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Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« on: Mon, 24 September 2012, 03:11:26 »
okay, I've got this idea, wondering if anyone thought about something similar (or actually tried it)

- get a dye sub printer and inks
- make a mold (only the female part, ie. the key top) with heat resistant silicone
- print the legend on heat transfer paper
- cut the legend and place it into the heat resistant mold
- preheat the keycap
- put the keycap into the silicone mold and apply pressure
- heat the keycap+silicone+transfer paper with a professional heat blower or a press
- wait 20-30 seconds
- ta-dan!

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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 24 September 2012, 03:47:36 »
I don't know for sure, but my guess is that the ink used for dye-sublimation on paper is different than the one used for dye-sublimation on key caps.

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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 24 September 2012, 03:54:53 »
that wouldn't be the normal dye sub ink, it's a special ink made for heat transfer paper (to dye sub on mouse pads, mugs, plates, ...).

edit: something like this http://www.sublimation.com/consumer-division/sublimation-ink/sublijet-iq/epson-workforce-30-inkjet-printer
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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 25 September 2012, 23:43:41 »
not crazy at all. basically what's being done by the larger rigs but at a smaller scale. you can dye sub many materials this way actually. the trick is really getting reliable results out of your dye sub printer and inks. unless you do indexed color and multiple passes with a very stable jig, it's much much harder to get reliable, repeatable and predictable results than you would think.

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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 26 September 2012, 20:43:10 »
i've been toying with a similar idea.

take blank white or ivory PBT keys and print legends with "permanent" marker (or other mask not effected by water or heat), then RIT dye the key to very dark. finish by removing the mask with nail polish remover/alcohol/mek to make a black key with white legends.

my handwriting is atrocious, but if it works, i would send a set of blank keys to a calligraphy vendor on etsy.

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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 04 October 2012, 16:28:15 »
Hm, so I'm about to get some stock blank PBTs from SP. Has anyone succeeded in any form with a DIY dye-sub? It might be a pretty neat experiment.
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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 05 October 2012, 01:47:22 »
Matt3o, sounds like a great idea. But you try it out first and let me know how it works out lol. Concept does sound good on paper, not sure if it's practical though.

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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 05 October 2012, 03:47:09 »
If I find a bargain dye sub kit I'll try it out. I believe it would need a lot of practice to get nice results, but it could work.

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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 19 August 2013, 12:51:25 »
Folks seem to have success dying entire PBT keys with dye by submerging them in a vat of Rit or Dylon dye.  However, you can't make a legend if the whole key is dyed... which gets me thinking: I used to make Ukrainian-style Easter eggs, and the same process could be followed for DIY dye-sublimation without need for an expensive printer or ink (I don't know how much the printers are, but surely a couple packets of dye would cost less?)

When making Ukrainian Easter eggs, hot wax is applied to the surface of an egg to mask the area and keep it the egg's current colour.  When the egg is submerged in a dye, the colour of the dye is added to/mixed with the colour of the exposed areas of the egg, but the areas that are covered in wax are unaffected.  The process might go as follows: first white areas are masked, then yellow is added, the yellow areas are masked, then blue is added, the now green areas are masked, and finally, red is added causing all of the remaining areas to turn black.

The only issue is that the hot metal tool that is used to melt and apply wax to eggs would probably deform a plastic key and the wax might melt off in a warm bath of dye.  However, you could try a mask material that isn't so reliant on heat. 

The easiest method I can think of for this would be to mask the area you want to dye with a sticker and paint the area that you don't want to dye with a clear coat.  You can buy peel and stick letters, but it might be tricky to get a good font of the right size.  You could make your own sticker by printing out the characters you want on paper, applying some double-sided tape to the reverse side (the good stuff with a layer of wax paper attached), and cutting them out with an exacto knife.
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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 19 August 2013, 20:20:52 »
i recently tried using fingernail polish to mask the top of a PBT cap before a dye job; it didn't work. i only waited 2 hours for it to dry, so waiting more time might help.

but while i was at KeyCon, Binge showed me some caps made by another GHer with a splatter pattern on them - Elmers glue.

i'll give both and a few more ideas a try soon and post the results.

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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 21 August 2013, 11:12:43 »
If I find a bargain dye sub kit I'll try it out. I believe it would need a lot of practice to get nice results, but it could work.

