[IC] GMK Carbon R2

[T0mb3ry]

Hey boss, are we expecting a matt GB soon? Massdrop?

The mats will be sold on Massdrop and this will be time limited (drop duration) offer. When it will drop? I don't know honestly. I need to see the mats in person to give an approval. I think after that the drop for this may happen any time.

[Idragonist]

Definitely some extra kits

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[EnragedTanker]

oh man let's hope i can afford this

[avid]

Please no R5. It´s really bad and only a few people appreciate it. Or could you at least offer one of the sets without it?

[T0mb3ry]

Please no R5. It´s really bad and only a few people appreciate it. Or could you at least offer one of the sets without it?

Few is not correct. There are many people who are excited about it. And overall there are far less people who care about which bottom row it is.

Otherwise R0 and R5 are the feature of GMK Carbon R2 and i will keep it. Personally i don't see any chance for row 4 kit because as i said there are not many people who care about bottom row profile.
I suggest to use a wristrest with row 5, which should be used anyway if health is a matter. With a wristrest you will not get in touch with the bottom row regardless if its row 4 or row 5.

[Zuology]

Please no R5. It´s really bad and only a few people appreciate it. Or could you at least offer one of the sets without it?

Few is not correct. There are many people who are excited about it. And overall there are far less people who care about which bottom row it is.

Otherwise R0 and R5 are the feature of GMK Carbon R2 and i will keep it. Personally i don't see any chance for row 4 kit because as i said there are not many people who care about bottom row profile.
I suggest to use a wristrest with row 5, which should be used anyway if health is a matter. With a wristrest you will not get in touch with the bottom row regardless if its row 4 or row 5.

I for one welcome R0/R5, as there is the previous round of GMK Carbon with the more common row profile setup already.

[KaosJ]

Soooooo... as someone who likes to buy and doesn't like reading, what's the current situation with GMK Carbon R2?

Very soon, soon or soon^tm? 

[thelaughingman]

Please no R5. It´s really bad and only a few people appreciate it. Or could you at least offer one of the sets without it?

go buy Carbon R1 on mechmarket then. R5 is here to stay 

[T0mb3ry]

Soooooo... as someone who likes to buy and doesn't like reading, what's the current situation with GMK Carbon R2?

Very soon, soon or soon^tm?

November/December more probably.

[darthzero]

Please no R5. It´s really bad and only a few people appreciate it. Or could you at least offer one of the sets without it?

Few is not correct. There are many people who are excited about it. And overall there are far less people who care about which bottom row it is.

Otherwise R0 and R5 are the feature of GMK Carbon R2 and i will keep it. Personally i don't see any chance for row 4 kit because as i said there are not many people who care about bottom row profile.
I suggest to use a wristrest with row 5, which should be used anyway if health is a matter. With a wristrest you will not get in touch with the bottom row regardless if its row 4 or row 5.

Nice, thanks for saving my wallet

[KaosJ]

Soooooo... as someone who likes to buy and doesn't like reading, what's the current situation with GMK Carbon R2?

Very soon, soon or soon^tm?

November/December more probably.

 

[dvorcol]

Update:

Round 1 Upgrade kit
- Fixed row labels.

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Are the colors in GMK R2 identical to GMK R1?  I'm guessing they are.  If not, I worry this Update kit wouldn't be very useful...

[Poesjuh]

Btw, afaik you’ll also need a numpad enter for the R1 upgrade kit.


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[Vigrith]

Are the colors in GMK R2 identical to GMK R1?  I'm guessing they are.  If not, I worry this Update kit wouldn't be very useful...

Why would anyone take the time out of their day to make a kit like that if the colours weren't the same both rounds?

[T0mb3ry]

Update:

Round 1 Upgrade kit
- Fixed row labels.

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Are the colors in GMK R2 identical to GMK R1?  I'm guessing they are.  If not, I worry this Update kit wouldn't be very useful...

