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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 13:42:25 »
I am noticing how much hate Sky Dolch is getting here, and I don't understand why. Is it because it's a "big" company like Massdrop?
I personally like Sky Dolch and probably will get GMK Dolch here too.

It's because a GMK set didn't originate on GeekHack, so GeekHack has to take a giant **** on it to feel good about themselves.  What the actual ****?
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 14:03:37 »
I am noticing how much hate Sky Dolch is getting here, and I don't understand why. Is it because it's a "big" company like Massdrop?
I personally like Sky Dolch and probably will get GMK Dolch here too.

It's because a GMK set didn't originate on GeekHack, so GeekHack has to take a giant **** on it to feel good about themselves.  What the actual ****?

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 14:07:08 »

I am noticing how much hate Sky Dolch is getting here, and I don't understand why. Is it because it's a "big" company like Massdrop?
I personally like Sky Dolch and probably will get GMK Dolch here too.

It's because a GMK set didn't originate on GeekHack, so GeekHack has to take a giant **** on it to feel good about themselves.  What the actual ****?

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 14:12:00 »
I am noticing how much hate Sky Dolch is getting here, and I don't understand why. Is it because it's a "big" company like Massdrop?
I personally like Sky Dolch and probably will get GMK Dolch here too.

It's because a GMK set didn't originate on GeekHack, so GeekHack has to take a giant **** on it to feel good about themselves.  What the actual ****?
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #54 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 14:18:10 »
Jesus tapdancing christ people.

These threads went to ****ing **** fast. The hyperbole on both sides is insanity. Everyone needs to calm the hell down, we're talking about colors on goddamn keycaps.

Chill da fuk out.

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #55 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 14:20:18 »
I don't think anyone needs to get mad. I am sorry if you feel like I was circlejerking or whatever, but I have been planning a Soware set for a while, and have talked to multiple members here about it. My intention is not to put down this keyset, if you want it, by all means buy it. I just wanted to let people know my intention of running a similar set sometime in the future. I will stop talking about other sets in here now.  :-X

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #56 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 15:01:51 »
I am noticing how much hate Sky Dolch is getting here, and I don't understand why. Is it because it's a "big" company like Massdrop?
I personally like Sky Dolch and probably will get GMK Dolch here too.

It's because a GMK set didn't originate on GeekHack, so GeekHack has to take a giant **** on it to feel good about themselves.  What the actual ****?


So over dramatic lmao

So a couple people don't like it and now it's all of GH.
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #57 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 15:03:16 »
Sky Dolch looks like ****. And mixed profiles again? Ugh.
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Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #58 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 15:17:12 »
[...] And mixed profiles again? Ugh.

Yeah, that's my problem too.

Right now it always seems like GMK sets try to support everything, but also try to keep key counts down, leading to sets like this.

I wonder if there would be enough interest in a "Modern GMK"* set that concentrates on newer 40/45/60/65% layouts. Jettison 1800 support, R5, and hell maybe even all the ten keys.

* Maybe "Trendy GMK" would be the better moniker -- but that would also be terribly redundant  :)

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #59 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 15:26:36 »
All these rehashed color ways are so ****ing boring now
Dolch
Soware
Skidata
Retro

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #60 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 18:02:56 »
I think this Sky Dolch set has nice colours, but whoever designed the set has absolutely no experience with GMK.

Instead of picking interesting legends and keys to add as extras, such as a delete symbol for the HHKB backspace, the guy picked a weird CTRL in caps legend for the 1.5 keys, which looks good on a vintage keyset like TA but completely horrible on a modern set like this.

This just tells me that the guy running this has absolutely no design integrity, or any understanding of what the community prefers, and straight up ripped off the TA mockup for the layout.

I still like the colours and everything, but this might be difficult to support.

Edit: Not to mention, mixed profiles. He really just 100% ripped off TA.
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #61 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 19:55:46 »
Massdrop are pretty awful at communicating with the community. I think after the GMK TA drop they have just started seeing GMK sets as some massive cash cow that can be used without IC or consultations (note: Intelli did a lot of consultation and that's why TA worked so well IMO)

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #62 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 19:56:14 »
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #63 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 20:03:17 »
The colors are meh. Has nothing to do with MD or not.
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #64 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 20:27:56 »
7Bit's Round 4 "Retro" style was almost like this one, but with lighter alphas. That set was not particularly well received, mostly because the light legends on light alphas were hard to read.

