awesome hazel! does sherry have a prototype of this board yet? :D
I'm intrigued...What do the blank keys in the top right do?
Since the winkeyless is based on MX Mini, any chance at all that the winkeyless PCB will be compatible with the LZ-Mini alum. housing (here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34767)), in case that it will stop being just a tease and actually be available?
I want it. Including the rubber-band ties!
Would this qualify as something like a 75% board?
+1 Interest.
Cheers,
I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.
So this should be considered a 75%
Would there be an option to purchase PCB separate?
still nobody wants to make a project like this but with wireless keyboard >:DIMHO: Wireless = batteries = a pain in the ass.
still nobody wants to make a project like this but with wireless keyboard >:DIMHO: Wireless = batteries = a pain in the ass.
UNLESS someone was to design a wireless keyboard with an internal, rechargeable battery that can be plugged into and charged via USB. Does such a keyboard even exist?
And how would you get nkro over wireless USB?Well considering many wired USB keyboards are still only 6KRO, I would have to say that it would be unlikely that an affordable wireless keyboard can be made with NKRO.
IMHO: Wireless = batteries = a pain in the ass.
UNLESS someone was to design a wireless keyboard with an internal, rechargeable battery that can be plugged into and charged via USB. Does such a keyboard even exist?
And how would you get nkro over wireless USB?
It can be done, but selecting battery cell + designing the charging circuit will be the "tricky" part. But Wireless is always asking for trouble imo.
no soldering necessary!!
no soldering necessary!!
Umm, wrong. Notice it says DIY. Also go to the main web page and look that it may even require SMT soldering.
This looks pretty identical to a MX mini except without the 1.5x modifiers, and that is what I am assuming is a centered stemmed caps lock?
This looks pretty identical to a MX mini except without the 1.5x modifiers, and that is what I am assuming is a centered stemmed caps lock?
Nice work. A bit like the Race, but with more standard caps.
Nice work. A bit like the Race, but with more standard caps.
I was going to buy a RACE for sure, but I think I will wait for yours. Please say you will provide some kind of indestructible casing design for this venture?
will it be 6kro, right?
Any info about the price? This thing is tempting
Some people are more comfortable with through hole soldering. Is there any way to move the SMD stuff to a sub-board (or better yet, have the SMD stuff done at the factory, and the through-hole by DIYers and small-enterprisers on the forum?
Either way, I'd be in for one, depending on the price. I've always wanted a smaller 'board, and this looks excellent!
The winkeyless layout is sweet. The site also says it comes with keycaps as well as the case. This may be too rich for my blood but I'm interested as long as the price is sane.
Im pretty darn sure that I will be in for 1 or more. Switch options?
Are those keycaps the Cream Cheese and Blue set? Or are they a different set?
Are those keycaps the Cream Cheese and Blue set? Or are they a different set?
Some people are more comfortable with through hole soldering. Is there any way to move the SMD stuff to a sub-board (or better yet, have the SMD stuff done at the factory, and the through-hole by DIYers and small-enterprisers on the forum?im interested an agree with this you should have the smd done by the factory if possible and id be willing to build kits for people that want the board but dont want to solder.
Either way, I'd be in for one, depending on the price. I've always wanted a smaller 'board, and this looks excellent!
Some people are more comfortable with through hole soldering. Is there any way to move the SMD stuff to a sub-board (or better yet, have the SMD stuff done at the factory, and the through-hole by DIYers and small-enterprisers on the forum?im interested an agree with this you should have the smd done by the factory if possible and id be willing to build kits for people that want the board but dont want to solder.
Either way, I'd be in for one, depending on the price. I've always wanted a smaller 'board, and this looks excellent!
Also this layout looks very close to one that i designed for WASD and also posted in the GH60 keyboard thread.
Also this layout looks very close to one that i designed for WASD and also posted in the GH60 keyboard thread.
Would you be able to design the PCB so that my layout is supported? If not its not much different so no big deal. The spacebar is still standard right?Some people are more comfortable with through hole soldering. Is there any way to move the SMD stuff to a sub-board (or better yet, have the SMD stuff done at the factory, and the through-hole by DIYers and small-enterprisers on the forum?im interested an agree with this you should have the smd done by the factory if possible and id be willing to build kits for people that want the board but dont want to solder.
Either way, I'd be in for one, depending on the price. I've always wanted a smaller 'board, and this looks excellent!
Also this layout looks very close to one that i designed for WASD and also posted in the GH60 keyboard thread.
I flipped one of the 1.25x onto the other side to make the bottom row look a bit more balanced on both sides.
