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Title: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:23:55
(https://i.imgur.com/vgiEswM.jpg)

Bear by Jacky. Render by Manzel. (Full Size (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/09.png))

GB Thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=117364.msg3127350#msg3127350)

GMK Prussian Blue
Dates & Vendors
TBD: The original Group Buy was canceled.  It is my hope that we'll be able to try again in the future, likely with some rework.  I've asked the mods to reopen this IC thread to track the future of this project, should such a future arise.

The Group Buy for this keyset will start 01 June 2022 and is expected to run through 01 July 2022.


Updates
09 Jun 2022 - Cancellation of original GB.
01 Jun 2022 - Start of original GB.
09 May 2022 - Updated international kit, added vendor list, and announced GB date.
11 Mar 2022 - Updated spacebar kitting to include both types of 6u bar; removed 1.75u bars.
04 Mar 2022 - Submitted for quotes via primary US vendor.

Background

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What is GMK Prussian Blue?

GMK Prussian Blue is a custom keycap set to be manufactured in the Cherry profile by GMK Electronic Design GmbH (https://www.gmk-electronic-design.de/en/). These MX-compatible keycaps will be made from ABS plastic and doubleshot legends (with UV front-print where needed). GMK Prussian Blue uses a simple color scheme with a GMK stock white (CP) for its legends and a custom color for the base: RAL 230 20 20 (PreuŖischblau).

Background: Prussian Blue

Prussian Blue is a chemical compound (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_blue) originally discovered in Berlin at the turn of the 18th century. It has been used in a variety of settings from art (Japanese woodblock painting) to architecture (a traditional blueprint dye) to medicine (a treatment for heavy metal poisoning).

Prussian Blue was also used for nearly two centuries to dye the military uniforms of the Kingdom of Prussia. The RAL standard and this keyset draw from this darker variant, and GMK Prussian Blueís kitting takes further inspiration from the history of the Kingdom of Prussia itself.

The Kingdom of Prussia

The Kingdom of Prussia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Prussia) was established circa 1701 and existed until approximately 1918. Its borders changed frequently, with many of its parts split into separate enclaves and exclaves. Though it was ruled by a German-speaking monarchy, its reality was far more diverse, including regions of Germans, Poles, Lithuanians, and Silesians. For most of its existence, however, the majority of Prussian territory lay within the current borders of Germany and Poland.


Two Base Kits

As a reflection of the Kingdom of Prussiaís multilingual and multicultural footprint, GMK Prussian Blue will offer two distinct base kits: one Polish and one German.

(https://i.imgur.com/cRW7uGo.jpg)
Polish/US Base Kit. Render by Manzel (Full Size (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/polish-us-base-with-markup.png))

(https://i.imgur.com/X2skCQi.jpg)
German Base Kit. Render by Manzel (Full Size (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/german-base-with-markup.png))

The Polish / US Base kit will use the modern ďPolish Programmersí Layout,Ē whose similarity to US ANSI allows it to also serve as the primary base kit. Its modifier key legends will be a mix of icons and English language modifiers. Especially when paired with the Spacebars addon, it provides physical compatibility for very wide array of boards, including a majority of 40% boards as well as rarities like the Vortex Race 3 (https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Keyboard-Vortexgear-Mx-Brown-Aluminium/dp/B071J5WTT6?th=1) and Boardwalk (https://mkultra.click/boardwalk-pcb).

The German Base kit will follow a German QWERTZ standard layout while also providing a QWERTY option. Its modifier key legends will use a mix of icons and German language modifiers, with most following the style of boards sold by GMKís own Uniqey storefront (https://uniqey.net/q100-premium-mechanical-keyboard?c=10). Its physical support for nonstandard keyboard layouts is intentionally more limited to control costs.

Child Kits

(https://i.imgur.com/3jULfil.png)
Spacebars kit. Render by Manzel (Full Size (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/spacebar-kit-with-markup.png))

(https://i.imgur.com/pORSCfK.png)
International Kit. Render by Manzel (Full Size (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2022/05/gmk-prussian-blue-international-kit.png))

The Spacebars kit provides a range of spacebar sizes for split & smaller keyboards.  It also includes two 6u spacebar keys: one with a centered stem and one with an off-center stem, allowing it to fit classic Cherry G80-1800 models.

The International Kit provides enough keys to convert the US / Polish base kit into a UK layout or into a more accurate US layout with no sublegends. Likewise, it contains the keys necessary to convert the German base kit into a Swedish, Finnish, Danish, or Norwegian layout.

Board Renders

Full resolution renders are available on the GMK Prussian Blue Home Page (http://GMK Prussian Blue Home Page).

All renders provided by Manzel.

Renders may contain inaccuracies and should not be considered the final authority on the appearance of the caps.

(https://i.imgur.com/eynsgbA.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/H1gV5OW.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/VaQ7gOJ.jpg)
Bear by Jacky with Polish / US base & spacebars kit.

(https://i.imgur.com/tSnRjmS.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/zfKdONJ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/DdjwckN.jpg)
Mech27 TKL with German base.

Set Comparison Chart
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GMK Prussian Blue will include one new custom color (RAL 230 20 20). Its legends will be GMK stock white CP. Below is a diagram that compares the estimated RGB hex colors of several prior and upcoming GMK and Signature Plastics keysets with those of GMK Prussian Blue.

(https://i.imgur.com/qERdMAH.png)
Full Size (https://diplomacyvariants.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/gmk-prussian-blue-color-standard-comparison.png)


Acknowledgements
Thanks to my amazing wife, who has remained supportive even as my home office fills with more keyboards, keycaps, color standards, and cardboard boxes.
Thanks to my adorable daughter, who brings me such joy.
Thanks to Afresh & konstantin for their immense help with getting the ogoneks right.
Thanks to Manzel for his professionalism and renders.
Thanks to hunghingdailo, who gifted me with a brilliant logo.

(https://i.imgur.com/Kbr35hC.png)

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Ella on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:26:39
Very cool, nice to see sets with focus on language support!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:29:50
Excellent work as always
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:32:19
Letís go


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: ad4m on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:33:43
so nice. from the kitting god himself
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: paperassgasket on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:34:55
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: ZavaZ86 on Tue, 30 November 2021, 11:51:12
Lez go
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: nFaiz on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:02:20
great set nopun!