No color has been changed. However you should consider that the alphas from round 1 might yellowed over time little bit. For example i could see clear difference between SP SA Carbon R1 and R2. But the new caps can be exposed to the sun in order to get the yellowing so its not an issue.

Btw, afaik you’ll also need a numpad enter for the R1 upgrade kit.

That's right. If you check first page you will notice the Round 1 upgrade kit has an (R4/R5) numpad enter included. You probably looked at the outdated version of the upgrade kit which dvorcol posted before.

[Poesjuh]

Update:

Round 1 Upgrade kit
- Fixed row labels.

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Are the colors in GMK R2 identical to GMK R1?  I'm guessing they are.  If not, I worry this Update kit wouldn't be very useful...

No color has been changed. However you should consider that the alphas from round 1 might yellowed over time little bit. For example i could see clear difference between SP SA Carbon R1 and R2. But the new caps can be exposed to the sun in order to get the yellowing so its not an issue.

Btw, afaik you’ll also need a numpad enter for the R1 upgrade kit.

That's right. If you check first page you will notice the Round 1 upgrade kit has an (R4/R5) numpad enter included. You probably looked at the outdated version of the upgrade kit which dvorcol posted before.

Yes I did (A) :P

[LightningXI]

Edit, because punctuation tricked me in reading t0mb3ry's last comment. I appreciate R5 is all I can say.

[Kawamashi]

I'm wondering what alphas I'll choose to match the Ergodox set. What are the grey and orange color code ? N9 and V2 ?

[Marutks]

Why so many people want R5?  It makes bottom row keys to have negative angle!  Not comfy at all IMHO

dev/tty keycaps have both angled and flat bottom row keys.  Flat keys are more comfy because they have positive angle,  like a flipped spacebar.

[T0mb3ry]

I'm wondering what alphas I'll choose to match the Ergodox set. What are the grey and orange color code ? N9 and V2 ?

N9 and V2 are standard GMK colors. GMK Carbon has non standard but custom colors.

Why so many people want R5?  It makes bottom row keys to have negative angle!  Not comfy at all IMHO

dev/tty keycaps have both angled and flat bottom row keys.  Flat keys are more comfy because they have positive angle,  like a flipped spacebar.

I made a vote previously and you can still vote: VOTE HERE

Comfy or not is subjective. I for example don't flip the spacebar. Try to use wrist rest it will make you any bottom row comfortable without the need to flip the spacebar.

GMK is not comparable with dev/tty (actually MT3 profile). Different manufacturers - different conditions. I cant also include the row 4 in the base kit because current base kits already will definitely cost more than 150$ at 250 MOQ.

[regionfree]

GMK is not comparable with dev/tty (actually MT3 profile). Different manufacturers - different conditions. I cant also include the row 4 in the base kit because current base kits already will definitely cost more than 150$ at 250 MOQ.

is there an ETA on when the GB/drop will commence? Really looking forward to this.

[Vigrith]

is there an ETA on when the GB/drop will commence? Really looking forward to this.

Like 6 posts up

Soooooo... as someone who likes to buy and doesn't like reading, what's the current situation with GMK Carbon R2?

Very soon, soon or soon^tm?

November/December more probably.

pls read thread

[regionfree]

is there an ETA on when the GB/drop will commence? Really looking forward to this.

Like 6 posts up

Soooooo... as someone who likes to buy and doesn't like reading, what's the current situation with GMK Carbon R2?

Very soon, soon or soon^tm?

November/December more probably.

pls read thread

sorry couldn't weed through all 11 pages to find the ETA. would be great to have it in the opening post.

[elfick]

Comfy or not is subjective. I for example don't flip the spacebar. Try to use wrist rest it will make you any bottom row comfortable without the need to flip the spacebar.

You keep mentioning using a wrist rest but many ergonomics experts would recommend that you don't actually touch them while typing. In this case they would have zero effect on the key strike angle. Yes, there are situations where you would use them while typing but this is VERY situational. You really shouldn't use a wrist rest as a rationale for any particular bottom row profile. I'm not advocating against row 5, I just find it concerning that you've mentioned wrist rests several times now.

