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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #350 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 10:08:31 »
The quote is in!

It's higher than expected though, the 150 base set price is €20 higher than I accounted for in the beginning. We would be making quite a big loss if we sold at the price estimate I mentioned earlier :P We're looking into the best way to handle this right now. The price estimate I mentioned earlier lines up with the 500 base set quote instead of the 150 one :/ Lesson learnt for the next time of course, but I think a big reason is also the fact that the kit is quite huge thanks to all the accents and such, uses a lot of colours and had pad printing on the numpad keys.

Anyways, the launch of this GB is really close now!!

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #351 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 10:14:15 »
I know this isn't the point but I'm fairly certain that this set, even outside of MD, may be able to quite handily reach the 500 mark.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #352 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 10:16:41 »
I know this isn't the point but I'm fairly certain that this set, even outside of MD, may be able to quite handily reach the 500 mark.

I have a feeling it might too, but I don't think that setting the expectations too high is a good idea :P

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #353 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 10:16:53 »
I know this isn't the point but I'm fairly certain that this set, even outside of MD, may be able to quite handily reach the 500 mark.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #354 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 10:18:17 »
I think most are fine with paying a little extra. It's just 2 meal at mcdonalds, for the ultimate beige set. I mean, take led zep which recently dropped for $170.
Other sets priced Very simular:
Coniferous (150) burgundy (144) blue alert (145) solarized dark (135) oblivion (135)
« Last Edit: Tue, 19 September 2017, 10:26:40 by avid »

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #355 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 10:55:53 »
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(final set will have front printed legends on the numpad!)

By front do you mean on top, or on the front facing side?

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #356 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 11:08:38 »
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(final set will have front printed legends on the numpad!)

By front do you mean on top, or on the front facing side?

The latter.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #357 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 11:19:22 »
Jangled you can count me in no matter what.
   

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #358 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 13:43:42 »
I think most are fine with paying a little extra. It's just 2 meal at mcdonalds, for the ultimate beige set. I mean, take led zep which recently dropped for $170.
Other sets priced Very simular:
Coniferous (150) burgundy (144) blue alert (145) solarized dark (135) oblivion (135)

Blue alert was 125 at GB phase

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #359 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 15:17:57 »
I think most are fine with paying a little extra. It's just 2 meal at mcdonalds, for the ultimate beige set. I mean, take led zep which recently dropped for $170.
Other sets priced Very simular:
Coniferous (150) burgundy (144) blue alert (145) solarized dark (135) oblivion (135)

Blue alert was 125 at GB phase

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #360 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 15:22:53 »
It's higher than expected though, the 150 base set price is €20 higher than I accounted for in the beginning.

That's still a completely acceptable price considering the kit you've put together.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #361 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 16:59:05 »
Is it too late to add R2 1u "Esc" and "Backspace" keys? Would help out greatly for 40% boards

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #362 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 17:52:20 »
I think most are fine with paying a little extra. It's just 2 meal at mcdonalds, for the ultimate beige set. I mean, take led zep which recently dropped for $170.
Other sets priced Very simular:
Coniferous (150) burgundy (144) blue alert (145) solarized dark (135) oblivion (135)

Blue alert was 125 at GB phase
We have to consider many various situation. MOQ and quotations, custom tex depends on country or states, exchange rate and so on. So it is so difficult to decide the price.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #363 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 18:45:10 »
I'm a bit of a noob here, and this is the first GB that I've been seriously lured and tempted by.  Was there some kind of Interest Check form to submit?  Did I miss that part?  I may need someone to hold my hand a bit, or at lest point me in the right direction.

The colors, they are so classic and so classy. . .

As a Mac and Linux user, I have to laugh at the whole Super/Code/Diamond issue.  Why doesn't everyone just use Command (or Cmd) and the ⌘ symbol as Apple have done since the 1980s?  Or is Apple using it enough to turn people away, somehow?  I'm pretty sure it's not any kind of trademark.  (Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looped_square )

Not a religious issue for me, though.  Super or Code or ❖ or whatever is fine, as long as it's not Microsoft.

