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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #100 on: Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:50:02 »
you can't doubleshot three colors.

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Hey, he's right.  You can't doubleshot three colors. That's called tripleshot.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #101 on: Thu, 08 October 2015, 10:51:00 »
you can't doubleshot three colors.

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Hey, he's right.  You can't doubleshot three colors. That's called tripleshot.
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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #102 on: Thu, 08 October 2015, 11:58:24 »
So they made moldings for half cap legends, ran each through with different colors, put them together manually, then put it in the main mold...

Yeah, dye-sub sounds a LOT cheaper.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #103 on: Thu, 08 October 2015, 13:20:19 »
I was checking last night and saw some machines that can do 4 shots.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #104 on: Thu, 08 October 2015, 14:00:43 »
I was checking last night and saw some machines that can do 4 shots.

There are actually some artisan caps with up to 6-shot molds.
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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #105 on: Thu, 08 October 2015, 14:03:27 »
I was checking last night and saw some machines that can do 4 shots.

There are actually some artisan caps with up to 6-shot molds.

Honestly, I believe it.  Trying to find Youtube videos on more than 2-shot molding was tricky as half my search returns on "3 shot" returned 2-shot videos.  Oh well.  It makes sense as it increases automation and reduces production times.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #106 on: Thu, 08 October 2015, 14:06:20 »
I was checking last night and saw some machines that can do 4 shots.

There are actually some artisan caps with up to 6-shot molds.

Honestly, I believe it.  Trying to find Youtube videos on more than 2-shot molding was tricky as half my search returns on "3 shot" returned 2-shot videos.  Oh well.  It makes sense as it increases automation and reduces production times.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #107 on: Fri, 09 October 2015, 11:26:15 »
I was checking last night and saw some machines that can do 4 shots.

There are actually some artisan caps with up to 6-shot molds.

Honestly, I believe it.  Trying to find Youtube videos on more than 2-shot molding was tricky as half my search returns on "3 shot" returned 2-shot videos.  Oh well.  It makes sense as it increases automation and reduces production times.

Going to borrow Sifo's pic as reference, meanwhile that LZ-S :eek: :
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Artisan's don't count bro. :P

That would have an insane price tag if it was a  full board.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #108 on: Fri, 09 October 2015, 11:37:27 »
I was checking last night and saw some machines that can do 4 shots.

There are actually some artisan caps with up to 6-shot molds.

Honestly, I believe it.  Trying to find Youtube videos on more than 2-shot molding was tricky as half my search returns on "3 shot" returned 2-shot videos.  Oh well.  It makes sense as it increases automation and reduces production times.

Going to borrow Sifo's pic as reference, meanwhile that LZ-S :eek: :
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Artisan's don't count bro. :P

That would have an insane price tag if it was a  full board.

A full set of 6-shot molds would be ridiculous but I was just posting it to prove that it's even possible. I'm sure people could go even further with the right amount of time and money but there really isn't a point. I would be interested in a full set of triple-shot molds but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I definitely prefer version 1.2 over version 1.1. I'd also be interested in stepped caps and a 1800 kit.
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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #109 on: Fri, 09 October 2015, 16:07:26 »
I definitely prefer version 1.2 over version 1.1. I'd also be interested in stepped caps and a 1800 kit.

I'm not too familiar with the g80-1800 kit. Does the original post here cover all the concerns? I'm trying to put together a "Non-ANSI" Kit that will cover as many boards as possible.

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« Reply #110 on: Fri, 09 October 2015, 16:09:59 »
Enjoying the process so far - Terminal B is my novelty vote. I like the idea of the floppy, would you mind if I mocked one up, not a fan of the one you have now personally?

Yeah, go for it. Thinking of doing something more retro/pixelated maybe?

To be clear I should have said "I don't mind at all, go for it".

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #111 on: Sat, 10 October 2015, 17:13:45 »
Is it done yet? :D


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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #112 on: Sat, 10 October 2015, 22:26:07 »
Not sure about v1.1 but I'd definitely buy a set of v1.2.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #113 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 01:58:59 »
same... i'd be down for v1.2... not interested in v1.1 either..

