Post by: oldcat on Thu, 28 February 2019, 20:47:26
GB/Raffle detailed plan posted: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99634.msg2742332#msg2742332
Brass starts 4/13, PC/alu start at 4/14, here is a graphic that contains most information for the upcoming GB:
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Hey my keeb friends, it's your boye oldcat here, to present a design in collaboration with airpotter from Gray Studio.
Krauth summarized René Descartes' philosophy succinctly, "That cannot doubt which does not think, and that cannot think which does not exist. I doubt, I think, I exist." As a fan of and heavily influenced by Descartes' Philosophy, I combined the key term with some design choices of this board, and named it "Think6.5°".
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THINK frame in my study room
THINK frame in my study room
Think6.5° has been more than 3 months in the making, and the prototype is currently being made. I think it is a good time to gather some final feedback for a potential production version. My original plan was to make about 10 boards (at a relatively high price) for myself and friends, but PCB maker is not willing to just make 10. Potter asked me about doing a GB to lower cost of production, if enough people in the community are interested. So here it is:
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Motivations and Design Choices
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1. It is a design that I had for quite a while, that combines many good elements from all the top-notch 65% boards I own, trying to optimize and come up with an ideal design, for my own taste. 65% keyboards comprise a significant portion of my life out of the busy work schedules, and some of you have probably heard of and joked about my owning many Canoe boards. Indeed, the amazing designs like TGR910, Canoe, Zephyr, etc are the true inspirations for me, and I am trying to come up with a design that looks good and also optimizes typing sound. The final two candidates are 4.5mm PC plate vs. a gasket 1.5mm aluminum or 1.5mm brass plate. In our testing, thicc PC plate stands out.
2. From the typing sound perspective, we adopt a thick 4.5mm PC plate integrated to the top plate, PC helps to preserve the sound of the switch while simultaneously maintain typing consistency. No metal rattling or high-pitched sound from thick aluminum or brass.
3. I have always advocated for affordable premium-quality boards. Gray certainly shares this value. Therefore, for this board, the pricing will be very affordable and competitive compared with current offerings in the market, as per the tradition of prior Gray Studio GBs. Personally, I will promise you that as a designer I will not take a single dollar of profit out of a potential GB, the money will go to high-quality material, best processes, and Potter's and our PCB designer's manufacturing costs and operating expense.
5. Angle will be 6.5 degrees, hence the name. In my experience, 5° is a bit flat (feels ok), and 8° is too steep, so why not 6.5°, it feels good.
6. It will be PC only. Currently I do not have the intention to make an aluminum case, I believe there are many good aluminum board options in the market. If there are many requests, we will do a slight modification to make the metal version either top mount or gasket mount, shouldn't be too much work as we have other top and gasket designs already.
7. A high-quality, good looking, hotswap, QMK, Type-C PCB with underglow is being developed and will be included if this ever goes to GB stage. I know god-like Wilba's PCB is hard to beat, but our goal and material and process we use for this PCB will be that kind of quality.
TL; DR, What are the Features?
1. Premium-quality, affordable Polycarbonate (PC) board
2. 6.5 degree angle
3. PVD Brass Badge and PVD Brass Weight
4. 4.5mm, perfectly-cut PC Plate specifically designed for both the sound optimization and typing consistency with most switches (not your regular metal integrated plate!)
5. Three versions: ANSI Hotswap with badge (compact 660), ANSI hotswap without badge, Compatible-layout non-hotswap
6. Premium-quality PCB with QMK, type-C (connector position in the middle), underglow, ESC key 4XRGB, hotswap (non-hotswap PCB for compatible layouts).
7. GB price (1*case, with or without brass badge, 1*brass weight, 1* PCB, 1*box, accessories): under $300 (confirmed to be $299.98), looks like after redesigning some parts and adding compatibility etc cost is going up quite a bit, but I will honor my promise for being pro bono, and hence this pricing for this particular GB.
8. There will be some exciting raffles for this GB, including a few discounted raffle boards and some free special color badges/weights to share my love with this community: raffle board estimated around $250 (confirmed to be $250). Details for the raffle are being discussed and forthcoming.
9. Limited Edition full brass versions (comes in PVD black, PVD rose gold, and PVD gold) will be available at $650, details forthcoming.
9. Design: oldcat and airpotter
10. manufacturer: gray studio and factory
11. Compatible with PCB screw-in stabilizers
12. Badge 3D-model file will be open-sourced after GB
13. China GB and Geekhack GB will be the same pricing (excludes fees and shipping).
Supported Layouts
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Note: All 4 layouts will be made.
Interest Check Form and Polls
Please fill out the form below, in which you will see a few polls regarding layout, PCB color combo, and pricing, for those who already submitted a form, please kindly update to fill out the PCB color combo poll:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1KRWAYYYrB1h_g5ScqGBNsXAQZ2xYPu9bjIPLAIRx--4 (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1KRWAYYYrB1h_g5ScqGBNsXAQZ2xYPu9bjIPLAIRx--4)
After you fill out the polls, you can view the summary graphics, or use this link:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1KRWAYYYrB1h_g5ScqGBNsXAQZ2xYPu9bjIPLAIRx--4/viewanalytics (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1KRWAYYYrB1h_g5ScqGBNsXAQZ2xYPu9bjIPLAIRx--4/viewanalytics)
Timeline
March 31 6:50PM PST: GB and Raffle details
April 10: GB forms open for viewing
April 13: 6:50AM -6:50PM PST: Brass Raffle
April 14: 6:50:00PM PST: Alu/PC GBs start
Completion: 3-4 months after GB payment collection
Feel free to pre-fill the forms and submit after GB opening time.
Links of interest
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This ESC 4XRGB mod is a must-have in the Chinese enthusiast community, now we make it built-in :)
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Make Log (since GH IC Debut)
2/28/2019:
1.Case: Initial design complete, prototypes production in progress, eta 1-2 weeks. Will make multiple prototypes regarding badge placement.
2.PCB: Design complete, prototypes production in progress, eta 2 weeks.
3/1/2019:
Sincere thanks to so many friends who have filled out the IC form! Based on the feedback from the first day:
1.Confirmed that we will make 1 case with badge (badge placement TBD), and 1 case without the badge. The blocker near the arrow cluster will stay.
2.We are exploring different colors of PC materials.
3.We are working on simplifying the bottom brass weight.
4.Most likely a second non-hotswap PCB will be provided either as a kit bundle or as an option (TBD).
3/2/2019:
1. new renders updated
2. PCB design posted
3. Received additional feedback and working on them
3/3/2019:
1. Badge with 3 upper indicator light has been adopted.
2. We will provide different colors of LEDs for the indicator lights, and hotswap SIP led sockets
3. Confirmed PCB design for the build-in 4XRGB circling on the ESC key.
4. Stepped capslock will be compatible
5. Font orientation on the badge being tweaked
6. Finalizing weight design and send .step file to factory
7. I believe we have addressed most concerns and feedback so far, and any additional feedback welcome.
8. Confirmed a third case option that supports compatible layouts (7u space, ISO, split BS).
3/4/2019:
1. Still working on refining the badge (alignment, font orientation) and the weight (some don't like the horizontal stripes, we are coming up with a better design). Rendering software hung a few times, it was frustrating and maybe time to get a new computer
2. Decide that we will make the badge's 3D model opensourced after GB, so that participants can make their own badge and print out with other materials. Default brass badge will still be included for #1.
3/5/2019:
1. Redesigned weight plan is out. Gather feedback to finetune
2. Renders for our meticulously-designed 4.5mm plate is out, optimized for all MX switches including Holy Panda
3. Badge design has been finalized. Still working on weight design (overnight).
4. PCB design finalized.
3/6/2019:
1. Weight and badge design completed.
2. PCB sent for prototyping
3. Cases sent for prototyping
3/8/2019:
1. 3D Print prototype received and passed all tests.
2. CNC prototype being machined
3/9/2019 - 3/10/2019:
1. Rendering more images with different keycap colorways while we wait for the CNC prototype.
2. Received PCB Prototype. Tested and fully functional.
3/11/2019 - 3/13/2019:
1. Waiting for CNC prototype
2. Adding poll for an additional layout.
3. CNC Prototype partially finished, see pictures in one of the later posts.
3/14/2019 - 3/15/2019:
Factory closed for a few days temporarily for the Chinese Party National Meetings.
3/17/2019:
1. CNC cases have been made, pending sand-blasting. CNC cases checked for accuracy of the edges and the holes and passed QC.
2. Badges/weights CNC in progress, will get PVD treatment and anodization soon
3/18/2019:
1. Still waiting on the prototype items.
2. Added full pvd brass version to the prototyping queue, and considering that as an option for a special edition limited to a small quantity (~$650).
3/21/2019:
1. #3 Layout CNC finished, frosted. #1 and #2 in progress, badges/weights CNC done, awaiting anodization and PVD.
3/22/2019:
Based on numerous requests from users on additional aluminum bottom piece, I gave Potter a call about this possibility. So I updated the Poll with a new question on the optional aluminum bottom. If there is not enough interest we will drop this option.
3/24/2019:
1. A decision was made to include full aluminum board as a separate option. I am not a big fan of Koyu/Doro/M60A style integrated plate for the reasons I have mentioned. But there are many requests. There will be a few colors available, no MOQ because demand from China is enough to cover MOQ. Same price as Polycarbonate.
2. Bottom case prototype done, pictures updated.
3. We will announce GB and raffle details 3/31/2019 6:50PM MST.
3/28/2019:
1. More badges and weights are being made.
2. Black, glass fiber enhanced PC board prototype is being made.
Post by: fcoury on Thu, 28 February 2019, 20:49:53
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Post by: mrpetrov on Thu, 28 February 2019, 20:52:18
I actually am moving to position 3...
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Post by: appaboy on Thu, 28 February 2019, 23:34:14
You forgot to include 4 - no badge
I concur.
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Post by: Emir on Fri, 01 March 2019, 02:21:11
Swedish Linjär community inspires! :D Jokes aside, this is always respectable!
I personally hope for an alu gasket mount, love the design!
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Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 01 March 2019, 06:36:47
- Hotswappable.
- PC.
- Integrated plate.
- That quasi-FC660 layout.
- Supposedly affordable
- QMK
- USB Type-C
Now if only you can add a Bluetooth controller (hey you already solve the problem of connectivity by making it all-PC). That'd be my MX endgame :)
Post by: Visionaire on Fri, 01 March 2019, 08:09:07
Number 1 is the best placement IMO. Underglow RGBBBBBB please.
Post by: t0ch on Fri, 01 March 2019, 09:01:59
#3 has my vote
Edit: nevermind, just noticed the hotswappable so split isn't possible
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 09:56:53
Dang, no split backspace?
#3 has my vote
Edit: nevermind, just noticed the hotswappable so split isn't possible
If there is enough interest, we can consider making a non-hotswap PCB compatible with a few popular layouts.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 09:58:38
"Personally, I will not take a single dollar out of a potential GB"
Swedish Linjär community inspires! :D Jokes aside, this is always respectable!
I personally hope for an alu gasket mount, love the design!
Hey thanks! Yes Gasket-mount should only require a bit of a tweak. If this is aluminum we will definitely go with Gasket or top-mount. PC thicc plate outperforms gasket in our testing, hence we finally decide to adopt this design.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 09:59:14
You forgot to include 4 - no badge
Can always have that option I guess. My concern is that the case will look quite plain, and too similar to 910.
Post by: b3nkei on Fri, 01 March 2019, 09:59:31
Post by: Pheyn on Fri, 01 March 2019, 10:58:22
+1 for a non-hotswap pcb. Hotswap only kills my interest unfortunately.
I would also vote for no badge. Having the badge take up 2 key slots removes too much functionality for me. But If I had to choose one of the 3, option 3 looks the most unique.
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Post by: eyedrop on Fri, 01 March 2019, 11:54:20
I'll see how I can support this project when the GB comes. :thumb:
Post by: bardomudo on Fri, 01 March 2019, 13:06:05
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 13:11:40
Is the groupbuy going to have limited spots?
My current plan is to do a raffle for a few spots for very low cost-level units. I will pay for those units upfront and will be ready-to-ship stock, as something to give back to the community.
And if there is enough demand, we will do a regular no-limit GB, priced at a level of mid to lower end of what you guys indicated in our pricing survey. I am actually quite a bit concerned about low price being perceived as not high-end. That has happened with ALF's DC60 before (at least in China people think DC60 is a very low-end item, the fact is ALF didn't take a profit).
I am actually not sure how you guys want this GB to be: lower price, no limit; or higher price limit -- either way I am not planning to take money out, all profit, if there is any, will go to fund Gray Studio's operations. If you have a suggestion feel free to let us know!
Post by: eyedrop on Fri, 01 March 2019, 13:32:33
I think people perceive low cost as low quality. That is the wrong mentality in this community and will lead maker to take a higher profit just to give people the false sense of paying for a high quality product. I am not against people making a profit, just saying.
Keep up the good work. I want to be in on that low cost-level unit raffle.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Fri, 01 March 2019, 14:35:37
Therefore I don't think it's really a good question to pose to the community. Obviously low price and high quantity is better for the community. But given all the other concurrent projects right now I would only be comfortable joining it if you are comfortable running it. The DC60 seems to have gone well enough and the Doro67 looks like it will turn out OK as well, so I'm cautiously optimistic.
Other than QC, the only other reason to prefer low quantity and high price is if you are a clout-chaser or flipper. I don't think we should encourage that behavior any further.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 15:01:15
The main thing that prompted me to work with Gray was really that ALF is busy with a few GBs not yet fully delivered (e.g., X1.1, Unigo, and more recently, Dolch.CR and G60) and he is working on a few new projects. Given I am not sure how much profit I can bring to him with this project, I don't want to put extra burden on him.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 15:05:11
The only reason to not prefer "low price, no limit" Is the risk of poor QC, or delays.
Therefore I don't think it's really a good question to pose to the community. Obviously low price and high quantity is better for the community. But given all the other concurrent projects right now I would only be comfortable joining it if you are comfortable running it. The DC60 seems to have gone well enough and the Doro67 looks like it will turn out OK as well, so I'm cautiously optimistic.
Other than QC, the only other reason to prefer low quantity and high price is if you are a clout-chaser or flipper. I don't think we should encourage that behavior any further.
Thanks bro,
Please see my response above. This is not going to be manufactured by ALF.
For previous GBs, I was helping out. For this one, I’m doing the design and will oversee the manufacturing process.
Post by: heyitsqi on Fri, 01 March 2019, 15:49:15
1. Badge is weird but I get it. It's a unique design aesthetic similar to the 910s. I like either 1 or 3.
2. The price question I felt was a weird question to pose to the community. I feel as if you're just going to get fairly terrible data out of it. If we assume all things equal, why would anyone vote for more than the lowest option? Like without context, if I assume the extremes (great board, superb QC vs crap qc, crap hardware) I'm always going to pay the lowest cost to reduce my risk or maximize my value. It's also hard for me to answer this question without the context of manufacturing cost, material cost, etc. Is PC cheaper than alu? My assumption is yes but I could be wrong too given that maybe PC is hard to get right vs alu, etc.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 16:42:36
I responded in the IC form and a couple of comments,
1. Badge is weird but I get it. It's a unique design aesthetic similar to the 910s. I like either 1 or 3.
2. The price question I felt was a weird question to pose to the community. I feel as if you're just going to get fairly terrible data out of it. If we assume all things equal, why would anyone vote for more than the lowest option? Like without context, if I assume the extremes (great board, superb QC vs crap qc, crap hardware) I'm always going to pay the lowest cost to reduce my risk or maximize my value. It's also hard for me to answer this question without the context of manufacturing cost, material cost, etc. Is PC cheaper than alu? My assumption is yes but I could be wrong too given that maybe PC is hard to get right vs alu, etc.
Thanks!
For Q1. Maybe we can provide 2 options of badge is not most people's cup of tea.
For Q2. Thank you, I think you have a very fair point. And the survey question may induce biased opinions. However, based on the data, there is ample variation regarding pricing actually, you should be able to view the raw data regarding participants' expected reasonable price for a high-end PC board.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 16:43:47
This is near perfect for me.
- Hotswappable.
- PC.
- Integrated plate.
- That quasi-FC660 layout.
- Supposedly affordable
- QMK
- USB Type-C
Now if only you can add a Bluetooth controller (hey you already solve the problem of connectivity by making it all-PC). That'd be my MX endgame :)
Not sure if many people are interested in bluetooth - if so we can consider developing that in a subsequent PCB. My perception has been that there is relatively low community interest in bluetooth, but I can certainly be wrong!
Post by: clik_clak on Fri, 01 March 2019, 16:49:31
Just my two cents.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 17:27:21
I understand you want credit for your work, but having your names on the case would make this a definite no for me. Maybe create a small logo or something, maybe something like Kira's logo.
Just my two cents.
It's a fair point. Thanks for the suggestion. I will think about this, maybe making it less conspicuous.
Given I am not going to take any profit out of this design, I think having my geekhack username on there is fair :)
Post by: sandragm on Fri, 01 March 2019, 18:02:33
As far as the weight, any chance we could get other material options that could bring down the cost a bit? I understand the need for a weight given that PC is so light, but it would be neat to have a more affordable option for those of us who aren't set on brass and want to save a little money.
All that being said, I'll keep an eye on this. It's definitely caught my eye!
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 18:33:56
I'm not really into the badge. I think it's disproportionate in size and too much of a distraction from an otherwise sleek design. I'm also not a huge fan of blockers, so I'd rather not have that either, but that's not as much of a dealbreaker for me as the badge is (though I strongly prefer no blocker).
As far as the weight, any chance we could get other material options that could bring down the cost a bit? I understand the need for a weight given that PC is so light, but it would be neat to have a more affordable option for those of us who aren't set on brass and want to save a little money.
All that being said, I'll keep an eye on this. It's definitely caught my eye!
Hey you will probably get the brass stuff at the price of comparable GBs without brass weight :)
That said I will probably get aluminum weight proto to see if the case has enough weight
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Fri, 01 March 2019, 20:35:28
Really like everything else about the board.
Any ideas on estimated price or timeframe ?
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 20:57:45
Position 3.
Really like everything else about the board.
Any ideas on estimated price or timeframe ?
Talking to the manufacturer about the MOQ, cost breakdown, etc. Don't think there should be too much worry about price I think :)
Next week we should be able to get the prototype. We will check if we need to finetune any details, and go from there.
Post by: omjak on Fri, 01 March 2019, 21:28:59
i did not understand the intention behind the pricing question... "affordable" varies from person to person, and the lower the number the more affordable something is, buy perhaps it meant to ask the highest amount willing to pay?
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 21:43:24
Position 3
i did not understand the intention behind the pricing question... "affordable" varies from person to person, and the lower the number the more affordable something is, buy perhaps it meant to ask the highest amount willing to pay?
Yes, you are correct. It is asking what is the amount you are willing to pay, for a kit of PC board + PCB + PVD brass badge and weight.
Currently, those high-end PC boards are selling for over $350, before adding brass weights (probably at least another $50), I believe. But a majority (84%) in our survey indicated $250 - $300 is the reasonable price range.
I think I can make this price range work (basically taking out my designer profit part), perhaps as low as possible. Again, I will make a pricing decision later when the cost breakdown comes in soon. That said, I really don't want this board to be associated with being a mid- or lower-tier board. Maybe there is a way.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 March 2019, 21:47:42
It looks really nice. Are the words on the three nameplates the same? Can you customize it freely?
Not sure about customization job, but I will likely open source the badge design after GB, in case some want to print out additional ones with different material or make their own logo.
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Post by: dr_unconscionable on Sat, 02 March 2019, 01:43:57
I'm in agreement with some other commenters though that the branding on the case, weight, and nameplate is a little busy for such an otherwise sleek and streamlined board. Keep it simple and stylish -- please no text! If you want to reduce costs too, having very minimalistic engraving will be cheaper.
Post by: ilouis_07 on Sat, 02 March 2019, 01:48:54
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sat, 02 March 2019, 03:07:03
I've been wanting a polycarb board for a while now so definitely very interested!
I'm in agreement with some other commenters though that the branding on the case, weight, and nameplate is a little busy for such an otherwise sleek and streamlined board. Keep it simple and stylish -- please no text! If you want to reduce costs too, having very minimalistic engraving will be cheaper.
On one hand, yeah, it's a tad too big.
On another, I am of the opinion that a custom case just needs to look super nice as you look down on it while typing. The bottom? Meh. I'm not planning to pick such a heavy keyboard up that often.
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 02 March 2019, 07:47:44
Position 3
i did not understand the intention behind the pricing question... "affordable" varies from person to person, and the lower the number the more affordable something is, buy perhaps it meant to ask the highest amount willing to pay?
I don't think there is much to worry about with this perceived as a low end board. AFAIK there hasn't been any budget PC offerings & honestly if it comes in at the popular pricing of $250 to $300 someone would have to be super elitist to think it is low end. I really don't get the perception of those who think a board isn't high end unless it costs a ton & has very limited units available. Sure usually the more expensive the higher the quality of the parts & having an exclusive board is nice. Although I highly disagree that those 2 points make for the best boards out there. The tuning of the parts & how the board feels to type on is the two most important aspects to me. I'd honestly rather use a properly tuned (switch/stabilizer swapped, both properly lubed, & sound damped if necessary) off the shelf board than a terribly built high end kit. I know that probably isn't the most popular opinion, but that is really how I feel about it.
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 02 March 2019, 09:55:33
I've been wanting a polycarb board for a while now so definitely very interested!
I'm in agreement with some other commenters though that the branding on the case, weight, and nameplate is a little busy for such an otherwise sleek and streamlined board. Keep it simple and stylish -- please no text! If you want to reduce costs too, having very minimalistic engraving will be cheaper.
On one hand, yeah, it's a tad too big.
On another, I am of the opinion that a custom case just needs to look super nice as you look down on it while typing. The bottom? Meh. I'm not planning to pick such a heavy keyboard up that often.coughTimeTKLcough
Thanks for the feedback. Both are being worked on.
Post by: Jinnnxxu on Sat, 02 March 2019, 10:13:08
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 02 March 2019, 10:18:47
Position 3
i did not understand the intention behind the pricing question... "affordable" varies from person to person, and the lower the number the more affordable something is, buy perhaps it meant to ask the highest amount willing to pay?
I don't think there is much to worry about with this perceived as a low end board. AFAIK there hasn't been any budget PC offerings & honestly if it comes in at the popular pricing of $250 to $300 someone would have to be super elitist to think it is low end. I really don't get the perception of those who think a board isn't high end unless it costs a ton & has very limited units available. Sure usually the more expensive the higher the quality of the parts & having an exclusive board is nice. Although I highly disagree that those 2 points make for the best boards out there. The tuning of the parts & how the board feels to type on is the two most important aspects to me. I'd honestly rather use a properly tuned (switch/stabilizer swapped, both properly lubed, & sound damped if necessary) off the shelf board than a terribly built high end kit. I know that probably isn't the most popular opinion, but that is really how I feel about it.
Thank you very much for your thoughtful comments. I will stay firm with my original intention for this GB. And I have updated the estimated pricing. Final details for the cost-breakdown is coming from the factory, but I think I can make it work. I have many quite expensive boards, and this one has to be on par or better in terms of quality.
Post by: DEMO S on Sat, 02 March 2019, 10:39:01
Post by: hillmu on Sat, 02 March 2019, 11:03:07
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 02 March 2019, 11:59:11
Just a thought:
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Post by: oldcat on Sat, 02 March 2019, 12:00:22
What if you did position 1 or 3 but make the badge more of a square and put either an led slit (like canoe) or 3 NCS indicators under it?
Just a thought:
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Great suggestion, will discuss this now
Post by: switchnollie on Sat, 02 March 2019, 12:14:49
Post by: b3nkei on Sat, 02 March 2019, 12:35:01
Post by: tunadesu on Sat, 02 March 2019, 12:37:09
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 02 March 2019, 12:39:10
Skipped going for the poly on the e6.5 so I could try this. Will be my 1st poly case. I know you have a lot of swtich/poly experience, oldcat. Do you like running linears or holy gsus on poly?
Hey there!
If you lube retooled blacks, it won’t make so much difference if you type on aluminum or poly carb. But for tactile like holy panda, pc will sound better as it preserves the switch sound (which I like a lot)
Post by: tunadesu on Sat, 02 March 2019, 12:45:57
Skipped going for the poly on the e6.5 so I could try this. Will be my 1st poly case. I know you have a lot of swtich/poly experience, oldcat. Do you like running linears or holy gsus on poly?
Hey there!
If you lube retooled blacks, it won’t make so much difference if you type on aluminum or poly carb. But for tactile like holy panda, pc will sound better as it preserves the switch sound (which I like a lot)
Perfect, thanks! Just waiting on my 63.5g springs to show up, then I will have many-a holy panda's waiting :)
Post by: chouyu on Sat, 02 March 2019, 13:01:27
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 02 March 2019, 15:56:41
Does this layout have a 2u rshift? I didn’t see a diagram of the layout in the OP.
R shift is 1.75u
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Sat, 02 March 2019, 16:37:55
What if you did position 1 or 3 but make the badge more of a square and put either an led slit (like canoe) or 3 NCS indicators under it? Of course you would want to rethink the badge design to fill in the space properly. I just moved some stuff around, but a badge that reads horizontal might look better in this space. Not sure how to solve the problem of light bleed on those indicators though.
Just a thought:
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Big fan of this idea. Also much prefer the indicators on the bottom of the badge.
Post by: mgsickler on Sat, 02 March 2019, 18:00:56
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 02 March 2019, 18:35:01
For underglow, I will make 2 prototypes, one as shown in the image, the other will be a circle of underglow LEDs, and will compare which one produces a better result.
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Post by: KevlarBear on Sat, 02 March 2019, 19:30:57
Post by: bardomudo on Sat, 02 March 2019, 20:01:55
What if you did position 1 or 3 but make the badge more of a square and put either an led slit (like canoe) or 3 NCS indicators under it? Of course you would want to rethink the badge design to fill in the space properly. I just moved some stuff around, but a badge that reads horizontal might look better in this space. Not sure how to solve the problem of light bleed on those indicators though.
Just a thought:
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What a fantastic suggestion. I fully support this.
Post by: nu_types on Sat, 02 March 2019, 21:38:56
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 02 March 2019, 21:46:12
What if you did position 1 or 3 but make the badge more of a square and put either an led slit (like canoe) or 3 NCS indicators under it? Of course you would want to rethink the badge design to fill in the space properly. I just moved some stuff around, but a badge that reads horizontal might look better in this space. Not sure how to solve the problem of light bleed on those indicators though.
Just a thought:
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What a fantastic suggestion. I fully support this.
Thanks bro. We are looking into whether we can make 1 PCB to accommodate the light dots. The challenge is to allow 2 switches (for no-badge version) while adding leds in nearby positions
Post by: eyedrop on Sat, 02 March 2019, 21:48:57
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 02 March 2019, 21:53:57
Position 3
i did not understand the intention behind the pricing question... "affordable" varies from person to person, and the lower the number the more affordable something is, buy perhaps it meant to ask the highest amount willing to pay?