Am I to understand this set will come with 2.25x and 2.75x space bars?  Because that would be fantastic for me and my Banana Split 60.

I don't see any 1.25x Fn keys?  (My layout wants two of those!)  Not a deal breaker, though. . .  I can always find some alternative for those.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #364 on: Wed, 20 September 2017, 03:13:32 »
I'm a bit of a noob here, and this is the first GB that I've been seriously lured and tempted by.  Was there some kind of Interest Check form to submit?  Did I miss that part?
Interest checks are run to gauge potential buyers to a product. Eventually this will evolve into a group buy, where the runner (either an individual or a business company) collects the money from the buyers and pays the manufacturer to have the wares produced. GMK has a lead time of around sixteen weeks, so you'll have to wait months before actually getting the goods you've paid for.

Why doesn't everyone just use Command (or Cmd) and the ⌘ symbol?
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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #365 on: Wed, 20 September 2017, 21:50:43 »
Soooo, is the group buy already over? Or is it not open yet?

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #366 on: Wed, 20 September 2017, 22:11:47 »
Soooo, is the group buy already over? Or is it not open yet?

Still in IC phase.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #367 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 01:40:45 »
Please add a 00 Key!

Are there many people who actually use that though? I haven't seen it around much at all :/

Probably not, I only wanted it for my Ducky Pocket. Not alot of sets have the 00 key lol.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #368 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 01:42:42 »
Please add a 00 Key!

Are there many people who actually use that though? I haven't seen it around much at all :/

Probably not, I only wanted it for my Ducky Pocket. Not alot of sets have the 00 key lol.

Not to mention, its an aesthetically pleasing key too
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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #369 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 02:34:18 »
The dollar has lost 20% against the euro, and you want to add 20% for vat, also for extra EU buyers. Let's hope that gmk has lowered its prices by 40%, because otherwise...

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #370 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 03:29:32 »
Please add a 00 Key!

Are there many people who actually use that though? I haven't seen it around much at all :/

Probably not, I only wanted it for my Ducky Pocket. Not alot of sets have the 00 key lol.
I am not use 00 key but my wife work in bank and she need this key... so I have to add this key to my GB default. :p

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #371 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 03:37:58 »
damn dont you people sleep?

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #372 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 03:40:11 »
damn dont you people sleep?

How dare you people live outside the Americas?  :))

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #373 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 03:41:00 »
Please add a 00 Key!

Are there many people who actually use that though? I haven't seen it around much at all :/

Probably not, I only wanted it for my Ducky Pocket. Not alot of sets have the 00 key lol.
I am not use 00 key but my wife work in bank and she need this key... so I have to add this key to my GB default. :p

What's the difference between a 0 and a 00 key in the same profile?

Add a numpad five with bars¡!

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #374 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 03:44:30 »
damn dont you people sleep?

How dare you people live outside the Americas?  :))
Korea is just 17:43. EU maybe morning...

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #375 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 07:54:06 »
Please add a 00 Key!

Are there many people who actually use that though? I haven't seen it around much at all :/

Probably not, I only wanted it for my Ducky Pocket. Not alot of sets have the 00 key lol.
I am not use 00 key but my wife work in bank and she need this key... so I have to add this key to my GB default. :p

What's the difference between a 0 and a 00 key in the same profile?

Add a numpad five with bars¡!

One has 1 zero, the other has 2 zeros.

It's used for prices so you can easily input $15.00 with 5 inputs vs 6.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #376 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 07:57:12 »
Please add a 00 Key!

Are there many people who actually use that though? I haven't seen it around much at all :/

Probably not, I only wanted it for my Ducky Pocket. Not alot of sets have the 00 key lol.
I am not use 00 key but my wife work in bank and she need this key... so I have to add this key to my GB default. :p

What's the difference between a 0 and a 00 key in the same profile?

Add a numpad five with bars¡!

One has 1 zero, the other has 2 zeros.

It's used for prices so you can easily input $15.00 with 5 inputs vs 6.

That's ****ing stupid.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #377 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 07:59:06 »
Soooo, is the group buy already over? Or is it not open yet?

