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How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« on: Tue, 11 August 2015, 23:47:23 »
So.. After reading Numerous ONLINE reviews of External Harddrives AND External Harddrive enclosures..

Tp4 has noticed 3 glaring technical issues which are the root causes of most drive failures.


1 _

Power, Inadequate electrical current, difficult starting larger drives via USB 2.0


2 _

Weak USB port,  the anchor points in most USB ports are 2 tiny drops of solder,
____________ given how long the usb cable is, the torque will rip it apart in a short time.


3 _

HEAT, the controversial KILLER of drives.

The Heat issue can only be ameliorated by using an ALUMINUM enclosure WITH HOLES,  instead of those fully covered plastic enclosures.





Below Image marks the fixes for Power and Weak USB port.

That is a 1 cm thick slab of epoxy, as thick as the case would allow, I built a scotch tape mold around the section in order to pile it on that high..




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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 11 August 2015, 23:52:49 »
I won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 11 August 2015, 23:57:29 »
I won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.

I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 00:07:26 »
I won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.

Ok... but a 2TB, 2.5" harddrive will cost you ~$90,  $110 with aluminum enclosure

A  1TB Flash drive is $700   

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 00:08:42 »
I won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.

Ok... but a 2TB 2.5" harddrive will cost you ~$90,  $110 with aluminum enclosure

A  1TB Flash drive is $700   
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Or external SSD for a bit less =P

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 00:10:01 »
I won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.

Ok... but a 2TB 2.5" harddrive will cost you ~$90,  $110 with aluminum enclosure

A  1TB Flash drive is $700   
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http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147378

Or external SSD for a bit less =P

What do you mean a bit less... I'm pretty sure that damn thing is at least $500


It also doesn't fix the WEAK usb 3.0 port problem..

Look at my second foto,    it's just this tiny sliver of metal, soldered to a pcb,


You see those tiny pins behind the port..   Just a little bit of flex will crack the **** out of those pins.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 00:12:45 »
I won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.

Ok... but a 2TB 2.5" harddrive will cost you ~$90,  $110 with aluminum enclosure

A  1TB Flash drive is $700   
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http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147378

Or external SSD for a bit less =P

What do you mean a bit less... I'm pretty sure that damn thing is at least $500


It also doesn't fix the WEAK usb 3.0 port problem..

Look at my second foto,    it's just this tiny sliver of metal, soldered to a pcb,


You see those tiny pins behind the port..   Just a little bit of flex will crack the **** out of those pins.
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then stick to internal drives? xD

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 00:19:15 »
I won't use external drives any more, they just don't last. With flash drives being so cheap I can't see the benefit, I've just got a 64GB thumb drive for when I need to move files around.

Ok... but a 2TB 2.5" harddrive will cost you ~$90,  $110 with aluminum enclosure

A  1TB Flash drive is $700   
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Who's moving that amount of data around on a regular basis? And I've got backups, they just live on internal drives in a seperate PC.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 00:38:31 »

Who's moving that amount of data around on a regular basis? And I've got backups, they just live on internal drives in a seperate PC.



It's a matter of convenience..


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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 00:44:04 »

Who's moving that amount of data around on a regular basis? And I've got backups, they just live on internal drives in a seperate PC.



It's a matter of convenience..



Enjoy buying a new external every year!
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 00:48:23 »

Who's moving that amount of data around on a regular basis? And I've got backups, they just live on internal drives in a seperate PC.



It's a matter of convenience..



Enjoy buying a new external every year!

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 01:27:57 »
to start of you shouldn't buy seagate.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 01:39:34 »
to start of you shouldn't buy seagate.


Hahahhahaha... This drive has pretty good reviews..  and it's the only 2TB 9mm drive.. so I didn't really have a choice.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 01:41:42 »
to start of you shouldn't buy seagate.


Hahahhahaha... This drive has pretty good reviews..  and it's the only 2TB 9mm drive.. so I didn't really have a choice.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 01:42:59 »
to start of you shouldn't buy seagate.


Hahahhahaha... This drive has pretty good reviews..  and it's the only 2TB 9mm drive.. so I didn't really have a choice.

WD 4ever.

I was looking at their 2TB external as well.. but I read the reviews, SAME issues plaguing those drives..

So finally I decided to Roll my own.. 

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 07:55:44 »
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.

That's so last decade  :p

The internet is for backups.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 08:48:01 »
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.

That's so last decade  :p

The internet is for backups.

2TB worth of backups?

Compared to having something instantly accessible?

