Why do I not feel like the HHKB is superior?

[Sagii]

Well, okey, I'll admit it, the title isn't too appropriate, but it's a play on my last thread "WHY is the HHKB superior?"
I've now had my HHKB Pro 2 for maybe a month or so, and I just simply don't like it. I just can't fall in love with it. And I can't really figure out why. I like the layout 'n all that, but I still can't get myself to like it. Whenever I type on it, it just feels awkward. I thought it was just me having to get used to it, and so I've kept using it, but to no avail. What bothers me the most is the height/keytravel.
However, all mechs have a farther travel than the traditional RB, so maybe it's the mechanical switches in general that I don't like? Maybe all I need to do is change my keycap profile to DCS or something, who knows!

Anywhoo, I'm now considering to sell my HHKB Pro 2 and get something else. To venture deeper into the dungeons of mechanical keyboards! Anyone got some advice for a still pretty new newbie, who wants to learn even more? Where to start?
I kinda want to see if it's the HHKB in particular, or mechs in general that I don't like O_o
What do you guys say? A poker 2 with some custom caps (preferably DCS), a ducky tkl, or maybe even a choc mini?

[jdcarpe]

Why do I not feel like the HHKB is superior?

Because you're wrong?


) ) )

[Sagii]

Why do I not feel like the HHKB is superior?

Because you're wrong?


) ) )

Touchè, mein freund.

[Puddsy]

I don;t like it either. You're not weird.

[Sagii]

I don;t like it either. You're not weird.

Good to hear ) But I can't figure out if it's 'cause I don't like mechanicals, or because I don't like the HHKB (not expecting you guys to answer that question for me). That's why I want to dwelve deeper

[cphead]

You haven't tried any of the cherry mx switches? Although if you don't like the travel after a month maybe you're destined to use scissor switches =p

[jameslr]

That's the reason I sold mine. I could never get used to the layout. It had its advantages, but I still strongly prefer a standard US ANSI TKL.

[Thimplum]

Topre is very much a love it or hate it sort of thing. Disliking Topre does NOT mean that you don't like any mechanical boards, it just means that you don't like that particular switch. Try something like a Model M or Cherry Blues if you get the chance, you might like those.

[hwood34]

MX master race

[exitfire401]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference...Gonna go with JD on this one though and say you're wrong  )

[Sagii]

That's the reason I sold mine. I could never get used to the layout. It had its advantages, but I still strongly prefer a standard US ANSI TKL.

Thing is.. I got used to the layout I actually really like the layout )

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference...Gonna go with JD on this one though and say you're wrong  )

Good thing this is a forum where free speech is a known human right! ) No, but seriously, I was hoping I was wrong for a long time

[bazh]

it is because you're not joining the Thorpe-side strong enough

[Thimplum]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

[Photekq]

Welcome back thimplum! How's it going dude?

[Thimplum]

Haha, pretty well. How about yourself?

[Sagii]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

[exitfire401]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

Have you tried 55g Topre though? I hated (and still do hate) 45g, but 55g is the best switch I've typed on.

[jdcarpe]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

You should take a break from it. Try MX, Alps, buckling springs, etc. Use those for like a year. Then come back to the HHKB. See if your opinion has changed.

[Sagii]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

Have you tried 55g Topre though? I hated (and still do hate) 45g, but 55g is the best switch I've typed on.

... you shut your mouth. I don't want to spend another 250 bucks!
But in all seriousness; the 45g topre feels too "snappy" at times. And common sense tells me the 55g might be even worse when it comes to that.. but who knows. I can't ever know for sure, unless I try it 

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

You should take a break from it. Try MX, Alps, buckling springs, etc. Use those for like a year. Then come back to the HHKB. See if your opinion has changed.

Yeah, that's kinda what I'm planning atm. We'll see what I end up doing. My reasoning, however, is that if I can't learn to love a keyboard that I've spent 275 bucks on, not even after 1-2 months of constant use, then it probably isn't for me )

[Lurch]

The layout on hhkb is great if you can get used to it.

