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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #250 on: Tue, 08 January 2019, 17:05:47 »
Could you sweet talk GMK to make a MOQ of 50 for a international kit :p ( please, please )

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #251 on: Tue, 08 January 2019, 19:14:58 »
If the base set would contains basic accents (ESC/ENTER vertical and Enter Horizontal) i would probably join.

In the style of the GMK Terminal
I'd like to echo this sentiment. If the base set contains just the orange enter and esc, similar to terminal, I would be extremely happy.

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #252 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 16:12:37 »
Yes, I know I’m late to this party:
  • Another vote for having Esc & Enter (ANSI and ISO) as only color mods in base set (similar to GMK Terminal)
  • Sorry people, voting against R5
  • Requesting a R4 1.25u “Caps Lock” key (for those switching Caps with Ctrl and for 65% hybrid HHKB layouts)
But otherwise: 🤤

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #253 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 16:49:47 »
Yes, I know I’m late to this party:
  • Another vote for having Esc & Enter (ANSI and ISO) as only color mods in base set (similar to GMK Terminal)
  • Sorry people, voting against R5
  • Requesting a R4 1.25u “Caps Lock” key (for those switching Caps with Ctrl and for 65% hybrid HHKB layouts)
But otherwise: 🤤

These are all great ideas that will probably make it. (With the exception of the R4 1u caps lock.)

Should have new mock ups this week. Janglad is busy working on them and LSB is looking them
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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #254 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 03:48:19 »
Yes, I know I’m late to this party:
  • Another vote for having Esc & Enter (ANSI and ISO) as only color mods in base set (similar to GMK Terminal)
  • Sorry people, voting against R5
  • Requesting a R4 1.25u “Caps Lock” key (for those switching Caps with Ctrl and for 65% hybrid HHKB layouts)
But otherwise: 🤤

Solid recommendations, though most folks I know would rather put Caps in a layer where Control replaced it. Rather than keep a dedicated Caps Lock key.
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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #255 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 07:52:18 »
Any possibility of adding remaing orange mod keys [ Insert, Home, Pg Up, Del, End Pg Down] to the set? Might as well make it complete.  I already have orange alphas coming from Carbon, this will complete the KB L'Orange look I have been pining for ages.

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #256 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 08:03:11 »
Any possibility of adding remaing orange mod keys [ Insert, Home, Pg Up, Del, End Pg Down] to the set? Might as well make it complete.  I already have orange alphas coming from Carbon, this will complete the KB L'Orange look I have been pining for ages.

Carbon orange and SkIIdata orange aren’t the same.

And I considered it but it’s so big already, and you’re the only one who has asked.

Anyone else want this? Speak up now!

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #257 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 09:48:37 »
I had already asked you do add a few keys, but I'd still like to see one more.

Please add the R1 Home key to the orange mod kit. It's the only cap missing for full coverage of a 75% board layout, based on your mockups in the initial thread.

75% Right Column

R1 Delete <- Included in Orange Kit
R1 Home <- Missing From Orange Kit
R2 PGUp <- Included in Orange Kit
R3 PGDn <- Included in Orange Kit
R4 End <- Included in Orange Kit
R4 Right Arrow <- Included in Orange Kit
« Last Edit: Mon, 21 January 2019, 09:50:19 by P1kas »
There is no such thing as "too much orange."

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #258 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 09:51:54 »
Any possibility of adding remaing orange mod keys [ Insert, Home, Pg Up, Del, End Pg Down] to the set? Might as well make it complete.  I already have orange alphas coming from Carbon, this will complete the KB L'Orange look I have been pining for ages.

Carbon orange and SkIIdata orange aren’t the same.

And I considered it but it’s so big already, and you’re the only one who has asked.

Anyone else want this? Speak up now!

Thanks, I know the colours are not same, but its the best one can get.

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #259 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:24:39 »
I had already asked you do add a few keys, but I'd still like to see one more.

Please add the R1 Home key to the orange mod kit. It's the only cap missing for full coverage of a 75% board layout, based on your mockups in the initial thread.

