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Interesting Layouts
« on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 13:15:28 »
A place to put interesting layouts and ideas

endgame layouts

suggestions

brainstorming.

post a pic and your KLE link.

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I hope that some of these ideas inspire the community.
I wanted to share some ideas i have been tinkering with in hopes the community benefits.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
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Re: Interesting Layouts
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 13:51:00 »
Truefox layout with F row and numpad. Whitewolf? Idk
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 14:02:25 »
Truefox layout with F row and numpad. Whitewolf? Idk
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http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/868c7f960a3f5c84af9dd8dd8e777f6b

really cool, is this for left handed people? ive always wondered about the Left side number cluster. i like it tho would be cool to try out :thumb:
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 14:08:43 »
I actually just like the idea of having the keyboard closest to the mouse and having the numpad off to the side (for right handers). I'm planning on making an aluminum Minivan type build soon and might do a little numpad/function pad to put on the left. Maybe build the one I posted here after that!

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 14:21:47 »
I actually just like the idea of having the keyboard closest to the mouse and having the numpad off to the side (for right handers). I'm planning on making an aluminum Minivan type build soon and might do a little numpad/function pad to put on the left. Maybe build the one I posted here after that!

awesome man. i'm really starting to dig the accessory style keyboards. i have already started my Matrix Pad build and PCB but i may build more accessory boards in different sizes and such.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 14:43:13 »
Similar layout, though no need for special shift and trimmed sum keys. Could easily program numpad for FN keys/macros/etc. and assign a toggle layer. Could omit some blue keys for LED indicators.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 14:56:55 »
I actually just like the idea of having the keyboard closest to the mouse and having the numpad off to the side (for right handers). I'm planning on making an aluminum Minivan type build soon and might do a little numpad/function pad to put on the left. Maybe build the one I posted here after that!

awesome man. i'm really starting to dig the accessory style keyboards. i have already started my Matrix Pad build and PCB but i may build more accessory boards in different sizes and such.

Where do you get your stuff made? I've only ever used acrylic and used Ponoko for that. I'm considering BigBlueSaw or Lasergist for the aluminum this time.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 14:58:11 »
I actually just like the idea of having the keyboard closest to the mouse and having the numpad off to the side (for right handers). I'm planning on making an aluminum Minivan type build soon and might do a little numpad/function pad to put on the left. Maybe build the one I posted here after that!

awesome man. i'm really starting to dig the accessory style keyboards. i have already started my Matrix Pad build and PCB but i may build more accessory boards in different sizes and such.

Where do you get your stuff made? I've only ever used acrylic and used Ponoko for that. I'm considering BigBlueSaw or Lasergist for the aluminum this time.

i have my own hobby CNC so i fabricate things myself. (also for hire)
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 15:12:44 »
I actually just like the idea of having the keyboard closest to the mouse and having the numpad off to the side (for right handers). I'm planning on making an aluminum Minivan type build soon and might do a little numpad/function pad to put on the left. Maybe build the one I posted here after that!

awesome man. i'm really starting to dig the accessory style keyboards. i have already started my Matrix Pad build and PCB but i may build more accessory boards in different sizes and such.

Where do you get your stuff made? I've only ever used acrylic and used Ponoko for that. I'm considering BigBlueSaw or Lasergist for the aluminum this time.

i have my own hobby CNC so i fabricate things myself. (also for hire)

Mind if I PM you? Get a quote on a few things I'm working on?

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 15:13:52 »
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I actually just like the idea of having the keyboard closest to the mouse and having the numpad off to the side (for right handers). I'm planning on making an aluminum Minivan type build soon and might do a little numpad/function pad to put on the left. Maybe build the one I posted here after that!

awesome man. i'm really starting to dig the accessory style keyboards. i have already started my Matrix Pad build and PCB but i may build more accessory boards in different sizes and such.

Where do you get your stuff made? I've only ever used acrylic and used Ponoko for that. I'm considering BigBlueSaw or Lasergist for the aluminum this time.

i have my own hobby CNC so i fabricate things myself. (also for hire)
Mind if I PM you? Get a quote on a few things I'm working on?
[/quote] please do
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 15:15:41 »
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I actually just like the idea of having the keyboard closest to the mouse and having the numpad off to the side (for right handers). I'm planning on making an aluminum Minivan type build soon and might do a little numpad/function pad to put on the left. Maybe build the one I posted here after that!

awesome man. i'm really starting to dig the accessory style keyboards. i have already started my Matrix Pad build and PCB but i may build more accessory boards in different sizes and such.

Where do you get your stuff made? I've only ever used acrylic and used Ponoko for that. I'm considering BigBlueSaw or Lasergist for the aluminum this time.

i have my own hobby CNC so i fabricate things myself. (also for hire)
Mind if I PM you? Get a quote on a few things I'm working on?
please do
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Awesome! I'm at work so I'll PM later tonight

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 17:39:03 »
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I actually just like the idea of having the keyboard closest to the mouse and having the numpad off to the side (for right handers). I'm planning on making an aluminum Minivan type build soon and might do a little numpad/function pad to put on the left. Maybe build the one I posted here after that!

awesome man. i'm really starting to dig the accessory style keyboards. i have already started my Matrix Pad build and PCB but i may build more accessory boards in different sizes and such.

Where do you get your stuff made? I've only ever used acrylic and used Ponoko for that. I'm considering BigBlueSaw or Lasergist for the aluminum this time.

i have my own hobby CNC so i fabricate things myself. (also for hire)
Mind if I PM you? Get a quote on a few things I'm working on?
please do

Awesome! I'm at work so I'll PM later tonight
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 23:58:51 »
I recently bought a Tipro 128 along with some POS caps to play around with. In doing so, I think I have settled on a nice portable layout.
In fact, a hand-wired, walnut keyboard may be in the works to compliment DSA Royal Navy. I really want a Nantucket Fugu to go with.



It may seem a bit cramped, but placing the numpad in the middle makes it very comfortable and its only 1u wider than a 60%.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 06:48:37 »
I recently bought a Tipro 128 along with some POS caps to play around with. In doing so, I think I have settled on a nice portable layout.
In fact, a hand-wired, walnut keyboard may be in the works to compliment DSA Royal Navy. I really want a Nantucket Fugu to go with.

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It may seem a bit cramped, but placing the numpad in the middle makes it very comfortable and its only 1u wider than a 60%.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 08:24:43 »
That layout is actually pretty awesome!

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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 08:55:11 »
idk how i just found this but i want to have its babies  :eek:

http://kb.sized.io/

i do quite afew hand wired boards and boy did my life just get a pile easier
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 10:48:29 »
Stardust

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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 16:02:10 »
Stardust

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wow!

is this supposed to be 2 pieces or just one big one?

all those keys  :thumb:
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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 16:08:04 »
Stardust

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wow!

is this supposed to be 2 pieces or just one big one?

all those keys  :thumb:

Theoretically, the Stardust would be two halves controlled by two usb cords and two Teensys :confused: I like lots of keys hehe

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 16:11:06 »
Stardust

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wow!

is this supposed to be 2 pieces or just one big one?

all those keys  :thumb:

Theoretically, the Stardust would be two halves controlled by two usb cords and two Teensys :confused: I like lots of keys hehe

haha nice. yeah i like dedicated keys too but i'm moving towards accessory keyboards.
i'm probably going to build myself a nice 60% and do afew daughter keyboards to satisfy my key fetish. i'm working on a 9 key right now and the matrix pad. hopefully do PCB's for both depending on afew factors. i kind of want to try an ortho but im not sure i want to build one just to test it. guess i could build one and if i dont like it sell it. *shrug*
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 16:14:17 »
Stardust

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wow!

is this supposed to be 2 pieces or just one big one?

all those keys  :thumb:

Theoretically, the Stardust would be two halves controlled by two usb cords and two Teensys :confused: I like lots of keys hehe

haha nice. yeah i like dedicated keys too but i'm moving towards accessory keyboards.
i'm probably going to build myself a nice 60% and do afew daughter keyboards to satisfy my key fetish. i'm working on a 9 key right now and the matrix pad. hopefully do PCB's for both depending on afew factors. i kind of want to try an ortho but im not sure i want to build one just to test it. guess i could build one and if i dont like it sell it. *shrug*

That's what I'm planning with mine. Built a Planck but can't really get used to that Ortho layout. At least it was fun to build though!

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 16:15:47 »
Stardust

(Attachment Link)

wow!

is this supposed to be 2 pieces or just one big one?

all those keys  :thumb:

Theoretically, the Stardust would be two halves controlled by two usb cords and two Teensys :confused: I like lots of keys hehe

haha nice. yeah i like dedicated keys too but i'm moving towards accessory keyboards.
i'm probably going to build myself a nice 60% and do afew daughter keyboards to satisfy my key fetish. i'm working on a 9 key right now and the matrix pad. hopefully do PCB's for both depending on afew factors. i kind of want to try an ortho but im not sure i want to build one just to test it. guess i could build one and if i dont like it sell it. *shrug*

Same here about ortho; I'll have to buy a Planck and maybe Ergodox before I decide to prototype that board haha. Designing is a lot of fun for sure

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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 16:18:56 »
if i had the teensy's and the caps i'd have already built a pile of these already. you guys are a bad influence on me. i should have never started this tread.  :p :))
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« Reply #30 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 16:25:02 »
if i had the teensy's and the caps i'd have already built a pile of these already. you guys are a bad influence on me. i should have never started this tread.  :p :))

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« Reply #31 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 20:00:33 »
is it too much to ask to just make some cool stuff. le sigh. when i hit the lottery...
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 03 August 2016, 15:13:09 »
Interesting numpad on the 40 long !

And here is my try on the central numpads :

5x15 central numpad matrix



5x15 central numpad staggered
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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 04 August 2016, 08:29:47 »
Interesting numpad on the 40 long !

And here is my try on the central numpads :

5x15 central numpad matrix
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5x15 central numpad staggered
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Wow I don't think I'd ever get used to this. lol.

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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 04 August 2016, 11:11:34 »
Wow I don't think I'd ever get used to this. lol.

Don't tempt me !
I just might make layout you truely could never get used too ;-)

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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 04 August 2016, 14:02:09 »
Wow I don't think I'd ever get used to this. lol.

Don't tempt me !
I just might make layout you truely could never get used too ;-)

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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 04 August 2016, 16:49:14 »
Mirroring! Muahahahah! ehe-hahahahehe-ehe

In any case I belive that with time you can get used to almost any layout.
What is horrible I think is having to use different layouts in parallel.
Like if you had a programmer dvorak at home, a qwerty at work and a colemak at your parents !

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« Reply #38 on: Fri, 05 August 2016, 09:25:19 »
This layout is really soothing... I'll call it staggered OCD http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/5c1584b11db7fc838bb1ac858be65933

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« Reply #42 on: Sat, 06 August 2016, 09:55:52 »
30% for mobile phone/tablet/basic
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Working my way through them. Going to need a pile of teensys lol

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« Reply #43 on: Sat, 06 August 2016, 10:30:07 »
30% for mobile phone/tablet/basic
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Working my way through them. Going to need a pile of teensys lol

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Nice!

