Post by: Qarmaa on Thu, 13 January 2022, 00:37:45
It's coming back. This time around with R5 bottom row and extended support for most of the modern layouts.
(https://i.imgur.com/t1H5T0H.jpg)
I love WoB and I love sublegends (who doesn't?). This set already became a classics.
I stay true to original with the colors, style of mods and purse caps lock as well as sublegends being UV printed not doubleshotted -- color is what makes it pop to me among the other sets. And of course being a classic set, it deserves R5 bottom row. ZF granted me a permission to make second run and they will be one of the proxies for this round too.
KITS
(https://i.imgur.com/v622zoI.png) (https://i.imgur.com/zYEJWdf.png)
Colors: WS1/CR + AE (https://i.imgur.com/zt6gisD.png) UV for sublegends
RENDERS
(https://i.imgur.com/CnkB6e7.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Lo07qB5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jzJ36c5.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/FzWrZJx.jpg)
F13, split bars and second B not in base?
There is a lot of things I wanted to add in base as well as do something good for the community (the same way I did an icon mods addon when running WoB Red Cyrillic (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114783.0)). But unlike WoB Red Cyrillic, I wanted this set to be less self-contained and offer compat for earlier rounds of WoBs and current one that on Drop. You can think about extentions kit as missing keys for other WoBs. Extentions includes support for single and double XT row with R4 and R5 compat (and yes, it's stays "PF" as "Programmable function" not "M" -- because it makes more sense in my head this way), split bars support, 6u centered spacebar, F13, another B, windowed keys and various other keys.
Changes
All of the legends placement now follows the official US-International layout (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_American_keyboards#/media/File:KB_US-International.svg).
In detals
- ², ³, €, ¥, «, » glyphs now following legend order how it's in the layout itself (Alt Gr + 2 gives ² → legend takes first order (bottom left), Alt Gr + Shift + 1 gives ¹ → legend takes second order (top left), same rule applied to the rest). I get why it's done how it's done -- to keep the logic of same group of sings in one row but still think the proper placement is more important.
- since | and ¦ are different legends in unicode and they both present in the layout, I decided to kept both applying the same rule as above, ¬ repositioned according to rules (fist sublegend with Alt Gr activated goes to bottom left)
xbox delete bsublegend is gone, there is no place for it and it would ruin the logic on mods if I'll try to put it as a front printxbox backspace sub exists on alternative pipe
Rest of the changes
- ¨ legend (https://i.imgur.com/73Q58E4.png) was outdated and got replaced (https://i.imgur.com/oI1t3Os.png),
same goes for Ç(props to Lightning) - Control and Lock sublegends on the Caps Lock and Control buttons repositioned -- it's just stylistic desidion, I think it looks better this way
- "Num" + front print "lock" now just "Num Lock", same for "Scroll" + front print "Lock"
- UK-ISO front print
- full "page up" and "page down" instead of their shorter variants
Shout out to: fropsie, Bachoo for old renders, Jae for helping with ISO, Poes for picture of R1, Skok for current renders
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Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 13 January 2022, 05:39:21
Similarly, #~ would go on the front of all other backslash pipe keys.
Another consideration: the Mac symbols don’t actually make a ton of sense in this setup, as Apple has a different implementation of US International than what is used by Windows and Unix. I would frankly just ditch the command symbols and option legends.
Post by: Zurg Eon on Thu, 13 January 2022, 06:09:06
The circle on top of Å on the W-key is too thin in the render. If new molds are made for this key, please make sure that the circle has the correct thickness.
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Post by: XiXora on Thu, 13 January 2022, 07:48:53
I like the Mac mods, personally. Would work nice on my HHKBs too.
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Post by: Tyson on Thu, 13 January 2022, 09:59:38
In for both kits!
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Post by: Tyson on Thu, 13 January 2022, 10:55:59
I feel like this is going to be a tough sell against triple-shot JTK Griseann (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109555.0\), which is shipping this quarter (supposedly), and will have lots and lots of extras (probably 1500+, looking at the numbers).
Bigggggg doubt, GMK > JTK by a long shot imo. While I really like Hoodrow, I'm not a fan of JTK at all.
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 13 January 2022, 11:14:24
I feel like this is going to be a tough sell against triple-shot JTK Griseann (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109555.0\), which is shipping this quarter (supposedly), and will have lots and lots of extras (probably 1500+, looking at the numbers).
Bigggggg doubt, GMK > JTK by a long shot imo. While I really like Hoodrow, I'm not a fan of JTK at all.
qualitywise they are about equal in my experience, same with SP. personally i'd rather have the JTK because it's tripleshot instead of pad print, but that's just preference
i think GMK griseann is one of the most in demand reruns of all time, and i like the updated legends
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 13 January 2022, 11:15:35
Please add R4:Backslash/Pipe
what layouts is this used on?
Post by: kiyoboard on Thu, 13 January 2022, 12:02:04
I feel like this is going to be a tough sell against triple-shot JTK Griseann (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109555.0\), which is shipping this quarter (supposedly), and will have lots and lots of extras (probably 1500+, looking at the numbers).
Bigggggg doubt, GMK > JTK by a long shot imo. While I really like Hoodrow, I'm not a fan of JTK at all.
