[GB] Gateron Switch (CLOSED)

[ideus]

Browns should double their orders to reach the 20k mark, doubtful.

[hwood34]

Browns should double their orders to reach the 20k mark, doubtful.

ya never now, I might have something up my sleeve

[ideus]

Browns should double their orders to reach the 20k mark, doubtful.

ya never now, I might have something up my sleeve

Ah! well, hidden cards are not suppose to be discovered.

[heedpantsnow]

Browns should double their orders to reach the 20k mark, doubtful.

Still VERY early in this GB.

[ideus]

Hwood has a hidden card, or the like.

[swill]

Browns should double their orders to reach the 20k mark, doubtful.

Don't make me buy 1000 of them. 

[ideus]

Browns should double their orders to reach the 20k mark, doubtful.

Don't make me buy 1000 of them. 

That's the spirit brother swill.

[Ngt]

Damn clear or black? Black or clear? The hesitation is high!


Do you the clear would be too light for mods? To make something like the Topre variant weight but for MX.

[tbc]

Damn clear or black? Black or clear? The hesitation is high!


Do you the clear would be too light for mods? To make something like the Topre variant weight but for MX.

the topre variable has 45g mods.

clears are MUCH lighter

[db268]

Where will you guys be buying the PCB's for your builds? Any good shop in Europe?

[azhdar]

Where will you guys be buying the PCB's for your builds? Any good shop in Europe?

no european option that I'm aware of.
Here are a few option that doesn't need to go through a group buy :
http://winkeyless.kr/en/
http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/
http://zealpc.net/collections/custom-keyboards/products/gb

[JaccoW]

How do these feel with MX Clear springs? As in ghost blacks?

[wlhlm]

Here are a few option that doesn't need to go through a group buy :
http://winkeyless.kr/en/

Wasn't aware of that. Looks interesting!

[alex952]

Alright, so I finally decided to jump in. This will be my step to my first handmade board (also my first GB), so pretty excited about it.

[Ngt]

Pretty big step forward! 


Welcome to GH as well.

[hwood34]

Alright, so I finally decided to jump in. This will be my step to my first handmade board (also my first GB), so pretty excited about it.

Certainly a good way to start

[Giorgio]

Are the clears really too light to be usable? How do they compare to cherry reds?

Someone said that the actuation point of the blues is higher thant the cherry blues, so, will this mod still be possible?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45992.msg1648060#msg1648060

[azhdar]

Are the clears really too light to be usable? How do they compare to cherry reds?

Someone said that the actuation point of the blues is higher thant the cherry blues, so, will this mod still be possible?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45992.msg1648060#msg1648060

clears: 35g compared to 45g mx red

jailhouse gateron blues : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68943.120

[ideus]

The rumors on the clears being too light just dent the curiosity a bit further.

[Giorgio]

Are the clears really too light to be usable? How do they compare to cherry reds?

Someone said that the actuation point of the blues is higher thant the cherry blues, so, will this mod still be possible?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45992.msg1648060#msg1648060

clears: 35g compared to 45g mx red

jailhouse gateron blues : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68943.120

I saw that they are 35g, I was just wondering if someone used them and they are really too light for intensive typing.

About the blues, thanks for pointing me to the post, they seem to work fine, and to be pretty silent on the upstroke too.

[strict]

How do these feel with MX Clear springs? As in ghost blacks?

I tried Cherry clear springs in my Gateron clears and they felt incredible. If I'm honest they actually felt almost slightly too heavy, at least for linear switches. I ended up dropping down to the 78g sprit springs and now I'm confident that I've got my end-game linear switches.

Yes, Gateron clears are unusable with the stock springs in them. They are the lightest switches I've ever felt. A mouse fart or a stray butterfly could accidently activate one of those switches with the stock springs. I have a whole baggie of the stock springs that I'm pretty sure is going to go into the garbage because they are that light.

[alex952]

Pretty big step forward! 


Welcome to GH as well.

Cheers!

Alright, so I finally decided to jump in. This will be my step to my first handmade board (also my first GB), so pretty excited about it.