I don't think there is much to worry about with this perceived as a low end board. AFAIK there hasn't been any budget PC offerings & honestly if it comes in at the popular pricing of $250 to $300 someone would have to be super elitist to think it is low end. I really don't get the perception of those who think a board isn't high end unless it costs a ton & has very limited units available. Sure usually the more expensive the higher the quality of the parts & having an exclusive board is nice. Although I highly disagree that those 2 points make for the best boards out there. The tuning of the parts & how the board feels to type on is the two most important aspects to me. I'd honestly rather use a properly tuned (switch/stabilizer swapped, both properly lubed, & sound damped if necessary) off the shelf board than a terribly built high end kit. I know that probably isn't the most popular opinion, but that is really how I feel about it.
Thank you very much for your thoughtful comments. I will stay firm with my original intention for this GB. And I have updated the estimated pricing. Final details for the cost-breakdown is coming from the factory, but I think I can make it work. I have many quite expensive boards, and this one has to be on par or better in terms of quality.
That is great to hear, I really respect the way you're going about this project! This will be a great chance for those who can't afford the ultra high end boards to get in on one at a reasonable cost. If all goes to plan & this reaches GB, when it's said done I think all of us buyers will definitely owe you one! :thumb:
Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 02 March 2019, 21:57:28
Oh, I like that weight design.
Yeah it is a very nice design for it! Also glad to hear he's considering offering non hotswap PCBs!
Post by: Bhk1004 on Sat, 02 March 2019, 22:05:27
Oh, I like that weight design.
Yeah it is a very nice design for it! Also glad to hear he's considering offering non hotswap PCBs!
Curious the reason against hotswap?
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 March 2019, 00:43:47
Position 3.
Really like everything else about the board.
Any ideas on estimated price or timeframe ?
Thank you for the support!
1. Estimated price has been updated.
2. Time frame: plan to start GB in March if our proto turns out perfect. At least we will do the raffle non-profit one soon.
Post by: vicissitude on Sun, 03 March 2019, 00:50:47
Another great work from Gray Studio. :thumb:
Post by: Aevyn on Sun, 03 March 2019, 01:25:15
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 March 2019, 01:55:29
What if you did position 1 or 3 but make the badge more of a square and put either an led slit (like canoe) or 3 NCS indicators under it? Of course you would want to rethink the badge design to fill in the space properly. I just moved some stuff around, but a badge that reads horizontal might look better in this space. Not sure how to solve the problem of light bleed on those indicators though.
Just a thought:
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Again thanks for the contribution!
Just finished working on this. It’s possible with hotswap. So we decided to adopt your upper 3 indicator light design. We will provide different colors of LEDs and hotswap sip led sockets too!
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 March 2019, 02:09:16
Something like this.
Not a valid vimeo URL
And on PCB, there will be 4 rgb LEDs soldered to circle the ESC key. Plate will be cut perfectly to accomodate those 4 leds
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Post by: empa on Sun, 03 March 2019, 04:49:37
Skipped going for the poly on the e6.5 so I could try this..
Same.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 March 2019, 09:51:24
Oh, I like that weight design.
Yeah it is a very nice design for it! Also glad to hear he's considering offering non hotswap PCBs!
Curious the reason against hotswap?
I think the community’s views towards hotswap havd always been kind of polarized.
I don’t think it has anything to do with convenience it brings but more of the soldering experience and compatibility hotswap boards lacks (e.g., some prefer ISO layout, some likes split space, etc.)
That said we intend to do both hotswap and non-hotswap PCBs and try to bring compatibility into the project (compatibility layouts TBD, still have cost concerns once too many options are provided)
Post by: moitorpsychoo on Sun, 03 March 2019, 10:09:40
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 March 2019, 13:21:05
Wow.
Another great work from Gray Studio. :thumb:
Thanks much, bro!
Post by: Darknight00z on Sun, 03 March 2019, 13:25:43
Pcb will have a built-in 4XRGB for your artisan glow dreams. I believe it’s first time a pcb is done with it. I had one custom made with this and it’s great.
Something like this.
(Attachment Link)
And on PCB, there will be 4 rgb LEDs soldered to circle the ESC key. Plate will be cut perfectly to accomodate those 4 leds
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Amazing!
Post by: ptiede on Sun, 03 March 2019, 13:34:12
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Sun, 03 March 2019, 13:48:42
Awesome that a PCB option will be available for split backspace, a must for me now that I've been using that layout. I'd also like to see split spacebar in 2.25, 1.25, 2.75; quickly becoming a must-have for me as well.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 03 March 2019, 13:58:54
Pcb will have a built-in 4XRGB for your artisan glow dreams. I believe it’s first time a pcb is done with it. I had one custom made with this and it’s great.
Something like this.
(Attachment Link)
And on PCB, there will be 4 rgb LEDs soldered to circle the ESC key. Plate will be cut perfectly to accomodate those 4 leds
(Attachment Link)
That's pretty cool, man. Might convince me to buy an artisan cap after all of these years. Honestly, it might be cool just to have an polycarb milled cap that says THINK6.5
Post by: PikaJoyce on Sun, 03 March 2019, 15:16:06
+1!Pcb will have a built-in 4XRGB for your artisan glow dreams. I believe it’s first time a pcb is done with it. I had one custom made with this and it’s great.
Something like this.
(Attachment Link)
And on PCB, there will be 4 rgb LEDs soldered to circle the ESC key. Plate will be cut perfectly to accomodate those 4 leds
(Attachment Link)
That's pretty cool, man. Might convince me to buy an artisan cap after all of these years. Honestly, it might be cool just to have an polycarb milled cap that says THINK6.5
That's actually an amazing idea! I would totally pick one up if instead of a big gold badge, we get an artisan esc key that lights up! I find that the badge is obtrusive, but having an artisan esc key that full takes in the 4 LEDs is a more unobtrusive way to display a "tag".
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 March 2019, 15:23:02
+1!Pcb will have a built-in 4XRGB for your artisan glow dreams. I believe it’s first time a pcb is done with it. I had one custom made with this and it’s great.
Something like this.
(Attachment Link)
And on PCB, there will be 4 rgb LEDs soldered to circle the ESC key. Plate will be cut perfectly to accomodate those 4 leds
(Attachment Link)
That's pretty cool, man. Might convince me to buy an artisan cap after all of these years. Honestly, it might be cool just to have an polycarb milled cap that says THINK6.5
That's actually an amazing idea! I would totally pick one up if instead of a big gold badge, we get an artisan esc key that lights up! I find that the badge is obtrusive, but having an artisan esc key that full takes in the 4 LEDs is a more unobtrusive way to display a "tag".
Hey thanks for the feedback! We will now provide the no-badge version.
For artisan - will see if I can find a good artist to work with!
What kind of matching artisan will be ideal?
Post by: PikaJoyce on Sun, 03 March 2019, 15:37:45
I know it might be difficult to mill a small PC keycap, but anything that can show off the LEDs as well as have Think 6.5 on it. It's a great alternative to having a giant badge. :)+1!Pcb will have a built-in 4XRGB for your artisan glow dreams. I believe it’s first time a pcb is done with it. I had one custom made with this and it’s great.
Something like this.
(Attachment Link)
And on PCB, there will be 4 rgb LEDs soldered to circle the ESC key. Plate will be cut perfectly to accomodate those 4 leds
(Attachment Link)
That's pretty cool, man. Might convince me to buy an artisan cap after all of these years. Honestly, it might be cool just to have an polycarb milled cap that says THINK6.5
That's actually an amazing idea! I would totally pick one up if instead of a big gold badge, we get an artisan esc key that lights up! I find that the badge is obtrusive, but having an artisan esc key that full takes in the 4 LEDs is a more unobtrusive way to display a "tag".
Hey thanks for the feedback! We will now provide the no-badge version.
For artisan - will see if I can find a good artist to work with!
What kind of matching artisan will be ideal?
Post by: Bhk1004 on Sun, 03 March 2019, 15:42:33
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 March 2019, 15:49:00
I know it might be difficult to mill a small PC keycap, but anything that can show off the LEDs as well as have Think 6.5 on it. It's a great alternative to having a giant badge. :)+1!Pcb will have a built-in 4XRGB for your artisan glow dreams. I believe it’s first time a pcb is done with it. I had one custom made with this and it’s great.
Something like this.
(Attachment Link)
And on PCB, there will be 4 rgb LEDs soldered to circle the ESC key. Plate will be cut perfectly to accomodate those 4 leds
(Attachment Link)
That's pretty cool, man. Might convince me to buy an artisan cap after all of these years. Honestly, it might be cool just to have an polycarb milled cap that says THINK6.5
That's actually an amazing idea! I would totally pick one up if instead of a big gold badge, we get an artisan esc key that lights up! I find that the badge is obtrusive, but having an artisan esc key that full takes in the 4 LEDs is a more unobtrusive way to display a "tag".
Hey thanks for the feedback! We will now provide the no-badge version.
For artisan - will see if I can find a good artist to work with!
What kind of matching artisan will be ideal?
Yeah probably has to be a Resin or Aluminum cap (with some shine through).
Honestly even without shine-through the 4XRGB effect still looks stunning, I will share some pictures soon. Translucent caps look particularly nice.
Post by: PikaJoyce on Sun, 03 March 2019, 16:08:14
Both ideas sound wonderful. If this ends up happening and it's the right price, I'm definitely in.I know it might be difficult to mill a small PC keycap, but anything that can show off the LEDs as well as have Think 6.5 on it. It's a great alternative to having a giant badge. :)+1!Pcb will have a built-in 4XRGB for your artisan glow dreams. I believe it’s first time a pcb is done with it. I had one custom made with this and it’s great.
Something like this.
(Attachment Link)
And on PCB, there will be 4 rgb LEDs soldered to circle the ESC key. Plate will be cut perfectly to accomodate those 4 leds
(Attachment Link)
That's pretty cool, man. Might convince me to buy an artisan cap after all of these years. Honestly, it might be cool just to have an polycarb milled cap that says THINK6.5
That's actually an amazing idea! I would totally pick one up if instead of a big gold badge, we get an artisan esc key that lights up! I find that the badge is obtrusive, but having an artisan esc key that full takes in the 4 LEDs is a more unobtrusive way to display a "tag".
Hey thanks for the feedback! We will now provide the no-badge version.
For artisan - will see if I can find a good artist to work with!
What kind of matching artisan will be ideal?
Yeah probably has to be a Resin or Aluminum cap (with some shine through).
Honestly even without shine-through the 4XRGB effect still looks stunning, I will share some pictures soon. Translucent caps look particularly nice.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 March 2019, 18:11:54
We are planning for this:
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Let us know!
Post by: otanishock on Sun, 03 March 2019, 18:21:28
-Do I sound like you now? :))
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 March 2019, 20:26:32
All in.
-Do I sound like you now? :))
Thanks bro :) haha love this
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Sun, 03 March 2019, 20:32:08
Post by: Bhk1004 on Sun, 03 March 2019, 20:43:36
Post by: regionfree on Sun, 03 March 2019, 23:10:26
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 March 2019, 23:48:59
for the brass accent on top, can't you make the margin on the left side uniform with the top and bottom? it looks really odd.
Thanks!
The badge is being redesigned, font orientation and finetuning of the alignment. Rendering is taking a while and will be updated very soon
Post by: blizzara01 on Sun, 03 March 2019, 23:56:37
Pcb will have a built-in 4XRGB for your artisan glow dreams. I believe it’s first time a pcb is done with it. I had one custom made with this and it’s great.Wow! That is great. I am dreaming for a breathing mode single color for HKP Specter artisan. It must be super cool.
Something like this.
Not a valid vimeo URL
And on PCB, there will be 4 rgb LEDs soldered to circle the ESC key. Plate will be cut perfectly to accomodate those 4 leds
(Attachment Link)
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 March 2019, 23:58:38
Position 3.
Really like everything else about the board.
Any ideas on estimated price or timeframe ?
Hey both have been updated now:
1. Price under 300 dollars
2. Raffle late March, GB early April
Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 04 March 2019, 00:41:47
My epiphany of 2018 is that: The easiest way to avoid having to deal with ratty long-ass spacebars is simply not having any long-ass spacebar in the first place :)
Something like 2.25u + 1u + 2.75u (to keep it similar to a 6u-spacebar layout) would be more than good enough.
Post by: Keebmeupscotty on Mon, 04 March 2019, 01:24:33
Pcb will have a built-in 4XRGB for your artisan glow dreams. I believe it’s first time a pcb is done with it. I had one custom made with this and it’s great.
Something like this.
Not a valid vimeo URL
And on PCB, there will be 4 rgb LEDs soldered to circle the ESC key. Plate will be cut perfectly to accomodate those 4 leds
(Attachment Link)
tr60w, which was available with the tr60 and Modern Dasher D60 also came with this feature. I think the runner said it was highly suggested from the Chinese group buy, so he added it to all of them. I ended up liking it more than I thought I would for sure. I think yours will be the first 65% offering it, I believe, though. Keep up the good work. Look forward to seeing the evolution of this project.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 March 2019, 09:46:06
Pcb will have a built-in 4XRGB for your artisan glow dreams. I believe it’s first time a pcb is done with it. I had one custom made with this and it’s great.
Something like this.
Not a valid vimeo URL
And on PCB, there will be 4 rgb LEDs soldered to circle the ESC key. Plate will be cut perfectly to accomodate those 4 leds
(Attachment Link)
tr60w, which was available with the tr60 and Modern Dasher D60 also came with this feature. I think the runner said it was highly suggested from the Chinese group buy, so he added it to all of them. I ended up liking it more than I thought I would for sure. I think yours will be the first 65% offering it, I believe, though. Keep up the good work. Look forward to seeing the evolution of this project.
Thanks, that’s great to know!
I wasn’t keeping up with TR60, but yes, ESC 4XRGB is extremely popular in China. It can be achieved with a after market solution or a kit, but definitely easier if we build it into the pcb.
And thanks for the kind words!
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 March 2019, 11:56:03
Oh wow, I almost forgot: What about for split-keyboards?
My epiphany of 2018 is that: The easiest way to avoid having to deal with ratty long-ass spacebars is simply not having any long-ass spacebar in the first place :)
Something like 2.25u + 1u + 2.75u (to keep it similar to a 6u-spacebar layout) would be more than good enough.
Is split spacebar a must-have for you?
Adding 6u split, or even 6.25u split will add more holes and cutouts to the supposedly "perfectly" cut thicc PC plate, I am kind of hesitant to do that. With the other keys as we increase compatibility, we need to cut a bit more as well, but we tried and cutouts were not too much.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 March 2019, 12:07:08
How about I make the badge file opensourced after the GB, so you can customize it, and print out your own badge (for those who love #1 design), brass badge will still be included by default for #1 option.
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 04 March 2019, 12:56:45
+1 for keeping the current layout. Really not like a universal plate with too many cutout holes for different layout.
Adding 6u split, or even 6.25u split will add more holes and cutouts to the supposedly "perfectly" cut thicc PC plate, I am kind of hesitant to do that. With the other keys as we increase compatibility, we need to cut a bit more as well, but we tried and cutouts were not too much.
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Mon, 04 March 2019, 13:09:09
EDIT: Ah, you were talking about the plate. Is a separate "compatibility" plate being offered? Or at least the plate file so we can get our own cut if we want split space etc.?
Post by: noahf on Mon, 04 March 2019, 13:59:35
Post by: jacky on Mon, 04 March 2019, 14:00:04
Definitely interested and glad I discovered this before joining the E6.5, that built in 4.5mm plate is going to be amazing
Yes,good choice .
Post by: V. Vega on Mon, 04 March 2019, 14:05:29
I think you should consider a simple brass slab for the weight. certainly do some engraving if you want, but I think the full thick slab is a crucial part of what makes the Singa and the 910RE sound so good. I'm not sure if a PC case without that would have the same bassy sound to it.
I would also be really keen on seeing some colors if you're able to offer them. I'd love a light blue PC 65% board.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 March 2019, 14:17:20
Definitely interested and glad I discovered this before joining the E6.5, that built in 4.5mm plate is going to be amazing
Thanks for the support!
E6.5 design is pretty good for the aluminum version I think (albeit a bit too expensive IMHO - this comment is not specific to Exclusive but to all the expensive boards with limited quantities).
From the design perspective, I don't really see a significant advantage doing gasket mount for the PC version (gasket-mount was initially in our design choice but we opted for a thick PC plate after some testings of plate materials) as you don't get the metal sound with PC board (as would in a typical top mount alu on alu or brass on alu).
Post by: Water lee on Mon, 04 March 2019, 14:18:43
I haven’t see it on thread ,I love this design but this answe is important to me
Thanks :D
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 March 2019, 14:21:50
I didn't read through all the posts, so if this has been mentioned I apologize for repeating it.
I think you should consider a simple brass slab for the weight. certainly do some engraving if you want, but I think the full thick slab is a crucial part of what makes the Singa and the 910RE sound so good. I'm not sure if a PC case without that would have the same bassy sound to it.
I would also be really keen on seeing some colors if you're able to offer them. I'd love a light blue PC 65% board.
Thanks bro, for the very useful information.
The history was that the original brass weight is actually like a slab with engravings, there were some strong opinions against it (mainly the engravings being too complicated I believe). The current version of the brass weight is liked by many, but is not final. I dont think it looks good enough. We are revising it and renders will come very soon
By the way, the integrated thicc PC plate will sound and feel great!
Potter has agreed to do a live stream for assembling and typing on THINK6.5 with Holy Pandas I sourced for him :)
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 March 2019, 14:22:41
Anyone can tell me is still manufacturing by ALF?
I haven’t see it on thread ,I love this design but this answe is important to me
Thanks :D
Gray Studio and Factories, I have responded to that question in a separate post and in the main post :)
Post by: Water lee on Mon, 04 March 2019, 14:36:29
Thanks SirAnyone can tell me is still manufacturing by ALF?
I haven’t see it on thread ,I love this design but this answe is important to me
Thanks :D
Gray Studio and Factories, I have responded to that question in a separate post and in the main post :)
I am in for one :D
Post by: V. Vega on Mon, 04 March 2019, 14:45:58
Not a bro ;DI didn't read through all the posts, so if this has been mentioned I apologize for repeating it.
I think you should consider a simple brass slab for the weight. certainly do some engraving if you want, but I think the full thick slab is a crucial part of what makes the Singa and the 910RE sound so good. I'm not sure if a PC case without that would have the same bassy sound to it.
I would also be really keen on seeing some colors if you're able to offer them. I'd love a light blue PC 65% board.
Thanks bro, for the very useful information.
The history was that the original brass weight is actually like a slab with engravings, there were some strong opinions against it (mainly the engravings being too complicated I believe). The current version of the brass weight is liked by many, but is not final. I dont think it looks good enough. We are revising it and renders will come very soon
By the way, the integrated thicc PC plate will sound and feel great!
Potter has agreed to do a live stream for assembling and typing on THINK6.5 with Holy Pandas I sourced for him :)
I think the current grill design you have posted looks cheap to be completely honest, and the first one was too intricate with so much going on. I think there's a good middle ground somewhere between the two!
I'm looking forward to seeing a typing test with it because I really do like it!
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 March 2019, 14:55:06
Not a bro ;DI didn't read through all the posts, so if this has been mentioned I apologize for repeating it.
I think you should consider a simple brass slab for the weight. certainly do some engraving if you want, but I think the full thick slab is a crucial part of what makes the Singa and the 910RE sound so good. I'm not sure if a PC case without that would have the same bassy sound to it.
I would also be really keen on seeing some colors if you're able to offer them. I'd love a light blue PC 65% board.
Thanks bro, for the very useful information.
The history was that the original brass weight is actually like a slab with engravings, there were some strong opinions against it (mainly the engravings being too complicated I believe). The current version of the brass weight is liked by many, but is not final. I dont think it looks good enough. We are revising it and renders will come very soon
By the way, the integrated thicc PC plate will sound and feel great!
Potter has agreed to do a live stream for assembling and typing on THINK6.5 with Holy Pandas I sourced for him :)
I think the current grill design you have posted looks cheap to be completely honest, and the first one was too intricate with so much going on. I think there's a good middle ground somewhere between the two!
I'm looking forward to seeing a typing test with it because I really do like it!
:) Thanks
Still working on it, the brass weight design will converge soon, hopefully, something great that most people will call it a true endgame :)
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 04 March 2019, 15:13:55
I didn't read through all the posts, so if this has been mentioned I apologize for repeating it.
I think you should consider a simple brass slab for the weight. certainly do some engraving if you want, but I think the full thick slab is a crucial part of what makes the Singa and the 910RE sound so good.
^Very much this! Originally joined E6.5 for PC but ended up not to due to the lack of a thick brass slab on a PC case. Polycarb without a thick heavy brass slab can't be good imo.
Bummer that you dropped the original weight design. Grills kinda looks like kbd67's weight which I hate. Could definitely reduce the detail to reduce machining cost, but I still ship the original brass slap concept much more.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 March 2019, 15:16:55
I didn't read through all the posts, so if this has been mentioned I apologize for repeating it.
I think you should consider a simple brass slab for the weight. certainly do some engraving if you want, but I think the full thick slab is a crucial part of what makes the Singa and the 910RE sound so good.
^Very much this! Originally joined E6.5 for PC but ended up not to due to the lack of a thick brass slab on a PC case. Polycarb without a thick heavy brass slab can't be good imo.
Bummer that you dropped the original weight design. Grills kinda looks like kbd67's weight which I hate. Could definitely reduce the detail to reduce machining cost, but I still ship the original brass slap concept much more.
Thanks for the feedback. This is very helpful!
The motivation to change to the current version was definitely not due to costs, but feedback on the original patterns. I was actually not aware of KBD67's weight, but looking at it now, it is similar and I am changing it. We have several design ideas for the brass weight and working hard to converge to one.
The weight design is not final, and because I designed it to be my own endgame, the case + weight will be heavy enough to qualify as an endgame :)
I also agree the weight on E6.5 is too small for a PC case, it's going to be too light, albeit I think on aluminum it's fine.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 March 2019, 16:31:58
Thanks SirAnyone can tell me is still manufacturing by ALF?
I haven’t see it on thread ,I love this design but this answe is important to me
Thanks :D
Gray Studio and Factories, I have responded to that question in a separate post and in the main post :)
I am in for one :D
Thanks for the support!
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 04 March 2019, 16:56:45
are there many who would prefer compatible layouts? We are considering a third case option compatible with wkl7u space, split bs, iso support. This will be accompanied by a non-hotswap pcb of course
We are planning for this:
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Let us know!
This would be my ideal version of this board TBH! Hotswap is not really a big draw for me & I've grown super accustom to a split backspace, I use it on almost all of my boards. I think I mentioned earlier in this thread that is almost a make or break feature for me. Also really like the ideal of having the option for WKL with a 7u space bar as I have my RedscarfII+ ver.C set up that way & find it very comfortable so thats a big bonus for me. Honestly even if I had to pay extra for a non hotswap PCB with more compatibility I would find that preferable than being stuck with a fixed layout hotswap PCB.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 March 2019, 17:09:09
are there many who would prefer compatible layouts? We are considering a third case option compatible with wkl7u space, split bs, iso support. This will be accompanied by a non-hotswap pcb of course
We are planning for this:
(Attachment Link)
Let us know!
This would be my ideal version of this board TBH! Hotswap is not really a big draw for me & I've grown super accustom to a split backspace, I use it on almost all of my boards. I think I mentioned earlier in this thread that is almost a make or break feature for me. Also really like the ideal of having the option for WKL with a 7u space bar as I have my RedscarfII+ ver.C set up that way & find it very comfortable so thats a big bonus for me. Honestly even if I had to pay extra for a non hotswap PCB with more compatibility I would find that preferable than being stuck with a fixed layout hotswap PCB.
It will be same price, no worries. I just hope enough people will actually join for the compatible layout non-hotswap version, so I don't need to buy extra PCBs to help meet MOQ (as I already am not planning to take a profit) :) Help me spread words about this option being available will help this project a long way!
Post by: Bhk1004 on Mon, 04 March 2019, 18:23:26
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 March 2019, 20:51:25
what is the moq by pcb?
If I use regular PCB craftsmanship it can be 20 or 25
We are doing something special. This is a better craftsmanship similar to Wilba's PCB. 50 is MOQ for each PCB design.
Post by: mellen on Mon, 04 March 2019, 21:00:52
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Mon, 04 March 2019, 21:11:45
are there many who would prefer compatible layouts? We are considering a third case option compatible with wkl7u space, split bs, iso support. This will be accompanied by a non-hotswap pcb of course
We are planning for this:
(Attachment Link)
Let us know!
This would be my ideal version of this board TBH! Hotswap is not really a big draw for me & I've grown super accustom to a split backspace, I use it on almost all of my boards. I think I mentioned earlier in this thread that is almost a make or break feature for me. Also really like the ideal of having the option for WKL with a 7u space bar as I have my RedscarfII+ ver.C set up that way & find it very comfortable so thats a big bonus for me. Honestly even if I had to pay extra for a non hotswap PCB with more compatibility I would find that preferable than being stuck with a fixed layout hotswap PCB.
It will be same price, no worries. I just hope enough people will actually join for the compatible layout non-hotswap version, so I don't need to buy extra PCBs to help meet MOQ (as I already am not planning to take a profit) :) Help me spread words about this option being available will help this project a long way!
I would also get a non-hotswap board for this! I don't think you'll be left with a bunch of leftover PCBs :)
Also agreed that having a solid weight is preferable, so long as the design is less busy. Look forward to seeing updated images!
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 March 2019, 21:49:08
please get rid of the designed by engraving, nothing against you but i think its a turn off for most ppl, having think 6.5 should be enough
Hey thanks for the feedback.
Sorry due to the non-profit nature of this GB for me personally, and the amount of work I put into the project, we've decided that the designer credit part will stay in a very non-conspicuous way :) Won't make it as intrusive
Post by: flying1911 on Mon, 04 March 2019, 22:06:33
please get rid of the designed by engraving, nothing against you but i think its a turn off for most ppl, having think 6.5 should be enough
Hey thanks for the feedback.
Sorry due to the non-profit nature of this GB for me personally, and the amount of work I put into the project, we've decided that the designer credit part will stay in a very non-conspicuous way :) Won't make it as intrusive
How about a logo? :)) :))
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Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Mon, 04 March 2019, 22:28:12
Post by: sleepy on Mon, 04 March 2019, 23:00:01
Post by: booleanjulien on Mon, 04 March 2019, 23:08:37
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Mon, 04 March 2019, 23:12:19
Something like that could go on the badge as well I think :)
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 05 March 2019, 00:17:15
please get rid of the designed by engraving, nothing against you but i think its a turn off for most ppl, having think 6.5 should be enough
Hey thanks for the feedback.
Sorry due to the non-profit nature of this GB for me personally, and the amount of work I put into the project, we've decided that the designer credit part will stay in a very non-conspicuous way :) Won't make it as intrusive
How about a logo? :)) :))Show Image(https://conservationcubclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Cat-logo-with-glasses.jpg)
This color will be cool for Olivia :)
Awesome idea. I haven’t thought about glasses on a cat. Worth a shot. Will think about it
Currently working on a differnt weight design will share soon
Post by: maximize on Tue, 05 March 2019, 09:46:45
please get rid of the designed by engraving, nothing against you but i think its a turn off for most ppl, having think 6.5 should be enough
Hey thanks for the feedback.
