[IC] Ergo Dox parts GB

[jwaz]

Gathering interest for a mass order of components for the ErgoDox keyboard project.
This will be an order for those of us in the US. 

Here is a list of the parts we will be potentially ordering:
http://ergodox.org/Hardware.aspx

*This does not, for the present, include Switches (through Sherryton?)/ PCBs/ Plate/ Cases/ Keys (though we will probably do GB for these through WASD or potentially someone who can do PBT)

I'll update this with the pricing tiers ASAP, for now please register you interest in the Google form, below and feel free to add any comments, etc.

Order Form

Interest List:
JesuswasaZombie
The_Beast
TheProfosist
DanGWanG
mushrew
sherryton
heuristicist
REVENGE
judascleric
wiredPanda

[dorkvader]

I am interested

I have been interested in grabbing an ergo dox when it's complete. Does this US GB include Canada? If so I'm interested.

Specifically, no, but as long as there aren't too many orders, I'd happily forward them to north America.

I am sure having another person do EU Distribution will be much easier and cheaper for everyone than having me mail individually from the USA

[Halverson]

I have been interested in grabbing an ergo dox when it's complete. Does this US GB include Canada? If so I'm interested.

[TheProfosist]

Interested in the ergo dox as well hard to follow everything sice its mainly talked about on deskthority though.

[dirge]

Us only, ****ing wonderful.

[jwaz]

I'm sure someone will probably run one for Europe, I guess I'm just lazy and don't want to handle the logistics...

[dirge]

Post removed, not having a Go just it annoys me when none Americans are excluded

[jwaz]

well maybe I should include everyone.

I would need someone to voluteer to do distribution over there however.

[sherryton]

I can handle the switches if you guys need.  I can also get springs, stickers, lube plates, and imsto cherry replica keys at a lower cost.

[jwaz]

That would be awesome. thanks, Sherry! So it looks we will be able to include switches in this buy.


Do you think it would be possible to order keys from Imsto that would fit Ergo Dox?

[OrangeJewce]

No plate or cases makes this meaningless to me :/

Is this considered the "official" gb by dox?

Cheers,

[TheProfosist]

No plate or cases makes this meaningless to me :/

Is this considered the "official" gb by dox?

Cheers,

Agreed I kinda need the case, PCB, and plate. Those are the main parts of the keyboard.

[jwaz]

Not "official" but a sanction from Dox is more than welcome. Like I stated in the OP, this is for parts and not anything else. I'm just a fan trying to help push the project forward so I can sell all my other keyboards

And this is just a way for you to get cheap parts to build it with, not a GB for the whole kit. I could potentially do a whole kit but that is something that I would have to get figured out with Dox. As it stand right now this GB would be for just the parts that are required to put the thing together.

AFAIK there will be group buys for PCB (based of DV interest list), case and plate as well. The purpose here is just to get everything else you might need in one buy.

No plate or cases makes this meaningless to me :/

Is this considered the "official" gb by dox?

Cheers,

Agreed I kinda need the case, PCB, and plate. Those are the main parts of the keyboard.

So the PCB will be made in Europe and distributed AFAIK.

Maybe someone like Oneproduct could help us make cheap but good quality plates if that isn't already going to be included in the initial PCB order.

When it comes to cases, that I'm not sure about. DorkVader and I were talking about trying to source a manufacturer. I personally, would really like something akin to the Ti KMAC case (CNC).

[TheProfosist]

Any clue when the GB for the main parts is going to pop up?

[The_Beast]

Any idea with the Ergo-Dox PCBs will be made? I'm just looking for a general time line so I have a better idea of what's happening since I'm 100% lost on this project because it started before I was  Geekhacker

[jwaz]

I guess if we have the file for the PCB we could start a run over here with Dox's permission. So to me it's sounding like everyone mainly wants complete kits and the expensive hardware like plate/ case...

Tempted to turn this into more than just small parts and do a kit, I'll have to ask Dox about it though.