75% Right Column

R1 Delete <- Included in Orange Kit
R1 Home <- Missing From Orange Kit
R2 PGUp <- Included in Orange Kit
R3 PGDn <- Included in Orange Kit
R4 End <- Included in Orange Kit
R4 Right Arrow <- Included in Orange Kit

R1 Home - I can add that. Not a bad idea, and a very modest request. Im going to make sure we have all we need for 1800 support as well. Thanks for the feedback. New mockups should be ready by the end of the week!

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #260 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:38:02 »
Quick, is this going on MD..?

Still no plan for a Intl kit?  :confused:

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #261 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:40:31 »
Quick, is this going on MD..?

Still no plan for a Intl kit?  ???

TheKeyCompany runs group buys themselves, so I don't think it'll go on MD.
« Last Edit: Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:41:51 by P1kas »
There is no such thing as "too much orange."

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #262 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:04:22 »
Quick, is this going on MD..?

Still no plan for a Intl kit?  :confused:
Doesnt usually make MOQ anyway
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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #263 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 20:53:23 »
Quick, is this going on MD..?

Still no plan for a Intl kit?  :confused:
Doesnt usually make MOQ anyway

I actually may have a trick up my sleeve this time. Stay tuned.

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #264 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 04:45:45 »
Quick, is this going on MD..?

Still no plan for a Intl kit?  ???

TheKeyCompany runs group buys themselves, so I don't think it'll go on MD.

Cool, yeah.  It was just with the latest TKC MD drops, maybe it was a build up..  :cool:

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #265 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 04:48:25 »
Quick, is this going on MD..?

Still no plan for a Intl kit?  :confused:
Doesnt usually make MOQ anyway

I actually may have a trick up my sleeve this time. Stay tuned.

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #266 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 05:44:47 »
Call it "SKIDATA snow/winter or ice" edition and add some themed keycaps or alphas (maybe white/beige alphas with an orange font).

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #267 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 07:16:30 »
Call it "SKIDATA snow/winter or ice" edition and add some themed keycaps or alphas (maybe white/beige alphas with an orange font).

If you like that idea, then you can try to find a GMK Monkey set to combine with this. The orange is the same between both sets
There is no such thing as "too much orange."

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #268 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 10:16:01 »
Call it "SKIDATA snow/winter or ice" edition and add some themed keycaps or alphas (maybe white/beige alphas with an orange font).

If you like that idea, then you can try to find a GMK Monkey set to combine with this. The orange is the same between both sets

Interesting, thanks

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #269 on: Tue, 22 January 2019, 14:21:26 »
Any possibility of adding remaing orange mod keys [ Insert, Home, Pg Up, Del, End Pg Down] to the set? Might as well make it complete.  I already have orange alphas coming from Carbon, this will complete the KB L'Orange look I have been pining for ages.

Carbon orange and SkIIdata orange aren’t the same.

And I considered it but it’s so big already, and you’re the only one who has asked.

Anyone else want this? Speak up now!

For the love of all that's holy, yes please! I even put this on my Interest Check form. My dream is to have all orange modifiers and black alphanumeric with alternating F keys. Basically this.
« Last Edit: Wed, 23 January 2019, 15:10:59 by Sparkrdom »

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #270 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 06:57:38 »
Any possibility of adding remaing orange mod keys [ Insert, Home, Pg Up, Del, End Pg Down] to the set? Might as well make it complete.  I already have orange alphas coming from Carbon, this will complete the KB L'Orange look I have been pining for ages.

Carbon orange and SkIIdata orange aren’t the same.

And I considered it but it’s so big already, and you’re the only one who has asked.

Anyone else want this? Speak up now!

For the love of all that's holy, yes please! I even put this on my Interest Check form. My dream is to have all orange modifiers and black alphanumeric with alternating F keys. Basically this, but with orange tenkey modifiers (Not just the enter) and orange HOME, DEL, END, etc.
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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #271 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:31:50 »
New Kits. Not rendered yet. Im going to wait for some feedback.

GMK said they cant make the orange relegendable tops, so we only get clear. Also removed the blue spacebars completely. I dont feel they look right on the kit, they are available for purchase other places, and keeping them out keeps the kits prices down. Lets hear what y'all have to say! Hope you dig.

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #272 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:33:28 »
Wait, does this mean we will not get blue spacebars anymore?

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #273 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:34:48 »
Wait, does this mean we will not get blue spacebars anymore?