[Sagii]

The layout on hhkb is great if you can get used to it.

As I've said before, I really like the HHKB layout, so it's not that.

[Beca]

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

Have you tried 55g Topre though? I hated (and still do hate) 45g, but 55g is the best switch I've typed on.

... you shut your mouth. I don't want to spend another 250 bucks!
But in all seriousness; the 45g topre feels too "snappy" at times. And common sense tells me the 55g might be even worse when it comes to that.. but who knows. I can't ever know for sure, unless I try it 

The simple answer is that everybody has a different preference

Agreed.

I learned that the hard way.

+1.. I did however take a shortcut and jumped straight to the "goodies". I just knew I wouldn't ever be satisfied till I tried topre, so I went there first. Now that I know it's really not to my preference I've kinda excluded one of those you just "have to try". )

You should take a break from it. Try MX, Alps, buckling springs, etc. Use those for like a year. Then come back to the HHKB. See if your opinion has changed.

Yeah, that's kinda what I'm planning atm. We'll see what I end up doing. My reasoning, however, is that if I can't learn to love a keyboard that I've spent 275 bucks on, not even after 1-2 months of constant use, then it probably isn't for me )

Try a lube/dental band mod? I've never gone back to my rf 45g after getting a modded fc660c

[osi]

A great sage by the name of eth0s once pointed out an important detail about the hhkb. The name is actually "happy hacking keyboard professional 2".

Noobs need not apply

<3

[Hypersphere]

This is why there are so many choices on the market. You don't have to like the HHKB Pro 2; there is nothing wrong with you if you don't like it.

In my own case, I like the HHKB Pro 2 so much that I bought three of them: one of my home office workstation and two for the two workstations at work. To me, the combination of the 60% form factor, styling/design/symmetry, and the incredible intuitive/efficient layout combine to make a superb keyboard. But is it perfect? No, of course not. On the other hand, there aren't many things I would want to change about it. However, if I could make some changes, here is what they would be:

-- 55g switches.
-- Metal plate.
-- USB-C or micro-USB connector.
-- Bluetooth option.

In my case, I think I would also go for the Type-S option, which already exists, but I do wish they would lower the price for this option.

I also had a Leopold FC660C, but I gave it away because I did not like the layout or keycaps.

I currently have a RF 87 u 55g. I like some things about it better than the HHKB (such as the 55g switches and its more solid sound and feel, probably because of the steel plate), but I switched back to the HHKB Pro 2 because its form factor and layout are more important to me than the other factors.

My other favorite is an IBM XT keyboard that I refurbished and converted to USB with Soarer's Converter. I love the capacitive buckling spring switches and dye-sub PBT keycaps of the XT along with its rugged solid build. But after using it for a while, I always seem to come back to the HHKB Pro 2.

To each his/her own!

[Sagii]

This is why there are so many choices on the market. You don't have to like the HHKB Pro 2; there is nothing wrong with you if you don't like it.

In my own case, I like the HHKB Pro 2 so much that I bought three of them: one of my home office workstation and two for the two workstations at work. To me, the combination of the 60% form factor, styling/design/symmetry, and the incredible intuitive/efficient layout combine to make a superb keyboard. But is it perfect? No, of course not. On the other hand, there aren't many things I would want to change about it. However, if I could make some changes, here is what they would be:

-- 55g switches.
-- Metal plate.
-- USB-C or micro-USB connector.
-- Bluetooth option.

In my case, I think I would also go for the Type-S option, which already exists, but I do wish they would lower the price for this option.

I also had a Leopold FC660C, but I gave it away because I did not like the layout or keycaps.

I currently have a RF 87 u 55g. I like some things about it better than the HHKB (such as the 55g switches and its more solid sound and feel, probably because of the steel plate), but I switched back to the HHKB Pro 2 because its form factor and layout are more important to me than the other factors.