Sorry due to the non-profit nature of this GB for me personally, and the amount of work I put into the project, we've decided that the designer credit part will stay in a very non-conspicuous way :) Won't make it as intrusive
How about a logo? :)) :))Show Image(https://conservationcubclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Cat-logo-with-glasses.jpg)
Awesome idea. I haven’t thought about glasses on a cat. Worth a shot. Will think about it
I believe that flying1911 was joking about the cat logo. At least, I really hope they were. A logo like that would be super tacky. :-[
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 05 March 2019, 10:02:25
Our new plan is to follow the approaches something similar to Singa/Leaf/Others, an internal brass (probably a bit narrower than Singa's) and put the following patter like this with the gears cut out in place of the lion head. Not sure if it should be one piece or two pieces of brass but if there is any feedback let us know!
Any probably need to fix the font to a off-the-shelf one.
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Post by: Sic_Alpha on Tue, 05 March 2019, 10:08:56
Post by: lolafineday on Tue, 05 March 2019, 10:21:15
Hey friends!I like floating brass, I approve!
Our new plan is to follow the approaches something similar to Singa/Leaf/Others, an internal brass (probably a bit narrower than Singa's) and put the following patter like this with the gears cut out in place of the lion head. Not sure if it should be one piece or two pieces of brass but if there is any feedback let us know!
Any probably need to fix the font to a off-the-shelf one.
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Post by: dbrc on Tue, 05 March 2019, 11:52:22
Hey friends!
Our new plan is to follow the approaches something similar to Singa/Leaf/Others, an internal brass (probably a bit narrower than Singa's) and put the following patter like this with the gears cut out in place of the lion head. Not sure if it should be one piece or two pieces of brass but if there is any feedback let us know!
Any probably need to fix the font to a off-the-shelf one.
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I like the look of the redesigned platter compared to the grate version for sure.
I will say after seeing a Singa and TGR 910 get built on TaehaTypes stream I'm pretty excited for this IC to come to fruition and for another Polycarb keyboard offering that will have all the features I'm looking for and would fit my current budget.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 05 March 2019, 12:06:23
Attention to detail! Notice that the little rounded edges on each switch slot will cost quite a lot more money to machine, but we do it to make the plate perfect for MX style swithces (optimizing fitness tolerance and force required to push in the switch).
"You will no longer need to go to the gym and exercise your fingers to be able to push a holy panda to the plate!"
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Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 05 March 2019, 12:31:58
Hey friends!Personally I’d prefer for the H to be more “I-I” shaped and less “I·I”, but it’s not a big deal.
Our new plan is to follow the approaches something similar to Singa/Leaf/Others, an internal brass (probably a bit narrower than Singa's) and put the following patter like this with the gears cut out in place of the lion head. Not sure if it should be one piece or two pieces of brass but if there is any feedback let us know!
Any probably need to fix the font to a off-the-shelf one.
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This IC is shaping up nicely. Between this and my HHKB and the upcoming Plaid ortho, it sure looks like I’m ditching all metal plates now.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 05 March 2019, 12:35:49
Hey friends!Personally I’d prefer for the H to be more “I-I” shaped and less “I·I”, but it’s not a big deal.
Our new plan is to follow the approaches something similar to Singa/Leaf/Others, an internal brass (probably a bit narrower than Singa's) and put the following patter like this with the gears cut out in place of the lion head. Not sure if it should be one piece or two pieces of brass but if there is any feedback let us know!
Any probably need to fix the font to a off-the-shelf one.
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This IC is shaping up nicely. Between this and my HHKB and the upcoming Plaid ortho, it sure looks like I’m ditching all metal plates now.
Thanks for the kind words and nice suggestion.
Yes, the plan is to use some more conventional but cool fonts. I designed this font yesterday, but I have the same feeling as you, it is probably not as good as some off-the-shelf font solutions.
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Tue, 05 March 2019, 12:46:23
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 05 March 2019, 12:48:20
Other than no split-space love... looking good on the plate!
The default 2 options (Option 1 and Option 2) will be minimal cuts with just ANSI + stepped caps support, but compatibility is sacrificed, it's a tradeoff after all :) I think we designed it in a way that split backspace part's cut does not look too bad :)
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Tue, 05 March 2019, 12:52:48
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 05 March 2019, 12:55:03
Agreed! And I'm now one of those who see split backspace as a must-have after having it. Can't stand ANSI placement of it after switching. Split-space is a luxury, not yet a must-have ;-)
I feel you, man. I have a whitefox in truefox layout a while ago and if only I can get used to it after many years of 6-8-hour typing sessions every day. Truefox split backspace layout looks amazing, and it should work amazingly too, but I could not switch after trying a month.
Hope you are happy with the current plate design for #3 option!
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Tue, 05 March 2019, 12:57:20
Hope you are happy with the current plate design for #3 option!
I'm happy with #3 :thumb:
Post by: Cods on Tue, 05 March 2019, 15:54:13
All the best, your hard work looks like a winner!
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 05 March 2019, 16:03:11
Looks really great - I would totally be in, however for me, my next keyboard needs to do Bluetooth.
All the best, your hard work looks like a winner!
A compatible Bluetooth PCB is coming later :)
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 05 March 2019, 16:04:32
What do you guys think? Let me know which one you like and how it can be improved.
The upper 3 circles are for the 3 LEDs.
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Post by: lolafineday on Tue, 05 March 2019, 16:05:10
Hey old cat I’m wondering how pc case is different from alu ive neve had a polycarb case. ThanksLooks really great - I would totally be in, however for me, my next keyboard needs to do Bluetooth.
All the best, your hard work looks like a winner!
A compatible Bluetooth PCB is coming later :)
Post by: lolafineday on Tue, 05 March 2019, 16:06:29
Was working on some sketches for the brass badge (2U blocker for #1 Option) in between working meetings, and trying to get some feedback before finalizing it tonight.The bigger one imo it looks better and simpler
What do you guys think? Let me know which one you like and how it can be improved.
The upper 3 circles are for the 3 LEDs.
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Post by: oldcat on Tue, 05 March 2019, 17:11:12
Hey old cat I’m wondering how pc case is different from alu ive neve had a polycarb case. ThanksLooks really great - I would totally be in, however for me, my next keyboard needs to do Bluetooth.
All the best, your hard work looks like a winner!
A compatible Bluetooth PCB is coming later :)
For me, this design is optimized for typing sound as I choose to make a thicc PC integrated board (kind of doesn't make sense to use a aluminum bottom with PC top). Generally, PC boards are rarer (more coming out recently) and a bit more expensive to make due to the higher failure rate in production. In the past (even now) they are sold in pretty high prices, especially if you add a large brass weight to increase the weight of the case. But the high PC prices will hopefully end here :)
I think many people like how it looks and how it feels. Also, if you like visuals, it's pretty awesome. We have built in a few visual components (underglow, 4XRGB on ESC and 3 LEDs above the badge position).
Post by: linyaofred on Tue, 05 March 2019, 20:43:39
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Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Tue, 05 March 2019, 21:16:15
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 05 March 2019, 21:55:55
Any chance for a blank brass blocker badge?
Will open source the badge file later, so you can print out a blank one :)
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 05 March 2019, 23:18:44
Making some final changes to the lightbulb
Think will be engraved, and there is a chamfered slope, and 6 5 and light bulb will be carved (floating)
Edges on the think side chamfered
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Post by: omjak on Wed, 06 March 2019, 00:01:41
For me, this design is optimized for typing sound as I choose to make a thicc PC integrated board (kind of doesn't make sense to use a aluminum bottom with PC top).
is the typing sound optimization (ie. thick plate) specific to a particular type of switch? (clicky/tactile/linear)
I understand the opinion is subjective, but from your personal point of view, which specific switches have you tested that you liked the typing sound the most?
Post by: Furikurichemy on Wed, 06 March 2019, 00:39:47
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 06 March 2019, 01:03:15
Regarding lighting for this board:
8 SMD LEDs underglow, 1 4XRGB LEDs on ESC, 3 LEDs under the upper line above the badge
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Post by: sarsaparillagorilla on Wed, 06 March 2019, 03:05:47
Post by: Bhk1004 on Wed, 06 March 2019, 06:21:03
Post by: finalarcadia on Wed, 06 March 2019, 07:23:24
Also I don't like the weight at all, shame too because I was excited about this one. I'd suggest a single or couple gears, freestanding like the singa lion. And of course the slab on inner side.
Something like the attached.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190306/97b6ce9bd0694266f24f93697d4692fb.jpg)
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Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 06 March 2019, 08:40:49
Badge reads like "605". I'd remove the lightbulb altogether, and move 6.5 to bottom side and "think" to upper. Simplicity is key IMO.But that’s just... boring.
Also I don't like the weight at all, shame too because I was excited about this one. I'd suggest a single or couple gears, freestanding like the singa lion. And of course the slab on inner side.
Something like the attached.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190306/97b6ce9bd0694266f24f93697d4692fb.jpg)
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I think recent iterations have shown lots of potentials and improvements.
We now have lots of options for custom keyboard kits. About time we let more personalities shine through and more diverse tastes than just minimalism.
Post by: Bhk1004 on Wed, 06 March 2019, 08:54:23
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 06 March 2019, 10:55:30
We left the space for an additional brass bar behind the weight. Will test if we need that additional weight
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Post by: ninjacore on Wed, 06 March 2019, 11:10:06
Post by: Bhk1004 on Wed, 06 March 2019, 11:11:22
Post by: pcire on Wed, 06 March 2019, 11:34:37
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Wed, 06 March 2019, 11:38:30
New renders looking very nice!
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 06 March 2019, 13:32:01
Is it too late to suggest split backspace for layout #2 to have the hot-swap? it's possible, the Scarlet Bandana's PCB allows for both ANSI and split backspace on the same PCB with hot-swap. I'd go for layout #2 so I can also have hot-swap if you offered that.
New renders looking very nice!
Thanks for the feedback! It is possible, but I think the switches won't fit as tight as just ANSI, because the stab slot is slightly larger than the switch slot. With hotswap I think you really want a good fit. Therefore, option #3 is fine because soldering will make it very stable.
If there is a good solution without compromising too much the "perfect fit" principle for #1 and #2, we can certainly consider.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 06 March 2019, 18:57:35
The weight looks sick! Especially on the PC case! Good job man!
Thank bro, for the strong support!
Post by: PikaJoyce on Wed, 06 March 2019, 19:06:12
How's the artisan esc idea coming along? ;D
Post by: Chimera on Wed, 06 March 2019, 19:20:32
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Post by: oldcat on Wed, 06 March 2019, 20:34:55
I'm really hoping to get more traction on this so you and Potter can get some cut of profit :(! Lets spread the word!
How's the artisan esc idea coming along? ;D
Thank you so much for the strong support! As I mentioned in my post, my motivation has nothing to do with monetary incentives, so I will do this GB pro bono for sure. Designing this board for myself and for those who also love 65% and want to try PC. Yes, I certainly agree that it will be better if Potter can earn some money, because it is his day job and income source. The more people join, the manufacturing cost is lower, the higher chance he will make a reasonable profit for his time and efforts. So please kindly help spread some good words :)
For the matching artisan, haven't had a good idea yet. Good ones usually around 60-100 dollars and it's quite expensive compared to the board. haha. That said, any translucent or even regular caps will look great with the 4XRGB. Here are some pictures with a 4XRGB kit you need to solder, for this board we will pre-solder it in factory (on PCB): https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97005
This 4XRGB mod is a must-have in the Chinese enthusiast community, now we make it built-in :)
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Post by: mgsickler on Wed, 06 March 2019, 22:03:27
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 06 March 2019, 22:14:57
Let’s get this GB going! I’m excited for this one. Great job!
Hey Mike!! Thanks for stopping by the post. Excited to have your support!
(Just ordered 10 sets of 65% screw-in stabilizers from your Novelkeys store. Haha.)
Post by: keysRus on Wed, 06 March 2019, 22:36:24
2. Amazingly impressed with the way you implemented feedback from the community.
3. If I get the compatible layout case, will i be able to buy an extra hotswap pcb and use that with it? Will snugness be an issue if so?
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 06 March 2019, 22:40:05
1. So excited for this gb. Was planning on getting an m60 from this latest round but decided this is my preferred "end game" board for now and will be passing that up for this beaut.
2. Amazingly impressed with the way you implemented feedback from the community.
3. If I get the compatible layout case, will i be able to buy an extra hotswap pcb and use that with it? Will snugness be an issue if so?
Thank you for the kind words! Glad you love this design, and the design definitely have benefited from the wisdom of the community.
Edit: will test if hotswap will fit compatible layout, if you use PCB-mount switches it should probably be ok but hotswap will only support ANSI with stepped caps compatibility :)
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Thu, 07 March 2019, 01:08:51
I love the new weight design. How is it screwed on though ?
This will be my first PC case. Is there anything I need to know about the material ?
Post by: lolafineday on Thu, 07 March 2019, 01:10:13
This has just become the must buy for me. I am broke. I know this. My wife does not. I hope she does not find out.It’s gonna be lighter than aluminum, but generally the sound is better since it vibrates less.
I love the new weight design. How is it screwed on though ?
This will be my first PC case. Is there anything I need to know about the material ?
Post by: vegs on Thu, 07 March 2019, 01:10:16
This has just become the must buy for me. I am broke. I know this. My wife does not. I hope she does not find out.:))
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 07 March 2019, 01:49:48
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 07 March 2019, 02:40:29
Is there an option for no badge? I don't like the look of the badge but I love the idea of a sub 300 PC case.
Yes option #2 and #3 do not have a brass badge
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Post by: BobCarltheThird on Thu, 07 March 2019, 02:46:45
Post by: igke on Thu, 07 March 2019, 05:50:39
Must say it looks like i'm in for my first PC case.
Not a big fan of the branding text on the back. I really like the weight design and integrated plate.
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 07 March 2019, 05:58:06
Post by: keysRus on Thu, 07 March 2019, 06:03:47
I know the hotswap only allows for ansi, I was gonna run hotswap as normal when I first got it, and once i decided on my dream switches, solder them onto the compatible pcb and run a more hhkb style of layout. Lemme know what ya find about running that hotswap pcb in the compatible case.1. So excited for this gb. Was planning on getting an m60 from this latest round but decided this is my preferred "end game" board for now and will be passing that up for this beaut.
2. Amazingly impressed with the way you implemented feedback from the community.
3. If I get the compatible layout case, will i be able to buy an extra hotswap pcb and use that with it? Will snugness be an issue if so?
Thank you for the kind words! Glad you love this design, and the design definitely have benefited from the wisdom of the community.
Edit: will test if hotswap will fit compatible layout, if you use PCB-mount switches it should probably be ok but hotswap will only support ANSI with stepped caps compatibility :)
Post by: empa on Thu, 07 March 2019, 06:27:24
Post by: finalarcadia on Thu, 07 March 2019, 07:18:24
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Post by: oldcat on Thu, 07 March 2019, 10:04:01
Any chance for a 2nd bottom piece option available with no weight? Could be a nice alternative for those of us who night not like the weight design or just want a light board to carry around.
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Thank you for the feedback!
We will provide the weight information for the built kit very soon. We can omit the brass bar behind the weight (see that horizontal rectangle), or use some other cool material there.
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Thu, 07 March 2019, 13:35:36
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 07 March 2019, 14:05:16
Is brass badge going to be PVD or Sandblasted?
Brass badge will be fine polished and then PVD treatment
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 07 March 2019, 15:47:49
You can plug in and play (just don’t mess with positive-negative slots, long leg positive (square), short leg negative(circle)).
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Post by: Sic_Alpha on Thu, 07 March 2019, 16:00:55
Also, concerning my earlier post, I've got nothing for ideas for how to make hot-swap split backspace a guarantee for snug fit. It was just me spewing out ideas :)) I'm still down for layout 3. I'm liking the indicator lights with the badge though, I may have to convince my better half that I need more than one of them. Haha fat chance of that :p
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Post by: Audiobs on Thu, 07 March 2019, 18:21:02
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Hi Oldcat, just saw this IC and I have to say you are a godsend for making this available! So no flexible spiit backspace for layout No. 1 for certain?
Post by: mellen on Thu, 07 March 2019, 21:17:53
Post by: Bhk1004 on Thu, 07 March 2019, 21:51:44
Post by: keysRus on Thu, 07 March 2019, 22:13:35
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 07 March 2019, 23:24:50
It's been an interesting thread so far.
Must say it looks like i'm in for my first PC case.
Not a big fan of the branding text on the back. I really like the weight design and integrated plate.
thanks for the feedback, we are making the text smaller
Post by: swangful on Thu, 07 March 2019, 23:32:34
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 07 March 2019, 23:35:01
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Hi Oldcat, just saw this IC and I have to say you are a godsend for making this available! So no flexible spiit backspace for layout No. 1 for certain?
Hey man, thanks for the kind words!
A challenge with compatible regular bs and split bs is the inability to provide tight fitness to the two switches due to the stab cutouts. We will test to see if there is a way. Worst case we have #3 :)
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 08 March 2019, 00:28:13
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Hi Oldcat, just saw this IC and I have to say you are a godsend for making this available! So no flexible spiit backspace for layout No. 1 for certain?
Hey man, thanks for the kind words!
A challenge with compatible regular bs and split bs is the inability to provide tight fitness to the two switches due to the stab cutouts. We will test to see if there is a way. Worst case we have #3 :)
Glad to hear you are gonna test this out! As a case with a badge using the solder on PCB so I could do a split backspace layout would definitely be what I would choose if it's offered in the GB. I honestly don't think the switches sitting a little loose because of the stabilizer cut outs is a huge deal. In fact it wouldn't be a problem at all if you use PCB mount switches & you would just have to be extra careful to make sure plate mount switches are not crooked before soldering.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 08 March 2019, 01:52:57
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Hi Oldcat, just saw this IC and I have to say you are a godsend for making this available! So no flexible spiit backspace for layout No. 1 for certain?
Hey man, thanks for the kind words!
A challenge with compatible regular bs and split bs is the inability to provide tight fitness to the two switches due to the stab cutouts. We will test to see if there is a way. Worst case we have #3 :)
Glad to hear you are gonna test this out! As a case with a badge using the solder on PCB so I could do a split backspace layout would definitely be what I would choose if it's offered in the GB. I honestly don't think the switches sitting a little loose because of the stabilizer cut outs is a huge deal. In fact it wouldn't be a problem at all if you use PCB mount switches & you would just have to be extra careful to make sure plate mount switches are not crooked before soldering.
That makes very good sense, but #1 layout won’t be my perfect board anymore, being a little loose. That said, I will test all three cases and keep you updated.
Post by: Cyrus on Fri, 08 March 2019, 02:36:33
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 08 March 2019, 02:50:32
I'm concerned about the weight with integrated PC plate, brass weight but no brass badge. Is there a weight estimate? I would like a little heft although with it being mostly PC that might be hard?
Don’t worry, weight estimate is coming soon.
If it is lower than 1kg we will add a brass or Alu bar behind the current weight (see the slot)
Post by: Pennywise359 on Fri, 08 March 2019, 05:05:25
Post by: ninjacore on Fri, 08 March 2019, 08:11:41
So no split backspace for version with badge/spacer?
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Hi Oldcat, just saw this IC and I have to say you are a godsend for making this available! So no flexible spiit backspace for layout No. 1 for certain?
Hey man, thanks for the kind words!
A challenge with compatible regular bs and split bs is the inability to provide tight fitness to the two switches due to the stab cutouts. We will test to see if there is a way. Worst case we have #3 :)
@Pennywise359, I'm interpreting @oldcat's comment to mean that there _will_ be split backspace support, but it might not be on the hotswap PCB option. So, there will be a hotswap PCB option without split bs support and solderable PCB option with it.
Post by: maximize on Fri, 08 March 2019, 09:14:38
Post by: otanishock on Fri, 08 March 2019, 09:36:23
@Pennywise359, I'm interpreting @oldcat's comment to mean that there _will_ be split backspace support, but it might not be on the hotswap PCB option. So, there will be a hotswap PCB option without split bs support and solderable PCB option with it.The solderable PCB that supports split backspace does not have a cut out blocker for the badge, which I think Pennywise was referring to.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 08 March 2019, 09:50:42
"Design finalized" means it's too late to remove the text on the back, doesn't it? :(
Hey thanks for the feedback!
since this is a pro bono project from my perspective, i think it’s unfair to request that I remove the text entirely. That said, I will make the text smaller in the final version so it does not look as intrusive. Will also drop the “by” in there.
Post by: igke on Fri, 08 March 2019, 10:27:09
thanks for the feedback, we are making the text smaller
You are being very flexible. That is very much appreciated. Excited for the final product!
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 08 March 2019, 12:38:43
thanks for the feedback, we are making the text smaller
You are being very flexible. That is very much appreciated. Excited for the final product!
Thanks, bro, for the kind words.
Always listening and happy to fine-tune the details based on constructive feedback.
Post by: HAYAN on Fri, 08 March 2019, 13:23:02
I'm so excited that I can't wait until the GB start
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Fri, 08 March 2019, 13:56:48
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 08 March 2019, 18:37:36
Something I just thought about for the compatible layout. Assuming that it won't have the indicator lights, will the Caps Lock backlight have the ability to show state instead of just being a backlight?
Hey if I understand correctly, you are asking, for the non-hotswap pcb, if we will have a capslock led slot that when pressed, will light up?
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Fri, 08 March 2019, 19:05:25
Hey if I understand correctly, you are asking, for the non-hotswap pcb, if we will have a capslock led slot that when pressed, will light up?
More of the backlight LED underneath the Caps Lock keycap. The DZ60 that I have uses the backlight underneath the Caps Lock keycap to identify state of the Caps Lock. If the caps lock is on, it will reverse the state of its backlight respective to the remainder of the board's backlighting. I.E.
If the board backlighting is off, Caps Lock is on > Caps Lock backlight will be on
If the board backlighting is on, Caps Lock is on > Caps Lock backlight will be off
etc.
A separate state LED would be cool too though.
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 08 March 2019, 19:07:42
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Hi Oldcat, just saw this IC and I have to say you are a godsend for making this available! So no flexible spiit backspace for layout No. 1 for certain?
Hey man, thanks for the kind words!
A challenge with compatible regular bs and split bs is the inability to provide tight fitness to the two switches due to the stab cutouts. We will test to see if there is a way. Worst case we have #3 :)
Glad to hear you are gonna test this out! As a case with a badge using the solder on PCB so I could do a split backspace layout would definitely be what I would choose if it's offered in the GB. I honestly don't think the switches sitting a little loose because of the stabilizer cut outs is a huge deal. In fact it wouldn't be a problem at all if you use PCB mount switches & you would just have to be extra careful to make sure plate mount switches are not crooked before soldering.
That makes very good sense, but #1 layout won’t be my perfect board anymore, being a little loose. That said, I will test all three cases and keep you updated.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 08 March 2019, 21:18:07
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Post by: MTXjunkie on Fri, 08 March 2019, 21:20:25
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Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 08 March 2019, 22:28:14
Also, is that a zeal stabilizer? Just checking to make sure they fit.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 08 March 2019, 22:56:21
I would totally buy a printed case too :)
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 08 March 2019, 23:04:11
P.S.
I would totally buy a printed case too :)
CNC-machined one will be sooooo much better! :)
Post by: Bhk1004 on Fri, 08 March 2019, 23:06:57
P.S.
I would totally buy a printed case too :)
CNC-machined one will be sooooo much better! :)
Send me both. I'll let you know if I agree.
Post by: ttot on Fri, 08 March 2019, 23:19:25
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Fri, 08 March 2019, 23:21:46
I have only one question, pcb will be transparent?
I very much doubt it but that'd be awesome.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 08 March 2019, 23:41:24
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Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 09 March 2019, 00:57:56
Post by: PikaJoyce on Sat, 09 March 2019, 01:27:26
Have you guys seen this "glass coating" stuff you can put on polycarb to keep it from scratching? (10H Permanent Ceramic Coating) Not sure i've ever seen it, but looks promising. I'm hooked on this guy's videos
This is also a really good idea. I think the biggest problem with PC is the scratching. So having some way to prevent such a fragile material from getting hurt would be to coat it.
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 09 March 2019, 01:42:03
Have you guys seen this "glass coating" stuff you can put on polycarb to keep it from scratching? (10H Permanent Ceramic Coating) Not sure i've ever seen it, but looks promising. I'm hooked on this guy's videos
Looks very interesting coating!
Thanks for sharing
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 09 March 2019, 09:58:30
I have only one question, pcb will be transparent?
I have done some tests for the transparent pcb project. It can only be made at limited quantities at a very high price as of now. Still working on that to see if we can scale it and bring the cost down. Probably won't be any time soon though, transparent pcb project is just a work in progress.
Post by: Tree_ on Sat, 09 March 2019, 16:30:05
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Probably should know the answer to this is no without even asking, but: Any chance of the 660 layout without the badge?
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 09 March 2019, 17:05:48
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Probably should know the answer to this is no without even asking, but: Any chance of the 660 layout without the badge?
Hey we will make the badge file open sourced, you can probably 3D print or CNC your own badge :)
Post by: Visionaire on Sat, 09 March 2019, 17:06:00
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 09 March 2019, 17:09:49
1. Tiffany Blue Accents
2. Olivia
3. Bento
4. Skeletor
5. Mizu
6. Serika
7. Lime
8. Oblivion
(https://i.imgur.com/71kDz2Y.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zAPj6MU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5pzCpuj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4mZuJJx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TCixA0R.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EUyHDkP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5kZc3DC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HPQvk4o.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZJU9GJ5.jpg)
Post by: PikaJoyce on Sat, 09 March 2019, 17:10:23
More renders based on:Will there be rose gold weights? :O!!!!
1. Tiffany Blue Accents
2. OliviaShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/71kDz2Y.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zAPj6MU.jpg)
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 09 March 2019, 18:50:32
More renders based on:Will there be rose gold weights? :O!!!!
1. Tiffany Blue Accents
2. OliviaShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/71kDz2Y.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zAPj6MU.jpg)
Only if enough people request :) Adding a new color means $$$ :))
Post by: TheMnBN on Sat, 09 March 2019, 18:52:50
More renders based on:
1. Tiffany Blue Accents
2. Olivia
3. BentoShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/71kDz2Y.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zAPj6MU.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5pzCpuj.jpg)
Bento render with matching color badge looks fantastic. Not gonna lie, this is a must-buy for me at this point. That said, after that crazy flash sale of the Volcano, I'm worried :rolleyes:
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 09 March 2019, 19:00:15
More renders based on:
1. Tiffany Blue Accents
2. Olivia
3. BentoShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/71kDz2Y.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zAPj6MU.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5pzCpuj.jpg)
Bento render with matching color badge looks fantastic. Not gonna lie, this is a must-buy for me at this point. That said, after that crazy flash sale of the Volcano, I'm worried :rolleyes:
Will probably leave the form open for a couple of days since I plan to only run this just once! The more people join, the happier I am. It is really something I am proud of. That said, it's been a lot of work involved and my research productivity dropped :(
And to increase the value even more for the supporters, the estimated price will not change and I plan to do more cool raffles with this GB to make it a fun process for my fellow 65% lovers. Follow my Instagram if you fear missing out on this one :))
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Sat, 09 March 2019, 19:45:16
Will probably leave the form open for a couple of days since I plan to only run this just once!