How is GMK much better than JTK? Most if not all issues that are happening with JTK are happening with GMK as well. Misaligned letters(check the 'Z' key), thickness issues(check skinny '?'), sometimes warped spacebars. And to their list of issues they recently added not properly sized 3u spacebars and different textured keys in the same set. So, I think they both have advantages over each other, rather than one being way better than another. Triple shot and price(though recent JTK prices are also not super cheap, they came with a pretty big layout support) are also big plus.
Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Thu, 13 January 2022, 12:16:20
Post by: Qarmaa on Thu, 13 January 2022, 12:18:24
R4 bottom row
One of my reasoning why I wanted to do Red Cyrillic and Griseann R5 is because R4 is avaiable on regular Drop and it's not hard to get. R5 rather tough to find and will cost a lot as separate kit. Though I'm doing the set with the community and would appreciate the feedback on it. So I setup a survey: https://forms.gle/LdzwiZFrRReSLdhf9. If you care about it, please choose one of the options.
40s support & 1u spacebar key
3 keys for 40s support will be added to extension kit as well as 1u spacebar
Non-purse caps lock & xbox backspace
I really want to keep purse caps, it fit subleged on it better than regular caps icon. Regarding of xbox backspace: it was a tough desidion but I prefer to stick to layout when we talking about bringing back the icon as sublegend on the pipe. As dedecated 1.5u it really looks not ok.
R4 backslash/pipe
Will be added as sublegends.
Ç symbol
Please note that on the renders it's not the proper size or either 100% accurate because it's traced. Please check GMK Greek Beige how it's gonna look irl. Fix for the renders pending.
Mac/HHKB symbols
Still thinking on what to do with them. Originally I thought it would be nice addition more as a novelties rather than to pair with Mac US-Int layout. Prob will be removed.
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Post by: Qarmaa on Thu, 13 January 2022, 13:16:55
I'm very confused in regards to the kitting decisions here. The 3 key wasn't added to base, the spacebars are part of a massive extension kit that most people won't use 10% of. I'm just curious as to how this is the most efficient way of doing things, unless you're being strongarmed by your vendors to cut down on kitting. While I appreciate the addition of some 40s friendly keys, still having to pay for all available kits kinda ruins that for me personally.The reasoning for extensions kit is explained in 1st post. Please refer to that. 40s not gonna be in base. From my side I'll try to provide good price for it.
Post by: Tyson on Thu, 13 January 2022, 13:35:58
I feel like this is going to be a tough sell against triple-shot JTK Griseann (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109555.0\), which is shipping this quarter (supposedly), and will have lots and lots of extras (probably 1500+, looking at the numbers).
Bigggggg doubt, GMK > JTK by a long shot imo. While I really like Hoodrow, I'm not a fan of JTK at all.
How is GMK much better than JTK? Most if not all issues that are happening with JTK are happening with GMK as well. Misaligned letters(check the 'Z' key), thickness issues(check skinny '?'), sometimes warped spacebars. And to their list of issues they recently added not properly sized 3u spacebars and different textured keys in the same set. So, I think they both have advantages over each other, rather than one being way better than another. Triple shot and price(though recent JTK prices are also not super cheap, they came with a pretty big layout support) are also big plus.
Ehh, I guess it's just down to preference for me. I just don't like the texture of JTK caps, the one JTK set that I've owned, JTK Tianwen. There were minor things that stood out to me that I never see with GMK caps. The plastic that was shot into the caps to make the legends looked separated and had it's own texture to it. I also disliked how inconsistent the thickness was for certain mod legends and alpha legends. Something about the shape of the caps felt more OEM than cherry to me. I'm sure a lot of people don't have these issues with JTK but these were my main gripes with their caps. I do like that they are advancing their technology and making triple shot a reality! What they are doing for the community is fantastic!
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 13 January 2022, 14:04:48
The render, as it is now, is showing a ς letter (GREEK lowercase final S, U+03c2), instead of a Ç (LATIN uppercase C with cedilla), which is the character(s) [upper and lowercase: Ç and ç, U+00c7 and U+00e7] actually produced by the US International layout (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Interactive-Comparator-of-Different-National-Layouts/?left=enUSin&right=random).
I also would review the front-printing on the R3 \| keycap: in the UK layout, # is in the base layer, and ~ is in the Shift layer, so I'd expect them to be in the inverse order: #~.
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 13 January 2022, 14:11:45
Ç symbol
Please note that on the renders it's not the proper size or either 100% accurate because it's traced. Please check GMK Greek Beige how it's gonna look irl. Fix for the renders pending.
This confirms my suspicion: please be advised that ς and Ç are NOT different renderings of the same character and don't even represent the same letter in their respective alphabets; this particular change is actually an error that should be rolled back.
Post by: lemongrassii on Thu, 13 January 2022, 14:13:26
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Post by: Qarmaa on Thu, 13 January 2022, 14:35:29
Wait... what's going on with the Ç symbol?Thanks for a heads up. Both things will be fixed.
The render, as it is now, is showing a ς letter (GREEK lowercase final S, U+03c2), instead of a Ç (LATIN uppercase C with cedilla), which is the character(s) [upper and lowercase: Ç and ç, U+00c7 and U+00e7] actually produced by the US International layout (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Interactive-Comparator-of-Different-National-Layouts/?left=enUSin&right=random).
