key ?
I know it's harder since it's dyesubbed, and I don't know if epbt does all over dyesubing, but some thing like the bright green key and dark green legends maybe?
I know you already said you have reached the limit to keep cost down, very important, I thought it doesn't hurt to ask.
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 17 September 2018, 11:55:15
Looking good. Can't refuse at this price.
One question
- would you consider an accent enter and ESC key ?
I know it's harder since it's dyesubbed, and I don't know if epbt does all over dyesubing, but some thing like the bright green key and dark green legends maybe?
I know you already said you have reached the limit to keep cost down, very important, I thought it doesn't hurt to ask.
Unfortunately ePBT doesn't do all-over/reverse dyesub, so this isn't an option coming from them. If there was interest for that then our options would be a separate accent pack from another dyesubber or even GMK.
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Tue, 16 October 2018, 18:45:52
Post by: asury on Fri, 19 October 2018, 03:35:27
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 23 October 2018, 23:39:33
Post by: phatty on Wed, 24 October 2018, 02:53:53
Do EPBT still do colourful mods that I can pick up and pair with this?
Regardless, I missed out on GMK Royal Alphas, so I'll be keen for this. Especially as it's ePBT
Post by: ejewell89 on Wed, 24 October 2018, 12:41:03
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 26 October 2018, 14:31:14
Post by: yap68 on Sat, 27 October 2018, 04:24:58
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Sat, 27 October 2018, 07:52:21
Really hoping for green accent and spacebar kits
I think some green blanks would be nice and doable in PBT.
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Wed, 31 October 2018, 14:21:48
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 31 October 2018, 15:25:09
Really hoping for green accent and spacebar kits
I think some green blanks would be nice and doable in PBT.
The thing about that would be A) I think just blanks would be a half-baked solution, and B) adding another color of plastic in the production would disproportionately increase the cost of the set. Supposedly gok is working with ePBT on a reverse sublimation setup for Kuro/Shiro, so that may be an option after all depending on how their testing goes.
Other news, I got a video from ePBT showing off the sample the made up for me. It looks good in the video but I'm waiting until I see it in person to give a conclusive evaluation. I'd show the video but at the moment I don't know somewhere quick/easy to upload it to.
Post by: gok_nz on Wed, 31 October 2018, 19:21:16
Really hoping for green accent and spacebar kits
I think some green blanks would be nice and doable in PBT.
The thing about that would be A) I think just blanks would be a half-baked solution, and B) adding another color of plastic in the production would disproportionately increase the cost of the set. Supposedly gok is working with ePBT on a reverse sublimation setup for Kuro/Shiro, so that may be an option after all depending on how their testing goes.
Other news, I got a video from ePBT showing off the sample the made up for me. It looks good in the video but I'm waiting until I see it in person to give a conclusive evaluation. I'd show the video but at the moment I don't know somewhere quick/easy to upload it to.
Does this link work? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404472694122479616/506766058628186122/video.mov (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/404472694122479616/506766058628186122/video.mov)
Royal Alpha is near the end.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 31 October 2018, 19:26:31
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 31 October 2018, 19:27:32
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 31 October 2018, 21:00:12
That does, but it makes you download it which I thought would worry some people, and it crashes my media player when I pause for some reason.
Didn't notice but then I realized I was on my phone. It just plays on mobile.
Post by: ejewell89 on Thu, 01 November 2018, 11:36:42
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 01 November 2018, 11:46:58
I didnt want to download. what is it?
video showing the keycaps
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 01 November 2018, 12:03:18
This is a video sample of ePBT Grayscale (muted), Slate, and Royal Alpha.
Post by: macclack on Thu, 01 November 2018, 21:30:30
I gotchu guys. I can remove this video from youtube if you want, but here it is so you cant actually watch it on desktop without downloading.
This is a video sample of ePBT Grayscale (muted), Slate, and Royal Alpha.
This looks absolutely fantastic. I'm more hyped than I was before. Nice sharp legends, and it looks like they got the color right too.
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Thu, 01 November 2018, 21:32:10
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 01 November 2018, 22:23:31
Looking good! GB when?
Gotta wait for the sample to get to me to see how it is in person, and then most likely gok will be giving the legends a going-over to make sure they're mint before moving on. It's worth it to make sure that this is as good as it can be to make up for the white base not hitting in GMK R2 *and* because I'm planning on more sets in the future using this one as a base.
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Thu, 01 November 2018, 22:26:07
I gotchu guys. I can remove this video from youtube if you want, but here it is so you cant actually watch it on desktop without downloading.Sorry, don't mean to hijack, but who is running grayscale and has the GB started for it?
This is a video sample of ePBT Grayscale (muted), Slate, and Royal Alpha.
Post by: ender on Tue, 06 November 2018, 19:05:30
I gotchu guys. I can remove this video from youtube if you want, but here it is so you cant actually watch it on desktop without downloading.
This is a video sample of ePBT Grayscale (muted), Slate, and Royal Alpha.
woah that looks REALLY good
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 09 November 2018, 16:19:12
(https://i.imgur.com/bOk7A60.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/bOk7A60.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/r404WUg.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/r404WUg.jpg)
Samples in today and got some first pics. There are a few inconsistency issues that Gok and I were aware of beforehand and already working on, but overall the quality of the subbing is on point. In the next couple days I'll put some of these on my board with my GMK set and get some close up pics comparing them. I'm already super hyped about it just from this sample though and can't wait until Gok has the legends setup and we're ready to go with this.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 09 November 2018, 16:24:41
Post by: macclack on Fri, 09 November 2018, 22:46:16
Post by: soilheart on Sat, 10 November 2018, 05:33:50
Show Image
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/q5esEL6.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/q5esEL6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bOk7A60.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/bOk7A60.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/r404WUg.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/r404WUg.jpg)
Samples in today and got some first pics. There are a few inconsistency issues that Gok and I were aware of beforehand and already working on, but overall the quality of the subbing is on point. In the next couple days I'll put some of these on my board with my GMK set and get some close up pics comparing them. I'm already super hyped about it just from this sample though and can't wait until Gok has the legends setup and we're ready to go with this.
No-one is probably as hyped as I am! An actual US Intl. keycap set. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Finally!
(I can't see any inconsistency that I would be annoyed by, and I'm easily annoyed, but you probably know what kind of inconsistencies look for =P)
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 10 November 2018, 16:25:58
(https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg)
Please forgive the GMK caps looking a little dirty, I used RA to experiment with clear-coating caps to keep the texture/pad printing and one of the side effects was that they get dirty super easily.
Things that I can see right now that I'd like to adjust/change:
Sublegend green is a little darker than with GMK
The ¡ on 1 looks more like an i
@ looks a bit thin
5 is missing the €
I'd like the ¼ and ½ to be a little shorter/match the main legends in height
Q is a bit thicc
® I'd like a little closer to GMK's
Maybe make § a bit thicker, not sure
Make G a bit thicker
Æ looks a bit cramped and the A portion is taller than the E portion
© I'd like to look more like GMK's
Bottom row legends need to be more consistent with one another
Overall touchups to consistency across all legends
This is all stuff I've talked to Gok about so far, so we're already in the process of fixing everything I've made a note of. Let me know if you see anything here that I haven't addressed that you think should be looked at.
