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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #450 on: Sun, 04 February 2018, 14:32:03 »
Nobody has filed a paypal claim, so nobody will receive anything.

Oh shush. George will sort this out as best as possible.

Plus, didn't a bunch of these go out already?

Like... half before the distro got back to him?
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #451 on: Sun, 04 February 2018, 18:14:03 »
Nobody has filed a paypal claim, so nobody will receive anything.

Hasn’t almost everyone already their switches? There are about 10 people on my end who asked to wait until we hear from Cherry, other than that everyone was already sent their switches.

Why would a paypal claim even need to happen?

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #452 on: Mon, 05 February 2018, 01:06:58 »
Nobody has filed a paypal claim, so nobody will receive anything.

Hasn’t almost everyone already their switches? There are about 10 people on my end who asked to wait until we hear from Cherry, other than that everyone was already sent their switches.

Why would a paypal claim even need to happen?

Yup, currently waiting for some lube so I can swap springs on the switches I received.

Right now just patiently waiting for the suppliers' message regarding on how this false spring installation happened and what will be done. GB itself was a great success IMO, just that Cherry messed up the switches on their end and it took a while to notice the mistake.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #453 on: Mon, 05 February 2018, 13:03:04 »
Nobody has filed a paypal claim, so nobody will receive anything.

Hasn’t almost everyone already their switches? There are about 10 people on my end who asked to wait until we hear from Cherry, other than that everyone was already sent their switches.

Why would a paypal claim even need to happen?

Yup, currently waiting for some lube so I can swap springs on the switches I received.

Right now just patiently waiting for the suppliers' message regarding on how this false spring installation happened and what will be done. GB itself was a great success IMO, just that Cherry messed up the switches on their end and it took a while to notice the mistake.

Definitely, really well run GB.

I was looking forward to stock MX Silent Blacks, so I'm one of the few who asked for my shipment to be held in the meantime, so just curious about the current status.
Maybe they're waiting for gasmasks and latex to get sexy again.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #454 on: Mon, 12 February 2018, 14:04:41 »
I decided to buy five hundred and fifty 62g springs on Aliexpress for € 20,00. I wonder if Cherry will ever admit the mistake and give us a partial refund.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #455 on: Mon, 12 February 2018, 14:09:30 »
I decided to buy five hundred and fifty 62g springs on Aliexpress for € 20,00. I wonder if Cherry will ever admit the mistake and give us a partial refund.

Not that many but me too (with the difference that i paid the same for less springs).  The current spring on the switch is really unusable. 

Not sure if anyone ended up using the stock springs but i would remind to not use it. 




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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #456 on: Mon, 12 February 2018, 15:21:01 »
Not that many but me too (with the difference that i paid the same for less springs).  The current spring on the switch is really unusable. 

Not sure if anyone ended up using the stock springs but i would remind to not use it.

In my experience the stock springs are fine after lubing. Not noisy at all and I actually quite like the weighting.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #457 on: Sat, 17 February 2018, 17:29:38 »
Lubes received, let the swapping begin. 100g feels oddly light when inside a single loose switch. Will have to see how it feels with 104ish of them on a board. :D

Any news from the suppliers VicareyG?

EDIT: I presume lubing the stem dampeners will help with the switch being super sticky. Right now when I let the switches rest for a while the switch cracks loose from the top housing because the dampener sticks to it.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #458 on: Sun, 18 February 2018, 16:34:19 »
I presume lubing the stem dampeners will help with the switch being super sticky.
I strongly suspected this. I guess I'll keep the lube away from the silent switches.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #459 on: Sun, 18 February 2018, 16:42:47 »
The sticky thing is something that will happens initially, lubed or not.  It should stop to be sticky after a while (not much) 




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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #460 on: Sun, 18 February 2018, 18:16:48 »
I presume lubing the stem dampeners will help with the switch being super sticky.
I strongly suspected this. I guess I'll keep the lube away from the silent switches.

