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Title: thank you all so much
Post by: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 09:44:15
thank you, geekhack.

thank you, keyboarding community.

thank you for cultivating an ideology of form over function.

thank you for all your hard work and dedication, diligently stripping vintage computers of their input devices. after all, what does it matter to you? you don't own one.

it's nice to know that some of these are impossible to find because of fine folks like you displaying them in glass cases so you can show off to uninterested friends and family. what use do you have for them beyond aesthetics? none.

go ahead, keep making teensy adapters for keyboards you'll use once or twice before realizing what everyone else already knew- a modern keyboard is usually better!

your hoarding of vintage keyboards is disgusting. give them up to people who actually need them.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Faceman76 on Sat, 28 May 2022, 10:03:36
Awww...show us where the keyboard hurt you.

Sent from my SM-S908U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 10:04:46
Quote from: Faceman76 on Sat, 28 May 2022, 10:03:36
Awww...show us where the keyboard hurt you.

Sent from my SM-S908U using Tapatalk
mature response from the average redditor with a mind of a child.

you're all neckbeard losers, really, showing off your collections to each other because nobody in your real life cares.

**** yourselves!
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: dgneo on Sat, 28 May 2022, 11:23:13
LOL
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Post by: pwade3 on Sat, 28 May 2022, 11:40:01
You might head over to deskthority if you wanna whine about vintage stuff.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Sat, 28 May 2022, 11:41:38
Why do you need vintage computer systems?
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: 7h3of7 on Sat, 28 May 2022, 11:43:47
Cry about it.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: anatworkaccount on Sat, 28 May 2022, 12:13:19
I'ma let you in on a secret. Modern computers are better too.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: badchad on Sat, 28 May 2022, 12:32:32
welcome
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 28 May 2022, 12:32:55
So who "actually needs" vintage keyboards? Who said we're not using them? Anyway, keyboards are cool.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: eggplanthero on Sat, 28 May 2022, 12:36:32
You're right.. It doesn't matter to me
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Post by: Hodgeman on Sat, 28 May 2022, 12:46:12
can you please post more its very funny

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Post by: chamelemon_64 on Sat, 28 May 2022, 12:54:04

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Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: mmontess on Sat, 28 May 2022, 12:56:04
What the **** did you just ****ing say about me, you little *****? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the **** out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my ****ing words. You think you can get away with saying that **** to me over the Internet? Think again, ****er. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're ****ing dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little ****. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your ****ing tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will **** fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're ****ing dead, kiddo.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: lbassett21 on Sat, 28 May 2022, 12:59:23
Ok lol
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Post by: Eastji on Sat, 28 May 2022, 13:21:00
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: TheInverseKey on Sat, 28 May 2022, 13:48:06
No problem. I hope that this haunts you at night enough to make another post in this recurring nightmare...

You can run but you cannot hide!
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: dondongler on Sat, 28 May 2022, 13:50:31
Cum
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 13:50:51
Quote from: TheInverseKey on Sat, 28 May 2022, 13:48:06
No problem. I hope that this haunts you at night enough to make another post in this recurring nightmare...

You can run but you cannot hide!
it's fine, i just had to get it off my chest. fact of the matter is your little circlejerk is pathetic to everyone but you. seriously, have you ever tried talking to a normal person about keyboards the way you neckbeard freaks talk about them?

go outside for once, good lord!
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 13:52:34
these keyboards belong in the hands of enthusiasts who will actually use and appreciate them with the original hardware, not in glass cases next to your deadpool and legend of zelda funko pops you fat reddit losers
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: panka on Sat, 28 May 2022, 13:53:30
GAHAHA THIS IS GOLD, THANK YOU
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Hodgeman on Sat, 28 May 2022, 13:54:15
yeah you ****in nerds, touch some grass!
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Fraaaan on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:01:50
Stay mad. Stay bad.