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Michabc on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:02:54
Sehr schŲn!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: MaybeUnique on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:07:25
Nice colour, I like  :thumb:
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:14:05
Nice colour, I like  :thumb:
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:

Out of curiosity, which one do you need?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Anthixious on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:36:42
Here we go again, NoPunIn10Did coming out with another great set. I love this hue of blue, I can definitely see myself using this.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Xerunox on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:57:09
ZAMN
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: VoodooBear on Tue, 30 November 2021, 12:58:38
Just gonna shoot my shot here: Please please pleeeeeease add at least 3-key (1.25u Tab, 1.75u BS, 1.5 Enter) 40's support to the German kit as well.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: novelflyer on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:04:07
Nice colour, GLWIC  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: jtqx on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:06:05
i want this. can we move this up to q1 instead of q3 :stocks:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: The0rigina1 on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:08:15
wow oh wow i love this color
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:23:04
Just gonna shoot my shot here: Please please pleeeeeease add at least 3-key (1.25u Tab, 1.75u BS, 1.5 Enter) 40's support to the German kit as well.

I will consider it, but it's highly unlikely.  The German base will probably need to aim for a lower MOQ, so I am keeping it quite trim.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: XiXora on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:23:55
Oooh. I like the concept behind thisÖ including the kitting.

I'd suggest moving the R4 [|\] from US base to UK/Subless kit and the R4 [><] from the Nordic kit to the US base kit for Terminal ISO as default that most modern kits support this layout for ISO :)
Or is the double slash thing a Polish programmer thing? I'm not that up on many ISO layouts other than UK and Mac :P

(Ps. 1.5U Systems! woo!)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Tweec on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:27:00
Interesting take on the no "fully" latin base kit, otherwise, amazing colors!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: herbologist on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:28:12
What a gorgeous color. Normally I prefer icon+text but I'm feeling this.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Bachoo on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:32:57
Very well done nopun, best of luck with the IC -- I love the blue  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mymeepo on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:51:23
Wow, German support in a base kit. You have my UnterstŁtzung.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:57:30
Oooh. I like the concept behind thisÖ including the kitting.

I'd suggest moving the R4 [|\] from US base to UK/Subless kit and the R4 [><] from the Nordic kit to the US base kit for Terminal ISO as default that most modern kits support this layout for ISO :)
Or is the double slash thing a Polish programmer thing? I'm not that up on many ISO layouts other than UK and Mac :P

(Ps. 1.5U Systems! woo!)

So the double slash thing is indeed an intentional design decision.  I was reading up on the Polish Programmer's layout, and it seems like they are still officially an ISO layout even though it's built to resemble ANSI more.  I suspect that is the case so as to physically support Poles who need to revert to the old QWERTZ-based ISO layout.  So the second backslash isn't solely a Windows shortcut in this case, but a baked-in part of the spec.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 13:59:39
Interesting take on the no "fully" latin base kit, otherwise, amazing colors!

I mean, it's still Latin.  Just not English.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vishydesigns on Tue, 30 November 2021, 14:34:29
Awesome set NoPun! Love the simplicity, and all the extra touches. Will definitely be picking this up!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: boneandbee on Tue, 30 November 2021, 14:41:30
digging on the deep teal - can't wait to see it on a white board! GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: phinix on Tue, 30 November 2021, 14:44:27
Uuuu.. pierwszy raz widze polski set :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: stewfayew on Tue, 30 November 2021, 15:25:31
Edit: there's no — I'm blind

BUT still beautiful color and logo :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 30 November 2021, 16:04:52
Awesome work here, definitely one of the more interesting sets I've seen recently. I was planning on not getting any GMK sets for awhile due to their insane lead times recently, but this will be worth the wait!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: TyPo.mk on Tue, 30 November 2021, 16:08:19
That is a nice blue. 2 base kits might be rough in this market though
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: honoka on Tue, 30 November 2021, 16:19:20
Super progressive kits.
I'm a sucker for sets without accented mods AND ISO-DE. So this is instantly a banger.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mmayhem17 on Tue, 30 November 2021, 16:19:48
gmk stargaze is another set you should compare the blue imo.
Overall very good quality, i will consider.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: noorejji on Tue, 30 November 2021, 16:38:07
Isnít centered 6u stem more common than off-centered? I see that you want to support some classic Cherry boards; personally I have two boards using 6u centered (7V and FC660C).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: TomatoMan on Tue, 30 November 2021, 17:33:58
killer minimal set, love the color as well   :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 17:35:31
Isnít centered 6u stem more common than off-centered? I see that you want to support some classic Cherry boards; personally I have two boards using 6u centered (7V and FC660C).

Iím considering adding the 6u centered. I have a Cherry board that uses the off-center stem.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 17:36:55
That is a nice blue. 2 base kits might be rough in this market though

Maybe?

The advantage here is that thereís a lot less crossover in the audiences. The two are less likely to cannibalize sales from each other.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 17:57:15
gmk stargaze is another set you should compare the blue imo.
Overall very good quality, i will consider.

Do you know the color standard for that?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: sub0001 on Tue, 30 November 2021, 18:04:49
This is lovely, GLWIC! :thumb:
Title: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Kacperoni on Tue, 30 November 2021, 19:09:05
Imma get one please
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: noorejji on Tue, 30 November 2021, 19:16:15
Isnít centered 6u stem more common than off-centered? I see that you want to support some classic Cherry boards; personally I have two boards using 6u centered (7V and FC660C).

Iím considering adding the 6u centered. I have a Cherry board that uses the off-center stem.
Thank you for your consideration. I suppose it wouldn't be a deal-breaker, since those that I have boards doesn't have ISO anyway, and this kit looks very choice for norde. Nice color, and quite unique with the special characters and mods.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 30 November 2021, 20:07:29
Can we get a pic of the plastic chip for 230 20 20 at some point? Love the color chart, but sample next to the sets themselves is always my favorite.

If the German kits could use 3 key 40s from the other one, Iíll ship mine cheap from the states. Maybe others would too.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 20:39:08
Can we get a pic of the plastic chip for 230 20 20 at some point? Love the color chart, but sample next to the sets themselves is always my favorite.

If the German kits could use 3 key 40s from the other one, Iíll ship mine cheap from the states. Maybe others would too.

I can get a picture of the sample in my D2 book, but last I checked RAL was out of the plastic for this specific color (CORRECTION: they donít offer official plastic for this color at all). Also I donít own those other sets.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 30 November 2021, 22:49:59
Iíve got 3 or 4 of those at home and if you want when Iím back (w my dad whoís very sick) I can mail you a cap of each.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 30 November 2021, 23:27:33
Iíve got 3 or 4 of those at home and if you want when Iím back (w my dad whoís very sick) I can mail you a cap of each.

Thatís a very kind offer. Message me on Discord and we can work out the details.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: knbbl on Wed, 01 December 2021, 00:51:54
Very well done!

Is there no F13 in the German base for a particular reason?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: stidal on Wed, 01 December 2021, 03:40:19
been waiting for a prussian blue set. so nice
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 01 December 2021, 06:04:48
Very well done!