Still in IC phase.

Nice, this would go nicely with my silver board!

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #378 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 08:15:21 »
Please add a 00 Key!

Are there many people who actually use that though? I haven't seen it around much at all :/

Probably not, I only wanted it for my Ducky Pocket. Not alot of sets have the 00 key lol.
I am not use 00 key but my wife work in bank and she need this key... so I have to add this key to my GB default. :p

What's the difference between a 0 and a 00 key in the same profile?

Add a numpad five with bars¡!

One has 1 zero, the other has 2 zeros.

It's used for prices so you can easily input $15.00 with 5 inputs vs 6.

That's ****ing stupid.

Mature.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #379 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 08:29:45 »
Please add a 00 Key!

Are there many people who actually use that though? I haven't seen it around much at all :/

Probably not, I only wanted it for my Ducky Pocket. Not alot of sets have the 00 key lol.
I am not use 00 key but my wife work in bank and she need this key... so I have to add this key to my GB default. :p

What's the difference between a 0 and a 00 key in the same profile?

Add a numpad five with bars¡!

One has 1 zero, the other has 2 zeros.

It's used for prices so you can easily input $15.00 with 5 inputs vs 6.

That's ****ing stupid.

Mature.

It's ****ing stupid, again.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #380 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 08:44:13 »
Efficiency is never stupid, especially when it comes to people who input numbers like that the whole time - it's literally the purpose of keyboards.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #381 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 09:24:06 »
What you do not need is

It may be necessary for someone else
 

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #382 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 09:53:52 »
00 is helpful at certain situation.


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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #383 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 10:17:49 »
Efficiency is never stupid, especially when it comes to people who input numbers like that the whole time - it's literally the purpose of keyboards.

If your software can't even auto format numbers, well, no keyboard will ever be good enough for you. You fix one problem, but many more remain unfixable, including the obsolete user.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #384 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 10:30:22 »
Efficiency is never stupid, especially when it comes to people who input numbers like that the whole time - it's literally the purpose of keyboards.

If your software can't even auto format numbers, well, no keyboard will ever be good enough for you. You fix one problem, but many more remain unfixable, including the obsolete user.

Why does it bother you?  There are keys in every GB that I don't use.  I just make sure that the ones that I do need are there.  Some people need this for 10 Key input, shouldn't that be enough?

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #385 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 10:33:22 »
Can we just ignore and keep this productive?

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #386 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 11:13:44 »
Efficiency is never stupid, especially when it comes to people who input numbers like that the whole time - it's literally the purpose of keyboards.

If your software can't even auto format numbers, well, no keyboard will ever be good enough for you. You fix one problem, but many more remain unfixable, including the obsolete user.

Lol why are you so triggered? I don't use the key either, but it would be nice to use this set on my Ducky Pocket. It would enable another keypad layout with only 1 key. Out of the 10+ keysets I have, only 1 of them have the 00 key. It wouldn't be my choice for a keypad layout, but what's the point in arguing about it?

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #387 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 12:03:15 »
Efficiency is never stupid, especially when it comes to people who input numbers like that the whole time - it's literally the purpose of keyboards.

If your software can't even auto format numbers, well, no keyboard will ever be good enough for you. You fix one problem, but many more remain unfixable, including the obsolete user.

Lol why are you so triggered? I don't use the key either, but it would be nice to use this set on my Ducky Pocket. It would enable another keypad layout with only 1 key. Out of the 10+ keysets I have, only 1 of them have the 00 key. It wouldn't be my choice for a keypad layout, but what's the point in arguing about it?

Bill Gates, when he asked for it to IBM, wasn't allowed to have on the keyboard a reboot/ logon key (equivalent to ctrl alt canc), and you're telling me that a 00 key, needed to add 00 after a comma is necessary??

Numpad five with bars is necessary, not the 00.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #388 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 12:11:01 »
Bill Gates, when he asked for it to IBM, wasn't allowed to have on the keyboard a reboot/ logon key (equivalent to ctrl alt canc), and you're telling me that a 00 key, needed to add 00 after a comma is necessary??

