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Inkstone 砚台: the Simplified Chinese base kit (154pcs) | $134.99 | ¥968/$168 | $180 | €129.99 | £119 | $177 | $178 |
Old Path 旧路: the Traditional Chinese base kit (154pcs) | $134.99 | ¥968/$168 | $180 | €129.99 | £119 | $177 | $178 |
Clear Water 清水: the Cangjie monolegend alphas kit (67pcs) | $79.99 | ¥544/$88 | $106.50 | €75 | £69 | $105 | $105 |
Lijiang 漓江: the novelties kit (23pcs) | $44.99 | ¥302/$49 | $60 | €42 | £39 | $59 | $59 |
Negative Space 留白: the spacebars kit (13pcs) | $27.99 | ¥184/$31 | $37 | €28 | £25 | $37 | $37 |
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I'm looking forward to seeing them in the next round of NathanAlphaMan's kit renders, which we're hoping will be done over the US Thanksgiving break.
This is awesome and I'll definitely be buying a set. However, I think it's really important that the GB thread renders and images used on storefront pages accurately reflect the redesigned GMK-spec legends, which doesn't yet appear to be the case.
The GB thread OP still has this quote
I'm looking forward to seeing them in the next round of NathanAlphaMan's kit renders, which we're hoping will be done over the US Thanksgiving break.
from the IC. Hopefully you are in the process of getting more renders done, and these will be available in time for the launch of the GB.
I'm very excited for this set, but I think it's extremely important that people know exactly what they're paying for.
I think the traditional chinese Old Path set is so great!
Definitely grab at least one, or maybe more!
Sorry to be a perfectionist, the only problem in the set is on the numpad.
The digit 2 and 6 are still in simplified chinese (贰 and 陆).
The correct form should be 貳 as 2 and 陸 as 6.
Since it is only appeared on the kit render, I guess it would be fine in final production.
It’s also very important to me that this work is completed before the GB. Renders of the production legends are due any day from my partner and he understands the importance of making sure the GB opens with an accurate representation of the product. I appreciate you bringing this up so I can take the opportunity to say we will make sure that happens!This is awesome and I'll definitely be buying a set. However, I think it's really important that the GB thread renders and images used on storefront pages accurately reflect the redesigned GMK-spec legends, which doesn't yet appear to be the case.
The GB thread OP still has this quote
I'm looking forward to seeing them in the next round of NathanAlphaMan's kit renders, which we're hoping will be done over the US Thanksgiving break.
from the IC. Hopefully you are in the process of getting more renders done, and these will be available in time for the launch of the GB.
I'm very excited for this set, but I think it's extremely important that people know exactly what they're paying for.
I promised my self not to buy another GMK set but why you do me like this ^-^ . I guess another set for the collection :)
Hey I'm chinese but I don't get how the keyboard works. Why is one of the words just 月,女,日,木。Do they have significance based on the location on the keyboard? (I only type in pinyin)
Hey I'm chinese but I don't get how the keyboard works. Why is one of the words just 月,女,日,木。Do they have significance based on the location on the keyboard? (I only type in pinyin)
Hey I'm chinese but I don't get how the keyboard works. Why is one of the words just 月,女,日,木。Do they have significance based on the location on the keyboard? (I only type in pinyin)
Cangjie works based on the shape of the characters, rather than the sound of the characters like pinyin or zhuyin. There’s a really good guide to how to use it here (https://zh.wikibooks.org/wiki/倉頡輸入法), which I’ve been using to try and learn the system. It’s a very different way of typing! The advantage is that you don’t need to select from a list of alternative characters like you do with phonetic input methods, so in theory once you’ve learnt it it should be possible to touch-type quicker than you can in pinyin.
As an example, taking the simple phrase 你好. The first character is broken down into three parts: 人 (the person radical on the left), 弓 (the “hook” at the top-right), and 火 (the “small” radical at the bottom-right, which is close-ish to “fire”). The second character is also split into three parts, despite only looking like two radicals: 女 on the left, and on the right 弓 and 木. Learning how these base characters map to components of other characters is a major part of learning the system and is summarised on this page (https://zh.wikibooks.org/wiki/倉頡輸入法/輔助字形).
Hope that helps!
Hey I'm chinese but I don't get how the keyboard works. Why is one of the words just 月,女,日,木。Do they have significance based on the location on the keyboard? (I only type in pinyin)
Cangjie works based on the shape of the characters, rather than the sound of the characters like pinyin or zhuyin. There’s a really good guide to how to use it here (https://zh.wikibooks.org/wiki/倉頡輸入法), which I’ve been using to try and learn the system. It’s a very different way of typing! The advantage is that you don’t need to select from a list of alternative characters like you do with phonetic input methods, so in theory once you’ve learnt it it should be possible to touch-type quicker than you can in pinyin.