Also this layout looks very close to one that i designed for WASD and also posted in the GH60 keyboard thread.
your layout, TheProfosist, if probably my ideal keyboard layout :) I'd probably put FN instead of Menu, though
Do you have a rough idea of what it would cost for PCB (with LED, diodes and SMD), plate and controller? eg. everything except case, switches and keycaps.Asked the same thing a bit ago, it isnt known because everything has been order singularly up until now. But price is assumed to be some where around the Phantom.
are there any softwares to design this kind of layouts (with color and legend)? If not, why don't we make one :)no i dont think there is specific software or atleast i dont know of any i have just been using photoshop to add legends. It gets the job done for just demonstrating a layout.
are there any softwares to design this kind of layouts (with color and legend)? If not, why don't we make one :)no i dont think there is specific software or atleast i dont know of any i have just been using photoshop to add legends. It gets the job done for just demonstrating a layout.
yeah, photoshop or gimp or even inkscape might all work. I was thinking about something more automated everyone could enjoy. I might invest some time in a software like that (maybe even browser based), but maybe it's something too technical to have a decent audience.
yeah, photoshop or gimp or even inkscape might all work. I was thinking about something more automated everyone could enjoy. I might invest some time in a software like that (maybe even browser based), but maybe it's something too technical to have a decent audience.
still nobody wants to make a project like this but with wireless keyboard >:DIMHO: Wireless = batteries = a pain in the ass.
UNLESS someone was to design a wireless keyboard with an internal, rechargeable battery that can be plugged into and charged via USB. Does such a keyboard even exist?
still nobody wants to make a project like this but with wireless keyboard >:DIMHO: Wireless = batteries = a pain in the ass.
UNLESS someone was to design a wireless keyboard with an internal, rechargeable battery that can be plugged into and charged via USB. Does such a keyboard even exist?
Sanyo Eneloops work well in keyboards. I ran them in my MX5500. Rechargeable batteries are less of a PITA if they last for months of daily use, and you don't have to keep buying them.
when the device tells you the battey is low, change it or charge it. Theres really no reason to have it die on youstill nobody wants to make a project like this but with wireless keyboard >:DIMHO: Wireless = batteries = a pain in the ass.
UNLESS someone was to design a wireless keyboard with an internal, rechargeable battery that can be plugged into and charged via USB. Does such a keyboard even exist?
Sanyo Eneloops work well in keyboards. I ran them in my MX5500. Rechargeable batteries are less of a PITA if they last for months of daily use, and you don't have to keep buying them.
The problem is partially replacing batteries, but also the fact that at any moment in a game the battery could run out. The number of times its happened to me playing WoW back in the day is uncountable.
I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.
So this should be considered a 75%
I would probably say no to that because the few extra keys you get on the function row allow you to fit a TKL layout into a smaller form factor and still have all of the keys. Example my layout I made for WASD that I plan to use on my KS Mini until layers are supported.I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.
So this should be considered a 75%
I wish we start seeing 65% keyboards (68-70 keys) ie with dedicated arrow keys but WITHOUT a dedicated function key row. Any hope in that direction?
I would probably say no to that because the few extra keys you get on the function row allow you to fit a TKL layout into a smaller form factor and still have all of the keys. Example my layout I made for WASD that I plan to use on my KS Mini until layers are supported.I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.
So this should be considered a 75%
I wish we start seeing 65% keyboards (68-70 keys) ie with dedicated arrow keys but WITHOUT a dedicated function key row. Any hope in that direction?
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i might re think my layout to be more like my phantom then idk because i did make a rather nice standard layout though.I would probably say no to that because the few extra keys you get on the function row allow you to fit a TKL layout into a smaller form factor and still have all of the keys. Example my layout I made for WASD that I plan to use on my KS Mini until layers are supported.I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.
So this should be considered a 75%
I wish we start seeing 65% keyboards (68-70 keys) ie with dedicated arrow keys but WITHOUT a dedicated function key row. Any hope in that direction?
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I've Tested layers on my firmware. Not sure if it's the best implementation, but it does work.
I think it's considered a 75% board if it has the function row and cursor arrow/navigation keys, e.g. Race, Choc Mini. The 60% boards lack those dedicated keys, e.g. Poker, Pure, HHKB.
So this should be considered a 75%
I wish we start seeing 65% keyboards (68-70 keys) ie with dedicated arrow keys but WITHOUT a dedicated function key row. Any hope in that direction?
Hows is this project coming along any update is better than nothing.
sounds great!Hows is this project coming along any update is better than nothing.
Just settled into new home and I'm starting to settle into my new job. I am currently looking to finish off the case and things should get rolling again after that.