No no I meant it helps in not being sticky. Sorry for the confusion. I swapped springs into mine today and lubed them and they don't stick as much from what I have been able to test. :)
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #461 on: Mon, 19 February 2018, 03:08:16 »
I wonder if ultrasonical cleaning of the stems can help to remove the "sticking agent" whatever it is.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #462 on: Mon, 19 February 2018, 04:12:20 »
I wonder if ultrasonical cleaning of the stems can help to remove the "sticking agent" whatever it is.

Have no idea because i didn't tried, but imho not worth trying at all, once lubed and after 2 days of typing, is not sticky anymore (And really is not like a glue lol, it's just a slight initial resistence )




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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #463 on: Tue, 20 February 2018, 15:29:35 »
I'm interested at buying 100+ if anyone is selling. Thanks!

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #464 on: Tue, 20 February 2018, 16:49:42 »
I'm interested at buying 100+ if anyone is selling. Thanks!

novelkeys.xyz still has some extras for sale.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #465 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 13:24:04 »
Hi everyone!

Sorry for the long silence. I received news from my supplier today.

Below is a link to a testing report from Cherry.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-5qTDjfSvq3vW2gFCH6C3P6Z3woIvOUH/view?usp=sharing

Apparently the spring weights are within acceptable limits.

Doesn't seem too good. I am not sure how to proceed form here. Any advice is helpful.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #466 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 13:42:58 »
End of story then. Cherry claims that the switches are fine, customers think otherwise.
Personally I believe you handled the GB flawlessly and I would surely join the future ones if the goods are in my area of interest.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #467 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 13:58:31 »
Aside from requesting detailed force graphs of the actual testing and perhaps filing a legal dispute, there is not much else we can do. I have a hard time believing that Cherry cannot verify the deviance on actuation force of this batch of switches given that all of us amateurs can feel the difference between switches from this particular GB vs. switches obtained via other sources. I feel like the impetus is on Cherry to provide actual evidence of this testing in some objective manner (i.e. hard data, graphs, along with a write-up of testing procedure along with up-to-date measuring equipment calibration certificates) as well as comparing this data to actual Cherry datasheets for these switches.

If the legal route is feasible, I still have all my switches from this GB as well as a handful of leftover Silent Black from Doyu studio's previous GB if you need representative samples. Not sure if it would help, but I don't really see Cherry's response as satisfactory, and perhaps some legal abitration is in order (not suggesting that this is the course of action to take, it's entirely up to George how to proceed). After all, we bought these switches based on expectations that are founded on Cherry spec sheets, if the products delivered differ, there's grounds for us to claim that products received are not to expectations (i.e. defective)

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #468 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 14:37:23 »
Cherry lists the Silent Black as +-20g, so I don't think there's anything we can legally do aside from meme.



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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #469 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 14:40:33 »
Hi everyone!

Sorry for the long silence. I received news from my supplier today.

Below is a link to a testing report from Cherry.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-5qTDjfSvq3vW2gFCH6C3P6Z3woIvOUH/view?usp=sharing

Apparently the spring weights are within acceptable limits.

Doesn't seem too good. I am not sure how to proceed form here. Any advice is helpful.

What is wrote in a tl;dr? just that the  spring weights are within acceptable limits lol (cuz of the -/+20 which is a joke?) 




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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #470 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 14:41:53 »
With this tolerance, we're kind of lucky that all the springs weigh the same.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #471 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 14:43:44 »
I find it a bit strange that Cherry is actually arguing a keyboard entusiast community. I mean they should care for keeping us satified with their products.

As stated, GB went flawless and I would not hesitate to buy from VicareyG again. Thank you!

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #472 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 14:53:15 »
I'm willing to bet that their internal tolerances are actually tighter than +/- 20g. My guess is that it is just their "public" tolerances so that they can't get sued. That way they have a cushion for a situation like this.

That said, I think that's an incredibly sh*tty way to go about this.