Sent from my vintage keyboard without its PC counterpart using Tapatalk.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: lbassett21 on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:03:41
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:08:32
Quote from: chamelemon_64 on Sat, 28 May 2022, 12:54:04

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guy with doge avatar buying the thing he saw on reddit just so he can show it off on reddit, checks out

how's the autism?
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Rejeckted on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:10:51
This is amazing  :))
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Myoth on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:16:26
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 09:44:15
thank you, geekhack.

thank you, keyboarding community.

thank you for cultivating an ideology of form over function.

thank you for all your hard work and dedication, diligently stripping vintage computers of their input devices. after all, what does it matter to you? you don't own one.

it's nice to know that some of these are impossible to find because of fine folks like you displaying them in glass cases so you can show off to uninterested friends and family. what use do you have for them beyond aesthetics? none.

go ahead, keep making teensy adapters for keyboards you'll use once or twice before realizing what everyone else already knew- a modern keyboard is usually better!

your hoarding of vintage keyboards is disgusting. give them up to people who actually need them.

Beyond your clear bad faith of "thank you for cultivating an ideology of form over function" when you collect obsolete pieces of technology, I think the problem that you seem to think is on us is much deeper than that and showcases even greater bad faith. You probably know this since you collect them but old computers take a **** tonne of space, they're bulky, heavy and usually require some effort to move for the people that might have once purchased them to use them. However, the keyboards from them aren't, they're easy to stack, can be held by the tens and take virtually no space at all. This makes them much more prone to be kept a lot more than their systems.

I truly wish I could side with you and **** on the people that "harvest" the keyboards from the systems because not only do I not agree with the Le Free Market 🤓 but I am a very frustrated person when it comes to many many things, but unfortunately this is simply not what happens in most cases, a majority of keyboards appear without their system/terminal because people threw them away way before they even thought of selling the keyboard.

Moreover, I think you seem to misunderstand the value we take from old (ethically sourced) keyboards, many of them boast much greater quality, mechanics and looks than their modern equivalents. I personally am a huge fan of Cherry keyboards because their "thinly, cheaply and cost-cutting" builds are actually some of the finest typing experience I think you can get out of a pre-made keyboard. And it was not until last week that I ccould safely say that for anyone seeking this experience there is finally a modern equivalent which is more reasonably priced, easily obtainable and sits as high if not higher as its predecessors when it comes to virtually all aspects. So yes, we have a use for them beyond aesthetics, regardless of what you may think.

"Don't hate the player, hate the game" is unfortunely to be taken as seriously as it can.

To further the discussion a little and hopefully tend to your wounds, what may have happened for you to come in here and regurgitate all of your hate onto mere passers-by ? Some of us may know someone that could help you in your search of a specific keyboard so that we can all put our differences aside, enjoy the old devices and think they don't make 'em like they used to...
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: TheInverseKey on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:19:12
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 13:52:34
these keyboards belong in the hands of enthusiasts who will actually use and appreciate them with the original hardware, not in glass cases next to your deadpool and legend of zelda funko pops you fat reddit losers

(https://i.imgur.com/ngqpkTj.png)
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:23:03
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 09:44:15
thank you for cultivating an ideology of form over function.
Hey. Don't lump us all together.
There are multiple aspects of "The Hobby". It is not the same for everyone.

Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 09:44:15
it's nice to know that some of these are impossible to find because of fine folks like you displaying them in glass cases so you can show off to uninterested friends and family. what use do you have for them beyond aesthetics? none.
...
your hoarding of vintage keyboards is disgusting. give them up to people who actually need them.
In my days, I have several times picked up keyboards without a system, and then traded or donated them or parts to a vintage computer collector/restorer who needed the keyboard/parts to restore his vintage system.

And many of us vintage keyboard geeks are also vintage-computer geeks as well.

I have seen a similar schism in my other collecting hobby: prop replicas. Some movie props that have become iconic had been made from real-world items that once were cheap but later became collectors' items for some other collecting hobby, such as camera collecting, or firearms collecting.
Not only has the increased competition hiked up the prices on the collectors market for just those items, but to turn them into the prop in an authentic way, some have had to be irreversibly modified.
Personally, I have never irreversibly modified a "real part", and tried to use castings or replica parts otherwise, even casting them myself if I had to.
But I think that this is less of a problem for vintage keyboards than for movie props, overall. It bugs me when I see a fully working keyboard of a rare type in good condition be stripped for its key switches, but I also know that in many other cases, keyboard enthusiasts buying vintage keyboards actually save (at least parts of) them from being thrown on the scrapheap because of how many sellers are not knowledgeable or even care about how much we value them.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: LaserCrafter on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:26:10
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 09:44:15
thank you, geekhack.