It should definitely be possible. There are all sorts of kits out there for dyesub work. My favorite is a coffee cup press -- it's just like a platter press (big flat heating pad comes down onto a same-sized platter -- except it's cylindrical! There's no reason why it couldn't work. From a logistical standpoint, it would be a lot easier to build some sort of carrier to hold multiple keycaps at once, and then print the images on paper, and then sublimate multiple keycaps in one pass.

My guess is that this is what Unicomp is doing now. If you look at some of their "Geekhack" keys, the legend appears in multiple locations -- not always consistent. Dyesubbing a single key at a time is possible, but probably very, very tedious. If the keycap blanks are cheap enough, you might have a few 'bad' prints, and it wouldn't matter so much.

Any luck on the project, Matt?
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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 22 August 2013, 03:05:06 »
Any luck on the project, Matt?

the cost of BPT caps even blank is holding me back. Theoretically seems feasible but I bet you are going to waste a hell lot of caps until you find the perfect config.

I actually found a 3D vacuum heat transfer kit... we could even dyesub the sides of the key. but it goes for $1600 + the printer/inks.

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« Reply #12 on: Thu, 22 August 2013, 05:13:27 »
I've also seen some injection molding machines for maybe a little higher. I wonder if it would make sense for GH to fund a groupbuy to purchase a GH-owned injection machine. People who pay into the GB would get more access to the machine's output, discounts on future keycaps, etc. You would still have to fund making molds, though.
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« Reply #13 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 13:44:54 »
I am work on this, pls gief monies.

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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 14:15:12 »
On a similar note, my dad said he still has a plate maker from his print shop he had to shut down, so we've been looking at seeing if we could make our own UV printing or pad printing setup.

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 14:25:09 »
I am work on this, pls gief monies.

LOL, yeah right -- you can handle the molten ABS!
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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 07 November 2013, 14:36:56 »
LOL, yeah right -- you can handle the molten ABS!

I seriously am working on finding a way to do this sub-$500. Just gotta learn how to metalwork.

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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 27 December 2013, 16:19:56 »
I did it.


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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 27 December 2013, 16:43:17 »
cool! thanks for sharing!

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Care to share the website?

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« Reply #23 on: Sat, 28 December 2013, 04:19:11 »
Very clever to build a case up around the keys. What material did you use? And how about the cylindrical shape of the keys ... How did you overcome that issue? Keys look professional!
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« Reply #24 on: Sat, 28 December 2013, 07:45:51 »
i think that it is mold silicone like this.
http://www.smooth-on.com/Silicone-Rubber-an/c2_1113_1136/index.html

the cylindrical shape problem is resolved by printing to thermoplastic film. the holes in the mold around the keys allow a vacuum (underneath) to pull the film tight against the tops of the caps. it looks like he uses a standard hot air gun to apply heat.

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« Reply #25 on: Sat, 28 December 2013, 18:56:40 »
About cylindrical shape problem, as wcass said, I resolved by vacuum form. It is known as 3D sublimation. It follows gentle curved surface well. To avoid steep curve, I carved some edges of the mount. Keys' far and near side center make gaps between the mount.

About the mount's material, they are all plaster. Very fragile, maybe not usable so many times, but cheap and easy to handle. Good for test.

Just for your information, silicone rubber expands much under high temperature. I saw it when I printed the keys (3D sublimation uses flexible silicone sheet as cover). Coefficient of thermal expansion may be important for the mount's material. The best material may be PBT, but I have no resort to mold PBT.

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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 28 December 2013, 23:45:02 »
You mention in your blog about dye-sub ink, an inkjet printer which accepts this ink, and the transfer paper.  To locate this stuff would one simple search for the following words,

1.  Inkjet printer.

2.  Dye-sub ink.

3. Thermoplastic film

Will these key phrases return a number of results?
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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 29 December 2013, 04:09:17 »
dye sublimation ink is solid. a piezo style inkjet printer will NOT print dye sublimation inks. you need a solid ink thermal transfer printer for this in addition to your sublimation press and other jigs.

also, while there may or may not exist reliable low temperature dyesub inks (the jury is still out on this one as far as i'm concerned), high temperature dyesub inks will definitely remelt ABS caps.

finally, DO NOT TRY TO DYESUB ACETAL/DELRIN/POM CAPS WITHOUT ADEQUATE VENTILATION. there are formulations of acetal out there that outgas formaldehyde (much like PTFE does) at 100-180-ish celsius.