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #274 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:46:40 »
I'm ok with how this looks :)

Are the icons on the renders the ones that will be on the final kits? I'm guessing you'll be using the same ones as your Terminal GB, and not those

What would be the easiest way to obtain some blue spacebars in that color code?

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Interesting that you changed the WIN keys to Super keys. I'm not against it  :thumb:
« Last Edit: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:48:20 by P1kas »
There is no such thing as "too much orange."

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #275 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:48:24 »
I'm ok with how this looks :)

Are the icons on the renders the ones that will be on the final kits? I'm guessing you'll be using the same ones as your Terminal GB, and not those

What would be the easiest way to obtain some blue spacebars in that color code?

No, ignore the stupid icons. They will match the original.

Blue spacebars... standard sizes Im pretty sure can be had at Oco. I feel they look out of place; if enough people want them (100!) Ill make a separate kit but I doubt it will hit. And I dont want to make everyone pay for them in the spacebar kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #276 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:52:29 »
No need to add them if they're available at Oco IMO.

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #277 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:53:46 »
No need to add them if they're available at Oco IMO.

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They are available. N5
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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #278 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 11:57:23 »
No need to add them if they're available at Oco IMO.

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They are available. TU2
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/products/skidataorangemod.png?v=1444355575

The blue color code in the original GB was N5, not TU2.

It is available though, so I vote to keep it out of the GB to lower costs
« Last Edit: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:01:02 by P1kas »
There is no such thing as "too much orange."

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #279 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:07:45 »
No need to add them if they're available at Oco IMO.

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They are available. TU2
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/products/skidataorangemod.png?v=1444355575

The blue color code in the original GB was N5, not TU2.

It is available though, so I vote to keep it out of the GB to lower costs

My bad, time for an espresso. Yes, they do have them. I think its better this way and I appreciate you understanding. I did add your R1 Home key in orange!

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #280 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:10:26 »
New Kits. Not rendered yet. Im going to wait for some feedback.

GMK said they cant make the orange relegendable tops, so we only get clear. Also removed the blue spacebars completely. I dont feel they look right on the kit, they are available for purchase other places, and keeping them out keeps the kits prices down. Lets hear what y'all have to say! Hope you dig.


Not sure if this is typo, shouldnt  Insert, Home Page Up be in R1 and Delete, End, Pg Dn in R2.

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #281 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:12:54 »
You should specify which image you're referring to
There is no such thing as "too much orange."

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #282 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:13:14 »
Also I understand orange mods may not everyone's cup of tea, is there a possibility to have them available to low MOQ but slightly higher prices? Those who love orange will bear the cost as we understand  its pull, and will be able to sleep w/o fearning that it may not make MOQ. If the kit sells well, then lower price at higher MOQ will please the buyers anyway.

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #283 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:20:15 »
Also I understand orange mods may not everyone's cup of tea, is there a possibility to have them available to low MOQ but slightly higher prices? Those who love orange will bear the cost as we understand  its pull, and will be able to sleep w/o fearning that it may not make MOQ. If the kit sells well, then lower price at higher MOQ will please the buyers anyway.


Are you talking about this cluster? You're not being very specific. Orange mods are indeed available as an option.


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[IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #284 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:26:43 »
Hey man, what about a couple Fn keys in 1.25u (R4)? Would that be doable? I, for one, like to keep two Function keys (one to the left, one to the right) on my 60% builds (standard ANSI).

BTW, is adding orange Escape and Enter keys to the Base set still a possibility?


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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #285 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:47:04 »
Hey man, what about a couple Fn keys in 1.25u (R4)? Would that be doable? I, for one, like to keep two Function keys (one to the left, one to the right) on my 60% builds (standard ANSI).

Maybe use the SUPER keys as FN?
 

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« Last Edit: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:48:46 by P1kas »
There is no such thing as "too much orange."

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« Reply #286 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:48:13 »
part of me wants to say, "do og style legends," but this is a nice set overall
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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #287 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:49:59 »
What do you mean by og style legends? The set seems pretty faithful to the original Skidata board

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #288 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:50:06 »
Hey man, what about a couple Fn keys in 1.25u (R4)? Would that be doable? I, for one, like to keep two Function keys (one to the left, one to the right) on my 60% builds (standard ANSI).

