[IC] GMK DOOM | GB NOW LIVE!

[Auk]

Can it be exported outside of the EU without the VAT? that would put it around $125, plus whatever local fees are due.

[TalkingTree]

just for reference Honeywell had 148 keys and the Group Buy price was $135.

Caps Unlocked is registered in the UK and therefore subject to the german VAT (19%). Also, being them a business, you'd need to consider some markup as well.

I have added the final pricing for this keycap set, please read the original post.

Ready to place my order.

[r5d]

I will definitely grab a set (in EU) 

[ideus]

For people not based in EU the final cost for the set would be expensive considering the price plus shipping cost. Hope it reaches MoQ though, it is a nice set.

[CAPS UNLOCKED]

For people not based in EU the final cost for the set would be expensive considering the price plus shipping cost. Hope it reaches MoQ though, it is a nice set.

I will try to get a proxy for customers in North America.

[Applet]

Will definately be joining  Have you decided if you will offer the novelties sepeately or if they will be included only in the base kit?

[IAmPyhrra]

Sorry if I missed this some where, but where will this GB be held?

[Mr_BeastQuake]

If you could work out an NA proxy that would be awesome. As of now, I hope the novelties are separate from base kit as I'm kind of back and forth on them but still understand if that doesn't happen. Will try to make a purchase happen in any situation doe

[duynguyenle]

Sorry if I missed this some where, but where will this GB be held?

Capsunlocked is an UK vendor

[r5d]

The only thing that could improve this set would be icon legends.. but too late I guess. And it's not like I won't buy because it doesn't have them 

[Atredl]

The only thing that could improve this set would be icon legends.. but too late I guess. And it's not like I won't buy because it doesn't have them 

Please no.

[TalkingTree]

The only thing that could improve this set would be icon legends.. but too late I guess. And it's not like I won't buy because it doesn't have them 

Please no.

+1.

[ideus]

The only thing that could improve this set would be icon legends.. but too late I guess. And it's not like I won't buy because it doesn't have them 

Please no.

+1.

Old and boring classic legends and icon modifiers work for me pretty well, though.

[duynguyenle]

The only thing that could improve this set would be icon legends.. but too late I guess. And it's not like I won't buy because it doesn't have them 

Please no.

+1.

Old and boring classic legends and icon modifiers work for me pretty well, though.

I prefer Icon Mods as well, but it's not the end of the world if it wasn't offered

[Seunghwi Nam]

Too expensive..

[yokken]

Yeah, sorry to say but it is too costly for me, especially for just black on black. At $100 I'd be in, but at $150 it's too much. Good luck with the GB though!!

[r5d]

Starting today (maybe)? 

H Y P E

[MacGruber117]

Can we get a 1u key that just says:

HOE
CAKES

[omegafivethreefive]

Vnays

[Applet]

Any update on when this will run? 

[CAPS UNLOCKED]

Yeah, sorry to say but it is too costly for me, especially for just black on black. At $100 I'd be in, but at $150 it's too much. Good luck with the GB though!!

I am trying to get a proxy for customers in North America. This will reduce the cost.

Starting today (maybe)? 

H Y P E

Any update on when this will run? 

This set has been delayed due to other projects, and due to the GMK Mondrian group buy being extended. I am also trying to get a NA proxy.

[CAPS UNLOCKED]

This is the render on the M65-A. This render does not include any novelty keys, as they are currently being modified to meet GMK's guidelines.

[TalkingTree]

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This is the render on the M65-A. This render does not include any novelty keys, as they are currently being modified to meet GMK's guidelines.

That's beautiful, I can't wait to see this set on my keyboard.

[DreLLin]

The only thing that could improve this set would be icon legends.. but too late I guess. And it's not like I won't buy because it doesn't have them 

Please no.

+1.

Old and boring classic legends and icon modifiers work for me pretty well, though.

I prefer Icon Mods as well, but it's not the end of the world if it wasn't offered

Would also really love to see Icon Mods, but will be in anyway. Looks great, especially that M65-A rendering.

[Applet]

This set has been delayed due to other projects, and due to the GMK Mondrian group buy being extended. I am also trying to get a NA proxy.

Thanks for the update Good to know it is still on track, albeit delayed

[Cotay]

Yeah, sorry to say but it is too costly for me, especially for just black on black. At $100 I'd be in, but at $150 it's too much. Good luck with the GB though!!