Is there no F13 in the German base for a particular reason?

The German base kit is likely to need to run at a lower MOQ, so I had to make a number of cuts. F13 didnít make the cut.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Afresh on Wed, 01 December 2021, 06:46:30
Dziękuję :)

Great seeing polish subs!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 01 December 2021, 13:58:16
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 01 December 2021, 15:13:04
cz. wygląda naprawdę dobrze. hoping you will consider 1.5u System and 1u Alt for hhkb and macos users. also, an R1 "=" for numpad would be useful but i know some keys have to be left out. powodzenia  :thumb:



edit: 1.5u Super keys, sweet! dz!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 01 December 2021, 15:33:01
cz. wygląda naprawdę dobrze. hoping you will consider 1.5u System and 1u Alt for hhkb and macos users. also, an R1 "=" for numpad would be useful but i know some keys have to be left out. powodzenia  :thumb:

The 1.5u System and 1u Alt/AltGr keys are already present. R1 Numpad equals is something I felt I had to trim, even though I do like it personally.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: bobasweatandtears on Wed, 01 December 2021, 16:14:01
I like it!
Prussian Blue is quite a famous pigment historically, that it when it came out, it even spread its use all the way to the East, where in fact Japanese woodblock prints like the famous "The Great Wave off Kanagawa" made use of it. (A quick fun article for those curious on the influence of pigment: https://quintessenceblog.com/prussian-blue-the-art-and-science-of-color/).

I was curious about the rationale behind the inclusion of the"Escape" button in the base kit.
I think making R3 "Control" an icon legend instead of text for that modifier would be better for visual consistency too.

Will new sublegend molds be made for that base kit too? Just from an aesthetic perspective, they seem a touch large in the renders, and shrinking them a bit in size might look better?

That's a really slick logo (<3 hunghingdailo).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: LaserCrafter on Wed, 01 December 2021, 16:18:56
iso-de base kit so good
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 01 December 2021, 17:19:01
I like it!
Prussian Blue is quite a famous pigment historically, that it when it came out, it even spread its use all the way to the East, where in fact Japanese woodblock prints like the famous "The Great Wave off Kanagawa" made use of it. (A quick fun article for those curious on the influence of pigment: https://quintessenceblog.com/prussian-blue-the-art-and-science-of-color/).

I was curious about the rationale behind the inclusion of the"Escape" button in the base kit.
I think making R3 "Control" an icon legend instead of text for that modifier would be better for visual consistency too.

Will new sublegend molds be made for that base kit too? Just from an aesthetic perspective, they seem a touch large in the renders, and shrinking them a bit in size might look better?

That's a really slick logo (<3 hunghingdailo).

The 1.5u Escape and Delete keys are used for Vortex Race 3 and physical Ergodoxian support.

I really donít like the control icon in this context. The design language Iím following here has to do with key purposes rather than position. The text legend stays.

As for the tertiary legends, which are you referring to? The new polish capital letters match the typeface and sizing of the primary capitals.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: bobasweatandtears on Wed, 01 December 2021, 17:40:30
The 1.5u Escape and Delete keys are used for Vortex Race 3 and physical Ergodoxian support.

I really don’t like the control icon in this context. The design language I’m following here has to do with key purposes rather than position. The text legend stays.

As for the tertiary legends, which are you referring to? The new polish capital letters match the typeface and sizing of the primary capitals.
Ah fair enough. I don't know anything about Polish layout, but given that they are alternative capitals, it makes sense they match the size of the primary capitals.
Visually, I guess I'm partly used to kana sublegends which tend to be a smaller size/stroke weight when they're in the tertiary position which led to my initial impression that they looked a bit large at first glance.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: maximize on Wed, 01 December 2021, 17:45:04
RIP to anyone triggered by those Mech27 renders lmao. The set looks amazing. I love that blue.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 01 December 2021, 18:18:22
The 1.5u Escape and Delete keys are used for Vortex Race 3 and physical Ergodoxian support.

I really donít like the control icon in this context. The design language Iím following here has to do with key purposes rather than position. The text legend stays.

As for the tertiary legends, which are you referring to? The new polish capital letters match the typeface and sizing of the primary capitals.
Ah fair enough. I don't know anything about Polish layout, but given that they are alternative capitals, it makes sense they match the size of the primary capitals.
Visually, I guess I'm partly used to kana sublegends which tend to be a smaller size/stroke weight when they're in the tertiary position which led to my initial impression that they looked a bit large at first glance.

Ah, gotcha. With kana, youíre switching alphabets, so itís easier to play with sizing and such. For the Polish Programmersí layout, itís still the Latin alphabet. The additional letters with diacritics are accessed via AltGr.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 01 December 2021, 18:27:48
(Polish/US base) What's the R3 1.5u key for? I think that and the second R4 1u Ctrl can be removed.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 01 December 2021, 18:31:19
(Polish/US base) What's the R3 1.5u key for? I think that and the second R4 1u Ctrl can be removed.

1.5u caps lock provides physical Boardwalk / Ergo support. Second 1u Ctrl is specifically for G80/1800 support.

(These are not kitting decisions I widely recommend, more just my personal preference, like the Vortex Race 3 support)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hali on Wed, 01 December 2021, 19:50:06
late to the party but i super love this
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 01 December 2021, 20:06:24
Iíll get a set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 01 December 2021, 20:29:50
The 1.5u System and 1u Alt/AltGr keys are already present. R1 Numpad equals is something I felt I had to trim, even though I do like it personally.

bad combo of a head cold and small phone screen. thanks, and iím in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Thu, 02 December 2021, 00:00:54
GLWIC, NoPun!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 02 December 2021, 02:58:00
SOLD
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hussar_name on Thu, 02 December 2021, 03:46:45
This reminds me of gmk triumph adler, the most disappointing set ever. I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before.

(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/triumph-adler-gmk-keyset/FP/9KEI21TR32tljOj5jqna_MD-5860_20150323164917_d2507fdb80859622.jpg?bg=f0f0f0)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: robsta on Thu, 02 December 2021, 04:09:01
base kit with full german support? i go for it!

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Thu, 02 December 2021, 04:47:27
This reminds me of gmk triumph adler, the most disappointing set ever. I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before.

I can vouch that the designer (NoPunIn10ded) will happily take a pic of the said color he chose in the OP (he even gave the color code), from the RAL color book.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hussar_name on Thu, 02 December 2021, 06:24:36
This reminds me of gmk triumph adler, the most disappointing set ever. I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before.

I can vouch that the designer (NoPunIn10ded) will happily take a pic of the said color he chose in the OP (he even gave the color code), from the RAL color book.