[The_Beast]

I could help with the plate. I recently got a quote for a TKL sized plate that was $25.00 per plate (the more you order the cheaper they get) and he would use .063” 5052-h32 alum with a tolerance of +/-.002"

[TheProfosist]

I could help with the plate. I recently got a quote for a TKL sized plate that was $25.00 per plate (the more you order the cheaper they get) and he would use .063” 5052-h32 alum with a tolerance of +/-.002"

Just got a quote for my custom Phantom plate at right about $50 for 2 plates in stainless with a tolerance of +/- 0.005. I doubt that is the best price that can be gotten but it was good enough for me being that I only needed 2 plates and want something relatively quick and local.

[jwaz]

I could help with the plate. I recently got a quote for a TKL sized plate that was $25.00 per plate (the more you order the cheaper they get) and he would use .063” 5052-h32 alum with a tolerance of +/-.002"

What kind of pricing drops does he offer based on quantity? I imagine two smaller plates might still be more expensive than one TKL right?

[alaricljs]

The ErgoDox plates are identical aren't they?  Just flip one over to get the other hand.

[jwaz]

They are but identical but you would still need 2 of them.

At 2 per order for even just 30 orders they could be fairly reasonable,  Beast can you get another quote maybe?

[JustCallMeCrash]

Do you have an estimate?  I figured about $35/full set of all electrical parts (minus switches and caps, of course) when I was pricing for 2 full boards.

[jwaz]

It really depends on how many people were interested but no one has touched the form so I'm figuring plates and cases are what people want mainly.

[OrangeJewce]

It really depends on how many people were interested but no one has touched the form so I'm figuring plates and cases are what people want mainly.

Zombie,

     I'd strongly suggest you contact Dox and ic07 before proceeding with this GB. The reason I suggest this is he may not want things distributed over differnt GB's, as this will only raise costs for everyone (as opposed to 1 super large order). I know this may mean we have to wait, but IMO I'm for getting everything at the lowest cost possible with the largest number of orders. Maybe he doesn't care (the project is open source), but I'd like some input before I pony up.

Cheers,

[TheProfosist]

It really depends on how many people were interested but no one has touched the form so I'm figuring plates and cases are what people want mainly.

Order form link is hard to find. Im interested in everything possibly twice over but i think that depends on what the total cost of one keyboard is going to be.

[jwaz]

It really depends on how many people were interested but no one has touched the form so I'm figuring plates and cases are what people want mainly.

Zombie,

     I'd strongly suggest you contact Dox and ic07 before proceeding with this GB. The reason I suggest this is he may not want things distributed over differnt GB's, as this will only raise costs for everyone (as opposed to 1 super large order). I know this may mean we have to wait, but IMO I'm for getting everything at the lowest cost possible with the largest number of orders. Maybe he doesn't care (the project is open source), but I'd like some input before I pony up.

Cheers,

Already PMed him, I wasn't under the impression that they had any interest in running a large order for parts however. He posted the list so people could start getting parts ready, correct?

I realize some little things might change in the BOM but hence why this is an IC and not a GB, yet.

[The_Beast]

They are but identical but you would still need 2 of them.

At 2 per order for even just 30 orders they could be fairly reasonable,  Beast can you get another quote maybe?

I need a DWG file of the plate at a 1:1 scale with everything you need. I can send it out to be quoted today and he should get back to me within ~2 hours.

[OrangeJewce]

It really depends on how many people were interested but no one has touched the form so I'm figuring plates and cases are what people want mainly.

Zombie,

     I'd strongly suggest you contact Dox and ic07 before proceeding with this GB. The reason I suggest this is he may not want things distributed over differnt GB's, as this will only raise costs for everyone (as opposed to 1 super large order). I know this may mean we have to wait, but IMO I'm for getting everything at the lowest cost possible with the largest number of orders. Maybe he doesn't care (the project is open source), but I'd like some input before I pony up.

Cheers,

Already PMed him, I wasn't under the impression that they had any interest in running a large order for parts however. He posted the list so people could start getting parts ready, correct?

I realize some little things might change in the BOM but hence why this is an IC and not a GB, yet.

I don't know what the motivations were. My understanding is the initial group buy would offer everything BUT assembly.

Cheers,

[alaricljs]

I think after the difficulties with the Phantom that anyone that ran it would suggest against a massively collective GB of all parts.