thank you, keyboarding community.

thank you for cultivating an ideology of form over function.

thank you for all your hard work and dedication, diligently stripping vintage computers of their input devices. after all, what does it matter to you? you don't own one.

it's nice to know that some of these are impossible to find because of fine folks like you displaying them in glass cases so you can show off to uninterested friends and family. what use do you have for them beyond aesthetics? none.

go ahead, keep making teensy adapters for keyboards you'll use once or twice before realizing what everyone else already knew- a modern keyboard is usually better!

your hoarding of vintage keyboards is disgusting. give them up to people who actually need them.

cope harder. also it sounds like your ability to get vints is terrible, so i raise you a skill issue.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: pngu on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:41:36
Most of my vintage boards are not in a glass cabinet, they're in a big messy pile in the spare room I pile useless stuff up in, thank you very much.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: LaserCrafter on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:52:35
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 13:52:34
these keyboards belong in the hands of enthusiasts who will actually use and appreciate them with the original hardware, not in glass cases next to your deadpool and legend of zelda funko pops you fat reddit losers

nah i'm just going to harvest them for some of my custom builds  :p :thumb:
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: GaNeBaL on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:58:30
sicc b8
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: juntheboon on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:59:55
make more money
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Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Sat, 28 May 2022, 15:01:51
lol
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 15:06:51
Quote from: Myoth on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:16:26
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 09:44:15
thank you, geekhack.

thank you, keyboarding community.

thank you for cultivating an ideology of form over function.

thank you for all your hard work and dedication, diligently stripping vintage computers of their input devices. after all, what does it matter to you? you don't own one.

it's nice to know that some of these are impossible to find because of fine folks like you displaying them in glass cases so you can show off to uninterested friends and family. what use do you have for them beyond aesthetics? none.

go ahead, keep making teensy adapters for keyboards you'll use once or twice before realizing what everyone else already knew- a modern keyboard is usually better!

your hoarding of vintage keyboards is disgusting. give them up to people who actually need them.

Beyond your clear bad faith of "thank you for cultivating an ideology of form over function" when you collect obsolete pieces of technology, I think the problem that you seem to think is on us is much deeper than that and showcases even greater bad faith. You probably know this since you collect them but old computers take a **** tonne of space, they're bulky, heavy and usually require some effort to move for the people that might have once purchased them to use them. However, the keyboards from them aren't, they're easy to stack, can be held by the tens and take virtually no space at all. This makes them much more prone to be kept a lot more than their systems.

I truly wish I could side with you and **** on the people that "harvest" the keyboards from the systems because not only do I not agree with the Le Free Market 🤓 but I am a very frustrated person when it comes to many many things, but unfortunately this is simply not what happens in most cases, a majority of keyboards appear without their system/terminal because people threw them away way before they even thought of selling the keyboard.

Moreover, I think you seem to misunderstand the value we take from old (ethically sourced) keyboards, many of them boast much greater quality, mechanics and looks than their modern equivalents. I personally am a huge fan of Cherry keyboards because their "thinly, cheaply and cost-cutting" builds are actually some of the finest typing experience I think you can get out of a pre-made keyboard. And it was not until last week that I ccould safely say that for anyone seeking this experience there is finally a modern equivalent which is more reasonably priced, easily obtainable and sits as high if not higher as its predecessors when it comes to virtually all aspects. So yes, we have a use for them beyond aesthetics, regardless of what you may think.

"Don't hate the player, hate the game" is unfortunely to be taken as seriously as it can.