Numpad five with bars is necessary, not the 00.

If you need homing of any kind you're either 5 years old and new to computers or don't care/don't have the time to learn how to type properly.

This is what you sound like when you're so vehemently attacking the use of the 00 key. This argument, not unlike your comment about "the user", is obsolete.

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #389 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 12:54:44 »
Bill Gates, when he asked for it to IBM, wasn't allowed to have on the keyboard a reboot/ logon key (equivalent to ctrl alt canc), and you're telling me that a 00 key, needed to add 00 after a comma is necessary??

Numpad five with bars is necessary, not the 00.

If you need homing of any kind you're either 5 years old and new to computers or don't care/don't have the time to learn how to type properly.

This is what you sound like when you're so vehemently attacking the use of the 00 key. This argument, not unlike your comment about "the user", is obsolete.

How insane are you to say that homing bars / scoops are not necessary when you touch type? This gets the trophy for the most pompous bull**** phrase of the year.
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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #390 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 13:03:51 »
Bill Gates, when he asked for it to IBM, wasn't allowed to have on the keyboard a reboot/ logon key (equivalent to ctrl alt canc), and you're telling me that a 00 key, needed to add 00 after a comma is necessary??

Numpad five with bars is necessary, not the 00.

If you need homing of any kind you're either 5 years old and new to computers or don't care/don't have the time to learn how to type properly.

This is what you sound like when you're so vehemently attacking the use of the 00 key. This argument, not unlike your comment about "the user", is obsolete.

How insane are you to say that homing bars / scoops are not necessary when you touch type? This gets the trophy for the most pompous bull**** phrase of the year.
The point is you sound like a douchenozzle and that makes me want to disregard any points you bring up because you can't bring it to the table and treat other people, who are different from you and have different desires, with a modicum of respect. I feel I'm not the only one here with that view point. I'd rather the discussion be purely about the keys and not about disrespecting someone who may want a key because you view them as obsolete.


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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #391 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 14:45:57 »
Bill Gates, when he asked for it to IBM, wasn't allowed to have on the keyboard a reboot/ logon key (equivalent to ctrl alt canc), and you're telling me that a 00 key, needed to add 00 after a comma is necessary??

Numpad five with bars is necessary, not the 00.

If you need homing of any kind you're either 5 years old and new to computers or don't care/don't have the time to learn how to type properly.

This is what you sound like when you're so vehemently attacking the use of the 00 key. This argument, not unlike your comment about "the user", is obsolete.

How insane are you to say that homing bars / scoops are not necessary when you touch type? This gets the trophy for the most pompous bull**** phrase of the year.
The point is you sound like a douchenozzle and that makes me want to disregard any points you bring up because you can't bring it to the table and treat other people, who are different from you and have different desires, with a modicum of respect. I feel I'm not the only one here with that view point. I'd rather the discussion be purely about the keys and not about disrespecting someone who may want a key because you view them as obsolete.


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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #392 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 14:57:01 »
i ask for windowed stepped caps lock in every GB, and nobody uses that **** but me

so like

who cares

it's all a subjective aesthetics game anyway
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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #393 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 15:18:52 »
Bill Gates, when he asked for it to IBM, wasn't allowed to have on the keyboard a reboot/ logon key (equivalent to ctrl alt canc), and you're telling me that a 00 key, needed to add 00 after a comma is necessary??

Numpad five with bars is necessary, not the 00.

If you need homing of any kind you're either 5 years old and new to computers or don't care/don't have the time to learn how to type properly.

This is what you sound like when you're so vehemently attacking the use of the 00 key. This argument, not unlike your comment about "the user", is obsolete.

How insane are you to say that homing bars / scoops are not necessary when you touch type? This gets the trophy for the most pompous bull**** phrase of the year.
The point is you sound like a douchenozzle and that makes me want to disregard any points you bring up because you can't bring it to the table and treat other people, who are different from you and have different desires, with a modicum of respect. I feel I'm not the only one here with that view point. I'd rather the discussion be purely about the keys and not about disrespecting someone who may want a key because you view them as obsolete.