Post by: nu_types on Sat, 10 November 2018, 21:44:31
Got a comparison pic today while the lighting in my room was acceptable
(https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg)
Please forgive the GMK caps looking a little dirty, I used RA to experiment with clear-coating caps to keep the texture/pad printing and one of the side effects was that they get dirty super easily.
Things that I can see right now that I'd like to adjust/change:
Sublegend green is a little darker than with GMK
The ¡ on 1 looks more like an i
@ looks a bit thin
5 is missing the €
I'd like the ¼ and ½ to be a little shorter/match the main legends in height
Q is a bit thicc
® I'd like a little closer to GMK's
Maybe make § a bit thicker, not sure
Make G a bit thicker
Æ looks a bit cramped and the A portion is taller than the E portion
© I'd like to look more like GMK's
Bottom row legends need to be more consistent with one another
Overall touchups to consistency across all legends
This is all stuff I've talked to Gok about so far, so we're already in the process of fixing everything I've made a note of. Let me know if you see anything here that I haven't addressed that you think should be looked at.
Its funny that the 'E' on the GMK cap looks slightly screwy when compared to the EnjoyPBT.
Post by: romevi on Sat, 10 November 2018, 21:53:24
Got a comparison pic today while the lighting in my room was acceptable
(https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg)
Please forgive the GMK caps looking a little dirty, I used RA to experiment with clear-coating caps to keep the texture/pad printing and one of the side effects was that they get dirty super easily.
Things that I can see right now that I'd like to adjust/change:
Sublegend green is a little darker than with GMK
The ¡ on 1 looks more like an i
@ looks a bit thin
5 is missing the €
I'd like the ¼ and ½ to be a little shorter/match the main legends in height
Q is a bit thicc
® I'd like a little closer to GMK's
Maybe make § a bit thicker, not sure
Make G a bit thicker
Æ looks a bit cramped and the A portion is taller than the E portion
© I'd like to look more like GMK's
Bottom row legends need to be more consistent with one another
Overall touchups to consistency across all legends
This is all stuff I've talked to Gok about so far, so we're already in the process of fixing everything I've made a note of. Let me know if you see anything here that I haven't addressed that you think should be looked at.
Its funny that the 'E' on the GMK cap looks slightly screwy when compared to the EnjoyPBT.
ePBT is bestPBT.
Post by: xoxox1029 on Mon, 12 November 2018, 05:15:15
Post by: ejewell89 on Mon, 12 November 2018, 09:41:01
Got a comparison pic today while the lighting in my room was acceptable
(https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg)
Please forgive the GMK caps looking a little dirty, I used RA to experiment with clear-coating caps to keep the texture/pad printing and one of the side effects was that they get dirty super easily.
Things that I can see right now that I'd like to adjust/change:
Sublegend green is a little darker than with GMK
The ¡ on 1 looks more like an i
@ looks a bit thin
5 is missing the €
I'd like the ¼ and ½ to be a little shorter/match the main legends in height
Q is a bit thicc
® I'd like a little closer to GMK's
Maybe make § a bit thicker, not sure
Make G a bit thicker
Æ looks a bit cramped and the A portion is taller than the E portion
© I'd like to look more like GMK's
Bottom row legends need to be more consistent with one another
Overall touchups to consistency across all legends
This is all stuff I've talked to Gok about so far, so we're already in the process of fixing everything I've made a note of. Let me know if you see anything here that I haven't addressed that you think should be looked at.
Its funny that the 'E' on the GMK cap looks slightly screwy when compared to the EnjoyPBT.
ePBT is bestPBT.
why are you here. this isnt a blue keyset
Post by: romevi on Mon, 12 November 2018, 13:35:22
Got a comparison pic today while the lighting in my room was acceptable
(https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg)
Please forgive the GMK caps looking a little dirty, I used RA to experiment with clear-coating caps to keep the texture/pad printing and one of the side effects was that they get dirty super easily.
Things that I can see right now that I'd like to adjust/change:
Sublegend green is a little darker than with GMK
The ¡ on 1 looks more like an i
@ looks a bit thin
5 is missing the €
I'd like the ¼ and ½ to be a little shorter/match the main legends in height
Q is a bit thicc
® I'd like a little closer to GMK's
Maybe make § a bit thicker, not sure
Make G a bit thicker
Æ looks a bit cramped and the A portion is taller than the E portion
© I'd like to look more like GMK's
Bottom row legends need to be more consistent with one another
Overall touchups to consistency across all legends
This is all stuff I've talked to Gok about so far, so we're already in the process of fixing everything I've made a note of. Let me know if you see anything here that I haven't addressed that you think should be looked at.
Its funny that the 'E' on the GMK cap looks slightly screwy when compared to the EnjoyPBT.
ePBT is bestPBT.
why are you here. this isnt a blue keyset
If Hydro didn't exist as a GMK set I wouldn't use GMK tbh.
Post by: ejewell89 on Mon, 12 November 2018, 14:07:00
Got a comparison pic today while the lighting in my room was acceptable
(https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg)
Please forgive the GMK caps looking a little dirty, I used RA to experiment with clear-coating caps to keep the texture/pad printing and one of the side effects was that they get dirty super easily.
Things that I can see right now that I'd like to adjust/change:
Sublegend green is a little darker than with GMK
The ¡ on 1 looks more like an i
@ looks a bit thin
5 is missing the €
I'd like the ¼ and ½ to be a little shorter/match the main legends in height
Q is a bit thicc
® I'd like a little closer to GMK's
Maybe make § a bit thicker, not sure
Make G a bit thicker
Æ looks a bit cramped and the A portion is taller than the E portion
© I'd like to look more like GMK's
Bottom row legends need to be more consistent with one another
Overall touchups to consistency across all legends
This is all stuff I've talked to Gok about so far, so we're already in the process of fixing everything I've made a note of. Let me know if you see anything here that I haven't addressed that you think should be looked at.
Its funny that the 'E' on the GMK cap looks slightly screwy when compared to the EnjoyPBT.
ePBT is bestPBT.
why are you here. this isnt a blue keyset
If Hydro didn't exist as a GMK set I wouldn't use GMK tbh.
Question still stands, sir
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 12 November 2018, 14:15:27
why are you here. this isnt a blue keyset
Well. not yet anyway...
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 12 November 2018, 17:27:47
why are you here. this isnt a blue keyset
Well. not yet anyway...
AH YESSSS. I was just thinking about other color combos for this template. Black with red sublegends, navy with lighter blue sublegends. Looks like good things ahead.
Think of all of the blue-gray and navy cases out there. We need some PBT with navy legends, boys!
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Tue, 04 December 2018, 08:19:36
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 07 December 2018, 20:57:23
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 07 December 2018, 23:31:54
Post by: ideus on Mon, 10 December 2018, 16:18:00
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Sat, 05 January 2019, 22:02:06
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 05 January 2019, 22:45:38
Any updates?I need to finish the mods on this. I've just got back from 1 month holiday so progress ground to a halt.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 06 January 2019, 02:16:36
Any updates?I need to finish the mods on this. I've just got back from 1 month holiday so progress ground to a halt.
We are patiently and eagerly awaiting your work :)
Post by: Theswetiyeti on Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:57:19
Post by: gok_nz on Thu, 24 January 2019, 01:12:25
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Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Thu, 24 January 2019, 05:36:42
Post by: geniekid on Thu, 24 January 2019, 09:51:05
Post by: ideus on Thu, 24 January 2019, 12:27:38
Got a comparison pic today while the lighting in my room was acceptable
(https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/8iN9U8P.jpg)
Please forgive the GMK caps looking a little dirty, I used RA to experiment with clear-coating caps to keep the texture/pad printing and one of the side effects was that they get dirty super easily.