Like others have said, no complaints about the way VicareyG has handled this. Other than Cherry's mistake this was a perfectly smooth GB.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #473 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 15:03:14 »
Every manufacturer has these tolerances and you can normally find them on every retail board too, eg outemu boards, razer boards etc. That's nothing new and normal.

I find it a bit strange that Cherry is actually arguing a keyboard entusiast community. I mean they should care for keeping us satified with their products.

As stated, GB went flawless and I would not hesitate to buy from VicareyG again. Thank you!

Cherry is arguing with arrow.com and not the entusiast community.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #474 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 15:14:25 »
Knew we'd be ****ed when I saw the tolerances were enough to be the wrong spring. Sounds like Cherry made an expensive mistake in the past and made the tolerances so large on purpose. Oh well.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #475 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 15:24:58 »
Hi everyone!

Sorry for the long silence. I received news from my supplier today.

Below is a link to a testing report from Cherry.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-5qTDjfSvq3vW2gFCH6C3P6Z3woIvOUH/view?usp=sharing

Apparently the spring weights are within acceptable limits.

Doesn't seem too good. I am not sure how to proceed form here. Any advice is helpful.


TL;DR  (on top since is a long read) 
Cherry should provide the tests they did and the results MUST include the curve graphs measured on different switches of the batch, since the graph is actually part of the specs.  No actual proofs provided by cherry, except a pre-compiled paper.


Oh they want to play with specs, alright! (their response is a joke btw, it's a range of 40g of tolerance)
So their point is that they are in the -/+ 20cn for actuation so this switch respects the specs. Imho they are wrong.   

So assuming these are their SPECS of Silent Black: http://cherryamericas.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/EN_CHERRY_MX_SILENT_BLACK.pdf

1) THE GRAPH OF THE CURVE, this is INSIDE the specifications file under the Operation characteristics attribute, it clearly shows around 80/90cn at bottomout so since this graph is in this file, the switch curve clearly has to respect that graph curve.
So even if they wrote -/+20cn for actuation, they didn't specified the rest of the curve, because the actuation is just a point, or said better a short segment on the line/curve, based on their specification the actuation has a range of travel of 1.2mm.
So they didn't specified any -/+20cn for the rest of the curve, so their switch can do -/+20 for the actuation range, but must respect the curve on the rest of the travel because is not specified otherwise (pre-actuation travel/after-actuation travel), so OUT OF SPECS.
I know this is illogical because this is a linear switch, but their specifications are not considering this case, since they want to play with the specification document, based on their specifications the curve is out of specs. 

2) Now let's assume point 1 is not valid for any reason (which i doubt) let's still talk about THE GRAPH OF THE CURVE, see this image:



Since this is a linear switch and since this is the graph on their spec-file, i can assume that by translating the curve of the graph by -20cn or by using the silent red graph, the switch keypress curve should be over that curve, but is not:

case 2A) MOVE THE CURVE OF -20cn: We just translate the curve at a -20cn  from the graph curve on the spec file. If we assume an Actuation of 40cn, the bottomout should be 70cn, which is around 71.4g ( in fact their curve shows around 92grams at bottomout).   
Many of us calculated the bottomout in poor ways yes, but our result was definetely lower than 71.4g for bottomout and i'm pretty sure that there is someone that can accurately calculate the bottomout of that switch (maybe Haata?).  Pretty sure the curve of our switch will be out of specs once you measure it correctly, even after taking into account the -20cn. 

case 2B) SILENT RED CURVE: Since you usually can't just translate the curve, let's take into account the silent red curve. I toke the silent red graph (which is probably the spring we have inside our blacks).  That switch bottomout is marked at around 65grams (63/64cn), so this is around 6/7 grams lower than the minimum that cherry can do on the silent black if they want respect their specs. 

So VicaryG you should ask for the result of the tests which MUST include the graph absolutely, the test they did must include the CURVE of our silent black switch, since again the curve is inside the specification graph.

