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[Relaxbro]

J or I definitely 

[Villain]

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[gadzkun]

J for Japanese

about hhkb side print in japanese.
i dont mind have more legend on japanese set.
but i think we should do a vote for side print on japanese too.

i really like crowded text its really "japanese"

[s3vv4]

J looks best, B is close second

Not sure if you want suggestions, but I'm into purple, so this would be even nicer for me:

[pichu23]

J is good. Both fonts are equally balanced so it is good!

[y2bd]

Could we possibly have that red get a little bit more pink-leaning without going as far as the pink you have? I'd prefer a cooler red over a warm orange-y red, but I don't want straight pink.

I vote for C/D with less pink. Love the thin legends.

[romevi]

Regarding the Aurebesh and Klingon boards, what would people prefer, English + Aurebesh/Klingon like the Tengwar or something like in the OP?

Let's see both; I think that'll help us decide.

It's not like I have a wand, flick and boom mockup done )

You don't?

[Villain]

Moz, instead of voting for 1, can we have 3 really different ones to choose from to order?

[MOZ]

Moz, instead of voting for 1, can we have 3 really different ones to choose from to order?

IMSTO would be the person to answer as I have no clue on the MOQ.

[nyunyu]

He said earlier, that the MOQ is 10.

[wilarseny]

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Feedback welcome, in no way are these the only options.

I really hate to be a broken record, but any way we could do a similar vote for Arabic colors? Or is the black legends / blue sublegends pretty much set at this point?

[ViciousWhiskers]

Isn't J the same Mincho font as before? I was hoping to avoid that... 

I'm going to stay persistent in trying to replace the Mincho font, so I hope you guys don't hate me for that.
I currently prefer B over all the other choices since it looks similar to the (if not the same) font that Ivan used in his Japanese set. And evidently others also agree that Black Alphabet + Red Japanese looks nice.

However, might I suggest to all of you who prefer option J to replace the font with something else of similar thickness, without the "calligraphic" strokes to it? Because Mincho is a Serif type font family with all those tiny "strokes" at the ends, whereas Gothic is a Sans-serif type font family without all those tiny strokes.

Here is my mockup with Gothic fonts, and also showing what I mean by Mincho being a serif font (circled in blue are the "serif" strokes that make it look "calligraphic"):



Additionally, there's also the font used in the HHKB Pro 2 JP but I don't know what font face that is:

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I myself, personally prefer Kozuka Gothic from the image I showed above, as it's a thick Gothic font with consistent stroke thickness.

What do you guys think?

Sorry for sounding selfish, but I really would prefer a Sans-serif Gothic font face for a keyboard as Mincho, in my opinion, really does look out of place in the sense that it has an appearance themed for slightly "calligraphic" printing or proper, professional publication purposes (something along those lines, if you catch my drift).
But, if in the end you guys still prefer Mincho font, then well... there's nothing I can really do about it and I guess I'll have to just suck it up since it's a vote afterall.

[alienman82]

removed.

[dyrdevil]

Karura, appreciate the constructive criticism. I'm not messing with the what isn't broken, but just trying to improve on them and provide something people can see before ordering, which was lacking up until now.

The side-printed legends were for our HHKB layout using brethren, however it doesn't seem like most people want it. Understood and changed in the layouts. Only key I've left it on is the mod-colored 1.5 pipe key, as that isn't part of the OG design in any case and makes sense to have it for those using 1.5U backspace such as in HHKB, TrueFox layouts. However still if members feel strongly against it, I'll remove it.

Regarding the win key, I don't think there is every going to be a consensus on it. I've tried to implement a half-way solution for those not liking the colorful win98 logo and those liking the more neutral win8 logo.

About the AltGr, I have left it for now as I think we should think about those using the sets on ISO or other language boards. I understand the language specific legends are missing. Again, if members feel strongly against it, I can remove it from the non-EU boards.

I've fixed the 0 key in the example mockup below along with the other things mentioned above.

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+1 here for HHKB legends.  It's really the only reason I'm currently interested in this buy - I love the pbt on my hhkb and want a high-quality mx alternative to mod the board with!  I'd also be willing to pay more for custom keys, and maybe that's a better option if it's made clear it's possible.