Things that I can see right now that I'd like to adjust/change:
Sublegend green is a little darker than with GMK
The ¡ on 1 looks more like an i
@ looks a bit thin
5 is missing the €
I'd like the ¼ and ½ to be a little shorter/match the main legends in height
Q is a bit thicc
® I'd like a little closer to GMK's
Maybe make § a bit thicker, not sure
Make G a bit thicker
Æ looks a bit cramped and the A portion is taller than the E portion
© I'd like to look more like GMK's
Bottom row legends need to be more consistent with one another
Overall touchups to consistency across all legends
This is all stuff I've talked to Gok about so far, so we're already in the process of fixing everything I've made a note of. Let me know if you see anything here that I haven't addressed that you think should be looked at.
You can certainly get my money. This will be the first ever actually true to the original US International key set with long lasting sublimated legends. In this particular case I would take the PBT set over the ABS one any time, due to its longevity, that at my age would outlast me. It would make a pretty nice detail of my legacy, LOL.
Post by: JSaintS on Sun, 27 January 2019, 16:44:30
The design is finished and has been forwarded to Enjoypbt for sampling again.
(Attachment Link)
I'm so in for that!
Post by: mrpetrov on Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:17:28
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 28 January 2019, 08:38:31
I just watched Jae stream putting gmk royal alpha on the new Jer mini and it looked awesome. I will order this for a white kbd I have coming.
I'm still moist from that. Such a sexy combo!
Post by: ideus on Mon, 28 January 2019, 18:28:06
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Mon, 04 February 2019, 18:36:56
Post by: lebas23 on Wed, 06 February 2019, 19:58:50
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 06 February 2019, 20:27:53
Any chance for adding 2.25 and 2.75 units space bars? I know that the molds are already available.
It looks like they're already in there, but I would like confirmation that they will indeed be convex spacebars and not just blanks.
Post by: garbo on Wed, 06 February 2019, 21:03:25
Any chance for adding 2.25 and 2.75 units space bars? I know that the molds are already available.
GMK should have the convex 2.25 and 2.75u spacebar moulds after the latest carbon run, but I think epbt/gateron only have 3u convex ones for split space.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 06 February 2019, 21:37:12
Any chance for adding 2.25 and 2.75 units space bars? I know that the molds are already available.
GMK should have the convex 2.25 and 2.75u spacebar moulds after the latest carbon run, but I think epbt/gateron only have 3u convex ones for split space.
this is correct
Post by: Loztredditor on Sat, 09 February 2019, 20:36:49
Post by: garbo on Tue, 05 March 2019, 06:00:59
Post by: vicissitude on Tue, 05 March 2019, 08:02:57
I love this.
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 05 March 2019, 14:05:46
Post by: kconfire on Tue, 05 March 2019, 14:46:43
Post by: vtachkov on Tue, 05 March 2019, 14:56:03
Post by: macclack on Tue, 05 March 2019, 20:59:10
Has EPBT fixed their warping issues? I had BoW R1 and while the mods weren't too bad, the spacebars were essentially unusable.
I've gotten several sets from them and haven't had a warping issue with the spacebars. Have you tried heating it up and putting a heavy book on it to straighten it out?
Post by: gok_nz on Sat, 23 March 2019, 02:52:04
These should be heading to donutcat but here is a pic in the meantime.
Post by: dantambok on Sat, 23 March 2019, 02:55:51
The new samples have finished production.
These should be heading to donutcat but here is a pic in the meantime.
oh that looks good!
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Sat, 23 March 2019, 17:00:22
Post by: sakodo on Sat, 23 March 2019, 23:30:55
Post by: vicissitude on Sun, 24 March 2019, 00:50:09
GB and make it happen asap please.
Post by: hammerbrotha on Sun, 24 March 2019, 01:20:38
Post by: ideus on Sun, 24 March 2019, 21:35:24
Any chance for adding 2.25 and 2.75 units space bars? I know that the molds are already available.
GMK should have the convex 2.25 and 2.75u spacebar moulds after the latest carbon run, but I think epbt/gateron only have 3u convex ones for split space.
this is correct
The upcoming ePBT Kuro/Shiro includes convex 2.25 and 2.75 space bars in convex tops. But, I am not sure that it is actually the same supplier.
Post by: garbo on Mon, 25 March 2019, 05:24:18
Any chance for adding 2.25 and 2.75 units space bars? I know that the molds are already available.
GMK should have the convex 2.25 and 2.75u spacebar moulds after the latest carbon run, but I think epbt/gateron only have 3u convex ones for split space.
this is correct
The upcoming ePBT Kuro/Shiro includes convex 2.25 and 2.75 space bars in convex tops. But, I am not sure that it is actually the same supplier.
I believe you're mistaken, though obviously someone like gok could confirm for sure.
biip had the keys listed as convex in Extended 2048 at first. Maybe you're thinking of that?
Post by: ideus on Tue, 26 March 2019, 00:06:16
Any chance for adding 2.25 and 2.75 units space bars? I know that the molds are already available.
GMK should have the convex 2.25 and 2.75u spacebar moulds after the latest carbon run, but I think epbt/gateron only have 3u convex ones for split space.
this is correct
The upcoming ePBT Kuro/Shiro includes convex 2.25 and 2.75 space bars in convex tops. But, I am not sure that it is actually the same supplier.
I believe you're mistaken, though obviously someone like gok could confirm for sure.
biip had the keys listed as convex in Extended 2048 at first. Maybe you're thinking of that?
This is it. The convex space bars in Kuro/Shiro ePBT IC. Maybe the thread OP could confirm availability and size, they seem to be 3u.
(https://i.imgur.com/fXaEx1k.jpg)
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 26 March 2019, 03:51:24
Post by: kevinzavier on Tue, 26 March 2019, 14:17:28
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Tue, 26 March 2019, 14:41:43
would it be possible to have a green mod kit if there was enough interest?If I'm not mistaken this was discussed before, and I believe the conclusion was no because it would be too similar to gmk royal alpha. My memory could be wrong, but I'm sure donutcat will respond to this.
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Wed, 03 April 2019, 11:31:32
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 03 April 2019, 12:01:36
As for the green mod kit, the main reason for not going for it is that A) reverse subbing is still pretty experimental for ePBT, so it would be a bit of a gamble on overall quality/consistency, B) it's another kit that would add to overall cost of the set as well as complications in running it with MOQs and whatnot same as what happened with the GMK set, and C) because of how the GMK set turned out, I'm wanting to focus on the monotone version of the set, especially where it's suited to dyesub. I will talk with Gok and see about a few reverse subbed keys similar to what's in Kuro/Shiro.
Post by: DubbleYew on Wed, 03 April 2019, 12:38:40
Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Wed, 03 April 2019, 12:50:16
Green enter/esc/space/arrows similar to Kuro would be really nice I think.
Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk
Light green Fn, Code, and R2 Delete keys would be better I think and more like the inspiration for the set. No need to stick to the same colored modifiers as every other set.
Post by: sakodo on Thu, 04 April 2019, 04:07:17
I got the green and pink accents kits from epbt greyscale last week, those 2 smaller spacebars were 2x 3u.