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:03:23 »
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.

That's so last decade  :p

The internet is for backups.

2TB worth of backups?

Compared to having something instantly accessible?

-jamster- works for the NSA,  of course he'd like you to backup ONLINE...

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:13:02 »
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.

That's so last decade  :p

The internet is for backups.

I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me. Backing up at home is easy. Say you have a 1TB data drive in your PC (you should at least mirror this as well)....You buy a hot swap bay for next to nothing, then buy 2 1TB drives, also cheap. You setup an rsync job to copy all the files over to the drive in the bay every night. Take that drive to work, or some place not at your house. Then, put the second one in the bay and continue the backup process. When enough changes bring that one off site and bring the first one back. Cheap, easy, effective. You could get fancier, but I haven't found a need to yet.

Call me old fashioned, but I hate "The Cloud".
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:30:18 »


Call me old fashioned, but I hate "The Cloud".



I think the CLOUD is a great idea.. honestly I DO..  I WANT IT TO WORK..


However,  the internet in the USA isn't fast enough for this yet..

When we get significant Gigabit coverage,  and the whatever-cloud service can Up/Down @ Gigabit..

I will happily surrender local storage.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:32:31 »
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.

What secrets are you hiding?  :eek:
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:35:41 »
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.

What secrets are you hiding?  :eek:

naked pictures most likely..   

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« Reply #22 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:37:33 »


Call me old fashioned, but I hate "The Cloud".



I think the CLOUD is a great idea.. honestly I DO..  I WANT IT TO WORK..


However,  the internet in the USA isn't fast enough for this yet..

When we get significant Gigabit coverage,  and the whatever-cloud service can Up/Down @ Gigabit..

I will happily surrender local storage.

My issue with The Cloud, is really the marketing of it. I've been managing SANs, Virtual Hosts and datacenters in general for years. That is all a "Cloud" is. You host it local, Private Cloud. You host it on someone else's stuff "The Cloud" or "Public Cloud". People think that is the end all be all...**** has been around forever, it just wasn't called that. It is a personal issue, I know. But one thing I know for sure; I'm not trusting my personal stuff to someone else. I don't care what it is. The only person I trust to properly protect my stuff is me.

I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.

What secrets are you hiding?  :eek:

Nothing. I'm boring as hell. But I'll be damned if someone steals my boring stuff! It is a matter of pride. The Cloud is a trigger for me...gets me all worked up.  :mad:

I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.

What secrets are you hiding?  :eek:

naked pictures most likely..   

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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:40:26 »

I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.

What secrets are you hiding?  :eek:

Nothing. I'm boring as hell. But I'll be damned if someone steals my boring stuff! It is a matter of pride. The Cloud is a trigger for me...gets me all worked up.  :mad:


Hey. I respect your right to privacy. But now you just told us all how to piss you off. Look in the sky... what are those white puffy things?

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:40:29 »
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..

My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-

I only have it for convenience..  there's very little market value in it.

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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:43:40 »
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..

My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-

I only have it for convenience..  there's very little market value in it.

My entire data collection is like 10gb. You are a hoarder. Go on that show.
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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:46:19 »

I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.

What secrets are you hiding?  :eek:

Nothing. I'm boring as hell. But I'll be damned if someone steals my boring stuff! It is a matter of pride. The Cloud is a trigger for me...gets me all worked up.  :mad:


Hey. I respect your right to privacy. But now you just told us all how to piss you off. Look in the sky... what are those white puffy things?

I like those clouds...they make fun shapes like puppies and teapots. Very relaxing. Then there is "The Cloud" which is a thing that serves only to make my life harder "We can't do that on site, The Cloud is more stable". Lies. They just get sucked into the marketing of it. Oh geez, between this cloud talk and all the caffeine I've had I've gotten myself all worked up. See what you've done!  :p

With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..

My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-

I only have it for convenience..  there's very little market value in it.

50TB! Damn man, WTF are you keeping over there, all the worlds secrets? Back that up in the cloud and you will pay more for backups than you do for housing.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:49:06 »

With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..

My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-

I only have it for convenience..  there's very little market value in it.

50TB! Damn man, WTF are you keeping over there, all the worlds secrets? Back that up in the cloud and you will pay more for backups than you do for housing.



Mostly linux isos and bluray backups..

I watch alotta movies..

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:49:31 »
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..

My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-

I only have it for convenience..  there's very little market value in it.

My entire data collection is like 10gb. You are a hoarder. Go on that show.

LALALALALALA.. I don't have a problem...


