[GB] TGR-Jane v2 CE (QC, Shipping) 99% completed

[neoCobweb]

3k... yeah ok bud im sure they offered 3k then ghosted

[dantambok]

We are also part of the problem  )

"we"

I mean we cant avoid paying flip sometimes due to the fact some boards ran before someone started the hobby. Maybe also limited FCFS, raffled slots or some not being available to international sales. I have to admit i have paid flip for boards but just around x 1.5 - 2 of the original GB price not x3 for the spot like this guy is asking.

PS - on all the boards listed on my sig, i am proud to say that i have only paid flip price for 3 or 4 boards listed there. 

[tentboy]

We are also part of the problem  )

"we"

I mean we cant avoid paying flip sometimes due to the fact some boards ran before someone started the hobby. Maybe also limited FCFS or raffles. I have to admit i have paid flip for boards but just around x 1.5 - 2 of the original GB price not x3 for the spot like this guy is asking.

PS - on all the boards listed on my sig, i am proud to say that i have only paid flip price for 3 boards listed there. 

were you able to get into this GB or going to be trying to pay flip price for one 

[futurecrime]

We are also part of the problem  )

"we"

I mean we cant avoid paying flip sometimes due to the fact some boards ran before someone started the hobby. Maybe also limited FCFS or raffles. I have to admit i have paid flip for boards but just around x 1.5 - 2 of the original GB price not x3 for the spot like this guy is asking.

PS - on all the boards listed on my sig, i am proud to say that i have only paid flip price for 3 boards listed there. 

were you able to get into this GB or going to be trying to pay flip price for one 

Dan is at the centre of a board vortex now, he doesn't need to join GBs, the keyboards just ship themselves to him automatically.

[DukeEsquire]

Sam should cancel nada's spot.

I know that Novelkeys pulled the GB slot for two guys that were trying to flip their spot in the SA Olivia GB.

[Randalljai]

Sam should cancel nada's spot.

I know that Novelkeys pulled the GB slot for two guys that were trying to flip their spot in the SA Olivia GB.

Can I has the cancelled spot

[ejewell89]

Sam should cancel nada's spot.

I know that Novelkeys pulled the GB slot for two guys that were trying to flip their spot in the SA Olivia GB.

Can I has the cancelled spot

I like stirring the pot

Can I have the spot so I can get two CE's?

[hineybush]

If anyone is interested in my spot, please let me know. I currently have my eyes set on a different board and would like to keep the number of my boards low I have the multicolor weight, and an extra carbon fiber plate and pcb.

really

[rkarp]

GB slots should always only be sold at cost.

Totally agree with this one.  Things happen in life and that’s a long time to have money in something but no product or exchange.  If it’s 1:1, then it’s fine. But also, the GB runner shouldn’t have to facilitate any of this - it should be handled by the two parties.  So, as with everything, caveat emptor.  If you assemble the board (labor), install switches (parts), then yeah, sell for more.  But $1.8k is stupid.  For both buyer and seller.  A fool and their money are soon parted.

Disagree that the GB runner shouldn't be involved. Think of the Oscar E6 situation:

• GB Participant joins GB
• Before product ships, participant sells Oscar his spot
• Participant changes shipping address to Oscar's
• Oscar never receives board upon completion of GB, despite tracking saying it was delivered
• Oscar reaches out to Exclusive, but wasn't actually a participant
• Oscar files PayPal dispute for the amount paid (which actually disputes against the original participant, not Exclusive)

If you sell your spot, IMO you should:

• 'Sell' the spot to the new person for the cost of the PayPal fees
• Have the GB runner refund you, minus the PayPal fees
• Have the GB runner invoice the new participant directly

Ultimately, the new person pays what you paid for the spot + the refund PayPal fees. The GB runner has to refund and redirect to the new person, but ultimately has a new customer with a clean relationship.

Other option is even more simple: If you want out of a GB, you get refunded (minus PayPal fees) and the GB runner raffles off the open spot.

Just my $.02

Yeah, that’s a good point.  I guess I just feel that with these GB’s, some of the makers are already swamped under the load of order changes, modifications, etc.  I would default against the extra burden of something like that.  But I totally see your point.

[Wicky]

Refunding the original spot's owner and invoicing the new one doesn't stop money from being exchanged without the gb runner's knowledge though. How does this do anything to prevent spot flipping? If I'm misunderstanding the point let me know.

I mean anything short of disallowing spot transfers will not be able to prevent spot flipping.

Btw, how do spots usually get transferred? Is the original buyer's info (shipping address, contact info, etc.) just changed to the new person's info?

[LightningXI]

Refunding the original spot's owner and invoicing the new one doesn't stop money from being exchanged without the gb runner's knowledge though. How does this do anything to prevent spot flipping? If I'm misunderstanding the point let me know.