I'm so excited about this that I'm refusing to buy any new KBs until this comes out. Any idea about time frame? Also since you have prototypes already you might want to try kickstarter.com where people love to spend money on DIY type products.
Interested in this. Does this also use the teensy controller for easy reprogramming? If not, what controller is it using?
Would it fit in the LZ mini case?
Was told to post here by sherriton wether im for winkey or winkeyless:
I want my winkey as its very helpful in win 7 and will be even more so in 8.
It uses the same micro-controller as the teensy and at the moment is using a ported version of the Phantom firmware. The only difference will be how you load it onto the keyboard. I'll see if I can write some simple package to load the firmware instead of going through the commands/tools of programming the atmel chip.
The chip is: atmega32u4
It uses the same micro-controller as the teensy and at the moment is using a ported version of the Phantom firmware. The only difference will be how you load it onto the keyboard. I'll see if I can write some simple package to load the firmware instead of going through the commands/tools of programming the atmel chip.
The chip is: atmega32u4
So meaning it uses the atmega32u4 chip (same as phantom), but will be soldered directly on the keyboard's PCB instead of having a separate daughterboard like in phantom or Filco? If this is the case, does that mean that all other SMD components (including the mini-USB port) will be soldered directly on the PCB from the factory? I'm very interested to see how the end product turns out.
I'm definitely pro winkey (1 on the left), or better let's call it "super" :) On linux it's pretty handy.I agree. I use super more in linux than windows. It's also pretty easy to make up more with openbox.
But The Cheat is a TKL, and this is a 75% (IIRC) So it wouldn't be possible to have both winkey and 1.5 mods.that reminds me as i hadnt heard of that shorcut before is there a list of all those win+ shorcuts somwhere? i mean there were a bunch of just shortcuts in general that were added in win7 that were never really publicized and should have been
I guess you could just map a winkey to one of the keys furthest to the right, but I like it on the left (easier to use with win+E etc.)
But The Cheat is a TKL, and this is a 75% (IIRC) So it wouldn't be possible to have both winkey and 1.5 mods.
I guess you could just map a winkey to one of the keys furthest to the right, but I like it on the left (easier to use with win+E etc.)
that reminds me as i hadnt heard of that shorcut before is there a list of all those win+ shorcuts somwhere?Longwheight made a nice collection on this website http://www.key-bored.net/keyboard-shortcuts/ (http://www.key-bored.net/keyboard-shortcuts/)
Sorry about this. Wait for our other stuff. We're super busy getting everything else ready. We just got a few shipments of things we have to organize.You have got to be kidding me with the Phantom 60%, with the GH60 coming out and all. Why don't you publicize what your business plans are?
Would you guys prefer to continue this or go with our new PCB 60% (aka Phantom 60%)?
Sorry about this. Wait for our other stuff. We're super busy getting everything else ready. We just got a few shipments of things we have to organize.You have got to be kidding me with the Phantom 60%, with the GH60 coming out and all. Why don't you publicize what your business plans are?
Would you guys prefer to continue this or go with our new PCB 60% (aka Phantom 60%)?
im geting a warning for keyboard story from chrome
im geting a warning for keyboard story from chrome
Bump. Any end-of-year update?
PS - now that I have my MX Mini put together, I would strongly echo the sentiment that the left Alt is too far left. The spacebar should be shortened, the left Alt moved to the right, and a space added for a 1x key that could be used as a Winkey, a Fn key, or anything else you wanted. The Ctrl and Alt keys on both sides could remain 1.5x keys or you could shorten one of them to 1.25x so that you'd be left with a 6.25x spacebar.
Bump. Any end-of-year update?
PS - now that I have my MX Mini put together, I would strongly echo the sentiment that the left Alt is too far left. The spacebar should be shortened, the left Alt moved to the right, and a space added for a 1x key that could be used as a Winkey, a Fn key, or anything else you wanted. The Ctrl and Alt keys on both sides could remain 1.5x keys or you could shorten one of them to 1.25x so that you'd be left with a 6.25x spacebar.
I like this keyboard a lot. But I agree with gimpster on a couple of fronts. One is the placement, the other is how many keys would not be included in a normal 87/104 keycap set. So here is a very similar layout designed to address those issues.
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Keycaps in brown do not match keys in standard 87/104 sets.
- Ron | samwisekoi
I like samwisekoi's layout. and it is almost like MX Mini's layout. the problem with sam's layout is, as he pointed out, some keys are of non-standard profile and width at their locations. If custom keycaps are made for them, it would work.