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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:51:32 »
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..

My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-

I only have it for convenience..  there's very little market value in it.

My entire data collection is like 10gb. You are a hoarder. Go on that show.

LALALALALALA.. I don't have a problem...

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 10:03:03 »
108152-0

You guys seeing this..

This is the proper Operational temperature of Harddrives WITHOUT active cooling..

It's doing Random Writes At the moment.

Ambient is 27 C ( 80 F )

Active cooled drives should run around @ 35-40 C


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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:02:21 »
Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.
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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:26:16 »
I haven't had any issues with my multitude of external drives...  :eek:

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I'd have a hard time fitting them all internal, too, so that's not really a viable option.

Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.

I've considered this...hmm.  Might have to explore that option further.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:41:47 »
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.

That's so last decade  :p

The internet is for backups.

I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me. Backing up at home is easy. Say you have a 1TB data drive in your PC (you should at least mirror this as well)....You buy a hot swap bay for next to nothing, then buy 2 1TB drives, also cheap. You setup an rsync job to copy all the files over to the drive in the bay every night. Take that drive to work, or some place not at your house. Then, put the second one in the bay and continue the backup process. When enough changes bring that one off site and bring the first one back. Cheap, easy, effective. You could get fancier, but I haven't found a need to yet.

Call me old fashioned, but I hate "The Cloud".

I am right there with you on this one. if you back up to the cloud you are basically giving away any advantage you might have:

1. a salesman backing up his list of top customers would be giving them away.
2. if you,re writing a song you're basically sharing it with everyone.
3. if you're a writing a lecture or thesis you're basically sharing it with everyone.
in my mind these are the big issues - this is not about porn (although there is that) or even you deep dark secrets - this about IP : your IP.

granted, if you have no intellect then this is more likely than not a moot point, but still ..., don't ever let people reduce this conversation to something like, "well if you're not doing anything bad you have nothing to hide."

that makes it sound like the only utility privacy can provide is its abilty to conceal misdeeds you may or may not have performed.


that's a false dilemma.of course it can do that but privacy can also provide another utility: it can protect your property from theft.

tldr;

don't backup to the cloud
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:48:47 »
Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.

I've considered this...hmm.  Might have to explore that option further.

I'd recommend at least researching into it, i'm sure there's features that i'm not even fully aware of but having my own personal cloud and being able to access it from anywhere is pretty damn cool.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:58:00 »
Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.

I've considered this...hmm.  Might have to explore that option further.

I'd recommend at least researching into it, i'm sure there's features that i'm not even fully aware of but having my own personal cloud and being able to access it from anywhere is pretty damn cool.

The My book Live has a metal plate inside for heat reduction and it has big holes.. So that's better than the foil wrapped drives they stick in completely enclosed plastic cases.


I think for Something like WD live, it powers down quite often, so durability shouldn't be a problem..

However,  if you got drives that are SPINNING,  or will sustain long durations of activity,    I wouldn't trust anything except active cool..


The difference is quite huge.. ~20 C difference usually.


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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:12:26 »


Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.

I've considered this...hmm.  Might have to explore that option further.

I'd recommend at least researching into it, i'm sure there's features that i'm not even fully aware of but having my own personal cloud and being able to access it from anywhere is pretty damn cool.

The My book Live has a metal plate inside for heat reduction and it has big holes.. So that's better than the foil wrapped drives they stick in completely enclosed plastic cases.


I think for Something like WD live, it powers down quite often, so durability shouldn't be a problem..

However,  if you got drives that are SPINNING,  or will sustain long durations of activity,    I wouldn't trust anything except active cool..


The difference is quite huge.. ~20 C difference usually.

Yeah it does power down whenever there's no activity for X minutes and I'm not sure about the metal plates but it is  definitely actively fan cooled (which reminds me that I should check/clean it)
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:15:29 »


Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.

I've considered this...hmm.  Might have to explore that option further.

I'd recommend at least researching into it, i'm sure there's features that i'm not even fully aware of but having my own personal cloud and being able to access it from anywhere is pretty damn cool.

The My book Live has a metal plate inside for heat reduction and it has big holes.. So that's better than the foil wrapped drives they stick in completely enclosed plastic cases.


I think for Something like WD live, it powers down quite often, so durability shouldn't be a problem..

However,  if you got drives that are SPINNING,  or will sustain long durations of activity,    I wouldn't trust anything except active cool..


The difference is quite huge.. ~20 C difference usually.