Certainly a good way to start

Really looking forward to it 

[JaccoW]

How do these feel with MX Clear springs? As in ghost blacks?

I tried Cherry clear springs in my Gateron clears and they felt incredible. If I'm honest they actually felt almost slightly too heavy, at least for linear switches. I ended up dropping down to the 78g sprit springs and now I'm confident that I've got my end-game linear switches.

Yes, Gateron clears are unusable with the stock springs in them. They are the lightest switches I've ever felt. A mouse fart or a stray butterfly could accidently activate one of those switches with the stock springs. I have a whole baggie of the stock springs that I'm pretty sure is going to go into the garbage because they are that light.

Thanks for that mini-review.

[ideus]

How do these feel with MX Clear springs? As in ghost blacks?

I tried Cherry clear springs in my Gateron clears and they felt incredible. If I'm honest they actually felt almost slightly too heavy, at least for linear switches. I ended up dropping down to the 78g sprit springs and now I'm confident that I've got my end-game linear switches.

Yes, Gateron clears are unusable with the stock springs in them. They are the lightest switches I've ever felt. A mouse fart or a stray butterfly could accidently activate one of those switches with the stock springs. I have a whole baggie of the stock springs that I'm pretty sure is going to go into the garbage because they are that light.

The "mouse fart" remark is particularly informative, it gives a clear "feeling" of how light the switches are...)

[LXXXIX]

I'm thinking about making a purchase for about 100 Black switches to replace my MX Reds. Would this be a wiser move than to maybe just get some replacements springs? I have another board with MX Blacks and I may want to get something a littler heaver/smoother to mimic the feeling.

Can anyone spit some knowledge on me?

[ideus]

Proposal: Add springs to the GB in modules ranging from 50 to 80.


Is there a chance to source springs along with the switches? It would allow the brothers to mix and match them to their preferences. The lack of experience on actual performance of Gaterons turns this GB into an experiment, and having the springs may allow precise customization. Potentially making everybody happy, instead of frustrated.


 )

[jdcarpe]

I'm thinking about making a purchase for about 100 Black switches to replace my MX Reds. Would this be a wiser move than to maybe just get some replacements springs? I have another board with MX Blacks and I may want to get something a littler heaver/smoother to mimic the feeling.

Can anyone spit some knowledge on me?

Gateron blacks are smoother than MX blacks or reds. They are heavier than reds, which is a good thing, IMO. They are slightly lighter than MX blacks, which again is a good thing. No spring swap or lubing required, which is a VERY good thing.

I RECOMMEND YOU BUY LOTS AND LOTS OF GATERON BLACKS.


I'm personally ordering 1000 of them, and no other Gateron switch (I've tried Gateron clears), if that tells you anything.

[LXXXIX]

Proposal: Add springs to the GB in modules ranging from 50 to 80.


Is there a chance to source springs along with the switches? It would allow the brothers to mix and match them to their preferences. The lack of experience on actual performance of Gaterons turns this GB into an experiment, and having the springs may allow precise customization. Potentially making everybody happy.


)

This would be so legit. It would be a nice touch to be able to further modify certain modifiers and whatnot!

I'm thinking about making a purchase for about 100 Black switches to replace my MX Reds. Would this be a wiser move than to maybe just get some replacements springs? I have another board with MX Blacks and I may want to get something a littler heaver/smoother to mimic the feeling.

Can anyone spit some knowledge on me?

Gateron blacks are smoother than MX blacks or reds. They are heavier than reds, which is a good thing, IMO. They are slightly lighter than MX blacks, which again is a good thing. No spring swap or lubing required, which is a VERY good thing.

I RECOMMEND YOU BUY LOTS AND LOTS OF GATERON BLACKS.


I'm personally ordering 1000 of them, and no other Gateron switch (I've tried Gateron clears), if that tells you anything.

Thanks! I'll join this at the end of the week when I get paid. I'm looking forward to swapping them out.

[swill]

Proposal: Add springs to the GB in modules ranging from 50 to 80.