[jwaz]

well when Dox gets back to me, I'll be sure to let you know OJ.

If it does end up being a free for all for parts I'll run this, if Dox has it planned already then that's fine. Either way let's get this show en the road.

[TheProfosist]

well when Dox gets back to me, I'll be sure to let you know OJ.

If it does end up being a free for all for parts I'll run this, if Dox has it planned already then that's fine. Either way let's get this show en the road.

im with you, groupbuys dont need to take forever.

[The_Beast]

I could help with the plate. I recently got a quote for a TKL sized plate that was $25.00 per plate (the more you order the cheaper they get) and he would use .063” 5052-h32 alum with a tolerance of +/-.002"

What kind of pricing drops does he offer based on quantity? I imagine two smaller plates might still be more expensive than one TKL right?

He didn't specifically say when the prices would drop, I can ask once you send me the plate DWG.

[Dox]

I should have the layered plate case design finished by Sunday. Then, we should get some quotes and get this going.
Having all the options/components in one group buy is good if the people that want only the PCBs don't have to wait till the end to get them.
The group buy should also be worldwide with some "distributor" in Europe and Asia if there is enough demand.

[TheProfosist]

sounds good to me glad to hear that the project is coming along

[dorkvader]

I should have the layered plate case design finished by Sunday. Then, we should get some quotes and get this going.
Having all the options/components in one group buy is good if the people that want only the PCBs don't have to wait till the end to get them.
The group buy should also be worldwide with some "distributor" in Europe and Asia if there is enough demand.

Excellent, thanks Dox!

Yes, I'm happy to forward parts to people out of the US, no problems! But having a real distributor for EU is a must. (Also UK or Canada, if there are enough orders).

Has there been any interest for this in Korea, or do they eschew ergo?

[dirge]

Interest check for an Alps version of the dox! Matias new switches are here soon.

[TheProfosist]

Interest check for an Alps version of the dox! Matias new switches are here soon.

make one and see if u get enough people interested an you should specify wether u mean the dox or the ergo dox. Though i assume u mean ergo dox since you posted in this thread.

[heuristicist]

As usual it depends on cost. I'm in for one keyboard assuming total cost of parts (including everything except a case) is less than $200 (or $250 if we need to push it), and if it goes even cheaper I would be in for two.

I am, however, Canadian, so I would appreciate whoever wants to forward it on. If needed, I'm also happy to help distribute parts within Canada. If there's no way of getting Canadians in on it, I can also have stuff sent to family in the US although I'd obviously rather avoid this option.

...seems like I'm going to have to go practice my soldering! (And maybe use this as an excuse to finally buy a soldering iron.)

[OrangeJewce]

As usual it depends on cost. I'm in for one keyboard assuming total cost of parts (including everything except a case) is less than $200 (or $250 if we need to push it), and if it goes even cheaper I would be in for two.

I am, however, Canadian, so I would appreciate whoever wants to forward it on. If needed, I'm also happy to help distribute parts within Canada. If there's no way of getting Canadians in on it, I can also have stuff sent to family in the US although I'd obviously rather avoid this option.

...seems like I'm going to have to go practice my soldering! (And maybe use this as an excuse to finally buy a soldering iron.)

AFAIK your price range is doable. The case will be really expensive no matter how it's done AFAIK ( >$100).

Cheers,

[jwaz]

Well if PCB and parts are <$70 the challenge to keep it under 200 is almost realistic but it all depends on getting cheap machine time for the plate and case.

[jil_jil32]

Stay tuned to this! :3

[sordna]

Regarding switches, Kinesis sells brown and red switches (PCB mount, with built-in diodes) in 15-packs but they could probably do larger volume for cheaper.

[dirge]

7bit is very handy for switches.

[The_Beast]

If you don't mind waiting a long time. Ask dimik, he got clears cheap and fast

[TheProfosist]

I got all my current switches (minus the vintage blacks) from 7bit in the Phantom Grouplbuy and they did take a while....

[bisl]

I'm extremely happy to stumble on this thread, and that Dox has weighed in. Like indescribably excited.
Also has there been a thread mirroring this one made on deskthority? Or at least some way to direct all those people here? Seems like a good way to increase volume.