Did I miss something? GB form already up?
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 09 March 2019, 20:07:55
Will probably leave the form open for a couple of days since I plan to only run this just once!
Did I miss something? GB form already up?
I think the way I constructed the sentence confused you. I mean I will be doing that :)
Post by: infinitestratas on Sat, 09 March 2019, 20:38:04
Post by: PikaJoyce on Sat, 09 March 2019, 20:41:18
Have you already decided on a set price? I know it's not going to be over $300 as you are promising, but has the actual amount been estimated yet? :0More renders based on:
1. Tiffany Blue Accents
2. Olivia
3. BentoShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/71kDz2Y.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zAPj6MU.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5pzCpuj.jpg)
Bento render with matching color badge looks fantastic. Not gonna lie, this is a must-buy for me at this point. That said, after that crazy flash sale of the Volcano, I'm worried :rolleyes:
Will probably leave the form open for a couple of days since I plan to only run this just once! The more people join, the happier I am. It is really something I am proud of. That said, it's been a lot of work involved and my research productivity dropped :(
And to increase the value even more for the supporters, the estimated price will not change and I plan to do more cool raffles with this GB to make it a fun process for my fellow 65% lovers. Follow my Instagram if you fear missing out on this one :))
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Sat, 09 March 2019, 20:45:03
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Probably should know the answer to this is no without even asking, but: Any chance of the 660 layout without the badge?
Hey we will make the badge file open sourced, you can probably 3D print or CNC your own badge :)
Would getting the same piece of brass, just not engraved be an option?
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Sat, 09 March 2019, 20:48:44
More renders based on:Will there be rose gold weights? :O!!!!
1. Tiffany Blue Accents
2. OliviaShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/71kDz2Y.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zAPj6MU.jpg)
Only if enough people request :) Adding a new color means $$$ :))
Wait, what are the color options now? If there are extra colors it would be awesome to allow you to buy extra (or the set, like in Space65). Rose Gold PVD, Champagne PBD, Brass PVD, Silver PVD, Black Nickel coated, etc. I know you likely won't have that many, but a few to pick from would be really cool!
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Sat, 09 March 2019, 20:57:59
Will probably leave the form open for a couple of days since I plan to only run this just once! The more people join, the happier I am. It is really something I am proud of. That said, it's been a lot of work involved and my research productivity dropped :(
And to increase the value even more for the supporters, the estimated price will not change and I plan to do more cool raffles with this GB to make it a fun process for my fellow 65% lovers. Follow my Instagram if you fear missing out on this one :))
I love your approach to this GB, and I think the response from the community shows that we all appreciate your engagement and feel your enthusiasm coming through in these updates! I'm definitely in for one when the GB happens!
(On a side note, I'd love to design my dream board and do a GB someday, but I'm already having trouble balancing my academic research with building boards and staying up to date with news in the community, so much respect to you for finding the time for this project!)
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 09 March 2019, 21:11:13
More renders based on:Will there be rose gold weights? :O!!!!
1. Tiffany Blue Accents
2. OliviaShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/71kDz2Y.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zAPj6MU.jpg)
Only if enough people request :) Adding a new color means $$$ :))
Wait, what are the color options now? If there are extra colors it would be awesome to allow you to buy extra (or the set, like in Space65). Rose Gold PVD, Champagne PBD, Brass PVD, Silver PVD, Black Nickel coated, etc. I know you likely won't have that many, but a few to pick from would be really cool!
Haha!
My plan was to give away those as raffle items, but we will see how this goes!
It's easier to do aluminum anodization for different colors than PVD colors I think.
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 09 March 2019, 21:14:04
Will probably leave the form open for a couple of days since I plan to only run this just once! The more people join, the happier I am. It is really something I am proud of. That said, it's been a lot of work involved and my research productivity dropped :(
And to increase the value even more for the supporters, the estimated price will not change and I plan to do more cool raffles with this GB to make it a fun process for my fellow 65% lovers. Follow my Instagram if you fear missing out on this one :))
I love your approach to this GB, and I think the response from the community shows that we all appreciate your engagement and feel your enthusiasm coming through in these updates! I'm definitely in for one when the GB happens!
(On a side note, I'd love to design my dream board and do a GB someday, but I'm already having trouble balancing my academic research with building boards and staying up to date with news in the community, so much respect to you for finding the time for this project!)
Thanks! I feel you my friend.
I have been in this mechanical keyboard hobby since 2011, thought about designing my own keyboard for a long time, but was only able to start this after passing an important milestone of obtaining tenure last year :)
I would say overall mechanical keyboard definitely increased my research productivity as I love typing all day every day :)
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sun, 10 March 2019, 00:04:36
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Sun, 10 March 2019, 00:14:46
毒德味
Toxic Taste? Is this the equivalent to "Sick!"
Post by: Ruler on Sun, 10 March 2019, 01:44:04
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 10 March 2019, 08:30:19
毒德味
Thanks bro!
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 10 March 2019, 08:31:22
毒德味
Toxic Taste? Is this the equivalent to "Sick!"
Yes it means “dope; it has a German vintage feel”
Post by: Bhk1004 on Sun, 10 March 2019, 09:50:21
And I feel like initial IC started last week and we already have prototypes popping out!
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 10 March 2019, 10:33:19
Personally think it's just ridiculous.
And I feel like initial IC started last week and we already have prototypes popping out!
I waited till a version I think it’s ready for prototyping to post the IC :)
But the you folks really shaped this project! I love it better than the original version.
Post by: vicissitude on Sun, 10 March 2019, 10:45:59
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 10 March 2019, 13:39:05
Love the rose gold color for olivia.
Yes, didn't realize it looks so good until I see the actual render. I will check with factory if they have rose gold options.
Post by: urbantheii on Sun, 10 March 2019, 16:06:47
Post by: Bhk1004 on Sun, 10 March 2019, 16:07:49
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 10 March 2019, 16:08:56
Skeleton render = take my money
Skeletor is one of my two favorite keysets (along with red samurai). Too bad there is no followup to the Skeletor project.
Actually, I have a plan to create a keycap set with Skeletor kind of colorway with novelties later this year:)
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 10 March 2019, 16:09:33
Question is who will sell skeletor to me....
See the reply I just sent in literally 5 seconds ago :))
Post by: Bhk1004 on Sun, 10 March 2019, 17:17:49
Question is who will sell skeletor to me....
See the reply I just sent in literally 5 seconds ago :))
But I want it now...
Post by: jaredddm on Sun, 10 March 2019, 20:57:16
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 10 March 2019, 21:02:48
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Post by: Sic_Alpha on Sun, 10 March 2019, 21:17:28
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 10 March 2019, 22:18:59
Hello all:Oh, with the PC case and plate, I think a white PCB is a must.
Please fill out the updated form below, in which you will see a few polls regarding layout, PCB color combo, and pricing, for those who already submitted a form, please kindly edit to update and fill out the PCB color combo poll:
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So, white + yellow for me.
Is it gonna be something like this?
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(https://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1163851005/White-Solder-Mask-Immersion-Gold-PCB.jpg)
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 10 March 2019, 22:24:04
Hello all:Oh, with the PC case and plate, I think a white PCB is a must.
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So, white + yellow for me.
Is it gonna be something like this?
↓Show Image(https://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1163851005/White-Solder-Mask-Immersion-Gold-PCB.jpg)
I think it will be close, the traces here do not have additional color coating I believe.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 10 March 2019, 22:24:50
Hmm... having difficulty deciding on PCB colors without seeing example of what it'd look like in PC.
I think lighter color may look better. But indeed we don't know until they are actually in there. Let me see if I can render the PCB in there.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 10 March 2019, 23:14:24
Note that this is the prototype using the factory default colorway, we have a PCB colorway poll running now, please kindly fill it out.
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Post by: Bhk1004 on Sun, 10 March 2019, 23:15:32
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Post by: oldcat on Mon, 11 March 2019, 00:33:20
In case you are curious about how it is fixated here are some pictures:
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Post by: PotatoTM on Mon, 11 March 2019, 02:12:13
Post by: ninjacore on Mon, 11 March 2019, 03:22:46
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Mon, 11 March 2019, 03:24:53
I voted for white + yellow but :
White + shiny COPPER would be great. Should that be white + clear ?
Black + clear/shiny copper would be good too.
White + Red might be good, I did not see this combination there .
Post by: igke on Mon, 11 March 2019, 03:45:50
PCB looks very nice. Love the reversed hotswap socket for the stepslock. :thumb:
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 11 March 2019, 10:24:47
What’s the wire trace color ? Is it the color for the printed circuits ? The copper parts of the PCB ?
I voted for white + yellow but :
White + shiny COPPER would be great. Should that be white + clear ?
Black + clear/shiny copper would be good too.
White + Red might be good, I did not see this combination there .
Hey, yes it will be an additional color layer on the copper trace, and the printed letters, etc.
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Mon, 11 March 2019, 13:56:33
White + shiny COPPER would be great. Should that be white + clear ?
Black + clear/shiny copper would be good too.
Oh yeah that sounds really nice. My initial vote was for black + white, but either of those two would be the best!
Post by: ninjacore on Mon, 11 March 2019, 14:19:05
Still no option for a pcb with split backspace AND badge? :-(
@oldcat Any comment on this?
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 11 March 2019, 16:21:07
Still no option for a pcb with split backspace AND badge? :-(
@oldcat Any comment on this?
If you look at the poll (view previous results), the percentage requesting compatibility layout is quite small, splitting that into two groups will increase the cost and honestly I don't know how many people will be interested... if enough people are interested we can consider adding the badge to the compatible layout design.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1KRWAYYYrB1h_g5ScqGBNsXAQZ2xYPu9bjIPLAIRx--4/viewanalytics
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Mon, 11 March 2019, 17:04:44
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 11 March 2019, 19:11:22
Post by: Bhk1004 on Mon, 11 March 2019, 19:27:06
Post by: Starius on Mon, 11 March 2019, 19:32:39
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/namsqa9.jpg)
THINK frame in my study room
(https://i.postimg.cc/yDZfJLR7/4596.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yDZfJLR7)
I thought this board might have been inspired by one of my favorite movies, for a moment. ;)
In all seriousness, this is why I try not to browse the IC threads too much... because then I stumble across projects like this and I get the urges. You know the kind that I mean.... the kind that makes me spend the monies for the keyboards...
Great looking board though. So much good 65% stuff lately.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 11 March 2019, 22:44:37
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/namsqa9.jpg)
THINK frame in my study room
(https://i.postimg.cc/yDZfJLR7/4596.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yDZfJLR7)
I thought this board might have been inspired by one of my favorite movies, for a moment. ;)
In all seriousness, this is why I try not to browse the IC threads too much... because then I stumble across projects like this and I get the urges. You know the kind that I mean.... the kind that makes me spend the monies for the keyboards...
Great looking board though. So much good 65% stuff lately.
Wow, nice! Thank you so much, bro.
Contain the urges :)
Post by: TheMnBN on Tue, 12 March 2019, 00:35:03
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/namsqa9.jpg)
THINK frame in my study room
(https://i.postimg.cc/yDZfJLR7/4596.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yDZfJLR7)
I thought this board might have been inspired by one of my favorite movies, for a moment. ;)
In all seriousness, this is why I try not to browse the IC threads too much... because then I stumble across projects like this and I get the urges. You know the kind that I mean.... the kind that makes me spend the monies for the keyboards...
Great looking board though. So much good 65% stuff lately.
Wow, nice! Thank you so much, bro.
Contain the urges :)
Hey now, I think you're actually the source of all the urges with regular update on GH, reddit and instagram ;)
Not that I'm complaining!
Post by: Starius on Tue, 12 March 2019, 06:24:56
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/namsqa9.jpg)
THINK frame in my study room
(https://i.postimg.cc/yDZfJLR7/4596.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yDZfJLR7)
I thought this board might have been inspired by one of my favorite movies, for a moment. ;)
In all seriousness, this is why I try not to browse the IC threads too much... because then I stumble across projects like this and I get the urges. You know the kind that I mean.... the kind that makes me spend the monies for the keyboards...
Great looking board though. So much good 65% stuff lately.
Wow, nice! Thank you so much, bro.
Contain the urges :)
Hey now, I think you're actually the source of all the urges with regular update on GH, reddit and instagram ;)
Not that I'm complaining!
That's true. He says "Contain the urges," but his actions say, "Encourage the urge!" ;)
And when you get the urge, the only prescription is.... more keeb! ;)
Post by: Bhk1004 on Tue, 12 March 2019, 07:53:40
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 12 March 2019, 12:07:22
Note the decision to add the 4th option has not been finalized and we will include only if enough people are interested. Thank you for the suggestions. Appreciate the support.
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Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 12 March 2019, 12:25:32
We are considering adding a 4th layout of compatible with badge, please fill out the form or update your old form if you are interested in this layout: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1KRWAYYYrB1h_g5ScqGBNsXAQZ2xYPu9bjIPLAIRx--4
Note the decision to add the 4th option has not been finalized and we will include only if enough people are interested. Thank you for the suggestions. Appreciate the support.
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Good stuff Oldcat, thanks so much for giving the 4th layout a shot by putting it in the IC form! I think I have said this to you before, but that would my ideal version of this board. I'm really hoping it garners enough support to get added, I already edited my IC form to vote for it. Come on compatibility people lets make it happen! :thumb:
Post by: ninjacore on Tue, 12 March 2019, 13:35:36
Post by: Darknight00z on Tue, 12 March 2019, 14:03:53
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 12 March 2019, 15:20:17
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Post by: Starius on Tue, 12 March 2019, 15:37:53
In trying to make sense of the textual feedback we received, I did some simple LDA topic modeling of the text . It is an unsupervised text mining approach but you kind of get what topics poll participants are talking about. Feel free to use the data to do some analysis and get some insights too.
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Yep.... I feel much more insightful after reading that.... 😜
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 12 March 2019, 15:59:49
In trying to make sense of the textual feedback we received, I did some simple LDA topic modeling of the text . It is an unsupervised text mining approach but you kind of get what topics poll participants are talking about. Feel free to use the data to do some analysis and get some insights too.
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Yep.... I feel much more insightful after reading that.... 😜
Haha :)
Post by: voxkey on Tue, 12 March 2019, 17:34:41
All praise split backspace with badge
Amen! Let’s up that split backspace support and vote for layout #4!
Post by: Bhk1004 on Tue, 12 March 2019, 17:35:35
All praise split backspace with badge
Amen! Let’s up that split backspace support and vote for layout #4!
Not looking good so far...
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 12 March 2019, 19:37:58
All praise split backspace with badge
Amen! Let’s up that split backspace support and vote for layout #4!
Not looking good so far...
Not many have updated their forms yet, let’s wait to see what happens
Post by: voxkey on Tue, 12 March 2019, 21:23:06
All praise split backspace with badge
Amen! Let’s up that split backspace support and vote for layout #4!
Not looking good so far...
The new form has only been active for a few hours and we already have 22 for layout #4. I’d say that it’s looking pretty good!
Post by: ninjacore on Tue, 12 March 2019, 21:29:51
All praise split backspace with badge
Praise be!
Post by: phunktional on Wed, 13 March 2019, 01:08:02
All praise split backspace with badgeI really hope this comes through. Please vote!
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 13 March 2019, 01:40:03
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Post by: voxkey on Wed, 13 March 2019, 09:01:37
Update: Prototype material QC passed, will put on CNC machines soon.
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Looks like you'll have to make four prototypes meow!!!
Post by: Bhk1004 on Wed, 13 March 2019, 09:05:57
All praise split backspace with badge
Amen! Let’s up that split backspace support and vote for layout #4!
Not looking good so far...
The new form has only been active for a few hours and we already have 22 for layout #4. I’d say that it’s looking pretty good!
Looks like support still coming in!
Post by: voxkey on Wed, 13 March 2019, 10:17:47
All praise split backspace with badge
Amen! Let’s up that split backspace support and vote for layout #4!
Not looking good so far...
The new form has only been active for a few hours and we already have 22 for layout #4. I’d say that it’s looking pretty good!
Looks like support still coming in!
I think once the ISO crowd realizes they can now get the compact 660 layout with option #4, support will go crazy. At least I hope!
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 13 March 2019, 12:00:08
Look at the TGR 910. That board owns the “65% with a blocked top right corner” look now. You see that layout, you know it’s a 910.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1756/41801521895_65beecbd13_h.jpg)
Let this board own the “65% X 66%” look.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 13 March 2019, 12:18:04
Honestly I think oldcat should only offer #1 plus #4 and leave out the rest. The badge is what makes this board look especially distinct and unique.
Look at the TGR 910. That board owns the “65% with a blocked top right corner” look now. You see that layout, you know it’s a 910.Show Image(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1756/41801521895_65beecbd13_h.jpg)
Let this board own the “65% X 66%” look.
Thanks, bro, for the feedback. That was my original intent. It seems quite a few people do not like a 660 layout though.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 13 March 2019, 12:18:55
Honestly I think oldcat should only offer #1 plus #4 and leave out the rest. The badge is what makes this board look especially distinct and unique.
Look at the TGR 910. That board owns the “65% with a blocked top right corner” look now. You see that layout, you know it’s a 910.Show Image(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1756/41801521895_65beecbd13_h.jpg)
Let this board own the “65% X 66%” look.
Thanks, bro, for the feedback. That was my original intent. It seems quite a few people do not like a 660 layout though.
Post by: KevlarBear on Wed, 13 March 2019, 12:22:45
Honestly I think oldcat should only offer #1 plus #4 and leave out the rest. The badge is what makes this board look especially distinct and unique.
Look at the TGR 910. That board owns the “65% with a blocked top right corner” look now. You see that layout, you know it’s a 910.
Let this board own the “65% X 66%” look.
The only way I would switch to the badge layouts would be if badges are offered in the same PC color of the case so I do not have to color match my sets against the badge color or spend money to color match the badge to my set of choice.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 13 March 2019, 12:27:36
Honestly I think oldcat should only offer #1 plus #4 and leave out the rest. The badge is what makes this board look especially distinct and unique.
Look at the TGR 910. That board owns the “65% with a blocked top right corner” look now. You see that layout, you know it’s a 910.
Let this board own the “65% X 66%” look.
The only way I would switch to the badge layouts would be if badges are offered in the same PC color of the case so I do not have to color match my sets against the badge color or spend money to color match the badge to my set of choice.
Optional PC badge and anodized aluminum color badges are just being discussed in discord. Will consider that.
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Wed, 13 March 2019, 12:38:21
Post by: voxkey on Wed, 13 March 2019, 13:10:49
If there is a demand for non-badge, and oldcat is willing to make them, then why remove them as an option?
Combining options #2 and #3 would allow for a non-badged option for any layout and still keep it at 3 layouts total. You could still likely use the hotswap pcb as well. Just a thought.
Post by: Bhk1004 on Wed, 13 March 2019, 13:32:35
If there is a demand for non-badge, and oldcat is willing to make them, then why remove them as an option?
Combining options #2 and #3 would allow for a non-badged option for any layout and still keep it at 3 layouts total. You could still likely use the hotswap pcb as well. Just a thought.
Agree, think too much overlap between the 2 options to seperate it.
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Wed, 13 March 2019, 13:37:12
Post by: voxkey on Wed, 13 March 2019, 15:24:56
1) ANSI fixed with badge (the way oldcat intended it to be)
2) Compatible with badge
3) Compatible without badge
Doesn't increase the amount of layouts and serves the most people at the same time.
Obviously just my opinions on the matter. The fact that all of our feedback is encouraged and readily heard is incredible.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 13 March 2019, 16:40:03
I think for layouts this makes the most sense to me:
1) ANSI fixed with badge (the way oldcat intended it to be)
2) Compatible with badge
3) Compatible without badge
Doesn't increase the amount of layouts and serves the most people at the same time.
Obviously just my opinions on the matter. The fact that all of our feedback is encouraged and readily heard is incredible.
This could potentially work, but let's see how the final poll converges :)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 13 March 2019, 19:33:12
If there is a demand for non-badge, and oldcat is willing to make them, then why remove them as an option?
I still kind of think there is a sizable crowd who did not change to badge version because they do not want to switch. Let’s find out soon
Post by: Bhk1004 on Wed, 13 March 2019, 20:35:34
If there is a demand for non-badge, and oldcat is willing to make them, then why remove them as an option?
Option 3 is non badged?
Post by: voxkey on Wed, 13 March 2019, 20:56:42
If there is a demand for non-badge, and oldcat is willing to make them, then why remove them as an option?
Option 3 is non badged?
Yes, option 3 has no badge. It’s a straight 65% layout.
Post by: krey on Wed, 13 March 2019, 21:33:10
Post by: Starius on Wed, 13 March 2019, 21:33:52
Though I noticed that the hotswap options support both standard and stepped capslock? Is that right?
I don't think I've seen a hotswap that's supported both of those before.
Post by: whalematrontron on Wed, 13 March 2019, 21:34:08
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 13 March 2019, 22:41:51
As long as I get my 7u space bar you will have my support oldcat. :)
Yes :) That vintage look :)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 13 March 2019, 22:45:45
One more render while we wait for the proto
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 14 March 2019, 00:15:52
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Post by: PikaJoyce on Thu, 14 March 2019, 00:23:40
Making Prototype in progress. 3 machines running now.This is looking really good!!!
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Post by: empa on Thu, 14 March 2019, 03:03:16
appreciate the regular updates and pics .. keep them coming!
Post by: kolyz on Thu, 14 March 2019, 08:47:17
Will badges/ weights be available in different colors? Will you include stabilizers?
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Thu, 14 March 2019, 08:50:57
Board looks great! :thumb:
Will badges/ weights be available in different colors? Will you include stabilizers?
Usually adding extra stuff like GMK stabs increases wait time, but yeah - oldcat, are you planning to include these?
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 14 March 2019, 09:39:22
Board looks great! :thumb:
Will badges/ weights be available in different colors? Will you include stabilizers?
Usually adding extra stuff like GMK stabs increases wait time, but yeah - oldcat, are you planning to include these?
No stabilizers unfortunately, like any other keyboard GB on Geekhack :) Feel free to buy them from novelkeys, it’s about 10 dollars for a whole set and they ship very fast.
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 14 March 2019, 09:40:51
Board looks great! :thumb:
Will badges/ weights be available in different colors? Will you include stabilizers?
Hey bro!
Yes different color badge options are being considered, poll coming soon.
Default will be brass pvd for both badge and weight
And no stabs sorry. You can buy from novelkeys for 10 dollars
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 14 March 2019, 09:42:11
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Post by: kolyz on Thu, 14 March 2019, 09:51:50
Yeah I will definitely grab them from novelkeys, I was just wondering if you were going to include any stabs to begin with :)Board looks great! :thumb:
Will badges/ weights be available in different colors? Will you include stabilizers?
Hey bro!
Yes different color badge options are being considered, poll coming soon.
Default will be brass pvd for both badge and weight
And no stabs sorry. You can buy from novelkeys for 10 dollars
Super excited to see the final prototype of the brass badge and weight!
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 14 March 2019, 10:01:06
Took a day to fine tune and almost done before sandblast for frosting
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Nice!!
Post by: ninjacore on Thu, 14 March 2019, 10:54:19
No stabilizers unfortunately, like any other keyboard GB on Geekhack :) Feel free to buy them from novelkeys, it’s about 10 dollars for a whole set and they ship very fast.
Fusion60 came with stabs, so fair question
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 14 March 2019, 11:00:57
No stabilizers unfortunately, like any other keyboard GB on Geekhack :) Feel free to buy them from novelkeys, it’s about 10 dollars for a whole set and they ship very fast.
Fusion60 came with stabs, so fair question
Thanks, I did not know Fusion60 came with stabs. Sorry, I do not have a way to source a large number of stabilizers.
Post by: TuCZnak on Thu, 14 March 2019, 11:11:39
Took a day to fine tune and almost done before polishing and sandblast for frostingWhoa, that looks nice, rename board to Thicc 6.5 :cool:
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Post by: ninjacore on Thu, 14 March 2019, 11:27:28
No stabilizers unfortunately, like any other keyboard GB on Geekhack :) Feel free to buy them from novelkeys, it’s about 10 dollars for a whole set and they ship very fast.
Fusion60 came with stabs, so fair question
Thanks, I did not know Fusion60 came with stabs. Sorry, I do not have a way to source a large number of stabilizers.
Not a big deal. I don't even know if it's a good precedent as some folks might have wanted to use a different type anyway.
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 14 March 2019, 14:03:43
No stabilizers unfortunately, like any other keyboard GB on Geekhack :) Feel free to buy them from novelkeys, it’s about 10 dollars for a whole set and they ship very fast.
Fusion60 came with stabs, so fair question
Thanks, I did not know Fusion60 came with stabs. Sorry, I do not have a way to source a large number of stabilizers.
Not a big deal. I don't even know if it's a good precedent as some folks might have wanted to use a different type anyway.
Thanks! I think both GMK screw-in and the transparency gold ones from zeal are great stabs.
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 14 March 2019, 19:23:05
Board looks great! :thumb:
Will badges/ weights be available in different colors? Will you include stabilizers?
I have some plans to either offer additional raffle items for colored weights or badges, or make them optional, or maybe both. Haven't decided yet as I don't know if enough people will be interested.
Stabilizers will not be included, please prepare the stablizers you like :)
Post by: igke on Fri, 15 March 2019, 04:18:09
Looks crisp even before sandblasting!
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 15 March 2019, 10:53:49
(https://i.imgur.com/mgVKBxS.jpg)
Plus Nines, and Laser:
(https://i.imgur.com/mVkJKZO.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/NIhzHEm.png)
Post by: Bhk1004 on Fri, 15 March 2019, 12:05:00
Post by: PikaJoyce on Fri, 15 March 2019, 12:25:47
Post by: voxkey on Fri, 15 March 2019, 15:50:38
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 15 March 2019, 16:20:30
All of these renders would look better if the layout wasn't wrong :P
Need to work on ISO layout I guess :) but maybe the actual prototype with ISO pictures will come soon...
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 15 March 2019, 23:50:01
(https://i.imgur.com/o58vzux.png)
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Sat, 16 March 2019, 00:36:25
Post by: voxkey on Sat, 16 March 2019, 08:09:28
The more I think about it, the more I might be interested in layout #4. Still not enough to switch my form from #3 though... Maybe :blank:
😻
Post by: bunanapeel on Sat, 16 March 2019, 13:05:21
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 16 March 2019, 16:44:28
I'm super excited for this board, it looks great! The only thing I don't fully understand is the whole color scheme with the badges. It looks like theres gonna be a lot of options but I would probably stick to a neutral color scheme so I can use most keycaps with mine.
Hey thanks for the support.
There is a badge version and a badgeless version, for badge version the default will be PVD brass badge and PVD brass weight. There will be anodized color aluminum and plain PC badges either as options or as free raffle items (or both, TBD now).