I spy a blue ALLSOP mouse pad; I haven't seen one of those in a few years ;)

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« Reply #44 on: Sat, 06 August 2016, 10:31:14 »
30% for mobile phone/tablet/basic
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Working my way through them. Going to need a pile of teensys lol

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Nice!

I spy a blue ALLSOP mouse pad; I haven't seen one of those in a few years ;)
Hehe thanks

One of these days I'm going to get a big mat but I picked that thing up for 5$ and it works good

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« Reply #45 on: Sat, 06 August 2016, 10:33:45 »
30% for mobile phone/tablet/basic

I guess the appropriate response is KAWAII.
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« Reply #46 on: Sat, 06 August 2016, 10:34:54 »
30% for mobile phone/tablet/basic

I guess the appropriate response is KAWAII.
 
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« Reply #47 on: Sat, 06 August 2016, 19:53:17 »
30% for mobile phone/tablet/basic

I guess the appropriate response is KAWAII.
 
Yes very much kawaii

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 06 August 2016, 21:08:06 »
30% for mobile phone/tablet/basic

I guess the appropriate response is KAWAII.
 
Yes very much kawaii

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That looks awesome, especially with the custom case.
Good skills!

I really need to get myself a CNC mill...

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #49 on: Sat, 06 August 2016, 22:12:34 »
30% for mobile phone/tablet/basic

I guess the appropriate response is KAWAII.
 
Yes very much kawaii

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sent from my chess board

That looks awesome, especially with the custom case.
Good skills!

I really need to get myself a CNC mill...

haha thanks man. yeah the CNC is awesome. love making stuff.
its cool to go from idea to reality in afew hours
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 06 August 2016, 23:42:17 »
I really love sub-60% keyboards for their split space bars and near-perfect layouts, but I use the number keys so much, I can't go less than 60% without a drop in productivity.  That's why I designed (with help from the geekhack community) this 60% with a 1.5u vertical function key and a SpaceFn function layer.  If I had the knowledge and tools to design a PCB, I would have made this by now.  I could hand wire it, but I'm dependent on Swill's plate builder to design the case and it's such a chore to use LibreCAD to make even the simple modifications I want to make to the case design that the plate builder produces.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/0ce9164b4bbb0cf9f7228ecc3f3fcd4f
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I'm interested in MOZ's TS-65 and Skullydazed's Clueboard because they allow me to achieve something very close to my layout, but they both have an extra column of keys that I could do without.

Here's the JSON for my layout choice for the TS-65:
["~\n`", "!\n1", "@\n2", "#\n3", "$\n4", "%\n5", "^\n6", {"x": 1}, "&\n7", "*\n8", "(\n9", ")\n0", "_\n-", "+\n=", {"c": "#777777"}, "Ins", "Del", "Home"],
[{"w": 1.5},"Tab",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Q","W","E","R","T",{"x": 1},"Y","U","I","O","P","{\n[","}\n]",{"w": 1.5},"|\n\\",{"c": "#777777"},"End"],
[{"w": 1.75},"Ctrl",{"c": "#cccccc"},"A","S","D","F","G",{"x": 1},"H","J","K","L",":\n;","\"\n'",{"c": "#777777","w": 2.25},"Enter","Page\n\n\n\n\n\nUp"],
[{"w": 2.25},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Z","X","C","V","B",{"x": 1},"N","M","<\n,",">\n.","?\n/",{"c": "#777777","w": 1.75},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 9},"&uarr;",{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"f": 3},"Page\n\n\n\n\n\nDn"],
[{"w": 1.25},"Esc",{"w": 1.25},"Win",{"w": 1.25},"Alt",{"x": 2.5},"Fun",{"x": 1,"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"w": 2},"",{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"w": 1.25},"Alt",{"w": 1.25},"Menu",{"w": 1.25}, "Ctrl", {"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 9},"&larr;","&darr;","&rarr;"],
[{"rx": 0.25,"y": 4,"x": 3.75,"a": 4,"f": 3, "w": 2.25},"Backspace"]
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Here's the JSON for my layout choice for the Clueboard:
["~\n`","!\n1","@\n2","#\n3","$\n4","%\n5","^\n6","&\n7","*\n8","(\n9", ")\n0",    "_\n-","+\n=",{"c": "#777777"},"Home","End",{"x": 0.5},"Page\n\n\n\n\n\nUp"],
[{"w": 1.5},"Tab",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Q","W","E","R","T","Y","U","I","O","P","{\n[","}\n]",{"w": 1.5},"|\n\\",{"x": 0.5,"c": "#777777"},"Page\n\n\n\n\n\nDown"],
[{"w": 1.75},"Ctrl",{"c": "#cccccc"},"A","S","D","F","G","H","J","K","L",":\n;","\"\n'",{"c": "#777777","w": 2.25},"Enter"],
[{"w": 2.25},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Z","X","C","V","B","N","M","<\n,",">\n.","?\n/",{"c": "#777777","w": 2.25},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 7},"&uarr;"],
[{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"f": 3,"w": 1.25},"Esc","Win",{"w": 1.25},"Alt",{"w": 1.25},"しません\n\n\n\n\n\n無変換",{"c": "#cccccc","w": 2},"Backspace",
{"a": 7,"w": 2},"",{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"w": 1.25},"しません\n\n\n\n\n\n変換",{"w": 1.25},"Alt","Fun",{"w": 1.25},"Ctrl",{"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 7},"&larr;","&darr;","&rarr;"]
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I may still buy a Clueboard when aluminum plates for the FC660M are back in stock.


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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 07 August 2016, 00:24:21 »
I really love sub-60% keyboards for their split space bars and near-perfect layouts, but I use the number keys so much, I can't go less than 60% without a drop in productivity.  That's why I designed (with help from the geekhack community) this 60% with a 1.5u vertical function key and a SpaceFn function layer.  If I had the knowledge and tools to design a PCB, I would have made this by now.  I could hand wire it, but I'm dependent on Swill's plate builder to design the case and it's such a chore to use LibreCAD to make even the simple modifications I want to make to the case design that the plate builder produces.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/0ce9164b4bbb0cf9f7228ecc3f3fcd4f
(Attachment Link)

I'm interested in MOZ's TS-65 and Skullydazed's Clueboard because they allow me to achieve something very close to my layout, but they both have an extra column of keys that I could do without.

Here's the JSON for my layout choice for the TS-65:
["~\n`", "!\n1", "@\n2", "#\n3", "$\n4", "%\n5", "^\n6", {"x": 1}, "&\n7", "*\n8", "(\n9", ")\n0", "_\n-", "+\n=", {"c": "#777777"}, "Ins", "Del", "Home"],
[{"w": 1.5},"Tab",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Q","W","E","R","T",{"x": 1},"Y","U","I","O","P","{\n[","}\n]",{"w": 1.5},"|\n\\",{"c": "#777777"},"End"],
[{"w": 1.75},"Ctrl",{"c": "#cccccc"},"A","S","D","F","G",{"x": 1},"H","J","K","L",":\n;","\"\n'",{"c": "#777777","w": 2.25},"Enter","Page\n\n\n\n\n\nUp"],
[{"w": 2.25},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Z","X","C","V","B",{"x": 1},"N","M","<\n,",">\n.","?\n/",{"c": "#777777","w": 1.75},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 9},"&uarr;",{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"f": 3},"Page\n\n\n\n\n\nDn"],
[{"w": 1.25},"Esc",{"w": 1.25},"Win",{"w": 1.25},"Alt",{"x": 2.5},"Fun",{"x": 1,"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"w": 2},"",{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"w": 1.25},"Alt",{"w": 1.25},"Menu",{"w": 1.25}, "Ctrl", {"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 9},"&larr;","&darr;","&rarr;"],
[{"rx": 0.25,"y": 4,"x": 3.75,"a": 4,"f": 3, "w": 2.25},"Backspace"]
(Attachment Link)

Here's the JSON for my layout choice for the Clueboard:
["~\n`","!\n1","@\n2","#\n3","$\n4","%\n5","^\n6","&\n7","*\n8","(\n9", ")\n0",    "_\n-","+\n=",{"c": "#777777"},"Home","End",{"x": 0.5},"Page\n\n\n\n\n\nUp"],
[{"w": 1.5},"Tab",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Q","W","E","R","T","Y","U","I","O","P","{\n[","}\n]",{"w": 1.5},"|\n\\",{"x": 0.5,"c": "#777777"},"Page\n\n\n\n\n\nDown"],
[{"w": 1.75},"Ctrl",{"c": "#cccccc"},"A","S","D","F","G","H","J","K","L",":\n;","\"\n'",{"c": "#777777","w": 2.25},"Enter"],
[{"w": 2.25},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Z","X","C","V","B","N","M","<\n,",">\n.","?\n/",{"c": "#777777","w": 2.25},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 7},"&uarr;"],
[{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"f": 3,"w": 1.25},"Esc","Win",{"w": 1.25},"Alt",{"w": 1.25},"しません\n\n\n\n\n\n無変換",{"c": "#cccccc","w": 2},"Backspace",
{"a": 7,"w": 2},"",{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"w": 1.25},"しません\n\n\n\n\n\n変換",{"w": 1.25},"Alt","Fun",{"w": 1.25},"Ctrl",{"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 7},"&larr;","&darr;","&rarr;"]
(Attachment Link)

I may still buy a Clueboard when aluminum plates for the FC660M are back in stock.
i'm with you on the TS-65
i have a design that is very similar to yours as well called the hackdura (previously known as ultrahack) its similar to quite afew other designs around the 60% family. seems everyone really likes the 60% but also likes to add about 5 more keys to one side and split the space bar xD

good stuff here tho!  :thumb:
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 07 August 2016, 06:43:24 »
haha thanks man. yeah the CNC is awesome. love making stuff.
its cool to go from idea to reality in afew hours

I'm seriously considering one of these Stepcraft machines:
https://stepcraft.us/product/stepcraft-2600-desktop-cnc-system/

It *seems* like a good deal, but I'm still researching options and going through the training vids to see what it's all about.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 07 August 2016, 10:25:29 »
haha thanks man. yeah the CNC is awesome. love making stuff.
its cool to go from idea to reality in afew hours

I'm seriously considering one of these Stepcraft machines:
https://stepcraft.us/product/stepcraft-2600-desktop-cnc-system/

It *seems* like a good deal, but I'm still researching options and going through the training vids to see what it's all about.
Get a Shapoko or an open builders cbeam machine.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 08 August 2016, 18:51:13 »
I really love sub-60% keyboards for their split space bars and near-perfect layouts, but I use the number keys so much, I can't go less than 60% without a drop in productivity.  That's why I designed (with help from the geekhack community) this 60% with a 1.5u vertical function key and a SpaceFn function layer.  If I had the knowledge and tools to design a PCB, I would have made this by now.  I could hand wire it, but I'm dependent on Swill's plate builder to design the case and it's such a chore to use LibreCAD to make even the simple modifications I want to make to the case design that the plate builder produces.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/0ce9164b4bbb0cf9f7228ecc3f3fcd4f
(Attachment Link)

I'm interested in MOZ's TS-65 and Skullydazed's Clueboard because they allow me to achieve something very close to my layout, but they both have an extra column of keys that I could do without.

