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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 06:14:59 »
I was wondering if you could simplify the design. Here's what I was thinking.



Or something more drastic and "dynamic."

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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 07:38:44 »
MM, that's a good point: Does that notch you take out in image #1 serve any non-aesthetic purpose?
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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 09:10:37 »
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I was wondering if you could simplify the design. Here's what I was thinking.

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Or something more drastic and "dynamic."
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The first is possible and a good idea. The second one, I wont have enough place to fit the controller in there.
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« Reply #53 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 13:52:41 »
Where does the controller fit and how does the PCB look like?

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« Reply #54 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 14:08:16 »
The pcbs are not designed yet but the controller will be at the top right on the right hand.
Something like that (old pic):
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« Reply #55 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 17:43:33 »
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(my first and only cherry based boards are my doxkb).

Thought you said you had a WYSE around here somewhere?

It seems like every day my interest in this project grows. If we can get this under $200: I'm in for sure, under $250: good chance, under $300: okay chance, depends on timing.

Given the interest garnered thus far, it sort of looks like we've a shot of getting 10+ made, which is pretty awesome.
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« Reply #56 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 18:00:21 »
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Thought you said you had a WYSE around here somewhere?

It seems like every day my interest in this project grows. If we can get this under $200: I'm in for sure, under $250: good chance, under $300: okay chance, depends on timing.

Given the interest garnered thus far, it sort of looks like we've a shot of getting 10+ made, which is pretty awesome.
I got a wyse on ebay for the keycaps and to try some different switches (black and getto red) for my doxkbs.

Thanks for the interest, when this will be closer to completion I will post the prices for different quantity and hopefully that will bring in more people into it!
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« Reply #57 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 18:38:01 »
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« Reply #58 on: Mon, 17 October 2011, 19:05:47 »
Looks good!

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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 25 October 2011, 07:22:41 »
This looks very nice, I'm defo going to keep an eye on this thread.

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« Reply #60 on: Thu, 27 October 2011, 20:03:49 »
might wanna think about lining up the num-row with the fingers like kinesis/maltron. It's actually easier for me now to touch type numbers on a matrix layout, than ever before, and i'm a numpad snob (of course i'll always num-type faster with num-pad, but matrix num-row is very good).

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« Reply #61 on: Thu, 27 October 2011, 23:51:28 »
Quote from: Lanx;440816
might wanna think about lining up the num-row with the fingers like kinesis/maltron. It's actually easier for me now to touch type numbers on a matrix layout, than ever before, and i'm a numpad snob (of course i'll always num-type faster with num-pad, but matrix num-row is very good).

100% agree. All split matrix keyboards are consistent, Kinesis, Maltron, Typematrix, and even the TrulyErgonomic as well as the Fingerworks Touchstream (my photo below).
1 is above Q, 5 is above T, 6 is above Y, 0 is above P (assuming qwerty layout).

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« Reply #62 on: Fri, 28 October 2011, 00:40:55 »
if we wanna go further with it, and i'm sure most kinesis guys think this way, if i have to type "1" i think "use pinky" if i have to type "8" i think use middle finger. i mean it's like going back to gradeschool and counting numbers with your fingers. If you guys are gonna do this, i think you should do it right, cuz no matter the layout qwerty,dvork or some weird customer layout... numrow 1through0 will always be the same.

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« Reply #63 on: Fri, 28 October 2011, 05:41:47 »
Hot damn, color me interested. I will definitely need to save some cash up, but this might actually be worth it. Ill follow this thread, and check out layouts etc when im not at work^^. Tentatively put me down for 1.
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« Reply #64 on: Fri, 28 October 2011, 09:55:39 »
Semi interested if the cost is <300 for a kit without switches(I can source the switch myself). This Seems like an excellent candidate for 1 handed board, if the cable is on the left module.