Yeah it does power down whenever there's no activity for X minutes and I'm not sure about the metal plates but it is  definitely actively fan cooled (which reminds me that I should check/clean it)


I didn't know it was active cooled..  Is this the dual drive version?

I remember looking up the single drive version when I saw it at the microcenter, and it just had the cooling plate, no fans.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #38 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:29:20 »


Ever look into setting up a NAS drive? I have a WD my book live and it works really well for me. I'm probably gonna pick up an old computer to make a better/bigger dedicated NAS.

I've considered this...hmm.  Might have to explore that option further.

I'd recommend at least researching into it, i'm sure there's features that i'm not even fully aware of but having my own personal cloud and being able to access it from anywhere is pretty damn cool.

The My book Live has a metal plate inside for heat reduction and it has big holes.. So that's better than the foil wrapped drives they stick in completely enclosed plastic cases.


I think for Something like WD live, it powers down quite often, so durability shouldn't be a problem..

However,  if you got drives that are SPINNING,  or will sustain long durations of activity,    I wouldn't trust anything except active cool..


The difference is quite huge.. ~20 C difference usually.

Yeah it does power down whenever there's no activity for X minutes and I'm not sure about the metal plates but it is  definitely actively fan cooled (which reminds me that I should check/clean it)


I didn't know it was active cooled..  Is this the dual drive version?

I remember looking up the single drive version when I saw it at the microcenter, and it just had the cooling plate, no fans.

Mines a single drive version and there's a fan on it.
I think this is an older model because it was around when they first came out but we're unpopular so they had a wicked sale on them which I then went and got another company to do a price beat and ended up with an insanely good price. (I think I ended up having it cost about the same as an equivalent size 2TB internal HHD, but as a NAS)

*edit* I might be lying to your face, I'll need to double check this tomorrow.

*edit 2* Yeah so i was lying to your face, i could have sworn that this had a fan but maybe i had another network device near my other stuff that a fan

Also nice work on the external drive, I hope this helps your drives life.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:31:57 »
Now I feel like Cutting up my enclosure to mount a fan onto it..

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My answer was going to be "stick something in the fan" but seems I'm in the wrong thread :blank:
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« Reply #41 on: Wed, 12 August 2015, 15:55:38 »
My answer was going to be "stick something in the fan" but seems I'm in the wrong thread :blank:

But then it wouldn't stay kewl..

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:48:35 »
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.

That's so last decade  :p

The internet is for backups.

2TB worth of backups?

Compared to having something instantly accessible?

Totally.

I run one layer of redundancy (RAID) and two and a half layers of backups.

The first layer (and a half) is to a pair of drives which I swap out of a drive caddy once every six months. I back up about 2TB fulls. So I definitely run local for convenience, but I would prefer to avoid external disk (USB cables, ick).

The last layer is over the internet to a friend's sever in London, in case anything goes wrong with my home. This is a reciprocal backup arrangement- he also backs up to me. My backup size for this is about 800GB.

Earlier this year, he had a complete system failure and no local backup. I dumped his 500GB of encrypted backups onto a hard drive and couriered it over to him. He had the data in 4 days. Of course, had he only had a minor data loss, he could have done individual file restores himself, remotely.

If you don't have someone to back up to directly, there's a slew of cloud backup providers who will courier you a hard drive if you need a load of data fairly quickly. It's a good extra layer of safety in case your house catches fire/floods/gets a big electrical surge.
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« Reply #43 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:53:53 »
my external HD use case: i have a TV that has USB but doesn't network nor do i want a networked tv, so i store movies / tv shows on the portable for use on the TV. what is a better solution besides buying a network-ready TV?
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:56:36 »
I can only recommand the usage of a NAS, I build one 2 years ago. Set up a RAID5, a torrent client, a plex server(media center for the nexwork) and I'm all set.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:05:31 »
I definitely avoid all external enclosures that aren't actively cooled hot-swap enclosures. If you must, I'd definitely say go with an SSD. Mechanical drives just aren't made to be jostled around.

I run two 10TB RAID arrays with hot spares at home and I always just opt for enterprise grade WD drives. The 5 year warranty is a must when you run them continuously. I had two go out in the span of a week and it was a bit touch and go from there, but that's the only time that's happened.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:26:36 »
I definitely avoid all external enclosures that aren't actively cooled hot-swap enclosures. If you must, I'd definitely say go with an SSD. Mechanical drives just aren't made to be jostled around.

I run two 10TB RAID arrays with hot spares at home and I always just opt for enterprise grade WD drives. The 5 year warranty is a must when you run them continuously. I had two go out in the span of a week and it was a bit touch and go from there, but that's the only time that's happened.