To further the discussion a little and hopefully tend to your wounds, what may have happened for you to come in here and regurgitate all of your hate onto mere passers-by ? Some of us may know someone that could help you in your search of a specific keyboard so that we can all put our differences aside, enjoy the old devices and think they don't make 'em like they used to...
i want nothing from you people but for you to leave hardware you don't have an explicit need for alone.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: mmontess on Sat, 28 May 2022, 15:12:24
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Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Myoth on Sat, 28 May 2022, 15:13:02
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 15:06:51
Quote from: Myoth on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:16:26
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 09:44:15
thank you, geekhack.

thank you, keyboarding community.

thank you for cultivating an ideology of form over function.

thank you for all your hard work and dedication, diligently stripping vintage computers of their input devices. after all, what does it matter to you? you don't own one.

it's nice to know that some of these are impossible to find because of fine folks like you displaying them in glass cases so you can show off to uninterested friends and family. what use do you have for them beyond aesthetics? none.

go ahead, keep making teensy adapters for keyboards you'll use once or twice before realizing what everyone else already knew- a modern keyboard is usually better!

your hoarding of vintage keyboards is disgusting. give them up to people who actually need them.

Beyond your clear bad faith of "thank you for cultivating an ideology of form over function" when you collect obsolete pieces of technology, I think the problem that you seem to think is on us is much deeper than that and showcases even greater bad faith. You probably know this since you collect them but old computers take a **** tonne of space, they're bulky, heavy and usually require some effort to move for the people that might have once purchased them to use them. However, the keyboards from them aren't, they're easy to stack, can be held by the tens and take virtually no space at all. This makes them much more prone to be kept a lot more than their systems.

I truly wish I could side with you and **** on the people that "harvest" the keyboards from the systems because not only do I not agree with the Le Free Market 🤓 but I am a very frustrated person when it comes to many many things, but unfortunately this is simply not what happens in most cases, a majority of keyboards appear without their system/terminal because people threw them away way before they even thought of selling the keyboard.

Moreover, I think you seem to misunderstand the value we take from old (ethically sourced) keyboards, many of them boast much greater quality, mechanics and looks than their modern equivalents. I personally am a huge fan of Cherry keyboards because their "thinly, cheaply and cost-cutting" builds are actually some of the finest typing experience I think you can get out of a pre-made keyboard. And it was not until last week that I ccould safely say that for anyone seeking this experience there is finally a modern equivalent which is more reasonably priced, easily obtainable and sits as high if not higher as its predecessors when it comes to virtually all aspects. So yes, we have a use for them beyond aesthetics, regardless of what you may think.

"Don't hate the player, hate the game" is unfortunely to be taken as seriously as it can.

To further the discussion a little and hopefully tend to your wounds, what may have happened for you to come in here and regurgitate all of your hate onto mere passers-by ? Some of us may know someone that could help you in your search of a specific keyboard so that we can all put our differences aside, enjoy the old devices and think they don't make 'em like they used to...
i want nothing from you people but for you to leave hardware you don't have an explicit need for alone.

ur a nonce.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 28 May 2022, 15:16:44
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 09:44:15
thank you for all your hard work and dedication, diligently stripping vintage computers of their input devices. after all, what does it matter to you? you don't own one.
A lot of vintage keyboard collectors share your opinions on taking keyboards from their systems. A lot of us refuse to do so unless it's a system that's clearly unwanted even by the most serious PC collectors (e.g one that's sat on eBay for many, many months with no interest). Most of our keyboards were orphaned from their systems long ago, with no outside influence from keyboard collectors.

There are exceptions to this of course; some people do strip systems of their keyboards. But don't be thinking you're the only one who gets mad when this happens. I do too, as do many other keyboard collectors.

What would you like to see happen? Would you like every vintage keyboard collector to reunite their keyboards with the original systems, even if they had no part in their separation to begin with? I just don't think that's possible, man.

Tell us about some of your favourite systems! Do you have a favourite manufacturer?

Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 09:44:15
you're all neckbeard losers, really, showing off your collections to each other because nobody in your real life cares.

**** yourselves!
Also, **** you! My Mum thinks my keyboards are cool >:D
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: SpinningHook on Sat, 28 May 2022, 15:57:20
This begs the question, but is there a way to mark a thread to designate it as a prolapsed opinion so that one knows what they are getting into before they click on it? Just curious.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: LaserCrafter on Sat, 28 May 2022, 16:41:51
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 15:06:51
Quote from: Myoth on Sat, 28 May 2022, 14:16:26
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 09:44:15
thank you, geekhack.

thank you, keyboarding community.

thank you for cultivating an ideology of form over function.

thank you for all your hard work and dedication, diligently stripping vintage computers of their input devices. after all, what does it matter to you? you don't own one.

it's nice to know that some of these are impossible to find because of fine folks like you displaying them in glass cases so you can show off to uninterested friends and family. what use do you have for them beyond aesthetics? none.

go ahead, keep making teensy adapters for keyboards you'll use once or twice before realizing what everyone else already knew- a modern keyboard is usually better!

your hoarding of vintage keyboards is disgusting. give them up to people who actually need them.