Are they still available? Could you please give me a link? Thanks!
Post by: sakodo on Thu, 04 April 2019, 22:13:31
Post by: macclack on Sat, 06 April 2019, 00:20:25
Post by: Mortmn on Tue, 16 April 2019, 22:07:45
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Wed, 15 May 2019, 13:46:42
Post by: garbo on Wed, 15 May 2019, 18:05:03
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 15 May 2019, 19:13:40
- Waiting on the sample from ePBT that has GOK's edits. Should have been shipped around 03/25/19, but I haven't heard anything about it since.
- Ie splitting the numpad: nope. I'm not interesting in splitting off core parts of the set that will make their combined cost higher, especially for a set that's happening partially because of previous kit issues.
- Ie matching switches: wat
- Ie Rama artisan: probably not. It could be interesting, but again more wanting this to be a simpler set with less worry about kits and MOQs.
Post by: ArchDill on Wed, 15 May 2019, 19:42:19
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 04 June 2019, 00:09:57
Post by: macclack on Tue, 04 June 2019, 00:12:23
Post by: cldskt on Tue, 04 June 2019, 00:42:59
1. How is the spacebar warping? Would appreciate if you “press” down one side of the spacebars to show the bending.
2. Would this run before 2020?
Post by: pcire on Tue, 04 June 2019, 00:51:59
Received the updated samples from ePBT a few days ago. When I have a chance I'll go over them and check that everything is up to snuff before continuing on.
Awesome news!
Post by: pepo2181 on Tue, 04 June 2019, 06:52:17
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 09 June 2019, 03:47:19
(https://i.imgur.com/KCwTLoq.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/KCwTLoq.jpg)
Base kit - notice I'm missing the ISO Enter
(https://i.imgur.com/3lQOd45.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/3lQOd45.jpg)
Intl kit
(https://i.imgur.com/PU45TbS.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/PU45TbS.jpg)
Looking at warping in the big spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/hfyrujN.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/hfyrujN.jpg)
Loooking at warping in the other longer keys
Good news: It looks good. Alignment seems quite good with many of the special characters being much improved.
Bad news: Long keys are pretty warped. In the very small amount of time I've had to check in on stuff I had seen some mention of recent ePBT stuff having more warping due to changing colors. When I get in touch I'll try to see if there's any info about working on that before the set is ready to run.
Unrelated: I really need to get a display board for full sets so I don’t have to try and line up keys manually. PCB for a standardized full set display board ? :thonk:
Post by: cldskt on Sun, 09 June 2019, 04:17:06
Show Image
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Got a chance to open the set up and see what's what:
(https://i.imgur.com/KCwTLoq.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/KCwTLoq.jpg)
Base kit - notice I'm missing the ISO Enter
(https://i.imgur.com/3lQOd45.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/3lQOd45.jpg)
Intl kit
(https://i.imgur.com/PU45TbS.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/PU45TbS.jpg)
Looking at warping in the big spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/hfyrujN.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/hfyrujN.jpg)
Loooking at warping in the other longer keys
Good news: It looks good. Alignment seems quite good with many of the special characters being much improved.
Bad news: Long keys are pretty warped. In the very small amount of time I've had to check in on stuff I had seen some mention of recent ePBT stuff having more warping due to changing colors. When I get in touch I'll try to see if there's any info about working on that before the set is ready to run.
Unrelated: I really need to get a display board for full sets so I don’t have to try and line up keys manually. PCB for a standardized full set display board ? :thonk:
Yep that’s the usual warping. Not sure if anything can be done about that at this point tbh.
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 30 June 2019, 02:04:03
Finally had the time to get the set onto a board. Consistency and alignment are much better *across the board* than the first batch. I'm pretty happy with the current look of the set.
I did put what long keys I could on stabs to see how bad the warping would affect them. The long spacebars seem fine, a couple of the 2u-2.75u seem a little sticky, I couldn't test the 3u. I'll talk with them and see if the warping was just this sample being rushed out and if for the GB QA for warping will be a bit more stringent.
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Sun, 30 June 2019, 08:25:17
(https://i.imgur.com/LZU1PqU.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/LZU1PqU.jpg)
Finally had the time to get the set onto a board. Consistency and alignment are much better *across the board* than the first batch. I'm pretty happy with the current look of the set.
I did put what long keys I could on stabs to see how bad the warping would affect them. The long spacebars seem fine, a couple of the 2u-2.75u seem a little sticky, I couldn't test the 3u. I'll talk with them and see if the warping was just this sample being rushed out and if for the GB QA for warping will be a bit more stringent.
Are those green accents part of this set? Can we get some of the lighter green color?
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sun, 30 June 2019, 09:42:28
Edit: oops, those look like GMK caps.
Post by: EMC Labs on Sun, 30 June 2019, 18:18:49
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 30 June 2019, 20:54:48
Did this ever drop by any chance? It's quite old but it is still in IC.
Still working on it. Waiting for a bit more feedback on this stage and then the next step is hopefully discussing specifics of the GB process with KBDFans.
Post by: EMC Labs on Sun, 30 June 2019, 22:13:32
Did this ever drop by any chance? It's quite old but it is still in IC.
Still working on it. Waiting for a bit more feedback on this stage and then the next step is hopefully discussing specifics of the GB process with KBDFans.
Oh okay. I really like the design and wish it makes GB. Thanks for letting me know.
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 30 July 2019, 21:10:06
Post by: EMC Labs on Tue, 30 July 2019, 21:39:22
So, back to working on this and I've hit a point where feedback is needed. Lots of people are wanting some accent keys keys for the set. After talking with Gok about his experience with reverse subs from ePBT, his statement was that it's not as sharp as the normal subbing and the color has some inconsistency in it. So here's a strawpoll to see where people's opinions lie for this https://www.strawpoll.me/18401714. I'll let this run for awhile and see where it sits before moving forward.
Great to hear!
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Mon, 05 August 2019, 21:38:33
Post by: ideus on Tue, 06 August 2019, 09:50:22
Post by: romevi on Tue, 06 August 2019, 09:50:52
My wallet has a conflict of interest between this and 9009 r3. Cannot get both. :'(
Easy:
ePBT > GMK.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 06 August 2019, 09:53:02
But GMK has all the molds for my 50 oddness requirements and the great R5 bottom row. An old fart like me cannot let the Classic to pass.My wallet has a conflict of interest between this and 9009 r3. Cannot get both. :'(
Easy:
ePBT > GMK.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 06 August 2019, 10:16:36
But GMK has all the molds for my 50 oddness requirements and the great R5 bottom row. An old fart like me cannot let the Classic to pass.My wallet has a conflict of interest between this and 9009 r3. Cannot get both. :'(
Easy:
ePBT > GMK.
Oh... I see.
Post by: EMC Labs on Sat, 17 August 2019, 04:05:19
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 17 August 2019, 09:18:23
Post by: EMC Labs on Sat, 17 August 2019, 09:25:26
Working on getting some updated quotes to consider the effect the reverse subs could have on the set price if implemented. The results of the poll were quite close so I'm wanting a bit more information to work with.
Great to hear. Excited about this set.
Post by: Rayndalf on Sat, 17 August 2019, 14:46:17
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 01 September 2019, 02:25:25
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 09 December 2019, 03:06:52
Of note is I'm also currently in a situation concerning the "international kit": ePBT's MOQ is 200, so I'm almost sure an international kit wouldn't hit that, but on the other hand it's a lot of keys to tuck into the base kit. I'm not wanting to ditch it completely but I'm sure keeping "unnecessary keys" in the base is of concern for people. Something I have to think on.