Thanks for all your work Moz!

[metalliqaz]

Is it me or is there no option to order the regular black print?

[infodroid]

I agree sans-serif is a better font family for the Japanese set. Kozuka Gothic looks pretty cool.

[beltet]

Please leave the HHKB sideprints, at least on the dark colored ones. This was also one of the main reasons I ordered this kit.

[joostflux]

I must be in the serious minority. I was a big fan of either A or I.

[ViciousWhiskers]

I must be in the serious minority. I was a big fan of either A or I.

You're not that far off alone. The only difference is the colour swap between the alphabet and Japanese characters.

But I'd still like people's opinions on Serif vs Sans-Serif for the Japanese set?

[y2bd]

I must be in the serious minority. I was a big fan of either A or I.

You're not that far off alone. The only difference is the colour swap between the alphabet and Japanese characters.

But I'd still like people's opinions on Serif vs Sans-Serif for the Japanese set?

I'm full on sans-serif. In my opinion the brush stroke font looks very kitschy. It really doesn't belong on something digital like a computer keyboard (which you also talked about).

[rarely_upset]

I'm partial to D. J looks like at a glance but I see myself questioning the font after a few weeks.

[rddm]

no portuguese set in the store yet :/

[KnivesM]

G/H or I/J

[endeavour90]

I do not mind the font type for japanese set, as long as the colour is bright red rather than magenta / pinkish.

[gadzkun]

i was voted J for japanese set at first but when i read ViciousWhiskers post
i must agreed with ViciousWhiskers most of the part.
the inconsistent thin lines in mincho i think would not look good in the caps.
it would look really really thin and would not be seen in the tiny keycaps.
now i really like this japanese set



it just like MOZ E & F japanese mockup, but deym i really dont like MAGENTA / PINKISH colour!

RED FTW!

[meiosis]

Has IMSTO agreed to changing any of these? As is it's pretty hectic to  make so many dyesub sets.

[Karura]

Has IMSTO agreed to changing any of these? As is it's pretty hectic to  make so many dyesub sets.

+1 We need to know what is the actual agreement. I feel that a lot of people are confused as to what's going on.

[romevi]

Has IMSTO agreed to changing any of these? As is it's pretty hectic to  make so many dyesub sets.

+1 We need to know what is the actual agreement. I feel that a lot of people are confused as to what's going on.

Yeah, I'm really confused as to what's going on.
Has imsto hired you on to create mock-ups of what the sets will look like? Sorry if that already has been addressed; I probably just missed it.

Right now it seems to me that you and imsto are in some agreement where you'll do the mock-ups based on feedback and the end results are what imsto will dyesub.

[FoC_Tow]

Has IMSTO agreed to changing any of these? As is it's pretty hectic to  make so many dyesub sets.

+1 We need to know what is the actual agreement. I feel that a lot of people are confused as to what's going on.

Yeah, I'm really confused as to what's going on.
Has imsto hired you on to create mock-ups of what the sets will look like? Sorry if that already has been addressed; I probably just missed it.

Right now it seems to me that you and imsto are in some agreement where you'll do the mock-ups based on feedback and the end results are what imsto will dyesub.

Heres what MOZ said a few pages back, hope this helps... 

Just to clarify, I'm not just creating reference mockups, but hopefully what should be the final sets. I have been in correspondence with IMSTO about this. His previous sets were more or less designed by Ivan, who did a great job no doubt. So this is one aspect he needs assistance with.

Regarding the final keycaps on offer, I have sent him IMSTO a message, but communication isn't his strongest suite , still waiting to hear from him.

I think it might best to go with classic Win 98 logo on the Desko, basic Cherry legends only dyesubs and some others such as the Arabic and Miami. For some sets, such as the Hangul, Japanese, the win key is quite elegant so I'll leave it. Thoughts?

Also +1 Kozuka Gothic

[romevi]

Has IMSTO agreed to changing any of these? As is it's pretty hectic to  make so many dyesub sets.

+1 We need to know what is the actual agreement. I feel that a lot of people are confused as to what's going on.