Beyond your clear bad faith of "thank you for cultivating an ideology of form over function" when you collect obsolete pieces of technology, I think the problem that you seem to think is on us is much deeper than that and showcases even greater bad faith. You probably know this since you collect them but old computers take a **** tonne of space, they're bulky, heavy and usually require some effort to move for the people that might have once purchased them to use them. However, the keyboards from them aren't, they're easy to stack, can be held by the tens and take virtually no space at all. This makes them much more prone to be kept a lot more than their systems.

I truly wish I could side with you and **** on the people that "harvest" the keyboards from the systems because not only do I not agree with the Le Free Market 🤓 but I am a very frustrated person when it comes to many many things, but unfortunately this is simply not what happens in most cases, a majority of keyboards appear without their system/terminal because people threw them away way before they even thought of selling the keyboard.

Moreover, I think you seem to misunderstand the value we take from old (ethically sourced) keyboards, many of them boast much greater quality, mechanics and looks than their modern equivalents. I personally am a huge fan of Cherry keyboards because their "thinly, cheaply and cost-cutting" builds are actually some of the finest typing experience I think you can get out of a pre-made keyboard. And it was not until last week that I ccould safely say that for anyone seeking this experience there is finally a modern equivalent which is more reasonably priced, easily obtainable and sits as high if not higher as its predecessors when it comes to virtually all aspects. So yes, we have a use for them beyond aesthetics, regardless of what you may think.

"Don't hate the player, hate the game" is unfortunely to be taken as seriously as it can.

To further the discussion a little and hopefully tend to your wounds, what may have happened for you to come in here and regurgitate all of your hate onto mere passers-by ? Some of us may know someone that could help you in your search of a specific keyboard so that we can all put our differences aside, enjoy the old devices and think they don't make 'em like they used to...
i want nothing from you people but for you to leave hardware you don't have an explicit need for alone.

now i'm just going to gut every vintage keyboard i get my hands on to spite you lol
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: 3tonjack on Sat, 28 May 2022, 16:54:24
Nice troll
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: shallot on Sat, 28 May 2022, 17:18:05
lmao so full of hate over old computers

does it hurt to know the keyboard is the only useful part?

-proud glue-eating keyboard kid
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: doomsday_device on Sat, 28 May 2022, 17:24:54
not a single vintage computer person ever asked me about one of my keyboards

and i dont know anyone who was asked

weird.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: sharktastica on Sat, 28 May 2022, 17:34:58
Oof
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: granola bar enthusiast on Sat, 28 May 2022, 18:03:46
respectively please shut the **** up

Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 28 May 2022, 23:01:27
Quote from: shallot on Sat, 28 May 2022, 17:18:05

does it hurt to know the keyboard is the only useful part?


Mostly I agree with this.

There are orders of magnitudes less decades-old computer systems still in use today as were originally manufactured.

But a significant number of those decades-old keyboards can find new life for themselves on modern systems. I am typing this on a keyboard from 1985, and using a mouse from the early-2000s, but all the rest of the system is from early 2020.
 
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Rayndalf on Sun, 29 May 2022, 04:54:16
You're presenting your opinion in a way no one can really take seriously but I don't necessarily disagree.
It's a shame when a computer system is orphaned of a keyboard that is itself might be torn apart for some rare switches.

In many cases the computers are lost or broken so badly they're only good for parts so the keyboards which are comparatively simple/durable live on.
Or this is what I tell myself because people think their Tofu 60% will inherent the "soul" of something cool if they buy some grimy switches stripped out of an old machine.
 