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Mon, 09 December 2019, 03:15:46
Really enjoy my Budget96 and i think these would look nice on it ;D
Post by: scoopbb on Mon, 09 December 2019, 10:37:17
Post by: tex_live_utility on Mon, 09 December 2019, 10:57:04
ortho kit please. epbt has molds and its super cheap usually
Kinda silly but how about green 1u blanks instead? Might be cheaper.
Post by: scoopbb on Mon, 09 December 2019, 12:10:08
ortho kit please. epbt has molds and its super cheap usually
Kinda silly but how about green 1u blanks instead? Might be cheaper.
ortho kit is like 12 - 18 bucks for the epbt sets. thats already cheap in my book
Post by: Slayer77 on Mon, 09 December 2019, 23:52:09
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Post by: Zurg Eon on Tue, 10 December 2019, 09:57:05
Post by: rockydbull on Tue, 10 December 2019, 10:38:30
So it's been a hot minute since the last update; stuff just kinda got buried under work to do and things that needed more of my attention. I'm back in touch with Wei and we're knocking out the final details right now. What I can tell you right now is we are looking to go forward with a couple reverse-subbed accent keys as long as the samples for them look good.
Of note is I'm also currently in a situation concerning the "international kit": ePBT's MOQ is 200, so I'm almost sure an international kit wouldn't hit that, but on the other hand it's a lot of keys to tuck into the base kit. I'm not wanting to ditch it completely but I'm sure keeping "unnecessary keys" in the base is of concern for people. Something I have to think on.
Interesting, I was under the impression from other custom epbt sets run recently that the MOQ of 200 is for the base kit and the child kits don't have a MOQ. Looking at 2048 and SJA I can't imagine all of those child kits got to 200.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 10 December 2019, 12:35:13
Very interested in this. Hoping the international kit stays. A 1.5u green backspace like the original typewriter had could have been nice.There is no international kit in the OP. What do you mean? Even if it were included it only may be manufactured if vendors help to support it reaching MoQ. Also, an international kit would be redundant with the green international sub legends.
Post by: Zurg Eon on Tue, 10 December 2019, 12:50:44
Very interested in this. Hoping the international kit stays. A 1.5u green backspace like the original typewriter had could have been nice.There is no international kit in the OP. What do you mean? Even if it were included it only may be manufactured if vendors help to support it reaching MoQ. Also, an international kit would be redundant with the green international sub legends.
I mean this:
(https://i.imgur.com/3lQOd45.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/3lQOd45.jpg)
Intl kit
Of note is I'm also currently in a situation concerning the "international kit": ePBT's MOQ is 200, so I'm almost sure an international kit wouldn't hit that, but on the other hand it's a lot of keys to tuck into the base kit. I'm not wanting to ditch it completely but I'm sure keeping "unnecessary keys" in the base is of concern for people. Something I have to think on.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 10 December 2019, 14:01:20
Post by: eskimojo on Thu, 12 December 2019, 09:23:10
Of note is I'm also currently in a situation concerning the "international kit": ePBT's MOQ is 200, so I'm almost sure an international kit wouldn't hit that, but on the other hand it's a lot of keys to tuck into the base kit. I'm not wanting to ditch it completely but I'm sure keeping "unnecessary keys" in the base is of concern for people. Something I have to think on.
So MOQ Hit?
Yes. It was 200 for the base kit. That’s all :thumb:
Did something change on the ePBT side? biip and his vendors were very clear that the 200 MOQ was only for base, and child kits effectively had a MOQ of 1.
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 12 December 2019, 09:55:37
Of note is I'm also currently in a situation concerning the "international kit": ePBT's MOQ is 200, so I'm almost sure an international kit wouldn't hit that, but on the other hand it's a lot of keys to tuck into the base kit. I'm not wanting to ditch it completely but I'm sure keeping "unnecessary keys" in the base is of concern for people. Something I have to think on.So MOQ Hit?
Yes. It was 200 for the base kit. That’s all :thumb:
Did something change on the ePBT side? biip and his vendors were very clear that the 200 MOQ was only for base, and child kits effectively had a MOQ of 1.
Seems I'll need to go doublecheck on what I was told then. I was fairly sure they said 200 per kit, but there's a chance with everything language barrier included I may have misunderstood.
Post by: eskimojo on Thu, 12 December 2019, 10:07:23
Possible International Kits for Custom Sets (http://farah.cl/Keyboardery/Possible-International-Kits-for-Custom-Sets/)
A Visual Comparison of Different National Layouts on a Computer Keyboard (http://farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/)
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 10 January 2020, 06:17:48
I'll just leave this here. Also, I'm getting the splitting up of the kit and the issue of MOQ for the Intl kit taken care of as well. Hoping we might finally have this ready to get going here shortly.
Post by: Fredington on Fri, 10 January 2020, 06:20:17
(https://i.imgur.com/lzxo6IR.jpg?1) (https://i.imgur.com/lzxo6IR.jpg?1)
I'll just leave this here. Also, I'm getting the splitting up of the kit and the issue of MOQ for the Intl kit taken care of as well. Hoping we might finally have this ready to get going here shortly.
Looks good but I would really like to see some of the lime green accents on non-traditional accent keys like delete and code (as per the original RA keyboard):
(http://i.imgur.com/yzkFh2l.jpg)
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Fri, 10 January 2020, 06:24:58
-snip-
I'll just leave this here. Also, I'm getting the splitting up of the kit and the issue of MOQ for the Intl kit taken care of as well. Hoping we might finally have this ready to get going here shortly.
So are the lime sublegends going to be there or not? Its really nice either way but they are definitely part of the appeal :)
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 10 January 2020, 07:22:59
-snip-
I'll just leave this here. Also, I'm getting the splitting up of the kit and the issue of MOQ for the Intl kit taken care of as well. Hoping we might finally have this ready to get going here shortly.
So are the lime sublegends going to be there or not? Its really nice either way but they are definitely part of the appeal :)
Realized I hadn't yet posted a recent mockup for the set:
(https://i.imgur.com/ziiFHDg.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ziiFHDg.png)
Hmm, for some reason this pic has issues with embedding well.
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Fri, 10 January 2020, 08:55:04
-snip-
I'll just leave this here. Also, I'm getting the splitting up of the kit and the issue of MOQ for the Intl kit taken care of as well. Hoping we might finally have this ready to get going here shortly.
So are the lime sublegends going to be there or not? Its really nice either way but they are definitely part of the appeal :)
Realized I hadn't yet posted a recent mockup for the set:
-snip-
Sweet, looks amazing!
Post by: nephlock on Fri, 10 January 2020, 18:52:37
-snip-
I'll just leave this here. Also, I'm getting the splitting up of the kit and the issue of MOQ for the Intl kit taken care of as well. Hoping we might finally have this ready to get going here shortly.
So are the lime sublegends going to be there or not? Its really nice either way but they are definitely part of the appeal :)
Realized I hadn't yet posted a recent mockup for the set:
(https://i.imgur.com/ziiFHDg.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ziiFHDg.png)
Hmm, for some reason this pic has issues with embedding well.
I’m so hot for this.