I am trying to get a proxy for customers in North America. This will reduce the cost.

Starting today (maybe)? 

H Y P E

Any update on when this will run? 

This set has been delayed due to other projects, and due to the GMK Mondrian group buy being extended. I am also trying to get a NA proxy.

Excellent. I'll gladly wait for a North American proxy.

[My_Thoughts]

Looking forward to the GB

[pon10]

I don't understand why a "Nordic kit" not have been added to this IC/GB when its from the EU 

[Oblotzky]

I don't understand why a "Nordic kit" not have been added to this IC/GB when its from the EU 

Nautilus ran on Massdrop, sold 1900 base kits, and 82 Norde kits. Now try and imagine how many Norde kits this set will sell. There is no point in offering one if you can bet your years salary that it won't hit MOQ.

[pon10]

I don't understand why a "Nordic kit" not have been added to this IC/GB when its from the EU 

Nautilus ran on Massdrop, sold 1900 base kits, and 82 Norde kits. Now try and imagine how many Norde kits this set will sell. There is no point in offering one if you can bet your years salary that it won't hit MOQ.

Yeah i know! people hate the continues asking for norde kits. The never ending MOQ horror stories etc..

As @ideus also says it a couple of pages back.

EU buyers from MD suffer hard on import taxes. you have to drop around 300USD or more when buying sets from MD in EU. GB runners from the EU should try to start to add Wodan`s nordic implementations in the overall set, lowering the cost of the nordic kit keys in the base set.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0

In a UK gb it would be great and price isn't to high for the extra keys..

it will also take some time getting keebpeeps in the EU attention. They have to learn that there is light ahead and the keysets are available without the high import tax from the US.

Cut the ANSI keys out of this set and make that as a add-on... and you can have buyers from:



From Wodans thread
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0

[TalkingTree]

There is no point in offering one if you can bet your years salary that it won't hit MOQ.

There is no harm either in offering something that won't cost any money if the MOQ isn't hit. It should always have a chance.

In a UK gb it would be great and price isn't to high for the extra keys..

it will also take some time getting keebpeeps in the EU attention. They have to learn that there is light ahead and the keysets are available without the high import tax from the US.

Although there's Germany's VAT to pay.

Unfortunately there weren't many Europe based group buys with NorDe kits. Actually, the only one that comes into my mind is Krakob's which didn't go well, supposedly, because of the colour scheme.

[FerretBuster]

would be down for ISO UK set with novelties

[Atredl]

Cut the ANSI keys out of this set and make that as a add-on...

That sounds like a good way to alienate ANSI buyers.

I'm all for Wodan's suggestion of adding the international keys and making an even better base kit. Separating the ANSI keys into a separate kit sounds like a step backwards.

[pon10]

Cut the ANSI keys out of this set and make that as a add-on...

That sounds like a good way to alienate ANSI buyers.

I'm all for Wodan's suggestion of adding the international keys and making an even better base kit. Separating the ANSI keys into a separate kit sounds like a step backwards.

It would be cool with a everything "world wide" international based set. it's just when it's a UK based GB that seems at aiming ANSI as it 1st priority and the reason the Nordic set is cut out of the base set to keep the cost down etc. Wish thinking was just a reverse version with ISO uk as first priority with Wodan's minimum kit added to the base set adding only the 16,50 € more to a base set with a moq at 150 as the quote from gmk in the thread.

Its a awesome clean set and the work behind bringing to the people I am just a tiny sad that finally a EU gb for a set that so clean and classic and ships from the UK I will not be able to join bc of 16,50€,  seems a step backwards   

Edit: typo

[Atredl]

Cut the ANSI keys out of this set and make that as a add-on...

That sounds like a good way to alienate ANSI buyers.

I'm all for Wodan's suggestion of adding the international keys and making an even better base kit. Separating the ANSI keys into a separate kit sounds like a step backwards.

It would be cool with a everything "world wide" international based set. it's just when it's a UK based GB thats seems at aiming ANSI as it 1st priority and the reason the Nordic set is cut out of the base set to keep the cost down etc. Wish thinking was just a reverse version with ISO uk as first priority with Wodan's minimum kit added to the base set adding only the 16,50 € more to a base set with a moq at 150 as the quote from gmk in the thread.