I also would review the front-printing on the R3 \| keycap: in the UK layout, # is in the base layer, and ~ is in the Shift layer, so I'd expect them to be in the inverse order: #~.
Super happy to see this, really missed not having shinethrough caps with JTK. That being said, the purse icon looks disproportionately wide in the renders, can that be understood as an inaccuracy or are you planning on getting a new mold made?It's just a render thing. Will be using trusted old one =)
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Post by: hineybush on Fri, 14 January 2022, 00:11:22
tyvm
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Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 14 January 2022, 11:04:14
I'd really love to have r4 over r5, but realize I am probably in the minority. Would you be open to doing a child kit for the bottom row? Either a r5 or a traditional r4 kit?
typically these kits don't do that well at GB, but as an r4 preferrer, i'm not opposed to trying
Post by: MK47 on Fri, 14 January 2022, 11:29:21
Post by: Ensaum on Fri, 14 January 2022, 12:30:25
I'd really love to have r4 over r5, but realize I am probably in the minority. Would you be open to doing a child kit for the bottom row? Either a r5 or a traditional r4 kit?
typically these kits don't do that well at GB, but as an r4 preferrer, i'm not opposed to trying
Tbh, I really only need it for left alt because that's what I use to crouch/slide in games. R5 is kinda weird to slide you thumb onto from the spacebar.
I do have vanilla WoB though, so worst case I can steal left alt from that set.
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Post by: actress on Fri, 14 January 2022, 14:29:19
Straight bangers from you indeed
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Post by: jagger27 on Mon, 17 January 2022, 09:42:58
Sad to see the HHKB sublegends go but if I'm the only one fighting for that… 🤷♂️
Which subs, and do you mean sideprints? Alt + Opt is there, did you want HHKB arrow subs? That'd be pretty cool, as well as Del on ~`, but those would both be weird on non-60% boards. The rest, like volume, page up, page down, etc. aren't that interesting, in my opinion.
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 17 January 2022, 16:31:23
I'd really love to have r4 over r5, but realize I am probably in the minority. Would you be open to doing a child kit for the bottom row? Either a r5 or a traditional r4 kit?
typically these kits don't do that well at GB, but as an r4 preferrer, i'm not opposed to trying
Tbh, I really only need it for left alt because that's what I use to crouch/slide in games. R5 is kinda weird to slide you thumb onto from the spacebar.
I do have vanilla WoB though, so worst case I can steal left alt from that set.
see if you can find like a partial OG set with r4 bottom row, that might also be pretty good and won't require you to break up the vanilla set
Post by: coolguyzayn on Mon, 17 January 2022, 19:15:17
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 17 January 2022, 19:41:12
For the Extensions kit, can you consider also including shine-through regular caps icon kinda like how gmk metaverse had both purse and non-purse caps lock included?
If these aren't added you should check out https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111537.0
That kit hasn't shipped yet but should be soon and will work with this set, Metaverse, WoB and others I'm sure, just can't think of every WoB esque set right now! There should be a ton of extras for it too and I don't think they will move crazy fast (Could be wrong though, not too sure who likes small kits like this)! I made sure to join during GB since it's such a versatile kit!
Post by: coolguyzayn on Mon, 17 January 2022, 20:17:35
For the Extensions kit, can you consider also including shine-through regular caps icon kinda like how gmk metaverse had both purse and non-purse caps lock included?
If these aren't added you should check out https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111537.0
That kit hasn't shipped yet but should be soon and will work with this set, Metaverse, WoB and others I'm sure, just can't think of every WoB esque set right now! There should be a ton of extras for it too and I don't think they will move crazy fast (Could be wrong though, not too sure who likes small kits like this)! I made sure to join during GB since it's such a versatile kit!
Thanks for sharing this, however, I probably should've clarified that I was talking about adding a shine-through caps lock to go with the icon mod kit I bought from gmk wob red cyrillic.
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 18 January 2022, 18:01:46
I'd add the UK R4 [|\] front print on the R4 [><] key to match everything else.
+1
Post by: tommyhongg on Tue, 18 January 2022, 21:07:01
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 19 January 2022, 08:28:58
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1Aeepzz.jpg)
Ç symbol
Please note that on the renders it's not the proper size or either 100% accurate because it's traced. Please check GMK Greek Beige how it's gonna look irl. Fix for the renders pending.
That's not supposed to be a Greek letter word-final sigma: ς, but rather an (uppercase) Latin letter C with cedilla: Ç. Therefore, the legend in GMK Greek Beige is not appropriate.
Incorrect:
(https://i.imgur.com/l48ukG0.png) (https://i.imgur.com/kMmUTei.png)
Correct:
(https://i.imgur.com/XxiCyC1.png)
Also, the micro sign sublegend: µ on the M key is too small. It should be approximately the same size as a lowercase Latin letter or other miscellaneous symbols (€, ×, ÷ etc.).
Incorrect:
(https://i.imgur.com/LgFU9fF.png)
Correct:
(https://i.imgur.com/2N9pQVd.png)
Here's a recording (https://i.imgur.com/Zpp3sBf.gif) of the actual layout in action and the characters it outputs.