My other favorite is an IBM XT keyboard that I refurbished and converted to USB with Soarer's Converter. I love the capacitive buckling spring switches and dye-sub PBT keycaps of the XT along with its rugged solid build. But after using it for a while, I always seem to come back to the HHKB Pro 2.

To each his/her own!

I really like the form factor.. especially now that I've got a gamepad as well ^^ that's why I'm strongly considering getting a poker 2 + I like the Pn layer. I'm also considering the fm660c (that's mx, right?), so that I can get stock clears (qtan), but I'm not sure yet!

[Hypersphere]

This is why there are so many choices on the market. You don't have to like the HHKB Pro 2; there is nothing wrong with you if you don't like it.

In my own case, I like the HHKB Pro 2 so much that I bought three of them: one of my home office workstation and two for the two workstations at work. To me, the combination of the 60% form factor, styling/design/symmetry, and the incredible intuitive/efficient layout combine to make a superb keyboard. But is it perfect? No, of course not. On the other hand, there aren't many things I would want to change about it. However, if I could make some changes, here is what they would be:

-- 55g switches.
-- Metal plate.
-- USB-C or micro-USB connector.
-- Bluetooth option.

In my case, I think I would also go for the Type-S option, which already exists, but I do wish they would lower the price for this option.

I also had a Leopold FC660C, but I gave it away because I did not like the layout or keycaps.

I currently have a RF 87 u 55g. I like some things about it better than the HHKB (such as the 55g switches and its more solid sound and feel, probably because of the steel plate), but I switched back to the HHKB Pro 2 because its form factor and layout are more important to me than the other factors.

My other favorite is an IBM XT keyboard that I refurbished and converted to USB with Soarer's Converter. I love the capacitive buckling spring switches and dye-sub PBT keycaps of the XT along with its rugged solid build. But after using it for a while, I always seem to come back to the HHKB Pro 2.

To each his/her own!

I really like the form factor.. especially now that I've got a gamepad as well ^^ that's why I'm strongly considering getting a poker 2 + I like the Pn layer. I'm also considering the fm660c (that's mx, right?), so that I can get stock clears (qtan), but I'm not sure yet!

The mx version of the Leo board is the FC660M. I have one with mx blues, but I do not like it much. The FC660C with Topre 45g switches seems infinitely better to me, and because of its steel plate, it sounds and feels more solid than the HHKB Pro 2. But among all the Topre boards I have tried thus far, I still prefer the HHKB Pro 2; it has the best combination of features. I am typing on one now that has a black case, black mods (including a black spacebar), and white alpha and number keys -- it looks great and works well for me. However, I am looking forward to trying the CM Novatouch to see how it compares with the other Topre switch boards on the market.

[rowdy]

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58499.0

Such deja vu.

Very memory.

So search.

Wow!

[Defect]

I don't know what the prices look like for your region, but I still recommend the same thing I recommended when you were first looking for boards:

Make/mod your own! Pick up a cheap decent quality TKL (QFR comes to mind) and get some clears, some blacks, and some lube.  I like to make mini-switch testers on my boards by modding the F-Row (I rarely use anything beyond F5) 

They come in nice 4-key clusters - perfect for switch testing.

When I bring my ducky to work, sometimes I unplug it just to run across the F-Row and re-assure myself that ghost blacks and modded clears are my favorite MX switches.

Also, not sure if it's still going on but I know Sprit had a GB for korean springs.  I recommend 62g, 65g, and then another of your choosing (or just those two).

[Novus]

Great reverse necro thread

[frosty]

it's ok
i say ew to topre everytime i press one

i'm sorry it's just me

[Sagii]

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58499.0

Such deja vu.

Very memory.

So search.

Wow!

Great reverse necro thread

Well, I thought it was fitting.

[Sagii]

I don't know what the prices look like for your region, but I still recommend the same thing I recommended when you were first looking for boards:

Make/mod your own! Pick up a cheap decent quality TKL (QFR comes to mind) and get some clears, some blacks, and some lube.  I like to make mini-switch testers on my boards by modding the F-Row (I rarely use anything beyond F5) 

They come in nice 4-key clusters - perfect for switch testing.