Its a awesome clean set and the work behind bringing to the people I am just a tiny sad that finally a EU gb for a set that so clean and classic and ships from the UK I will not be able to join bc of 16,50€ 

I get where you're coming from but both ANSI and UK ISO are fully covered in the base kit so it's not as if the UK based GB is ignoring the UK.

Yeah ANSI is usually the focus but that's because the US has half the population of all of Europe. That's a huge amount of people that all use the exact same alphas. That's not even counting the Asian market, many of whom also buy ANSI alphas. Putting ANSI on the side puts a GB on the back foot from the start and in jeopardy of not being made. That's why I think adding Wodan's keys are the best solution. You add the most important international keys to the base set so that European countries keys are included and MOQ is met.

This is getting a little bit off topic though so I'll probably make future comments in the Wodan thread.

[pon10]

Cut the ANSI keys out of this set and make that as a add-on...

That sounds like a good way to alienate ANSI buyers.

I'm all for Wodan's suggestion of adding the international keys and making an even better base kit. Separating the ANSI keys into a separate kit sounds like a step backwards.

It would be cool with a everything "world wide" international based set. it's just when it's a UK based GB thats seems at aiming ANSI as it 1st priority and the reason the Nordic set is cut out of the base set to keep the cost down etc. Wish thinking was just a reverse version with ISO uk as first priority with Wodan's minimum kit added to the base set adding only the 16,50 € more to a base set with a moq at 150 as the quote from gmk in the thread.

Its a awesome clean set and the work behind bringing to the people I am just a tiny sad that finally a EU gb for a set that so clean and classic and ships from the UK I will not be able to join bc of 16,50€ 

I get where you're coming from but both ANSI and UK ISO are fully covered in the base kit so it's not as if the UK based GB is ignoring the UK.

Yeah ANSI is usually the focus but that's because the US has half the population of all of Europe. That's a huge amount of people that all use the exact same alphas. That's not even counting the Asian market, many of whom also buy ANSI alphas. Putting ANSI on the side puts a GB on the back foot from the start and in jeopardy of not being made. That's why I think adding Wodan's keys are the best solution. You add the most important international keys to the base set so that European countries keys are included and MOQ is met.

This is getting a little bit off topic though so I'll probably make future comments in the Wodan thread.

Point is just adding the Nordic kit to the base set and more Europeans would join. Not having to pay the 40-50 USD for the nordic add-on + import taxes in the EU when its shipped from the US. There is a reason the statistics are not in the euro mechheads favor!! and it would just be cool if a UK gb organizer tried to reach his neighbors with decent price GB that's not gonna be heavily boomed in kit addons and import taxes.

[Atredl]

Point is just adding the Nordic kit to the base set and more Europeans would join.

This is the exact point I'm making.  )  I just didn't like your separate ANSI kit suggestion lol

[pon10]

Point is just adding the Nordic kit to the base set and more Europeans would join.

This is the exact point I'm making.  )  I just didn't like your separate ANSI kit suggestion lol

  Separating the ANSI keys to a kit would just make it cheaper for ISO users, hence since the only reason the nordic kit is not there in the based set is to please the US market bc they dont want to pay the extra 16.50€ .Vice versa would just be fair? and maybe instead of being pissed on people asking for a norde kit etc. US buyers could gain some insight in how it is as a EU buyer

[ideus]

Configuring a set with features needed by the the largest audience of consumers has nothing to do with pleasing someone, it is just basic economy of scale, which makes a set to reach MoQ more likely by being a better match for more people. By experience, a single full set has better chances to reach MoQ than splitting it in alphas, mods and kits, one exception to the rule, that I can remember was Matt3o's Granite, that reaches hundreds of orders even with separated kits. I really do not understand the logic of making the set any other than ANSI, which is the design that has proved to be the one with better chances to reach MoQ.

[pon10]

By experience, a single full set has better chances to reach MoQ than splitting it in alphas, mods and kits

 Then lets put Wodan`s norde kit in the base set! Yihaa

[TalkingTree]

Then lets put Wodan`s norde kit in the base set!

Wodan's point has always been to include NorDe keys in the base set, since the increased cost, for a 100+ keys keyset, was around €16.50.

[pon10]

Then lets put Wodan`s norde kit in the base set!

Wodan's point has always been to include NorDe keys in the base set, since the increased cost, for a 100+ keys keyset, was around €16.50.