Yeah, I'm really confused as to what's going on.
Has imsto hired you on to create mock-ups of what the sets will look like? Sorry if that already has been addressed; I probably just missed it.

Right now it seems to me that you and imsto are in some agreement where you'll do the mock-ups based on feedback and the end results are what imsto will dyesub.

Heres what MOZ said a few pages back, hope this helps... 

Just to clarify, I'm not just creating reference mockups, but hopefully what should be the final sets. I have been in correspondence with IMSTO about this. His previous sets were more or less designed by Ivan, who did a great job no doubt. So this is one aspect he needs assistance with.

Regarding the final keycaps on offer, I have sent him IMSTO a message, but communication isn't his strongest suite , still waiting to hear from him.

I think it might best to go with classic Win 98 logo on the Desko, basic Cherry legends only dyesubs and some others such as the Arabic and Miami. For some sets, such as the Hangul, Japanese, the win key is quite elegant so I'll leave it. Thoughts?

Also +1 Kozuka Gothic

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That answers a lot! Thanks!

[MOZ]

As FoC_Tow said, I'm sort of a liaison on this. I'll be getting feedback and making the mockups and then once the sets for production are finalized work on the precise placement, weight, etc.

The decision on what he offers in the end resides with him, he has however said in mail as well as the OP, that he is open to making changes to existing sets to refine them.

[MOZ]

Is it me or is there no option to order the regular black print?

Cherry Black:

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[metalliqaz]

Is it me or is there no option to order the regular black print?

Cherry Black:

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It's not on imstos storefront

[MOZ]

Regarding the Japanese set, I think it might best to have two sets if possible:
1. Red-Pink Segoe UI R English -- Black Kozuka Gothic PR6N R Hiragana
2. Black Cherry English -- Red Epson Micho Bold



Again, the decision to have one or two, or whatever resides with IMSTO.

[gadzkun]

please imsto make this
now im really like this japanese set



if this japanese run i will take 2 set i promise

[s3vv4]

please imsto make this
now im really like this japanese set

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if this japanese run i will take 2 set i promise :-*

I voted J earlier, but this seems to be the superior choice now to me too, please make it happen!

[gadzkun]

please imsto make this
now im really like this japanese set

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if this japanese run i will take 2 set i promise :-*

I voted J earlier, but this seems to be the superior choice now to me too, please make it happen!

OK now we need 10 ppl to get this passed MOQ.

please make it happen IMSTO

[ipreferpie]

please imsto make this
now im really like this japanese set

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if this japanese run i will take 2 set i promise :-*

I voted J earlier, but this seems to be the superior choice now to me too, please make it happen!

OK now we need 10 ppl to get this passed MOQ.

please make it happen IMSTO

+1 I should be down for this one too then. Any chance to make side prints for HHKB layout compatible though? ;)

[Janzzze]

Rally like the look of this set. MOZ is doing gods work trying to please everyone.

About side printing I would personally prefer them leftout for a set going for such a classic and authentic look. A child deal with hhkb legends would be my prefered solution but I understand those who would disagree with me on this.


Dark 1.5 pipekey on ISO sets also makes sense to even make a real hhkb backspace since these sets don't even use this key normally and we still have the other one still.

If side print on capslock and control stays a child deal with non side printed plus pure hhkb legend keys for the purists like me out there may be a solution worth considering.

The non colored win key is definitely a improvement but the old style ugly menu key sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the rest of this beautiful set.

Anyway it goes I will be ordering at the very least one Swedish set and maybe a Japanese or Hangul one while at it 

[gadzkun]

Regarding the Japanese set, I think it might best to have two sets if possible:
1. Red-Pink Segoe UI R English -- Black Kozuka Gothic PR6N R Hiragana
2. Black Cherry English -- Red Epson Micho Bold

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Again, the decision to have one or two, or whatever resides with IMSTO.

ok im in for two set japanese but can we get all a red ones instead a pink :(

please imsto make this
now im really like this japanese set

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if this japanese run i will take 2 set i promise

I voted J earlier, but this seems to be the superior choice now to me too, please make it happen!