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It's hard to ignore when every third post on more than half this page is you saying something is "****ing stupid." I'm going to do my best to though.
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Offline poolside

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #394 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 15:36:52 »
Please add a 00 Key!

Are there many people who actually use that though? I haven't seen it around much at all :/

The 00 is helpful when trying to outfit a numpad with as much 1u caps as possible.

Offline sth

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #395 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 16:09:08 »
i ask for windowed stepped caps lock in every GB, and nobody uses that **** but me

so like

who cares

it's all a subjective aesthetics game anyway

it's in the layout for GMK BLANK

also i use 00 on my numpad all the time. it's nice. saves me a little time. **** me, right?
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Offline TerryMathews

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #396 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 16:52:08 »
Bill Gates, when he asked for it to IBM, wasn't allowed to have on the keyboard a reboot/ logon key (equivalent to ctrl alt canc), and you're telling me that a 00 key, needed to add 00 after a comma is necessary??

Numpad five with bars is necessary, not the 00.

If you need homing of any kind you're either 5 years old and new to computers or don't care/don't have the time to learn how to type properly.

This is what you sound like when you're so vehemently attacking the use of the 00 key. This argument, not unlike your comment about "the user", is obsolete.

How insane are you to say that homing bars / scoops are not necessary when you touch type? This gets the trophy for the most pompous bull**** phrase of the year.
The point is you sound like a douchenozzle and that makes me want to disregard any points you bring up because you can't bring it to the table and treat other people, who are different from you and have different desires, with a modicum of respect. I feel I'm not the only one here with that view point. I'd rather the discussion be purely about the keys and not about disrespecting someone who may want a key because you view them as obsolete.


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LOL, you're welcome to ignore me

I wish we could tie you and TP4 to the side of a North Korean nuke and see how far you both can fly.

Offline PancakeMSTR

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #397 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 16:55:41 »
I think numpads in general are fkin dumb, but that's just me. I could frankly give a **** what extra weirdo keys come in this set as long as I have enough to fill a TKL or a 65%.

At any rate, jangled got the quote didn't he? Why is this still in IC?
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Offline Arhipio

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #398 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 17:15:19 »
Hey everyone I was wondering if they're would be interest in a separate group buy (or addition to this one, but I imagine this being a long shot) for a M0110 compatibility pack. I realize how niche this request is but I feel like this is the perfect set for a custom M0110 cherry conversion. The keys required are a R1 1.5u backspace (this is the most important one), R2 1u "\|", R3 1.75u enter key. The enter and backspace key would be icon packs. I did some research and found that R1 1.5u keys do exist, and there was an icon backspace mold used in the gmk nautilus ergodox kit. I have not yet contacted gmk but if there is enough interest I would gladly do a small run for this.

Picture of the pack (the final version will have icon mods)


GMK Nautilus 1.5u backspace

Offline Giorgio

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Re: [IC] GMK 9009
« Reply #399 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 17:40:22 »
Bill Gates, when he asked for it to IBM, wasn't allowed to have on the keyboard a reboot/ logon key (equivalent to ctrl alt canc), and you're telling me that a 00 key, needed to add 00 after a comma is necessary??

Numpad five with bars is necessary, not the 00.

If you need homing of any kind you're either 5 years old and new to computers or don't care/don't have the time to learn how to type properly.

This is what you sound like when you're so vehemently attacking the use of the 00 key. This argument, not unlike your comment about "the user", is obsolete.

How insane are you to say that homing bars / scoops are not necessary when you touch type? This gets the trophy for the most pompous bull**** phrase of the year.
The point is you sound like a douchenozzle and that makes me want to disregard any points you bring up because you can't bring it to the table and treat other people, who are different from you and have different desires, with a modicum of respect. I feel I'm not the only one here with that view point. I'd rather the discussion be purely about the keys and not about disrespecting someone who may want a key because you view them as obsolete.


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LOL, you're welcome to ignore me

I wish we could tie you and TP4 to the side of a North Korean nuke and see how far you both can fly.

Do you smoke gmk in the morning?