Finally, it looks like some of the diacritics in the current base kit render are too small, specifically those on: Å, Á, É, Ú, Í, Ó. You'll probably want to fix that at some point.
Post by: Qarmaa on Wed, 19 January 2022, 15:17:45
As I said earlier, those are mostly render issues. Will be fixed with next update.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1Aeepzz.jpg)Ç symbol
Please note that on the renders it's not the proper size or either 100% accurate because it's traced. Please check GMK Greek Beige how it's gonna look irl. Fix for the renders pending.
That's not supposed to be a Greek letter word-final sigma: ς, but rather an (uppercase) Latin letter C with cedilla: Ç. Therefore, the legend in GMK Greek Beige is not appropriate.
Incorrect:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/l48ukG0.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kMmUTei.png)
Correct:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XxiCyC1.png)
Also, the micro sign sublegend: µ on the M key is too small. It should be approximately the same size as a lowercase Latin letter or other miscellaneous symbols (€, ×, ÷ etc.).
Incorrect:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LgFU9fF.png)
Correct:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/2N9pQVd.png)
Here's a recording (https://i.imgur.com/Zpp3sBf.gif) of the actual layout in action and the characters it outputs.
Finally, it looks like some of the diacritics in the current base kit render are too small, specifically those on: Å, Á, É, Ú, Í, Ó. You'll probably want to fix that at some point.
Post by: Qarmaa on Sat, 22 January 2022, 21:44:25
(https://i.imgur.com/t1H5T0H.jpg)
This likely will be a final kitting:
(https://i.imgur.com/FfCnYSe.png) (https://i.imgur.com/xKBxUXm.png)
Based on survey on R4/R5 bottom row, R5 won, so we'll going with it.
(https://i.imgur.com/iEFkAT7.png)
(as of 22.01.2022, not including my vote)
Changes in base kit:
- xbox backspace sublegend on pipe as separate key in honor to original run
- Mac icons from 1.5u Supers and 1u Alts removed
- swapped UK-ISO legends on R3 pipe
- added front print on R4 <>
- added R3 dedicated “Control”
- fixed Ç sublegend (tho it would not affect the final product since I'm reusing all of the sublegends from original design except ¨ (https://i.imgur.com/73Q58E4.png), that one will be replaced with proper one as previously stated (https://i.imgur.com/oI1t3Os.png))
Changes in extensions:
- added another 1u spacebar key
- removed 6u off-centered spacebar
- added minimal 40s support
- removed blanks keys
- windowed caps are text now so they fit any WoB and will not look out of place
I addressed most of the feedback. Can't please everyone but I did my best to implement the changes people want the most. There is some thing I wanted to keep, that includes purse caps, icon only mods. This things will stay as they are now.
Quite a few people asked about R0. Sorry, I can't do it, it would dramatically increase the price and personally I don't see use for it (I do admit that looks cool tho).
In current state extensions kit gonna be around $45 to $50 and for someone it would be tough to swallow. But it's a support that missing in the regular WoB and I really want to give it to people so they could buy it separately and use with any WoB.
There was few requests about beige or white version. I'm not really into Royal Alpha color scheme, but I do like beige. If I was making beige addon/base, I would do it doubleshotted. Sadly there is not much demand for it, so maybe it will happen at some point, not now though.
That's all for today folks. In next update pricing, list of the vendors and GB date will be posted. See ya then.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 22 January 2022, 22:55:53
F13 in base, as 88 key TKLs have become pretty common and it's effectively a standard layout these days
split out second B and spacebars into their own kit, generally alice users will be buying the spacebars anyway, and not everyone who wants the extension kit (macro column layout users especially!) will need the spacebars. i know it adds a SKU but i think it's a pretty good kitting move.
otherwise looks great to me
Post by: ahpeace112 on Sat, 22 January 2022, 23:54:42
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 23 January 2022, 09:53:52
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FdEFNJA.png)
The front-printed legend placement on R4 <>|\ does not match that on R3 \|#~. In the latter key's case, the character on the left is the base legend (#), while the character on the right (~) is the shifted legend. Well, it's the opposite on the R4 key.
Since this way of positioning legends horizontally is also the more common one (base – left, shifted – right), I suggest changing the R4 key so that the backslash is on the left, i.e. \|.
I also suggest avoiding such a large gap between the two front-printed legends.
Post by: actress on Sun, 23 January 2022, 10:52:17
two recommendations:
F13 in base, as 88 key TKLs have become pretty common and it's effectively a standard layout these days
split out second B and spacebars into their own kit, generally alice users will be buying the spacebars anyway, and not everyone who wants the extension kit (macro column layout users especially!) will need the spacebars. i know it adds a SKU but i think it's a pretty good kitting move.
otherwise looks great to me
Agree with this.
Can't wait for GB!
Post by: Qarmaa on Sun, 23 January 2022, 14:30:00
Noted, thank you. //updated base kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/FdEFNJA.png)
The front-printed legend placement on R4 <>|\ does not match that on R3 \|#~. In the latter key's case, the character on the left is the base legend (#), while the character on the right (~) is the shifted legend. Well, it's the opposite on the R4 key.