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« Reply #65 on: Fri, 28 October 2011, 18:58:33 »
So I wanted to look at the number of people interested in this, so I added up everyone that looks like they may be in on one
Dox is the only one who said they want 2.
p means they are dependant on price,
? means they didn't specifically say they wanted one, but looked interested from their posts.
Parenteses indicate notes I took from their posts.

So I count ~6 or so who are interested regardless of anything.
If the cost is acceptable the number grows significantly to ~12
The total of all people who look interested is 19 ( or actually 20 sets of boards, and 19 sets of cases.)

So if we got 15-20 orders of this, what would the price look like? 'Cause if it means it'll be $250-$350, we'll get a LOT of interest.

ErgoDox Interest check Compilation:

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LIST MOVED TO SECOND POST: LOOK FOR IT THERE!!!
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Hope this helps!
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Edit: Oh, and is "ErgoDOX" a good name? I read it somewhere, and liked it.
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« Reply #66 on: Fri, 28 October 2011, 19:36:48 »
Let's do it! I want to solder something!

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« Reply #67 on: Fri, 28 October 2011, 20:00:16 »
Quote from: dorkvader;441469
Edit: Oh, and is "ErgoDOX" a good name? I read it somewhere, and liked it.

You read it here:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?22412-Truly-Ergonomic-Communication-Sept-27-2011&p=431524&viewfull=1#post431524

I'm quite interested, especially if the keyboard comes with all the parts (including red MX switches), and preferably assembled and working :-)
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« Reply #68 on: Fri, 28 October 2011, 20:26:53 »
none for me, i'm just giving feedback from my experience modding a similar layout and using  kinesis.

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« Reply #69 on: Fri, 28 October 2011, 20:30:19 »
Thanks Lanx, updated.

Also, Sordna, I thought it was you, but I didn't check.
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« Reply #70 on: Fri, 28 October 2011, 23:00:28 »
Quote from: dorkvader;441469
So I wanted to look at the number of people interested in this, so I added up everyone that looks like they may be in on one
Dox is the only one who said they want 2.
p means they are dependant on price,
? means they didn't specifically say they wanted one, but looked interested from their posts.
Parenteses indicate notes I took from their posts.

So I count ~6 or so who are interested regardless of anything.
If the cost is acceptable the number grows significantly to ~12
The total of all people who look interested is 19 ( or actually 20 sets of boards, and 19 sets of cases.)

So if we got 15-20 orders of this, what would the price look like? 'Cause if it means it'll be $250-$350, we'll get a LOT of interest.

ErgoDox Interest check Compilation:

01. Dox...................2
02. DorkVader.............1p (see above)
03. iWuzHere..............1p (Looks sweet)
04. demik.................1? (Looks Awesome, worried about soldering)
05. Lister................1 (Definately interested)
06. Sordna................1 (Looks GREAT!)
07.
08. Mazora................1? (dependant on layout)
09. Input Nirvana.........1? ("Possable Interest")
10. TheSoulHunter.........1p ($300 range)
11. Christoffer.Braathen..1 (ALL IN!!!)
12. Bretrex...............1 (Pcb only)
13. Karacho...............1 (I want one)
14. Quarzac...............1p (Interested, but worried about cost)
15. REVENGE...............1? (Fantastic Project)
16. Sleuth................1p (will see about cash)
17. Jim66.................1? (Will keep eye on thread)
18. Ascaii................1 (very interested)
19. Laffindude............1p (if under $300)

Hope this helps!
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Edit: Oh, and is "ErgoDOX" a good name? I read it somewhere, and liked it.

Thanks for the compilation, with something like 15-20 keyboards we could probably reach a price closer  to 300 than 400 but that is still very approximative.
ErgoDox is the name I came up with before I did the renders for the OP. As everything else, it's not final but I think it's not bad at all.

Quote from: litster;441489
Let's do it! I want to solder something!

That's what I want to hear!

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You read it here:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?22412-Truly-Ergonomic-Communication-Sept-27-2011&p=431524&viewfull=1#post431524

I'm quite interested, especially if the keyboard comes with all the parts (including red MX switches), and preferably assembled and working :-)

I don't have a source for red switches but I wouldn't mind doing the assembly/firmware customization for people that doesn't have soldering equipment or experience.