Please correct me if you see something wrong, not your fault on this VicaryG, nothing you can do to directly to fix this clown fiesta between Arrow and Cherry, but at least try. 

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #476 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 15:46:23 »
End of story then. Cherry claims that the switches are fine, customers think otherwise.
Personally I believe you handled the GB flawlessly and I would surely join the future ones if the goods are in my area of interest.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #477 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 17:26:23 »
+- 20cN is clearly just ass covering.

I mean just look at the springs, they even look more like MX Red ones. Nothing like the Silent Blacks I picked up from Cherry at a meetup or any Black I have seen in my life. On the other hand this was still a smooth gb and I don't care for heavy springs anyway.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #478 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 17:31:48 »
+- 20cN is clearly just ass covering.

I mean just look at the springs, they even look more like MX Red ones. Nothing like the Silent Blacks I picked up from Cherry at a meetup or any Black I have seen in my life. On the other hand this was still a smooth gb and I don't care for heavy springs anyway.

nah, most springs of this size have a tolerance of +-15-20g

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #479 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 19:03:36 »
Well, this sucks. Apart from receiving springs that are on the very fringes of the "specification" the springs and switches we received were quite horrible to begin with in my opinion, awful to use and listen without opening and lubing them ourselves (would rather have an honest clack than scratchy-pingy-rubby sounds). Not sure if that is normal or not, these are the first switches I have bought that sounded so awful out of the box.

Whether you are going to proceed towards a follow-up on their spring tests or not I do thank you for a well run GB, I needed a reason to try and swap springs on some switches in any case. ;D

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #480 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 07:15:12 »
is it just me, or is the tolerance range even higher than most Chinese switch manufacturers? I can't provide a source, but i could have sworn that outemu has a tolerance range of only +/-10g.  :confused:
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #481 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 07:56:13 »
Cherry real world tolerance is so strict that I was able to differentiate between silent, UNIQEY clipped and normal version of their switches.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #482 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 09:56:54 »
We should send some switches to haata, a great guy who does curve - force plots with super accuracy. He's in the USA. If someone lives in the USA and wants to do this, he can set up a paypal money collect link, to send haata some switches. I think that many would be happy to contribute one buck to the cause.

https://deskthority.net/haata-u71/
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #483 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 09:59:37 »
We should send some switches to haata, a great guy who does curve - force plots with super accuracy. He's in the USA. If someone lives in the USA and wants to do this, he can set up a paypal money collect link, to send haata some switches. I think that many would be happy to contribute one buck to the cause.

https://deskthority.net/haata-u71/
http://kiibohd.com/
https://plot.ly/~haata

Contact Haata and ask him if he is up to do it.  Maybe he already has these switches. 

If he doesn't have them and says yes without a half year wait, i'm pretty sure many people will be ok to send him for free, me included if no one from US
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #484 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 10:00:13 »
We should send some switches to haata, a great guy who does curve - force plots with super accuracy. He's in the USA. If someone lives in the USA and wants to do this, he can set up a paypal money collect link, to send haata some switches. I think that many would be happy to contribute one buck to the cause.

https://deskthority.net/haata-u71/
http://kiibohd.com/
https://plot.ly/~haata

Why? We know they're the wrong springs, but they're within spec, so there is nothing to gain apart.

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« Reply #485 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 10:02:54 »
We should send some switches to haata, a great guy who does curve - force plots with super accuracy. He's in the USA. If someone lives in the USA and wants to do this, he can set up a paypal money collect link, to send haata some switches. I think that many would be happy to contribute one buck to the cause.

https://deskthority.net/haata-u71/
http://kiibohd.com/
https://plot.ly/~haata

Why? We know they're the wrong springs, but they're within spec, so there is nothing to gain apart.

Sending Haata is more for science i guess. 
On a side note, I didn't saw any curve graph from Cherry and since both the actuation and the curve graph are in the specification file, cherry has to provide that. If what we measured is correct, the curve is out of spec (even considering the -20cn)   




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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #486 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 10:23:16 »
I'm all for further investigation but don't put too many expectation in them. Cherry won't do anything about it.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #487 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 10:27:56 »
I'm all for further investigation but don't put too many expectation in them. Cherry won't do anything about it.