Since this way of positioning legends horizontally is also the more common one (base – left, shifted – right), I suggest changing the R4 key so that the backslash is on the left, i.e. \|.
I also suggest avoiding such a large gap between the two front-printed legends.
Post by: Kinesiologist on Sun, 23 January 2022, 16:13:31
Post by: hali on Sun, 23 January 2022, 17:18:04
Post by: Qarmaa on Sun, 23 January 2022, 17:34:15
isn't the point of 3-key 40s in base to allow 40s users to have support without buying a $40+ kit? what's the intention to adding minimal 40s support to a kit with eighteen macro keys?As I previously stated, none of that end up being in the base kit, sorry. I explained why in 1st post. You can always split extensions kit with someone.
Post by: hali on Sun, 23 January 2022, 20:16:54
Post by: TyPo.mk on Sun, 23 January 2022, 21:32:40
isn't the point of 3-key 40s in base to allow 40s users to have support without buying a $40+ kit? what's the intention to adding minimal 40s support to a kit with eighteen macro keys?. You can always split extensions kit with someone.
This is the worst response to kitting criticisms I’ve ever heard
Post by: andreiborisov on Mon, 24 January 2022, 09:33:05
Post by: autocast on Mon, 24 January 2022, 19:00:51
Post by: kcching on Tue, 25 January 2022, 04:27:23
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 25 January 2022, 11:59:02
see if you can find like a partial OG set with r4 bottom row, that might also be pretty good and won't require you to break up the vanilla set
No hate. I saw someone do this in a r/mm post and decided to try it. Actually very comfortable to hit with my thumb, and I wouldn't have to source a whole set for it.
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Legend is just goofy looking.
Post by: Qarmaa on Tue, 25 January 2022, 18:49:46
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 25 January 2022, 19:22:59
Decided to split macros and other extensions to reduce cost of the extensions if you buying multiple one (if you need one kit for regular WoB and another for Griseann). Kits submitted for quotes.
Good decision. I wish more runners would do this. Being forced to pay for 18u worth of macro keys when you have no use for them really sucks.
Post by: hali on Tue, 25 January 2022, 19:51:21
Post by: matthewdias on Tue, 25 January 2022, 22:24:18
- r2 1u Escape
- r2 1u backspace
- r3 1.75 enter
Feel like the bare minimum in addition to what's there currently
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Post by: Qarmaa on Tue, 25 January 2022, 22:44:33
Any chance we could get some more 40s keys added in extension kit? If I have to pay $160+ as 40s user, it would be nice to have correct legends for popular 40s boards.Kitting is final, there will be no more changes.
- r2 1u Escape
- r2 1u backspace
- r3 1.75 enter
Feel like the bare minimum in addition to what's there currently
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Post by: ankit on Wed, 26 January 2022, 14:46:19
Post by: treeleaf64 on Wed, 26 January 2022, 14:55:52
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 26 January 2022, 15:03:18
Decided to split macros and other extensions to reduce cost of the extensions if you buying multiple one (if you need one kit for regular WoB and another for Griseann). Kits submitted for quotes.
looks good to me, i still believe in splitting bars out but it's honestly fine this way
Post by: spacecables on Wed, 26 January 2022, 18:29:39
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 27 January 2022, 03:32:56
Post by: keai on Thu, 27 January 2022, 05:53:22
Post by: AT on Thu, 27 January 2022, 06:18:30
Post by: Qarmaa on Thu, 27 January 2022, 12:13:02
Base kit - $135 @ 500 MOQ
Extension kit - $40 @ 150 MOQ
Macro kit - $40 @ 150 MOQ
Post by: chive_ on Thu, 27 January 2022, 17:15:32
Pricing for NA are in.
Base kit - $135 @ 500 MOQ
Extension kit - $40 @ 150 MOQ
Macro kit - $40 @ 150 MOQ
Alright I'm sold, any idea of a GB date?
Post by: Tyson on Thu, 27 January 2022, 19:34:08
Pricing for NA are in.
Base kit - $135 @ 500 MOQ
Extension kit - $40 @ 150 MOQ
Macro kit - $40 @ 150 MOQ
Alright I'm sold, any idea of a GB date?
If he just posted pricing that means the GB is imminent for sometime soon. Typically a set would post Pricing until a few days or weeks before the GB. My guess, Feb. 1st but it could be sooner or later than that date.
Post by: totoro3 on Tue, 01 February 2022, 18:07:06
Post by: yui_ on Mon, 07 February 2022, 12:31:13
I also understand the suggestion of simply getting the bottom row from another set, but Griseann is different from most other sets by the inclusion the coloured legends on the bottom row, combining with another set will lose a part of what 'makes' Griseann, well, Griseann... I wonder whether just including the pad printed R4 keys in one of the extension kits, leaving us to gather the rest of the R4 keys ourselves, could be a good compromise? I almost exclusively use my thumbs for the bottom row keys which makes R5 highly uncomfortable T_T
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 07 February 2022, 14:10:06
I understand the move for choosing R5 with the results of the poll, but I also think that it's close enough that a seperate kit adding R4 bottom row would comfortably hit MOQ.
looking at similar kits in other GBs it actually doesn't make MOQ that often, at least in the last 4-6 months.