As an example, taking the simple phrase 你好. The first character is broken down into three parts: 人 (the person radical on the left), 弓 (the “hook” at the top-right), and 火 (the “small” radical at the bottom-right, which is close-ish to “fire”). The second character is also split into three parts, despite only looking like two radicals: 女 on the left, and on the right 弓 and 木. Learning how these base characters map to components of other characters is a major part of learning the system and is summarised on this page (https://zh.wikibooks.org/wiki/倉頡輸入法/輔助字形).
Hope that helps!
For me, I will probably use the monolegends simply to touch type in Chinese and English, but Kidviddy has inspired me to try to learn Cangjie, I think.
Very well explained! My understanding is that Cangjie is similar to stroke counting but is way more efficient and elegant.
Thanks! It is, indeed, quite similar to breaking characters down by stroke or radical, but for those who are used to hand-writing Chinese characters it can be quite counter-intuitive, as the characters are divided according to different rules. Which is more elegant is probably in the eye of the beholder: the guide I linked above puts it well when it says "如果說筆順輸入法像執筆寫字,倉頡輸入法就像用剪刀把漢字剪開" (Google Translate: "If the stroke order input method is like writing with a pen, the Cangjie input method is like cutting Chinese characters with scissors").
Is there a list, by any chance, of the exact number and specification of keys that are different between the Inkstone and the Old Path base kits?
I can compare them by eye by looking at each render back and forth (ctrl-tabbing between them), but it'd be nice to see the differences just listed out in their equivalent ANSI keys (e.g. Prt Scr, Scroll Look, Insert, numpad Enter, etc)
Beautiful set and the RAMA caps are incredible! It would be super cool if the entire set can be done using Liushutong script ... one can dream :-)
I learned so much from this thread, and thanks for having two separate sets of sc and tc so I don't have to get extra kits just to have tc. Also wanna point out the iso enter on the traditional kit render seems to still be sc. Pretty sure it doesn't matter as it's only a render but wanna point that out just in case.
Got traditional, novelties and base, I did my part!
The original kit legends were rendered in Noto Sans SC and TC Bold 500, an open-source font that I found clean and to be a close match to the GMK standard Latin font. However, GMK specs require a certain degree of rounded corners, stroke width, negative space between strokes, and, most significantly, a relatively large minimum size of any interior negative space within a figure. I spent most of November completely overhauling the legends to meet the specs: adding cutaways to minute interior spaces, broadening strokes, narrowing and straightening negative space, rounding corners, and in a few cases where it was unavoidable, simplifying elements altogether.
Ordered, have never been so excited for a set.
All ordered, best looking deskmats ever.
Been waiting for this set for a while. Not sure why shipping for the deskmat costs the same as the deskmat itself though :(
I've done my part with a few base kits. My concern is that there are two base kits which are extremely similar save for the mods. I feel like it would have been better to have one base kit and then optional mods.
Hopeful that both base kits will hit MOQ, but agreed that we need some help.
Planning on hopping on this closer to the end of the month as well. Keeping my fingers crossed this makes it - it'll be my first fancy AF keycaps but how can I not support such a carefully thought out set?
I'm planning to join towards the end of the month for most of the kits, glwb
Damn, I really hope this gets made. It would be a shame if it didn't, especially because other sets (GMK Tuzi, Houhai for example) will be able to take advantage of the new legends. But I am worried, as the MOQ is very high. 1000 base kits is a huge number for a niche product like this. But I believe in it
If you are reading this and are on the fence about supporting, please do!
Cangjie is good for Mandarin or Cantonese learners also, because it can help you "construct" the characters stroke by stroke, regardless of pronunciation. This is fun
I got the Inkstone, Lijiang and Negative Space set! Also the Rama chop and Rafts deskmat as well! Eagerly awaiting this set! ;D
I got the Inkstone, Lijiang and Negative Space set! Also the Rama chop and Rafts deskmat as well! Eagerly awaiting this set! ;D
Thank you! Should look beautiful. What board are you planning on putting them on?
Are the secondary legend functional? I am bilingual, I use pinyin only, I have no idea what the secondary legend is for.
Numbers aren't looking good. Any chance the runners will consider lumping Inkstone and Old Path together so there's hope to hit MOQ?
Numbers aren't looking good. Any chance the runners will consider lumping Inkstone and Old Path together so there's hope to hit MOQ?
Numbers aren't looking good. Any chance the runners will consider lumping Inkstone and Old Path together so there's hope to hit MOQ?
I think there’s a good chance we can make up sales in the second half here, but this possibility has been raised and I’ll ask. I think the easiest way to do it would be to pick the set that’s leading and ask if buyers are willing to convert their orders. Let’s hope instead for second half numbers to get close enough to justify a buyout to get the molds made for both character sets!
Numbers aren't looking good. Any chance the runners will consider lumping Inkstone and Old Path together so there's hope to hit MOQ?