Here's the JSON for my layout choice for the TS-65:
["~\n`", "!\n1", "@\n2", "#\n3", "$\n4", "%\n5", "^\n6", {"x": 1}, "&\n7", "*\n8", "(\n9", ")\n0", "_\n-", "+\n=", {"c": "#777777"}, "Ins", "Del", "Home"],
[{"w": 1.5},"Tab",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Q","W","E","R","T",{"x": 1},"Y","U","I","O","P","{\n[","}\n]",{"w": 1.5},"|\n\\",{"c": "#777777"},"End"],
[{"w": 1.75},"Ctrl",{"c": "#cccccc"},"A","S","D","F","G",{"x": 1},"H","J","K","L",":\n;","\"\n'",{"c": "#777777","w": 2.25},"Enter","Page\n\n\n\n\n\nUp"],
[{"w": 2.25},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Z","X","C","V","B",{"x": 1},"N","M","<\n,",">\n.","?\n/",{"c": "#777777","w": 1.75},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 9},"&uarr;",{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"f": 3},"Page\n\n\n\n\n\nDn"],
[{"w": 1.25},"Esc",{"w": 1.25},"Win",{"w": 1.25},"Alt",{"x": 2.5},"Fun",{"x": 1,"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"w": 2},"",{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"w": 1.25},"Alt",{"w": 1.25},"Menu",{"w": 1.25}, "Ctrl", {"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 9},"&larr;","&darr;","&rarr;"],
[{"rx": 0.25,"y": 4,"x": 3.75,"a": 4,"f": 3, "w": 2.25},"Backspace"]
(Attachment Link)

Here's the JSON for my layout choice for the Clueboard:
["~\n`","!\n1","@\n2","#\n3","$\n4","%\n5","^\n6","&\n7","*\n8","(\n9", ")\n0",    "_\n-","+\n=",{"c": "#777777"},"Home","End",{"x": 0.5},"Page\n\n\n\n\n\nUp"],
[{"w": 1.5},"Tab",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Q","W","E","R","T","Y","U","I","O","P","{\n[","}\n]",{"w": 1.5},"|\n\\",{"x": 0.5,"c": "#777777"},"Page\n\n\n\n\n\nDown"],
[{"w": 1.75},"Ctrl",{"c": "#cccccc"},"A","S","D","F","G","H","J","K","L",":\n;","\"\n'",{"c": "#777777","w": 2.25},"Enter"],
[{"w": 2.25},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Z","X","C","V","B","N","M","<\n,",">\n.","?\n/",{"c": "#777777","w": 2.25},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 7},"&uarr;"],
[{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"f": 3,"w": 1.25},"Esc","Win",{"w": 1.25},"Alt",{"w": 1.25},"しません\n\n\n\n\n\n無変換",{"c": "#cccccc","w": 2},"Backspace",
{"a": 7,"w": 2},"",{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"w": 1.25},"しません\n\n\n\n\n\n変換",{"w": 1.25},"Alt","Fun",{"w": 1.25},"Ctrl",{"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 7},"&larr;","&darr;","&rarr;"]
(Attachment Link)

I may still buy a Clueboard when aluminum plates for the FC660M are back in stock.
i'm with you on the TS-65
i have a design that is very similar to yours as well called the hackdura (previously known as ultrahack) its similar to quite afew other designs around the 60% family. seems everyone really likes the 60% but also likes to add about 5 more keys to one side and split the space bar xD

good stuff here tho!  :thumb:

I like the Hackdura.  My initial reaction was to dismiss it because of the non-staggered number row.  Then I decided to practice typing between the keys on the number row and I think that design has merit.  Typing numbers seemed to be easier on the pinky, ring, and middle finger.  Typing numbers with the index finger was tiring and awkward almost right away.  I don't know if that would improve with practice, or if my physiology is not suited to that layout.  But typing anything on the number row with my right pinky is a gamble, and the Hackdura appears to eliminate that issue for me.  Also, I saw your 35% build and it has inspired me to go ahead and build my 60% board.  I have a router.  Building a jig to cut a wood case should be the most difficult part of building my keyboard.  Swill's already taken care of the plate design.  All I have to do is use the plate builder to make the plate, instead of the whole case, then maybe tweak the bottom edge in LibreCAD.  I can drill mounting holes in the plate and case myself. 

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 08 August 2016, 18:53:45 »
I really love sub-60% keyboards for their split space bars and near-perfect layouts, but I use the number keys so much, I can't go less than 60% without a drop in productivity.  That's why I designed (with help from the geekhack community) this 60% with a 1.5u vertical function key and a SpaceFn function layer.  If I had the knowledge and tools to design a PCB, I would have made this by now.  I could hand wire it, but I'm dependent on Swill's plate builder to design the case and it's such a chore to use LibreCAD to make even the simple modifications I want to make to the case design that the plate builder produces.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/0ce9164b4bbb0cf9f7228ecc3f3fcd4f
(Attachment Link)

I'm interested in MOZ's TS-65 and Skullydazed's Clueboard because they allow me to achieve something very close to my layout, but they both have an extra column of keys that I could do without.

Here's the JSON for my layout choice for the TS-65:
["~\n`", "!\n1", "@\n2", "#\n3", "$\n4", "%\n5", "^\n6", {"x": 1}, "&\n7", "*\n8", "(\n9", ")\n0", "_\n-", "+\n=", {"c": "#777777"}, "Ins", "Del", "Home"],
[{"w": 1.5},"Tab",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Q","W","E","R","T",{"x": 1},"Y","U","I","O","P","{\n[","}\n]",{"w": 1.5},"|\n\\",{"c": "#777777"},"End"],
[{"w": 1.75},"Ctrl",{"c": "#cccccc"},"A","S","D","F","G",{"x": 1},"H","J","K","L",":\n;","\"\n'",{"c": "#777777","w": 2.25},"Enter","Page\n\n\n\n\n\nUp"],
[{"w": 2.25},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Z","X","C","V","B",{"x": 1},"N","M","<\n,",">\n.","?\n/",{"c": "#777777","w": 1.75},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 9},"&uarr;",{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"f": 3},"Page\n\n\n\n\n\nDn"],
[{"w": 1.25},"Esc",{"w": 1.25},"Win",{"w": 1.25},"Alt",{"x": 2.5},"Fun",{"x": 1,"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"w": 2},"",{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"w": 1.25},"Alt",{"w": 1.25},"Menu",{"w": 1.25}, "Ctrl", {"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 9},"&larr;","&darr;","&rarr;"],
[{"rx": 0.25,"y": 4,"x": 3.75,"a": 4,"f": 3, "w": 2.25},"Backspace"]
(Attachment Link)

Here's the JSON for my layout choice for the Clueboard:
["~\n`","!\n1","@\n2","#\n3","$\n4","%\n5","^\n6","&\n7","*\n8","(\n9", ")\n0",    "_\n-","+\n=",{"c": "#777777"},"Home","End",{"x": 0.5},"Page\n\n\n\n\n\nUp"],
[{"w": 1.5},"Tab",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Q","W","E","R","T","Y","U","I","O","P","{\n[","}\n]",{"w": 1.5},"|\n\\",{"x": 0.5,"c": "#777777"},"Page\n\n\n\n\n\nDown"],
[{"w": 1.75},"Ctrl",{"c": "#cccccc"},"A","S","D","F","G","H","J","K","L",":\n;","\"\n'",{"c": "#777777","w": 2.25},"Enter"],
[{"w": 2.25},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc"},"Z","X","C","V","B","N","M","<\n,",">\n.","?\n/",{"c": "#777777","w": 2.25},"Shift",{"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 7},"&uarr;"],
[{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"f": 3,"w": 1.25},"Esc","Win",{"w": 1.25},"Alt",{"w": 1.25},"しません\n\n\n\n\n\n無変換",{"c": "#cccccc","w": 2},"Backspace",
{"a": 7,"w": 2},"",{"c": "#777777","a": 4,"w": 1.25},"しません\n\n\n\n\n\n変換",{"w": 1.25},"Alt","Fun",{"w": 1.25},"Ctrl",{"c": "#cccccc","a": 7,"f": 7},"&larr;","&darr;","&rarr;"]
(Attachment Link)

I may still buy a Clueboard when aluminum plates for the FC660M are back in stock.
i'm with you on the TS-65
i have a design that is very similar to yours as well called the hackdura (previously known as ultrahack) its similar to quite afew other designs around the 60% family. seems everyone really likes the 60% but also likes to add about 5 more keys to one side and split the space bar xD

good stuff here tho!  :thumb:

I like the Hackdura.  My initial reaction was to dismiss it because of the non-staggered number row.  Then I decided to practice typing between the keys on the number row and I think that design has merit.  Typing numbers seemed to be easier on the pinky, ring, and middle finger.  Typing numbers with the index finger was tiring and awkward almost right away.  I don't know if that would improve with practice, or if my physiology is not suited to that layout.  But typing anything on the number row with my right pinky is a gamble, and the Hackdura appears to eliminate that issue for me.  Also, I saw your 35% build and it has inspired me to go ahead and build my 60% board.  I have a router.  Building a jig to cut a wood case should be the most difficult part of building my keyboard.  Swill's already taken care of the plate design.  All I have to do is use the plate builder to make the plate, instead of the whole case, then maybe tweak the bottom edge in LibreCAD.  I can drill mounting holes in the plate and case myself.

sounds like your well on your way! if you want some help perhaps we can work something out ive been wanting a hackdura myself. PM me
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 11 August 2016, 08:31:36 »
i would like to premise this next layout as "I am a raging lunatic"
Symbolic Lisp and Space cadet had a baby with the IBM and i call it the Astronaut. this would be a battle station. and im really considering making it one day. 

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and yes the top double F row would be raised and angled like the IBM boards usually are.

yes its full of useless keys that would likely never be used. but who cares. its massive and would scare people away from my desk.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 11 August 2016, 08:42:32 »
i would like to premise this next layout as "I am a raging lunatic"
Symbolic Lisp and Space cadet had a baby with the IBM and i call it the Astronaut. this would be a battle station. and im really considering making it one day. 

(Attachment Link)

and yes the top double F row would be raised and angled like the IBM boards usually are.

yes its full of useless keys that would likely never be used. but who cares. its massive and would scare people away from my desk.

Those media keys though :eek: Will this be used as a mixing device for recording music?!

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #58 on: Thu, 11 August 2016, 08:50:40 »
i would like to premise this next layout as "I am a raging lunatic"
Symbolic Lisp and Space cadet had a baby with the IBM and i call it the Astronaut. this would be a battle station. and im really considering making it one day. 

(Attachment Link)

and yes the top double F row would be raised and angled like the IBM boards usually are.

yes its full of useless keys that would likely never be used. but who cares. its massive and would scare people away from my desk.

Those media keys though :eek: Will this be used as a mixing device for recording music?!
Probably not. More world domination or melee  weapons in the zombie apocalypse

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 11 August 2016, 08:58:05 »
I'm looking to build a numpad and got in on the amazing chocolatier set on massdrop.






Can't tell if I like the numpad on the right or the left.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 11 August 2016, 09:01:56 »
I'm looking to build a numpad and got in on the amazing chocolatier set on massdrop.