Post by: Saks on Mon, 07 February 2022, 15:08:50
But the extension without purse caps lock just looks from other kit imo. Adding the windowed and being only caps as text with all other mods (tab, shift, enter, backspace) icon will look strange.
But ok! gl with the GB!
Post by: mr_foggy on Tue, 08 February 2022, 04:18:05
Post by: Qarmaa on Mon, 14 February 2022, 12:21:38
I understand the move for choosing R5 with the results of the poll, but I also think that it's close enough that a seperate kit adding R4 bottom row would comfortably hit MOQ.Sorry, but people decided on the bottom row, and my personal preference is going to R5 as well. I tried to minimize the amount of kits so everything will hit MOQ without vendors having to buy it out (tho I'm concernedabout Macros kit).
I also understand the suggestion of simply getting the bottom row from another set, but Griseann is different from most other sets by the inclusion the coloured legends on the bottom row, combining with another set will lose a part of what 'makes' Griseann, well, Griseann... I wonder whether just including the pad printed R4 keys in one of the extension kits, leaving us to gather the rest of the R4 keys ourselves, could be a good compromise? I almost exclusively use my thumbs for the bottom row keys which makes R5 highly uncomfortable T_T
GB tentatively scheduled for June.
Post by: Belled on Mon, 14 February 2022, 19:05:21
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 15 February 2022, 21:16:34
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FfCnYSe.png)
I just noticed that a R5 1u Meta or Fn key is missing in the base kit. Since this set uses R5, the R4 Fn key can't be used on the bottom row. Some 65%, 75%, 1800/CP etc. layouts require having a 1u Meta/Fn key on the bottom row.
Post by: Qarmaa on Wed, 16 February 2022, 03:24:39
Sure, I'll add that.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FfCnYSe.png)
I just noticed that a R5 1u Meta or Fn key is missing in the base kit. Since this set uses R5, the R4 Fn key can't be used on the bottom row. Some 65%, 75%, 1800/CP etc. layouts require having a 1u Meta/Fn key on the bottom row.
Post by: 7 on Wed, 16 February 2022, 03:32:44
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Post by: autumnfall on Mon, 25 April 2022, 19:49:05
Post by: GMK83 on Wed, 04 May 2022, 06:33:55
Post by: actress on Sat, 14 May 2022, 17:15:53
Post by: stomaha on Sat, 21 May 2022, 18:55:26
Post by: Sandy on Sat, 21 May 2022, 20:03:36
Hope this comes accross as constructive
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Sat, 21 May 2022, 20:43:43
Why not JTK R2 and involve Hoodrow? GMK doesn't have triple shot and while a lot of people are okay with pad print uv, the capability is there and is shipping very soon. Plus there will be extras and probably a lot of them. After learning that the legends are risen, able to be felt, and supposedly ware off eventually (although more durable now) I just feel like sublegends on gmk are forced.
Hope this comes accross as constructive
So you want a JTK R2 when R1 hasn't shipped and there will be extras eventually? Just buy the extras then? Kinda confusing. Griseann was originally done with GMK. People have been asking for a rerun despite the JTK GB from nearly 2 years ago. Nothing is forced.
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Sat, 21 May 2022, 21:08:41
There are clearly some fans of that idea, which is great! But will there be enough to make this a viable business venture?
Post by: Qarmaa on Sun, 22 May 2022, 09:16:39
Why not JTK R2 and involve Hoodrow? GMK doesn't have triple shot and while a lot of people are okay with pad print uv, the capability is there and is shipping very soon. Plus there will be extras and probably a lot of them. After learning that the legends are risen, able to be felt, and supposedly ware off eventually (although more durable now) I just feel like sublegends on gmk are forced.There is couple of reasons why I want it in GMK. It's R5, correct legends/correct legends positions and additional keys that JTK doesn't have molds for. And I'm generally prefer GMK quality over JTK.
Hope this comes accross as constructive
Post by: WhiskyBoi99 on Mon, 23 May 2022, 18:17:52
Will you be running any collabs?
Post by: sup3r170va on Mon, 23 May 2022, 18:45:18
Post by: ideus on Wed, 15 June 2022, 09:40:43
Why not JTK R2 and involve Hoodrow? GMK doesn't have triple shot and while a lot of people are okay with pad print uv, the capability is there and is shipping very soon. Plus there will be extras and probably a lot of them. After learning that the legends are risen, able to be felt, and supposedly ware off eventually (although more durable now) I just feel like sublegends on gmk are forced.There is couple of reasons why I want it in GMK. It's R5, correct legends/correct legends positions and additional keys that JTK doesn't have molds for. And I'm generally prefer GMK quality over JTK.
Hope this comes accross as constructive
How do their lead times compare? GMK is long; but, I think JTK is even longer, right?
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 15 June 2022, 10:27:41
How do their lead times compare? GMK is long; but, I think JTK is even longer, right?Why not JTK R2 and involve Hoodrow? GMK doesn't have triple shot and while a lot of people are okay with pad print uv, the capability is there and is shipping very soon. Plus there will be extras and probably a lot of them. After learning that the legends are risen, able to be felt, and supposedly ware off eventually (although more durable now) I just feel like sublegends on gmk are forced.There is couple of reasons why I want it in GMK. It's R5, correct legends/correct legends positions and additional keys that JTK doesn't have molds for. And I'm generally prefer GMK quality over JTK.