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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 29 December 2013, 04:16:00 »
Inkjet printer and dye-sub ink is usual things, I suppose. Actually I bought them as a product bundling from a seller in Japan. Weird strange shop. But the printer is normal brand new EPSON Japan model, PX-105,  4 color pigment ink low-end model. The shop explains that the printer for sublimation should be pigment ink printer. Search at amazon.com with "non oem ink sublimation" for more details.

Thermoplastic film is a problem. In conclusion, I bought from Shenzhen Basya http://www.aliexpress.com/store/735699. The item name was "A4 size transparent film for 3D blank phone case sublimation." But now the item page shows "Sorry, this item is no longer available!" Substitute can be found by searching "3D sublimation film", but I hear, the gold film is not as good as transparent one. You may ask Shenzhen Basya directly.

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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 29 December 2013, 07:55:52 »
dye sublimation ink is solid. a piezo style inkjet printer will NOT print dye sublimation inks. you need a solid ink thermal transfer printer for this in addition to your sublimation press and other jigs.

I hate to differ (ok, that's a lie) but yes, there are liquid dye sublimation inks. I print to paper with dye sublimation inks all day -- and I do it with piezoelectric inkjet printers. Try a company named Sawgrass to see the liquid inks. Now, as far as the temperature is concerned, yes -- these inks that I use do require a high temperature before they sublimate. I pass everything through either a fixation unit or a heat press. So those inks might not be ideal for what you're doing. Where are you getting your film from, and how are you printing it?

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also, while there may or may not exist reliable low temperature dyesub inks (the jury is still out on this one as far as i'm concerned), high temperature dyesub inks will definitely remelt ABS caps.

There probably are lower temp dyesub inks at this point, but there might be other ways to achieve a good result: maybe reduce the dwell time and put down more ink? I think a platen/press sort of setup might be easier, and make the process more consistent. There are secondhand heat presses that might work, with some fiddling.

EDIT: http://www.sawgrassink.com/v.php?pg=571
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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 29 December 2013, 09:08:26 »
remember how well PBT takes iDye (and the old RIT dye). lots of sources will tell you that PBT starts breaking down in water/steam above 60 C. I read somewhere that this process starts with the plastic becoming "semipermeable" which might allow dye to penetrate. when the plastic cools, it would trap the dye just below the surface. might this explain nkzt's good results on PBT caps while his PVC caps failed?

also, i think that the only "press" he is using is the vacuum pressure sucking down the film (nkzt, please correct me if i am wrong). heat is supplied by a standard hot air gun. i think that a rework station would work better (better nozzle selection and very fine control of air temperature and volume).

something that might work for the base - perhaps better than plaster; modeling clay like this which is almost as cheap as plaster.


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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 29 December 2013, 16:56:24 »
dye sublimation ink is solid. a piezo style inkjet printer will NOT print dye sublimation inks. you need a solid ink thermal transfer printer for this in addition to your sublimation press and other jigs.

I hate to differ (ok, that's a lie) but yes, there are liquid dye sublimation inks. I print to paper with dye sublimation inks all day -- and I do it with piezoelectric inkjet printers. Try a company named Sawgrass to see the liquid inks. Now, as far as the temperature is concerned, yes -- these inks that I use do require a high temperature before they sublimate. I pass everything through either a fixation unit or a heat press. So those inks might not be ideal for what you're doing. Where are you getting your film from, and how are you printing it?

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also, while there may or may not exist reliable low temperature dyesub inks (the jury is still out on this one as far as i'm concerned), high temperature dyesub inks will definitely remelt ABS caps.

There probably are lower temp dyesub inks at this point, but there might be other ways to achieve a good result: maybe reduce the dwell time and put down more ink? I think a platen/press sort of setup might be easier, and make the process more consistent. There are secondhand heat presses that might work, with some fiddling.

EDIT: http://www.sawgrassink.com/v.php?pg=571
yah, i've talked to sawgrass. they do have some liquids, but the sublimation process is still very high temp and i think the liquids require you to use their transfer substrate, no?.


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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
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yah, i've talked to sawgrass. they do have some liquids, but the sublimation process is still very high temp and i think the liquids require you to use their transfer substrate, no?.

No, you don't have to use their transfer paper. There are other vendors for the paper. Check out Beaver Paper for some transfer papers.
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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 01 January 2014, 08:45:22 »
also, i think that the only "press" he is using is the vacuum pressure sucking down the film (nkzt, please correct me if i am wrong). heat is supplied by a standard hot air gun. i think that a rework station would work better (better nozzle selection and very fine control of air temperature and volume).