I agree, i don't have any expectation right now, but what they provided is a paper that doesn't even proofs that they did any test at all. 




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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #488 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 12:30:38 »
is it just me, or is the tolerance range even higher than most Chinese switch manufacturers? I can't provide a source, but i could have sworn that outemu has a tolerance range of only +/-10g.  :confused:

tolerances for all the manufacturers i've been talking to is about the same
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #489 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 12:35:27 »
is it just me, or is the tolerance range even higher than most Chinese switch manufacturers? I can't provide a source, but i could have sworn that outemu has a tolerance range of only +/-10g.  :confused:

tolerances for all the manufacturers i've been talking to is about the same
Mm, okay. Even so.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #490 on: Sat, 10 March 2018, 07:43:14 »
Ha it seems like I'm the only one that's actually excited about these switches. Just got my lube in and I picked up some SPRiT 68g springs to throw into them. I expect them to feel amazing.

While I know some people aren't pumped about the outcome of this GB, I definitley bought these switches to mod.


IMO, all cherry switches kind of suck when they're stock...

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #491 on: Sat, 10 March 2018, 08:50:29 »
Ha it seems like I'm the only one that's actually excited about these switches. Just got my lube in and I picked up some SPRiT 68g springs to throw into them. I expect them to feel amazing.

While I know some people aren't pumped about the outcome of this GB, I definitley bought these switches to mod.


IMO, all cherry switches kind of suck when they're stock...

My experience with MX silent switches in general is that once you've opened the housing once, you should sticker them.

The switchtop loosens up a little bit from being opened, and has a little bit of vertical play once you assembled the whole thing together post-lubing, and actually creates kinda an unpleasant clack on the upstroke. Stickering or using switch film eliminates this.
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #492 on: Sat, 10 March 2018, 09:29:51 »
Ha it seems like I'm the only one that's actually excited about these switches. Just got my lube in and I picked up some SPRiT 68g springs to throw into them. I expect them to feel amazing.

While I know some people aren't pumped about the outcome of this GB, I definitley bought these switches to mod.


IMO, all cherry switches kind of suck when they're stock...

My experience with MX silent switches in general is that once you've opened the housing once, you should sticker them.

The switchtop loosens up a little bit from being opened, and has a little bit of vertical play once you assembled the whole thing together post-lubing, and actually creates kinda an unpleasant clack on the upstroke. Stickering or using switch film eliminates this.


Hm, that's really good to know.

Any recommendations on which one/where to buy?

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #493 on: Sat, 10 March 2018, 09:54:37 »
Ha it seems like I'm the only one that's actually excited about these switches. Just got my lube in and I picked up some SPRiT 68g springs to throw into them. I expect them to feel amazing.

While I know some people aren't pumped about the outcome of this GB, I definitley bought these switches to mod.


IMO, all cherry switches kind of suck when they're stock...

Which lube are you using? I have some super-lube I got from mechanicalkeyboards.com, but I've heard it's too thick and that it breaks down fast. I tried it on a few of these switches, and it does make them feel a bit gommy. I got 100g Sprit springs for mine.
 
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #494 on: Sat, 10 March 2018, 12:29:43 »
Ha it seems like I'm the only one that's actually excited about these switches. Just got my lube in and I picked up some SPRiT 68g springs to throw into them. I expect them to feel amazing.

While I know some people aren't pumped about the outcome of this GB, I definitley bought these switches to mod.


IMO, all cherry switches kind of suck when they're stock...

My experience with MX silent switches in general is that once you've opened the housing once, you should sticker them.

The switchtop loosens up a little bit from being opened, and has a little bit of vertical play once you assembled the whole thing together post-lubing, and actually creates kinda an unpleasant clack on the upstroke. Stickering or using switch film eliminates this.