Hope this comes accross as constructive
JTK is quoting shorter lead times but is prone to delays. Personally, I tend to prefer them for stuff like this also but right now it's not a short lead time for either manufacturer. People have been asking for a rerun of GMK even with the JTK set having run, so it's a toss up. JTK r1 is still shipping to some vendors (I think it's stuck on the boat), so you should be able to pick up an extra if that's what you want.
Post by: Re-Kid on Sat, 02 July 2022, 12:14:07
Post by: Qarmaa on Sat, 02 July 2022, 16:51:01
I'll get all regional vendors on board once we get closer to GB.
Conformed as of now:
NA - Space
CA - ApexKeyboard
EU - Mykeyboard
UK - ProtoTypist
KR - SwagKeys
Post by: stomaha on Mon, 10 October 2022, 12:51:15
Post by: Qarmaa on Mon, 10 October 2022, 15:12:22
Post by: aleck on Tue, 11 October 2022, 18:15:41
Post by: Ensaum on Wed, 12 October 2022, 09:49:53
Edit: Also, what are GMK lead times now? This may just end up being the first GMK GB I've entered in like 2 years :)
Post by: mr_foggy on Thu, 13 October 2022, 04:02:57
Honest question.. What's the reasoning behind having icon mods in base, but text mods in extension (for caps lock anyways)?
yeah I was thinking the same. maybe the windowed molds do not exist in icon form, and manufacturing dedicated molds would raise prices and forfeit MOQ? only explanation I could think of.
but if they do exist, it would be way nicer to switch to purse capslock for the extension kit.
Post by: 1017BirckenThot on Thu, 13 October 2022, 11:36:51
Honest question.. What's the reasoning behind having icon mods in base, but text mods in extension (for caps lock anyways)?
yeah I was thinking the same. maybe the windowed molds do not exist in icon form, and manufacturing dedicated molds would raise prices and forfeit MOQ? only explanation I could think of.
but if they do exist, it would be way nicer to switch to purse capslock for the extension kit.
Windowed keys from GMK will have the legends UV printed so no additional molds are required.
Post by: Ensaum on Thu, 13 October 2022, 19:01:34
Honest question.. What's the reasoning behind having icon mods in base, but text mods in extension (for caps lock anyways)?
yeah I was thinking the same. maybe the windowed molds do not exist in icon form, and manufacturing dedicated molds would raise prices and forfeit MOQ? only explanation I could think of.
but if they do exist, it would be way nicer to switch to purse capslock for the extension kit.
Windowed keys from GMK will have the legends UV printed so no additional molds are required.
Yup, and the first run of Griseann had windowed purse caps lock.
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Post by: 1017BirckenThot on Thu, 13 October 2022, 19:59:55
Yup, and the first run of Griseann had windowed purse caps lock.Show Image(https://external-preview.redd.it/MsGeIb2F-RZYgAQgXs_kaHPMWZzwCFQ_pVgowxNEFwI.jpg?auto=webp&s=a16f0fa7a0f2ecff1625378cf172057af2680677)
I agree, no reason to have text windowed caps when the base kit uses icon mods.
Post by: GSPADE on Thu, 13 October 2022, 21:09:10
Post by: hkhawk on Thu, 13 October 2022, 22:41:39
The green sub legends contrast very well. If you're interested in creating a metal artisan for this do let us know <3
Yup, and the first run of Griseann had windowed purse caps lock.Show Image(https://external-preview.redd.it/MsGeIb2F-RZYgAQgXs_kaHPMWZzwCFQ_pVgowxNEFwI.jpg?auto=webp&s=a16f0fa7a0f2ecff1625378cf172057af2680677)
I agree, no reason to have text windowed caps when the base kit uses icon mods.
Honest question.. What's the reasoning behind having icon mods in base, but text mods in extension (for caps lock anyways)?
yeah I was thinking the same. maybe the windowed molds do not exist in icon form, and manufacturing dedicated molds would raise prices and forfeit MOQ? only explanation I could think of.
but if they do exist, it would be way nicer to switch to purse capslock for the extension kit.
I think it's because of this from the first post:
F13, split bars and second B not in base?
There is a lot of things I wanted to add in base as well as do something good for the community (the same way I did an icon mods addon when running WoB Red Cyrillic). But unlike WoB Red Cyrillic, I wanted this set to be less self-contained and offer compat for earlier rounds of WoBs and current one that on Drop. You can think about extentions kit as missing keys for other WoBs.
Basically, the extension kit is supposed to be a generic kit for all WoB kits, not really for Griseann per se
Post by: Qarmaa on Thu, 10 November 2022, 14:10:52
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Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Thu, 10 November 2022, 14:47:44
Updated (final) kits. News soon-ishShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/v622zoI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zYEJWdf.png)
Might want to double-check your macro columns. Now that the base kit is locked in as including R5, some of the keys there are redundant.
Post by: Yppta on Thu, 10 November 2022, 15:38:35
I understand the mission is to lower kit prices but that key is badly missing I feel.