The vacuum used to hold the film in place is awesome -- but how consistent is the gun? A press like the one shown here would be a lot better.

http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/2055130/32551641/0/1368586838/Highly_safety_T-shirt_heat_press_machine.jpg

The padding on the top half of the press is heat resistant and can mold down onto a slightly irregular surface. nkzt has made the surface a lot less irregular with his jig, enough so that it might work with this kind of press.
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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 01 January 2014, 23:55:06 »
also, i think that the only "press" he is using is the vacuum pressure sucking down the film (nkzt, please correct me if i am wrong). heat is supplied by a standard hot air gun. i think that a rework station would work better (better nozzle selection and very fine control of air temperature and volume).

The vacuum used to hold the film in place is awesome -- but how consistent is the gun? A press like the one shown here would be a lot better.

http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/2055130/32551641/0/1368586838/Highly_safety_T-shirt_heat_press_machine.jpg

The padding on the top half of the press is heat resistant and can mold down onto a slightly irregular surface. nkzt has made the surface a lot less irregular with his jig, enough so that it might work with this kind of press.

Yes, wcass, I use only vacuum pressure for pressing the film.

I feel difficulties about temperature control. Rework station or T-shirt heat press may be the answer, but they are too expensive and I have no friends who have those things.

Besides those expensive instruments will keep most people off DIYing keycaps. I hope many people DIYs keycaps and sells them at eBay or Etsy. I want to see various keycaps! My instruments are under $700 overall, including inkjet printer, excluding vacuum cleaner and PC :).

remember how well PBT takes iDye (and the old RIT dye). lots of sources will tell you that PBT starts breaking down in water/steam above 60 C. I read somewhere that this process starts with the plastic becoming "semipermeable" which might allow dye to penetrate. when the plastic cools, it would trap the dye just below the surface. might this explain nkzt's good results on PBT caps while his PVC caps failed?

The only PBT cap I printed is blue one. That is an accessory of Keycool keyboard. White caps are all ABS. ABS caps soften up around 100℃, therefore dye-sub is almost impossible. PBT caps don't soften up around 160℃, I hear. I bought the ABS caps because I misunderstood they are PBT... I hope PBT caps simplify the temperature control.

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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 01 January 2014, 23:59:14 »
yah, i've talked to sawgrass. they do have some liquids, but the sublimation process is still very high temp and i think the liquids require you to use their transfer substrate, no?.

No, you don't have to use their transfer paper. There are other vendors for the paper. Check out Beaver Paper for some transfer papers.
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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 02 January 2014, 02:45:50 »
I've found an incredibly good paper for sublimation, it's not actually paper, but a series of films (PET thermo-forming+metal+coating for dye inks). It's called gold film and it basically wraps around objects and sticks on them. It's incredibly good for 3d sublimation.

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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 02 January 2014, 19:47:23 »
Matt3o, did you get gold film? Is it translucent? If impenetrable to light, inconvenient with alignment, I suppose. If gold film is good enough, that's a good news.

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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 03 January 2014, 01:39:27 »
no, it's not transparent but you can slightly see through. basically you need guides to make a very precise work. I'm trying to get my hands on it and make some tests.

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 03 January 2014, 01:52:41 »
Watching this with great interest. Would love to be able to DIY the missing caps to fill out Cherry Dye Sub sets for my Pure.
It's a good width!  If it's half-width it's too narrow, and full-width is too wide. 

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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 05:52:14 »
Suggestion: maybe use this film/dyesub to make more "artistic" keycaps to start, rather than just reproductions.

EDIT: What I mean is, let's take the film, brush on some ink in an artistic way, let it dry, and then layer multiple colors onto some PBT caps. Sure, it might look like every color was just painted on, but it would still technically be dyesubbed. Maybe a decoupage or watercolor effect could be achieved? And we wouldn't have to fuss over getting everything "perfect" with a printer or get a perfect alphanumeric imprint.
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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 20:45:59 »
Suggestion: maybe use this film/dyesub to make more "artistic" keycaps to start, rather than just reproductions.