(Attachment Link)


(Attachment Link)

Can't tell if I like the numpad on the right or the left.
Both look really cool. Awesome layouts. I love accessory keyboards.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #61 on: Thu, 11 August 2016, 09:18:44 »
Truefox layout with F row and numpad. Whitewolf? Idk
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http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/868c7f960a3f5c84af9dd8dd8e777f6b

I wish someone made keyboards that have left side numpads (I think there was one keyboard that let you swap sides).  I'm a righty but work have a pencil in my right and calculator in my left for work a lot so switching to a right side numpad always feels super awkward.  I've settled on ordering a smart68 and I'll pick up a separate numpad for when I need it.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #62 on: Thu, 11 August 2016, 09:20:43 »
Truefox layout with F row and numpad. Whitewolf? Idk
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http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/868c7f960a3f5c84af9dd8dd8e777f6b

I'd love if someone made left hand numpads (I think there was one keyboard that let you swap sides).  I'm a righty but work with a pencil in my right and numpad in my left for work a lot so the right side numpad always feels super awkward.  I've settled on ordering a smart68 and I'll pick up a separate numpad.

i think there are afew Left handed keyboards out there but not sure if any are mech. you could design and have one built. as a thought.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 11 August 2016, 09:44:12 »
i would like to premise this next layout as "I am a raging lunatic"
Symbolic Lisp and Space cadet had a baby with the IBM and i call it the Astronaut. this would be a battle station. and im really considering making it one day. 

(Attachment Link)

and yes the top double F row would be raised and angled like the IBM boards usually are.

yes its full of useless keys that would likely never be used. but who cares. its massive and would scare people away from my desk.

Those media keys though :eek: Will this be used as a mixing device for recording music?!
Probably not. More world domination or melee  weapons in the zombie apocalypse

sent from my chess board

Sorry, maybe I wrote it out so that it seemed like I was going for that tongue and cheek effect. 2u media keys are very unusual indeed :)

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 11 August 2016, 09:49:04 »
i would like to premise this next layout as "I am a raging lunatic"
Symbolic Lisp and Space cadet had a baby with the IBM and i call it the Astronaut. this would be a battle station. and im really considering making it one day. 

(Attachment Link)

and yes the top double F row would be raised and angled like the IBM boards usually are.

yes its full of useless keys that would likely never be used. but who cares. its massive and would scare people away from my desk.

Those media keys though :eek: Will this be used as a mixing device for recording music?!
Probably not. More world domination or melee  weapons in the zombie apocalypse

sent from my chess board

Sorry, maybe I wrote it out so that it seemed like I was going for that tongue and cheek effect. 2u media keys are very unusual indeed :)

well they may or may not be used for media keys i just put something on the keys when designing it. its based on these boards. also inspired by the old massive battle station terminals of old.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 11 August 2016, 10:00:52 »
i would like to premise this next layout as "I am a raging lunatic"
Symbolic Lisp and Space cadet had a baby with the IBM and i call it the Astronaut. this would be a battle station. and im really considering making it one day. 

(Attachment Link)

and yes the top double F row would be raised and angled like the IBM boards usually are.

yes its full of useless keys that would likely never be used. but who cares. its massive and would scare people away from my desk.

Those media keys though :eek: Will this be used as a mixing device for recording music?!
Probably not. More world domination or melee  weapons in the zombie apocalypse

sent from my chess board

Sorry, maybe I wrote it out so that it seemed like I was going for that tongue and cheek effect. 2u media keys are very unusual indeed :)

well they may or may not be used for media keys i just put something on the keys when designing it. its based on these boards. also inspired by the old massive battle station terminals of old.
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Ahhh, I did the same for the Stardust. I may have used one of those battleships when I first learned to use DOS as a lil' tyke :)

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 11 August 2016, 10:11:50 »
i would like to premise this next layout as "I am a raging lunatic"
Symbolic Lisp and Space cadet had a baby with the IBM and i call it the Astronaut. this would be a battle station. and im really considering making it one day. 

(Attachment Link)

and yes the top double F row would be raised and angled like the IBM boards usually are.

yes its full of useless keys that would likely never be used. but who cares. its massive and would scare people away from my desk.

Those media keys though :eek: Will this be used as a mixing device for recording music?!
Probably not. More world domination or melee  weapons in the zombie apocalypse

sent from my chess board

Sorry, maybe I wrote it out so that it seemed like I was going for that tongue and cheek effect. 2u media keys are very unusual indeed :)

well they may or may not be used for media keys i just put something on the keys when designing it. its based on these boards. also inspired by the old massive battle station terminals of old.
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Ahhh, I did the same for the Stardust. I may have used one of those battleships when I first learned to use DOS as a lil' tyke :)

nice

yeah its kinda sad the days of the battle station keyboards are gone. they need to come back. i have a steel series something or another and its a freaking boat (i hate the damn rubber dome toting pile of trash) finally got a replacement for it thank god. but i can go bigger xD i need to put that steel series on ebay or on the free stuff thread. ugh or trash can.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 12 August 2016, 10:30:55 »
I think an ergo TKL something like this would be good, there's space at the bottom for a thumb cluster or two but without a printer I can't work out what goes where.  Would probably land up being pretty tall, but plenty of room for a mouse next to it so all  good.


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[{x:0.75,a:7},"Esc",{x:5.25},"PrtSc","Scroll Lock","Pause\nBreak",{x:5.75},"Del"],
[{y:0.5,x:7},"Insert","Home","PgUp"],
[{x:7},"Delete","End","PgDn"],
[{y:3,x:8},"Up"],
[{x:7},"Right","Down","Left"],
[{r:35,rx:3.5,y:1,x:1},"F1","F2","F3","F4",{x:0.5},"F5","F6"],
["`","1","2","3","4","5","6"],
[{x:-0.5,w:1.5},"TAB","Q","W","E","R","T"],
[{x:-0.5,w:1.75},"Caps Lock","A","S","D","F","G"],
[{x:-0.5,w:1.25},"Shift","\\","Z","X","C","V"],
[{x:0.5,w:1.75},"Ctrl",{w:1.25},"Win",{w:1.5},"Alt"],
[{r:-35,rx:5.25,ry:1.5,y:4.6,x:1.5},"F7","F8",{x:0.5},"F9","F10","F11","F12"],
[{x:2},"7","8","9","0","-","="],
[{x:1.35},"Y","U","I","O","P","[","]"],
[{x:1.6},"H","J","K","L",";","'","#"],
[{x:1.35},"B","N","M",",",".","/","Shift"],
[{x:2,w:1.5},"Alt Gr",{w:1.25},"Menu",{w:1.25},"Win",{w:1.5},"Ctrl"]

If you want to make it into an ambidextrous battlestation add a numberpad both sides, I'm sure you'll find a use for the spare one :))
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #68 on: Fri, 12 August 2016, 14:43:56 »
nice thread.  interesting layouts.

something like this is interesting to me.

work in progress, as seen in digit's aspirational keyboard notions thread
tho i've little idea what the keys will do... where they'll all go.   what are the bottom row keys?  what's on the large thumb key portions?  could the esc be that unique coloured key between numpad and number row, instead of the big corner button?
still... it's nice.  ;D
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 14:12:09 »
i give you the Rook
146181-0

and the Castle
146183-1

maybe the names should be reversed
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 14:32:05 »
i give you the Rook
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and the Castle
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maybe the names should be reversed

Definitely named wrong - the first one has merlons!
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 14:33:25 »
i give you the Rook
(Attachment Link)

and the Castle
(Attachment Link)

maybe the names should be reversed

Definitely named wrong - the first one has merlons!

haha yeah.

ugh so may layouts... so little time
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 14:34:12 »
i give you the Rook
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and the Castle
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maybe the names should be reversed

You forgot to say : "sent from my chess board"

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 23 August 2016, 14:34:48 »
i give you the Rook
(Attachment Link)

and the Castle
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maybe the names should be reversed

You forgot to say : "sent from my chess board"

thats only when i post from tapatalk on my phone LOL
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #74 on: Wed, 24 August 2016, 15:45:56 »
Ok, I think that I've found the right thread to post my idea. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I am interested in 40% but I also love the Leopold fc660 design. I combined the two things to create the following layout, what do you think?
Do you have any suggestion?



My target would be to build and test it... Even though I'm still trying to figure out how to do it.

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It would also be my first soldering job and I'm a bit skeptical about my abilities :-[

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #75 on: Wed, 24 August 2016, 17:32:28 »
Ok, I think that I've found the right thread to post my idea. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I am interested in 40% but I also love the Leopold fc660 design. I combined the two things to create the following layout, what do you think?
Do you have any suggestion?

Show Image


My target would be to build and test it... Even though I'm still trying to figure out how to do it.

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It would also be my first soldering job and I'm a bit skeptical about my abilities :-[

that is pretty interesting! good stuff.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #76 on: Thu, 25 August 2016, 02:51:14 »
I've been working on this layout idea for some time.
It's discussed here in its earliest form and archived here in its latest form.

This is the us-qwerty version.
You can find all the symbols and qwerty function.
The AltGr layer is not shown, it would be comprised of us-qwerty characters...
There is room for improvements, but at some point it's just personal tastes or habits.

5x15.5 - staggered (40% + symbol row + 3/4 numpad)
« Last Edit: Thu, 25 August 2016, 03:01:52 by decker »

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #77 on: Fri, 26 August 2016, 06:34:12 »
30%
146338-0

This needs a small introduction. For my first mechanical keyboard (GH60) I bought a €52 cherry keyboard for its red Cherry MX switches. Since I had the plate left and I wanted to try to wire my own keyboard. I figured I'd use the arrow and numpad part for trying out. And  because I never got used to WASD I wanted the arrow keys for gaming since I'm old school (combined with a Logitech G502 because I'm not thát old school) and never. So this is what I did and I got it to work with some excellent help from; Suicidal_Orange, jdcarpe, Tactile, a-c and Moistgun.

Now that I know the very basics (of wiring and TMK) I want to go a step further and make a full mini keyboard out of it. So this is my design so far. Mind I'm restricted by the numpad plate layout. If I get it to work and it's actually practical (enough) in use I might make a new lay-out with only 1u keys (thus adding a few keys).

Some important notes:
- Top row symbols: layer one*
Second row symbols: layer 2 (FN1)
Third row symbols:layer 3 (FN2)
- As you can see there's no shift key. I asked around and it might be possible to program it so that a long press on a key would represent shift. So pressing 'g' for a longer period results in 'G' ('shift g' basically). The reason I want it to be this way is that I want to prevent having to press multiple keys when I have to press an FN key to access a letter/symbol in row 2 or 3.
- When rotated 90 degrees it will turn into regular arrows and numpad (switch mode).
- I'm gonna need relegendable keys. (I'll soon start a classified)

* I chose the letters on how frequently they're used in the Dutch language. Position of the letters I did semi-intuitive.
In Dutch a lot of words end with 'en' for instance. Also for example, the words 'en' (and), 'de' (the), 'is' (is), dat (that), dit (this) are also often used. As you can see they are all accessible in layer one and the letters are close to each to easily combine them.
The same is true for the other symbols (the ones I use most frequently are easiest accessible), although I might switch them around if it's not the case in practice. But this is something for later.