Quote from: Lanx;441531
none for me, i'm just giving feedback from my experience modding a similar layout and using  kinesis.

Your feedback is appreciated, thanks!
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« Reply #71 on: Fri, 28 October 2011, 23:36:45 »
red switches are very hard to get.  If you want red switches, you are better off buying and gutting a Poker or Leopold tenkeyless or some other cheaper red-switch keyboards.  It might not be a bad idea as I think you can resell the Leopold keycaps, especially that "special" spacebar :-).

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« Reply #72 on: Sat, 29 October 2011, 13:32:58 »
Quote from: litster;441613
red switches are very hard to get.  If you want red switches, you are better off buying and gutting a Poker or Leopold tenkeyless or some other cheaper red-switch keyboards.  It might not be a bad idea as I think you can resell the Leopold keycaps, especially that "special" spacebar :-).
It's not that special after SP gets production up for the 6-post "combined" spacebars.

Hmm, I count 64-72 Keys depending on thumb configuration, so that'd be 1500 or so keys for ~20 orders. You could maybe order from Cherry direct in quantities like that. Or $0.609/key from mouser:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Cherry-Electrical/MX1A-E1NW/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsqIr59i2oRcl0OtbIxCyKkAg8zsoDLHg0%3d

If it's any cheaper, I'd rather solder/assemble it myself.
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« Reply #73 on: Sun, 30 October 2011, 07:33:37 »
would these switches need those diodes? haven't ordered from mouser in a year, but i don't remember them offering or selling switches with diodes.

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« Reply #74 on: Sun, 30 October 2011, 10:42:56 »
I'd say since it is a DIY design, and diodes are so cheap, including them as part of the circuit is probably a good idea.

Lanx, some companies have the diodes on the board, and some put it in the switch. There is a spot for either an LED, or a normal diode on the cherry MX keyswitch.
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« Reply #75 on: Mon, 31 October 2011, 03:53:22 »
oh yea i've seen it where they line up those retangular diodes vertically.

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« Reply #76 on: Mon, 31 October 2011, 04:06:33 »
Quote from: sordna;440893
100% agree. All split matrix keyboards are consistent, Kinesis, Maltron, Typematrix, and even the TrulyErgonomic as well as the Fingerworks Touchstream (my photo below).
1 is above Q, 5 is above T, 6 is above Y, 0 is above P (assuming qwerty layout).

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Yeah, the old 89 Maltrons have this layout, but the new 90 series have the 2 above Q.



I'm going to say that I'm going to agree with you too; I think that this board should follow the split matrix convention and have 1 above the Q.

P.s., when we are talking 300-400; what currency is this? USD?
« Last Edit: Mon, 31 October 2011, 08:35:41 by Jim66 »

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« Reply #77 on: Mon, 31 October 2011, 13:38:44 »
I woukd like one, fully functionnal, i never solder anything ..., but without keycaps as i use either bépo or azerty
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« Reply #78 on: Mon, 31 October 2011, 16:28:15 »
Interested for under $300, capless. More or less curious about the final result as well.
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« Reply #79 on: Thu, 10 November 2011, 22:06:07 »
This is really cool, please let me join this project.

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« Reply #80 on: Sat, 12 November 2011, 15:23:35 »
I would *probably* be interested at $300 depending on the final design.

Please put me down on the list :)

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« Reply #81 on: Sat, 12 November 2011, 21:30:56 »
Quote from: eagleeye;450669
I would *probably* be interested at $300 depending on the final design.

Please put me down on the list :)
I'll add you now. :)

Also, putting list in my first post in this topic instead on random page in the middle
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Edit: added chef too. Sorry for missing you!