RAL means nothing. Cherry isn't able to match a color, this happens regularly.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: bukowski on Thu, 02 December 2021, 07:09:02
A german base set? Oh wow.

I am super-in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 02 December 2021, 10:49:34
This reminds me of gmk triumph adler, the most disappointing set ever. I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before.

I can vouch that the designer (NoPunIn10ded) will happily take a pic of the said color he chose in the OP (he even gave the color code), from the RAL color book.

RAL means nothing. Cherry isn't able to match a color, this happens regularly.

this has to be bait
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: actress on Thu, 02 December 2021, 17:14:45
I like the colour. Would personally prefer text + icon mods.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hussar_name on Fri, 03 December 2021, 02:20:05
This reminds me of gmk triumph adler, the most disappointing set ever. I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before.

I can vouch that the designer (NoPunIn10ded) will happily take a pic of the said color he chose in the OP (he even gave the color code), from the RAL color book.

RAL means nothing. Cherry isn't able to match a color, this happens regularly.

this has to be bait

Have ever seen triumph adler renderings vs final product?

Or gmk plum?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83969.700

They simple make an horrible job in matching colors to renderings or RALs. Furtermore in picture colors look always more vibrant than they are, and the "shine" a little only if ligth intensity is very high. I always go for bright sets because they end up being just dull.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: noorejji on Fri, 03 December 2021, 05:53:49
You forgot to mention GMK Necro, that will enforce your argument Iím sure
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 03 December 2021, 08:42:35
Can we please not use this setís thread to grind your axe against GMK?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mmayhem17 on Fri, 03 December 2021, 09:18:56
gmk stargaze is another set you should compare the blue imo.
Overall very good quality, i will consider.

Do you know the color standard for that?

Mr. Dandruff removed RAL from IC....

Anyway, I'm in for the uncommon layouts and the nice blue!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hussar_name on Fri, 03 December 2021, 10:00:36
I just said "I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before."

Can we please not use this setís thread to grind your axe against GMK?

All you have to do to end this is to say that you'll ask gmk for a color sample. Or that you won't.

This ends here for me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: nFaiz on Fri, 03 December 2021, 22:19:14
I just said "I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before."

Can we please not use this setís thread to grind your axe against GMK?

All you have to do to end this is to say that you'll ask gmk for a color sample. Or that you won't.

This ends here for me.
Isnít asking GMK for a color sample standard GB procedure?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mr_fro2000 on Sat, 04 December 2021, 03:05:42
I've been a bit of a grinch when it comes to some of the more recent sets... lately nothing really does it for me... this however looks like a must cop.  I'll probably go in on this and hope the colors come out as presented.  Was recently disappointed w/ Deep Navy and I kinda don't want to go through that again...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sat, 04 December 2021, 10:31:07
I just said "I'd be interested if we can see a color sample before."

Can we please not use this setís thread to grind your axe against GMK?

All you have to do to end this is to say that you'll ask gmk for a color sample. Or that you won't.

This ends here for me.
Isnít asking GMK for a color sample standard GB procedure?

Theyíve apparently stopped doing that pre-GB. The queue is just too long for them to keep up with orders that havenít actually been placed yet.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hussar_name on Sat, 04 December 2021, 13:09:16
made a thread about color matching, so we stop posting here

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=115538.msg3098136 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=115538.msg3098136)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: krzank on Sat, 18 December 2021, 17:23:05
I want it, both sets. Please make it happen.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: krzank on Sat, 18 December 2021, 17:31:37
R5 ?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 19 December 2021, 09:34:35
R5 ?

No, that adds a lot of cost, and I personally havenít used R5 enough to know whether Iíd actually like it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 19 December 2021, 17:44:55
R5 ?

No, that adds a lot of cost, and I personally havenít used R5 enough to know whether Iíd actually like it.

it's a novelty that, while popular and arguably cool, isn't necessary unless you want it
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: sorathiel on Mon, 20 December 2021, 17:50:37
1.5u "# ' " I must be dreaming. ANSI-DE in an actual set!  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: maximize on Mon, 20 December 2021, 21:03:50
Why are you planning to wait until Q3 to run this?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: herfalerf on Mon, 20 December 2021, 21:29:59
This ****ty looks litty.

I am convinced that mono sets in nice colors may be as good or better than beige. I slept on crimson cadet and perestroika. I am fully
Awake for this.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 21 December 2021, 09:43:39
Why are you planning to wait until Q3 to run this?

It's likely it will run earlier.  I just didn't want to rush into things, particularly with a holiday break about to start.  Still lots of logistics to work through.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 21 December 2021, 10:41:59
I never mind the several season wait too much as that often comes with a top tier vendor and high MOQ
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Tyson on Tue, 21 December 2021, 11:43:06
Thank you for offering a UK/Subless kit, will definitely be buying this set. I love the color!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 21 December 2021, 18:05:34
YAY POLISH

100% in
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 23 December 2021, 08:53:41
Thanks for the UK kit, love the pants off this set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vheissu on Sat, 25 December 2021, 23:42:25
In love with this shade of blue and the story behind it. Definitely a buy :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: JomiKarloz on Sat, 25 December 2021, 23:45:54
This is the shade of blue that the world needed, love it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: saigou on Fri, 31 December 2021, 09:49:51
Hoping for an Asian vendor!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: jagger27 on Sat, 01 January 2022, 02:45:01
System supers with 2x1.5Us in base kit? Am I dreaming?

instacop
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vladimir108 on Sun, 02 January 2022, 06:00:48
...
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:

But there is no reason to don't not combine, isn't it? I guess that you don't wanna have just PL + No for full No? For full No you need PL + Int (incl. No). Please keep one international set.

...
I think making R3 "Control" an icon legend instead of text for that modifier would be better for visual consistency too.
...

I agree and like it, there are no so many sets with R3 Control as icon.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 02 January 2022, 08:18:18
...
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:

But there is no reason to don't not combine, isn't it? I guess that you don't wanna have just PL + No for full No? For full No you need PL + Int (incl. No). Please keep one international set.

...
I think making R3 "Control" an icon legend instead of text for that modifier would be better for visual consistency too.
...

I agree and like it, there are no so many sets with R3 Control as icon.

Full Norwegian layout requires the DE base plus the Nordic addon. The Polish base doesnít provide enough keys to cover ISO-NO.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vladimir108 on Sun, 02 January 2022, 08:32:38
Full Norwegian layout requires the DE base plus the Nordic addon. The Polish base doesnít provide enough keys to cover ISO-NO.

Sorry, I didn't know. Then doesn't make sense to have German legends (which I like) on keycaps for Norwegian layout no?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 02 January 2022, 11:17:09
Full Norwegian layout requires the DE base plus the Nordic addon. The Polish base doesnít provide enough keys to cover ISO-NO.