Post by: Zurg Eon on Fri, 10 January 2020, 19:41:39
Realized I hadn't yet posted a recent mockup for the set:
(https://i.imgur.com/ziiFHDg.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ziiFHDg.png)
Hmm, for some reason this pic has issues with embedding well.
Looks super nice!
Found an issue with the 9-key in the international section. I believe it should have ) as the sub legend. 8 has (.
Other than that, I feel like I can live without two of the keys that would bring perfect (?) or closer to perfect ISO Nor compat (i.e. 2"@ and 4¤$).
Interesting inclusion of two 3u spacebars. Haven't seen those before, but I guess there's a use for them.
Here's an idea: Include a lime green 2u backspace with box-icon. That's an accent key I would use, just to match the original this is based on for modern layouts. :D (even though the original had a 1.5u backspace in the top right corner)
And also, I would suggest dropping the icon from the shift keys. Would match better with the other mods. OG didn't have icons either, except for backspace. Icons on enter, backspace and tab are fine though.
Post by: gok_nz on Fri, 10 January 2020, 20:43:31
Realized I hadn't yet posted a recent mockup for the set:
(https://i.imgur.com/ziiFHDg.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ziiFHDg.png)
Hmm, for some reason this pic has issues with embedding well.
Looks super nice!
Found an issue with the 9-key in the international section. I believe it should have ) as the sub legend. 8 has (.
Other than that, I feel like I can live without two of the keys that would bring perfect (?) or closer to perfect ISO Nor compat (i.e. 2"@ and 4¤$).
Interesting inclusion of two 3u spacebars. Haven't seen those before, but I guess there's a use for them.
Here's an idea: Include a lime green 2u backspace with box-icon. That's an accent key I would use, just to match the original this is based on for modern layouts. :D (even though the original had a 1.5u backspace in the top right corner)
And also, I would suggest dropping the icon from the shift keys. Would match better with the other mods. OG didn't have icons either, except for backspace. Icons on enter, backspace and tab are fine though.
Oops. Nice pick up. I'll get this fixed right now. Cheers.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 10 January 2020, 21:15:50
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 11 January 2020, 07:45:02
Does the <> key cap fit better in the international kit? If so it should have the less/greater-than symbols in dark green and the pipe and back slash in light green, and their positions should be switched on the key.
It's the R4 key for basic Eng-Intl/ISO support. As with many of the keys in this version, the legends are a bit of a compromise focusing firstly on Eng-Intl(the basis of the set) and *then* adding <> to technically meet the needs of several ISO layouts.
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Mon, 03 February 2020, 05:18:19
Post by: bukowski on Mon, 03 February 2020, 06:10:48
Post by: ideus on Mon, 03 February 2020, 09:32:09
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 03 February 2020, 16:33:39
Got any updates on timeline and so on? Vendors? GB time? Looking forward to this set a lot :)
This will be handled just by KBDFans just like how Kuro/Shiro was done. For right now I'm basically waiting on CNY to be over and then we can finish up the details to move to GB phase. With the Coronavirus dealio going on there's a chance that could affect our timeline too.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 03 February 2020, 19:21:33
Got any updates on timeline and so on? Vendors? GB time? Looking forward to this set a lot :)
This will be handled just by KBDFans just like how Kuro/Shiro was done. For right now I'm basically waiting on CNY to be over and then we can finish up the details to move to GB phase. With the Coronavirus dealio going on there's a chance that could affect our timeline too.
Would the 2019-nCoV delay the buy? Where is KBDFans located?
Post by: rockydbull on Tue, 04 February 2020, 09:58:46
Got any updates on timeline and so on? Vendors? GB time? Looking forward to this set a lot :)
This will be handled just by KBDFans just like how Kuro/Shiro was done. For right now I'm basically waiting on CNY to be over and then we can finish up the details to move to GB phase. With the Coronavirus dealio going on there's a chance that could affect our timeline too.
Do you plan on keeping it as one large base kit or doing child kits?
Post by: sh_xguitar on Wed, 05 February 2020, 00:20:06
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 05 February 2020, 02:57:04
Got any updates on timeline and so on? Vendors? GB time? Looking forward to this set a lot :)
This will be handled just by KBDFans just like how Kuro/Shiro was done. For right now I'm basically waiting on CNY to be over and then we can finish up the details to move to GB phase. With the Coronavirus dealio going on there's a chance that could affect our timeline too.
Do you plan on keeping it as one large base kit or doing child kits?
The plan is splitting the bottom portion of international keys off as a child kit and keeping the upper main portion of keys as the base kit.
Post by: sh_xguitar on Sun, 09 February 2020, 19:23:51
Post by: scoopbb on Sun, 09 February 2020, 20:51:08
Got any updates on timeline and so on? Vendors? GB time? Looking forward to this set a lot :)
This will be handled just by KBDFans just like how Kuro/Shiro was done. For right now I'm basically waiting on CNY to be over and then we can finish up the details to move to GB phase. With the Coronavirus dealio going on there's a chance that could affect our timeline too.
Do you plan on keeping it as one large base kit or doing child kits?
The plan is splitting the bottom portion of international keys off as a child kit and keeping the upper main portion of keys as the base kit.
no plans for ortho?
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 09 February 2020, 21:01:30
Got any updates on timeline and so on? Vendors? GB time? Looking forward to this set a lot :)
This will be handled just by KBDFans just like how Kuro/Shiro was done. For right now I'm basically waiting on CNY to be over and then we can finish up the details to move to GB phase. With the Coronavirus dealio going on there's a chance that could affect our timeline too.
Do you plan on keeping it as one large base kit or doing child kits?
The plan is splitting the bottom portion of international keys off as a child kit and keeping the upper main portion of keys as the base kit.
no plans for ortho?
(https://i.imgur.com/ziiFHDg.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ziiFHDg.png)
What you see here is our final kits contents, no plans for dedicated ortho at this time.
Post by: rockydbull on Sun, 09 February 2020, 21:58:02
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Mon, 10 February 2020, 02:00:27
Post by: rockydbull on Mon, 10 February 2020, 07:36:13
They are already in there, look by the accent coloured numpad enter :)
Yeah I see the spacebars are there but I did not see anything indicating they were convex instead of concave (spacebar shape and not shift key shape). Supposedly, EPBT can do that now and the first set was Simple JA
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 03 March 2020, 17:02:49
Post by: yui_ on Tue, 03 March 2020, 17:18:34
Post by: rockydbull on Tue, 03 March 2020, 17:35:01
Back in touch with Wei, confirmed that the little spacebars will be convex. Just making sure that the small type with the Intl kit 9 key is fixed up and then we're basically ready for business.
Heck yeah convex mini bars!
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 03 March 2020, 19:55:49
to me, those homing keys in the sample image are scooped without homing bar, will those homing keys be an option in the gb? the layout image isnt clear.
(https://i.imgur.com/iZBGQlh.png) (https://i.imgur.com/iZBGQlh.png)
It's not super easy to see in the resized embed, but those are bars.
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Thu, 05 March 2020, 00:07:06
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 08 April 2020, 18:12:14
I think this is probably the right choice considering a GB process at this time is just more stress to deal with on either side, not to mention the insecurity of having money tied up until production is done. This way the wait time before you can order is longer, but it should be days instead of months between ordering and receiving a set. Plus, it makes it much more accessible to those who would otherwise be rushed and inconvenienced by the timeline of a GB.
Let me know your thoughts, but barring any difficulties this is how things will proceed.