21 people so far and 22 or so potential interested.
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« Reply #82 on: Fri, 02 December 2011, 13:36:50 »
Note on the thumb keys:
Kinesis users will attest that the quantity of keys in the thumb cluster is a big plus. I have never heard of anyone unhappy with the quantity of thumb keys, and a couple wanted more. With my unscientific experiments, I have come to the conclusion that 2 additional keys per thumb could be added within the EXISTING 'range of thumb movement'. A 3rd key (low frequency) with a slight additional movement could be added. I may have a pic in my Kinesis Split Mod article...

Note on case design:
Being a Kinesis user I'm very in tune with this part....it seems to me that the case needs to be as minimal as possible where the butt of your palm would be -OR- larger with a palm rest "built in". Probably only Kinesis users will see this the way I do.

I'd like to hear some feedback on this.
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« Reply #83 on: Fri, 02 December 2011, 15:11:18 »
I'm interested if it's under $300.

More interested in lilster layout thou, prefer qwerty. looks like my ordered double shot from 7bit won't be as compatible as this awesome split type keyboard.

For cherry MX switch, i can supply you, if you're interested.

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« Reply #84 on: Fri, 02 December 2011, 15:39:08 »
Quote from: input nirvana;462947
Note on the thumb keys:
Kinesis users will attest that the quantity of keys in the thumb cluster is a big plus. I have never heard of anyone unhappy with the quantity of thumb keys, and a couple wanted more. With my unscientific experiments, I have come to the conclusion that 2 additional keys per thumb could be added within the EXISTING 'range of thumb movement'. A 3rd key (low frequency) with a slight additional movement could be added. I may have a pic in my Kinesis Split Mod article...

Note on case design:
Being a Kinesis user I'm very in tune with this part....it seems to me that the case needs to be as minimal as possible where the butt of your palm would be -OR- larger with a palm rest "built in". Probably only Kinesis users will see this the way I do.

I'd like to hear some feedback on this.
Could you indicate the location of the keys that you would like to add on my render, this sounds interesting.
I've been working a lot recently and I didn't had much time to put on this but I will continue as soon as I can. I want this to happen.
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« Reply #85 on: Fri, 02 December 2011, 22:48:00 »
Do we have any notion of what the real price will be yet, or what the time frame for completion is?  Is $400 still a good estimate?  And is that for just the case and PCB?

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« Reply #86 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 04:46:49 »
Wow!  I want one.  Please count me.

As a kinesis user, I'd prefer the extra thumb buttons.
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« Reply #87 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 05:15:43 »
Would it be possible to add holes to screw in 'legs'?

Saw a photo a long while back showing a metal keyboard that had holes to screw in some pegs (these had a threaded metal shaft and a rubber base).  If there's two or three holes in line, then the user can choose the hole to control the tent.

Just an idea, sadly it adds a bit to the cost.
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« Reply #89 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 11:12:56 »
Quote from: hoggy;463281
Would it be possible to add holes to screw in 'legs'?

Saw a photo a long while back showing a metal keyboard that had holes to screw in some pegs (these had a threaded metal shaft and a rubber base).  If there's two or three holes in line, then the user can choose the hole to control the tent.

Just an idea, sadly it adds a bit to the cost.

Sounds easy enough to DIY. I didn't bother mentioning preferences about angling/tenting because as long as the keyboard halves are compact and flat, you can easily prop and tent them any way you want by carving a piece or foam to use as a base, or cutting and gluing wine corks as pegs, or even building inclines from cardboard :-)
But yes, it's a good idea to have holes in the case bottom, but that's easy enough to drill ourselves too if it ends up adding more cost.
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« Reply #90 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 12:53:02 »
Quote from: cyclonechuah;462999
I'm interested if it's under $300.

More interested in lilster layout thou, prefer qwerty. looks like my ordered double shot from 7bit won't be as compatible as this awesome split type keyboard.

For cherry MX switch, i can supply you, if you're interested.
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« Reply #91 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 13:23:43 »
Could you add me to the list, please?
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« Reply #92 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 15:13:43 »
It is so awesome that we have so many keyboard projects going on here.  Really look forward to this one.