Sorry, I didn't know. Then doesn't make sense to have German legends (which I like) on keycaps for Norwegian layout no?

It has to do with alpha compatibility. Norwegian has far more in common with the German keyboard layout than with Polish or English.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: MaybeUnique on Tue, 04 January 2022, 03:03:29
Nice colour, I like  :thumb:
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:

Out of curiosity, which one do you need?

Oh sorry, I didnt look properly I guess, I just want US-ANSI, but Q isnt in the US-Addon, so I guess combining them would be fine (or moving Q to US-Addon and not keeping them separate).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 04 January 2022, 08:53:07
Nice colour, I like  :thumb:
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:

Out of curiosity, which one do you need?

Oh sorry, I didnt look properly I guess, I just want US-ANSI, but Q isnt in the US-Addon, so I guess combining them would be fine (or moving Q to US-Addon and not keeping them separate).

You should already have an ordinary Q in the US / Polish base kit.  The Q in the Nordic addon is to replace the Q@ in the German base.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vladimir108 on Sun, 16 January 2022, 07:19:04
Is possible to add any accents please? Like PrBlue on white (CP) for Esc and both Enters (US/ISO)? Or nice Rama?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sun, 16 January 2022, 08:53:44
Is possible to add any accents please? Like PrBlue on white (CP) for Esc and both Enters (US/ISO)? Or nice Rama?

I will not be doing business with Rama, but I am pursuing metal artisans from a couple other manufacturers.

As for the set, I'd rather not include accents as that would increase the key count and cost without adding any further physical compatibility.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vladimir108 on Sun, 16 January 2022, 09:13:20

I will not be doing business with Rama, but I am pursuing metal artisans from a couple other manufacturers.


Thanks a lot for explanation, I've meant by "Rama" expression metal keycap(s).


As for the set, I'd rather not include accents as that would increase the key count and cost without adding any further physical compatibility.

I've meant just reversed colours for Esc and Enter (PrBlue legends on CP white keycap) 2 keycaps more with same colours as rest of the set. Anyway thanks for explanation! ;-)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: gotgoodiez on Sun, 16 January 2022, 23:43:42
Love this color! Wish we didn't have to wait forever before we get this..
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Chenson on Mon, 17 January 2022, 01:16:10

I will not be doing business with Rama, but I am pursuing metal artisans from a couple other manufacturers.


Thanks a lot for explanation, I've meant by "Rama" expression metal keycap(s).


As for the set, I'd rather not include accents as that would increase the key count and cost without adding any further physical compatibility.

I've meant just reversed colours for Esc and Enter (PrBlue legends on CP white keycap) 2 keycaps more with same colours as rest of the set. Anyway thanks for explanation! ;-)

I hope HIBI is one of those manufacturers.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: knbbl on Mon, 31 January 2022, 01:27:58
The german R3 control "Steuerung" would be a new mold, right? Can't remember seeing that anywhere else.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Dyto69 on Mon, 31 January 2022, 04:06:57
Lookin very nice, I like the available Layouts
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: DeMechanica on Mon, 31 January 2022, 05:41:58
Add Ortho support, please? Stunning set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 31 January 2022, 06:24:48
Add Ortho support, please? Stunning set.

Thereís physical Ortho support. Iím not planning a child kit for all the ortho legends though.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 01 February 2022, 16:52:44
Y E S
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: treeleaf64 on Wed, 02 February 2022, 16:00:50
would look nice on eniigma thing , was looking at the colors of that earlier  . am fan of this set and always love alternate base !
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: MrJibJub on Thu, 03 February 2022, 07:04:19
Nice colour, I like  :thumb:
Dont combine international kits plz, thx  :thumb:

Out of curiosity, which one do you need?

Oh sorry, I didnt look properly I guess, I just want US-ANSI, but Q isnt in the US-Addon, so I guess combining them would be fine (or moving Q to US-Addon and not keeping them separate).

there is more languages then English. I like that the international sets are not separate. you have so many sets in English only and it makes this hobby so much harder to do in other places then USA or UK or Australia.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 03 February 2022, 10:53:55
February Update:

I've let this IC sleep a little and collect replies over the last month while I focus on other projects.  My hope is to start the process for getting price estimates and then announce my vendors.  Actual GB could be in either Q2 or Q3 of 2020 2022, but all I have is an unofficial internal date at the moment (which could change).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Chenson on Thu, 03 February 2022, 20:20:14
February Update:

I've let this IC sleep a little and collect replies over the last month while I focus on other projects.  My hope is to start the process for getting price estimates and then announce my vendors.  Actual GB could be in either Q2 or Q3 of 2020, but all I have is an unofficial internal date at the moment (which could change).

Might need to change "2020" to "2022"  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 23 February 2022, 13:22:10
We've submitted kits for quotes, and now we're just playing the waiting game.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: vishydesigns on Thu, 24 February 2022, 15:29:30
Im in for sure
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: actress on Sat, 26 February 2022, 16:48:06
This set grew on me big time! Can't wait to get it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: solomonshv on Wed, 09 March 2022, 06:08:24
any chance color sample will be done before GB? probably not, but wondering anyway
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 09 March 2022, 14:30:42
any chance color sample will be done before GB? probably not, but wondering anyway

They don't do that any more.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: AeternusCo on Wed, 09 March 2022, 15:05:40
any chance color sample will be done before GB? probably not, but wondering anyway

They don't do that any more.

That's a shame, hopefully at some point that can make a comeback.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Wed, 09 March 2022, 15:21:19
What they've done instead now is purchase what I've been led to believe is a VERY nice spectrometer / colorimeter setup to do verification of color against pantones / RAL / what-have you.

That doesn't solve the problem of render accuracy, as customers won't be able to see the plastic until after the GB, but it is likely going to make the process of matching to the intended standard far more straightforward.

any chance color sample will be done before GB? probably not, but wondering anyway

They don't do that any more.

That's a shame, hopefully at some point that can make a comeback.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 09 March 2022, 16:53:50
any chance color sample will be done before GB? probably not, but wondering anyway

They don't do that any more.

That's a shame, hopefully at some point that can make a comeback.

nah. they do it all in house now. so basically, you can expect to get EXACTLY what you ask for, you just better be sure of what it is you're asking for.

e: whoops I missed Nopun's reply.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: mr_fro2000 on Thu, 10 March 2022, 06:30:07
eagerly awaiting this one... I might actually be done w/ GMK gbs after this one...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: rndr on Thu, 10 March 2022, 09:56:14
Will this ever see the light of the day?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 10 March 2022, 13:35:44
Will this ever see the light of the day?