Maybe use the SUPER keys as FN?
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_key_(keyboard_button)

Hmm... I already use the Super keys in place of Command (macOS user here). :/


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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #289 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:52:38 »



Hmm... I already use the Super keys in place of Command (macOS user here). :/



Hmm. I've always set my Control keys to CMD while in OSX due to how similarly they work accross the operating systems

I'm guessing you also have a control somewhere on there? Care to share your layout?

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« Reply #290 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:53:41 »
Nice.

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« Reply #291 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:53:55 »
Nice.
Puddsy v2?

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« Reply #292 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:56:47 »



Hmm... I already use the Super keys in place of Command (macOS user here). :/



Hmm. I've always set my Control keys to CMD while in OSX due to how similarly they work accross the operating systems

I'm guessing you also have a control somewhere on there? Care to share your layout?

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« Reply #293 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:58:35 »
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Offline Sparkrdom

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #294 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:32:16 »
New Kits. Not rendered yet. Im going to wait for some feedback.

GMK said they cant make the orange relegendable tops, so we only get clear. Also removed the blue spacebars completely. I dont feel they look right on the kit, they are available for purchase other places, and keeping them out keeps the kits prices down. Lets hear what y'all have to say! Hope you dig.


Still hoping against hope to get the full orange modifiers! (Looks like Insert is the only missing key?)

Offline TheKeyCompany

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (Goal February 2019 Launch)
« Reply #295 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:04:41 »
New Kits. Not rendered yet. Im going to wait for some feedback.

GMK said they cant make the orange relegendable tops, so we only get clear. Also removed the blue spacebars completely. I dont feel they look right on the kit, they are available for purchase other places, and keeping them out keeps the kits prices down. Lets hear what y'all have to say! Hope you dig.


Still hoping against hope to get the full orange modifiers! (Looks like Insert is the only missing key?)

If youre hoping to get the entire navigation cluster in orange thats 5 additional keys we would need. Personally, I dont think it looks right when the nav cluster is all the alt color, Im open to suggestions. But I cant add 5 keys for one or two voices.

Anyone want to chime in?

Offline Sparkrdom

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #296 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 15:09:33 »
New Kits. Not rendered yet. Im going to wait for some feedback.

GMK said they cant make the orange relegendable tops, so we only get clear. Also removed the blue spacebars completely. I dont feel they look right on the kit, they are available for purchase other places, and keeping them out keeps the kits prices down. Lets hear what y'all have to say! Hope you dig.


Still hoping against hope to get the full orange modifiers! (Looks like Insert is the only missing key?)

If youre hoping to get the entire navigation cluster in orange thats 5 additional keys we would need. Personally, I dont think it looks right when the nav cluster is all the alt color, Im open to suggestions. But I cant add 5 keys for one or two voices.

Anyone want to chime in?

So this set was never meant for a full sized kb. Got it. Alright, count me out. I'd rather make a set on Maxkeys than settle for a mismatched, incomplete set. Odd to support niche keyboard sizes, but, you know, not the most common. I really do appreciate you doing this GB, but sad to see it fall flat on its face for my dream. So it goes.

For visual reference, this is what I want (I know the colors are off), and have been pining for since mid-2016. Orange is my favorite color, so the orange nav cluster (Thanks, I didn't know what to call this before!) looks super slick to me. Would look fantastic on my IKBC MF108. Ah well, off to maxkeys! Hope everyone else enjoys this set! It does look fantastic. I just refuse to settle for anything but exactly what I want. :)

« Last Edit: Wed, 23 January 2019, 15:47:08 by Sparkrdom »

Offline P1kas

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #297 on: Wed, 23 January 2019, 18:28:48 »
Would anyone else use the nav cluster in orange?

It seems TKC are willing to add those in if enough people would use those in their builds. So far there's only been two people asking for it
There is no such thing as "too much orange."

Offline Anakey

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #298 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 03:37:07 »
I did reply in the interest check form but will post here also, seems R3 1u Enter key missing fom the 40s kit unless it included elsewhare

Offline Elefantine

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Re: [IC] GMK SkIIdata (February 2019 NEW MOCKUPS)
« Reply #299 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 04:03:23 »
I think we're missing an R4 1.25u Fn key as well.