Post by: Keebmeupscotty on Sat, 16 March 2019, 19:25:52
I don't typically like going for heavy per-key rgb, but with a case like this, I feel like I'd want to be able to turn on some sort of upward rgb and have the whole thing glowing periodically... just 'cause I could.
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 16 March 2019, 22:44:13
Sorry if this has already been asked and I just skimmed past it, but I had a question about the lighting. There is underglow and 4x rgb backlighting for the esc key being offered. I wonder, however, given the thicc and PC nature of upper half of the board, might some spread out rgb backlighting facing upwards on the pcb be possible? (like underglow, but upwards... i guess upperglow?) This might allow for upward rgb effects even if mx blacks or other opaque switches were used in the build.
I don't typically like going for heavy per-key rgb, but with a case like this, I feel like I'd want to be able to turn on some sort of upward rgb and have the whole thing glowing periodically... just 'cause I could.
So for this particular plate (4.5mm PC plate), any LED on the top side will require perfect cuts into the plates from under. Something we can consider for sure, but I am a bit concerned about light leakage if too many visuals are added.
Don't forget there will be 3 LED slots under the stripe area above the badge where you can add more visuals.
Post by: Keebmeupscotty on Sat, 16 March 2019, 23:32:30
Sorry if this has already been asked and I just skimmed past it, but I had a question about the lighting. There is underglow and 4x rgb backlighting for the esc key being offered. I wonder, however, given the thicc and PC nature of upper half of the board, might some spread out rgb backlighting facing upwards on the pcb be possible? (like underglow, but upwards... i guess upperglow?) This might allow for upward rgb effects even if mx blacks or other opaque switches were used in the build.
I don't typically like going for heavy per-key rgb, but with a case like this, I feel like I'd want to be able to turn on some sort of upward rgb and have the whole thing glowing periodically... just 'cause I could.
So for this particular plate (4.5mm PC plate), any LED on the top side will require perfect cuts into the plates from under. Something we can consider for sure, but I am a bit concerned about light leakage if too many visuals are added.
Don't forget there will be 3 LED slots under the stripe area above the badge where you can add more visuals.
Understood, I had forgotten about the badge area LEDs. I suppose I was suggesting a solution similar to the images for the gk64 pcb on kbdfans website ( https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1473/3902/products/3_d7702c80-2295-4fd4-8a7b-f0f4b82c161f_1800x1800.jpg?v=1536242495 ) where the rgb leds actually are smd mounted to the underside of the pcb, but point upwards and there is a hole in the pcb to allow them to shine upwards. In that scenario, I'd expect them to be coordinated with whatever visual setting the underglow leds were on to make the effect cover the whole board. I definitely see your point about bleed and would only suggest a few across the board (as many as underglow leds). Of course if you think the prototyping of this on a pcb would be cost prohibitive or would cause too much bleed/be undesirable, I'd trust your opinion. Was just bringing it up because I thought it might be doable with minimal cost and had potential to make the material choice of this case shine its brightest.
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 16 March 2019, 23:48:55
Sorry if this has already been asked and I just skimmed past it, but I had a question about the lighting. There is underglow and 4x rgb backlighting for the esc key being offered. I wonder, however, given the thicc and PC nature of upper half of the board, might some spread out rgb backlighting facing upwards on the pcb be possible? (like underglow, but upwards... i guess upperglow?) This might allow for upward rgb effects even if mx blacks or other opaque switches were used in the build.
I don't typically like going for heavy per-key rgb, but with a case like this, I feel like I'd want to be able to turn on some sort of upward rgb and have the whole thing glowing periodically... just 'cause I could.
So for this particular plate (4.5mm PC plate), any LED on the top side will require perfect cuts into the plates from under. Something we can consider for sure, but I am a bit concerned about light leakage if too many visuals are added.
Don't forget there will be 3 LED slots under the stripe area above the badge where you can add more visuals.
Understood, I had forgotten about the badge area LEDs. I suppose I was suggesting a solution similar to the images for the gk64 pcb on kbdfans website ( https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1473/3902/products/3_d7702c80-2295-4fd4-8a7b-f0f4b82c161f_1800x1800.jpg?v=1536242495 ) where the rgb leds actually are smd mounted to the underside of the pcb, but point upwards and there is a hole in the pcb to allow them to shine upwards. In that scenario, I'd expect them to be coordinated with whatever visual setting the underglow leds were on to make the effect cover the whole board. I definitely see your point about bleed and would only suggest a few across the board (as many as underglow leds). Of course if you think the prototyping of this on a pcb would be cost prohibitive or would cause too much bleed/be undesirable, I'd trust your opinion. Was just bringing it up because I thought it might be doable with minimal cost and had potential to make the material choice of this case shine its brightest.
Thanks! Now I understand what you are referring to. I think it is an interesting idea.
However, I think if per key LED is sort of desired it actually makes sense to add one for each key but not just a few. Personally I hate per key LED with a passion so this round will include per key SMD Leds. Cost is not a concern at all for this GB, so the decision is not motivated by cost but really by design choices. I think 3 sources of light will work wonderfully and you will like it.
That said, if enough people are interested in per key SMD LEDs, I might ask the PCB maker to run a GB for per key Led PCB in the future.
Post by: kitty on Sun, 17 March 2019, 08:32:46
Post by: Keebmeupscotty on Sun, 17 March 2019, 09:44:48
What I was suggesting was basically upwards mirror of the underglow rgb leds so that whatever underglow lighting you have would be mirrored upwardsinto the case.
However, you are right for sure... at that point you might lose the effect of the badge leds and 4x rgb on the top of pcb, so it wasn't really the best of suggestions. Thx for your responses, regardless though.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 17 March 2019, 17:26:29
I definitely agree with you on the perkey rgb. That's not what I was suggesting, rather, I was using that pcb for an example on the led mounting style.
What I was suggesting was basically upwards mirror of the underglow rgb leds so that whatever underglow lighting you have would be mirrored upwardsinto the case.
However, you are right for sure... at that point you might lose the effect of the badge leds and 4x rgb on the top of pcb, so it wasn't really the best of suggestions. Thx for your responses, regardless though.
Thanks, this is something I will talk to the PCB designer. Your point was certainly well taken. What I meant was, if we cut a few LEDs to emit light upwards, we might as well just make a PCB with per key SMD LED. Something the PCB is willing to do (along with the QMK dual-mode bluetooth feature), if enough people are interested in.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 17 March 2019, 18:19:53
3/17/2019:
1. CNC cases have been made, pending sand-blasting. CNC cases checked for accuracy of the edges and the holes and passed QC.
2. Badges/weights CNC in progress, will get PVD treatment and anodization soon
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Post by: voxkey on Sun, 17 March 2019, 20:56:58
Post by: kolyz on Sun, 17 March 2019, 21:04:12
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 17 March 2019, 23:41:18
oof that pic!
It is taken before cleaning, polishing, and sandblasting :P
Post by: Tekniqs on Mon, 18 March 2019, 02:42:18
Post by: fractl on Mon, 18 March 2019, 02:52:03
In that render, you also depict a darker base matched with a frosted polycarbonate top. Is that actually going to be an option? I'm not saying that I definitely would chose that option if it were available, but it's certainly interesting.
I'd be opting for one of the hot-swap PCBs, but, if there were a version 4 that included a split spacebar option, I might be tempted to break out my soldering iron. I realize that you wouldn't necessarily want to compromise the PCB to fill what is probably a rare request, but I'm just thinking aloud. Again, I'm not sure I'd even chose such an option, even if it were available, since the option of swapping out switches on a whim probably trumps minor layout preferences.
Anyway, I've been following this thread more closely than any other. The reciprocity between you and the community has made the whole process more engaging. Well done.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 18 March 2019, 03:50:26
Just a thought.
(https://i.imgur.com/u1GsDj6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/q0zzTL8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VUR18vp.jpg)
Post by: Furikurichemy on Mon, 18 March 2019, 04:03:13
Possible full pvd brass version? Anyone will be interested?
Just a thought.
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If it's in black PVD then YES :)
Post by: voxkey on Mon, 18 March 2019, 07:44:45
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 18 March 2019, 10:16:40
Possible full pvd brass version? Anyone will be interested?
Just a thought.
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If it's in black PVD then YES :)
Definitely something to keep in mind. The factory has a large brass business, so I assume black PVD should be a normal surface treatment procedure.
Post by: Emir on Mon, 18 March 2019, 11:20:18
Possible full pvd brass version? Anyone will be interested?(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=99634.0;attach=215547;image)
Just a thought.
Oh my... :O
Post by: TuCZnak on Mon, 18 March 2019, 12:42:38
Possible full pvd brass version? Anyone will be interested?Perhaps the sort of people that buy golden phones and stuff? Or if you for some reason need 10kg keyboard? Other than that IMO polycarb works way better...
Just a thought.
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Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 18 March 2019, 12:58:23
You are posting in a GB thread with the intent to spend hundreds of dollars on a custom keyboard partly because it looks way nicer than others, and you’re unironically looking down on people for liking stuffs that look nicer to them?Possible full pvd brass version? Anyone will be interested?Perhaps the sort of people that buy golden phones and stuff? Or if you for some reason need 10kg keyboard? Other than that IMO polycarb works way better...
Just a thought.
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Jeez.
Post by: TuCZnak on Mon, 18 March 2019, 13:03:20
You are posting in a GB thread with the intent to spend hundreds of dollars on a custom keyboard partly because it looks way nicer than others, and you’re unironically looking down on people for liking stuffs that look nicer to them?Possible full pvd brass version? Anyone will be interested?Perhaps the sort of people that buy golden phones and stuff? Or if you for some reason need 10kg keyboard? Other than that IMO polycarb works way better...
Just a thought.
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Jeez.
Nope, I was semi-joking, sorry if that offended you. Everyone likes something different and I'm not about to shame anyone for that. But as I said, in my opinion it doesn't work with the keyboard and polycarb is a much better choice.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 18 March 2019, 13:41:16
You are posting in a GB thread with the intent to spend hundreds of dollars on a custom keyboard partly because it looks way nicer than others, and you’re unironically looking down on people for liking stuffs that look nicer to them?Possible full pvd brass version? Anyone will be interested?Perhaps the sort of people that buy golden phones and stuff? Or if you for some reason need 10kg keyboard? Other than that IMO polycarb works way better...
Just a thought.
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Jeez.
Nope, I was semi-joking, sorry if that offended you. Everyone likes something different and I'm not about to shame anyone for that. But as I said, in my opinion it doesn't work with the keyboard and polycarb is a much better choice.
Totally agree with you! My pick will be Polycarb too. The full brass probably could have PVD shiny black, rose gold, and gold options, so won't be simply a gold-ish unit :)
If we are to do a full brass edition, I can envision it being just a limited quantity special edition, maybe 5 or 10 units, just for spicing up this GB purpose. I personally have not tried full brass yet, but quite intrigued by it.
From the manufacturing perspective, it is actually tough to not lose money at this small quantity of units (e.g., one failure could make it a big loss). Furthermore, I believe $650 is actually not that hefty amount compared with some nicely-designed regular aluminum boards being sold aftermarket, so maybe it's a cool idea to put out here :)
Post by: Uryftw on Mon, 18 March 2019, 13:42:59
Post by: noahf on Mon, 18 March 2019, 14:46:38
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 18 March 2019, 15:33:01
what would the weight be on the brass version?
If we do a full brass version, my plan is that it will come with 2 weights and 2 badges. I am not sure what is more desirable, so feel free to provide some ideas.
The idea of the full brass version is really to increase fun and spice for the GB. As slots will be very limited, we can potentially do more customization with them :)
Post by: PhreshPrinceOfChinaTown on Mon, 18 March 2019, 17:31:10
Post by: Furikurichemy on Mon, 18 March 2019, 18:24:10
Post by: Bhk1004 on Mon, 18 March 2019, 18:30:25
Post by: urbantheii on Mon, 18 March 2019, 18:58:57
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 18 March 2019, 22:52:01
I need full brass....
Rose gold and black PVD going strong. I guess gold color PVD is not getting much love haha.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 18 March 2019, 23:30:20
(https://i.imgur.com/ls42c0V.png)
Post by: voxkey on Tue, 19 March 2019, 09:07:27
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 19 March 2019, 12:09:43
Skip the PVD on the solid brass and accelerate its patina with various oils. I want it to look like it’s been pulled from a shipwreck. :)
Without surface treatment, the brass may oxidize though :(
Post by: yur1orlov on Tue, 19 March 2019, 12:11:38
Post by: voxkey on Tue, 19 March 2019, 13:33:18
Skip the PVD on the solid brass and accelerate its patina with various oils. I want it to look like it’s been pulled from a shipwreck. :)
Without surface treatment, the brass may oxidize though :(
Yes. That’s the idea :P
Post by: bunanapeel on Tue, 19 March 2019, 13:45:16
Post by: PikaJoyce on Tue, 19 March 2019, 15:35:40
Hmmmm idk if I would go for the full brass version, knowing my luck I would miss my chance anyways. If I got a set of gmk olivia with the rose gold brass case I would do it in a heartbeat tho. But honestly I'm mostly interested in this case because of the PC material.Totally the same. I wanna see and hear what interesting things a t h i c c PC plate could do.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 19 March 2019, 18:37:46
Hmmmm idk if I would go for the full brass version, knowing my luck I would miss my chance anyways. If I got a set of gmk olivia with the rose gold brass case I would do it in a heartbeat tho. But honestly I'm mostly interested in this case because of the PC material.
PC is awesome! I added the option for full brass primarily because there was a strong push for it from the Chinese group :)
And it appears many GH friends are interested as well, so we shall see how this develops. In any way, full brass will not affect the PC Group Buy.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 19 March 2019, 22:18:34
Hmmmm idk if I would go for the full brass version, knowing my luck I would miss my chance anyways. If I got a set of gmk olivia with the rose gold brass case I would do it in a heartbeat tho. But honestly I'm mostly interested in this case because of the PC material.Totally the same. I wanna see and hear what interesting things a t h i c c PC plate could do.
Yes, thicc PC plate can do wonders. haha
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 20 March 2019, 11:33:32
(https://i.imgur.com/35SdDw5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Y3eYGWm.jpg)
Post by: mrboli on Wed, 20 March 2019, 13:38:39
What does it look like without a badge and can there be a PC insert (for color matching purposes)
Post by: Bhk1004 on Wed, 20 March 2019, 13:40:57
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 20 March 2019, 15:14:26
So from what I gather here, the badge is removable and swappable?
What does it look like without a badge and can there be a PC insert (for color matching purposes)
Yes the badge is removable and replaceable.
Yes, it is possible to have a PC badge. Great idea regarding a PC badge. I will do a render with the PC insert.
Post by: voxkey on Wed, 20 March 2019, 15:25:54
So from what I gather here, the badge is removable and swappable?
What does it look like without a badge and can there be a PC insert (for color matching purposes)
Also keep in mind the badge file will be released after the GB, so getting one 3D printed in a custom color to match a keyset should be pretty inexpensive.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 20 March 2019, 21:29:45
So from what I gather here, the badge is removable and swappable?
What does it look like without a badge and can there be a PC insert (for color matching purposes)
Also keep in mind the badge file will be released after the GB, so getting one 3D printed in a custom color to match a keyset should be pretty inexpensive.
That's correct! 3D print is quite affordable, even in the US :)
Post by: keysRus on Wed, 20 March 2019, 22:56:23
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 20 March 2019, 23:10:58
Hey oldcat, any word on whether the hotswap pcb will work in the compatible case yet? (Was hoping to buy 2 pcbs, one non hot swap and one that is)
Hey bro, hotswap PCB will work on the compatible layout, but only with the fixed layout it comes with. Not sure if this is what you are asking?
BTW, love you user ID :)
Post by: foxmancore on Thu, 21 March 2019, 08:19:02
Post by: mrboli on Thu, 21 March 2019, 09:32:33
Yes the badge is removable and replaceable.
Yes, it is possible to have a PC badge. Great idea regarding a PC badge. I will do a render with the PC insert.
Awesome. Loving this whole project! Definitely doing it right! The hype is so real even on instagram.
BTW what's the reasoning behind the PC plate? I know you mentioned it was about sound? I'm not aware of why this would be the case. I've only heard of brass having better sound due to certain metallic properties people draw parallels with musical instruments and people say it feels better since it's solid.
Also super curious if a full brass build would have a lot of interesting sounds with a super tactile / clicky switch or even just unlubed linears haha
Post by: fractl on Thu, 21 March 2019, 12:51:15
I'm wondering, since you'll be getting prototypes, if there's a chance that you might be posting a sound test of the keyboard prior to or during the GB? I know this doesn't usually happen, but, given that the keyboard is being built around the thick PC plate, and being designed to eliminate the need for sound dampening, I thought that might be very interesting and informative, particularly since the suggestion is that the keyboard might sound fairly different than what we're generally used to. Frankly, I'm hoping to join the GB either way, but it doesn't hurt to be informed. :D
Post by: voxkey on Thu, 21 March 2019, 14:08:56
Yes the badge is removable and replaceable.
Yes, it is possible to have a PC badge. Great idea regarding a PC badge. I will do a render with the PC insert.
Awesome. Loving this whole project! Definitely doing it right! The hype is so real even on instagram.
BTW what's the reasoning behind the PC plate? I know you mentioned it was about sound? I'm not aware of why this would be the case. I've only heard of brass having better sound due to certain metallic properties people draw parallels with musical instruments and people say it feels better since it's solid.
Also super curious if a full brass build would have a lot of interesting sounds with a super tactile / clicky switch or even just unlubed linears haha
PC really let’s the sound of the switch come through unmolested and because it’s pretty flexible you can build a thick integrated plate with it and not have to worry about it being too stiff. So you end up with nice sound, consistent feel, and no harsh bottom out.
Full brass sounds great, but this is obviously subjective. If you can get spring ping reverb under control, it should sound nice, full, and deep.
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 21 March 2019, 18:00:26
Yes the badge is removable and replaceable.
Yes, it is possible to have a PC badge. Great idea regarding a PC badge. I will do a render with the PC insert.
Awesome. Loving this whole project! Definitely doing it right! The hype is so real even on instagram.
BTW what's the reasoning behind the PC plate? I know you mentioned it was about sound? I'm not aware of why this would be the case. I've only heard of brass having better sound due to certain metallic properties people draw parallels with musical instruments and people say it feels better since it's solid.
Also super curious if a full brass build would have a lot of interesting sounds with a super tactile / clicky switch or even just unlubed linears haha
PC really let’s the sound of the switch come through unmolested and because it’s pretty flexible you can build a thick integrated plate with it and not have to worry about it being too stiff. So you end up with nice sound, consistent feel, and no harsh bottom out.
Full brass sounds great, but this is obviously subjective. If you can get spring ping reverb under control, it should sound nice, full, and deep.
Yes the badge is removable and replaceable.
Yes, it is possible to have a PC badge. Great idea regarding a PC badge. I will do a render with the PC insert.
Awesome. Loving this whole project! Definitely doing it right! The hype is so real even on instagram.
BTW what's the reasoning behind the PC plate? I know you mentioned it was about sound? I'm not aware of why this would be the case. I've only heard of brass having better sound due to certain metallic properties people draw parallels with musical instruments and people say it feels better since it's solid.
Also super curious if a full brass build would have a lot of interesting sounds with a super tactile / clicky switch or even just unlubed linears haha
Yes the badge is removable and replaceable.
Yes, it is possible to have a PC badge. Great idea regarding a PC badge. I will do a render with the PC insert.
Awesome. Loving this whole project! Definitely doing it right! The hype is so real even on instagram.
BTW what's the reasoning behind the PC plate? I know you mentioned it was about sound? I'm not aware of why this would be the case. I've only heard of brass having better sound due to certain metallic properties people draw parallels with musical instruments and people say it feels better since it's solid.
Also super curious if a full brass build would have a lot of interesting sounds with a super tactile / clicky switch or even just unlubed linears haha
PC really let’s the sound of the switch come through unmolested and because it’s pretty flexible you can build a thick integrated plate with it and not have to worry about it being too stiff. So you end up with nice sound, consistent feel, and no harsh bottom out.
Full brass sounds great, but this is obviously subjective. If you can get spring ping reverb under control, it should sound nice, full, and deep.
Voxkey basically provided the gist of it behind the design choice. I will explain in a bit of more details:
First off, people like consistent typing experience. It is widely accepted that tray mount is least consistent, top mount is a bit better and gasket seems promising (IMO still pretty bad based on recent sound test videos of Volcano66). Integrated thick plates are the most consistent, and it has been tested.
Second, people also do not enjoy the stiffness or the harshness of bottoming out (especially with tactile switches) due to no flex and reverberation of the metal sound. In this respect, Tray mount is ok, top mount is fine, and gasket is also promising. However, integrated thick, metal plates are not good.
To achieve an ideal balance and combination, one would expect gasket to be the happy medium. However, the question is whether there is a better design choice. My experiment results show that the sound of the typing depends quite a bit on the typing material, not so much the mounting mechanism (tested by myself). I have tried plates of numerous materials as comparisons, in different thickness, including aluminum, brass, polycarbonate, FR4, carbon fiber, steel. And I find PC to have a very nice property of absorbing the impact and preserving or even amplifying the sound and feel of the switch.
The last point, 1.5mm PC was way too flex and soft. Hence the final choice of 4.5mm PC. It is more difficult and costly to machine, than any other plate. But here we go.
Regarding your question around full brass. I have not used full brass in the past. I have tried keyboards with 1.5mm and 5mm brass plates. I would say brass sounds and feels better than steel and aluminum. If you can sort of get rid of the possible reverberation (I am not sure how serious it will be in a full brass model - need to find out), it will be golden, as you said it has some desirable qualities in the sound. I'd imagine it to be a super solid feeling.
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 21 March 2019, 18:09:52
Hi oldcat,
I'm wondering, since you'll be getting prototypes, if there's a chance that you might be posting a sound test of the keyboard prior to or during the GB? I know this doesn't usually happen, but, given that the keyboard is being built around the thick PC plate, and being designed to eliminate the need for sound dampening, I thought that might be very interesting and informative, particularly since the suggestion is that the keyboard might sound fairly different than what we're generally used to. Frankly, I'm hoping to join the GB either way, but it doesn't hurt to be informed. :D
Thanks for the support!
For sure, I will either have Potter or myself record typing videos.
To be clear, it does not dampen the sound, rather, it removes the metal pingings and preserves the sound of your switch. It might even amplify your native switch sound, depending on what switch you use.
Post by: fractl on Thu, 21 March 2019, 19:04:11
Post by: keysRus on Thu, 21 March 2019, 20:35:39
Hey oldcat, any word on whether the hotswap pcb will work in the compatible case yet? (Was hoping to buy 2 pcbs, one non hot swap and one that is)
Hey bro, hotswap PCB will work on the compatible layout, but only with the fixed layout it comes with. Not sure if this is what you are asking?
BTW, love you user ID :)
Basically. So, the compatible layout is a different cut of the actual plate, right? Will it still have the same "perfect cut" snugness of the regular ansi hotswap layout in a regular case, if I use the hotswap pcb with ansi setup in the compatible case?
Hehe thanks good sir.
Post by: voxkey on Thu, 21 March 2019, 21:39:57
Hey oldcat, any word on whether the hotswap pcb will work in the compatible case yet? (Was hoping to buy 2 pcbs, one non hot swap and one that is)
Hey bro, hotswap PCB will work on the compatible layout, but only with the fixed layout it comes with. Not sure if this is what you are asking?
BTW, love you user ID :)
Basically. So, the compatible layout is a different cut of the actual plate, right? Will it still have the same "perfect cut" snugness of the regular ansi hotswap layout in a regular case, if I use the hotswap pcb with ansi setup in the compatible case?
Hehe thanks good sir.
This will have to be tested of course since we really don’t have another integrated plate PC board to pull reference from, but speculating I believe it will be fine. Hopefully this is something Oldcat can test when the prototype comes in.
The switches will still fit snuggly into the hotswap socket and should properly align inside the plate. Of course if you for the solderable PCB there isn’t any issue to worry about.
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 21 March 2019, 22:53:23
Badge one is not frosted. Corrected white balance in the room.
(https://i.imgur.com/5Selndz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CTBHoDk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GigcPqe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zPhnZKM.jpg)
Post by: knazze on Thu, 21 March 2019, 22:56:00
Keep up the good work. I'm certain that this is going to turn into a beautiful board!
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 22 March 2019, 00:34:42
This keyboard is looking better everyday. I was 100% in a week ago and now I'm 1000% in.
Keep up the good work. I'm certain that this is going to turn into a beautiful board!
Thanks much for the strong support!
We should see the pictures with real caps soon.
Post by: Jaycob_Creighton on Fri, 22 March 2019, 06:38:42
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalk
Post by: voxkey on Fri, 22 March 2019, 08:28:27
:eek:
Post by: TheMnBN on Fri, 22 March 2019, 08:47:41
Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/549630609111253002/558642032457809951/unknown.png)
:eek:
It's alive! (almost)
Post by: kolyz on Fri, 22 March 2019, 09:00:16
Post by: voxkey on Fri, 22 March 2019, 09:22:16
Post by: joelmats3 on Fri, 22 March 2019, 10:13:20
Just curious if this is still on track for late March group buy?
Post by: vicissitude on Fri, 22 March 2019, 10:46:54
Nice.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 22 March 2019, 11:44:08
This is really amazing. I'm definitely in!
Just curious if this is still on track for late March group buy?
Yes, the plan is to launch around the same time as GMK Wavez :) Stay tuned!
(https://i.imgur.com/HIhYC0x.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/voalNwo.jpg)
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 22 March 2019, 12:01:59
Some prototype pictures showcasing the top piece plate cuts. Build stream will come soon on Chinese streaming site Douyu.I love this frosted look. With EnjoyPBT Kuro/Shiro coming later this month, it looks like I’m gonna have a super bright and shiny keyboard :)
Badge one is not frosted. Corrected white balance in the room.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5Selndz.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CTBHoDk.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GigcPqe.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zPhnZKM.jpg)
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 22 March 2019, 16:29:16
Some prototype pictures showcasing the top piece plate cuts. Build stream will come soon on Chinese streaming site Douyu.I love this frosted look. With EnjoyPBT Kuro/Shiro coming later this month, it looks like I’m gonna have a super bright and shiny keyboard :)
Badge one is not frosted. Corrected white balance in the room.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5Selndz.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CTBHoDk.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GigcPqe.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zPhnZKM.jpg)
Thanks! ePBT quality seems to go up quite substantially since 9009. I'd be interested in both Kuro/Shiro and biip's 2048
Post by: PikaJoyce on Fri, 22 March 2019, 16:32:30
Agreed! I plan on tossing grayscale on it to tone down the brightness but k/s is also another option I'm thinking about :). Hoping both k/s and think 6.5 come within the same time frame so I'd have a shiny new board for a shiny new keyset.Some prototype pictures showcasing the top piece plate cuts. Build stream will come soon on Chinese streaming site Douyu.I love this frosted look. With EnjoyPBT Kuro/Shiro coming later this month, it looks like I’m gonna have a super bright and shiny keyboard :)
Badge one is not frosted. Corrected white balance in the room.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5Selndz.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CTBHoDk.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GigcPqe.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zPhnZKM.jpg)
Thanks! ePBT quality seems to go up quite substantially since 9009. I'd be interested in both Kuro/Shiro and biip's 2048
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Fri, 22 March 2019, 17:05:01
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 22 March 2019, 17:49:14
I realize it's an off the wall request but is it possible to get a renter with clear caps? My current plan is to cast a full set of clear blanks to fill this board out and I'm wondering if that's a worthwhile plan to follow through with.