When I bring my ducky to work, sometimes I unplug it just to run across the F-Row and re-assure myself that ghost blacks and modded clears are my favorite MX switches.

Also, not sure if it's still going on but I know Sprit had a GB for korean springs.  I recommend 62g, 65g, and then another of your choosing (or just those two).

I'm definitely considering doing that ^^ you still praise the ghost blacks and panda clears?

[Grim Fandango]

That's the reason I sold mine. I could never get used to the layout. It had its advantages, but I still strongly prefer a standard US ANSI TKL.

I also do not really like the layout. Well, I like it because it looks fantastic, because it is small and centered. But the layout is just not for me, even though I understand others really like it.

The profile of the HHKB is not really that much different to many other keyboards. If that is the thing bothering you, then that probably has to do with you using a lower profile keyboard or keycaps before. Despite what some people claim (about peripherals feeling like instant upgrades) most of the time we are most comfortable with whatever we have been using for a long time. Because muscle memory and overall familiarity with one keyboard, switching to another will not always instantly feel better. Even if that old keyboard was a rubber dome and the new one is a fancy Topre keyboard.

For me, part of what makes the HHKB feel "not special" is the lack of a metal backplate. I am not saying it needs one, just trying to put my finger on why the feel of the HHKB , for me, is slightly worse than some of its competitors.

Kind of amazing that you just got into keyboards and went with the HHKB as your very first one.

[Grim Fandango]

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58499.0

Such deja vu.

Very memory.

So search.

Wow!

 

[Novus]

HHKB TYPE S

[Oobly]

I would recommend the Leopold FC660M with Clears. It has dedicated arrow keys, is plate mounted, etc. One problem for aftermarket caps is the stabiliser stems on the spacebar are not in the standard position, so you either have to find a set with universal / Leopold mounts or modify the spacebar by moving the mounts yourself. Also, the left middle modifier is 1x and the right Shift is 2.25x, same as the left.

If that sounds like too much of a hassle, then the Poker II with Clears is my next recommendation. Completely standard layout and programmable You can fit ANY Cherry MX compatible keycap set on it, except those specifically designed for weird layouts like the G80-1800. Also compatible with most 60% cases and other accessories.

Then get some nice Cherry profile keycaps for it, from the upcoming GMK HyperFuse Group Buy perhaps. GMK makes top quality doubleshot Cherry profile caps (they actually use Cherry's own molds that they bought from them).

P.S. - Are you using a palm rest? Is your chair high enough / desk low enough (so your upper arms are straight down, lower arms at about 90 degrees or lower)? The higher profile of a mechanical board requires a few changes to your desk / chair setup to get the best out of it. I honestly don't think key travel is the main issue here, and it's possible the HHBK isn't either. It makes a world of difference getting the arms / hands / fingers at the right height / angle. Most people have their desk too high, chair too low, keyboard at the wrong angle, not using a rest that keeps the palms / wrists high enough, etc.

[Novus]

Leopold 750R

[Sagii]

I would recommend the Leopold FC660M with Clears. It has dedicated arrow keys, is plate mounted, etc. One problem for aftermarket caps is the stabiliser stems on the spacebar are not in the standard position, so you either have to find a set with universal / Leopold mounts or modify the spacebar by moving the mounts yourself. Also, the left middle modifier is 1x and the right Shift is 2.25x, same as the left.

If that sounds like too much of a hassle, then the Poker II with Clears is my next recommendation. Completely standard layout and programmable You can fit ANY Cherry MX compatible keycap set on it, except those specifically designed for weird layouts like the G80-1800. Also compatible with most 60% cases and other accessories.

Then get some nice Cherry profile keycaps for it, from the upcoming GMK HyperFuse Group Buy perhaps. GMK makes top quality doubleshot Cherry profile caps (they actually use Cherry's own molds that they bought from them).