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« Reply #93 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 15:50:04 »
Add me on the list please.
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[Interest Check] Custom split ergo keyboard.
« Reply #94 on: Sun, 04 December 2011, 03:09:29 »
I would be interested, but it looks like the keyboard was designed without thought for the functionality. there isnt even enough keys for all of the standard keys on a keyboard. heres my thoughts: you need to have all of the standard keys exactly where you would expect to find them. i would put space on both sides on thumb keys, and the second thumb key could be CTRL on the left and ALT on the right. the row on the bottom needs another key (underneith the shift keys on both sides) so that the bottom row can be F1 through F12. the thick vertical keys (on the inside of the setup) should be split up to make sure you have enough keys for every standard key to be where it should be in a qewrty layout. i personally would ditch anything (besides numbers) that can be on a number pad, such as home, page up, page down, end, and the arrow keys. maybe the escape key should be split up to fit the tilde next to it. plus, it could then work with novelty escape keys. (or you could move the esc key up to where it says ergodox, and put ergodox next to the lights on the right hand pad. i think that would look cool.

all in all, i love the idea, but i think it needs a major rework before i would commit money to the end product.

Offline Dox

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[Interest Check] Custom split ergo keyboard.
« Reply #95 on: Sun, 04 December 2011, 03:33:16 »
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I would be interested, but it looks like the keyboard was designed without thought for the functionality. there isnt even enough keys for all of the standard keys on a keyboard. heres my thoughts: you need to have all of the standard keys exactly where you would expect to find them. i would put space on both sides on thumb keys, and the second thumb key could be CTRL on the left and ALT on the right. the row on the bottom needs another key (underneith the shift keys on both sides) so that the bottom row can be F1 through F12. the thick vertical keys (on the inside of the setup) should be split up to make sure you have enough keys for every standard key to be where it should be in a qewrty layout. i personally would ditch anything (besides numbers) that can be on a number pad, such as home, page up, page down, end, and the arrow keys. maybe the escape key should be split up to fit the tilde next to it. plus, it could then work with novelty escape keys. (or you could move the esc key up to where it says ergodox, and put ergodox next to the lights on the right hand pad. i think that would look cool.

all in all, i love the idea, but i think it needs a major rework before i would commit money to the end product.
Then, you will have to make your own because I don't agree with the majority of your points. Thanks for your impressions.
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[Interest Check] Custom split ergo keyboard.
« Reply #96 on: Sun, 04 December 2011, 06:07:24 »
Wow, how could I have overlooked thuis thread until now ? I am absolutely interested if the price doesnt exceed 300 usd by too much. It will be fully programmable, right?

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[Interest Check] Custom split ergo keyboard.
« Reply #97 on: Sun, 04 December 2011, 06:50:35 »
Indeed :-)

The more specific you are the less orders you'll get...
The 68 keys layout is not my favorite, but such a small ergo keyboard is pure temptation.
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[Interest Check] Custom split ergo keyboard.
« Reply #98 on: Mon, 05 December 2011, 13:04:32 »
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Wow, how could I have overlooked thuis thread until now ? I am absolutely interested if the price doesnt exceed 300 usd by too much. It will be fully programmable, right?
Adding you now. Glad you're interested. :p

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Add me on the list please.
for everything (the switches i may get them from the group buy).
Adding you as well.

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For the record I am not interested.
Added.

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Dox, any ideas what the cost would be if we had ~25 orders or so? I imagine the machining costs wolud be lower/person than if there was only 5 or so.
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[Interest Check] Custom split ergo keyboard.
« Reply #99 on: Sun, 11 December 2011, 17:34:57 »
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It is so awesome that we have so many keyboard projects going on here.  Really look forward to this one.

Can you mention some other custom projects on here? I found this one and the Phantom only.

I'm interested in designing a custom ergonomic ANSI based board, and I'm looking for learning and/or collaborators on the project before I really dive into it.

Thanks,