There are some pictures of it at the bottom of its Wiki article.

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Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #65 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 21:17:09 »
All these rehashed color ways are so ****ing boring now
Dolch
Soware
Skidata
Retro
FWIW Skidata has only been done once before by Originative, and they ****ed that up pretty badly. Retro has only been ran twice, but so has Miami, and Hyperfuse has been run 3 times, and Olivetti / CB have been done a good bit as well. RA color ways regardless of Mods / Alphas colors has been run a lot as well. Things are obviously run a lot. Dolch is run too much, but Soware itself has only been run once as well. Soware is WYSE base colors, while skolch is sky blue Dolch.
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #66 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 21:26:49 »
All these rehashed color ways are so ****ing boring now
Dolch
Soware
Skidata
Retro
FWIW Skidata has only been done once before by Originative, and they ****ed that up pretty badly. Retro has only been ran twice, but so has Miami, and Hyperfuse has been run 3 times, and Olivetti / CB have been done a good bit as well. RA color ways regardless of Mods / Alphas colors has been run a lot as well. Things are obviously run a lot. Dolch is run too much, but Soware itself has only been run once as well. Soware is WYSE base colors, while skolch is sky blue Dolch.
I'm not against the idea of gmk soware. I'm just bored of everything being a version of dolch.

I'd love to see tj's orange crush set be made. But people would rather run the same GB every other month. Isn't there an IC for a Russian set also?

Red alert is another that needs to be given up on. Three SP sets and one GMK set. We have some talented people here, I don't see the need to keep going back to the same things over and over. Plus I hate dolch.
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #67 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 21:28:50 »

All these rehashed color ways are so ****ing boring now
Dolch
Soware
Skidata
Retro
FWIW Skidata has only been done once before by Originative, and they ****ed that up pretty badly. Retro has only been ran twice, but so has Miami, and Hyperfuse has been run 3 times, and Olivetti / CB have been done a good bit as well. RA color ways regardless of Mods / Alphas colors has been run a lot as well. Things are obviously run a lot. Dolch is run too much, but Soware itself has only been run once as well. Soware is WYSE base colors, while skolch is sky blue Dolch.
I'm not against the idea of gmk soware. I'm just bored of everything being a version of dolch.

I'd love to see tj's orange crush set be made. But people would rather run the same GB every other month. Isn't there an IC for a Russian set also?

Red alert is another that needs to be given up on. Three SP sets and one GMK set. We have some talented people here, I don't see the need to keep going back to the same things over and over. Plus I hate dolch.
I agree, Dolch-style colorways have been overplayed, even though it is one of my favorite sets. Orange crush will be a really nice set, as there seem to be no more new sets being made and only re-done versions done. Originality seems to be lacking, but I am glad some things are being done in Cherry profile as I personally can't stand DCS caps.

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #68 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 21:33:02 »
Eh, I really don't care for profiles. Just as long as it isn't god awful SA.

Cherry is fine, dcs is fine. Only reason I'd pick gmk over sp is for the thicker key caps. If I'm going to pay $$ I'd want my money's worth.

I'd just really love a nice Orange on light grey set. Bunny's purple set was a breath of fresh air tbh. I'm sad I missed out on that.
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #69 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 21:47:51 »
iirc massdrop favors reddit users HEAVILY over GH users

this set is weak at best, i'm not sure who's idea this was, but it's not good

we need some new colorways, but nobody wants to run them because they're worried about them not selling

people will still buy DCS if the colorway is good, and if it's like $40, that's enticing to a lot more people, especially the reddit audience

no more dolch

no more "retro"

no more SA

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #70 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:06:07 »
I'd love to see tj's orange crush set be made.

I would, as well.

Isn't there an IC for a Russian set also?

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #71 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:11:29 »
I ask myself that of many users. Sadly I'm not in charge of who stays and who goes. TIL pac is back.
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #72 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:28:31 »
yeah pac is back for what seems like the 20th time

and i still think he's a knob
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #73 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:41:16 »
Well the knob-ends keep coming back because of the siren call of money and people just keep throwing it at them.

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #74 on: Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:54:23 »

Eh, I really don't care for profiles. Just as long as it isn't god awful SA.