Totes..

I couldn't find a 2.5" enclosure that was actively cooled though.. sigh.....

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:47:49 »
It's strange how no one makes one. Your best bet is to get an actively cooled 3.5" and then an adapter, but that just increases the cost some more.

Yep, SSD all the way!  ;D

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 11:04:23 »
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me. Backing up at home is easy. Say you have a 1TB data drive in your PC (you should at least mirror this as well)....You buy a hot swap bay for next to nothing, then buy 2 1TB drives, also cheap. You setup an rsync job to copy all the files over to the drive in the bay every night. Take that drive to work, or some place not at your house. Then, put the second one in the bay and continue the backup process. When enough changes bring that one off site and bring the first one back. Cheap, easy, effective. You could get fancier, but I haven't found a need to yet.

Call me old fashioned, but I hate "The Cloud".

When the backup target is a privately owned server in my best friend's home, and when I own the keys to the encrypted files, the 'cloud' has nothing to do with it.

Anyway, what's to stop you from fully automating with rsync over VPN?

I've a very good friend who does the same as you, actually. Rsync with twinned encrypted drives, one of which he leaves at work. But the only reason he runs sneakernet for his remotes is because he's in Australia, where the internet is too crippled for people to do big uploads. As soon as he gets non-crippled internet rolled out to his area, then my server becomes his backup destination.
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« Reply #49 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 11:24:42 »
I can only recommand the usage of a NAS, I build one 2 years ago. Set up a RAID5, a torrent client, a plex server(media center for the nexwork) and I'm all set.

Lof of things a nas can do.

yeah. maybe, if i could hook up to it with USB instead of over the network. otherwise nope nope nope not gonna work. would be cool if i could present the fs via USB, but also connect to it over the network to transfer files. that would save me having to disconnect the drive from the TV.
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« Reply #50 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 14:27:04 »
Samsung has answered your prayers! 16TB SSD Drive

No price yet, but you'll want to start shopping around your kidneys and other valuable organs right away!

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 14:31:03 »
my external HD use case: i have a TV that has USB but doesn't network nor do i want a networked tv, so i store movies / tv shows on the portable for use on the TV. what is a better solution besides buying a network-ready TV?

Roku + Plex

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 13 August 2015, 14:39:48 »
my external HD use case: i have a TV that has USB but doesn't network nor do i want a networked tv, so i store movies / tv shows on the portable for use on the TV. what is a better solution besides buying a network-ready TV?

Roku + Plex

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« Reply #53 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 01:39:04 »
my external HD use case: i have a TV that has USB but doesn't network nor do i want a networked tv, so i store movies / tv shows on the portable for use on the TV. what is a better solution besides buying a network-ready TV?

Roku + Plex

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 04:15:56 »
tp you forgot to talk about melting psu issues! Never got one?

My advice, if you are doing backups, get something like that
http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Lay-Flat-Docking-Station-Supports/dp/B00APP6694/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1439542847&sr=8-5&keywords=hd+dock+usb+3
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if you have firewire, this one is great (I have one myself since 3 years and counting, one of the most reliable enclosure I got so far)
http://www.amazon.com/Freecom-Hard-Drive-Dock-Quattro/dp/B004BHADPA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1439542303&sr=8-2&keywords=freecom+dock
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forgot the most important advice, then store your hd(s) in a safe place away from kids, animals and your own clumsiness (by far the most important part).
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 05:04:39 »
tp you forgot to talk about melting psu issues! Never got one?

My advice, if you are doing backups, get something like that
http://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Lay-Flat-Docking-Station-Supports/dp/B00APP6694/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1439542847&sr=8-5&keywords=hd+dock+usb+3
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if you have firewire, this one is great (I have one myself since 3 years and counting, one of the most reliable enclosure I got so far)
http://www.amazon.com/Freecom-Hard-Drive-Dock-Quattro/dp/B004BHADPA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1439542303&sr=8-2&keywords=freecom+dock
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then get quality boxes at a decent price through a great guy
http://www.moddiy.com/products/3.5-Inches-HDD-Protection-Box.html
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Hrrrrmmmmmmmmm........

I think... But I can't take that station with me easily, I'd need to carry that power supply...

Wait is the power supply to prevent melting psu ?

What is the melting psu issue?.. I've not heard externals melting people's psus.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:14:55 »
Hrrrrmmmmmmmmm........