I mean anything short of disallowing spot transfers will not be able to prevent spot flipping.

Btw, how do spots usually get transferred? Is the original buyer's info (shipping address, contact info, etc.) just changed to the new person's info?

Not doing anything about it is worse than refunding the original spot's owner and executing the transfer process. It won't prevent spot flipping fully, but it helps establish a standard for transfer procedures. It's all about curbing the risks.

Not allowing transfers would be fine by me, too. Maybe then people will think to either buy it because they like it, or they're patient enough to wait until it gets to them for them to sell it (assuming this was their original intention - which sucks).

[Vigrith]

Not allowing transfers would be fine by me, too. Maybe then people will think to either buy it because they like it, or they're patient enough to wait until it gets to them for them to sell it (assuming this was their original intention - which sucks).

That's gotta be the best way to go about it. If you think you won't be able to afford it or aren't sure if you want it then don't get it; right now it's impossible to lose money on a TGR (and many other) buy, be it by selling their spot or just flipping the board once/after you get it. If something happens and you need to actually give up your board during GB phase because emergencies happen, I'm sure most of the very popular runners nowadays would be able to just refund you and sell off the extra board by other means (to friends or people who've PM'd asking for extra stock etc) if they want.

[kristmascane]

If anyone is interested in my spot, please let me know. I currently have my eyes set on a different board and would like to keep the number of my boards low I have the multicolor weight, and an extra carbon fiber plate and pcb.

neck yourself

Took the words right out my mouth baby

[Gandalf_the_Mandalf]

I fully support the idea of not allowing transfers/removing people who try to sell group buy spots. If you wanna sell the board after you receive it, that's your choice, but at least its 100% something you own in hand and you were patient enough to wait for it to get to you. Selling a spot for something that you don't even have in hand for such a huge markup is just super ****ty, and it's like a giant middle finger to the designer and screws over people who actually want the board but couldn't get it in time. It's purely greed.

[Wicky]

That's gotta be the best way to go about it. If you think you won't be able to afford it or aren't sure if you want it then don't get it; right now it's impossible to lose money on a TGR (and many other) buy, be it by selling their spot or just flipping the board once/after you get it. If something happens and you need to actually give up your board during GB phase because emergencies happen, I'm sure most of the very popular runners nowadays would be able to just refund you and sell off the extra board by other means (to friends or people who've PM'd asking for extra stock etc) if they want.

Let's say a rare board pops up in the aftermarket and a gb participant could have traded their spot for what might be their grail board. Are they SOL?

Also, if a group buy starts to go south or takes longer than expected and someone wants to jump ship, are they screwed there too? In the mech27 v2 group buy there were people letting go of their spots without the intent to flip. Though I guess after a certain amount of time the gb runner could allow transfers.

[Auxo]

That's gotta be the best way to go about it. If you think you won't be able to afford it or aren't sure if you want it then don't get it; right now it's impossible to lose money on a TGR (and many other) buy, be it by selling their spot or just flipping the board once/after you get it. If something happens and you need to actually give up your board during GB phase because emergencies happen, I'm sure most of the very popular runners nowadays would be able to just refund you and sell off the extra board by other means (to friends or people who've PM'd asking for extra stock etc) if they want.

Let's say a rare board pops up in the aftermarket and a gb participant could have traded their spot for what might be their grail board. Are they SOL?

Also, if a group buy starts to go south or takes longer than expected and someone wants to jump ship, are they screwed there too? In the mech27 v2 group buy there were people letting go of their spots without the intent to flip. Though I guess after a certain amount of time the gb runner could allow transfers.

There's a fine line between being allowed to transfer due to a group buy going south and being allowed to transfer because the participants wants to make a quick buck off of your hard work and design.

Also paypal protections and bank charge-backs are a thing to utilize in the event a group buy organizer goes completely AWOL.

[booleanjulien]

Ya'll know all this controversy just makes this board even more desirable and is driving up the aftermarket price, right?

[Emir]

Ya'll know all this controversy just makes this board even more desirable and is driving up the aftermarket price, right?

All according to plan

[evanmcferran]

@nadayada: Sent you a longshot PM, but let me know if everyone else fall through. Would love love this spot and config!

I wouldn't. He's trying to flip his spot.

I just heard back from him and it's quite clear that he's trying to flip. The magic number is 1.8k if anyone is interested.

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The magic number is 1.8k if anyone is interested.

Another gb spot seller approached me through pms and said their highest bid was 1.2k. This was as of 12 hours ago:(

[LightningXI]

Ya'll know all this controversy just makes this board even more desirable and is driving up the aftermarket price, right?

All according to plan

All according to keikaku*

FTFY

*T/N: keikaku means plan

[Puddsy]

i go out for ONE day and i miss spicy drama?