Cherry is fine, dcs is fine. Only reason I'd pick gmk over sp is for the thicker key caps. If I'm going to pay $$ I'd want my money's worth.

yes sir. I've tried them all, and the only ones I just can't deal with are SA and DSA.
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #75 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 10:49:00 »
iirc massdrop favors reddit users HEAVILY over GH users

this set is weak at best, i'm not sure who's idea this was, but it's not good

we need some new colorways, but nobody wants to run them because they're worried about them not selling

people will still buy DCS if the colorway is good, and if it's like $40, that's enticing to a lot more people, especially the reddit audience

no more dolch

no more "retro"

no more SA

white/purple would be hot

Massdrop loves reddit, they are "enthusiasts" with a larger group of users who will blindly follow hype. They don't care about geekhack and the real enthusiasts. Definitely a cash cow for them.. Especially with the popularity of GMK this year.. Massdrop is taking this niche hobby and exploiting it for all it is worth.. Nothing on massdrop is ever worth buying anymore in their mechanical keyboard section.

Also bunnylake and Jtkeycaps just did a white on purple set which is supposed to be in cherry profile. Not GMK but still a new colorway for the community.

I'd love to see tj's orange crush set be made.

I would, as well.

Isn't there an IC for a Russian set also?

Run by Pacifist. You can judge for yourself on that one, but I wouldn't go anywhere near it. Why won't that idiot **** off to reddit or somewhere already, and leave us alone?

If you actually go back and check that thread, MGH/Pacifist actually just quit again lol. He is quitting just as more and more people are finding out he is back.

The cyrillic GMK dye sub set is still set to happen though in tandem with Potek's beige.

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #76 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:08:52 »
Can people come up with some ****ing original names for their keysets or are we just going to call everything Dolch? The original wasn't even that great.
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #77 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:16:09 »
Wow, the circlejerk happening in here is ****ing disgusting.
Maybe it's not a circlejerk. Maybe people just don't like the set because it's a badly thought out set.
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #78 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:28:06 »
THIS LOOKS LIKE **** AND THE GB DIDN'T START ON GH SO I H8 IT!

SHOULD CHANGE THE NAME TO POO DOLCH BECAUSE IT REMINDS ME OF POOP ON DOLCH.

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #79 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 11:46:26 »
THIS LOOKS LIKE ****

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #81 on: Sun, 02 August 2015, 12:46:02 »
It can be pretty hard to judge from GMK mock ups, as their colors are always way off... it could look OK, but the cyan on light grey would likely have some contrast issue. The legends are a bit here and there also. Not really my cup of tea either way.

Coming up with original colorways that people actually will get behind enough to make it to MOQ with GMK ain't easy. People like rehash as they can see what it actually looks like on some existing vintage board or prior run.
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #82 on: Mon, 03 August 2015, 06:41:07 »
It can be pretty hard to judge from GMK mock ups, as their colors are always way off... it could look OK, but the cyan on light grey would likely have some contrast issue. The legends are a bit here and there also. Not really my cup of tea either way.

Coming up with original colorways that people actually will get behind enough to make it to MOQ with GMK ain't easy. People like rehash as they can see what it actually looks like on some existing vintage board or prior run.

Yeah. I mean I think a set with UN6037 alphas and UN4056 mods, with opposite color legends, would look pretty cool, but 1. Too close to reversed hyperfuse 2. It's basically purple Miami 3. Too much risk of two midtones being illegible like Miami is to me 4. Who the hell else would even use something like that, and I'm not sure *I* even would, I just think it would look cool. :P

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #83 on: Mon, 03 August 2015, 07:24:24 »
Wow, the circlejerk happening in here is ****ing disgusting.
i suppose people are angry because GMK sets, as per tradition, have mostly been collaborative endeavors. now you have an outsider commercial entity (with almost non-existent community presence) trying to join the fray and it certainly feels like toes are being stepped on

that and the set is just awful

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #84 on: Mon, 03 August 2015, 08:21:12 »
Wow, the circlejerk happening in here is ****ing disgusting.
i suppose people are angry because GMK sets, as per tradition, have mostly been collaborative endeavors. now you have an outsider commercial entity (with almost non-existent community presence) trying to join the fray and it certainly feels like toes are being stepped on