As I'm writing this I see I forgot about the zero. Suggestions as where to place it are welcome. As are any other suggestions of course.  ;)
« Last Edit: Fri, 26 August 2016, 07:00:57 by Dwarlorf »
  
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #78 on: Fri, 26 August 2016, 10:14:14 »
I am interested in 40% but I also love the Leopold fc660 design. I combined the two things to create the following layout, what do you think?

A 40% Leopold fc660, why not if you like Leopold fc660 !
I never tried it, but the empty space on the right feels in contradiction with the point of making a smaller kb.

30%
As I'm writing this I see I forgot about the zero. Suggestions as where to place it are welcome. As are any other suggestions of course.  ;)

That is a pretty uncommon layout.
If you put a link on keyboard layout editor, I'll play with it.
About the 0, just put it under your 2 and put your choice of decimal mark under 3.
Use your layers on the arrows if you are missing space for some of the symbols...
« Last Edit: Fri, 26 August 2016, 10:58:49 by decker »

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #79 on: Fri, 26 August 2016, 10:30:05 »
30%
(Attachment Link)

This needs a small introduction. For my first mechanical keyboard (GH60) I bought a €52 cherry keyboard for its red Cherry MX switches. Since I had the plate left and I wanted to try to wire my own keyboard. I figured I'd use the arrow and numpad part for trying out. And  because I never got used to WASD I wanted the arrow keys for gaming since I'm old school (combined with a Logitech G502 because I'm not thát old school) and never. So this is what I did and I got it to work with some excellent help from; Suicidal_Orange, jdcarpe, Tactile, a-c and Moistgun.

Now that I know the very basics (of wiring and TMK) I want to go a step further and make a full mini keyboard out of it. So this is my design so far. Mind I'm restricted by the numpad plate layout. If I get it to work and it's actually practical (enough) in use I might make a new lay-out with only 1u keys (thus adding a few keys).

Some important notes:
- Top row symbols: layer one*
Second row symbols: layer 2 (FN1)
Third row symbols:layer 3 (FN2)
- As you can see there's no shift key. I asked around and it might be possible to program it so that a long press on a key would represent shift. So pressing 'g' for a longer period results in 'G' ('shift g' basically). The reason I want it to be this way is that I want to prevent having to press multiple keys when I have to press an FN key to access a letter/symbol in row 2 or 3.
- When rotated 90 degrees it will turn into regular arrows and numpad (switch mode).
- I'm gonna need relegendable keys. (I'll soon start a classified)

* I chose the letters on how frequently they're used in the Dutch language. Position of the letters I did semi-intuitive.
In Dutch a lot of words end with 'en' for instance. Also for example, the words 'en' (and), 'de' (the), 'is' (is), dat (that), dit (this) are also often used. As you can see they are all accessible in layer one and the letters are close to each to easily combine them.
The same is true for the other symbols (the ones I use most frequently are easiest accessible), although I might switch them around if it's not the case in practice. But this is something for later.

As I'm writing this I see I forgot about the zero. Suggestions as where to place it are welcome. As are any other suggestions of course.  ;)

Pretty awesome one-handed keyboard layout :)

I have a question for ya, though. Is that a pipe or an extra I (under SP)?

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #80 on: Fri, 26 August 2016, 18:24:03 »
i give you the Rook
(Attachment Link)

and the Castle
(Attachment Link)

maybe the names should be reversed
If you make a Knight keyboard, you should give it a BAE.


Ok, I think that I've found the right thread to post my idea. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I am interested in 40% but I also love the Leopold fc660 design. I combined the two things to create the following layout, what do you think?
Do you have any suggestion?

Show Image


My target would be to build and test it... Even though I'm still trying to figure out how to do it.

More
It would also be my first soldering job and I'm a bit skeptical about my abilities :-[
The FC660 is a good-looking keyboard, but the thing's nearly as big as a full TKL.  The best feature of 40% boards is the small space bar.  If you incorporate a SpaceFn layer or use TouchCursor, you could free up your arrow keys for other functions.  Having the third function key also gives you a lot of options.

30%
(Attachment Link)

This needs a small introduction. For my first mechanical keyboard (GH60) I bought a €52 cherry keyboard for its red Cherry MX switches. Since I had the plate left and I wanted to try to wire my own keyboard. I figured I'd use the arrow and numpad part for trying out. And  because I never got used to WASD I wanted the arrow keys for gaming since I'm old school (combined with a Logitech G502 because I'm not thát old school) and never. So this is what I did and I got it to work with some excellent help from; Suicidal_Orange, jdcarpe, Tactile, a-c and Moistgun.

Now that I know the very basics (of wiring and TMK) I want to go a step further and make a full mini keyboard out of it. So this is my design so far. Mind I'm restricted by the numpad plate layout. If I get it to work and it's actually practical (enough) in use I might make a new lay-out with only 1u keys (thus adding a few keys).

Some important notes:
- Top row symbols: layer one*
Second row symbols: layer 2 (FN1)
Third row symbols:layer 3 (FN2)
- As you can see there's no shift key. I asked around and it might be possible to program it so that a long press on a key would represent shift. So pressing 'g' for a longer period results in 'G' ('shift g' basically). The reason I want it to be this way is that I want to prevent having to press multiple keys when I have to press an FN key to access a letter/symbol in row 2 or 3.
- When rotated 90 degrees it will turn into regular arrows and numpad (switch mode).
- I'm gonna need relegendable keys. (I'll soon start a classified)

* I chose the letters on how frequently they're used in the Dutch language. Position of the letters I did semi-intuitive.
In Dutch a lot of words end with 'en' for instance. Also for example, the words 'en' (and), 'de' (the), 'is' (is), dat (that), dit (this) are also often used. As you can see they are all accessible in layer one and the letters are close to each to easily combine them.
The same is true for the other symbols (the ones I use most frequently are easiest accessible), although I might switch them around if it's not the case in practice. But this is something for later.

As I'm writing this I see I forgot about the zero. Suggestions as where to place it are welcome. As are any other suggestions of course.  ;)

Have you experimented with a diamond-shaped arrow cluster?  If you could get the timing set up right, having upper case on long press would be a great feature.


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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #82 on: Sat, 27 August 2016, 00:46:07 »
My dream layout:

I would be afraid that numbers and math operations are too awkward to type as you have the decimal mark and the operators far from the numpad...
I think it would be much more usable with this layout :


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« Last Edit: Sun, 28 August 2016, 13:58:45 by decker »

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #83 on: Sun, 28 August 2016, 05:00:09 »

Pretty awesome one-handed keyboard layout :)

I have a question for ya, though. Is that a pipe or an extra I (under SP)?

30%
As I'm writing this I see I forgot about the zero. Suggestions as where to place it are welcome. As are any other suggestions of course.  ;)

That is a pretty uncommon layout.
If you put a link on keyboard layout editor, I'll play with it.
About the 0, just put it under your 2 and put your choice of decimal mark under 3.
Use your layers on the arrows if you are missing space for some of the symbols...

Have you experimented with a diamond-shaped arrow cluster?  If you could get the timing set up right, having upper case on long press would be a great feature.

Hi guys, thanks for your replies. I gave this keyboard its own thread where I answered these questions. If you would be so kind as to reply there.
  
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #84 on: Sun, 28 August 2016, 06:12:08 »
Thanks for your comments and suggestions!

Ok, I think that I've found the right thread to post my idea. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I am interested in 40% but I also love the Leopold fc660 design. I combined the two things to create the following layout, what do you think?
Do you have any suggestion?

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My target would be to build and test it... Even though I'm still trying to figure out how to do it.

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It would also be my first soldering job and I'm a bit skeptical about my abilities :-[
The FC660 is a good-looking keyboard, but the thing's nearly as big as a full TKL.  The best feature of 40% boards is the small space bar.  If you incorporate a SpaceFn layer or use TouchCursor, you could free up your arrow keys for other functions.  Having the third function key also gives you a lot of options.


The spaceFN would be a really good option. My initial idea was to have "only" 3 fn layers where the arrow cluster would have become pag up/down, home/end with fn1 and some media keys with fn2 (volume up/down, next/previous track). I was thinking to use fn3 for the number-layer thus the arrow keys could again be useful.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #85 on: Sun, 28 August 2016, 13:42:59 »
My dream layout:

I would be afraid that numbers and math operations are two awkward to type as you have the decimal mark and the operators far from the numpad...
I think it would be much more usable with this layout :


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Who said anything about math? Also I try to keep standard key sizes.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #86 on: Sun, 28 August 2016, 14:01:26 »
Who said anything about math? Also I try to keep standard key sizes.

I did.
You share your 'dream'.
I'm pointing things, I feel useful that you didn't include.
Good for you if you can live without math.

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« Reply #87 on: Sun, 28 August 2016, 14:15:34 »
I'm a fan of the space-fn-space layout to replace the traditional spacebar. Fitting in an arrow cluster and numpad would be bonus but I think the real innovation/difference is removing the traditional spacebar and implementing a split spacebar/function layout.

I do like that dream setup decker.

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« Reply #88 on: Tue, 30 August 2016, 00:18:00 »
Not a so original layout, but I'm wondering why it's not so common to stick the numpad in the middle.
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 - Longer distance between hands, more ergonomic.
 - Easier for left-handed users
 - Shorter travel distance for the right/left hand.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/156bdc4d80260b1f0343f8b9e03b9eb4 Hopefully the link works.

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« Reply #89 on: Tue, 30 August 2016, 05:37:55 »
Not a so original layout, but I'm wondering why it's not so common to stick the numpad in the middle.
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 - Longer distance between hands, more ergonomic.
 - Easier for left-handed users
 - Shorter travel distance for the right/left hand.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 31 August 2016, 12:43:26 »
revised one of my layouts. i think i may have to make this a reality

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« Reply #91 on: Wed, 31 August 2016, 13:52:49 »
revised one of my layouts. i think i may have to make this a reality

Do you use the right Alt-Win-Menu and Ctrl keys ?
I never do, well apart from the Alt which is an Alt Gr on an ISO keyboard.

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« Reply #92 on: Wed, 31 August 2016, 13:54:03 »
revised one of my layouts. i think i may have to make this a reality

Do you use the right Alt-Win-Menu and Ctrl keys ?
I never do, well apart from the Alt which is an Alt Gr on an ISO keyboard.

not really but i figured i'd leave them since i added other keys other places. if nothing else for place holders.

but the simple question is no. well sometimes the windows key
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #93 on: Wed, 31 August 2016, 14:33:20 »

My dream layout:


I would be afraid that numbers and math operations are two awkward to type as you have the decimal mark and the operators far from the numpad...
I think it would be much more usable with this layout :




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Who said anything about math? Also I try to keep standard key sizes.


I feel like I should live in this thread since nothing I've really made lately has been... normal... I'm just not around much.  Anyway, I built something similar to this about a year ago:



Since there are no legends, the astute will notice that there are only 12 keys across the home row (with 4 more for the numpad area on the right), since it shares the same basis as my "59%" keyboard:



Anyway, I'm not sure why I posted here, but I like this layout, it worked well for me.  I don't use either of these as much lately since changing jobs, however. 