[DukeEsquire]

Let's say a rare board pops up in the aftermarket and a gb participant could have traded their spot for what might be their grail board. Are they SOL?

Yes.

[Auxo]

Let's say a rare board pops up in the aftermarket and a gb participant could have traded their spot for what might be their grail board. Are they SOL?

Yes.

Buyers remorse is the fault of the buyer.

[Wicky]

Let's say a rare board pops up in the aftermarket and a gb participant could have traded their spot for what might be their grail board. Are they SOL?

Yes.

Buyers remorse is the fault of the buyer.

Yeah I suppose that's fair.

[tentboy]

i go out for ONE day and i miss spicy drama?

That’s what you get for leaving the internet and interacting with others in person.

[nadayada]

Hello geekhack,

I realize I made a big mistake.

I want to apologize to the members of this community as well as to those who really want the board.

Yes, someone messaged me 3k for the board. I got excited and agreed to them as soon as they sent it. I realize that it was probably just a joke.

Where I went wrong was asking people how much they would offer, and what would their price be. It should have been simple. Like someone said earlier, the price of a gb spot should only be what the price of the spot is, if anything. For me to ask how much people wanted, is completely wrong and uncalled for. Also by doing so, it was treated as an auction, which is against the guidelines here at geekhack, which I did not realize at the time. Even doing so, that's quite an inhumane thing to do... I'm quite disappointed in myself. As a result, I will probably be banned within the next few days, which is a sensible consequence.

So to all those who offered me, I will just take the board off the market. I feel like this is the most sensible thing to do. After what has happened, I have no intention of selling the board, not in the future either.

I think the best thing to do in this situation, if Yuksti wants to revoke my spot, he can message me and the next person who was going to receive the board should receive it. If Yutski decides to allow me to keep it, I will not sell this.

It will be a hard lesson to learn if I do not get to keep the spot, get banned on geekhack, and so forth. But I've learned my lesson.

Again, I apologize, and hopefully the gb goes smoothly. I sincerely hope you guys enjoy your boards.

[Emir]

I mean, I don't want to say too much. Down the road in the distant future I might want to sell this board and I'd be a hypocrite for selling at market value. All I'm saying is, don't flip your gb spot with huge mark up  before it even ships; regardless of which product it concerns.

[nadayada]

No, the problem was that I also wasted people's time and such too. Alongside flipping, there was a lot that I did wrong, and I should be punished for it, regardless.

[superdoedoe]

@nadayada: Sent you a longshot PM, but let me know if everyone else fall through. Would love love this spot and config!

I wouldn't. He's trying to flip his spot.

I just heard back from him and it's quite clear that he's trying to flip. The magic number is 1.8k if anyone is interested.

(Attachment Link)

The magic number is 1.8k if anyone is interested.

Another gb spot seller approached me through pms and said their highest bid was 1.2k. This was as of 12 hours ago:(

Name and shame

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[Mcnos]

Insert :Eating Popcorn GIF:

[romevi]

No, you just learned not to flip until you got the board. In your apology you didn't mention yuktsi just canceling your spot as an option. You still want the board and if someone offered you $3k later when you'd have the board you'd probably get excited again.

[DukeEsquire]

Frankly, I think the issue has been fully resolved and no need to keep piling on the guy.

Let's go back to talking about how much we're looking forward to getting this board.

[Visionaire]

Frankly, I think the issue has been fully resolved and no need to keep piling on the guy.

Let's go back to talking about how much we're looking forward to getting this board.

This. The guy didn't commit a crime, he broke some unwritten code of conduct in a keyboard community. All is fine.

[typischt]

No, you just learned not to flip until you got the board. In your apology you didn't mention yuktsi just canceling your spot as an option. You still want the board and if someone offered you $3k later when you'd have the board you'd probably get excited again.

To befair, he actually said, that if Yuktsi wants to revoke his spots it should be like that.

[nadayada]

No, you just learned not to flip until you got the board. In your apology you didn't mention yuktsi just canceling your spot as an option. You still want the board and if someone offered you $3k later when you'd have the board you'd probably get excited again.

Sorry, I also meant that Yuktsi could cancel my spot as an option as well when I said they could transfer my spot to the next person in line for the board.

I have no intention of selling the board anymore, as I've received my fair share of hate mail and it has definitely made me question my own morals. I guess there isn't any way of insuring that I don't flip, if I keep the board, which is why I'm okay with Yuktsi revoking my spot, which imho is the best way I could think about doing this in an ethical way.

I don't want to hijack this thread, and I'm certain yuktsi, the plate designers, and others would appreciate it, so if you have a better alternative to what I should do, if you have other thoughts/concerns/hate, feel free to pm. I'll get back to you asap, I'm still responding to what others have sent to me, and I need some time to think about my actions. Again, I'm sorry, I hope this gb goes well.