that and the set is just awful

Sums it up perfectly imo

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #85 on: Mon, 03 August 2015, 09:02:44 »
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #86 on: Mon, 03 August 2015, 11:46:47 »
I'm noticing that in the mock up picture, the F and J keys have nubs.  Every other GMK set I've seen uses the scooped F and J keys.  Is scooped vs. nubs a choice that GMK normally offers?
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #87 on: Mon, 03 August 2015, 11:52:36 »
I'm noticing that in the mock up picture, the F and J keys have nubs.  Every other GMK set I've seen uses the scooped F and J keys.  Is scooped vs. nubs a choice that GMK normally offers?

I think so.  The Miami Nights renders had bars too, IIRC

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #88 on: Mon, 03 August 2015, 19:48:01 »
I'm noticing that in the mock up picture, the F and J keys have nubs.  Every other GMK set I've seen uses the scooped F and J keys.  Is scooped vs. nubs a choice that GMK normally offers?

yep

I believe that they also offer a scoops with nibs option as well

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #89 on: Fri, 07 August 2015, 04:34:40 »
This is very misleading by the way: https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-9903_20150730224207_ad5d467e4667e0fa.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1

That alpha actually looks tolerable, however, it's not CC, that photo gives the impression that the base is actually white
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #90 on: Fri, 07 August 2015, 20:46:53 »
Doesn't look like old Sky Dolch is doing that well. I wonder if it will hit MOQ

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #91 on: Fri, 07 August 2015, 22:05:23 »
Doesn't look like old Sky Dolch is doing that well. I wonder if it will hit MOQ

I'm quite sure it will drop but not at the lowest price
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #92 on: Fri, 07 August 2015, 22:34:22 »

Doesn't look like old Sky Dolch is doing that well. I wonder if it will hit MOQ

I'm quite sure it will drop but not at the lowest point

It needs to get at least 250 orders to happen

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #93 on: Sat, 08 August 2015, 06:11:59 »
I'm 99% sure it will launch whether it hits MOQ or not

I'm not sure whether I should join tho, apart from the contrast issues, it has all the keys that I want, a 1.25 "Ctrl" and it would be just perfect
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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #94 on: Sat, 08 August 2015, 09:48:32 »
Yeah I wonder if Sherryton/Sheraton is teaming up with MD for this.

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #95 on: Sat, 08 August 2015, 22:57:12 »
The colors chosen for this set are fine and are actually a pretty good combo, but they botched their usage of them. I think something like light grey alphas, darker-blue mods, and dark grey ledgends would look better.

It sucks b/c I'm newish to this and sorta want a GMK set. Maybe I'll wait for the SNES GB :/

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #96 on: Sat, 08 August 2015, 23:43:04 »
I can certainly agree that I find rehashes of OG sets somewhat lame and yet can understand their appeal at the same time. It fills in gaps that OG boards had when paired with modern layouts, whether unavailable altogether or a rare variant that would be cost prohibitive for most to acquire. I also think that all the hate on this Dol-WaRe set is a little ridiculous. People are going to buy it anyway. It almost seems like it's a bureaucratic thing where, because it did not go through the normal process chain of IC  -> approval -> GB, it's getting torn to shreds. 

Also, considering mock-ups, I must say that Triumph Adler looked no where near as nice in mock up as it does in pictures post-delivery. I'm sure this set will look fine and dandy, though I will confer that there was a bit of a faux pas in not getting community feedback for this set, and that has left us with mismatched profiles and certain design quirks, but overall, I still think it's a nice set.

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #97 on: Sun, 09 August 2015, 00:02:02 »
After seeing how TA was handled, I'd be skeptical to join this GB.

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #98 on: Sun, 09 August 2015, 01:51:16 »
I am just not feeling the color of the legends...

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Re: Sky Dolch on Massdrop
« Reply #99 on: Sun, 09 August 2015, 08:59:06 »
Sky Dolch looks like ****. And mixed profiles again? Ugh.

I don't think it looks that bad. But the difference between a set like Sky Dolch and a set that is community designed is all in the details. I feel like if someone here posted this set in a proper [IC] people would definitely jump behind it, though the feedback would help clean up a lot of the small issues and details. The details really are what make a set worth the premium price, in my opinion.
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