Is there a chance to source springs along with the switches? It would allow the brothers to mix and match them to their preferences. The lack of experience on actual performance of Gaterons turns this GB into an experiment, and having the springs may allow precise customization. Potentially making everybody happy, instead of frustrated.

 )

Lets not make this GB harder than it has to be.  We don't want to get into issues with different delivery times and people wanting their orders because they don't want to wait for the other items to arrive, etc...  It makes the logistics a lot more complicated.  These guys are going to have enough work cut out for them just delivering the switches and the covers.  Lets not let our excitement lead to scope creep which will make everything harder for everyone.  Lets keep it as simple as possible because the scale we are working with here is getting pretty massive. 

[swill]

I'm thinking about making a purchase for about 100 Black switches to replace my MX Reds. Would this be a wiser move than to maybe just get some replacements springs? I have another board with MX Blacks and I may want to get something a littler heaver/smoother to mimic the feeling.

Can anyone spit some knowledge on me?

Gateron blacks are smoother than MX blacks or reds. They are heavier than reds, which is a good thing, IMO. They are slightly lighter than MX blacks, which again is a good thing. No spring swap or lubing required, which is a VERY good thing.

I RECOMMEND YOU BUY LOTS AND LOTS OF GATERON BLACKS.

I'm personally ordering 1000 of them, and no other Gateron switch (I've tried Gateron clears), if that tells you anything.

Alright, I will bite.  I just added 200 blacks to my order.

I am not sure I need 700 switches, but here goes nothing. 

200x clears
200x blacks
300x browns (come on people, I need help on this one)

[SpAmRaY]

Proposal: Add springs to the GB in modules ranging from 50 to 80.


Is there a chance to source springs along with the switches? It would allow the brothers to mix and match them to their preferences. The lack of experience on actual performance of Gaterons turns this GB into an experiment, and having the springs may allow precise customization. Potentially making everybody happy, instead of frustrated.

 )

Lets not make this GB harder than it has to be.  We don't want to get into issues with different delivery times and people wanting their orders because they don't want to wait for the other items to arrive, etc...  It makes the logistics a lot more complicated.  These guys are going to have enough work cut out for them just delivering the switches and the covers.  Lets not let our excitement lead to scope creep which will make everything harder for everyone.  Lets keep it as simple as possible because the scale we are working with here is getting pretty massive. 

^^ this, more group buys need to embrace k.i.s.s.

[FrostyToast]

You guys should probably order extra switches.
A Gatorade that I have has a faulty linear stem whereby there is a tiny bump on it.
I can feel a tiny change in resistance which is just big enough to be noticeable during normal use.
Although I can vouch that the switch is still smooth as **** aside from that.

[ideus]

Proposal: Add springs to the GB in modules ranging from 50 to 80.


Is there a chance to source springs along with the switches? It would allow the brothers to mix and match them to their preferences. The lack of experience on actual performance of Gaterons turns this GB into an experiment, and having the springs may allow precise customization. Potentially making everybody happy, instead of frustrated.

 )

Lets not make this GB harder than it has to be.  We don't want to get into issues with different delivery times and people wanting their orders because they don't want to wait for the other items to arrive, etc...  It makes the logistics a lot more complicated.  These guys are going to have enough work cut out for them just delivering the switches and the covers.  Lets not let our excitement lead to scope creep which will make everything harder for everyone.  Lets keep it as simple as possible because the scale we are working with here is getting pretty massive. 

^^ this, more group buys need to embrace k.i.s.s.

Good point Sir Ray, another group for switches. Maybe the brothers with previous experience in springs.

[johndavis730]

Guys guys guys please stop! Stop convincing me to buy more switches!! I don't even know how to solder yet

[ideus]

Guys guys guys please stop! Stop convincing me to buy more switches!! I don't even know how to solder yet

It's your chance to learn bro.


This would be the group buy of the year, for dedicated keyboard aficionados only; those customizing their MX switches to the limit. )

[johndavis730]

Guys guys guys please stop! Stop convincing me to buy more switches!! I don't even know how to solder yet

It's your chance to learn bro.


This would be the group buy of the year, for dedicated keyboard aficionados only; those customizing their MX switches to the limit. )

I know which is why it's making it difficult.