Sure, let me render one
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 22 March 2019, 18:20:03
I realize it's an off the wall request but is it possible to get a renter with clear caps? My current plan is to cast a full set of clear blanks to fill this board out and I'm wondering if that's a worthwhile plan to follow through with.
Interesting ideal, I wonder how this will look too! It might make for a super unique look, clear everything! :cool:
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 22 March 2019, 21:15:00
Based on numerous requests from users on additional aluminum bottom piece, I gave Potter a call about this possibility. So I updated the Poll with a new question on the optional aluminum bottom. If there is not enough interest we will drop this option.
Post by: voxkey on Fri, 22 March 2019, 21:55:41
Quote
Thanks! ePBT quality seems to go up quite substantially since 9009. I'd be interested in both Kuro/Shiro and biip's 2048
R4 9009 quality was amazing. Definitely pick up that set for the Think :)
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 22 March 2019, 22:11:19
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Thanks! ePBT quality seems to go up quite substantially since 9009. I'd be interested in both Kuro/Shiro and biip's 2048
R4 9009 quality was amazing. Definitely pick up that set for the Think :)
What? R4 already???
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Fri, 22 March 2019, 22:55:17
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 22 March 2019, 23:19:06
I just picked up R4 ePBT 9009 last week. It convinced me to sell all of my GMK sets. Kicking myself for missing the ePBT Slate GB...
This is a bold statement...
I have R2 9009 and for me it was "meh" according to Huey's scale. I did see heavy industry and it is much better.
I am even more excited for Shiro, Extend 2048 now...
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Fri, 22 March 2019, 23:33:53
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 23 March 2019, 00:14:15
I just prefer the way PBT feels and sounds over ABS. I've had some cheaper PBT caps that didn't impress me, but the ePBT 9009 R4 are really nice! I'll have to check out the others you just mentioned.
Do check out Extend 2048 if you like ePBT!
Post by: Darknight00z on Sat, 23 March 2019, 10:07:04
For me the main concern is if the brass weight is large enough to be heavy. I find boards between 1.2-2kg to be most pleasant to use.
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 23 March 2019, 15:04:45
Alu bottom is an interesting idea, but it kind of breaks the aesthetics of the board for me.
For me the main concern is if the brass weight is large enough to be heavy. I find boards between 1.2-2kg to be most pleasant to use.
Certainly agree it’s not everyone’s cup of tea :) will weigh the boards when I get them
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 23 March 2019, 23:02:03
I realize it's an off the wall request but is it possible to get a renter with clear caps? My current plan is to cast a full set of clear blanks to fill this board out and I'm wondering if that's a worthwhile plan to follow through with.
Interesting ideal, I wonder how this will look too! It might make for a super unique look, clear everything! :cool:
clear/translucent cap material render is taking a bit long, should be completed tomorrow.
Post by: mrboli on Sat, 23 March 2019, 23:08:00
clear/translucent cap material render is taking a bit long, should be completed tomorrow.
Excited!
Post by: DEMO S on Sun, 24 March 2019, 11:02:56
Post by: fromjuanm on Sun, 24 March 2019, 11:22:20
Post by: joelmats3 on Sun, 24 March 2019, 14:14:04
Post by: voxkey on Sun, 24 March 2019, 15:38:35
Have the badge/weight color options been determined yet? Trying to see what keycap set I want to use. Thanks!
Think Oldcat is still working out all the details regarding badge colors, but I'm pretty sure we'll have more information in the next few days after the prototype is finished.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 24 March 2019, 16:23:53
clear/translucent cap material render is taking a bit long, should be completed tomorrow.
Excited!
Here you go!
(https://i.imgur.com/IT3EPvM.jpg)
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Sun, 24 March 2019, 20:42:37
clear/translucent cap material render is taking a bit long, should be completed tomorrow.
Excited!
Here you go!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IT3EPvM.jpg)
Eeeeeeeeeeexcellent, can't wait for the GB. This also makes me wonder why no one's tried to make a white on clear GMK set.
Post by: mrboli on Sun, 24 March 2019, 20:59:15
I personally was curious about the badge / insert (if you're still working on that) w/ a any other random keyset (in case of color mismatches).
Let's say you get the PC version, would you be able to buy additional inserts w/ different colors for that purpose as well?
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 24 March 2019, 22:25:57
Omg that's insane you spent all the time to do the PC keycaps.
I personally was curious about the badge / insert (if you're still working on that) w/ a any other random keyset (in case of color mismatches).
Let's say you get the PC version, would you be able to buy additional inserts w/ different colors for that purpose as well?
Thanks for the kind words!
I will render a PC badge, somehow I forgot about that.
And bottom/badge prototyping is coming out. Pictures to come in a bit
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 24 March 2019, 22:27:10
(https://i.imgur.com/CXmCDYy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lko1uzx.jpg)
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 24 March 2019, 22:31:01
1. A decision was made to include full aluminum board as a separate option. I am not a big fan of Koyu/Doro/M60A style integrated plate for the reasons I have mentioned. But there are many requests. There will be a few colors available, no MOQ because demand from China is enough to cover MOQ. Same price as Polycarbonate.
2. Bottom case prototype done, pictures updated.
3. We will announce GB and raffle details 3/31/2019 6:50PM MST.
Post by: sozo on Mon, 25 March 2019, 02:16:14
3/24/2019 Update:
1. A decision was made to include full aluminum board as a separate option. I am not a big fan of Koyu/Doro/M60A style integrated plate for the reasons I have mentioned. But there are many requests. There will be a few colors available, no MOQ because demand from China is enough to cover MOQ. Same price as Polycarbonate.
2. Bottom case prototype done, pictures updated.
3. We will announce GB and raffle details 3/31/2019 6:50PM MST.
Man I can't wait for this board! Such beautiful one at that <3
Post by: kolyz on Mon, 25 March 2019, 09:34:24
Post by: Bhk1004 on Mon, 25 March 2019, 09:35:31
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 25 March 2019, 10:02:25
Will aluminum version still have 4.5 plate?
For GB simplicity, yes... the design will be the same.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 25 March 2019, 10:05:10
(https://i.imgur.com/wN4Dr9g.jpg)
Post by: Bhk1004 on Mon, 25 March 2019, 10:13:06
Post by: TheMnBN on Mon, 25 March 2019, 10:29:29
Will aluminum version still have 4.5 plate?
For GB simplicity, yes... the design will be the same.
It appears that the aluminium version would be against your original design principle but if there's significant demand for it then just roll with it I guess.
Anyways, I'm 100% in with the PC version with brass weight and badge (and hopefully win a cool custom color badge along the way) :thumb:
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 25 March 2019, 10:42:19
Will aluminum version still have 4.5 plate?
For GB simplicity, yes... the design will be the same.
It appears that the aluminium version would be against your original design principle but if there's significant demand for it then just roll with it I guess.
Anyways, I'm 100% in with the PC version with brass weight and badge (and hopefully win a cool custom color badge along the way) :thumb:
I agree with you completely. I think Rama's M60A and Koyu did a great job with integrated thick aluminum plates and that has attracted many thick plates fans. That said, there are certainly merits to thick plate design in aluminum, just not as good as thick plate in PC IMO.
Post by: courtcodes on Mon, 25 March 2019, 15:23:35
At first I didn't really like the badge, but you know what? It's an original touch. It's grown on me so much.
Excited for more pics!
Post by: Bhk1004 on Mon, 25 March 2019, 15:24:42
I'm so hyped for this board. I love the idea of thick polycarbonate, and the layout is perfect imo.
At first I didn't really like the badge, but you know what? It's an original touch. It's grown on me so much.
Excited for more pics!
Must be super psyched! First post! Welcome!
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 25 March 2019, 19:45:03
I'm so hyped for this board. I love the idea of thick polycarbonate, and the layout is perfect imo.
At first I didn't really like the badge, but you know what? It's an original touch. It's grown on me so much.
Excited for more pics!
Thanks for the support!
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 25 March 2019, 20:35:25
Will aluminum version still have 4.5 plate?
For GB simplicity, yes... the design will be the same.
It appears that the aluminium version would be against your original design principle but if there's significant demand for it then just roll with it I guess.
Anyways, I'm 100% in with the PC version with brass weight and badge (and hopefully win a cool custom color badge along the way) :thumb:
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I agree with you completely. I think Rama's M60A and Koyu did a great job with integrated thick aluminum plates and that has attracted many thick plates fans. That said, there are certainly merits to thick plate design in aluminum, just not as good as thick plate in PC IMO.
Wait what? I've been out of the loop for a few days, a possible alum. version of the Think 6.5... Nice! Tempting to because a thick alum integrated plate can make for a very nice typing experience for sure. Like my alum. Clueboard for example. It's a very stiff setup, but if you keep from bottoming out to hard it is one of the more solid feeling boards I have tried TBH. I got 78g V2 Zealios in it right now & they pair great with it feel wise & acoustically. I also got a sheet of sorbathane in the bottom of the case which gives it an even bassier & deep thock to the sound than it had stock. It's definitely one of more used boards & the thick integrated plate has a lot to do with that.
That said for the Think I'm still gonna stick to PC as that was the original ideal behind the case & I believe the PC version will feel & sound better than a alum. one. Not only that I think adding alum. versions to this GB is a bad ideal that will end up dragging it out. I can see why you would want to do it if there is enough interest from the community, but I would deal with this GB first then do another for the alum. version afterwards.
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 25 March 2019, 20:37:18
Will aluminum version still have 4.5 plate?
For GB simplicity, yes... the design will be the same.
It appears that the aluminium version would be against your original design principle but if there's significant demand for it then just roll with it I guess.
Anyways, I'm 100% in with the PC version with brass weight and badge (and hopefully win a cool custom color badge along the way) :thumb:
I agree with you completely. I think Rama's M60A and Koyu did a great job with integrated thick aluminum plates and that has attracted many thick plates fans. That said, there are certainly merits to thick plate design in aluminum, just not as good as thick plate in PC IMO.
Wait what? I've been out of the loop for a few days, a possible alum. version of the Think 6.5... Nice! Tempting too because a thick alum integrated plate can make for a very nice typing experience for sure. Like my alum. Clueboard for example. It's a very stiff setup, but if you keep from bottoming out to hard it is one of the more solid feeling boards I have tried TBH. I got 78g V2 Zealios in it right now & they pair great with it feel wise & acoustically. I also got a sheet of sorbathane in the bottom of the case which gives it an even bassier & deep thock to the sound than it had stock. It's definitely one of my more used boards & the thick integrated plate has a lot to do with that.
That said for the Think I'm still gonna stick to PC as that was the original ideal behind the case & I believe the PC version will feel & sound better than a alum. one. Not only that I think adding alum. versions to this GB is a bad ideal that will end up dragging it out. I can see why you would want to do it if there is enough interest from the community, but I would deal with this GB first then do another for the alum. version afterwards.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 25 March 2019, 21:36:15
(https://i.imgur.com/o630RJx.jpg)
We are making a few more prototypes to assess the scalability. Everything on track so far.
Post by: kolyz on Mon, 25 March 2019, 22:05:57
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 26 March 2019, 00:55:55
And by the way, Metropolis is going strong!
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Post by: voxkey on Tue, 26 March 2019, 07:27:37
A few updates: Think6.5 Smoked PC version and Aluminum version prototypes are both being made.
And by the way, Metropolis is going strong!
(Attachment Link)
This keeps getting better and better!
Post by: fromjuanm on Tue, 26 March 2019, 13:43:26
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 26 March 2019, 13:53:01
Any estimate on when the GB will be open?
We will announce the details of the GB and Raffle (for discounted boards and free accessories) on March 31, 6:50 PM MST.
GB should come very soon :)
Post by: kolyz on Tue, 26 March 2019, 14:30:52
Making some decent progress. The badges CNC almost done, awaiting polishing, anodization, and PVD surface treatments.does this mean that the brass badges will be available in both silver and gold colors?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wN4Dr9g.jpg)
Post by: voxkey on Tue, 26 March 2019, 15:55:36
Making some decent progress. The badges CNC almost done, awaiting polishing, anodization, and PVD surface treatments.does this mean that the brass badges will be available in both silver and gold colors?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wN4Dr9g.jpg)
Finalized details look to be coming on the 31st, but the silver badges are actually aluminum and will likely be anodized a few different colors. I think the brass badges will be available in a few different PVD coated colors as well.
The badge file will be open-sourced after the GB as well, so anyone should be able to 3D print new badges in any color they want pretty inexpensively.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 26 March 2019, 22:23:02
Making some decent progress. The badges CNC almost done, awaiting polishing, anodization, and PVD surface treatments.does this mean that the brass badges will be available in both silver and gold colors?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wN4Dr9g.jpg)
Hey bro, the brass PVD will only have certain colors. Do have a plan to make some anodized aluminum 6063 badges - will finalize the details soon!
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Wed, 27 March 2019, 00:33:11
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 27 March 2019, 01:57:24
is aluminum bottom poly top still an option or nah?
I decided to drop the idea of mixed material. A material science PhD student has informed me it might potentially cause problems in the long run.
The reason is that metal and plastic have different thermal expansion rates and other properties, it can cause minor size or shape differences when the keyboard is exposed to heat, sunlight, or water (moist).
It will not be noticeable for weight or badge as they are small, the larger the material the cumulative effect is larger, so if the top piece is 0.2mm wider than the bottom piece it will be quite noticeable and look bad.
Therefore, for this GB, it will be PC, aluminum, or full brass (raffle). If you are truly interested in this idea you might get both and mix them. I feel in most cases will not be a problem, but since no one has done it before I’d proceed with caution, especially making it as a GB option to encourage uses to try something that might not be ideal.
That said, I do believe it’s a good idea and I will personally try it out for a few months. If there are no issues I will report back and maybe future GB runners for other boards can safely use this combination.
And we are prototyping gf enhanced black PC now!
[attachimg=1]
Post by: oh_chesteroni on Wed, 27 March 2019, 02:10:33
is aluminum bottom poly top still an option or nah?
I decided to drop the idea of mixed material. A material science PhD student has informed me it might potentially cause problems in the long run.
The reason is that metal and plastic have different thermal expansion rates and other properties, it can cause minor size or shape differences when the keyboard is exposed to heat, sunlight, or water (moist).
It will not be noticeable for weight or badge as they are small, the larger the material the cumulative effect is larger, so if the top piece is 0.2mm wider than the bottom piece it will be quite noticeable and look bad.
Therefore, for this GB, it will be PC, aluminum, or full brass (raffle). If you are truly interested in this idea you might get both and mix them. I feel in most cases will not be a problem, but since no one has done it before I’d proceed with caution, especially making it as a GB option to encourage uses to try something that might not be ideal.
That said, I do believe it’s a good idea and I will personally try it out for a few months. If there are no issues I will report back and maybe future GB runners for other boards can safely use this combination.
And we are prototyping gf enhanced black PC now!
(Attachment Link)
The PhD student definitely made a valid point. Didn't think about that. Thank you for the detailed explanation.
Post by: voxkey on Wed, 27 March 2019, 08:46:08
Smoked PC :thumb:
Something tells me this will be a popular option.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 27 March 2019, 08:59:08
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Post by: ninjacore on Wed, 27 March 2019, 10:50:11
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 27 March 2019, 11:12:16
Weight looks really cool - nice job
Still needs to be polished and PVD'd :P
Post by: leexy on Wed, 27 March 2019, 12:01:33
Post by: ninjacore on Wed, 27 March 2019, 13:51:44
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 27 March 2019, 13:59:10
Any chance you could do a render with GMK Good Kid?: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96279.0;topicseen
For sure. I am excited about Good Kid as well. Curious how that one is doing and where it is.
Post by: pilotxj on Wed, 27 March 2019, 16:36:30
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 27 March 2019, 17:56:38
(https://i.imgur.com/VqrtgRY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NNROGmO.png)
Post by: noahf on Wed, 27 March 2019, 18:13:25
Post by: ninjacore on Wed, 27 March 2019, 18:53:53
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 27 March 2019, 20:27:09
what keycap set is that?? ^
Metropolis?
The colorway is metropolis, it’s my ad hoc render so a few legends are not correct
Post by: Tekniqs on Thu, 28 March 2019, 02:16:07
Post by: courtcodes on Thu, 28 March 2019, 06:06:56
Tempted to go clear for all that tasty lighting but smoked looks sooooo good.
Post by: HAYAN on Thu, 28 March 2019, 12:53:28
My payday is 10th of every month :rolleyes:
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 28 March 2019, 14:01:17
I wonder how the dark/smoked PC case influence the colour of the underglow LEDs.
Tempted to go clear for all that tasty lighting but smoked looks sooooo good.
Looking at the material itself it seems shine-through will be minimal. But we will know for sure soon as the prototype is being made.
Potter said he will possibly do stress tests on the prototypes (drop on the ground, etc....)
Post by: kolyz on Thu, 28 March 2019, 18:37:33
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 28 March 2019, 21:51:17
I'm torn between PC and aluminum now!
Haha! A good problem to have :P
Post by: wt5now on Thu, 28 March 2019, 22:54:22
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 28 March 2019, 23:15:41
Is there switch LED on PCB? Or can I solder 2x3x4 LED for each switch?
No in-switch LED. Only 3 LEDs, above the position of the badge.
4XRGB on ESC and 8 underglow SMD LEDs are default.
Post by: Marutks on Thu, 28 March 2019, 23:47:21
I'm torn between PC and aluminum now!
Isn't aluminum always better? I have never had PC keeb
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 29 March 2019, 01:49:19
Nothing is ever “always better”.I'm torn between PC and aluminum now!
Isn't aluminum always better? I have never had PC keeb
PC is great if you’re looking for a “bouncier” and softer typing feeling, sometimes preferable for tactile switches. Think the HHKB with its integrated plastic plate vs. the Realforce.
With an integrated alu plate, the typing will feel super solid and stable.
And then there’s the look of transparent PC vs. anodized alu.
It all depends on your preferences.
Post by: PikaJoyce on Fri, 29 March 2019, 01:55:02
I'm torn between PC and aluminum now!Why not get both? Problem solved!
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Fri, 29 March 2019, 08:32:34
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 29 March 2019, 09:46:04
Hi oldcat. I know it's a far out thing to predict, but how long do you estimate production to take?
Hey bro, based on Space65’s production progress so far (~450 sets), we are looking at 3-4 months turnaround time.
Post by: kolyz on Fri, 29 March 2019, 10:15:32
I know you mentioned in the past that the badge/ weight will be pvd brass and colored gold. Does this change now that you are offering alu as an option instead of PC?
Post by: xkhol on Fri, 29 March 2019, 12:46:28
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: Tekniqs on Fri, 29 March 2019, 15:28:52
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 29 March 2019, 19:41:37
What alu colors will be available?
I know you mentioned in the past that the badge/ weight will be pvd brass and colored gold. Does this change now that you are offering alu as an option instead of PC?
Hey there, PC will be offered. Brass is 20 units raffle.
Alu will also be offered, with black/silver/gray/midnight(navy) blue, possibly Tiffany and other colors still in the color matching process.
Post by: temp0321 on Fri, 29 March 2019, 21:34:43
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 30 March 2019, 00:05:17
(https://i.imgur.com/mi7ozUI.jpg)
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 30 March 2019, 00:35:25
(https://i.imgur.com/aYXl8WI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nXa1gnP.jpg)
Post by: Bhk1004 on Sat, 30 March 2019, 00:35:55
rose gold alu badgeShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/mi7ozUI.jpg)
Imagine with olivia... o f me...
Post by: ian13 on Sat, 30 March 2019, 01:50:09
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 30 March 2019, 02:11:42
Oof! Love that midnight blue badge! Will that be the same colorway for the alu version?
All those new colors will be available for Alu version. Plus black/gray/silver/red/Tiffany
Yes I agree the midnight blue is so good
Post by: ian13 on Sat, 30 March 2019, 07:21:50
Oof! Love that midnight blue badge! Will that be the same colorway for the alu version?
All those new colors will be available for Alu version. Plus black/gray/silver/red/Tiffany
Yes I agree the midnight blue is so good
Damn! That's a really nice colorway! I was pretty much decided to get the pc version until I saw that blue :eek:
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 30 March 2019, 10:48:01
Oof! Love that midnight blue badge! Will that be the same colorway for the alu version?
All those new colors will be available for Alu version. Plus black/gray/silver/red/Tiffany
Yes I agree the midnight blue is so good
Damn! That's a really nice colorway! I was pretty much decided to get the pc version until I saw that blue :eek:
the midnight blue can work with Mizu and Metropolis pretty well
Post by: Starius on Sat, 30 March 2019, 11:12:07
Oof! Love that midnight blue badge! Will that be the same colorway for the alu version?
All those new colors will be available for Alu version. Plus black/gray/silver/red/Tiffany
Yes I agree the midnight blue is so good
Damn! That's a really nice colorway! I was pretty much decided to get the pc version until I saw that blue :eek:
the midnight blue can work with Mizu and Metropolis pretty well
I'm thinking DSA Season of the Witch, too.
Post by: BryceAZ on Sat, 30 March 2019, 12:54:54
Thx!
Post by: Bhk1004 on Sat, 30 March 2019, 12:57:58
I've got GMK Green Screen caps coming next month and I'm looking forward to adding them to one of the aluminum cases. Wondering if Black, Grey, or Silver will be the best match. Leaning towards grey but I'll have to wait and see more pics if possible. Was the price of the aluminum cases mentioned? Didn't see it in my browsing of this thread.
Thx!
Same as PC.
Post by: TuCZnak on Sat, 30 March 2019, 13:03:04
I've got GMK Green Screen caps coming next month
Sorry for OT, but is that a thing? I know of SA Green Screen and GMK Terminal, can't find anything about GMK Green Screen...
Post by: BryceAZ on Sat, 30 March 2019, 13:12:54
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 30 March 2019, 14:09:35
My bad, I'm referring to the massdrop x admgc SA Green Screen Keycap Set. Just mistyped in my post.
Man I love that set! Has it coming too!
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 30 March 2019, 19:18:52
I've got GMK Green Screen caps coming next month and I'm looking forward to adding them to one of the aluminum cases. Wondering if Black, Grey, or Silver will be the best match. Leaning towards grey but I'll have to wait and see more pics if possible. Was the price of the aluminum cases mentioned? Didn't see it in my browsing of this thread.
Thx!
Aluminum price will be 299.98, including alu case, PVD brass badge and weight, pcb, and accessories.
So far we are planning for 9 colors for aluminum: midnight blue, dark green, neon green, tiffany, rose gold, black, gray, silver, red.
For the color I will confirm with Potter before releasing the details tomorrow evening.
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 30 March 2019, 19:19:38
(https://i.imgur.com/NYZuKGM.png)
Post by: eyedrop on Sat, 30 March 2019, 21:42:11
I always like it when a maker personalized certain number of boards.
How about numbering the first 65 of the boards you sell? :cool:
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 30 March 2019, 21:48:15
(https://i.imgur.com/dC9c1lv.jpg)
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 30 March 2019, 21:49:20
Not that you need any more hype....
I always like it when a maker personalized certain number of boards.
How about numbering the first 65 of the boards you sell? :cool:
Good idea. Thanks!!
Let me talk to Potter about this!
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Sun, 31 March 2019, 03:29:56
Wish it had gaps between the arrows and right mods; same for the PgUp/PgDn keys. An E7-like 65% layout would be really hard for me to pass up. Good luck with the group buy. :thumb:
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 31 March 2019, 10:08:16
I like this board and layout because it reminds me of the E7. Pretty much a 67%, no?
Wish it had gaps between the arrows and right mods; same for the PgUp/PgDn keys. An E7-like 65% layout would be really hard for me to pass up. Good luck with the group buy. :thumb:
Yes, this is basically a 67-key layout (4 layouts available), minus the 2 keys we have the compact 660 layout.
Thanks and E7 was really good!
Post by: PixelBio on Sun, 31 March 2019, 15:48:13
Is this going to be a kit or a built keyboard?
Post by: Furikurichemy on Sun, 31 March 2019, 15:51:32
Sorry, I'm still getting used to GB and everything.
Is this going to be a kit or a built keyboard?
It will be a kit. The Hotswap option doesn't require soldering though.
Post by: Bhk1004 on Sun, 31 March 2019, 17:05:59
Sorry, I'm still getting used to GB and everything.
Is this going to be a kit or a built keyboard?
Kit. If you are new to this you still need 3 things. Cable to connect to whatever you will use it to. Switches and key caps.
Post by: eyedrop on Sun, 31 March 2019, 17:08:39
Sent from my PH-1 using Tapatalk
Post by: Bhk1004 on Sun, 31 March 2019, 18:12:36
Don't forget stabilizer.
Sent from my PH-1 using Tapatalk
:thumb:
Post by: noahf on Sun, 31 March 2019, 19:52:55
Post by: Bhk1004 on Sun, 31 March 2019, 20:11:57
did i miss this announcement?
Not yet
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 31 March 2019, 20:50:02
1. Full Brass Raffle (25 units): April 13 (Form Open:6:50:00AM -6:50:00PM PST, at 8:30 PST winners will be announced, if there are unpaid spots, FCFS based on form submission time of the rest of the entries)
2. PC/Alu GB: April 14 6:50:00PM PST - April 30 (GB stops early if production capacity is reached at a combined maximum of 650)
Layouts: all 4 layouts will be made.
Pricing:
PC/Aluminum, flat rate for all layouts: $299.98, excluding PayPal fees and shipping.
1. Full polycarbonate/Full aluminum top and bottom
2. One brass weight (gold pvd)
3. One brass badge (gold pvd, not included for #2 or #3 layout)
4. One PCB (white-yellow colorway)
5. Screws, rubber feet, SIP sockets, LEDs, and box.
PC color choices: frost clear (regular PC), frost black (glass fiber-enhanced PC)
Aluminum color choices: midnight blue, dark green, gray, tiffany blue, rose gold
Possible add-ons:
Extra PCB (50), aluminum badge (varies based on qty), additional PVD color brass weight+badge (50)
Giveaway Raffle:
Eligibility:
1. follow @graystudio01 and @oldcat87 on Instagram
2. payment is made before the payment deadline (4/30)
Rules:
For every 50 units, there will be a raffle. Some details below:
1. Discount sale raffle: 3 randomly selected winners out of ALL orders will receive a $49.98 refund.
2. First 50 orders will be entered into a drawing of 1 winner of 3 anodized aluminum badges.
3. First 100 orders (first 50 still eligible) will be entered into a drawing of 3 winners of 1 rose gold PVD brass weight.
4. First 150 orders (first 100 still eligible, same applies below) will be entered into a drawing of 3 winners of 1 rose gold PVD brass badge.