For me personally, the right-most column would be from top to bottom:
Del
Home
PageUp
PageDown
End
This matches with a lot of laptop layouts out there :-)
well the original blog http://blog.keyboardstory.com/introducing-the-ks-mini/ post says that the keyboard will be fully programable so that should fix any mapping needs, also the winkey layout is almost exactly whats being proposed except with a 1.25 ctrl, instead of alt key
well the original blog http://blog.keyboardstory.com/introducing-the-ks-mini/ post says that the keyboard will be fully programable so that should fix any mapping needs, also the winkey layout is almost exactly whats being proposed except with a 1.25 ctrl, instead of alt key
Well, rats. I hadn't read that until now. I use Ctrl_R way more than Alt_R anyhow, so that layout is a-okay!
Keyboardstory, come take my money!
- Ron | samwisekoi
Don't you hate it when your customers are clamoring for faster times, but you're stuck on waiting for another company to quit dragging their feet and give you a quote? That happens to me all the time, and I hate it 'cause after doing everything in my power to make things quick, I end up being slow because of someone else.
Still, good to hear. It looks like we are one step closer to production.
You may find a similar formfactor available in the GH75 project if that ever hits GB phase. Or is it GH60++? Something like that.
You may find a similar formfactor available in the GH75 project if that ever hits GB phase. Or is it GH60++? Something like that.
GH60++ includes the GH65 (GH60 + one column) and GH75 (GH65 + one row). You can see the GH75 in my sig and in several pictures from the packing party and in various threads.
The GH75 we hope to make with a modular PCB, so the user can remove the function key row to make a GH65. Regardless, we are only waiting for the GH60 project to stop cycling so we can loop a PCB designer into the team and go to production.
Plates, cases, and firmware are designed and/or available. Retro DSA keycaps fit 100% of the keyboard. We just need a PCB to launch the GB.
- Ron | samwisekoiShow Image(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75.png)
You may find a similar formfactor available in the GH75 project if that ever hits GB phase. Or is it GH60++? Something like that.
GH60++ includes the GH65 (GH60 + one column) and GH75 (GH65 + one row). You can see the GH75 in my sig and in several pictures from the packing party and in various threads.
The GH75 we hope to make with a modular PCB, so the user can remove the function key row to make a GH65. Regardless, we are only waiting for the GH60 project to stop cycling so we can loop a PCB designer into the team and go to production.
Plates, cases, and firmware are designed and/or available. Retro DSA keycaps fit 100% of the keyboard. We just need a PCB to launch the GB.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Will the GH60++ fit with any keycap (I am pretty sure that it would, but since you insist on DSA maybe it is specifically oriented for this specific profile). Also, will it be ready for full backlit or not?
These features are not like 100% essentials, but since the design is oriented for less key placement options (I like the way they are placed anyway) and the backlit was not an option on the GH60, it would be nice to have it on this project. :cool:
You may find a similar formfactor available in the GH75 project if that ever hits GB phase. Or is it GH60++? Something like that.
GH60++ includes the GH65 (GH60 + one column) and GH75 (GH65 + one row). You can see the GH75 in my sig and in several pictures from the packing party and in various threads.
The GH75 we hope to make with a modular PCB, so the user can remove the function key row to make a GH65. Regardless, we are only waiting for the GH60 project to stop cycling so we can loop a PCB designer into the team and go to production.
Plates, cases, and firmware are designed and/or available. Retro DSA keycaps fit 100% of the keyboard. We just need a PCB to launch the GB.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Will the GH60++ fit with any keycap (I am pretty sure that it would, but since you insist on DSA maybe it is specifically oriented for this specific profile). Also, will it be ready for full backlit or not?
These features are not like 100% essentials, but since the design is oriented for less key placement options (I like the way they are placed anyway) and the backlit was not an option on the GH60, it would be nice to have it on this project. :cool:
This isn't a GH75 thread, but since you asked...
1) Any MX keycaps will fit. In fact, I designed the plate so you could buy a stock set and fit everything except a few 1x keycaps.Show Image(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=31861.0;attach=16083;image)
GH75 prototype v.2
2) I'm not much into lit keyboards myself, but that becomes a question for the PCB design more than anything else. If nothing else, I think it should have the lighting capabilities of the Poker. (Some LEDs stock, plus all positions drilled for LED installation.)
- Ron | samwisekoiShow Image(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75.png)
It seems that way, yes. Be sure to check out what Samwisekoi has coming down the pipes as his keyboards look very promising.
Nice layout. I want to get some extra keys for this set. Are those blank keys just for fun? Anything particular about those blank keys?
Would there be a possibility for 1.5x Control and Alt?