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #114 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 09:30:14 »
I probably won't get in on this, but I definitely prefer v1.2. Good luck.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #115 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 09:37:34 »
The 1.2 design rocks, it is a very well balanced color combination with a nice retro syle; however, SA is not the profile for me, so I may not get into this.

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« Reply #116 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 12:18:11 »
V1.2 looks awesome. I'm in.
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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #117 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 13:48:53 »
Definitely v1.2

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #118 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 19:19:55 »
I definitely prefer version 1.2 over version 1.1. I'd also be interested in stepped caps and a 1800 kit.

I'm not too familiar with the g80-1800 kit. Does the original post here cover all the concerns? I'm trying to put together a "Non-ANSI" Kit that will cover as many boards as possible.

Yeah that covers it all, the geekhack key would be the "+" key though in the picture used as reference. Thanks :thumb:
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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #119 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 19:45:58 »
Very cool set :) Really liking the v.1.2 I really like the color combinations. I would be interested.
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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #120 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 21:41:23 »
The 1.2 design rocks, it is a very well balanced color combination with a nice retro syle; however, SA is not the profile for me, so I may not get into this.

Not choosing this set because you don't like the SA profile, what's wrong with you  >:( ?

Even though this key-set looks to be going in an opposite direction to my own personal taste of colour-way, this is still a bad-arse key-set for the purists at heart.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #121 on: Sun, 11 October 2015, 22:01:49 »
The 1.2 design rocks, it is a very well balanced color combination with a nice retro syle; however, SA is not the profile for me, so I may not get into this.

Not choosing this set because you don't like the SA profile, what's wrong with you  >:( ?

Even though this key-set looks to be going in an opposite direction to my own personal taste of colour-way, this is still a bad-arse key-set for the purists at heart.

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If only I could type on SA, even worst if it is a flat no profiled one. But yeah these sets are nice.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #122 on: Mon, 12 October 2015, 08:02:31 »
Is it done yet? :D    My board is ready.

Your board may be, but SP won't be for months  :(

In the meantime I need to find/make a board with a gigantic beige case to put these caps on.

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« Reply #123 on: Mon, 12 October 2015, 08:05:10 »
Is it done yet? :D    My board is ready.

Your board may be, but SP won't be for months  :(

In the meantime I need to find/make a board with a gigantic beige case to put these caps on.

That huge case will give an aesthetic balance the size of the SAs on it.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #124 on: Mon, 12 October 2015, 08:05:31 »
I'd like to try to run this set through Massdrop, any advice about when and how to do an interest poll over there? Should I wait until all the kits are 100% finalized? Should I add an option to an existing keycap poll or start a new one? etc...

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #125 on: Mon, 12 October 2015, 08:06:42 »
That huge case will give an aesthetic balance the size of the SAs on it.

So true.   :)

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #126 on: Mon, 12 October 2015, 08:33:07 »
I like this! I probably won't buy it, but the colors are nice!

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« Reply #127 on: Mon, 12 October 2015, 10:09:12 »
I'd like to try to run this set through Massdrop, any advice about when and how to do an interest poll over there? Should I wait until all the kits are 100% finalized? Should I add an option to an existing keycap poll or start a new one? etc...


Hey man - I've been following this set closely and obviously I am very interested. Let me see if I can setup a meeting with the massdrop guys and see what they say about next steps. I'll message you with more details.
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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #128 on: Mon, 12 October 2015, 11:00:17 »
I'm not a fan of the DSA profile but I think this would look awesome on either SA or DSA.
I made a mock-up of version 1.2 with amber alphas to see how the set would look with another classic monochrome color, but I prefer the green.  It might cost too much to make a double shot mold for it but I thought the command prompt would make a good novelty key, so I made a mock-up of a 1.25u key to replace the OS key.  That power button would be a nice novelty too.