"Your hands should move freely and be elevated above the wrist/palm rest while typing. When resting, the pad should contact the heel or palm of your hand, not your wrist." - https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/components_wrist_rests.html

[T0mb3ry]

Comfy or not is subjective. I for example don't flip the spacebar. Try to use wrist rest it will make you any bottom row comfortable without the need to flip the spacebar.

You keep mentioning using a wrist rest but many ergonomics experts would recommend that you don't actually touch them while typing. In this case they would have zero effect on the key strike angle. Yes, there are situations where you would use them while typing but this is VERY situational. You really shouldn't use a wrist rest as a rationale for any particular bottom row profile. I'm not advocating against row 5, I just find it concerning that you've mentioned wrist rests several times now.

"Your hands should move freely and be elevated above the wrist/palm rest while typing. When resting, the pad should contact the heel or palm of your hand, not your wrist." - https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/computerworkstations/components_wrist_rests.html

I am just suggesting wrist rest to people who are worried about touching bottom row, because it elevates your hands above the keyboard. Ofc. if you type with elevated hands then you dont need wrist rest at all and you dont have any issue with bottom row.

Otherwise this belongs into another topic for wrist rests or type ergonomics.

There is still a poll open and you can vote for or against vintage rows (R0 and R5): VOTE HERE

[elfick]

I am just suggesting wrist rest to people who are worried about touching bottom row, because it elevates your hands above the keyboard. Ofc. if you type with elevated hands then you dont need wrist rest at all and you dont have any issue with bottom row.

Otherwise this belongs into another topic for wrist rests or type ergonomics.

There is still a poll open and you can vote for or against vintage rows (R0 and R5): VOTE HERE

I voted back when it was originally posted though what I'd really like is the vintage rows included with the base kit and a round 2 "downgrade" set to match the round 1 upgrade set as I missed out on round 1. Knowing how well carbon sells, I suspect it would still be a viable kit, possibly even more popular than the assembly kit, though that's just wild speculation based on nothing but my own opinion.

[T0mb3ry]

Please vote for or against vintage cherry rows: VOTE HERE

I voted back when it was originally posted though what I'd really like is the vintage rows included with the base kit and a round 2 "downgrade" set to match the round 1 upgrade set as I missed out on round 1. Knowing how well carbon sells, I suspect it would still be a viable kit, possibly even more popular than the assembly kit, though that's just wild speculation based on nothing but my own opinion.

I am still considering the row 4 bottom row kit however i need more votes just to see how many people do care for such kit. Its not a problem for me to add this kit but i need some kind of evidence it can make it. But that's impossible and so i can only guess.

is there an ETA on when the GB/drop will commence? Really looking forward to this.

Like 6 posts up

Soooooo... as someone who likes to buy and doesn't like reading, what's the current situation with GMK Carbon R2?

Very soon, soon or soon^tm?

November/December more probably.

pls read thread

sorry couldn't weed through all 11 pages to find the ETA. would be great to have it in the opening post.

Added the possible ETA to the front page

[mimalik]

May be its too late to suggest, but Orange Mods to have all orange set for full size kb?? I am sure there are enough orangephiles to hit an initial MOQ and enough of us R1ers who would like to update the sets we bought in last round just for that niche look.

[T0mb3ry]

May be its too late to suggest, but Orange Mods to have all orange set for full size kb?? I am sure there are enough orangephiles to hit an initial MOQ and enough of us R1ers who would like to update the sets we bought in last round just for that niche look.

Its not too late to make suggestions but there are already 16 kits. That is beyond good and evil for an GMK keyset. Tho i like the idea but unfortunately adding another kit is not possible.