P.S. - Are you using a palm rest? Is your chair high enough / desk low enough (so your upper arms are straight down, lower arms at about 90 degrees or lower)? The higher profile of a mechanical board requires a few changes to your desk / chair setup to get the best out of it. I honestly don't think key travel is the main issue here, and it's possible the HHBK isn't either. It makes a world of difference getting the arms / hands / fingers at the right height / angle. Most people have their desk too high, chair too low, keyboard at the wrong angle, not using a rest that keeps the palms / wrists high enough, etc.

Sooo many options ) But hell, that's what I like! But yeah.. The three main options I'm considering (AS OF RIGHT NOW, it'll probably change, me knowing myself) are poker 2, CM QFR and the Leopold FC660M with clears. If I buy the Poker2/QFR I'll probably buy them in blacks (as Defect said), and mod them with clears, that way I can try quite a few different versions of the switches. The Poker 2 has never existed with clears, except from massdrop, right?

And I love how the hyperfuse set looks, but I also noticed the granite set on massdrop, which is also awesome. But when it comes to the profile, the cherry is low profile, and DSA (granite) is slightly higher, right? I also know there's a difference in the "tops" form as well ^^' I just like how the granite looks in terms of profile and how they are sculpted

EDIT: Forgot to comment on the ergonomics. But yeah, I believe you're right, my setup is by no stretch of the imagination optimal. But I've tried wristrests and changing my positions, height etc., and I haven't really felt any increase in comfort.

[bueller]

Lubed 62g MX Clears = bliss.

[Magna224]

You should take a break from it. Try MX, Alps, buckling springs, etc. Use those for like a year. Then come back to the HHKB. See if your opinion has changed.

This is not a bad idea. When I first stared getting keyboards my first were MX brown and MX Clear and Blue ALPS. The blue ALPS I loved straight away. The other two I didn't really like or find any interest in the switches so I sold them. After trying all of the common cherry switches, buckling springs, more ALPS, and topre I realized that the MX clears with the MX brown spring from the very beginning were the most suitable switches for my regular keyboard! What I didn't like to start turned up being what I liked the most after gaining all of the experience of other switches.

[Sent]

And I love how the hyperfuse set looks, but I also noticed the granite set on massdrop, which is also awesome. But when it comes to the profile, the cherry is low profile, and DSA (granite) is slightly higher, right? I also know there's a difference in the "tops" form as well ^^' I just like how the granite looks in terms of profile and how they are sculpted

Got it backwards.  Cherry is higher than DSA.  DSA's also uniform with all the caps at the same height.  With Cherry, most of the rows have a different profile so you get a contoured profile instead of a flat one. 

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Keycap_profile
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Signature_Plastics_DSA_family

[Sagii]

And I love how the hyperfuse set looks, but I also noticed the granite set on massdrop, which is also awesome. But when it comes to the profile, the cherry is low profile, and DSA (granite) is slightly higher, right? I also know there's a difference in the "tops" form as well ^^' I just like how the granite looks in terms of profile and how they are sculpted

Got it backwards.  Cherry is higher than DSA.  DSA's also uniform with all the caps at the same height.  With Cherry, most of the rows have a different profile so you get a contoured profile instead of a flat one. 

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Keycap_profile
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Signature_Plastics_DSA_family

Ahh, alright.. cheers, mate. I read about the online, but I obviously got it all mixed up. Good thing I asked )

[cheesedgrate]

I really, really, really love my HHKB but for some reason I wouldn't probably recommend it to anyone as their first mechanical keyboard. It is so understated and smooth that I feel like you really have to have used MX for some time to truly appreciate it. Don't get me wrong, I still break out my Filco with Blues from time to time but I instantly fell in love with my HHKB when I got it around 5 months ago. It is such a pure and beautifully understated experience compared to Cherry MX, in my opinion.