5. First 200 orders (first 150 still eligible, same applies below) will be entered into a drawing of 3 winners of 1 aluminum badge.
6. If we reach more than 200 orders, more raffles will open, which we will announce later.
8. If you bought extra addon and are a winner of a certain raffle, a partial refund will be issued to you.
9. Raffle for PC and Aluminum are combined. Brass is added to the whole pool but only eligible for the first overall discount sale raffle.
Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 31 March 2019, 20:56:53
did i miss this announcement?
Hey I think Google may have got it wrong or something. I am not very good with timezone, only aware that AZ time zone never changes. MST is 6:56PM right now?
Post by: tunadesu on Sun, 31 March 2019, 21:05:35
Post by: DetectiveNio on Sun, 31 March 2019, 21:10:21
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Sun, 31 March 2019, 21:12:32
Post by: noahf on Sun, 31 March 2019, 21:27:29
did i miss this announcement?
Hey I think Google may have got it wrong or something. I am not very good with timezone, only aware that AZ time zone never changes. MST is 6:56PM right now?
im in the west cost and it says MST was an hour later than we currently our. so it was posted at 7:50 MST according to the google (6:50 PST)
Post by: kolyz on Sun, 31 March 2019, 21:56:38
Post by: Kokaloo on Sun, 31 March 2019, 21:59:56
Post by: BlankeyGotCaps on Sun, 31 March 2019, 22:14:11
Is top half Alu and bottom half PC a possible request? :DIt was possible but I believe Oldcat took the option away. Its untested and PC and alu expand / shrink differently and could cause problems. Needs lengthy testing to see if its ok to do which I also believe he said he was going to do for like 6 months or something and if all goes well it might be a thing in the future.
Post by: taropaste on Sun, 31 March 2019, 22:19:36
did i miss this announcement?
Hey I think Google may have got it wrong or something. I am not very good with timezone, only aware that AZ time zone never changes. MST is 6:56PM right now?
im in the west cost and it says MST was an hour later than we currently our. so it was posted at 7:50 MST according to the google (6:50 PST)
If you're PDT (daylight savings) then it's the same as MST. PST (standard) is one hour behind MST. I had to figure it out too.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 31 March 2019, 22:26:07
how do you install the leds that are next to the badge?
We will provide the hotswap SIP sockets and LEDs. You will need to solder that 6 hotswap sockets, then just insert the 3 LEDs in (and out and change freely)!
All instructions will be provided.
Post by: wbandit on Mon, 01 April 2019, 00:46:21
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 01 April 2019, 00:49:52
sorry for the dumb question if it is (kinda new to this): what stabilizers should I get for this PCB/which ones do people recommend? I know that the GMK screw-in stabs are good in general, but can I get those for this PCB? thanks in advance!
Yes, GMK screw-in PCB mount stabs are good. If you are in US, consider buying from Novelkeys!
Post by: wbandit on Mon, 01 April 2019, 00:54:35
sorry for the dumb question if it is (kinda new to this): what stabilizers should I get for this PCB/which ones do people recommend? I know that the GMK screw-in stabs are good in general, but can I get those for this PCB? thanks in advance!
Yes, GMK screw-in PCB mount stabs are good. If you are in US, consider buying from Novelkeys!
awesome, thanks for the super fast reply! will definitely order from them. super stoked for this board!
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Mon, 01 April 2019, 00:55:33
Post by: arrowM on Mon, 01 April 2019, 01:10:18
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 01 April 2019, 01:16:06
Any chance you'll release a sound test video for the PC prototype? Would love to have a demonstration.
Yes the build stream is still on schedule to be live before the GB starts. I will share a link when it is available.
Post by: Bryan on Mon, 01 April 2019, 01:18:10
I noticed on renders and samples of the top case for the badge case vs non badged case there is a little divot or cut out that runs along the right side of the case and is non existent on the left side of the case.
I plan on getting the non badged case as that is my layout preference, but based on samples and renders it seems that the right side divot or cut out is not present (I prefer the right side of the case to be a straight edge as it looks more uniform to the left side of the case).
Is the cut out/right side straight on the non badged layout? If so YAY!
(https://i.imgur.com/P1UWf1y.jpg)
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 01 April 2019, 01:48:41
I have a question of detail before the GB opens up.
I noticed on renders and samples of the top case for the badge case vs non badged case there is a little divot or cut out that runs along the right side of the case and is non existent on the left side of the case.
I plan on getting the non badged case as that is my layout preference, but based on samples and renders it seems that the right side divot or cut out is not present (I prefer the right side of the case to be a straight edge as it looks more uniform to the left side of the case).
Is the cut out/right side straight on the non badged layout? If so YAY!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/P1UWf1y.jpg)
Hey bro, Non-badge version has no big chamfer (will have straight line)
[attachimg=1]
Post by: jaredddm on Mon, 01 April 2019, 02:26:40
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 01 April 2019, 02:37:15
can we get proto pics of that rose gold alu? gotta see how its gonna look before buying! ^^
Yes here you go. Here is the color sample for rose gold Alu version
[attachimg=1]
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Mon, 01 April 2019, 02:55:36
Post by: wellbeing44 on Mon, 01 April 2019, 04:01:14
Any chance of a filled in/no badge blocker?Or a PC badge that blends in, maybe?
Post by: HAYAN on Mon, 01 April 2019, 05:25:45
Sad X(
Post by: Marutks on Mon, 01 April 2019, 05:47:10
I want to use ANSI Enter with "compatible" plate because of split backspace.
Post by: kolyz on Mon, 01 April 2019, 08:12:06
No chance of having the sip sockets soldered at the manufacturing level? Opting for the hotswap pcb (for solderless build) and having to solder 6 sockets kind of defeats the purpose.how do you install the leds that are next to the badge?
We will provide the hotswap SIP sockets and LEDs. You will need to solder that 6 hotswap sockets, then just insert the 3 LEDs in (and out and change freely)!
All instructions will be provided.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 01 April 2019, 10:28:27
No chance of having the sip sockets soldered at the manufacturing level? Opting for the hotswap pcb (for solderless build) and having to solder 6 sockets kind of defeats the purpose.how do you install the leds that are next to the badge?
We will provide the hotswap SIP sockets and LEDs. You will need to solder that 6 hotswap sockets, then just insert the 3 LEDs in (and out and change freely)!
All instructions will be provided.
More costs. But I will make it happen for you buddy.
Thanks for the feedback. Let me know what else can be improved.
Post by: kolyz on Mon, 01 April 2019, 10:31:36
OOF! You're the best oldcat, thank you so much! <3 so excited to join this GB when it goes live.No chance of having the sip sockets soldered at the manufacturing level? Opting for the hotswap pcb (for solderless build) and having to solder 6 sockets kind of defeats the purpose.how do you install the leds that are next to the badge?
We will provide the hotswap SIP sockets and LEDs. You will need to solder that 6 hotswap sockets, then just insert the 3 LEDs in (and out and change freely)!
All instructions will be provided.
More costs. But I will make it happen for you buddy.
Thanks for the feedback. Let me know what else can be improved.
Post by: yur1orlov on Mon, 01 April 2019, 10:42:34
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 01 April 2019, 12:03:57
2 of the PC Prototypes will be shipped to me tomorrow or Wednesday. And potter will do a build stream and some typing tests on Sunday.
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[attachimg=2]
Black one has not been polished or crystal blasted
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Mon, 01 April 2019, 12:30:46
I'm sure we'll get examples of all before having to decide and pull the trigger.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 01 April 2019, 12:41:28
Is the black opaque after polishing/blasting? I kind of like the transparent clear :)
I'm sure we'll get examples of all before having to decide and pull the trigger.
Right we will take some high resolution pictures before GB starts. From what I can see it is not translucent. I will see for sure when I get them.
Post by: ninjacore on Mon, 01 April 2019, 12:57:38
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 01 April 2019, 15:49:51
Will airpotter be doing alu and pc builds? I'd love to hear the difference between the two.
Only PC build for the 6.5, he will also be building a Space65, which is top_mount alu board.
Post by: daviddoi on Mon, 01 April 2019, 17:08:36
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 01 April 2019, 19:04:01
very interested. cant wait for gb, i wish there was a white for this
Thanks! Unfortunately, there is no anodization white. Hope the frosted PC will satisfy your needs for a bright white-ish color!
Post by: joelmats3 on Tue, 02 April 2019, 01:02:45
Post by: Moridin on Tue, 02 April 2019, 01:27:13
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 02 April 2019, 13:33:40
Oldcat, when (approximately) will the GB start?
Hey Moridin, brass starts 4/13, PC/alu start at 4/14, details are here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99634.msg2742332#msg2742332
Post by: ninjacore on Tue, 02 April 2019, 14:21:21
Oldcat, when (approximately) will the GB start?
Hey Moridin, brass starts 4/13, PC/alu start at 4/14, details are here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99634.msg2742332#msg2742332
You should really just add this to the OP. I know it's linked there, but still...
Post by: Moridin on Tue, 02 April 2019, 15:36:04
Oldcat, when (approximately) will the GB start?
Hey Moridin, brass starts 4/13, PC/alu start at 4/14, details are here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99634.msg2742332#msg2742332
Thanks.
Post by: R0N1N on Tue, 02 April 2019, 16:39:35
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Post by: oldcat on Tue, 02 April 2019, 17:19:25
Oldcat, when (approximately) will the GB start?
Hey Moridin, brass starts 4/13, PC/alu start at 4/14, details are here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99634.msg2742332#msg2742332
You should really just add this to the OP. I know it's linked there, but still...
Thanks! Doing it now.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 02 April 2019, 17:20:53
Oldcat, which color case is the one in the gmk vaporwave render?
Sent from my SM-N950F using Tapatalk
It's the good old gray color.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 02 April 2019, 18:24:19
PC and Alu colors: mid 5 are alu, top/bottom PC:
(https://i.imgur.com/FkHuprU.jpg)
Badges and Weights:
(https://i.imgur.com/XWZu2QI.jpg)
Layouts:
(https://i.imgur.com/DtazioD.jpg)
Layout KLE:
(https://i.imgur.com/is4DGDk.png)
Post by: DetectiveNio on Tue, 02 April 2019, 20:43:10
Post by: Aznguyen316 on Tue, 02 April 2019, 20:50:58
https://kbdfans.cn/products/coming-soon-kbd67-mechanical-keyboard-diy-kit
Post by: Bahm78 on Tue, 02 April 2019, 21:16:30
Post by: ptiede on Tue, 02 April 2019, 21:29:22
wonder if something like the KBD67 hotswap pcb would fit into this case. Split backspace hotswap is what I would most prefer. Sorry if it's been mentioned, but does this have a left side usb port?
https://kbdfans.cn/products/coming-soon-kbd67-mechanical-keyboard-diy-kit
I think from the pcb renders on the first page it looks like a middle usb port.
Post by: kolyz on Tue, 02 April 2019, 22:02:28
Post by: ian13 on Tue, 02 April 2019, 23:53:16
I suppose this will be manufactured in China so I'm wondering if it is possible to use DHL Express Worldwide so that delivery will be straight to my door/house instead of picking it up from the local post and end-up paying more for the customs duties in my country. :(
Post by: ninjacore on Wed, 03 April 2019, 03:56:18
Split backspace hotswap is what I would most prefer.
Split backspace, hotswap, with badge would be nice. I’ll solder if I have to, but wouldn’t mind the time savings.
Post by: kolyz on Wed, 03 April 2019, 09:10:35
Yeah agreed!Split backspace hotswap is what I would most prefer.
Split backspace, hotswap, with badge would be nice. I’ll solder if I have to, but wouldn’t mind the time savings.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 03 April 2019, 11:27:23
will there be more color choices to the PC version Mr Oldcat? Dont have a PC board yet but that rose gold is sexy
Hey, only regular frost clear and gf-enhanced black PC
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 03 April 2019, 11:29:16
Is it too early to ask for the shipping method/shipping company that you will be using?
I suppose this will be manufactured in China so I'm wondering if it is possible to use DHL Express Worldwide so that delivery will be straight to my door/house instead of picking it up from the local post and end-up paying more for the customs duties in my country. :(
It's possible but I believe DHL Express is more expensive for you in terms of shipping (I could be wrong). SF is so far cheapest I believe. If in some countries DHL is cheaper yet provides a better service we can certainly consider that.
Post by: Zurg Eon on Wed, 03 April 2019, 11:36:54
A few questions:
- Did you decide on white-yellow PCB based on the votes in the survey? This option might have gotten the most votes simply because it's the first option and you can't skip that question if you don't have a preference.
- I am unsure if I'd rather have a PC or alu board. What would you recommend? Pros and cons?
- Will the alu version have the 4.5mm, perfectly-cut PC Plate? If not, then I guess I'll prefer a PC board for the sound properties as you've mentioned, even though I've never typed on an alu board.
- Will the Wavez keycaps only be available with the dark green alu board, or can we mix board colors and keycap options as we will? I think I'd rather have a black alu or frosted PC board with the Wavez keys.
- What switches will be available to choose from?
- How difficult would it be to modify the PCB to support Bluetooth, if it's even possible? I might get two boards if this is doable. I've never soldered before, but I believe I could get it done with instructions at least.
Sorry if any of the questions have already been answered.
Thanks!
Sincerely,
A noob.
Post by: Sic_Alpha on Wed, 03 April 2019, 11:57:27
This is looking great!
A few questions:
- Will the Wavez keycaps only be available with the dark green alu board, or can we mix board colors and keycap options as we will? I think I'd rather have a black alu or frosted PC board with the Wavez keys.
- What switches will be available to choose from?
- How difficult would it be to modify the PCB to support Bluetooth, if it's even possible? I might get two boards if this is doable. I've never soldered before, but I believe I could get it done with instructions at least.
GMK Wavez keycaps are currently live here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100063.0 They are not part of this GB
Switches will be purchased separately, not part of the GB; buy what you want to install onto it ;-)
Best bet for "modifying" it to use bluetooth would be something like this: http://handheldsci.com/kb/ Though I believe I remember oldcat saying a BT PCB may be an option in the future; I think I remember reading that.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 03 April 2019, 12:01:46
This is looking great!
A few questions:
- Did you decide on white-yellow PCB based on the votes in the survey? This option might have gotten the most votes simply because it's the first option and you can't skip that question if you don't have a preference.
Almost decided on that. I agree with you but that's a problem with all surveys I feel.
- I am unsure if I'd rather have a PC or alu board. What would you recommend? Pros and cons?
For starters, I think it's best to get an aluminum board. PC for people who are tired of the alu boards. Pros and Cons I think I have shared in the first post.
- Will the alu version have the 4.5mm, perfectly-cut PC Plate? If not, then I guess I'll prefer a PC board for the sound properties as you've mentioned, even though I've never typed on an alu board.
Alu will have the same design, 4.5mm integrated plate. It's similar to M60, if you have experience with it.
- Will the Wavez keycaps only be available with the dark green alu board, or can we mix board colors and keycap options as we will? I think I'd rather have a black alu or frosted PC board with the Wavez keys.
Keycaps are not included in any of the boards. We are only making board kits, but not keycaps. Wavez keycaps can be purchased in the Group Buy that is currently running.
- What switches will be available to choose from?
No switches.
- How difficult would it be to modify the PCB to support Bluetooth, if it's even possible? I might get two boards if this is doable. I've never soldered before, but I believe I could get it done with instructions at least.
Maybe in the future, after we are done with this GB. No plan for Bluetooth for this GB. The weight design needs to be redesigned to allow a battery slot.
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Sorry if any of the questions have already been answered.
Thanks!
No worries!
Sincerely,
A noob.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 03 April 2019, 12:02:47
This is looking great!
A few questions:
- Will the Wavez keycaps only be available with the dark green alu board, or can we mix board colors and keycap options as we will? I think I'd rather have a black alu or frosted PC board with the Wavez keys.
- What switches will be available to choose from?
- How difficult would it be to modify the PCB to support Bluetooth, if it's even possible? I might get two boards if this is doable. I've never soldered before, but I believe I could get it done with instructions at least.
GMK Wavez keycaps are currently live here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100063.0 They are not part of this GB
Switches will be purchased separately, not part of the GB; buy what you want to install onto it ;-)
Best bet for "modifying" it to use bluetooth would be something like this: http://handheldsci.com/kb/ Though I believe I remember oldcat saying a BT PCB may be an option in the future; I think I remember reading that.
Thanks so much brother!
Post by: kema on Wed, 03 April 2019, 12:12:57
Sharing this here! This is the first keyboard group buy I've ever been really interested in.
Post by: Zurg Eon on Wed, 03 April 2019, 12:20:47
Looking forward to assembling this! ;D
Post by: Bhk1004 on Wed, 03 April 2019, 12:24:29
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Sharing this here! This is the first keyboard group buy I've ever been really interested in.
Looks great! Hype is real! Ahhhhhh take my money!
Post by: mrboli on Wed, 03 April 2019, 12:32:15
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 03 April 2019, 13:02:56
Is the PCB going to have any LED's for the polycarb, or can you add any? (Sorry not too familiar with options here).
Thanks for the question! I will make a graphic today that will hopefully include all the features of the boards, including the 3 light sources.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 03 April 2019, 13:03:16
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Sharing this here! This is the first keyboard group buy I've ever been really interested in.
Thanks so much!!
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 03 April 2019, 16:47:51
Thanks for the reply! I figured keycaps and switches weren't included, but wasn't sure. Was planning on jumping on the Wavez GB anyways.
Looking forward to assembling this! ;D
Thanks! Typically custom boards do not come with those, they can be more expensive than the board!
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 03 April 2019, 17:58:05
Is the PCB going to have any LED's for the polycarb, or can you add any? (Sorry not too familiar with options here).
Here you go, a graphic I just made:
(https://i.imgur.com/LqNNTws.jpg)
Post by: Bryan on Wed, 03 April 2019, 18:19:54
The more SMD underglow led's per row would fill the uneven gaps of light better. Still looking forward to joining but I just wonder how 8 SMD LED would look with the regular PC board.
Post by: Hermanchan93 on Wed, 03 April 2019, 18:25:46
Post by: Starius on Wed, 03 April 2019, 18:40:02
Don't expect it to happen here, but just thought that would be visually interesting on a board like this.
Post by: kolyz on Wed, 03 April 2019, 19:19:21
This is amazing oldcat! thanks for posting this :)Is the PCB going to have any LED's for the polycarb, or can you add any? (Sorry not too familiar with options here).
Here you go, a graphic I just made:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9VvovPM.jpg)
Post by: MCsOrangeJuice on Wed, 03 April 2019, 20:22:36
I am pretty new to mechanical keyboards and have never built a custom, but I love the look of this case and plan to join the GB. I was reading that if some switches are mounted “north facing”, cherry profile keycaps can have issues bottoming out on some rows. Will the hotswap PCB in this kit have compatibility issues with south facing switches and GMK keycaps? It seems unlikely since GMK are so popular and the board has been shown with GMK renders, but I couldn’t find a clear answer elsewhere. Thanks for your time!
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 03 April 2019, 21:06:54
Hi Everyone,
I am pretty new to mechanical keyboards and have never built a custom, but I love the look of this case and plan to join the GB. I was reading that if some switches are mounted “north facing”, cherry profile keycaps can have issues bottoming out on some rows. Will the hotswap PCB in this kit have compatibility issues with south facing switches and GMK keycaps? It seems unlikely since GMK are so popular and the board has been shown with GMK renders, but I couldn’t find a clear answer elsewhere. Thanks for your time!
The switches are south facing with this board. It was considered from the get-go. Thanks!
Post by: ian13 on Wed, 03 April 2019, 23:40:59
Is it too early to ask for the shipping method/shipping company that you will be using?
I suppose this will be manufactured in China so I'm wondering if it is possible to use DHL Express Worldwide so that delivery will be straight to my door/house instead of picking it up from the local post and end-up paying more for the customs duties in my country. :(
It's possible but I believe DHL Express is more expensive for you in terms of shipping (I could be wrong). SF is so far cheapest I believe. If in some countries DHL is cheaper yet provides a better service we can certainly consider that.
I agree that SF is cheaper but I would rather pay more than wait for a very (and I mean very) long notification from our customs that I have a package, which I then need to pick up myself at the local post office and pay the hefty customs duties. Sometimes it's actually cheaper to opt for DHL express worldwide shipping than course the package through customs and then local post. Sad, but it's true. :(
I hope we can sort this out in my transaction when the GB starts. Wouldn't want to miss out on this nice board. :thumb:
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 03 April 2019, 23:46:53
Is it too early to ask for the shipping method/shipping company that you will be using?
I suppose this will be manufactured in China so I'm wondering if it is possible to use DHL Express Worldwide so that delivery will be straight to my door/house instead of picking it up from the local post and end-up paying more for the customs duties in my country. :(
It's possible but I believe DHL Express is more expensive for you in terms of shipping (I could be wrong). SF is so far cheapest I believe. If in some countries DHL is cheaper yet provides a better service we can certainly consider that.
I agree that SF is cheaper but I would rather pay more than wait for a very (and I mean very) long notification from our customs that I have a package, which I then need to pick up myself at the local post office and pay the hefty customs duties. Sometimes it's actually cheaper to opt for DHL express worldwide shipping than course the package through customs and then local post. Sad, but it's true. :(
I hope we can sort this out in my transaction when the GB starts. Wouldn't want to miss out on this nice board. :thumb:
Curious which countries are you hailing from?
SF Express seems very good in US.
Maybe for some countries, we can do DHL. Or, maybe an option in the GB form?
Post by: ian13 on Thu, 04 April 2019, 00:48:53
Is it too early to ask for the shipping method/shipping company that you will be using?
I suppose this will be manufactured in China so I'm wondering if it is possible to use DHL Express Worldwide so that delivery will be straight to my door/house instead of picking it up from the local post and end-up paying more for the customs duties in my country. :(
It's possible but I believe DHL Express is more expensive for you in terms of shipping (I could be wrong). SF is so far cheapest I believe. If in some countries DHL is cheaper yet provides a better service we can certainly consider that.
I agree that SF is cheaper but I would rather pay more than wait for a very (and I mean very) long notification from our customs that I have a package, which I then need to pick up myself at the local post office and pay the hefty customs duties. Sometimes it's actually cheaper to opt for DHL express worldwide shipping than course the package through customs and then local post. Sad, but it's true. :(
I hope we can sort this out in my transaction when the GB starts. Wouldn't want to miss out on this nice board. :thumb:
Curious which countries are you hailing from?
SF Express seems very good in US.
Maybe for some countries, we can do DHL. Or, maybe an option in the GB form?
I'm from southeast asia, which is actually near China (lol) but would still opt for DHL express worldwide as I had a better experience with them delivering my goods directly to where I live. :))
If SF is the only option for me, I would rather route the package to my forwarder in the US and then have it shipped directly to my country, which I would not like to do since I have to pay for 2 shipments.
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Thu, 04 April 2019, 00:51:32
Post by: blizzara01 on Thu, 04 April 2019, 01:26:07
Post by: calveeen on Thu, 04 April 2019, 01:27:59
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Thu, 04 April 2019, 01:40:43
Anyone knows if hotswap pcbs give rise to issues with keycap alignment? Or will the switches fit straight without issue such that the keycaps are likewise all straight!
That's more an issue with the alignment of the holes on the pcb. You can always bend your switches slightly to get a better fit.
Post by: ninjacore on Thu, 04 April 2019, 02:03:44
1) Will split backspace, with badge, and hotswap definitely not be an option?
2) What is the strip of color at the top of the aluminum boards in that latest info-graphic?
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 04 April 2019, 09:25:12
FWIW I had a not so great experience with SF Express too. Maybe it was just the lowest tier and their are better/faster ones. But the GSUS switches took a solid 30 days to get to me.
I think that’s a lower tier. I have numerous packages sent via SF Express to US it’s about 5 days typically.
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 04 April 2019, 09:27:43
Is it too early to ask for the shipping method/shipping company that you will be using?
I suppose this will be manufactured in China so I'm wondering if it is possible to use DHL Express Worldwide so that delivery will be straight to my door/house instead of picking it up from the local post and end-up paying more for the customs duties in my country. :(
It's possible but I believe DHL Express is more expensive for you in terms of shipping (I could be wrong). SF is so far cheapest I believe. If in some countries DHL is cheaper yet provides a better service we can certainly consider that.
I agree that SF is cheaper but I would rather pay more than wait for a very (and I mean very) long notification from our customs that I have a package, which I then need to pick up myself at the local post office and pay the hefty customs duties. Sometimes it's actually cheaper to opt for DHL express worldwide shipping than course the package through customs and then local post. Sad, but it's true. :(
I hope we can sort this out in my transaction when the GB starts. Wouldn't want to miss out on this nice board. :thumb:
Curious which countries are you hailing from?
SF Express seems very good in US.
Maybe for some countries, we can do DHL. Or, maybe an option in the GB form?
I'm from southeast asia, which is actually near China (lol) but would still opt for DHL express worldwide as I had a better experience with them delivering my goods directly to where I live. :))
If SF is the only option for me, I would rather route the package to my forwarder in the US and then have it shipped directly to my country, which I would not like to do since I have to pay for 2 shipments.
I see. I will talk to Potter. We should be able to provide a SF option and DHL option.
Will also check if DHL can match SF rate if we have enough orders.
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 04 April 2019, 09:30:21
@oldcat
1) Will split backspace, with badge, and hotswap definitely not be an option?
2) What is the strip of color at the top of the aluminum boards in that latest info-graphic?
1) sorry unfortunately not
2) left or top (in the picture), left is lighting reflection. It’s same color. Too is the diffuser under which there are 3 hotswap led slots
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 04 April 2019, 15:45:55
Anyone knows if hotswap pcbs give rise to issues with keycap alignment? Or will the switches fit straight without issue such that the keycaps are likewise all straight!
That's more an issue with the alignment of the holes on the pcb. You can always bend your switches slightly to get a better fit.
Yeah. Aligning the switch pins and should be ok. This is 4.5mm plate so there shouldn’t be an issue with keycap alignment
Post by: mrboli on Thu, 04 April 2019, 17:59:52
Here you go, a graphic I just made:
Thanks!
Btw, the diffuser for the alu case means that there will be non alu in the alu case?
Also for the alu version is the plate integrated alu?
Just to be super clear here, the PC plate is integrated into the top part of the case and not sandwich mounted or something like that, right?
How will this compare in terms of feel & sound to a PC + brass plate like 910, or Singa?
How does it compare to a classical polycarb/alu sandwhich mounted to an alu case?
Is the PCB just kept in place via the switches, or are there screws etc?
Are all PCB's (esp hotswap) going to have the RGB underglow?
Btw what is glass-enhanced fiberglass? Does it have any functional aspect to it and will RGB lighting show through?
Post by: voxkey on Thu, 04 April 2019, 20:08:54
Here you go, a graphic I just made:
Thanks!
Btw, the diffuser for the alu case means that there will be non alu in the alu case?
Also for the alu version is the plate integrated alu?
Just to be super clear here, the PC plate is integrated into the top part of the case and not sandwich mounted or something like that, right?
How will this compare in terms of feel & sound to a PC + brass plate like 910, or Singa?
How does it compare to a classical polycarb/alu sandwhich mounted to an alu case?