[TheProfosist]

I believe DOX has been more active on deskthority last time i checked their build thread was pretty active so they may already have a thread like this or not need one... If you want you could make a post there directing people here though I dont know how well that would go over....

[bisl]

Yeah, to be honest I was a little iffy about the legitimacy of this thread until Dox replied and didn't shut it down. Just so, since I'm totally uninvolved with the process I'll leave it to someone who is to create the DT thread.

[jwaz]

Yeah, to be honest I was a little iffy about the legitimacy of this thread until Dox replied and didn't shut it down. Just so, since I'm totally uninvolved with the process I'll leave it to someone who is to create the DT thread.

:/ okay dude with 50 posts... Legitmacy... right.

[bisl]

:/ okay dude with 50 posts... Legitmacy... right.

Don't take it personally, man. It's Dox's project, not your project. I'm happy you're getting the ball rolling but the thread looked pretty unofficial until Dox weighed in.

[TheProfosist]

:/ okay dude with 50 posts... Legitmacy... right.

Don't take it personally, man. It's Dox's project, not your project. I'm happy you're getting the ball rolling but the thread looked pretty unofficial until Dox weighed in.

and whats wrong with unofficial have you seen how were ordering the original dox?

[jwaz]

:/ okay dude with 50 posts... Legitmacy... right.

Don't take it personally, man. It's Dox's project, not your project. I'm happy you're getting the ball rolling but the thread looked pretty unofficial until Dox weighed in.

[bisl]

:/ okay dude with 50 posts... Legitmacy... right.

     I'd strongly suggest you contact Dox and ic07 before proceeding with this GB [...] I'd like some input before I pony up.

[TDub]

+1 Interest in EU GB

[jwaz]

Called out for what? For doing a mass order of parts? LOL

This was green lighted from the second I started it because any interested party in the project may purchase their own parts, why wouldn't they be?

/end of thread derailment   


edit: Updated with interested members list.

[dirge]

Maybe argue over PM and keep it out the thread full stop?  Be nicer with the new guys, we were all new once.

[OrangeJewce]

Honestly after Dox's weighing in has there been any discussion in consolidating this buy with the official buy? Is there going to be an official buy?

Cheers,

[TheProfosist]

Honestly after Dox's weighing in has there been any discussion in consolidating this buy with the official buy? Is there going to be an official buy?

Cheers,

To my knowledge DOX was going to do this the same way that he did the DOX which is everyone orders their own stuff of if a group a people want the same thing (because the DOX was so easily changeable) they could order together which is what me and 2 others are doing with our latest rendition of the DOX. Truthfully I dont think anything has to be official, once DOX it done making the case start up a groubuy.

[wiredPANDA]

I'm interested in the GB, as well, JesuswasaZombie.

[OrangeJewce]

Honestly after Dox's weighing in has there been any discussion in consolidating this buy with the official buy? Is there going to be an official buy?

Cheers,

To my knowledge DOX was going to do this the same way that he did the DOX which is everyone orders their own stuff of if a group a people want the same thing (because the DOX was so easily changeable) they could order together which is what me and 2 others are doing with our latest rendition of the DOX. Truthfully I dont think anything has to be official, once DOX it done making the case start up a groubuy.

OK well in the original GH thread that wasn't my understanding. But maybe I'm wrong; I'll have to go back and check it out.

Cheers,

[jwaz]

well if you find out otherwise let me know.

I just want to get cheap parts for this amazing keyboard project, only reason I'm doing this. Just want to give back to the project a little since Dox and others (including you OJ) put so much work into it.

[TheProfosist]

Honestly after Dox's weighing in has there been any discussion in consolidating this buy with the official buy? Is there going to be an official buy?

Cheers,

To my knowledge DOX was going to do this the same way that he did the DOX which is everyone orders their own stuff of if a group a people want the same thing (because the DOX was so easily changeable) they could order together which is what me and 2 others are doing with our latest rendition of the DOX. Truthfully I dont think anything has to be official, once DOX it done making the case start up a groubuy.

OK well in the original GH thread that wasn't my understanding. But maybe I'm wrong; I'll have to go back and check it out.