With the same idea in mind, I started working on a 40% board:
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http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/6bb8a546709c538d1010


I built it, but mapped the keys more traditionally.  I'm a little torn on this, because I like the back-lighting enough that I don't want to remap the keys to fit the other boards - I'd rather have the keys mapped like the other two boards, but I'm slowly getting used to the idea.  I know this one isn't really totally out there, but it's still kind of out of the ordinary.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #94 on: Wed, 31 August 2016, 14:37:45 »

My dream layout:


I would be afraid that numbers and math operations are two awkward to type as you have the decimal mark and the operators far from the numpad...
I think it would be much more usable with this layout :




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Who said anything about math? Also I try to keep standard key sizes.


I feel like I should live in this thread since nothing I've really made lately has been... normal... I'm just not around much.  Anyway, I built something similar to this about a year ago:

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Since there are no legends, the astute will notice that there are only 12 keys across the home row (with 4 more for the numpad area on the right), since it shares the same basis as my "59%" keyboard:

Show Image


Anyway, I'm not sure why I posted here, but I like this layout, it worked well for me.  I don't use either of these as much lately since changing jobs, however.

i like that aluminum extrusion stuff. is that from 80/20? details i must have them.
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« Reply #95 on: Wed, 31 August 2016, 14:48:22 »

i like that aluminum extrusion stuff. is that from 80/20? details i must have them.
 

That extrusion is MicroRax - it's 10mm square.  I looked at open beam or maker beam, but I had some of this from another project, and liked it, so I just got some more for the casing.  It's a little larger than a sandwich case might be, but it means I only have to have a top plate laser cut.


I have a 4x5 keypad, those two keyboards, and this crazy gamepad all made with it.


http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/9568333f886857914a0b570f82905931
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« Reply #96 on: Wed, 31 August 2016, 14:56:11 »

i like that aluminum extrusion stuff. is that from 80/20? details i must have them.
 

That extrusion is MicroRax - it's 10mm square.  I looked at open beam or maker beam, but I had some of this from another project, and liked it, so I just got some more for the casing.  It's a little larger than a sandwich case might be, but it means I only have to have a top plate laser cut.


I have a 4x5 keypad, those two keyboards, and this crazy gamepad all made with it.


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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #97 on: Wed, 31 August 2016, 15:08:46 »
I feel like I should live in this thread since nothing I've really made lately has been... normal... I'm just not around much.  Anyway, I built something similar to this about a year ago:
With the same idea in mind, I started working on a 40% board:

Thanks for sharing, nice N7 touch.

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« Reply #98 on: Thu, 01 September 2016, 19:53:40 »

I feel like I should live in this thread since nothing I've really made lately has been... normal... I'm just not around much.  Anyway, I built something similar to this about a year ago:

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Since there are no legends, the astute will notice that there are only 12 keys across the home row (with 4 more for the numpad area on the right), since it shares the same basis as my "59%" keyboard:

Show Image


Anyway, I'm not sure why I posted here, but I like this layout, it worked well for me.  I don't use either of these as much lately since changing jobs, however. 


With the same idea in mind, I started working on a 40% board:
(Attachment Link)
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/6bb8a546709c538d1010


I built it, but mapped the keys more traditionally.  I'm a little torn on this, because I like the back-lighting enough that I don't want to remap the keys to fit the other boards - I'd rather have the keys mapped like the other two boards, but I'm slowly getting used to the idea.  I know this one isn't really totally out there, but it's still kind of out of the ordinary.

I still love that 59% layout.  That 40% layout looks good but having to press 2 keys to get a left shift function seems like it would be a little too awkward, considering how frequently shift keys are used.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #99 on: Sat, 03 September 2016, 19:09:17 »
Edit: I renamed them Space Control

'opposites feature'

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When my '30% experiment' is finished this might be its (final) successor.

2 more but I don't think I like them as much

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« Reply #100 on: Sun, 04 September 2016, 20:33:23 »
Edit: I renamed them Space Control

'opposites feature'

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When my '30% experiment' is finished this might be its (final) successor.

2 more but I don't think I like them as much

(Attachment Link)

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So you're mostly playing with different bottom row configurations?  Programming the different layers/keys will probably come from usage, but figuring out where you want your fingers to be, yes, that's harder.

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« Reply #101 on: Mon, 05 September 2016, 03:31:52 »
Edit: I renamed them Space Control

'opposites feature'

(Attachment Link)

When my '30% experiment' is finished this might be its (final) successor.

2 more but I don't think I like them as much

(Attachment Link)

(Attachment Link)

So you're mostly playing with different bottom row configurations?  Programming the different layers/keys will probably come from usage, but figuring out where you want your fingers to be, yes, that's harder.
Yeah, that's right. I try to imagine which button configuration is best suited but in the end practical usage will tell. When I'm ready to make these I'll just make 2 plates and experiment.
  
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #102 on: Fri, 09 September 2016, 10:39:24 »
Is the 59% keyboard handwired? Looks like a really neat idea!
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« Reply #103 on: Fri, 09 September 2016, 12:53:25 »
Is the 59% keyboard handwired? Looks like a really neat idea!

I made a PCB for it, but it could certainly be handwired instead.  I have it posted up on github.

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« Reply #104 on: Sat, 17 September 2016, 17:11:48 »
This could be very close to my final design. It has actually turned into a 25% (26 keys)

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« Reply #105 on: Sun, 02 October 2016, 09:37:25 »
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« Reply #106 on: Sun, 02 October 2016, 10:05:29 »
I just really want a TKL but without the 3 columns to the right.

So 75% but with proper F-row spacing to play starcraft and no extra column for pageup/pagedown and all those keys.

I call it 69%, been meaning to build one for a while but I'd want to design a pcb for it and don't have the knowledge. I'll hit you up whenever I get around to it xD
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« Reply #107 on: Sun, 02 October 2016, 10:11:34 »
I just really want a TKL but without the 3 columns to the right.

So 75% but with proper F-row spacing to play starcraft and no extra column for pageup/pagedown and all those keys.

I call it 69%, been meaning to build one for a while but I'd want to design a pcb for it and don't have the knowledge. I'll hit you up whenever I get around to it xD
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #108 on: Wed, 05 October 2016, 18:02:03 »
Interesting numpad on the 40 long !

And here is my try on the central numpads :

5x15 central numpad matrix
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I like that idea, I'll try to make something like that with my Atomic. Right now my layout looks like this:

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Link.

I thought about making it "winkeyless", removing the bottom right and left keys, but I don't want to eliminate the options a full-grid layout otherwise gives me.
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« Reply #109 on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 08:14:01 »
I'm working on this layout.


Specification has been finished. However the function layers are subjected to change.

Implementation is underway.

The layout was presented here on GH a year ago. Keyword: "Plum matrix keyboard".

The idea was presented here on GH two years ago. Keyword: "RealMatrix as an alternative to TypeMatrix".

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« Reply #110 on: Fri, 07 October 2016, 11:33:15 »
because i've been curious about the Ortho keyboards for awhile now.

Ortho 60 and variants.
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« Reply #111 on: Fri, 07 October 2016, 19:45:32 »
I call it the switch180 :)



For when you want an 1800-ish look on a smaller board :p
Legends are just placeholders & the bottom is a split space layout frostytoast did.


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« Reply #112 on: Sat, 08 October 2016, 01:24:50 »
I call it the switch180 :)
For when you want an 1800-ish look on a smaller board :p
Legends are just placeholders & the bottom is a split space layout frostytoast did.

If I shorten Backspace and add spaces, that reminds me of one of my layouts (with one extra column)...

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« Reply #113 on: Sat, 08 October 2016, 12:03:51 »
Trying to come up with some sensible and HHKB friendly layouts on the Atomic keyboard layout.
Just realized that without 'staggering', our home placement of fingers are 1 row away from the edge for the left hand and 4 rows away from the edge for the right hand.

I tried to make the hand placement more centered on the first one.
This is a comfortable layout however can't be so HHKB, and sadly without the full arrow keys:
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This one has no attempt to center the hand placement.
This is more holistic but with some short modifier keys on the left and without the gap on the right bottom corner:
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« Reply #114 on: Sat, 08 October 2016, 14:35:11 »
I call it the switch180 :)

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For when you want an 1800-ish look on a smaller board :p
Legends are just placeholders & the bottom is a split space layout frostytoast did.

Yes.

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« Reply #115 on: Sun, 09 October 2016, 15:27:47 »
I call it the switch180 :)

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For when you want an 1800-ish look on a smaller board :p
Legends are just placeholders & the bottom is a split space layout frostytoast did.

Where's the escape key...?

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« Reply #116 on: Sun, 09 October 2016, 15:48:37 »
because i've been curious about the Ortho keyboards for awhile now.

Ortho 60 and variants.
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Hm, those 1.5u keys to the left and right just seem to be there for the sake of it, not a fan of those really. Except for the blue layout, all of them would work out perfectly fine with 1u side columns and I'd argue they'd look better, too.

Trying to come up with some sensible and HHKB friendly layouts on the Atomic keyboard layout.
Just realized that without 'staggering', our home placement of fingers are 1 row away from the edge for the left hand and 4 rows away from the edge for the right hand.

I tried to make the hand placement more centered on the first one.
This is a comfortable layout however can't be so HHKB, and sadly without the full arrow keys:
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What about using 1u shift on the right? Then you'd have enough space for a full arrow cluster.

I call it the switch180 :)

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For when you want an 1800-ish look on a smaller board :p
Legends are just placeholders & the bottom is a split space layout frostytoast did.

That looks pretty damn cool, I'd love to see that being built!
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #117 on: Sun, 09 October 2016, 15:58:45 »
Something I've been working on for a while!



Basically kind of similar to a regular 60% but with arrowkeys, split space and some other rearangements. I implemented the arrows kind of similar to the 1800 just like switchnollie did with his ones. Tell me what you think! This is weird for sure, just made it for what I personally would like in a board, so fun to see what others think about it :)

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« Reply #118 on: Sun, 09 October 2016, 16:01:16 »
Not the most revolutionary layout, but its great if you just want a popout fullsize add-on to your 60% board.
Great for in and out data entry.


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« Reply #119 on: Sun, 09 October 2016, 16:02:07 »
Not the most revolutionary layout, but its great if you just want a popout fullsize add-on to your 60% board.
Great for in and out data entry.

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« Reply #120 on: Sun, 09 October 2016, 18:17:12 »
Not the most revolutionary layout, but its great if you just want a popout fullsize add-on to your 60% board.
Great for in and out data entry.

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« Reply #121 on: Sun, 09 October 2016, 18:18:14 »
Not the most revolutionary layout, but its great if you just want a popout fullsize add-on to your 60% board.
Great for in and out data entry.

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« Reply #122 on: Sun, 09 October 2016, 18:47:56 »
I call it the switch180 :)

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For when you want an 1800-ish look on a smaller board :p
Legends are just placeholders & the bottom is a split space layout frostytoast did.

Where's the escape key...?