I think... But I can't take that station with me easily, I'd need to carry that power supply...

Wait is the power supply to prevent melting psu ?

What is the melting psu issue?.. I've not heard externals melting people's psus.

Do you really need to carry all that amount of data around?
You can take a 64Gb or more flash card on the road instead, it's more convenient and you still have your data backups securely at home in case of troubles.
Then it's just a matter of sync strategy.

Wait there seems to be a confusion.
I had a good amount of switching power supplies dying over the years, had two coming along external enclosures which case literally melted.
Some "brands" are not made to be plugged 12h/day 7/7 days. That's what I intended to say. Some other brands are perfectly safe in this regard.


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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:16:56 »
Damn I'm so old school :D you're getting power through your USB port of course  :)) nevermind

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 14 August 2015, 09:04:02 »
Damn I'm so old school :D you're getting power through your USB port of course  :)) nevermind

LOL... yea IN THE DAYs past,  we needed the adapters for larger drives..

This is a 2.5",  so it's usually fine on usb3.0.. on usb 2.0 is where things get dicey.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 09:25:08 »
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..

My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-

I only have it for convenience..  there's very little market value in it.

Somehow I came across this post while looking for info on buying a new harddrive.

let me guess, your data collection isn't a collection of Mao Zedong's speeches. It is basically 50TB of porn.


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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 09:38:11 »
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..

My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-

I only have it for convenience..  there's very little market value in it.

Somehow I came across this post while looking for info on buying a new harddrive.

let me guess, your data collection isn't a collection of Mao Zedong's speeches. It is basically 50TB of porn.


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It's a pretty good show, but there's alot of inconsistencies.. and he's a bit overpowered.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 12:16:59 »
to start of you shouldn't buy seagate.


Hahahhahaha... This drive has pretty good reviews..  and it's the only 2TB 9mm drive.. so I didn't really have a choice.

WD 4ever.

I've got 6 WD RED NAS drives in mah NAS... been spinning since 2013 24/7... zero failure, and I know coz I do integrity checks so also no bit rot / loss beyond reasonable.

And I use them furiously for series/movies and company backup/data.
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« Reply #63 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 12:17:37 »
I think a lot of the benefit of having an external drive is having a backup. I have 3TB internal and that's completely full. Of course not all of that 3TB is stuff I absolutely need a backup of but a good portion of it would be nice.

That's so last decade  :p

The internet is for backups.

MS, is this you? Pushing telemetry again? NSA has a "backup" for you? WHERE CAN I CALL THEM TO GET IT
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« Reply #64 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 12:18:51 »


Call me old fashioned, but I hate "The Cloud".



I think the CLOUD is a great idea.. honestly I DO..  I WANT IT TO WORK..


However,  the internet in the USA isn't fast enough for this yet..

When we get significant Gigabit coverage,  and the whatever-cloud service can Up/Down @ Gigabit..

I will happily surrender local storage.

I haz 200 down 50 up and I sync everything work-related with cockbox errr dropbox
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« Reply #65 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 12:20:00 »
I'll back up my stuff on the internet when hell freezes over. You know who I trust with my personal files and information? NO ONE, except me.

What secrets are you hiding?  :eek:

This touches a nerve.. people say "you don't need privacy coz you ain't hiding stuff riiiiiiight".

But simply because I do not act on a right or former privilige means it's ok to remove it?
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 18 April 2017, 12:23:40 »
With the exception of maybe a few hundred gigs..

My entire data collection is virtually worthless.. -50 or so terabytes-

I only have it for convenience..  there's very little market value in it.

My entire data collection is like 10gb. You are a hoarder. Go on that show.

LALALALALALA.. I don't have a problem...

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Have you ever watched closely at Linux Tech Tips? Their hangar or cargo or whatever that frickin huge building is... it's FULL OF STUFF. Like literally everywhere there is stuff lying around. They are like hoarders because they have sponsors who keep giving them stuff.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 15:04:08 »
IMHO: Just don't buy any kind of packaged External Hard drive.

Things like these:
https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Elements-Portable-External/dp/B06W55K9N6/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=2NZFPYPMV7P26&dchild=1&keywords=wd+external+hard+drive&qid=1607547224&sprefix=wd+ex%2Caps%2C188&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyNlZWR0xCOVBRR1NCJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODIzOTYyMjBOVzBRUFRGSzI5QiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMTk0ODY5MjMwQkFWNjE2MUZFNCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Portable-External-Hard-Drive/dp/B07CRG94G3/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=seagate+external+hard+drive&qid=1607547260&sr=8-3


Seagate, IMHO is a notorious offender: I've had more of these fail than any other type of drive I've purchased.