That's the plan.  We're currently waiting on quotes.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 11 March 2022, 09:05:40
I've posted a minor update to the kitting.  The spacebars kit now includes both types of 6u bar (centered and off-center), and the 1.75u bars were removed to offset that cost.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 11 March 2022, 10:40:32
The german R3 control "Steuerung" would be a new mold, right? Can't remember seeing that anywhere else.

Yes, I believe so.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Rpmorrison10 on Sat, 12 March 2022, 11:44:55
pretty fat us  base kit. Do you have any pricing estimates yet?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sat, 12 March 2022, 12:01:52
pretty fat us  base kit. Do you have any pricing estimates yet?

We are still waiting for quotes. The size of the kit is surprisingly not as many extra keys as you might think; I compared key counts with a GMK set currently running with a 130 price tag, and Prussian Blue only has three more keys (and a lower plastic color count).

Weíll have to see, but I think the final price will be reasonable.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: AeternusCo on Sat, 12 March 2022, 12:07:55
That's great to hear. The colors for this set are fantastic, if price is good too that helps make up for current GMK lead times for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 01 April 2022, 16:19:02
We have quotes in hand and are still discussing plans, scheduling, et cetera.  Wheels in motion, even if slowly.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Rilow on Tue, 05 April 2022, 12:30:00
I'm so ready for this!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 02 May 2022, 13:00:31
May update:

We are assembling all proxy vendors and hope to have a GB date to announce fairly soon.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue
Post by: Chingu on Mon, 02 May 2022, 13:35:52
Definitely interested!

Love the colors and as a nordic user the kitting is perfect!

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 09 May 2022, 13:11:31
I am happy and excited to announce that the GB for GMK Prussian Blue will begin 01 June 2022!

Vendors
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 09 May 2022, 13:52:13
I am happy and excited to announce that the GB for GMK Prussian Blue will begin 01 June 2022!

Vendors
  • US - CannonKeys (https://cannonkeys.com/)
  • UK - Prototypist (https://prototypist.net/)
  • EU - MyKeyboard (https://mykeyboard.eu/)
  • CA - Deskhero (https://www.deskhero.ca/)
  • SEA - iLumkb (https://ilumkb.com/)
  • AU - Switchkeys (https://www.switchkeys.com.au/)

Exciting news, I'll make sure to save up and join during the GB period!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: MaybeUnique on Tue, 10 May 2022, 12:55:37
Count me in! Probably Polish base and intl kit. Good to see this run quite early.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: weekendkeyboard on Tue, 10 May 2022, 13:26:42
Reserved!  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: irithyll on Tue, 10 May 2022, 19:11:01
Less than a month to save up money!  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: Finite on Mon, 16 May 2022, 02:06:08
Well, seeing as how I'm half Polish, I think this set is a must-buy for me! Fingers crossed that KAT Napoleonic ships before this, lmao.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: LegendsWorks on Mon, 16 May 2022, 03:05:46
Now this, This is good
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 16 May 2022, 03:55:15
Not many of them left I believe. But in case any of the offspring from the house of Hohenzollern are into keyboards nowadays, they would probably want to get a set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: vladimir108 on Mon, 23 May 2022, 09:37:39
Silly question: is it possible to add "Rama Lake" color (they should have keycaps and keyboards as well) to the table "Set Comparison Chart" please?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: aerospice on Mon, 23 May 2022, 12:14:19
Silly question: is it possible to add "Rama Lake" color (they should have keycaps and keyboards as well) to the table "Set Comparison Chart" please?

You can probably use GMK Deep Navy from the comparison sheet since the colors for the "Lake" Rama CAPS look very similar to each other
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: spedywin on Sat, 28 May 2022, 15:52:07
i like
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: weekendkeyboard on Wed, 01 June 2022, 09:50:49
Reserved :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB starts 01 June - Vendors Announced
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 02 June 2022, 13:40:22
The Group Buy thread is now live:
GB Thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=117364.msg3127350#msg3127350)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 09 June 2022, 09:10:39
As noted in the GB thread, which should now be locked, the GMK Prussian Blue group buy has been canceled.  It became clear that this wasn't the right moment for GMK Prussian Blue.

The Geekhack mods have been kind enough to unlock this Interest Check thread to track the progress of this project in whatever form it may take in the future.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Thu, 09 June 2022, 10:10:57
As noted in the GB thread, which should now be locked, the GMK Prussian Blue group buy has been canceled.  It became clear that this wasn't the right moment for GMK Prussian Blue.

The Geekhack mods have been kind enough to unlock this Interest Check thread to track the progress of this project in whatever form it may take in the future.

 :(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: phoenixrage on Thu, 09 June 2022, 10:51:44
Damn that sucks, hope to see it come back later on.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: zebus on Thu, 09 June 2022, 12:56:21
Man if a set this good canít make it then I feel like GMK is officially RIP until they get their **** together.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: LegendsWorks on Thu, 09 June 2022, 13:37:16
 :'(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 09 June 2022, 14:11:28
Man if a set this good canít make it then I feel like GMK is officially RIP until they get their **** together.


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mitclan just did 850 or so orders on day 1, GMK is definitely not dead

this happened to run at the same time

people are a lot pickier about what GMK GBs they're joining now
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: zebus on Thu, 09 June 2022, 14:18:10
Oh. Seems like every set Iíve got in on lately has either been canceled, barely made moq and/or had to cancel a majority of the extra kits. I didnít have any interest in Mictlan.. apparently I just have bad taste. This set was a 10 for me.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: GMK83 on Thu, 09 June 2022, 14:32:14
Sad that this isnít running.  Such a nice set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: heavyheaded on Thu, 09 June 2022, 15:25:40
Damn, I need my polish subs!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 09 June 2022, 16:25:51
I think Mictlan is a great set. Itís just hard to sit side-by-side with such a massive price difference (and far higher MOQ).

I donít know the degree to which that made an actual difference, but it likely didnít help.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Zetina on Thu, 09 June 2022, 16:33:29
Hopefully we can see a re-run of the set in the near future, at the end of the day it's probably one of the best sets that have gone into GB this year.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: datfroyodoe on Thu, 09 June 2022, 20:21:32
I think Mictlan is a great set. It’s just hard to sit side-by-side with such a massive price difference (and far higher MOQ).

I don’t know the degree to which that made an actual difference, but it likely didn’t help.

having the 2 base kits didnt help either. i was on the fence the whole time deciding which base kit to buy and still i can't decide. the price also made is so that buying 2 base kits was out of the question.

a polish base kit + german addon would've been a better play or vice versa.

just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: actress on Thu, 09 June 2022, 20:38:07
truly surprised. Hope to see it rerun someday
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: XiXora on Thu, 09 June 2022, 20:41:23
Didn't expect this.
I thought it was pretty well kitted and had everything I wanted in it.