Wherever you want it :rolleyes:

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« Reply #123 on: Mon, 10 October 2016, 15:48:45 »
I call it the switch180 :)

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For when you want an 1800-ish look on a smaller board :p
Legends are just placeholders & the bottom is a split space layout frostytoast did.

i have an affinity for this.  :thumb:
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #124 on: Mon, 10 October 2016, 16:00:40 »
I call it the switch180 :)

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For when you want an 1800-ish look on a smaller board :p
Legends are just placeholders & the bottom is a split space layout frostytoast did.

i have an affinity for this.  :thumb:

I like that it has exactly zero insert keys

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #125 on: Mon, 10 October 2016, 16:23:51 »
Something I've been working on for a while!

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Basically kind of similar to a regular 60% but with arrowkeys, split space and some other rearangements. I implemented the arrows kind of similar to the 1800 just like switchnollie did with his ones. Tell me what you think! This is weird for sure, just made it for what I personally would like in a board, so fun to see what others think about it :)

Nice! My current board does the same thing, but I had to stay inside my 60% PCB, so my arrows are 1.25u wide (uparr is 1.75), which was irritating in the beginning, but it's easy to get used to.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #126 on: Tue, 11 October 2016, 05:46:23 »
Making the Shift key 1u will increase its mistype rate. That's why I try to introduce gaps at the bottom row for easier reaching of the modifier keys.

Trying to come up with some sensible and HHKB friendly layouts on the Atomic keyboard layout.
Just realized that without 'staggering', our home placement of fingers are 1 row away from the edge for the left hand and 4 rows away from the edge for the right hand.

I tried to make the hand placement more centered on the first one.
This is a comfortable layout however can't be so HHKB, and sadly without the full arrow keys:
(Attachment Link)

What about using 1u shift on the right? Then you'd have enough space for a full arrow cluster.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #127 on: Tue, 11 October 2016, 06:01:25 »
Yes, it reminds me of the TypeMatrix, and also the Maltron.





I'm working on this layout.

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Specification has been finished. However the function layers are subjected to change.

Implementation is underway.

The layout was presented here on GH a year ago. Keyword: "Plum matrix keyboard".
The idea was presented here on GH two years ago. Keyword: "RealMatrix as an alternative to TypeMatrix".
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #128 on: Tue, 11 October 2016, 15:58:22 »
Yes, it reminds me of the TypeMatrix, and also the Maltron.

...
I'm working on this layout.

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Specification has been finished. However the function layers are subjected to change.

Implementation is underway.

The layout was presented here on GH a year ago. Keyword: "Plum matrix keyboard".
The idea was presented here on GH two years ago. Keyword: "RealMatrix as an alternative to TypeMatrix".

The physical layout is somewhat similar to the Maltron. The logical layout isn't. It was inspired by the TypeMatrix. The key difference to the TypeMatrix is location of modifier keys (Ctrl, Shift, Alt) relatively to navigation keys (arrows, Home, End etc) and editation keys (Backspace, Delete, Undo etc).  Location of modifier keys is IMO the major issue in the TypeMatrix, compared to standard PC and laptop keyboards.

Another difference is the symmetry of the physical layout, making it possible to swap parts of the layout between left and right half. For example, if you use the mouse by the right hand, you may want to do all keyboard navigate-select-edit actions by the left hand. This is impossible in the TypeMatrix.

Finally the logical layout separates hands better than the TypeMatrix, given the same physical dimensions.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #129 on: Tue, 11 October 2016, 16:42:48 »


Something I've been working on for a while!

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Basically kind of similar to a regular 60% but with arrowkeys, split space and some other rearangements. I implemented the arrows kind of similar to the 1800 just like switchnollie did with his ones. Tell me what you think! This is weird for sure, just made it for what I personally would like in a board, so fun to see what others think about it :)

Nice! My current board does the same thing, but I had to stay inside my 60% PCB, so my arrows are 1.25u wide (uparr is 1.75), which was irritating in the beginning, but it's easy to get used to.

Will you design a PCB? I hope so, thats an beautiful layout (which will also fits my need)
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #130 on: Wed, 12 October 2016, 03:14:29 »
Something I've been working on for a while!

Show Image


Basically kind of similar to a regular 60% but with arrowkeys, split space and some other rearangements. I implemented the arrows kind of similar to the 1800 just like switchnollie did with his ones. Tell me what you think! This is weird for sure, just made it for what I personally would like in a board, so fun to see what others think about it :)

It looks very similar to layout options 4, 5, or 6 on the White Fox Keyboard. Anyways, you can reprogram the keys on the White Fox:

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #131 on: Sun, 16 October 2016, 14:46:50 »
5 Way Hat keyboard

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D = Del
C = CTRL
T = TAB
E = Enter / FN2

The white buttons are 4-directional with center push.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #132 on: Sun, 16 October 2016, 14:52:33 »
5 Way Hat keyboard

(Attachment Link)

D = Del
C = CTRL
T = TAB
E = Enter / FN2

The white buttons are 4-directional with center push.

How exactly would one activate the secondary/ternary/whatever functions of that board? Chording?
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #133 on: Sun, 16 October 2016, 15:00:40 »
5 Way Hat keyboard

(Attachment Link)

D = Del
C = CTRL
T = TAB
E = Enter / FN2

The white buttons are 4-directional with center push.

How exactly would one activate the secondary/ternary/whatever functions of that board? Chording?

Normal press = top left symbol
Long press  =  top right symbol

FN1 + normal press = bottom left symbol
FN1 + long press = bottom right symbol

FN2 + normal press = Front left symbol
FN2 + long press = Front right symbol

Concepts and partially prototyping
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #134 on: Sun, 16 October 2016, 15:41:37 »
5 Way Hat keyboard

(Attachment Link)

D = Del
C = CTRL
T = TAB
E = Enter / FN2

The white buttons are 4-directional with center push.

Someone placed a customizable number pad in horizontal position and redefine it as a one-hand pad with a similar layout as yours:

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #135 on: Sun, 16 October 2016, 16:21:34 »
5 Way Hat keyboard

(Attachment Link)

D = Del
C = CTRL
T = TAB
E = Enter / FN2

The white buttons are 4-directional with center push.

Someone placed a customizable number pad in horizontal position and redefine it as a one-hand pad with a similar layout as yours:

That's actually how I started out as well. I wonder how many functionalities that one has. I want mine to have/keep full keyboard functionality.
  
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #136 on: Sun, 16 October 2016, 16:42:10 »
Perhaps it's good to get inspiration of the layout and layers from Matias Half-Keyboard:

http://www.matias.ca/halfkeyboard/index.php?refID=7
http://www.matias.ca/halfkeyboard/resources/downloads/HK101_RevisedManual.pdf
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #137 on: Sun, 16 October 2016, 16:57:40 »
Perhaps it's good to get inspiration of the layout and layers from Matias Half-Keyboard:

http://www.matias.ca/halfkeyboard/index.php?refID=7

Interesting concept indeed. Very expensive for just half a keyboard though.  :D

On a side note: I did not intend mine to be a one handed keyboard but many people seem to think so.
  
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #138 on: Tue, 25 October 2016, 10:25:14 »
I'm designing a board based around the thought "60% split Atreus" and looking for some feedback on layout options.

Here's a "true" 60% Atreus design - I've tried to stay as close as possible to the original Atreus:

151191-0

Based on my hand size, it looks like I'd benefit from a more aggressive column stagger. I'm not quite sure how many and what sizes of keys I'd like, though. Here are a couple of the ideas I've been playing with:

151193-1
151195-2
151197-3

Here are a couple of my other references and inspirations:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74518.0

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85164.0

What do you all think? Any of these options look better than the others?

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #139 on: Thu, 27 October 2016, 11:50:14 »
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #142 on: Wed, 09 November 2016, 21:39:47 »
Have seen some useful and interesting layouts here so far. I've been a fan of the 60% form factor for a while, but can't live without an arrow cluster. So trying my hand at a custom which is still compatible with poker 60 style cases:

152551-0

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #143 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 02:22:10 »
Have seen some useful and interesting layouts here so far. I've been a fan of the 60% form factor for a while, but can't live without an arrow cluster. So trying my hand at a custom which is still compatible with poker 60 style cases:

(Attachment Link)
That looks good!
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #144 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 04:33:45 »
Have seen some useful and interesting layouts here so far. I've been a fan of the 60% form factor for a while, but can't live without an arrow cluster. So trying my hand at a custom which is still compatible with poker 60 style cases:

(Attachment Link)

Nice, the 2.75u R_Shift can go just right in there as the space bar.
Actually following your practice of putting the Up-arrow key right next to the forward-slash key, even a 6u or 6.25u space bar can be achieved, depending on how many functional modifiers you are going to keep.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #145 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 14:56:53 »
Have seen some useful and interesting layouts here so far. I've been a fan of the 60% form factor for a while, but can't live without an arrow cluster. So trying my hand at a custom which is still compatible with poker 60 style cases:

(Attachment Link)

This reminds me of the HHKB Pro JP. Nice

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #146 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 20:05:04 »
This reminds me of the HHKB Pro JP. Nice

Yeah the Pro JP has been my everyday keyboard for about a year now. Be nice in ANSI instead of ISO.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #147 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 20:12:41 »
Nice, the 2.75u R_Shift can go just right in there as the space bar.
Actually following your practice of putting the Up-arrow key right next to the forward-slash key, even a 6u or 6.25u space bar can be achieved, depending on how many functional modifiers you are going to keep.

Great point, had a few iterations which did exactly that.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #148 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 01:04:29 »
So I've been wanting to try an ortho so here we go



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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #149 on: Mon, 14 November 2016, 06:18:03 »
So I've been wanting to try an ortho so here we go

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Too bad you didn't make the keys have a chess-pattern. Then you could really send it from your chessboard...

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #150 on: Mon, 14 November 2016, 10:51:04 »
So I've been wanting to try an ortho so here we go

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Too bad you didn't make the keys have a chess-pattern. Then you could really send it from your chessboard...

funny you say that. i totally have enough keys to do it in both colors. but i think it would hurt my eyes. we'll see tho. i may do it for a photo just for kicks xD  :thumb: :p
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #151 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 04:05:12 »
So I've been wanting to try an ortho so here we go

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Too bad you didn't make the keys have a chess-pattern. Then you could really send it from your chessboard...

funny you say that. i totally have enough keys to do it in both colors. but i think it would hurt my eyes. we'll see tho. i may do it for a photo just for kicks xD  :thumb: :p

Please do...  ;D

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #152 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 04:10:16 »
So I've been wanting to try an ortho so here we go

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A true black and white setup on an ortholinear board! :thumb:

Too bad you didn't make the keys have a chess-pattern. Then you could really send it from your chessboard...

funny you say that. i totally have enough keys to do it in both colors. but i think it would hurt my eyes. we'll see tho. i may do it for a photo just for kicks xD  :thumb: :p
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #153 on: Thu, 17 November 2016, 20:22:56 »
its done more or less. its going to take some getting used to. but Matias quiet clicks are love. and if i dont end up liking it you will find it on the classifieds.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #154 on: Thu, 01 December 2016, 23:51:47 »
its done more or less. its going to take some getting used to. but Matias quiet clicks are love. and if i dont end up liking it you will find it on the classifieds.

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Have you gotten used to this layout yet?  I'm sure the gap in the middle helps, but the halves still look too close together to be comfortable.   I never understood the appeal of ortholinear layouts.  If you're going for a columnar layout, why not stagger the columns or, at least,  rotate the halves so they aren't parallel to each other?  Do you prefer Matias over Cherry-style switches?