[romevi]

No, you just learned not to flip until you got the board. In your apology you didn't mention yuktsi just canceling your spot as an option. You still want the board and if someone offered you $3k later when you'd have the board you'd probably get excited again.

To befair, he actually said, that if Yuktsi wants to revoke his spots it should be like that.

What the heck? The rest of the post before that paragraph didn't show up for me before on Tapatalk.

Never mind, then. nada, my apologies!

[Puddsy]

Let's say a rare board pops up in the aftermarket and a gb participant could have traded their spot for what might be their grail board. Are they SOL?

Yes.

Buyers remorse is the fault of the buyer.

is it buyer's remorse if you just enter the GB to flip

some people are just dumbasses

anyway, no need to beat a dead horse

[adxlk]

[Mcnos]

Let's say a rare board pops up in the aftermarket and a gb participant could have traded their spot for what might be their grail board. Are they SOL?

Yes.

Buyers remorse is the fault of the buyer.

is it buyer's remorse if you just enter the GB to flip

some people are just dumbasses

anyway, no need to beat a dead horse

Some people find beating dead horses as a kink Puddsy, not me but some people.

[Zacharius]

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Very nice. I’m still trying to decide on a set :/


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[Auxo]

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Very nice. I’m still trying to decide on a set :/


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I've already decided on sanctuary rebirth myself, cant wait to see what other peeps do. i know there are some creative peeps out here

[adxlk]

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Very nice. I’m still trying to decide on a set :/


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Gmk wob. Massdrop said they will restock

[adxlk]

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Very nice. I’m still trying to decide on a set :/


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I've already decided on sanctuary rebirth myself, cant wait to see what other peeps do. i know there are some creative peeps out here

Handerbeit made for this board. Sadly. Not running. Pepehands

[jortzii]

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Very nice. I’m still trying to decide on a set :/


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I've already decided on sanctuary rebirth myself, cant wait to see what other peeps do. i know there are some creative peeps out here

I've been considering this as well! Also looking at Tokyo Nights, Darksel, First Love, and Black Lotus lol. Maybe GMK Cafe or SA Bliss will fill the void.

I've also thought about trying my SA Vilebloom on it.

[Timbersawdust]

Let's say a rare board pops up in the aftermarket and a gb participant could have traded their spot for what might be their grail board. Are they SOL?

Yes.

Buyers remorse is the fault of the buyer.

is it buyer's remorse if you just enter the GB to flip

some people are just dumbasses

anyway, no need to beat a dead horse

You sure? I can guarantee the next GB that happens and someone tries to flip, this conversation will come up. It will never end because there is nothing really preventing it from happening. Unfortunately with how the market works in this community, these types of situations will never stop happening unless GBs stop happening.

[Chimera]

I'm doing Oblivion or Hammer Desko probs. I feel like Desko might be best.

[Zacharius]

Let's say a rare board pops up in the aftermarket and a gb participant could have traded their spot for what might be their grail board. Are they SOL?

Yes.

Buyers remorse is the fault of the buyer.

is it buyer's remorse if you just enter the GB to flip

some people are just dumbasses

anyway, no need to beat a dead horse

You sure? I can guarantee the next GB that happens and someone tries to flip, this conversation will come up. It will never end because there is nothing really preventing it from happening. Unfortunately with how the market works in this community, these types of situations will never stop happening unless GBs stop happening.

Partly true, yeah. They stop happening once there isn’t an interested party. if the market stops paying insane markups, then less people will be willing to flip since margins would barely make it worth it considering turnaround time is a few months at best for a quality board.


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[regionfree]

Partly true, yeah. They stop happening once there isn’t an interested party. if the market stops paying insane markups, then less people will be willing to flip since margins would barely make it worth it considering turnaround time is a few months at best for a quality board.

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I'm afraid that would only happen when designs stop going out in limited quantities, which practically means never.

[Zacharius]

Partly true, yeah. They stop happening once there isn’t an interested party. if the market stops paying insane markups, then less people will be willing to flip since margins would barely make it worth it considering turnaround time is a few months at best for a quality board.

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I'm afraid that would only happen when designs stop going out in limited quantities, which practically means never.

Then the cycle of life will continue I suppose. In the mean time can we get back to talkin about this lil guy

[adxlk]

Partly true, yeah. They stop happening once there isn’t an interested party. if the market stops paying insane markups, then less people will be willing to flip since margins would barely make it worth it considering turnaround time is a few months at best for a quality board.

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I'm afraid that would only happen when designs stop going out in limited quantities, which practically means never.

Then the cycle of life will continue I suppose. In the mean time can we get back to talkin about this lil guy

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