Hopefully, its just a timing issue and we can enjoy this at a future date.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: sntXrrr on Thu, 09 June 2022, 21:40:20
Too bad, I really like the color and mods. Hopefully we'll get another chance.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Chenson on Fri, 10 June 2022, 01:34:41
Sad that this is cancelled. I for sure hope this will run again in the near future.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Rilow on Fri, 10 June 2022, 01:54:59
This is so sad. Best set of the year. Hope it will run another time.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: firstworldproblems on Fri, 10 June 2022, 04:14:43
I really REALLY hope this set comes back later this year.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Minam on Fri, 10 June 2022, 09:10:36
Sucks. I was going to buy x2 base kits of this with intl kits. I just usually wait until the last day since why pay money 1 month earlier?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: gotgoodiez on Fri, 10 June 2022, 12:37:16
Rough, really wanted to pick this set up. Hopefully you can run it later at a better time.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: less_blank on Fri, 10 June 2022, 13:52:17
Damn was also gonna pick this up later in the month. Definitely a bummer, a set this good deserves to be made, hopefully itíll get another shot.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Sainity on Fri, 10 June 2022, 15:06:06
Same here. Very much looking forward to this set whenever it hits GB next time around.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Geroximo on Wed, 15 June 2022, 13:39:32
Damn, I just wanted to order 3 sets ....

This colorway is an absolute champ. A gem. A must-buy. This groupbuy has to happen someday.

I think the ridiculous GMK-waiting time might turn many people off. I'm currently waiting for 3 other GMK sets because they just cannot produce fast enough (amateurs).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Finite on Fri, 17 June 2022, 17:34:57
As noted in the GB thread, which should now be locked, the GMK Prussian Blue group buy has been canceled.  It became clear that this wasn't the right moment for GMK Prussian Blue.

The Geekhack mods have been kind enough to unlock this Interest Check thread to track the progress of this project in whatever form it may take in the future.

Oh no, I guess this is why there is such a push for buying in the first week. That sucks, I was waiting until my next paycheck to buy into the GB. I really hope to see this happen in the future, maybe still with GMK, or maybe PBTfans (because every designer and their mother seems to be turning towards them until GMK's new employees are fully trained and the backlog clears up). Though with how they're doing things, it might be hard to get this specific set to run through them, so idk, it's up to you and your infinite wisdom to determine what's right. Just know that I'll buy this no matter what form it takes on.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 20 June 2022, 09:31:28
Out of curiosity, why didnít you release final sales numbers? Those are really useful to the folks who are tracking statistics in the long term
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 20 June 2022, 12:10:48
Out of curiosity, why didnít you release final sales numbers? Those are really useful to the folks who are tracking statistics in the long term

I can ask my vendors, but I'm not sure how useful they'd actually be when we're not talking about final numbers.  Final sales are useful because there's a useful like-for-like basis to look at, but for a GB that lasted a week and then had to be canceled?  We didn't even have full up-to-date numbers for everyone at that point.

Had we not canceled already, I would have posted one-week sales numbers, but that just didn't happen.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: vladimir108 on Mon, 20 June 2022, 12:38:23
Out of curiosity, why didnít you release final sales numbers? Those are really useful to the folks who are tracking statistics in the long term

I can ask my vendors, but I'm not sure how useful they'd actually be when we're not talking about final numbers.  Final sales are useful because there's a useful like-for-like basis to look at, but for a GB that lasted a week and then had to be canceled?  We didn't even have full up-to-date numbers for everyone at that point.

Had we not canceled already, I would have posted one-week sales numbers, but that just didn't happen.

Please do ;-) I was ready for 2 sets.

One (late) note: Why "pudding" artisan?? Artisan: great, colour: great, shape: pudding???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pudding
I understand, that Hibi has been using this shape for previous keycaps, but ... why pro Prussians sets?
for example: Google: "symbol of prussian empire" = black eagle
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 20 June 2022, 12:42:28

Please do ;-) I was ready for 2 sets.

One (late) note: Why "pudding" artisan?? Artisan: great, colour: great, shape: pudding???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pudding
I understand, that Hibi has been using this shape for previous keycaps, but ... why pro Prussians sets?
for example: Google: "symbol of prussian empire" = black eagle

In regard to the Hibi, I just wanted to use one of their "house" designs, something that was collectible and that differs from their other similar caps solely by color.  I wasn't really intending on doing novelties for this set at all, and some of the old symbols of Prussia haven't aged very well and are widely used for nefarious meanings.  The eagle might have been okay, but I wouldn't have been able to get something with the level of detail of a typical heraldic symbol.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: vladimir108 on Mon, 20 June 2022, 12:55:45

Please do ;-) I was ready for 2 sets.

One (late) note: Why "pudding" artisan?? Artisan: great, colour: great, shape: pudding???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pudding
I understand, that Hibi has been using this shape for previous keycaps, but ... why pro Prussians sets?
for example: Google: "symbol of prussian empire" = black eagle

In regard to the Hibi, I just wanted to use one of their "house" designs, something that was collectible and that differs from their other similar caps solely by color.  I wasn't really intending on doing novelties for this set at all, and some of the old symbols of Prussia haven't aged very well and are widely used for nefarious meanings.  The eagle might have been okay, but I wouldn't have been able to get something with the level of detail of a typical heraldic symbol.

Understand, ... just in case of Release 1.1: what about "simplified crown"? (empire == crown)

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/set-crown-modern-thin-line-style-high-quality-black-outline-symbols-web-site-design-mobile-apps-simple-linear-88151601.jpg)
(https://i.etsystatic.com/11334985/r/il/9fc11d/2361840552/il_794xN.2361840552_o231.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: DeMechanica on Mon, 20 June 2022, 17:12:57
I was down for this set, hadnít bought in yet due to timing. Canít wait for it when it eventually (hopefully?) runs!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Shorle on Fri, 24 June 2022, 16:31:47
The cancellation saddens me, this set was a perfect fit. I love the colour way and previous GBs in a similar colour didn't offer NorDe support at all. This kit has my coveted German support from the get go which makes this a banger deal for any German writing enthusiast wanting something else than OG Cherry keycaps. My initial plan was to pledge my support with day1 purchases but reason got the better of me and I was going to buy 3-4 sets at the end of the month. I guess it wouldn't have made a difference.
I understand the "competition" for our money with Mictlan but Mictlan sadly doesn't offer any NorDe.
I hope this gets a re-run soon, maybe after GMK gets their production in line and fixes those crooked letters so it's for the better for us after all.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: ThreadyKeycaps on Fri, 24 June 2022, 21:48:08
simple but cool!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: OmegaZero55 on Sat, 25 June 2022, 19:26:53
I hope this set does come back in the future. The timing was just bad for me, so that's why I didn't buy it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 01 August 2022, 10:21:45
Just a quick note here that while I don't have a timeline yet, I have begun getting quotes and putting together art assets for a DCS version of Prussian Blue.