OK now we need 10 ppl to get this passed MOQ.

please make it happen IMSTO

+1 I should be down for this one too then. Any chance to make side prints for HHKB layout compatible though?

i dont mind att all about side print,
but we should ask all who want to buy japanese set should we go with side print hhkb or not.
im not a hhkb user but im actually love see more crowded text on japanese set. xD

[geniekid]

I feel uncomfortable buying into this GB with IMSTO's silence over the last few weeks.

EDIT:  Not that he won't deliver.  I have no idea what keys to expect in the final product.

[MOZ]

Here are the Aurebesh options, I've only done the 60% cluster for now for comparison.

Aurebesh and matching style English legends:


Only Aurebesh:


Aurebesh with Cherry legends:





The one with the Cherry legends is my least favorite as the two legends are very contrasting. The one with the matching style English legends looks best IMO.

[romevi]

Here are the Aurebesh options, I've only done the 60% cluster for now for comparison.

Aurebesh and matching style English legends:

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Only Aurebesh:

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Aurebesh with Cherry legends:

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The one with the Cherry legends is my least favorite as the two legends are very contrasting. The one with the matching style English legends looks best IMO.

Top or bottom for me; can't decide. I feel like the top more so because it matches the otherworldliness, and I love the orange.

[Villain]

Regarding the Japanese set, I think it might best to have two sets if possible:
1. Red-Pink Segoe UI R English -- Black Kozuka Gothic PR6N R Hiragana
2. Black Cherry English -- Red Epson Micho Bold

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Again, the decision to have one or two, or whatever resides with IMSTO.

I really like the reddish pink!

[joostflux]

please imsto make this
now im really like this japanese set

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if this japanese run i will take 2 set i promise :-*

Yup, agreed. Want this one. I'm in for at least one set maybe two if my wallet allows.

Now I wonder what I have already purchased on the website when I paid for Japanese haha.

[vafan]

No one like Ancient Egyptian set? I ordered 1 and I really want to know how it looks like

[MOZ]

No one like Ancient Egyptian set? I ordered 1 and I really want to know how it looks like

I mentioned earlier, I'm waiting for imsto to send me the source of the glyphs.

[ViciousWhiskers]

Hi MOZ,

Do you think its possible to notify IMSTO to create a Kozuka Gothic Pr6N BOLD set instead of the Pr6N REGULAR?

I think the current crowd favourite is this. J-styled keyset with Cherry font and thick Kozuka Gothic. Essentially the same colours and style as the Mincho set (Black alphabet, Red Japanese), but just simply replacing the Japanese font face with a thick, Gothic style font. The thick Cherry font goes pretty well with the thick Kozuka Gothic BOLD.

[gadzkun]

please imsto make this
now im really like this japanese set

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if this japanese run i will take 2 set i promise :-*

Yup, agreed. Want this one. I'm in for at least one set maybe two if my wallet allows.

Now I wonder what I have already purchased on the website when I paid for Japanese haha.

so do i. i think what we ordered now is ivan japanese set.
order should closed at 15 april.
i check it everyday to make sure im not miss a new japanese set, if imsto make it happen :rolleyes:.
so the question is will it come or not? it just 9 days to go. :p

Hi MOZ,

Do you think its possible to notify IMSTO to create a Kozuka Gothic Pr6N BOLD set instead of the Pr6N REGULAR?

I think the current crowd favourite is this. J-styled keyset with Cherry font and thick Kozuka Gothic. Essentially the same colours and style as the Mincho set (Black alphabet, Red Japanese), but just simply replacing the Japanese font face with a thick, Gothic style font. The thick Cherry font goes pretty well with the thick Kozuka Gothic BOLD.

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+1 YES PLEASE!

[MOZ]

Hi MOZ,

Do you think its possible to notify IMSTO to create a Kozuka Gothic Pr6N BOLD set instead of the Pr6N REGULAR?

I think the current crowd favourite is this. J-styled keyset with Cherry font and thick Kozuka Gothic. Essentially the same colours and style as the Mincho set (Black alphabet, Red Japanese), but just simply replacing the Japanese font face with a thick, Gothic style font. The thick Cherry font goes pretty well with the thick Kozuka Gothic BOLD.

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Already did mockups, with this one :D. Will post soon