I'd say that you shouldn't sell your HHKB. You might really regret it later. Get a reasonably priced Cherry MX keyboard and try it for a while and try the HHKB again after that. You might surprised about your reaction.

[Sagii]

I really, really, really love my HHKB but for some reason I wouldn't probably recommend it to anyone as their first mechanical keyboard. It is so understated and smooth that I feel like you really have to have used MX for some time to truly appreciate it. Don't get me wrong, I still break out my Filco with Blues from time to time but I instantly fell in love with my HHKB when I got it around 5 months ago. It is such a pure and beautifully understated experience compared to Cherry MX, in my opinion.

I'd say that you shouldn't sell your HHKB. You might really regret it later. Get a reasonably priced Cherry MX keyboard and try it for a while and try the HHKB again after that. You might surprised about your reaction.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying here, but I'm no position of having the luxury to buy several boards at once ) I'm a fresh student at uni, mate!

Anywhoo, I believe I haven't mentioned this anywhere in this thread yet; the keycaps on the HHKB feels way too slippery.. there's no "grip" to it. I tried some ABS caps on a Razer BW, and they felt better in terms of that, even though they felt more plasticish and cheap.

[Sagii]

I really, really, really love my HHKB but for some reason I wouldn't probably recommend it to anyone as their first mechanical keyboard. It is so understated and smooth that I feel like you really have to have used MX for some time to truly appreciate it. Don't get me wrong, I still break out my Filco with Blues from time to time but I instantly fell in love with my HHKB when I got it around 5 months ago. It is such a pure and beautifully understated experience compared to Cherry MX, in my opinion.

I'd say that you shouldn't sell your HHKB. You might really regret it later. Get a reasonably priced Cherry MX keyboard and try it for a while and try the HHKB again after that. You might surprised about your reaction.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying here, but I'm no position of having the luxury to buy several boards at once ) I'm a fresh student at uni, mate!

Anywhoo, I believe I haven't mentioned this anywhere in this thread yet; the keycaps on the HHKB feels way too slippery.. there's no "grip" to it. I tried some ABS caps on a Razer BW, and they felt better in terms of that, even though they felt more plasticish and cheap.

[Sagii]

I really, really, really love my HHKB but for some reason I wouldn't probably recommend it to anyone as their first mechanical keyboard. It is so understated and smooth that I feel like you really have to have used MX for some time to truly appreciate it. Don't get me wrong, I still break out my Filco with Blues from time to time but I instantly fell in love with my HHKB when I got it around 5 months ago. It is such a pure and beautifully understated experience compared to Cherry MX, in my opinion.

I'd say that you shouldn't sell your HHKB. You might really regret it later. Get a reasonably priced Cherry MX keyboard and try it for a while and try the HHKB again after that. You might surprised about your reaction.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying here, but I'm no position of having the luxury to buy several boards at once ) I'm a fresh student at uni, mate!

Anywhoo, I believe I haven't mentioned this anywhere in this thread yet; the keycaps on the HHKB feels way too slippery.. there's no "grip" to it. I tried some ABS caps on a Razer BW, and they felt better in terms of that, even though they felt more plasticish and cheap.

[osi]

The stock keycaps that come with the HHKB are not slick to me at least.  Actually I'd say there is a fair amount of texture on the keycaps. Arguably the best stock caps that can be received on a board

[frosty]

The stock keycaps that come with the HHKB are not slick to me at least.  Actually I'd say there is a fair amount of texture on the keycaps. Arguably the best stock caps that can be received on a board

what about the old cherry keyboards, or the thick pbt pokers? *cries*

[frosty]

The stock keycaps that come with the HHKB are not slick to me at least.  Actually I'd say there is a fair amount of texture on the keycaps. Arguably the best stock caps that can be received on a board

tapatalk screwed up ;-( sorry!

[frosty]

The stock keycaps that come with the HHKB are not slick to me at least.  Actually I'd say there is a fair amount of texture on the keycaps. Arguably the best stock caps that can be received on a board

tapatalk screwed up ;-( sorry!