Post by: nephlock on Wed, 08 April 2020, 18:16:52
So here is the state of things: Nothing right now is really going like anyone planned and everything’s a giant kerfuffle. I’ve been offered the chance to skip the GB process entirely and have this set go straight to “in stock” via KBDFans.
I think this is probably the right choice considering a GB process at this time is just more stress to deal with on either side, not to mention the insecurity of having money tied up until production is done. This way the wait time before you can order is longer, but it should be days instead of months between ordering and receiving a set. Plus, it makes it much more accessible to those who would otherwise be rushed and inconvenienced by the timeline of a GB.
Let me know your thoughts, but barring any difficulties this is how things will proceed.
Doesn't bother me a bit. Honestly probably better in the long term, and doesn't really affect us end users much from a timeline standpoint. give money and wait, or wait and give money.
Thanks for the update!
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 08 April 2020, 18:18:26
Not that it means much since it'll sell out immediately anyhow
Post by: pcire on Wed, 08 April 2020, 18:25:16
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 08 April 2020, 18:29:52
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 08 April 2020, 18:47:17
I'm okay with it going to an in-stock option.
Not that it means much since it'll sell out immediately anyhow
On one hand, that'd be neat, but on the other hand, yeah that'd be a pain for some people waiting for next batch. I'm thinking the initial batch size will help have a bit of a cushion there, but I guess we have to see.
How is the pricing affected? I’m guessing it’d be cheaper if we’d be able to support the set as gb buyers?
We're looking to keep the price increase down moving from GB to in-stock, part of which is I'm taking a drop to my per-set cut to help get the costs down.
Any chance of adding in R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn at this point? Compatibility looks great otherwise; might pick this up at some point if it becomes an in-stock option, but those two would really be a must.
I'll bring that up, but that this point kit contents are almost for sure locked in.
Post by: pepo2181 on Wed, 08 April 2020, 22:12:08
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Thu, 09 April 2020, 04:52:22
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 09 April 2020, 05:08:44
Any chance of adding in R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn at this point? Compatibility looks great otherwise; might pick this up at some point if it becomes an in-stock option, but those two would really be a must.
I'll bring that up, but that this point kit contents are almost for sure locked in.
Alright, thanks.
Post by: Kawamashi on Thu, 09 April 2020, 06:36:42
An in-stock item is good if there is a lot of them, but with the shamelessly increase of scalpers, there could be people who have been following the IC and want the set, to not get it.
Well KBDFans dont currently ship here so if it goes into stock before they do again i for one wont be able to get it :/ If it wasnt for that detail id be fine with it
Same concerns here. I've got no pb with this set being sold in stock instead of preoredered with a GB, if there is enough stock and if KBDFans ships again to EU.
Post by: pepo2181 on Thu, 09 April 2020, 09:24:02
Same concerns here. I've got no pb with this set being sold in stock instead of preoredered with a GB, if there is enough stock and if KBDFans ships again to EU.
kbdfans stoped shipping to EU due to Covid-19, or something before that?
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 09 April 2020, 16:35:46
Shipping issues with Covid are a bit of an issue, but the good news is in-stock batches will give immensely more opportunity for everyone to pick up a set than a single GB run would have, *especially* with these issues ongoing.
Post by: hammerbrotha on Thu, 09 April 2020, 19:10:15
So here is the state of things: Nothing right now is really going like anyone planned and everything’s a giant kerfuffle. I’ve been offered the chance to skip the GB process entirely and have this set go straight to “in stock” via KBDFans.
I think this is probably the right choice considering a GB process at this time is just more stress to deal with on either side, not to mention the insecurity of having money tied up until production is done. This way the wait time before you can order is longer, but it should be days instead of months between ordering and receiving a set. Plus, it makes it much more accessible to those who would otherwise be rushed and inconvenienced by the timeline of a GB.
Let me know your thoughts, but barring any difficulties this is how things will proceed.
I have 0 problem with this, in fact i'd almost prefer this option!
Post by: wencan008 on Thu, 09 April 2020, 21:02:18
Post by: nephlock on Thu, 09 April 2020, 21:12:08
Post by: gok_nz on Thu, 09 April 2020, 22:04:57
would it be possible to open the sale up a few days early in private? or somehow get a securement code in advance? I think the big concern is that in a GB you are guaranteed a spot. Some of the concerns of in stock is that if the mob hits it immediately and it sells out instantly, there would be those that patiently followed this whole process that end up not being able to get it because the wolves hit it firstI think the way Wei wants to run sets now is to keep making them until there is no longer demand.
Post by: rockydbull on Fri, 10 April 2020, 07:23:49
would it be possible to open the sale up a few days early in private? or somehow get a securement code in advance? I think the big concern is that in a GB you are guaranteed a spot. Some of the concerns of in stock is that if the mob hits it immediately and it sells out instantly, there would be those that patiently followed this whole process that end up not being able to get it because the wolves hit it firstI think the way Wei wants to run sets now is to keep making them until there is no longer demand.
Interesting. So for example the bow posted now on his site is expected to be restocked when it sells out?
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 10 April 2020, 07:45:18
would it be possible to open the sale up a few days early in private? or somehow get a securement code in advance? I think the big concern is that in a GB you are guaranteed a spot. Some of the concerns of in stock is that if the mob hits it immediately and it sells out instantly, there would be those that patiently followed this whole process that end up not being able to get it because the wolves hit it firstI think the way Wei wants to run sets now is to keep making them until there is no longer demand.
Interesting. So for example the bow posted now on his site is expected to be restocked when it sells out?
I think a more appropriate example would be ePBT 9009, that went 3 rounds because of it's popularity.
There's no predicting what will be restocked and what won't be restocked so fomo is still a thing. The best thing to do is to keep up with the store page and the KBDFans discord to keep track of what will happen.
They're usually communicative on updates on the discord.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 10 April 2020, 15:59:09
Post by: pepo2181 on Tue, 05 May 2020, 05:40:24
Did the set went live yesterday and sold out already?
Post by: o3okevin on Tue, 05 May 2020, 07:56:49
On the bottom of the product page (https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/epbt-x-donutcat-royal-alpha-keycaps-set):Show Image(https://imgur.com/W8mQFlS)
Did the set went live yesterday and sold out already?
Quote
This is not a group purchase, and 200 sets are expected to be produced in stock by the end of may. Add to the waiting list and you will be notified by email upon arrival.
Post by: macclack on Tue, 05 May 2020, 12:56:52
Post by: eskimojo on Tue, 05 May 2020, 13:19:55
Damn that went fast.
Quote from: kbdfans
This is not a group purchase, and 200 sets are expected to be produced in stock by the end of may. Add to the waiting list and you will be notified by email upon arrival.
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 05 May 2020, 15:43:16
https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/epbt-x-donutcat-royal-alpha-keycaps-set
As it says, should be end of May or early June the sets are ready.
Post by: pepo2181 on Tue, 05 May 2020, 19:51:23
Yeah, I had planned to post about it earlier today but got beat to the punch it seems.Thanks Donut for confirming. I'm on the Discord for kbdfans but for some reasons, even with all the notifications turned on for the announcements channel, I don't received them. It's annoying, especially since they do the announcement at random hours
https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/epbt-x-donutcat-royal-alpha-keycaps-set
As it says, should be end of May or early June the sets are ready.