Switches are just one part of a board and keyboards are just one part of a system. Reducing either to a pile of broken parts is a waste of time.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Sup on Sun, 29 May 2022, 14:15:47
Haha. With out us vintage keyboards wouldn't have the value you collectors use to flip. Also I killed two AEK II keyboards  :p. We also keep vintage switches like Alps and buckling alive and even start projects to make keycaps, modern programmable qmk pcb's for those. With out the mech keyboard community there would be no Model F reproduction, no custom SP alps keycaps.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 29 May 2022, 15:34:03
Is this a meme or did you lose an eBay auction recently?
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: rcaldejr on Mon, 30 May 2022, 00:51:33
Quote from: pixelpusher on Sun, 29 May 2022, 15:34:03
Is this a meme or did you lose an eBay auction recently?

He probably missed out on a GB for a board he'd been following for awhile.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: CaesarAZealad on Mon, 30 May 2022, 22:47:45
Thanks OP,  I was just running out of things to smugly pleasure myself to while eating dates off of plates made from Beamspring keyboards and videowriter shells....
Fr tho dude, if you're looking for vintage stuff Deskthority is to blame, and even then most of the people actually use the boards they talk about.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Maledicted on Tue, 31 May 2022, 10:09:35
This thread is beautiful.

Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 10:04:46
Quote from: Faceman76 on Sat, 28 May 2022, 10:03:36
Awww...show us where the keyboard hurt you.

Sent from my SM-S908U using Tapatalk
mature response from the average redditor with a mind of a child.

you're all neckbeard losers, really, showing off your collections to each other because nobody in your real life cares.

**** yourselves!

You seem to either be intentionally trolling, or have no idea of what you speak. Most people here are here specifically because they prefer oldschool forum formats to the useless projectile vomit that is Reddit. As already mentioned, most of my vintage boards were saved from scrapping without their corresponding computer around. The rest were purchased from who-knows-where over the internet. I have even saved a few boards that were previously inoperable and/or missing parts, including an F XT that some monster cut the cable off of for exactly the sort of display you assume we do ... which we do not.

I also have an old Blue Chip XT clone I saved from recycling that I want to try to get DOS running on, for which I would have no keyboard at all without my collection. Vintage computing was barely in my peripheral vision prior to getting into the boards. My love for Leading Edge keyboards has even tempted me to pick up a corresponding computer. This hobby can be a gateway drug into a greater appreciation for computing history.

Most boards with the most interesting and satisfying switches have been completely out of production since the 1980s. Most of these boards use either a relatively standard protocol (XT or AT) making them usable with most PCs of the period regardless of their origin, and many were third party knockoffs anyway that never shipped with a computer. For the ones with weird proprietary protocols (mostly early 80s and prior), how many people actually still have working examples of these systems and desperately need the corresponding keyboard?

This is a very real problem, but most people are not intentionally separating keyboards from their matching systems. If the layout is still usable, many of these boards are completely timeless and can serve a purpose indefinitely. Even those that cannot are interesting pieces of computing and typing history in their own right and deserve preservation one way or another.

Do you have a working IBM 4704 banking terminal, and some urgent need to access 1980s financial records? If not, I'm going to keep typing happily away on my F107 keyboard. The original cable was long gone by the time it came into my possession anyway.

Quote from: LaserCrafter on Sat, 28 May 2022, 16:41:51
now i'm just going to gut every vintage keyboard i get my hands on to spite you lol

Respectfully, please don't. Try some of the new Clickiez switches if you haven't. They're very nice.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: PCov on Sat, 04 June 2022, 16:40:34
What is happening...
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 04 June 2022, 16:59:49
Quote from: PCov on Sat, 04 June 2022, 16:40:34
What is happening...

Vintage computer enthusiasts vs vintage keyboard enthusiasts.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: CaesarAZealad on Sat, 04 June 2022, 21:04:34
Quote from: fohat.digs on Sat, 04 June 2022, 16:59:49
Quote from: PCov on Sat, 04 June 2022, 16:40:34
What is happening...

Vintage computer enthusiasts vs vintage keyboard enthusiasts.
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Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 05 June 2022, 02:57:47
I think the thing is, the worst of the "scrap the machine, save the keyboard" is likely to disappear over time.

Most of what is coveted is also being replicated, often in forms without the original baggage.  When you can buy a new beamspring, in a modern layout, for $500, spending $2000 to break up a vintage terminal, just to deal with a layout most software isn't optimized for and some zesty 1970s ergonomic choices seems a lot less appealing.

