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GH60-Alps discussion
« on: Wed, 20 March 2013, 22:36:12 »
Continued from: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.msg828166#msg828166

Silent Matias Alps board would be pretty nice.
PCB layout should be easy enough to change once the GH60 PCB have been finalized (if Komar isn't interested in making the changes in layout, he could send someone the source files).

Keycaps should be available in the same sizes as Cherries, but don't know about doubleshots. Single shot ABS plastic ones in "stanard" layout should be dead easy to get.

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 20 March 2013, 23:17:02 »
Sourcing the right key caps could be a problem. Especially the modifier row since ALPS key caps tend to be all over the place. Safest bet would be to harvest them from Dell 101Ws which have standard 1.25 mods. You'd also need a correct plate which shouldn't be too hard either.

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 00:28:31 »
oh ****. matias custom quiet switches would be wicked dope on a mini board.  we would have to cannibalize matias boards though. i doubt they sell the switches.
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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 00:51:28 »
oh ****. matias custom quiet switches would be wicked dope on a mini board.  we would have to cannibalize matias boards though. i doubt they sell the switches.

http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/matias-alps-switches-taking-pre-orders-t4931.html

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 02:25:25 »
ok wow. there they are. and cheap. i am going to buy some.

what about the plate? can we use a cherry plate to mount alps switches? i dont really groove on PCB mount.

i would love a office ninja board. the matias switch would be perfect.  i would be happy with basic keycaps, preferably not matias keycaps though.
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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 02:29:40 »
Alps require plate mounts. And no cherry plates are not compatible with alps switches.

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 02:58:20 »
I have all specs for the plate, I've already made a plate for Alps for another project. That's not really the issue.

Problem are the keycaps. Regarding the stabilizers I have a ducky with alps that actually uses standard costar.

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 03:59:36 »
I'll talk to some friends about the caps. I know standard ANSI is not a problem, but ISO I'd have to ask.

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 04:03:43 »
I have an ALPS board but I don't care enough about it to open it up or mod it. Are you guys implying that the ALPS switch pins will fit fine with the current MX soldering pads?

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 04:29:40 »
nope, you need a new PCB too

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:29:35 »
You could eliminate the stabilizer issue by going with all 1x1, or some 1x1.25 caps.  SP could produce these.

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:21:28 »
we would need a SP ALPS groupbuy for keycaps... But with that color to start? White on black? Black on beige? CCnG?

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:24:20 »
I've just ordered some GH60 boards, but I'd love to build up an Alps version. I'm in.  ;D

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:21:47 »
I've just ordered some GH60 boards, but I'd love to build up an Alps version. I'm in.  ;D
Yeah, but would enough people be interested in keycaps? If not, one set would be really expensive...

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 11:42:38 »
I've just ordered some GH60 boards, but I'd love to build up an Alps version. I'm in.  ;D
Yeah, but would enough people be interested in keycaps? If not, one set would be really expensive...

At a MOQ of 50, things start to become not that expensive.

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 13:58:13 »
Are we talking about a complete set or just modifiers?

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 14:02:36 »
If we did a complete set of ANSI doubleshots, people could order them for their Filco Zeros, Ducky 1087XM, etc.

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 21 March 2013, 21:30:05 »
I don't know if there'd be enough demand for 50 sets...

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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 09:45:49 »
If we did a complete set of ANSI doubleshots, people could order them for their Filco Zeros, Ducky 1087XM, etc.

This + a small pack for the Matias keyboard owners to match their different modifiers and that should cover most the modern "ALPS" boards in ANSI-US.  While I suspect there might be enough of an interest for this to happen, I won't hold my breath.
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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 10:15:33 »
I don't know if there'd be enough demand for 50 sets...

There totally would be.  I think this project would get a fair bit of attention.
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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 10:20:12 »
DSA + ALPS... mmmh something is moving here below

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 10:39:26 »
I'd be interested in a GH60-Alps setup. I definitely would love to have a Monterey Blue/Complicated Blue or Grey Alps board.
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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 10:47:30 »
DSA + ALPS... mmmh something is moving here below

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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 10:48:56 »
DSA + ALPS... mmmh something is moving here below

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 11:54:35 »
Continued from: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.msg828166#msg828166

Silent Matias Alps board would be pretty nice.
PCB layout should be easy enough to change once the GH60 PCB have been finalized (if Komar isn't interested in making the changes in layout, he could send someone the source files).

Keycaps should be available in the same sizes as Cherries, but don't know about doubleshots. Single shot ABS plastic ones in "stanard" layout should be dead easy to get.
Assuming that someone has the ALPs switches footprint I can do it. I'll have to change the cherry switches by alps switches, just that, right?
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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 14:27:45 »
Continued from: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34959.msg828166#msg828166

Silent Matias Alps board would be pretty nice.
PCB layout should be easy enough to change once the GH60 PCB have been finalized (if Komar isn't interested in making the changes in layout, he could send someone the source files).