EDIT: What I mean is, let's take the film, brush on some ink in an artistic way, let it dry, and then layer multiple colors onto some PBT caps. Sure, it might look like every color was just painted on, but it would still technically be dyesubbed. Maybe a decoupage or watercolor effect could be achieved? And we wouldn't have to fuss over getting everything "perfect" with a printer or get a perfect alphanumeric imprint.

hmm, Jacquard's Dye-Na-Flow ink may be the answer. http://www.amazon.com/Jacquard-Products-Dye-Na-Flow-Exciter-9-Color/dp/B0006IKE70/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1389061384&sr=8-3&keywords=dye+paint

Hand drawings for hand-touching plastic commodity seems cool. Handle of umbrella, iPhone case, wallet etc... And keycap, of course.

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« Reply #42 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 00:39:17 »
I've found an incredibly good paper for sublimation, it's not actually paper, but a series of films (PET thermo-forming+metal+coating for dye inks). It's called gold film and it basically wraps around objects and sticks on them. It's incredibly good for 3d sublimation.
do you know the set of people who make this? it sounds like either a saint-gobain or dupont thing. not a lot of companies have the facilities to bond metal to PET without any adhesive

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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 01:48:25 »
I've found an incredibly good paper for sublimation, it's not actually paper, but a series of films (PET thermo-forming+metal+coating for dye inks). It's called gold film and it basically wraps around objects and sticks on them. It's incredibly good for 3d sublimation.
do you know the set of people who make this? it sounds like either a saint-gobain or dupont thing. not a lot of companies have the facilities to bond metal to PET without any adhesive

not yet. I'm trying to get in touch with the company, Xmas holiday officially ended yesterday in Italy (the 6th of Jan is the silliest of the Italian festivities, we celebrate an old witch who uses her broom to clean your house and leaves candies for kids... no kidding, it's a pagan thing). Today or tomorrow I should know better.

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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 03:02:00 »
I've found an incredibly good paper for sublimation, it's not actually paper, but a series of films (PET thermo-forming+metal+coating for dye inks). It's called gold film and it basically wraps around objects and sticks on them. It's incredibly good for 3d sublimation.
do you know the set of people who make this? it sounds like either a saint-gobain or dupont thing. not a lot of companies have the facilities to bond metal to PET without any adhesive

Isn't it metallised film? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallised_film

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Re: Dye-sub DIY (crazy idea?)
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 07:18:51 »
Suggestion: maybe use this film/dyesub to make more "artistic" keycaps to start, rather than just reproductions.

EDIT: What I mean is, let's take the film, brush on some ink in an artistic way, let it dry, and then layer multiple colors onto some PBT caps. Sure, it might look like every color was just painted on, but it would still technically be dyesubbed. Maybe a decoupage or watercolor effect could be achieved? And we wouldn't have to fuss over getting everything "perfect" with a printer or get a perfect alphanumeric imprint.

hmm, Jacquard's Dye-Na-Flow ink may be the answer. http://www.amazon.com/Jacquard-Products-Dye-Na-Flow-Exciter-9-Color/dp/B0006IKE70/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1389061384&sr=8-3&keywords=dye+paint

Hand drawings for hand-touching plastic commodity seems cool. Handle of umbrella, iPhone case, wallet etc... And keycap, of course.

More on this Dye-Na-Color here.

I'm picturing finding the film, and painting directly using the ink (perhaps this product) and then letting it dry, and using the torch method you used to try to get some interesting patterns. Maybe something can be placed on the keycap prior to this, to mask it?
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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 08:56:11 »
something like this


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« Reply #47 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 10:11:05 »
something like this

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Yeah, or even a solid color, or brushstroke of color, and then layer them. To do a single legend perfectly is probably going to be tough -- but an artistic design that could survive a minor inconsistency and still look good would make it easier to get some experience.
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« Reply #48 on: Tue, 07 January 2014, 10:30:51 »
something like this

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Now that's pretty original.

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« Reply #49 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 02:54:09 »
something like this

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Yeah, or even a solid color, or brushstroke of color, and then layer them. To do a single legend perfectly is probably going to be tough -- but an artistic design that could survive a minor inconsistency and still look good would make it easier to get some experience.

Oh, you talk about fine art's painting technique like drybrush. I misunderstood.

BTW, I ordered PBT white blank keycaps at here http://www.buychina.com/items/keycool-kay-cool-84-87-104-pbt-pom-abs-cap-kit-upptqlsorpo,  but they said out of stock, and they didn't change the item page yet... I cancelled the order and went to keycapsdirect. Now I'm waiting for their DSA PBT keycaps. I want DCS too. Please recommend me nice DCS PBT white blank keycaps.
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