I can see where it could have a negative influence on preservation-- if SELLERS think "I can scrap the actual obscure terminal/machine itself and get 95% as much money for the keyboard by itself" but I suspect the alternative is that more machines would be scrapped, keyboards and all-- if there's only the smaller "willing to buy and ship the whole enchilada" market.

Yes, some of the boards people paid way too much for are going to sit around gathering dust as "I have disposable income" status symbols, but I don't think that bell can be un-rung for a long time.

I think my biggest sin for keyboards was probably getting a set of SGI Granite caps and using them on a fairly pedestrian Matias Tactile Pro, but even this act doesn't really deny you a working board-- you can always get less attractive but still usable caps if you have one of the weird older SGI machines that speaks that "it looks like a PS/2 plug but will fry stuff if you try to use it as such" protocol.

I'm sort of surprised we don't see some more tag-team solutions for boards that are coveted for both switches and their vintage utility.  The guy who wants it for the switches could recoup some of his costs-- and restore the board to the "wants it to use it as a keyboard" community, by transplanting out the coveted blue/green/amber/polka dot switches and swapping in commodity switches instead.  I'm thinking of the run on Apple IIc keyboards for Amber Alps switches-- people who want to get an IIc working will probably be served about as well with Matias switches.

There's also some potential to go the other way-- there are quite a few projects designed around "use a commodity PS/2 or USB keyboard with your $obscure_machine".
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Maledicted on Mon, 06 June 2022, 08:14:40
Quote from: Hak Foo on Sun, 05 June 2022, 02:57:47
I'm sort of surprised we don't see some more tag-team solutions for boards that are coveted for both switches and their vintage utility.  The guy who wants it for the switches could recoup some of his costs-- and restore the board to the "wants it to use it as a keyboard" community, by transplanting out the coveted blue/green/amber/polka dot switches and swapping in commodity switches instead.  I'm thinking of the run on Apple IIc keyboards for Amber Alps switches-- people who want to get an IIc working will probably be served about as well with Matias switches.

I have tried to tell at least one Ebay seller to stop desoldering Alps switches and selling them and just sell the boards. The people who want the boards for vintage computers are probably not going to buy the individual components to solder new Matias switches into, and keyboard enthusiasts aren't going to pay much for them either unless there's something particularly special about it.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: zea on Tue, 07 June 2022, 19:06:56
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 10:04:46
Quote from: Faceman76 on Sat, 28 May 2022, 10:03:36
Awww...show us where the keyboard hurt you.

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mature response from the average redditor with a mind of a child.

you're all neckbeard losers, really, showing off your collections to each other because nobody in your real life cares.

**** yourselves!

sorry to break this to you, but you're the one making a rage post on a keyboard forum complaining about people that collect vintage keyboards, i don't know with what authority you're calling other people neckbeards lol
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Hinkerbottom on Tue, 07 June 2022, 21:14:37
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Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: Maledicted on Wed, 08 June 2022, 08:06:05
Quote from: zea on Tue, 07 June 2022, 19:06:56
Quote from: kbhburner on Sat, 28 May 2022, 10:04:46
Quote from: Faceman76 on Sat, 28 May 2022, 10:03:36
Awww...show us where the keyboard hurt you.

Sent from my SM-S908U using Tapatalk
mature response from the average redditor with a mind of a child.

you're all neckbeard losers, really, showing off your collections to each other because nobody in your real life cares.

**** yourselves!

sorry to break this to you, but you're the one making a rage post on a keyboard forum complaining about people that collect vintage keyboards, i don't know with what authority you're calling other people neckbeards lol

He hasn't been back either. Just made an account to rant, got piled, and then vanished. I sent him a PM to try to figure out what his problem even was and talk about it civilly, but I don't expect any response.
Title: Re: thank you all so much
Post by: phinix on Wed, 08 June 2022, 08:50:00
Quote from: CaesarAZealad on Sat, 04 June 2022, 21:04:34
Quote from: fohat.digs on Sat, 04 June 2022, 16:59:49
Quote from: PCov on Sat, 04 June 2022, 16:40:34
What is happening...

Vintage computer enthusiasts vs vintage keyboard enthusiasts.
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