[KaosJ]

Its not too late to make suggestions

To be honest i suggest to surprise everyone and make the set happen this month instead of November/December 

[otanishock]

May be its too late to suggest, but Orange Mods to have all orange set for full size kb?? I am sure there are enough orangephiles to hit an initial MOQ and enough of us R1ers who would like to update the sets we bought in last round just for that niche look.

The problem with this I can think of is we might not have enough "orangephiles" out there who would be willing to commit to a full orange set. Certainly that number can't be more than the number of Colemak/Dvorak users and when was the last time you saw those kits hit MOQ in a standard group buy without help. I just don't think it would be very feasible.

[darthzero]

Its not too late to make suggestions

To be honest i suggest to surprise everyone and make the set happen this month instead of November/December 

While 2 other gmk sets already run and people are already committed, imho a bad idea. This is the only set (I know of) that is scheduled for nov/dec, buyers can save up for that time while other gb runners and vendors know not to run a gmk set around that time.
Also isn‘t massdrop rotating between manufacturers each keyset drop? At least that’s what it looked like the past few months.

[Marutks]

I would definitely join this GB if there is R4 option.    Not sure about R5.

[coffeeshopcoder]

Its not too late to make suggestions

To be honest i suggest to surprise everyone and make the set happen this month instead of November/December 

While 2 other gmk sets already run and people are already committed, imho a bad idea. This is the only set (I know of) that is scheduled for nov/dec, buyers can save up for that time while other gb runners and vendors know not to run a gmk set around that time.
Also isn‘t massdrop rotating between manufacturers each keyset drop? At least that’s what it looked like the past few months.

For me personally - nov/dec makes more sense -- I suspect many will be like me and be getting multiple kits in this drop, so the more time to plan/save the better...

[giammin]

I know it is late but I want to add a suggestion for future sets:

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[T0mb3ry]

I got new Novelkeys x T0mb3ry deskmats samples few days ago and shot some photos for you.

IMG_7371 by T0mb3ry, auf Flickr
IMG_7350 by T0mb3ry, auf Flickr

You will find more photos in following Album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/albums/72157700747190924

Because the deskmats hit my expectations i approved these for the drop on Massdrop which might happen in the near future.

[peggisan]

any chance of getting a vimkeys?

[distracteddev]

stoked on the deskmat. Definitely in.

[thornkin]

+1 on the Vim keys.  Some nice orange HJKL keys would look great.  I like how solarized dark made them part of the spacebars kit so they were optional.  Given all the kits here, perhaps novelties would be a good home for them.

[Vadurr]

I got new Novelkeys x T0mb3ry deskmats samples few days ago and shot some photos for you.

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IMG_7371 by T0mb3ry, auf Flickr

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IMG_7350 by T0mb3ry, auf Flickr

You will find more photos in following Album:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/151659186@N03/albums/72157700747190924

Because the deskmats hit my expectations i approved these for the drop on Massdrop which might happen in the near future.

How thick are these deskmats?

[regionfree]

The November or December release date is unacceptable. I want this NOW!

[Poesjuh]

@T0mb3ry
I know this is a look into the future kind of question, but I’m wondering if you have any idea what the various kits are gonna cost approximately. Or, if you have done any kits in the past that we might be able to compare it with.

Trying to decide how much money to save up


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[mgsickler]

How thick are these deskmats?

They are 900x400x4mm

[T0mb3ry]

@T0mb3ry
I know this is a look into the future kind of question, but I’m wondering if you have any idea what the various kits are gonna cost approximately. Or, if you have done any kits in the past that we might be able to compare it with.

Trying to decide how much money to save up


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Its quite difficult to assume. The calculation is very complex from GMKs site and there is also MD calculation. Tho you should keep in mind base sets will cost between 150 and 170 dollars at 250 MOQ, due to the new molds and very generous coverage. The approx pricing for other kits you can derive from recent GMK drops. For example i think extension alphas will cost between 70 and 90 dollars at 100 MOQ. Assembly kit probably between 90 and 120 dollars at 100 MOQ.