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 03 June 2020, 22:52:30
Post by: pepo2181 on Thu, 04 June 2020, 20:04:35
Soon™Awesome!!
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Fri, 05 June 2020, 01:53:52
Post by: Capsy on Sat, 20 June 2020, 21:04:03
SoonAny ETA on this, donut? Thanks
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 20 June 2020, 22:41:49
SoonAny ETA on this, donut? Thanks
Well the darndest happened. *I* was informed stuff would be ready soon, I said soon here, and I've not been privy to any new information on the set as of yet :/
I'm hoping it's just small delays but I'll be hitting Wei up Monday to see if there's any info.
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 20 June 2020, 22:42:50
SoonAny ETA on this, donut? Thanks
Well the darndest happened. *I* was informed stuff would be ready soon, I said soon here, and I've not been privy to any new information on the set as of yet :/
I'm hoping it's just small delays but I'll be hitting Wei up Monday to see if there's any info.
Here's to that as well, I've been hawking it
Post by: pepo2181 on Thu, 16 July 2020, 20:13:27
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 21 July 2020, 04:16:34
Post by: pepo2181 on Tue, 21 July 2020, 05:16:15
Post by: Anthixious on Tue, 21 July 2020, 06:19:09
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 22 July 2020, 01:57:13
Post by: fabijolo on Wed, 22 July 2020, 13:09:04
Post by: Little4Real on Wed, 22 July 2020, 16:31:59
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 22 July 2020, 16:44:34
Going to match it up side by side with my GMK set and see who makes the cut!
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 22 July 2020, 22:36:28
So... is it a GB, or are they an in-stock keyset?
I've heard it's an in-stock set.
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 22 July 2020, 23:55:22
Picked up a set as well! :thumb:If you wouldn't mind quoting me when you get to compare... Please do. I'm SO curious and am trying my best to hold back in purchasing a set right now (just saving a bit).
Going to match it up side by side with my GMK set and see who makes the cut!
Post by: kokugatsu on Thu, 23 July 2020, 22:00:43
Hopefully the warping won't be as bad as my set of kuro.
Post by: fabijolo on Fri, 24 July 2020, 04:08:25
Post by: macclack on Fri, 24 July 2020, 14:28:20
Post by: pepo2181 on Fri, 24 July 2020, 20:27:38
Post by: Kawamashi on Sat, 25 July 2020, 02:42:53
Post by: Anthixious on Sat, 25 July 2020, 12:51:26
Post by: Anthixious on Mon, 27 July 2020, 10:23:11
Post by: pepo2181 on Mon, 27 July 2020, 10:27:09
Boys I got mine early this morning! Where can I post glamour shots? :thumb:Congrats! That was fast!
I was hoping to at least have a shipping notification by now, but nothing yet :(
Post by: kokugatsu on Mon, 27 July 2020, 10:29:09
Boys I got mine early this morning! Where can I post glamour shots? :thumb:
Here would be good, don't think donut has his own discord channel (?)
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 27 July 2020, 17:12:23
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 27 July 2020, 17:37:17
(https://i.imgur.com/APPJa48.jpg)
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 27 July 2020, 17:51:16
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aedg5ek.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/APPJa48.jpg)
Looks pretty good and doesn't look like the warping is so bad, lest you would have mentioned it. How do you like it?
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 27 July 2020, 18:34:07
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aedg5ek.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/APPJa48.jpg)
Looks pretty good and doesn't look like the warping is so bad, lest you would have mentioned it. How do you like it?
I've come to just accept the warping. It isn't as bad in this round as recent ePBT sets though. The space bar is just about the same but not unusable by any means, same with the 2.75 shift.
Enter has slight curvature but is admissible.
Backspace and 2.25 shift seem to be in great shape.
Album - https://imgur.com/a/lFzYGgW
Overall I'm impressed with it
Post by: Capsy on Mon, 27 July 2020, 18:35:17
Looks great. The colors seem to really popShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/aedg5ek.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/APPJa48.jpg)
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 27 July 2020, 18:57:05
Post by: nsyinc on Mon, 27 July 2020, 21:11:02
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/aedg5ek.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/APPJa48.jpg)
do you have pictures of the color accent keys? i want to see how the green turns out IRL.
the legends also look pretty straight. the recent epbt 9009 set i got has some slight tilt to some alphas like I, W, E, U.
Post by: Anthixious on Mon, 27 July 2020, 23:03:43
Durgod Taurus K310 keyboard.
Post by: Anthixious on Mon, 27 July 2020, 23:07:16
Post by: pepo2181 on Tue, 28 July 2020, 11:44:45
Post by: Capsy on Tue, 28 July 2020, 11:53:20
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200728/212b2c91d73117649e295949a2d81063.jpg)
Post by: Anthixious on Tue, 28 July 2020, 12:14:18
Looking for a darker emerald one myself.
Post by: Shadohhh on Tue, 28 July 2020, 12:22:39
Post by: macclack on Tue, 28 July 2020, 12:40:23
The short spacebars i received were so warped they dont even fit in the stabs. Oh well. good looking set anyways.
Warped spacebars are relatively easy to fix.
Post by: Anthixious on Tue, 28 July 2020, 12:59:21
Post by: macclack on Tue, 28 July 2020, 14:16:16
My 2¢: The sub legends are a much brighter green on the GMK, and as usual, the double shot legends are crisper, but overall pretty good! Thanks again for making this happen donutcat. I'm happy with the set.
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Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 28 July 2020, 14:20:37
Really happy because the colors look much more to my liking on the epbt set :thumb: :thumb:
Banana space bar still?
Post by: pepo2181 on Wed, 05 August 2020, 20:03:56
Post by: Anthixious on Wed, 05 August 2020, 20:34:41
Post by: pepo2181 on Wed, 05 August 2020, 20:38:46
A+ green keyboard enclosure :DThanks, that build is a all Donut Cables, since the keyboard (Budget96) was designed and sold by him :)
Post by: SenseiJia on Wed, 05 August 2020, 20:47:27
Post by: Anthixious on Wed, 05 August 2020, 21:08:27
A+ green keyboard enclosure :DThanks, that build is a all Donut Cables, since the keyboard (Budget96) was designed and sold by him :)
I'd love to go after that design even though it's green, problem is it's low-profile and I already have my eyes set on Gon's Keyboard Works' NerD 108 board or their TKL board with the numpad.
Post by: macclack on Wed, 05 August 2020, 23:21:37
My set won’t be here for a few more days. Thanks for the photo! I’m
Really happy because the colors look much more to my liking on the epbt set :thumb: :thumb:
Banana space bar still?
My spacebars were pretty bad. I tried fixing the 7u spacebar with the old heat gun method and ended up f*ing it up. Oops.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 05 August 2020, 23:44:12
My set won’t be here for a few more days. Thanks for the photo! I’m
Really happy because the colors look much more to my liking on the epbt set :thumb: :thumb:
Banana space bar still?
My spacebars were pretty bad. I tried fixing the 7u spacebar with the old heat gun method and ended up f*ing it up. Oops.
That sucks. I remember ordering a 7u space bar from SP for my granite set. Waited like 3 weeks for it. Was a banana, of course. Heated it up with hair dryer, tried to slightly bend it... snapped in half. whoops.
Post by: Pylon on Tue, 27 October 2020, 22:56:28
https://kbdfans.com/products/epbt-x-donutcat-royal-alpha-keycaps-set
Are there plans for a restock?