Things of note:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: ankit on Mon, 01 August 2022, 10:58:48
100% in for a DCS version, especially with Gorton modified. Can't wait for this.  :thumb:  :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: mundhra on Mon, 01 August 2022, 11:29:36
great news, very hype for PB
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: HalfScrim on Mon, 01 August 2022, 11:49:46
Definitely down to have this set in DCS. Looking forward to more updates
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Rilow on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:00:18
Please not DCS. Go for GMK again at another time.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: panka on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:09:05
**** YES
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:22:46
Please not DCS. Go for GMK again at another time.

The planned DCS run will not prevent another attempt at a GMK run.  The second attempt is going to have to wait for GMK hate to die down anyway, so the goal is to have a route to a viable product in the meantime that I and others can enjoy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Jampot_298 on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:26:31
Thank you for DCS! :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: The0rigina1 on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:31:07
Please not DCS. Go for GMK again at another time.
Are you aware of the definition of insanity?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: The0rigina1 on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:31:32
Just a quick note here that while I don't have a timeline yet, I have begun getting quotes and putting together art assets for a DCS version of Prussian Blue.

Things of note:
  • Legends would use a Gorton / Wyse typeface, as SP has nearly all of the German language modifiers in this style. Any new legends will attempt to follow the same style.
  • Instead of two base kits, I am aiming to have one base mods kit and two alpha kit options. 
    • The base mods kit will include support for most 40s, 60s, 65s, 75s, and TKL.  It will also include Alice support, though the short bars will unfortunately have to be concave blanks.
    • Numpad will have a separate kit (as that is more affordable to separate out in SP).
    • The primary alpha kit will include support for US, UK, and Polish layouts (with the Polish sublegends optional).
    • The second alpha kit will support standard ISO NorDe layouts as well as both ANSI-DE variants (R2 1.50u #' and R1 1u #').
  • German language modifiers will be contained in a small supplemental addon kit.
  • Ergodoxian support is being reworked and may be omitted  :(
  • This version will target the same RAL color for the blue and will use a stock SP white.
Please show kitting, I'm effing hyped
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 01 August 2022, 12:40:53
Please show kitting, I'm effing hyped

Kitting is still in flux, but I'd be willing to show some details on my discord server.  Right now I'm working from KLE diagrams, however, and the actual icons and typeface present there aren't going to match the eventual product.  I'm still in the process of putting together vectors of all those legends so that they can be rendered properly.  Even said renders will still contain inaccuracies, but they should be a great deal better than the present state of affairs.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Rilow on Mon, 01 August 2022, 13:56:36
Please not DCS. Go for GMK again at another time.
Are you aware of the definition of insanity?

What are you implying?
Maybe you're new to this hobby, but several cancelled sets have later ran successfully.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Friendship on Mon, 01 August 2022, 14:06:40
Now this is exciting! With all the DCS love I have been seeing lately, I do wish there was a push to have convex mini spacebar molds made
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 01 August 2022, 14:48:16
Now this is exciting! With all the DCS love I have been seeing lately, I do wish there was a push to have convex mini spacebar molds made

anyone who is willing to pay for it can likely have it done, it's just expensive and GB numbers are low so people are trying to keep prices down
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Friendship on Mon, 01 August 2022, 15:56:27
Now this is exciting! With all the DCS love I have been seeing lately, I do wish there was a push to have convex mini spacebar molds made

anyone who is willing to pay for it can likely have it done, it's just expensive and GB numbers are low so people are trying to keep prices down

ahh unfortunate but makes sense, maybe some day!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Mon, 01 August 2022, 22:40:44
My understanding is that SP is already planning to create convex moulds for short bars in DCS, but the timeline for that is slow. It took them quite a while to get bars made for SA, and I donít know whether DCS or DSA is their next priority.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: paulgali on Tue, 02 August 2022, 01:37:26
Oh im all in for DCS LETS GOOOOOO
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: acerb on Tue, 02 August 2022, 03:39:00
Would those be Double Shot? Sorry for my ignorance of the SP DCS molds...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 02 August 2022, 05:56:42
Would those be Double Shot? Sorry for my ignorance of the SP DCS molds...

DCS is available in both dyesub and doubleshot. This set would be doubleshot ABS.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: jtqx on Tue, 02 August 2022, 12:19:29
My understanding is that SP is already planning to create convex moulds for short bars in DCS, but the timeline for that is slow. It took them quite a while to get bars made for SA, and I donít know whether DCS or DSA is their next priority.

Not sure if alice bars will be kept for the DCS base kit but I'm here to suggest they should not be.

I acknowledge that buying these bars in a separate kit will be more costly for those who want it.
However, I personally, as a user of layouts that require the short spacebars, will never use non-convex spacebars. I do think that this sentiment is shared by the majority. Non-convex spacebars are weird, and I might as well be using my shift keys. The difference between it being blank and having legends is negligible to me because it is already in a wrong profile.
Happy to be proven wrong with stats from any ICs because these are just based on my observations.

Therefore, I think in the climate of the high prices of DCS/SP base kits, and the rising USD, its better if base kits can be less bloated to reduce costs.

Of course, the best case is to have convex moulds available, in which case I would love for it to be included. But as you said, timelines are long and it will likely not be done in time for this GB.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Tue, 02 August 2022, 12:59:21
Not sure if alice bars will be kept for the DCS base kit but I'm here to suggest they should not be.

Decisions of this sort will be made based on actual quotes.  While concave blanks are clearly not optimal for use as short bars, there are many who would want them anyway in lieu of just using Shift keys or the like.  Until I get actual quotes back, however, it is not clear whether they'll work best as part of a base mods kit versus a separate spacebar kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 02 August 2022, 14:28:57
Not sure if alice bars will be kept for the DCS base kit but I'm here to suggest they should not be.

Decisions of this sort will be made based on actual quotes.  While concave blanks are clearly not optimal for use as short bars, there are many who would want them anyway in lieu of just using Shift keys or the like.  Until I get actual quotes back, however, it is not clear whether they'll work best as part of a base mods kit versus a separate spacebar kit.

neither here nor there but it was a pretty small difference in the dark sky base kit to add them vs keep them out of the base kit. the market data i have shows that alice users don't like using legended caps for their spacebars. but up to you
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Prussian Blue - GB Indefinitely Postponed
Post by: MMJ1999 on Mon, 26 September 2022, 21:06:42
Cooool!