Best you can do is to count keys in a kit and multiply it with 1$ per key. This way you will get an very rough approx value. Keep in mind the 1$ key ratio applies most of the time only to base kits since those are large. Smaller kits have worse dollar per key ratio.

Very important Everything said above are my assumption for the lowest MOQ (worst case scenario). So take it with a grain of salt! The more kits are sold the cheaper they get. By how much? I have no idea.

[ideus]

@T0mb3ry
I know this is a look into the future kind of question, but I’m wondering if you have any idea what the various kits are gonna cost approximately. Or, if you have done any kits in the past that we might be able to compare it with.

Trying to decide how much money to save up


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Its quite difficult to assume. The calculation is very complex from GMKs site and there is also MD calculation. Tho you should keep in mind base sets will cost between 150 and 170 dollars at 250 MOQ, due to the new molds and very generous coverage. The approx pricing for other kits you can derive from recent GMK drops. For example i think extension alphas will cost between 70 and 90 dollars at 100 MOQ. Assembly kit probably between 90 and 120 dollars at 100 MOQ.

Best you can do is to count keys in a kit and multiply it with 1$ per key. This way you will get an very rough approx value. Keep in mind the 1$ key ratio applies most of the time only to base kits since those are large. Smaller kits have worse dollar per key ratio.

Very important Everything said above are my assumption for the lowest MOQ (worst case scenario). So take it with a grain of salt! The more kits are sold the cheaper they get. By how much? I have no idea.

Thank you for the tip.

[8six753o9]

Hi T0mb3ry,

I know you don't want to add more keys to your set, but I was just wondering if you would be able to add an extra Tab key to both the core sets just like what Zambumon was planning to do with Chocolatier.  This will allow people to have an extra set of modifiers so they can have 2 layouts.  For example, (1) TKL with Core Bones and (1) HHKB layout with the remaining modifiers w/ Bone Alphas.

[OracleKev]

Hi T0mb3ry,

I know you don't want to add more keys to your set, but I was just wondering if you would be able to add an extra Tab key to both the core sets just like what Zambumon was planning to do with Chocolatier.  This will allow people to have an extra set of modifiers so they can have 2 layouts.  For example, (1) TKL with Core Bones and (1) HHKB layout with the remaining modifiers w/ Bone Alphas.

This would be very nice

[T0mb3ry]

Hi T0mb3ry,

I know you don't want to add more keys to your set, but I was just wondering if you would be able to add an extra Tab key to both the core sets just like what Zambumon was planning to do with Chocolatier.  This will allow people to have an extra set of modifiers so they can have 2 layouts.  For example, (1) TKL with Core Bones and (1) HHKB layout with the remaining modifiers w/ Bone Alphas.

Sounds interesting. I'll look into it.

[hansichen]

Hi T0mb3ry,

I know you don't want to add more keys to your set, but I was just wondering if you would be able to add an extra Tab key to both the core sets just like what Zambumon was planning to do with Chocolatier.  This will allow people to have an extra set of modifiers so they can have 2 layouts.  For example, (1) TKL with Core Bones and (1) HHKB layout with the remaining modifiers w/ Bone Alphas.

Nice to see that this idea is finally getting mainstream, I proposed that ages ago in a different IC and I was fully ignored  )

I really like this idea cause we have 2 full bottom rows, we have 2 ansi 2,25u shift keys so you can build one board with 2,75u and one with 1,75u right shift, you have several caps keys so you won't lack one there. There are two enter keys available, one coloured and one gray. The only missing keys are the tab key and you have to find a proper way to include the backspace as only one 2u key is included, but as already mentioned you can go for a hhkb build which is very popular in general.

[T0mb3ry]

People who ask for row 4 kit. Look at this kit and how many keys it needs to make it compatible with the both base sets. This kit will cost at least 70 $ if not more. I dont think there will be enough people who will pay 70+ just for the bottom row. In this regard i cant offer such kit because its not feasible.


Edit: i apologize for the typo in the kit name...