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Wanted to bring this one back up - I'd be interested in the pricing on the alphas and the orange extras as an add-on set, I really like the spirit of the set with the orange plasma in there and I think it looks really sharp. I think it could tip in the group buy :D
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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #129 on: Mon, 12 October 2015, 13:42:15 »
I'd like to try to run this set through Massdrop, any advice about when and how to do an interest poll over there? Should I wait until all the kits are 100% finalized? Should I add an option to an existing keycap poll or start a new one? etc...

Email their support address with the form.  I believe that's what was done with the Troubled Minds set.  They seem to be able to point to IC threads here as some level of official status but you would need to confirm all the details with them.  Having MD staff in on things will certainly help as other ICs seem to just sit around despite high vote counts.  Would be nice if they could chime in on some of those with, "can't run this one at this time because X reason," so we know.

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« Reply #130 on: Mon, 12 October 2015, 14:09:21 »
If you want to run this on Massdrop your best bet is to start a poll on the site and show them how much interest there is.  It has worked well so far for Jukebox, Carbon, and Danger Zone.

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« Reply #131 on: Mon, 12 October 2015, 20:36:08 »
I made a mock-up of version 1.2 with amber alphas to see how the set would look with another classic monochrome color...
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Wanted to bring this one back up - I'd be interested in the pricing on the alphas and the orange extras as an add-on set, I really like the spirit of the set with the orange plasma in there and I think it looks really sharp. I think it could tip in the group buy :D

Updated original post with an "Amber Screen" Kit, per derezzed's idea. Thanks again, derezzed!

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #132 on: Mon, 12 October 2015, 21:34:12 »
I made a mock-up of version 1.2 with amber alphas to see how the set would look with another classic monochrome color...
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Wanted to bring this one back up - I'd be interested in the pricing on the alphas and the orange extras as an add-on set, I really like the spirit of the set with the orange plasma in there and I think it looks really sharp. I think it could tip in the group buy :D

Updated original post with an "Amber Screen" Kit, per derezzed's idea. Thanks again, derezzed!


Awesome! Looks great. I'm tempted to try out a dark orange on lighter orange keys though :D
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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #133 on: Wed, 14 October 2015, 08:54:30 »
Put me down for a set of the v1.2 keycaps!

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #134 on: Wed, 14 October 2015, 10:26:21 »
I don't think I've expressed my interest yet...but 1.2 is looking great. Just needs a Tsangan kit so I can swap this back to my custom if needed.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #135 on: Wed, 14 October 2015, 22:30:07 »
I don't think I've expressed my interest yet...but 1.2 is looking great. Just needs a Tsangan kit so I can swap this back to my custom if needed.

Hey, thanks. Can you or others comment on the significance of the "star" keys and the "diamond" keys in Tsangan kits? I'm seeing some variation in previous Tsangan kits (see links) and I'm not sure what those two in particular are used for (particularly the diamond caps).

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #136 on: Thu, 15 October 2015, 02:12:10 »
Updated original post with a "Not ANSI" Kit. I'm an ANSI 104 user, so take a look and let me know if anything "seems off" or if the kit could benefit from a few extra caps.

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« Reply #137 on: Thu, 15 October 2015, 02:20:39 »
Amber screen is extremely sexy.
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« Reply #138 on: Thu, 15 October 2015, 02:45:41 »
First set with alternate alphas I've even seen an IC for since Carbon... Needs to be more common IMO.

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« Reply #139 on: Thu, 15 October 2015, 03:44:04 »
This set gets better every time I take a look! The orange alphas are fantastic and I'd certainly order both. The computer I learned to code on at home was an Apple IIc with 10" green screen and my school had Apple IIe clone machines with orange phosphor displays, so I spent a lot of time on both. I love sets that have this kind of connection with cherished memories from my youth. Great job, admgc, truly. I'd love both cursor types to be made. I'd switch them out depending on which machne I hook the keyboard to :D

The stars and diamonds are supposed to be replacements for "Win" (also called "Super" or "OS") and "Menu" keys. Sometimes "Meta" is represented by a diamond, so I think that's the root, but I can't recall any real reason for the star. Super, Meta and Hyper are keys found on some older boards and systems and were modifiers similar in function to Win, Alt, AltGr and Ctrl on modern boards. A bit more info here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/19558/what-are-the-meta-super-and-hyper-keys
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« Reply #140 on: Thu, 15 October 2015, 10:49:08 »
This is coming together nicely. I really like the updates.