Now I am debating whether or not to cancel my 100 clears and get 200 blacks instead

or 200 black and 100 clears!?

AND I'm trying to save money sorry wallet

[jdcarpe]

Guys guys guys please stop! Stop convincing me to buy more switches!! I don't even know how to solder yet

It's your chance to learn bro.


This would be the group buy of the year, for dedicated keyboard aficionados only; those customizing their MX switches to the limit. )

I know which is why it's making it difficult.

Now I am debating whether or not to cancel my 100 clears and get 200 blacks instead

or 200 black and 100 clears!?

AND I'm trying to save money sorry wallet

If you care about smooth feeling switches, order blacks.

If you don't mind swapping springs; AND if you leave the keycaps off your keyboards often, so that you can admire the switches, order a few clears.

[johndavis730]

Guys guys guys please stop! Stop convincing me to buy more switches!! I don't even know how to solder yet

It's your chance to learn bro.


This would be the group buy of the year, for dedicated keyboard aficionados only; those customizing their MX switches to the limit. )

I know which is why it's making it difficult.

Now I am debating whether or not to cancel my 100 clears and get 200 blacks instead

or 200 black and 100 clears!?

AND I'm trying to save money sorry wallet

If you care about smooth feeling switches, order blacks.

If you don't mind swapping springs; AND if you leave the keycaps off your keyboards often, so that you can admire the switches, order a few clears.

yeah that's what I may end up doing. I don't think I'm ready to do the whole spring swapping thing yet so I may order like 20 clears but mostly blacks and maybe blues if it reaches 20k

[samsonite727]

Along with a PM and a reply to this thread do I have submit another order form to update my order?  I actually like the lightness of my mx reds so I figured if they were a bit lighter I would be fine with them. All this talk of clears being unusable with stock springs is dis-concerning, it sounds like they are ALOT lighter than the cherry reds.

[jdcarpe]

All this talk of clears being unusable with stock springs is dis-concerning, it sounds like they are ALOT lighter than the cherry reds.

They are. You don't want clears unless you are prepared to spring swap.

[whentheclouds]

jd, if lubed blacks score 100/100 points in the smooth department, how much does unlubed blacks get?

[jdcarpe]

jd, if lubed blacks score 100/100 points in the smooth department, how much does unlubed blacks get?

Unlubed MX blacks? Like 65/100. Unlubed Gateron blacks are 90/100.

[whentheclouds]

90/100 sounds amazing.. not sure if i should shell out the extra cash to go the distance

[Zeal]

90/100 sounds amazing.. not sure if i should shell out the extra cash to go the distance

I'll tell you one thing for sure. Once you go Gateron, you'll never go back (to MX linears).

[jdcarpe]

90/100 sounds amazing.. not sure if i should shell out the extra cash to go the distance

I'll tell you one thing for sure. Once you go Gateron, you'll never go back (to MX linears).

^ Truth

[whentheclouds]

oh i'm 100% on board with Gaterons. was just thinking aloud whether i should spend $30-$45 on lube to squeeze out that last 10% performance increase. law of diminishing returns and all that

[swill]

oh i'm 100% on board with Gaterons. was just thinking aloud whether i should spend $30-$45 on lube to squeeze out that last 10% performance increase. law of diminishing returns and all that

If you don't we will be coming by to relieve you of your "keyboard enthusiast" card.    Isn't the whole point of this community to go big or go home?  Oh, and don't forget your wallet. 

[Zeal]

oh i'm 100% on board with Gaterons. was just thinking aloud whether i should spend $30-$45 on lube to squeeze out that last 10% performance increase. law of diminishing returns and all that

At first, I was just going to spring swap my gaterons. But after switching out 20ish, I thought why the hell not, and just opened them all and lubed the sliders & springs. Lubed Gaterons are a whole 'nother world of smoothness if done right.

[whentheclouds]

    

[jdcarpe]

In other words, you can use the Gateron blacks stock, and they will feel almost like 68g (Korean) lubed MX blacks. Or you can lube them, and they will feel like lubed vintage blacks.