Also...

DO keep an eye on Blaze's hard drive failure reports (great for 3.5" drives) and buy one of the models that has a very low failure rate.:
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html

ALSO.. Just buy BARE HARD DRIVES and either find a simple enclosure or get a usb3 to sata adapter (TrippLite makes one that I use a lot). I bet you'll be way happier in the long in the run plus you have gear that you can reuse (instead of a proprietary bull**** adapter that does some silly s**t you didn't care about in the first place).

Even better than a USB adapter:
https://www.cru-inc.com/products/accessories/da3525st/
it's SATA straight through to the drive. Supposed to support hot swaps but I've never tested that particular functionality (even though my MBs have usually supported it, for some reason I just don't have the guts to try... like I'm afraid I'll offend the data gods or something).

Makes backups, data transport, etc about as easy as using a flash drive. I love this thing and I will never buy a pre-packaged BS "Portable External Hard Drive," ever, ever, EVER again.


But it seems to me that the best 2.5 inch drives to get are WD Blacks. EVERY 2.5" SEAGATE I've ever had has failed in 6months (I have only ever bought four Seagate 2.5 inch drives, however).


Just keep the bare drives in these things:
https://www.cru-inc.com/products/accessories/drivebox/
and bang! They're portable.

The very same boxes (with different branding stickers) are available on Amazon, Ebay, etc. No way you should pay $8 for ONE of these things. Last time I bought these I think I got three for $12.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 16:56:11 »
I have had one of these for several years and it works great.

Occasionally I wedge a piece of cardboard in there to keep it tight, but no big deal.

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-External-Enclosure-Docking-ST0005U-C/dp/B01GF0OYI2
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 20:54:43 »
IMHO: Just don't buy any kind of packaged External Hard drive.

Seagate, IMHO is a notorious offender: I've had more of these fail than any other type of drive I've purchased.
All drive companies short externals, short them on what? Technically they short them on everything. Externals cost about the same as an internal drive, yet require more parts, they do this by shaving cost elsewhere. Is Seagate worse, well they are more prone to damage from vibration but for the most part drive reliability often comes down to the batch and who you ask. I've had good and bad luck with all of them.

So how important is the batch?
When you setup a server you specifically try and use drives from multiple batches to make sure they don't all fail at the same time.

Other important tips...
Don't leave it plugged in.
When you unplug it, unplug the end OPPOSITE the drive and wait for it to stop spinning before you move or disconnect the cable at the drive end.
Use it at least once every few weeks, and make sure it gets warm. This ensures the lube does what it should rather than dry up in a place it's doing nothing.
Do this and they should last a very long time.


DO keep an eye on Blaze's hard drive failure reports (great for 3.5" drives) and buy one of the models that has a very low failure rate.:
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html
Backblaze's duty cycle is not the same as your duty cycle and therefore it's completely useless.

Backblaze loads 50+ drives into a chassis, these all create massive amount of vibration, something non-enterprise drives are not rated for, simply put, this is serious abuse of these drives. Worse still, these drives are then spun up, written with data, then they sit there spinning idle for the rest of their life. They almost never read, they only write and once full they rarely get used again. Does this sound anything like how your drive is treated? No. Enterprise drives specifically list how many drives can be in a single chassis because the vibration is such an issue.  Believe it or not, typing or even loud noise can impact your drives. It's not just a fall that causes problems for it.

So again, don't pay any attention to Backblaze drive reports they're worthless to anyone but Backblaze and they really shouldn't even report them. They do do because it causes people to constantly quote them in threads like this giving them free advertising.

The better drive report to read was a Google report years ago where they determined uncorrected and pending sector counts were the best way to predict failure and vibration was the biggest drive killer on their workstations.