Cheers,

check out DT also because since the R00TW0RM DOX has been more active on this project over there and ive only taken a glance or 2 when I have time.

[sordna]

The main ErgoDox thread on Deskthority is this one:

http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/split-ergonomic-keyboard-project-t1753.html

not sure if you were looking for a parts-GB-specific thread on DT, I'm not aware of one...

I'm extremely happy to stumble on this thread, and that Dox has weighed in. Like indescribably excited.
Also has there been a thread mirroring this one made on deskthority? Or at least some way to direct all those people here? Seems like a good way to increase volume.

[JustCallMeCrash]

I'd be interested in the electronics minus switches.  I don't need a case or keycaps.

Edit:  For 2 full boards.

[jwaz]

Crash what are you doing for caps?

[JustCallMeCrash]

I haven't decided yet, but they'll definitely be blanks.

[jwaz]

I would like to do blank PBTs but WASD seems like the easiest way to go for the custom layout we'll need.

[JustCallMeCrash]

It would be handy if we could get WASD to do a single-click set (like the 104-key ANSI set, etc) that we could get customized the same way.

[jwaz]

Single-click? I was betting he could sell us sets to fit.

[JustCallMeCrash]

That's what I mean... a set that you could semi-customize, like with his current keycap sets.  http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/104-key-cherry-mx-keycap-set.html
Like that, where we could pick a color, layout, engraving, etc. without having to do individual caps.

[WhiteRice]

Do we post here if we're looking for all components required to make a full keyboard?

[sherryton]

How's the progress on this?  I want to get mine asap!

Edit:  I am hoping for just the PCB asap!

[TheProfosist]

Im interested and will build for those who dont want to.

[dorkvader]

Im interested and will build for those who dont want to.

Added to list:

List of people offering some sort of soldering/assembly service

Code: [Select]

Dork Vader (USA)
Geekabit (EU)
Dirge (UK)
The Profosist (USA)

[TheProfosist]

Thanks for that!

[hashbaz]

I'm in for a kit, assuming I can get in on the PCB/case GB as well.

[jwaz]

Considering using massdrop to help with logistics of doing this worldwide, will post some updates soon.

[wiredPANDA]

Put me down on the interest list, too.  And I'll have to get with Dorkvader or Profosist for their building services.  =D

[WhiteRice]

Considering using massdrop to help with logistics of doing this worldwide, will post some updates soon.

We're talking serious money here, unless you want to incorporate and become an entity with limited liability going through a third party will ensure all parties are covered.

Not that I don't trust you, it's for our protection as well as yours.

[NumberJ]

Definitely interested, but price might be a concern.

[jwaz]

Considering using massdrop to help with logistics of doing this worldwide, will post some updates soon.

We're talking serious money here, unless you want to incorporate and become an entity with limited liability going through a third party will ensure all parties are covered.

Not that I don't trust you, it's for our protection as well as yours.

So you agree that going through them for kits would work best for everyone?

[WhiteRice]

Yes

[TheProfosist]

I think so as well

[jwaz]

I would like see how Dox and others on DT feel but it really seems to be the best way to handle a kit.

[hashbaz]

Group buys with lots of tedious sorting seem like especially good candidates for Massdrop.  I know of two gotchas that might be issues though.  Everyone who participates in the buy will need an account at massdrop.com.  And you have to pay at the time you order, at either the first price tier or the tier the buy is currently at (not sure which).  You get refunded the difference later on if the buy reaches a higher tier.

[localredhead]

Im interested!  count me in.

[localredhead]

Add me as an interested party.  I can also aid in assembly (former electrical technician)

[vivalarevolución]

Filled in the form in the OP, but just wanted to register my interest here as well. 

Question: will this group buy include the diodes?

Also, I know it has been mentioned, but a group buy for blank keycaps would be wonderful.

[theultrazord]

100% in if it happens before the new year.  After that I'm not so sure but I will try my best to stay committed!

[sordna]

Should this thread  probably be closed? Since there is this:
http://www.massdrop.com/dox-ergo.php

[jwaz]

Sure, the IC was accomplished I think. Why bump it?