Hm, that's really good to know.

Any recommendations on which one/where to buy?

Taobao has a bunch of listing for stickers. Otherwise just get some switch films from Kin25
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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #495 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 14:01:22 »
Ha it seems like I'm the only one that's actually excited about these switches. Just got my lube in and I picked up some SPRiT 68g springs to throw into them. I expect them to feel amazing.

While I know some people aren't pumped about the outcome of this GB, I definitley bought these switches to mod.


IMO, all cherry switches kind of suck when they're stock...

Which lube are you using? I have some super-lube I got from mechanicalkeyboards.com, but I've heard it's too thick and that it breaks down fast. I tried it on a few of these switches, and it does make them feel a bit gommy. I got 100g Sprit springs for mine.


Oh we got the geekhack thick lube from zealpc to use. Hopefully it  works out alright. I think we're going to play around how much we use and if its not satisfactory then I'll try a different lube. We're putting the silent blacks in an iso kbd75 that my girlfriend wants to have.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #496 on: Sun, 11 March 2018, 14:32:53 »
Ha it seems like I'm the only one that's actually excited about these switches. Just got my lube in and I picked up some SPRiT 68g springs to throw into them. I expect them to feel amazing.

While I know some people aren't pumped about the outcome of this GB, I definitley bought these switches to mod.


IMO, all cherry switches kind of suck when they're stock...

Which lube are you using? I have some super-lube I got from mechanicalkeyboards.com, but I've heard it's too thick and that it breaks down fast. I tried it on a few of these switches, and it does make them feel a bit gommy. I got 100g Sprit springs for mine.


Oh we got the geekhack thick lube from zealpc to use. Hopefully it  works out alright. I think we're going to play around how much we use and if its not satisfactory then I'll try a different lube. We're putting the silent blacks in an iso kbd75 that my girlfriend wants to have.

IME a light oil works best for linear switches (Krytox VPF1514 is my personal fav for linears), however I have heard of people using thicker products for lubing linear switches. I would say just be sure to go with a very light coating of the Geekhacker's thick mix & it should work out fine.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #497 on: Mon, 12 March 2018, 22:37:52 »
Ha it seems like I'm the only one that's actually excited about these switches. Just got my lube in and I picked up some SPRiT 68g springs to throw into them. I expect them to feel amazing.

While I know some people aren't pumped about the outcome of this GB, I definitley bought these switches to mod.


IMO, all cherry switches kind of suck when they're stock...

Which lube are you using? I have some super-lube I got from mechanicalkeyboards.com, but I've heard it's too thick and that it breaks down fast. I tried it on a few of these switches, and it does make them feel a bit gommy. I got 100g Sprit springs for mine.


Oh we got the geekhack thick lube from zealpc to use. Hopefully it  works out alright. I think we're going to play around how much we use and if its not satisfactory then I'll try a different lube. We're putting the silent blacks in an iso kbd75 that my girlfriend wants to have.

IME a light oil works best for linear switches (Krytox VPF1514 is my personal fav for linears), however I have heard of people using thicker products for lubing linear switches. I would say just be sure to go with a very light coating of the Geekhacker's thick mix & it should work out fine.



Hm, very good to know. I think that we'll end up experimenting soon with it so I'll let you know how it works out. If it's not up to snuff then I'll end up grabbing a thinner lube for sure. Have you had much experience lubing stabs? I got some dialectric grease for mine.

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Re: [GB] Cherry MX Silent Black Switches - Shipping Update
« Reply #498 on: Fri, 23 March 2018, 16:25:16 »
Hello Everyone.

I appreciate everyone's kind words. Since this matter doesn't appear to have any way to be resolved short of legal action that may or may not have a chance in succeeding, I have decided to lock this thread.

If anyone would like to contact me they can do so via email: george@OpticBoards.com

Thank you for participating in this group buy. It has had ups and downs (mostly downs) I look forward to my next one.

Thanks,

George