But it seems to me that the best 2.5 inch drives to get are WD Blacks. EVERY 2.5" SEAGATE I've ever had has failed in 6months (I have only ever bought four Seagate 2.5 inch drives, however).
WD Blacks, initially were little more than a low end enterprise grade drive for consumers.
I believe they've lowered that quality a bit since but they are still very much built to a better standard and are pretty much the only spinner I even like to use these days because they're just that much better. This is typical for lots of things in computers, enterprise laptops tend to survive a lot better as well.
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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 22:38:23 »
Always suspected vibration being an issue.  put the subwoofer on the other side of the room.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #71 on: Fri, 11 December 2020, 10:27:50 »
I mainly use SSD's in external housings if I need a external drive, and for large storage I end up building a rig to work as a file/media storage workhorse server.  That way when I watch movies I don't have to worry about my main rig I work/game on at home going down due to me tinkering and benching, and end up getting a call from a friend or family member as to why their movie cut out at key moments lol.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #72 on: Fri, 11 December 2020, 10:31:49 »
I mainly use SSD's in external housings if I need a external drive, and for large storage I end up building a rig to work as a file/media storage workhorse server.  That way when I watch movies I don't have to worry about my main rig I work/game on at home going down due to me tinkering and benching, and end up getting a call from a friend or family member as to why their movie cut out at key moments lol.

Tp4  learned the hardway, do not give friends/familys server access.. They're ignorant and don't truly appreciate the machine.

They're like the karens who never get an oil change and blow up the engines.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #73 on: Fri, 11 December 2020, 11:37:45 »
I can say alot have started to get it, and if it's down means I am working on it - a few I give a heads up as to when and how long it will be down.  My wife I never warn lol.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #74 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 06:05:51 »
IMHO: Just don't buy any kind of packaged External Hard drive.

Seagate, IMHO is a notorious offender: I've had more of these fail than any other type of drive I've purchased.
All drive companies short externals, short them on what? Technically they short them on everything. Externals cost about the same as an internal drive, yet require more parts, they do this by shaving cost elsewhere. Is Seagate worse, well they are more prone to damage from vibration but for the most part drive reliability often comes down to the batch and who you ask. I've had good and bad luck with all of them.

So how important is the batch?
When you setup a server you specifically try and use drives from multiple batches to make sure they don't all fail at the same time.

Other important tips...
Don't leave it plugged in.
When you unplug it, unplug the end OPPOSITE the drive and wait for it to stop spinning before you move or disconnect the cable at the drive end.
Use it at least once every few weeks, and make sure it gets warm. This ensures the lube does what it should rather than dry up in a place it's doing nothing.
Do this and they should last a very long time.


DO keep an eye on Blaze's hard drive failure reports (great for 3.5" drives) and buy one of the models that has a very low failure rate.:
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html
Backblaze's duty cycle is not the same as your duty cycle and therefore it's completely useless.

Backblaze loads 50+ drives into a chassis, these all create massive amount of vibration, something non-enterprise drives are not rated for, simply put, this is serious abuse of these drives. Worse still, these drives are then spun up, written with data, then they sit there spinning idle for the rest of their life. They almost never read, they only write and once full they rarely get used again. Does this sound anything like how your drive is treated? No. Enterprise drives specifically list how many drives can be in a single chassis because the vibration is such an issue.  Believe it or not, typing or even loud noise can impact your drives. It's not just a fall that causes problems for it.

So again, don't pay any attention to Backblaze drive reports they're worthless to anyone but Backblaze and they really shouldn't even report them. They do do because it causes people to constantly quote them in threads like this giving them free advertising.

The better drive report to read was a Google report years ago where they determined uncorrected and pending sector counts were the best way to predict failure and vibration was the biggest drive killer on their workstations.

But it seems to me that the best 2.5 inch drives to get are WD Blacks. EVERY 2.5" SEAGATE I've ever had has failed in 6months (I have only ever bought four Seagate 2.5 inch drives, however).
WD Blacks, initially were little more than a low end enterprise grade drive for consumers.
I believe they've lowered that quality a bit since but they are still very much built to a better standard and are pretty much the only spinner I even like to use these days because they're just that much better. This is typical for lots of things in computers, enterprise laptops tend to survive a lot better as well.

Interesting points to consider. Neat! I hadn't thought about the massive differences between my use case and Blaze's use case.

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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #75 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 06:18:24 »
As I've read this thread and digested its comestibles (four ounces of Caerphilly, if you please) it seems that the "answer" to the question "How to make external drives not suck" is to buy a proper internal hard drive (preferably an enterprise model) and "externalize" that drive yourself using one or more of the options listed in this thread.

That sound about right?




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Re: How to make External Harddrives NOT SUCK....
« Reply #76 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 06:46:08 »
As I've read this thread and digested its comestibles (four ounces of Cearphilly, if you please) it seems that the "answer" to the question "How to make external drives not suck" is to buy a proper internal hard drive (preferably an enterprise model) and "externalize" that drive yourself using one or more of the options listed in this thread.

That sound about right?
It is correct, but make sure the box is either vented or the housing acts as a heatsink, otherwise you can bake the drive.
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