Post by: Fraaaan on Thu, 10 November 2022, 16:06:35
Updated (final) kits. News soon-ishShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/v622zoI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zYEJWdf.png)
Might want to double-check your macro columns. Now that the base kit is locked in as including R5, some of the keys there are redundant.
I think the idea is to be able to use the kit with standard GMK WoB which is r4. It's an add-on kit for all CR/WS1 sets, not just this set in particular.
Post by: XiXora on Thu, 10 November 2022, 16:28:35
Post by: Qarmaa on Thu, 10 November 2022, 17:45:45
I want to keep spare R4 keys for those who buying it for regular WoB.Updated (final) kits. News soon-ishShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/v622zoI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zYEJWdf.png)
Might want to double-check your macro columns. Now that the base kit is locked in as including R5, some of the keys there are redundant.
No, I would be really incredibly sad to see the R1 "=" dropped. Its missing from wob base and not in wob essentials. Is that single key worth leaving out?I already squeezing in stuff to hit target price. So can't really add anything to base anymore otherwise we'll have to rise the price it which I really don't want to.
Post by: azzipa on Thu, 10 November 2022, 20:48:34
Post by: Zurg Eon on Fri, 11 November 2022, 07:55:55
They will be in the GMK White on Black Essentials R0 & R5 kit, which is planned to run Q1 2023, for those who really want it
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 11 November 2022, 13:47:35
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Tue, 15 November 2022, 15:51:31
Post by: thocciness on Thu, 17 November 2022, 10:19:02
Post by: aleck on Sat, 19 November 2022, 15:11:02
Updated (final) kits. News soon-ishUnfortunate that windowed Caps Lock is gone, I was pumped for it. :'(Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/v622zoI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zYEJWdf.png)
Still a glorious set, definitely picking this up! :thumb:
Post by: actress on Sun, 20 November 2022, 05:54:25
Post by: wgsunrise on Sun, 20 November 2022, 23:11:53
Updated (final) kits. News soon-ish1. Both macro column and spacebars will be included in one same kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/v622zoI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zYEJWdf.png)
2. Will 2.25u and 2.75u spacebars be R5 height?
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Post by: ankit on Mon, 21 November 2022, 01:17:28
2. Will 2.25u and 2.75u spacebars be R5 height?
Cherry spacebars are their own profile. R4 and R5 sets utilize the same spacebar profile
Post by: Qarmaa on Mon, 21 November 2022, 13:18:22
1. Both macro column and spacebars will be included in one same kit?Yes, it's one kit.
Post by: kibrens on Wed, 14 December 2022, 17:00:26
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Wed, 14 December 2022, 17:37:30
Post by: stomaha on Wed, 14 December 2022, 20:23:13
Post by: herfalerf on Thu, 15 December 2022, 17:35:42
Post by: white_rabbit on Thu, 15 December 2022, 18:46:44
Ne 3key 40s avail?It was added to the extension kit a while ago, and silently dropped from it recently.
Post by: GMK83 on Wed, 28 December 2022, 07:14:10
PS. Happy holidays
Post by: stomaha on Thu, 29 December 2022, 14:56:22
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Post by: soloplayer on Sun, 05 March 2023, 04:01:20
Post by: NightFox99 on Sun, 05 March 2023, 04:50:51
I'm so pumped for this!
Bet you imagined this set on a green Ahgase... gosh want it right now !
Post by: DeMechanica on Tue, 18 April 2023, 07:20:24
Post by: hkhawk on Sun, 14 May 2023, 17:26:02
Post by: Fraaaan on Mon, 15 May 2023, 11:07:31
Post by: NightFox99 on Fri, 19 May 2023, 05:15:47
If this ever runs, consider swapping to a more reliable EU vendor. I would say Mykeyboard have been dropping the ball, but it feels more like they've kicked the ball under a running bus.
+1 Totally agree : shipping delays for GMK sets are out of this world, order errors, products with defects, poor communication. Please consider another vendor for EU than Mykeyboard.
Post by: DeMechanica on Tue, 23 May 2023, 07:36:06
I remain extremely keen for this set. Beyond hyped.
Post by: mr_foggy on Wed, 24 May 2023, 03:31:58
Mykeyboard will have been chosen because they said yes. This could be BS so check it before you believe it, but it seems to me like most EU vendors aren’t taking on sets right now because they have too much stock atm.there's no such thing as too much stock. discount it and offload it. deadstock costs more than giving discounts
I remain extremely keen for this set. Beyond hyped.
Post by: flores on Tue, 30 May 2023, 13:41:40
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Post by: Kinesiologist on Wed, 12 July 2023, 19:16:42
It's not dead
nice
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Post by: arcx on Fri, 13 October 2023, 13:44:17
Count me in for both sets when drop.
Post by: AMxW-2 on Sun, 22 October 2023, 16:34:00
Post by: bruin on Thu, 07 December 2023, 01:19:46
It's not dead
Nice!
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Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 27 April 2024, 16:59:33
Hey! I'm with a good news. GB starts on May 3rd at Novelkeys and their usual proxies. Kitting stays the same.Oh snap, glad I noticed this! I literally just grabbed JTK Griseann since Swagkeys had it on clearance for dirt cheap, but this having a R5 bottom row is enough to sell me on grabbing a set! GLWGB!
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