I think there’s a good chance we can make up sales in the second half here, but this possibility has been raised and I’ll ask. I think the easiest way to do it would be to pick the set that’s leading and ask if buyers are willing to convert their orders. Let’s hope instead for second half numbers to get close enough to justify a buyout to get the molds made for both character sets!
Agreed that is probably the best bet to hit MOQ.
Frankly, I don't think there is a ton of incremental benefit to having both traditional and simplified mods.
At the same time, SC users, while intrigued by TC, outnumber TC users 25:1, so it doesn't make sense to sell TC only simply because a minority of users feel it's indispensable. The goal is to get the tooling made for both character sets to expand the library.
I reckon that most simplified users would still begrudgingly pay for traditional mods, rather than having no kits made. After all, karaoke is still sung in traditional and cangjie is historically a traditional input method. It's not unreasonable.
Numbers aren't looking good. Any chance the runners will consider lumping Inkstone and Old Path together so there's hope to hit MOQ?
I think there’s a good chance we can make up sales in the second half here, but this possibility has been raised and I’ll ask. I think the easiest way to do it would be to pick the set that’s leading and ask if buyers are willing to convert their orders. Let’s hope instead for second half numbers to get close enough to justify a buyout to get the molds made for both character sets!
Agreed that is probably the best bet to hit MOQ.
Frankly, I don't think there is a ton of incremental benefit to having both traditional and simplified mods.
That's not a sentiment most often shared in the Chinese-speaking world. The availability of both has been very important, both in our IC responses and in the discussion around it. I've had nearly a year of conversations with users around the world about this, including friends in both in Mainland China and in other Chinese-speaking territories. The use of Traditional vs. Simplified characters is deeply personal and political, and I heard from many users in TW and HK that they simply would not be interested in purchasing keycaps using SC, which many consider "not real" Chinese. At the same time, SC users, while intrigued by TC, outnumber TC users 25:1, so it doesn't make sense to sell TC only simply because a minority of users feel it's indispensable. The goal is to get the tooling made for both character sets to expand the library. My next set, GMK Houhai, for example, is inspired by the nights in Beijing, and it wouldn't make much sense not to offer Simplified characters in the city where they were invented and where all the signage that inspired them is written using them. Nor would it make sense for more traditionally themed sets like Shanshui, or others planned in the future by other designers, to offer only Simplified Chinese, and to expect TC users who see it as a bastardization to simply get with the program.
Plus, after talking with vendors, the idea of converting orders doesn't sound like it has much support. It would be a real nightmare to contact every buyer and convert and cancel a bunch of orders. Instead, we are going to try to sell 500 of each base kit, and I suspect that if it's close, we have a supportive group of vendors ready to make it happen. I'm already in for several sets myself, and so are many of the fans of this set and this project.
Bottom line: If you believe in this set, and in the community project of expanding GMK's tooling to include Chinese characters, the best thing you can do is to support it, and to promote this set to your friends and fellow community members.
This is a response to your comment, though the quote thread was getting a bit long.
The answer is no, the alphas in each set are particular to the character set they represent. In fact, all but six of the alphas are the same in TC and SC. Two Latin letter keys (火、女) and three numerals (七、八、零) are different based on stroke angle, and are rendered differently in each set. One character (難) I included the TC form in both kits on advice that the SC version looked wrong. In only this one instance does a TC character appear on the SC kit, deliberately so. TC and SC are in no other way mixed.
Sidenote: Comparing SC/TC and using karaoke as an excuse is just silly. I don't need to read Japanese to be able to sing along to Ayumi Hamasaki.
QuoteSidenote: Comparing SC/TC and using karaoke as an excuse is just silly. I don't need to read Japanese to be able to sing along to Ayumi Hamasaki.
My point in referencing KTV was merely that many SC users can use and are willing to use TC on occasion (whereas the inverse is often not true). I am not arguing in favour of one or the other, I was just trying to provide a potential solution in the event that the GB is short on orders.
If one set gets made and orders of the other set is given the option to convert, people who care will lose their minds and refuse to convert their orders.
QuoteSidenote: Comparing SC/TC and using karaoke as an excuse is just silly. I don't need to read Japanese to be able to sing along to Ayumi Hamasaki.
My point in referencing KTV was merely that many SC users can use and are willing to use TC on occasion (whereas the inverse is often not true). I am not arguing in favour of one or the other, I was just trying to provide a potential solution in the event that the GB is short on orders.
Thanks for your patience, everyone! I'm proud to announce that all kits will be made as we close in on MOQ! Thanks to everyone who joined, and if you've been waiting for this announcement to join, don't miss your chance to join before we close February 1.My excitement is immeasurable and may day is made :)
Cheers and thanks for your support and for getting these molds made for the community.
Lots of updates on the Reddit update thread for more information (https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/l5ixkx/gb_gmk_shanshui_final_week_all_kits_will_be_made/).
wowee that's a lot of deskmats!