Any chance of adding a 1u r1 \| and a 1.5u r2 backspace for hhkb/infinity style layouts?

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« Reply #141 on: Thu, 15 October 2015, 20:03:55 »
Updated original post with a "Not ANSI" Kit. I'm an ANSI 104 user, so take a look and let me know if anything "seems off" or if the kit could benefit from a few extra caps.

Nice! This looks really good :)

If I'm wrong about the below, please feel free to chime in

Most korean customs don't include that 1u key in between CTRL and ALT (hence, they are win-key-less boards), but a Winkeyless brand board (like a b.87) usually has this key. Normally the key used is a 1u Windows key, but if it's not programmed to be that way, you could use the Star to designate something else (like FN or Meta). The diamond key would just be an image icon for Super (or Windows key)

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« Reply #142 on: Thu, 15 October 2015, 20:12:12 »
Updated original post with a "Not ANSI" Kit. I'm an ANSI 104 user, so take a look and let me know if anything "seems off" or if the kit could benefit from a few extra caps.

Nice! This looks really good :)

If I'm wrong about the below, please feel free to chime in

Most korean customs don't include that 1u key in between CTRL and ALT (hence, they are win-key-less boards), but a Winkeyless brand board (like a b.87) usually has this key. Normally the key used is a 1u Windows key, but if it's not programmed to be that way, you could use the Star to designate something else (like FN or Meta). The diamond key would just be an image icon for Super (or Windows key)

The current fad right now is winkeyless due to aesthetics, anytime there is a group buy for a kustom there will most likely have a winkeyless and winkey option. I'm going winkeyless with my upcoming build, curious to see how much better I'll like it. I like how CTRL[ALT] made their 1u keys with "Code" with the current GMK Hyperfuse set.
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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #143 on: Fri, 16 October 2015, 06:48:50 »
Just for info and perhaps originality, Apple II keyboards used "D" and "K" for homing keys (usually with centre nubs). I think having an "original homing key homage" kit of nubbed and deep dish D and K caps would be awesome. Another little item to differentiate the set.
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« Reply #144 on: Sat, 17 October 2015, 17:45:13 »
Interested! I like the amber alpha set too. I'd like to see one of the add on kits be a set of mods the same color as the alphas.
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« Reply #145 on: Sat, 17 October 2015, 18:48:24 »
Both the version 1.2 green and amber colorways are awesome.   Will there be an add on that includes a replacement for the Caps Lock key?   An R3 Control key would be a UNIX friendly nicety but I'd settle for anything not Caps Lock, perhaps a "Green Screen" or "Amber Screen" novelty key.

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« Reply #146 on: Sat, 17 October 2015, 20:32:04 »
Wow, v 1.2 is awesome. The novelty keys are really cool too.

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« Reply #147 on: Sat, 17 October 2015, 20:54:19 »
Both the version 1.2 green and amber colorways are awesome.   Will there be an add on that includes a replacement for the Caps Lock key?   An R3 Control key would be a UNIX friendly nicety but I'd settle for anything not Caps Lock, perhaps a "Green Screen" or "Amber Screen" novelty key.

There is the Back space key in the Alternate Layouts kit but I agree, definitely need both a control and a stepped CTRL key as well.

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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #148 on: Sun, 18 October 2015, 15:06:03 »
Its also probably wise for all designers to start taking HHKB/660c boards into consideration as well with the MX Compatible sliders right around the corner. Could add them to the non-standard adapter kit.
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Re: [IC] GREEN SCREEN SA Keycaps == Your Computer in the 1980s
« Reply #149 on: Sun, 18 October 2015, 16:27:59 »
Its also probably wise for all designers to start taking HHKB/660c boards into consideration as well with the MX Compatible sliders right around the corner. Could add them to the non-standard adapter kit.

I know this is totally off topic but do you know if there are SA spacebars in 6u that would fit the HHKB/Topre boards with the replacement sliders?