Yes exactly... ) sounds very easy to implement

[ideus]

By experience, a single full set has better chances to reach MoQ than splitting it in alphas, mods and kits

 Then lets put Wodan`s norde kit in the base set! Yihaa

Yeah, that is a possibility and we need a brave GB leader to give the idea a try and evaluate if that combination is economically feasible; personally, I think it would have a hard time to be sell,  due to a thirty dollars premium over an standard ANSI set that I doubt the common GB participant may be willing to pay for keys that will be in her drawer forever.

[pon10]

By experience, a single full set has better chances to reach MoQ than splitting it in alphas, mods and kits

 Then lets put Wodan`s norde kit in the base set! Yihaa

Yeah, that is a possibility and we need a brave GB leader to give the idea a try and evaluate if that combination is economically feasible; personally, I think it would have a hard time to be sell,  due to a thirty dollars premium over an standard ANSI set that I doubt the common GB participant may be willing to pay for keys that will be in her drawer forever.

I know it's one giant leap for mankind and the GB leader should off-course take the economically feasible considerations adding the Norde kit to the base set.
This is vender running this IC! Based in UK. Shipping to US is gonna be more then normal rates from standard CONUS shipping rates...

The set doesn't seem unique enough to attract the POP generation from the US to pay the extra shipping rates ( it is a guess ) but the interest this has gotten seems its unlikely to get popular in the US with chances of this set not hitting MOQ. Adding the Nordic kit will off-course increase the base set price which is gonna be a problem for some, but including the Norde kit will make the set available for the many parts of Europe making the set possible of reaching MOQ.

Hopefully if the set popularity grows and the word gets out that a norde kit have been added to the base set and the vender is from the UK.
Again the reason Norde kits have a tough time is that's only a few people that can afford the end of the day 2-400 USD sets from MD when importing to a EU country.

haha i dont mean this as hard criticism, just wondering For some A classic "WOB" set - is a endgame and wants to have correct legends on for the mother language of the KB
I wish this IC a good GB! I hope I can get in on this if it has a norde kit in the base set or as a ad-don. I really dont mind since its coming from UK and i am in Europe. I just wish that the UK vender would be brave to be a first mover and add the keys to try getting this set to hit MOQ maybe even gaining popularity for trying to expand his potential buyers for his business setup.
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[r5d]

Is there any news? How's it hanging? 

[CAPS UNLOCKED]

Hey,

I would like to apologise for the lack of communication regarding this set.

Thank you for all of your feedback, it is great to know there is interest in this set.

I will admit I am hesitant to add all of the keys from this: (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/6f7830fa68c43c022e3d691bddb1a9a2) as I feel it may add to much to the price of the base kit especially for ANSI users whom will never use these keys, but I understand that it will make this set more appealing to European customers.

I was aiming to run this group buy fairly soon, however group buys for other keycap sets are starting (or already running) and I do not wish to compete against them. I will confirm a date as soon as possible, but this group buy will most likely begin in October.

Another reason for the delay is that many users have expressed the opinion that this set is too boring, and whilst I love this keycap set, I am unsure whether there is enough interest for this keycap set to reach the MOQ of 150. If you want to purchase this keycap set, please let me know as I would like to gauge the interest level in this set before I start the group buy.

The novelties have been reworked slightly (same designs but the lines are thicker) in order to meet GMK's guidelines. The new novelty designs are being submitted to GMK and once they have been improved, I will release renders for them

If you have any other feedback, please let me know.

Thank you for reading.

capsunlocked

[Atredl]

I'd just like to chime in to say that I'm still very much interested in this set. Although it might be a good idea to open a poll so that you can gage the interest.

[TalkingTree]

I will admit I am hesitant to add all of the keys from this: (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/6f7830fa68c43c022e3d691bddb1a9a2) as I feel it may add to much to the price of the base kit especially for ANSI users whom will never use these keys, but I understand that it will make this set more appealing to European customers.

You could try and offer it as a separate kit.

If you want to purchase this keycap set, please let me know as I would like to gauge the interest level in this set before I start the group buy.

Many sets have to deal with the fact that those who expressed their interest don't always actually order them.
Don't be discouraged by the negative feedback, this set has the potential to be successful.

[r5d]

I will definitely pick up a set! The understatement (boring?) of this set is what makes it so interesting to me.

[x86ect]

Still interested