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #155 on: Thu, 01 December 2016, 23:57:11 »
its done more or less. its going to take some getting used to. but Matias quiet clicks are love. and if i dont end up liking it you will find it on the classifieds.

(Attachment Link)

Have you gotten used to this layout yet?  I'm sure the gap in the middle helps, but the halves still look too close together to be comfortable.   I never understood the appeal of ortholinear layouts.  If you're going for a columnar layout, why not stagger the columns or, at least,  rotate the halves so they aren't parallel to each other?  Do you prefer Matias over Cherry-style switches?
Matias are better in my opinion. Feel and sound.
They layout is different for sure. But it's not as bad to get used to as I thought but the split really helps. Lots of muscle memory issues with the bottom row I'll tell you that right now. Top rows. Not so bad. I just finished a "Let's Split v2" today and after programming I'll really try it out. Hopefully it will be easier than the regular one piece board.



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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #156 on: Sun, 04 December 2016, 21:48:09 »
its done more or less. its going to take some getting used to. but Matias quiet clicks are love. and if i dont end up liking it you will find it on the classifieds.

(Attachment Link)

Have you gotten used to this layout yet?  I'm sure the gap in the middle helps, but the halves still look too close together to be comfortable.   I never understood the appeal of ortholinear layouts.  If you're going for a columnar layout, why not stagger the columns or, at least,  rotate the halves so they aren't parallel to each other?  Do you prefer Matias over Cherry-style switches?
Matias are better in my opinion. Feel and sound.
They layout is different for sure. But it's not as bad to get used to as I thought but the split really helps. Lots of muscle memory issues with the bottom row I'll tell you that right now. Top rows. Not so bad. I just finished a "Let's Split v2" today and after programming I'll really try it out. Hopefully it will be easier than the regular one piece board.

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I've been curious about Alps-style switches but the lack of plate-mounted stabilizers and the scarcity of non-standard key sizes in the correct profile is too great a barrier for me at this time.  That split board looks much more usable to me.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #157 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 02:06:38 »
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I've been collecting particular switches, including five MX Locks, for this, but before I move on to making a plate and case, I realize that there's a bit of a problem with it...

I don't know of any firmware that can do permanent programmable function keys, let alone 120 of them. Nor do I have the slightest idea how I'd build a Compose function into a keyboard, instead of just using WinCompose. Or a Mouse Mode.

This is the dreamboard, though.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #158 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 06:21:09 »
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This is my (achievable with the parts I have) dream layout.
  • Numpad on left doesn't intrude on mouse space
  • Context-sensitive right modifier. Holding down temporarily reverses Numlock, which is a physical lock switch
  • Big ass enter doesn't sacrifice backslash/bar
Does it look balanced enough? Should I change something?
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #159 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 06:28:26 »
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I've been collection particular switches, including five MX Locks, for this, but before I move on to making a plate and case, I realize that there's a bit of a problem with it...

I don't know of any firmware that can do permanent programmable function keys, let alone 120 of them. Nor do I have the slightest idea how I'd build a Compose function into a keyboard, instead of just using WinCompose. Or a Mouse Mode.

This is the dreamboard, though.

Except for the split spacebar, this layout is quite similar to the Sun Type (5, 6, & 7) keyboards. Did you get inspiration from that?
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #160 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 07:20:13 »
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This is my (achievable with the parts I have) dream layout.
  • Numpad on left doesn't intrude on mouse space
  • Context-sensitive right modifier. Holding down temporarily reverses Numlock, which is a physical lock switch
  • Big ass enter doesn't sacrifice backslash/bar
Does it look balanced enough? Should I change something?
No interest 1u 0/00 keys on numpad for more F/macros keys/layer toggling?



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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #161 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 07:34:07 »
No interest 1u 0/00 keys on numpad for more F/macros keys/layer toggling?
If I can find some that match reasonably well, that sounds like a good idea. I already have two sets of these caps and the RGB mods are from an FK-2001, so I'll play around with putting some of my spare bottom row (two rows really) 1u keys in there.

I think that spacebar/Fn is going to give me the most trouble.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #162 on: Fri, 09 December 2016, 14:24:57 »
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I've been collection particular switches, including five MX Locks, for this, but before I move on to making a plate and case, I realize that there's a bit of a problem with it...

I don't know of any firmware that can do permanent programmable function keys, let alone 120 of them. Nor do I have the slightest idea how I'd build a Compose function into a keyboard, instead of just using WinCompose. Or a Mouse Mode.

This is the dreamboard, though.

Except for the split spacebar, this layout is quite similar to the Sun Type (5, 6, & 7) keyboards. Did you get inspiration from that?

Bingo! It was one of my main inspirations, along with the IBM XT. When I saw those Sun keyboards, I just HAD to try a compose function, and found WinCompose to be an extremely cool thing. It's also a confluence of a bunch of other factors: My favorite build right now is a silenced SKCM Orange 60% with keycaps from a Canon typewriter, but as a 60%, it's not exactly the best for gaming. Additionally, I've notice that I only ever use one thumb on the spacebar, so I wanted to do something with that... Also, I wanted an MX-mount board so I could collect a greater variety of keycaps.

All of that came together, and now I really want to make this super-functional battleship of a board.
Oh, and the plan for the switches? Locks on Caps, Fn, Mouse Mode, Scroll Lock, and NumLock, MX Dark Blue on the alphas and numbers, Hirose MX Orange with quadshot caps on the numpad, and Gatistotles on everything else. All of those are ready, at least.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #163 on: Sun, 11 December 2016, 22:05:53 »
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This is my (achievable with the parts I have) dream layout.
  • Numpad on left doesn't intrude on mouse space
  • Context-sensitive right modifier. Holding down temporarily reverses Numlock, which is a physical lock switch
  • Big ass enter doesn't sacrifice backslash/bar
Does it look balanced enough? Should I change something?

As much as I hate capslock and full-size spacebars, I can't hate on big-ass enter or ISO enter keys.  They are totally impractical but they look so cool.  And left-hand numpad is an awesome solution for minimizing arm movement if you're a right-handed mouse user.  If spreadsheets ever become a major component of my work, I'm going to work to become proficient with left-hand use of a numpad so I can use the mouse and numpad simultaneously.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #164 on: Thu, 15 December 2016, 08:42:44 »
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I've been collecting particular switches, including five MX Locks, for this, but before I move on to making a plate and case, I realize that there's a bit of a problem with it...

I don't know of any firmware that can do permanent programmable function keys, let alone 120 of them. Nor do I have the slightest idea how I'd build a Compose function into a keyboard, instead of just using WinCompose. Or a Mouse Mode.

This is the dreamboard, though.

TMK or QMK both have mouse modes. Hardware compose could be done with tap dancing, which is a function in QMK, not sure if it also exists in TMK you'd also want to have a layout on your PC that supports all the characters you want to compose. That could be US-International, but if you want to go for more excotic stuff like emoji you will need to use Unicode, which is platform dependent. Other than that, I don't see an issue with it. What do you mean by permanent function keys?
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #165 on: Tue, 20 December 2016, 21:50:55 »
I finally broke down and got my first custom keyboard.  Made by mrbishop.  The switches are round 2 62g tactile Zealios.  The plate is aluminum.  The case is oak.  The keycaps are Carbon.  The keyboard is awesome.  It only weighs one pound without caps.  The package it was shipped in felt so light, I thought it was empty.  But it feels and sounds better than my Pok3r.  I assume that's mostly due to the plate not floating.

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Here's the layout.  Legends on the sides of the keys represent keys on the function layer.  The vertical key is supposed to be 1.5u, but I just happened to have a 1.25u key that was the same color as Carbon's gray, so I'm currently using that.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #166 on: Sat, 24 December 2016, 03:11:17 »
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This is my (achievable with the parts I have) dream layout.
  • Numpad on left doesn't intrude on mouse space
  • Context-sensitive right modifier. Holding down temporarily reverses Numlock, which is a physical lock switch
  • Big ass enter doesn't sacrifice backslash/bar
Does it look balanced enough? Should I change something?

Looks good, I would add the extra column to complete the num pad but if you don't use those keys fair enough.

Do you need numberpad keycodes or will nav cluster work?  I ask because num lock is controlled by the OS so I'm pretty sure you can't have a temporary reverse key as described, it could be an FN to standard standard keys though...

120 macros sounds like a lot - what are you planning?  A Teensy 2.0++ has more space for firmware but not sure it's that big :))
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #167 on: Mon, 09 January 2017, 15:37:34 »
Not that "interesting" but it's near ideal for me on a 75% footprint:

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #168 on: Tue, 10 January 2017, 08:06:34 »
A slightly more compact version of the 1800 layout.  My biggest problems with the standard 1800 layout are 1) the F-keys are a full unit away from the normal cluster and 2) the six-key navigation cluster is too hard to find without looking down.

This layout improves things by putting the six-key cluster back on its own island and realigned with the arrow key cluster.  To compensate, the F keys have been shifted appropriately and the backslash and tilde keys have been moved to the bottom.  There are some HHKB elements such as Esc key in the main cluster, R2 Backspace/Del and R3 Control.  All redundant keys in the bottom row have been dropped.

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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #169 on: Tue, 10 January 2017, 09:33:53 »

A slightly more compact version of the 1800 layout.  My biggest problems with the standard 1800 layout are 1) the F-keys are a full unit away from the normal cluster and 2) the six-key navigation cluster is too hard to find without looking down.

This layout improves things by putting the six-key cluster back on its own island and realigned with the arrow key cluster.  To compensate, the F keys have been shifted appropriately and the backslash and tilde keys have been moved to the bottom.  There are some HHKB elements such as Esc key in the main cluster, R2 Backspace/Del and R3 Control.  All redundant keys in the bottom row have been dropped.

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Quite a nice touch to the '1800'.
There's almost no drawback except the unusual "the backslash and tilde key". I think Europeans will definitely want at least their essential "Alt Gr" back before they talk about their ISO L_Shift and Enter key.
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Re: Interesting Layouts
« Reply #170 on: Tue, 10 January 2017, 12:06:58 »

A slightly more compact version of the 1800 layout.  My biggest problems with the standard 1800 layout are 1) the F-keys are a full unit away from the normal cluster and 2) the six-key navigation cluster is too hard to find without looking down.

This layout improves things by putting the six-key cluster back on its own island and realigned with the arrow key cluster.  To compensate, the F keys have been shifted appropriately and the backslash and tilde keys have been moved to the bottom.  There are some HHKB elements such as Esc key in the main cluster, R2 Backspace/Del and R3 Control.  All redundant keys in the bottom row have been dropped.

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Quite a nice touch to the '1800'.
There's almost no drawback except the unusual "the backslash and tilde key". I think Europeans will definitely want at least their essential "Alt Gr" back before they talk about their ISO L_Shift and Enter key.

Good point.  The original layout is more tailored for my personal use, but maybe it's possible to tweak it for ISO use.  I see that there's no room for a backspace, but perhaps a split spacebar might suffice.  Unfortunately I have no familiarity with ISO so I'm not sure how viable this would be.  I imagine if this concept ever turned into an actual PCB the bottom row would be quite flexible.

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