Is the PCB just kept in place via the switches, or are there screws etc?
Are all PCB's (esp hotswap) going to have the RGB underglow?
Btw what is glass-enhanced fiberglass? Does it have any functional aspect to it and will RGB lighting show through?
1) Yes, the diffuser in the aluminum case is not made of aluminum.
2) The plate in the aluminum Think6.5 is integrated, so similar to Rama M60-A and Koyu.
3) The PC Think6.5 also has an integrated plate, so no sandwich mounting. It's actually part of the top.
4) The consensus is that PC sounds pretty good, so more PC the better? :) It'll be too hard to tell until we get some typing tests on the prototype. I'm pretty excited to hear it! I know Oldcat has some nice switches ready to go.
5) Aluminum as a material tends to carry sound very well, and in our hobby, that usually means pings from the springs or leaf, which is why people feel that aluminum isn't the best choice when going for sound. Alu cases can be modified to sound better, but since PC is a more sound-absorbing material this isn't really necessary. The TL;DR is that when it comes to sound PC is good, aluminum not so much.
6) There will be screws that hold the PCB to the integrated plate on the hotswap version. I am not positive on the non-hotswap, but solder should do that job just fine like in other setups.
7) All PCBs will have underglow LEDs as well as 4XRGB Esc.
8) We're still not sure how much light will pass through the glass fiber-reinforced black polycarbonate. This will have to be tested once the prototypes are finished. It is pretty cool though. I don't think anyone else is making keyboards from this stuff. It's super, super strong!
Post by: TheMnBN on Thu, 04 April 2019, 20:21:36
8) We're still not sure how much light will pass through the glass fiber-reinforced black polycarbonate. This will have to be tested once the prototypes are finished. It is pretty cool though. I don't think anyone else is making keyboards from this stuff. It's super, super strong!
I'm waiting for photos/build stream of prototype to decide between the 2 PC versions. But it will be PC all the way for me. :thumb:
Post by: ian13 on Thu, 04 April 2019, 20:37:44
8) We're still not sure how much light will pass through the glass fiber-reinforced black polycarbonate. This will have to be tested once the prototypes are finished. It is pretty cool though. I don't think anyone else is making keyboards from this stuff. It's super, super strong!
I'm quite intrigued by how this fiberglass-enhanced black pc would sound as well! :thumb:
Post by: voxkey on Thu, 04 April 2019, 22:20:35
8) We're still not sure how much light will pass through the glass fiber-reinforced black polycarbonate. This will have to be tested once the prototypes are finished. It is pretty cool though. I don't think anyone else is making keyboards from this stuff. It's super, super strong!
I'm quite intrigued by how this fiberglass-enhanced black pc would sound as well! :thumb:
I think we all are. I think it’s look very unique and is pretty cool!
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 04 April 2019, 23:22:23
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Post by: courtcodes on Fri, 05 April 2019, 07:36:01
Post by: voxkey on Fri, 05 April 2019, 07:56:27
Oh, mannnn! I was so set on PC as I felt like you guys designed the board with it in mind, but knowing the alu version will have a diffuser, I'm starting to sway!
You could always go for the black glass fiber-reinforced PC. That also has a diffuser, just not shown in the prototype. :)
Post by: gableh on Fri, 05 April 2019, 10:52:12
Regarding the 4xRGB mod, is it possible to add on more of it? I'd really like to have one in the top right corner as well if its possible.
Post by: Aevyn on Fri, 05 April 2019, 14:36:22
Post by: Bhk1004 on Fri, 05 April 2019, 14:38:41
Will split backspace + badge be an option? (Don't really care about hotswap as much).
Yes it was the last layout offered and seems to have become very popular.
Post by: blizzara01 on Fri, 05 April 2019, 16:57:04
Post by: Darknight00z on Fri, 05 April 2019, 17:10:09
Secondly how heavy is the PC case with weight and plate?
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 05 April 2019, 19:57:26
Does the pcb have pin outs to add led stips underneath? I dont think 8 is enough personally.
No. I will test and make a decision on the number of LEDs later. Looks quite good based on some pictures I received.
Secondly how heavy is the PC case with weight and plate?
I am not quite sure. I'd estimate a fully assembled board to be around 1kg. Can test it when I receive the prototypes next week.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 05 April 2019, 19:58:01
Is the 4x RGB will just throw random color or you can change it to other modes (breathing, static, etc...)?
You can change modes as per qmk.
Post by: Bryan on Fri, 05 April 2019, 20:31:36
Post by: voxkey on Fri, 05 April 2019, 21:09:07
Post by: blizzara01 on Fri, 05 April 2019, 22:49:57
That's nice. Is it separate though to the underglow? Or they will always have the same mode. Basically I just want the 4x RGB on and off the underglow.Is the 4x RGB will just throw random color or you can change it to other modes (breathing, static, etc...)?
You can change modes as per qmk.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 05 April 2019, 23:01:45
The Alu options are looking great! Thinking about going in on Wavez or Olivia to match the keysets. Decisions....
Thanks Voxkey. I love the Wavez colorway the most.
Also, I'd note that for PC, do not force the screw in or overtighten, it might cause the screw threads to strip. I have stripped one of my PC Canoe screws as I overtightened one of the screws.
Upon my request, Potter just did some stress tests on Think6.5, on one clear frosted PC prototype. Apparently if you use extra force to tighten when the screw already reaches the end, 3 times of overtightening is all you need to strip the thread. Tried both PC/nylon screws and YFS ti-plated screws, effects are similar.
This is a pretty common problem with PC boards. Therefore, do exercise caution before you join this GB (or other PC boards that use screws to fixate the plate or case), and handle with care regarding the screws if you do get one.
We have not tested the black PC one yet. Potter said black GF-reinforced PC should not suffer from this issue as much as regular PC.
Question for material science experts:
If I put a washer in, and/or if the threaded hole is longer than the screw length, will this perhaps address the potential PC thread stripping issue?
Something I will test if no one has experimented.
Post by: yohannes on Fri, 05 April 2019, 23:03:10
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 05 April 2019, 23:03:32
That's nice. Is it separate though to the underglow? Or they will always have the same mode. Basically I just want the 4x RGB on and off the underglow.Is the 4x RGB will just throw random color or you can change it to other modes (breathing, static, etc...)?
You can change modes as per qmk.
I believe it is part of the underglow. Therefore, you cannot disable underglow while having 4XRGB on.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 05 April 2019, 23:05:26
I didnt know/realize there’s diffuser in the alu. How will it look like? Is there any pic posted?
Please zoom in on this picture, you will at most have 3 different LED colors on that light strip (or same color). What is shown is the same color under that diffuser.
(https://i.imgur.com/9VvovPM.jpg)
Post by: yohannes on Sat, 06 April 2019, 04:11:15
I didnt know/realize there’s diffuser in the alu. How will it look like? Is there any pic posted?
Please zoom in on this picture, you will at most have 3 different LED colors on that light strip (or same color). What is shown is the same color under that diffuser.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9VvovPM.jpg)
Oh I see what you meant. So there's a strip of diffuser just above the badge for the alu right? (see the arrow below)
(https://i.imgur.com/8hWfJdU.jpg)
Post by: yohannes on Sat, 06 April 2019, 04:36:09
BR,
Yohannes
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 06 April 2019, 06:48:22
I didnt know/realize there’s diffuser in the alu. How will it look like? Is there any pic posted?
Please zoom in on this picture, you will at most have 3 different LED colors on that light strip (or same color). What is shown is the same color under that diffuser.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9VvovPM.jpg)
Oh I see what you meant. So there's a strip of diffuser just above the badge for the alu right? (see the arrow below)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8hWfJdU.jpg)
For Alu, brass, and black pc, there is that light strip
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 06 April 2019, 06:49:47
Oldcat, I want to clarify that in any material; alu, brass, or pc, they each will have "esc 4xrgb leds", "3 leds + light diffuser", and "8 underglow smd leds"? Because in the diagram you shared, for example, only the "esc 4xrgb leds" is present in the black pcb but not in others. Thanks for the clarification.
BR,
Yohannes
You are correct. These are same for all specs. Only thing is that Regular pc is clear frost and does not require the diffuser.
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 06 April 2019, 22:09:49
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99634.msg2742332#msg2742332
(https://i.imgur.com/LqNNTws.jpg)
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Sat, 06 April 2019, 22:40:24
Are the color sample badges renders or real. Is that the dark green color badge the same color as that waves green case ? For the waves green case, could you do a render with nautilus nightmares ?
Trying to decide between the aluminum or polycarbonate .
I don’t own a polycarbonate board yet, but I really do like that green !!
Post by: blizzara01 on Sat, 06 April 2019, 22:53:55
Post by: Jaycob_Creighton on Sat, 06 April 2019, 23:02:54
In regards to the stripping question you asked, neither a longer threaded hole or a standard washer will stop you from stripping the threads on the inside of the hole. A locking washer may help a bit to maintain downward force without stripping the threads. I've been a professional CNC Machinist for 8 years and have stripped lots of threads.The Alu options are looking great! Thinking about going in on Wavez or Olivia to match the keysets. Decisions....
Thanks Voxkey. I love the Wavez colorway the most.
Also, I'd note that for PC, do not force the screw in or overtighten, it might cause the screw threads to strip. I have stripped one of my PC Canoe screws as I overtightened one of the screws.
Upon my request, Potter just did some stress tests on Think6.5, on one clear frosted PC prototype. Apparently if you use extra force to tighten when the screw already reaches the end, 3 times of overtightening is all you need to strip the thread. Tried both PC/nylon screws and YFS ti-plated screws, effects are similar.
This is a pretty common problem with PC boards. Therefore, do exercise caution before you join this GB (or other PC boards that use screws to fixate the plate or case), and handle with care regarding the screws if you do get one.
We have not tested the black PC one yet. Potter said black GF-reinforced PC should not suffer from this issue as much as regular PC.
Question for material science experts:
If I put a washer in, and/or if the threaded hole is longer than the screw length, will this perhaps address the potential PC thread stripping issue?
Something I will test if no one has experimented.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalk
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 07 April 2019, 00:37:07
Is the frosted black pc case translucent or opaque ?
Are the color sample badges renders or real. Is that the dark green color badge the same color as that waves green case ? For the waves green case, could you do a render with nautilus nightmares ?
Trying to decide between the aluminum or polycarbonate .
I don’t own a polycarbonate board yet, but I really do like that green !!
Hey, see the answers here:
Is the frosted black pc case translucent or opaque ?
Opaque
We obtained color codes for Wavez' dark green from Enjoy, and talked to the ano factory to open the new ano color (Wavez green), it's not a perfect match as in the keycap due to different material but close (see picture below). For rose gold we used the color code Olivia sent to me to do color matching. Very close too.
See the actual color samples.
(https://i.imgur.com/08hXDwd.jpg)
I will try to do nautilus nightmare with the Wavez green special colorway. I love nautilus nightmare too!
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 07 April 2019, 00:37:26
In regards to the stripping question you asked, neither a longer threaded hole or a standard washer will stop you from stripping the threads on the inside of the hole. A locking washer may help a bit to maintain downward force without stripping the threads. I've been a professional CNC Machinist for 8 years and have stripped lots of threads.The Alu options are looking great! Thinking about going in on Wavez or Olivia to match the keysets. Decisions....
Thanks Voxkey. I love the Wavez colorway the most.
Also, I'd note that for PC, do not force the screw in or overtighten, it might cause the screw threads to strip. I have stripped one of my PC Canoe screws as I overtightened one of the screws.
Upon my request, Potter just did some stress tests on Think6.5, on one clear frosted PC prototype. Apparently if you use extra force to tighten when the screw already reaches the end, 3 times of overtightening is all you need to strip the thread. Tried both PC/nylon screws and YFS ti-plated screws, effects are similar.
This is a pretty common problem with PC boards. Therefore, do exercise caution before you join this GB (or other PC boards that use screws to fixate the plate or case), and handle with care regarding the screws if you do get one.
We have not tested the black PC one yet. Potter said black GF-reinforced PC should not suffer from this issue as much as regular PC.
Question for material science experts:
If I put a washer in, and/or if the threaded hole is longer than the screw length, will this perhaps address the potential PC thread stripping issue?
Something I will test if no one has experimented.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalk
Thanks much, brother!
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 07 April 2019, 00:40:44
Will there be a RGB(in the badge position) also in non-badge version?
Hello that place is 3 LEDs (you can use different color ones) hotswap sip sockets, they are not RGB. They are separately controlled via switch lights than underglow.
Those lights will not look great in a non-badge version I believe, so it almost doesn't matter if they are there or not.
Post by: Jaycob_Creighton on Sun, 07 April 2019, 01:00:17
<3In regards to the stripping question you asked, neither a longer threaded hole or a standard washer will stop you from stripping the threads on the inside of the hole. A locking washer may help a bit to maintain downward force without stripping the threads. I've been a professional CNC Machinist for 8 years and have stripped lots of threads.The Alu options are looking great! Thinking about going in on Wavez or Olivia to match the keysets. Decisions....
Thanks Voxkey. I love the Wavez colorway the most.
Also, I'd note that for PC, do not force the screw in or overtighten, it might cause the screw threads to strip. I have stripped one of my PC Canoe screws as I overtightened one of the screws.
Upon my request, Potter just did some stress tests on Think6.5, on one clear frosted PC prototype. Apparently if you use extra force to tighten when the screw already reaches the end, 3 times of overtightening is all you need to strip the thread. Tried both PC/nylon screws and YFS ti-plated screws, effects are similar.
This is a pretty common problem with PC boards. Therefore, do exercise caution before you join this GB (or other PC boards that use screws to fixate the plate or case), and handle with care regarding the screws if you do get one.
We have not tested the black PC one yet. Potter said black GF-reinforced PC should not suffer from this issue as much as regular PC.
Question for material science experts:
If I put a washer in, and/or if the threaded hole is longer than the screw length, will this perhaps address the potential PC thread stripping issue?
Something I will test if no one has experimented.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalk
Thanks much, brother!
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Post by: Jurka on Sun, 07 April 2019, 06:49:16
EDIT: Me dumb, thanks for clarifying that the plate is integrated.
Post by: ninjacore on Sun, 07 April 2019, 06:58:14
Is it known which 65% cases the PCB would fit? Because I might be interested in buying only the PCB ( EDIT: and the plate )...if it is possible ;D
Plate is integrated.
Post by: ninjacore on Sun, 07 April 2019, 06:59:20
Post by: prototype26 on Sun, 07 April 2019, 11:04:42
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 07 April 2019, 12:52:55
Does the pcb have pin outs to add led stips underneath? I dont think 8 is enough personally.
Secondly how heavy is the PC case with weight and plate?
Based on the build stream earlier today 8 rgb underglow seems to be quite enough! I will do more tests as I get them coming Monday/Tuesday
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Post by: oldcat on Sun, 07 April 2019, 12:54:21
What do you use for hotswap sockets? Kailh hotswap?
Yes Kaihua hotswap sockets are used for the hotswap pcb.
Post by: Bryan on Sun, 07 April 2019, 13:00:50
Post by: tryZEROg on Sun, 07 April 2019, 14:46:44
Where can we watch a replay or vod of the build stream?
I've been watching this thread like a hawk, was it known when/where the build stream was happening? Was really depending on watching this to try to make final decisions. Hoping we can watch it somewhere.
I'm new to all of this - Wavez and the THINK6.5 will be my first GBs. I really like the wavez green alu, but the PC has had me interested the whole time - but I have no real context for either. I want to use this for work on a mac, and gaming on a pc. I'm a slightly aggressive typist, work from home right now (so noise isn't currently an issue), but I imagine I'll be back in the office at some point, and don't want something too loud (of course switches will make the biggest difference here, prob going to get some tactiles and linears to try). The talk about the sound of a PC case/plate intrigued me, but there isn't all that much info out there to help compare, especially as someone new to the scene.
VOD link? Other thoughts or recommendations? Anything helps. I really appreciate it.
I'm super excited for this GB, thanks for all the hard work to everyone involved.
Post by: Bhk1004 on Sun, 07 April 2019, 14:48:07
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 07 April 2019, 17:56:43
Where can we watch a replay or vod of the build stream?
I've been watching this thread like a hawk, was it known when/where the build stream was happening? Was really depending on watching this to try to make final decisions. Hoping we can watch it somewhere.
I'm new to all of this - Wavez and the THINK6.5 will be my first GBs. I really like the wavez green alu, but the PC has had me interested the whole time - but I have no real context for either. I want to use this for work on a mac, and gaming on a pc. I'm a slightly aggressive typist, work from home right now (so noise isn't currently an issue), but I imagine I'll be back in the office at some point, and don't want something too loud (of course switches will make the biggest difference here, prob going to get some tactiles and linears to try). The talk about the sound of a PC case/plate intrigued me, but there isn't all that much info out there to help compare, especially as someone new to the scene.
VOD link? Other thoughts or recommendations? Anything helps. I really appreciate it.
I'm super excited for this GB, thanks for all the hard work to everyone involved.
Hey there, thanks for the enthusiasm! The stream is recorded, but not sure Douyu has not uploaded it yet. The link is here once released: https://www.douyu.com/3561678
Suggestions to your situation: if you plan to use it in a quiet environment, I think the switch will matter way more than the material, some silent switches should address your concerns. One thing I would note, is that if you are new to the game, I would always suggest trying the aluminum first. PC is new even to many of us, and there are fewer best practices in maintaining the board, etc. But I am sure PC board will be more common in the future. For me personally, what excites me the most is the Wavez Green alu (made the investment to get the Wavez color ano) and the black PC.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 07 April 2019, 17:57:14
Where can we watch a replay or vod of the build stream?
Link is here: https://www.douyu.com/3561678
But appears the VOD has not been uploaded yet.
Post by: joelmats3 on Sun, 07 April 2019, 18:31:57
Post by: voxkey on Sun, 07 April 2019, 19:48:35
👌
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 07 April 2019, 20:03:16
Sorry if this has been said but for the alu version, is there a diffuser between the top and bottom part of the case or how will the underglow show? I'm still new to this.
For Alu/black PC, the underglow will not work. The Light sources will be 4XRGB on ESC, and 3 LEDs on the light strip diffuser
Post by: Bjergesen on Sun, 07 April 2019, 20:05:39
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 07 April 2019, 20:14:35
How Pink is the color of the rose gold aluminum case gonna be. As a guy who's not afraid of pink I'm not that worried but just wanted to ask how the pink to copper ratio was gonna be.
Here is the actual anodization color under sufficient sunlight.
(https://i.imgur.com/08hXDwd.jpg)
Post by: TuCZnak on Sun, 07 April 2019, 20:41:33
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 07 April 2019, 20:42:47
I don't think this has been asked, so... How does QMK support the two separate RGB "clusters"? Can you separate the ESC 4xRGB from the underglow 8xRGB or are they controlled together?
They are together. The 3 LEDs on the light diffuser strip are separately controlled.
Post by: ian13 on Sun, 07 April 2019, 21:50:17
Where can we watch a replay or vod of the build stream?
Link is here: https://www.douyu.com/3561678
But appears the VOD has not been uploaded yet.
But.. I'm too afraid to click any link on the VOD site... :'( :-X :eek:
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 08 April 2019, 00:33:11
Where can we watch a replay or vod of the build stream?
Link is here: https://www.douyu.com/3561678
But appears the VOD has not been uploaded yet.
But.. I'm too afraid to click any link on the VOD site... :'( :-X :eek:
Don’t click just yet. When it’s ready I will share the exact link
Post by: prototype26 on Mon, 08 April 2019, 03:18:24
Post by: ninjacore on Mon, 08 April 2019, 08:01:04
Out of curiosity, what made you go for integrated plate design for the aluminium? Before, you said if alu was going to be included it would either be top or gasket mount.
I vaguely remember it coming up when the decision was made to go with a plate of 4mm thickness. @oldcat can provide more information, I'm sure.
Post by: Marutks on Mon, 08 April 2019, 08:18:09
Post by: voxkey on Mon, 08 April 2019, 08:53:35
Is it possible to have ANSI layout with split backspace support? like rama koyu?
Yeah, just go for the compatible layout with or without the badge.
Post by: Marutks on Mon, 08 April 2019, 09:37:36
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/products/Zephyr_box_49c96b52-15ae-40c0-84a4-952cdf225330.jpg
no huge cutouts on plate
Post by: voxkey on Mon, 08 April 2019, 10:05:02
I would prefer ANSI enter and split backspace. like this plate:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/products/Zephyr_box_49c96b52-15ae-40c0-84a4-952cdf225330.jpg
no huge cutouts on plate
Totally understand. I use split backspace exclusively myself.
We’ve talked at length about it and came to the conclusion that with 4mm+ plate and soldering switches in, the large cutout around the enter key should have minimal affect on feel.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 08 April 2019, 10:05:36
Out of curiosity, what made you go for integrated plate design for the aluminium? Before, you said if alu was going to be included it would either be top or gasket mount.
There is a huge demand from China for aluminum so I made a decision to make it happen for those who want aluminum. Redesigning at this stage will make this GB too complicated. Plus people seem to be pretty happy with M60a, upcoming Koyu and Doro which are integrated thick plates.
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Mon, 08 April 2019, 21:08:08
Post by: Bhk1004 on Mon, 08 April 2019, 21:09:21
I wasn't able to catch the build stream, is there anywhere I can see it now?
Not up and potters comp broke. We will have new videos tomorrow or Wednesday. The prototype are landing in Arizona tomorrow.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 08 April 2019, 23:54:59
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Forgive the brass badge, not pvd’d yet
Post by: ian13 on Tue, 09 April 2019, 08:13:43
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Forgive the brass badge, not pvd’d yet
Oof! Serika is <3 Especially those novelties! :thumb:
Post by: Aznguyen316 on Tue, 09 April 2019, 11:02:21
If ordering the PC keeb w/ ANSI hotswap & badge, will the extra solder pcb still work with that integrated plate to utilize a split backspace?
edit*
Old cat answered:
Ansi will not allow split BS if you check the layout graph. The soldering pcb can be used for ansi for sure.
Post by: vicissitude on Tue, 09 April 2019, 11:44:42
Almost launch. :thumb:
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 09 April 2019, 12:10:20
I asked this over on the GB thread, but may be better posted here..
If ordering the PC keeb w/ ANSI hotswap & badge, will the extra solder pcb still work with that integrated plate to utilize a split backspace?
edit*
Old cat answered:
Ansi will not allow split BS if you check the layout graph. The soldering pcb can be used for ansi for sure.
Yeah the ANSI one will not allow split backspace.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 09 April 2019, 23:58:36
Post by: Bryan on Wed, 10 April 2019, 00:56:56
Upon using the prototype today, I have decided to increase from 8 to 14 underglow LEDs (frost clear), 2 rows. Thanks all for the feedback.
Aww Yes! Now I'm totally on board with this board!
Post by: wellbeing44 on Wed, 10 April 2019, 02:52:02
Upon using the prototype today, I have decided to increase from 8 to 14 underglow LEDs (frost clear), 2 rows. Thanks all for the feedback.Let there be light!
Post by: voxkey on Wed, 10 April 2019, 09:05:57
Upon using the prototype today, I have decided to increase from 8 to 14 underglow LEDs (frost clear), 2 rows. Thanks all for the feedback.
:thumb:
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 11 April 2019, 00:33:49
Post by: tryZEROg on Thu, 11 April 2019, 01:41:39
I'm still so on the fence. Wavez green... or one of the PCs. I know you said for new comers it's probably recommended to get a alu case (I appreciate the info and suggestions, btw), and part of me wants that so it will look great with my wavez keycaps coming. But another part of me knows I can find plenty of alu cases.
I know I don't want anything "hollow" or "pingy" sounding. Have you had any tests on an alu build?
I take it the alu case is integrated with a 4.5mm alu plate? Not alu case with 4.5mm PC plate?
Something about that thick PC plate sounded like a nice typing experience that has a bit of give, but still feels solid. Your original description still has me captivated. Oof. This is hard. You've done your job well!
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 11 April 2019, 13:50:48
Note: the brass badges and weights in the prototypes have not been PVD treated.
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Post by: kolyz on Thu, 11 April 2019, 15:12:52
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 11 April 2019, 17:32:40
great pics oldcat! any chance we can see what the bottom of the alu case will look like with the weight?
Alu proto is still in the factory. You will see the gears in brass. The lightbulb will be CNC engraved
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 11 April 2019, 17:34:33
Some sound tests, light visual effects, and scratch tests for PC: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100166.msg2747107#msg2747107
PC is not for the faint-hearted, it will leave a trace if you scratch it against aluminum or even plastic. Take that into account when you make the purchase!
Let me know what else you want to know, super busy this week but I will do my best to record more videos.
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 11 April 2019, 18:19:25
1. 4XRGB on ESC stays as is, it uses the same channel as underglow
2. Underglow increased from 1 row of 8 to two rows of 7 each (14 total)
3. The light strip diffuser part, 3 hotswap LEDs will be separately controllable (from underglow) as you activate/deactivate a backlighting layer. So you will be able to turn the light on and off without pushing the capslock key. In the prototype, it is a indicator light but I realized how little I actually use capslock. Never used other indicator keys.
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Post by: 3ambutter on Thu, 11 April 2019, 19:17:13
Full transparency:
Some sound tests, light visual effects, and scratch tests for PC: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100166.msg2747107#msg2747107
PC is not for the faint-hearted, it will leave a trace if you scratch it against aluminum or even plastic. Take that into account when you make the purchase!
Let me know what else you want to know, super busy this week but I will do my best to record more videos.
Is the black PC more scratch resistant than clear PC?
Post by: ninjacore on Thu, 11 April 2019, 19:23:40
Post by: kolyz on Thu, 11 April 2019, 20:19:10
Thanks for the quick reply oldcat! <3 cant wait for Sundaygreat pics oldcat! any chance we can see what the bottom of the alu case will look like with the weight?
Alu proto is still in the factory. You will see the gears in brass. The lightbulb will be CNC engraved
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 11 April 2019, 20:55:11
Full transparency:
Some sound tests, light visual effects, and scratch tests for PC: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100166.msg2747107#msg2747107
PC is not for the faint-hearted, it will leave a trace if you scratch it against aluminum or even plastic. Take that into account when you make the purchase!
Let me know what else you want to know, super busy this week but I will do my best to record more videos.
Is the black PC more scratch resistant than clear PC?
I did tests, perhaps by a little bit. Using non-metal scratches are not obvious in either clear or black.
Post by: Cee on Sun, 14 April 2019, 17:27:55
Post by: chriszhu on Sun, 14 April 2019, 22:20:04
Post by: PotatoTM on Sun, 14 April 2019, 23:56:00
Post by: warmsoda on Wed, 17 April 2019, 11:06:34
What stabs will I need for this (size, quantity, etc.)?
Post by: ninjacore on Wed, 17 April 2019, 11:29:39
Just filled out the form! Frosted PC.
What stabs will I need for this (size, quantity, etc.)?
Please ask this in the GB thread.
@oldcat, do you have the ability to lock this thread as the OP?
Post by: 002 DC on Tue, 29 October 2019, 15:08:07
Post by: Andrehey on Sun, 22 December 2019, 15:01:22