Keycaps should be available in the same sizes as Cherries, but don't know about doubleshots. Single shot ABS plastic ones in "stanard" layout should be dead easy to get.
Assuming that someone has the ALPs switches footprint I can do it. I'll have to change the cherry switches by alps switches, just that, right?


Are you offering to make an alps PCB?

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 14:51:50 »
Are you offering to make an alps PCB?
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« Reply #28 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 15:21:56 »
Wait just a doggone minute. Are we really talking about a fully programmable, customizable layout, Alps switch (Matias), Bluetooth/USB 60% keyboard, with custom DSA profile doubleshot PBT keycaps?

Now I think I'm starting to feel something move down there, also, Matt3o...

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 16:23:50 »
Wait just a doggone minute. Are we really talking about a fully programmable, customizable layout, Alps switch (Matias), Bluetooth/USB 60% keyboard, with custom DSA profile doubleshot PBT keycaps?
I think so, lucky you I do only have alps switches (blue, black, yellow, fakes and aliens).
I don't have any mathias switches - are they compatible with the "normal"alps?
Just a warning: I'm no Kicad expert, my plan is to get the GH60 Rev B PCB and change the switches there. I think it will be a good Kicad learning experience.
In eagle cad we can draw any part (footprint) unavailable in the library, I'll have to see how to make the same in kicad - this is my first task. I'm assuming that someone will provide the right measuring or guide me to get it using my little loved switches ...

IF it works we can do the same for the GHPad PCB ...

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It's a good feeling?
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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 16:36:48 »
You may have to use a testing version of KiCAD to open the gerbers. I think that's what komar used to create them.

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 16:41:28 »
You may have to use a testing version of KiCAD to open the gerbers. I think that's what komar used to create them.

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 16:59:30 »
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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 17:22:53 »
this might be useful

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shouldn't be a big problem to change the switches

one thing to note is that the plate is 1/1.2mm (should be 1.5mm instead for MX I believe)
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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 17:28:40 »
this might be useful

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shouldn't be a big problem to change the switches

one thing to note is that the plate is 1/1.2mm (should be 1.5mm instead for MX I believe)
Awesome!
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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 17:41:31 »
I'm probably asking too much but do you think it's possible to add this to the GH60 group buy before they start manufacturing?

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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 17:49:56 »
I'm probably asking too much but do you think it's possible to add this to the GH60 group buy before they start manufacturing?

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 19:13:46 »
I'm probably asking too much but do you think it's possible to add this to the GH60 group buy before they start manufacturing?
Assuming that I do succeed you can order it in the https://www.batchpcb.com/ site - they are the cheapest pcb service I know ...

I have searched the rev b files but they are not at the Komar's github ...
Please? anyone?
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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 19:39:23 »
So you upload your PCB design and they build it?

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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 19:47:53 »
So you upload your PCB design and they build it?
Yes, they will send the PCB to you - without any components soldered on it.
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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 22 March 2013, 20:30:39 »
Where do I source all the other necessary components such as controller chip..etc?

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« Reply #42 on: Sat, 23 March 2013, 02:40:02 »
we could even run a mini group buy (like 10/20 units). you might get this prior of the official one :)

the components from mouser I'd say.

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« Reply #43 on: Sat, 23 March 2013, 03:22:35 »
we could even run a mini group buy (like 10/20 units). you might get this prior of the official one :)

the components from mouser I'd say.

I would be so down for this!

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« Reply #44 on: Sat, 23 March 2013, 08:23:23 »
BatchPCB is only cheaper for small PCB sizes. At the size of a 60% board, you can get 5 PCBs made by a place like pcbwing.com for not much more than BatchPCB charges for one.

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« Reply #45 on: Sat, 23 March 2013, 08:36:36 »
I can have 20 boards at approx 15-20 each from a local store, something more if you want it black instead of green.

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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #46 on: Sat, 23 March 2013, 10:03:57 »
BatchPCB is only cheaper for small PCB sizes. At the size of a 60% board, you can get 5 PCBs made by a place like pcbwing.com for not much more than BatchPCB charges for one.
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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 23 March 2013, 10:52:02 »
So, I downloaded the GH60 rev b from Komar's github.

There is one lib on it's design with all used switches. Until so far I saw two types of switches, the normal one and another one with something like half of the width used in the normal switch (I think it's the Stabilizer).

The normal switch: MX1A-simple
The stabilizer switch: MXST

Is that right Komar?
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« Reply #48 on: Sat, 23 March 2013, 13:06:27 »
Yes, correct. My main footprint is MX1A-b, MXST is the stabilizer. The others are either some variations of MX1A-b or its previous versions.
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Re: GH60-Alps discussion
« Reply #49 on: Sat, 23 March 2013, 13:17:31 »
umm, i don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but why don't we get the MX version of the board done and out the door before we try to make another variant mmk? :)

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