Author Topic: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout - Prototype/PCB ready! fix plate (Read 30581 times)

idlemao · « **Reply #50 on:** Tue, 08 May 2018, 12:11:43 »

Color options are nice. Im hoping there's more than ten available, or at least enough for the people interested in buying. The design and price point are very attractive.

HotRoderX · « **Reply #51 on:** Wed, 09 May 2018, 00:34:25 »

I am one of the ones that liked the first design far better. I mean the price is reasonable but the design overall now is kinda meh! it looks just to generic. I mean there only so many way's to design a box. I Think the part liked about the original thought was the layers looked like the case was made up of like 4 layer's which looked pretty unique. It might have just been the render.. I am sure the people who complained it looked like a duck to start with didn't plan to buy in either way. I hope it does decently just yea can get the same thing off massdrop pretty much.

Etherealsound · « **Reply #52 on:** Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:47:18 »

Well dam, was going to jump in on this but the new design is just meh. If you're just making ~10 mostly for yourself, you should just go with the design that you like the most regardless of community backlash.

Mcnos · « **Reply #53 on:** Thu, 10 May 2018, 19:21:20 »

Quote from: Etherealsound on Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:47:18

Well dam, was going to jump in on this but the new design is just meh. If you're just making ~10 mostly for yourself, you should just go with the design that you like the most regardless of community backlash.

I do agree with this statement.

nguyenhimself · « **Reply #54 on:** Fri, 11 May 2018, 00:58:18 »

Quote from: Mcnos on Thu, 10 May 2018, 19:21:20

Quote from: Etherealsound on Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:47:18
Well dam, was going to jump in on this but the new design is just meh. If you're just making ~10 mostly for yourself, you should just go with the design that you like the most regardless of community backlash.

I do agree with this statement.

Are we seriously encouraging cloning and copying now? We should be better than that.

I'm sure people will buy the original design. Just as people will buy all the Android phones copying the iPhone X's notch. But does that what we want this scene to become? People copying each other without any attribution or gratitude?

There are more than a few ways to design a box. That is the entire raison d'être of this board.
If OP wants the reputation of a Duck cloner who simply takes one of Duck's CADs and cut it down to fit the 660 layout (which is easier than you'd think. I tried it before.), then sure go ahead.

OP is also more than welcomed to go back to the drawing board and create a more attractive design than the current one. That's what ICs are for, gathering feedbacks and iterating.

HotRoderX · « **Reply #55 on:** Fri, 11 May 2018, 02:31:31 »

Quote from: nguyenhimself on Fri, 11 May 2018, 00:58:18

Quote from: Mcnos on Thu, 10 May 2018, 19:21:20
Quote from: Etherealsound on Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:47:18
Well dam, was going to jump in on this but the new design is just meh. If you're just making ~10 mostly for yourself, you should just go with the design that you like the most regardless of community backlash.

I do agree with this statement.
Are we seriously encouraging cloning and copying now? We should be better than that.

I'm sure people will buy the original design. Just as people will buy all the Android phones copying the iPhone X's notch. But does that what we want this scene to become? People copying each other without any attribution or gratitude?

There are more than a few ways to design a box. That is the entire raison d'être of this board.
If OP wants the reputation of a Duck cloner who simply takes one of Duck's CADs and cut it down to fit the 660 layout (which is easier than you'd think. I tried it before.), then sure go ahead.

OP is also more than welcomed to go back to the drawing board and create a more attractive design than the current one. That's what ICs are for, gathering feedbacks and iterating.

This is stupid lets just be honest! What point isn't something a clone! I mean ever single board out there is a clone of something in all its many parts. Then the fact Duck's never even ran a board in this particular layout/style/size.. is just the icing. I mean damn lets get brutal with it. Duck cloned the LED's off a Code board... from WASD... heck while where at it why don't we go jump The Norbaforce also ((which I am proudly a part of The group buy and excited)) its basically a design clone of a Topre Realforce TKL.. This is one of the things that makes me so frustrated at the community in general and I think pushes new people away among other things. I mean just because something is similar doesn't make it a Clone. A clone would be taking one of Duck's current offerings and making a DIRECT duplicate of it.. That would be messed up but creating another product with inspiration from another is by no means. Why don't we jump puddsy or Zambumon over Yolch and Serika.... there both yellow colorway's being ran at the same time. both in Cherry profile! I mean so obviously by logic one is a clone of the other even if not a direct copy.

Poesjuh · « **Reply #56 on:** Fri, 11 May 2018, 03:20:29 »

One could say the second design looks like the LZ CLS. Some keyboards have a pretty unique layout, let's say the Duck TC-V3 for example. But let's all be honest, about 80% of the IC's here have some resemblance to existing keyboards, there can only be so much innovation.

And even though at first sight I liked the second design more, after looking at it more I kinda like the first one better now

What -could- be an idea, is to simply send Duck a message to ask his opinion?

Tree_ · « **Reply #57 on:** Fri, 11 May 2018, 05:56:17 »

Quote from: nguyenhimself on Fri, 11 May 2018, 00:58:18

Quote from: Mcnos on Thu, 10 May 2018, 19:21:20
Quote from: Etherealsound on Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:47:18
Well dam, was going to jump in on this but the new design is just meh. If you're just making ~10 mostly for yourself, you should just go with the design that you like the most regardless of community backlash.

I do agree with this statement.
Are we seriously encouraging cloning and copying now? We should be better than that.

I'm sure people will buy the original design. Just as people will buy all the Android phones copying the iPhone X's notch. But does that what we want this scene to become? People copying each other without any attribution or gratitude?

There are more than a few ways to design a box. That is the entire raison d'être of this board.
If OP wants the reputation of a Duck cloner who simply takes one of Duck's CADs and cut it down to fit the 660 layout (which is easier than you'd think. I tried it before.), then sure go ahead.

OP is also more than welcomed to go back to the drawing board and create a more attractive design than the current one. That's what ICs are for, gathering feedbacks and iterating.

The new design could be construed to take aesthetic elements from a:

KBD75
XD84
XD24
Mira SE
AMJ96
TGR Jane (With diffuser)
TGR 910
Red Scarf III/ZZ96
LZ CLS

The list of tall cases with mid-sized bezels using an acrylic defuser could go on really - As well as that, some of these cases have an extremely similar bottom case design to the Owl's new design. If anything, the new design is yet again a copy of other designs.

The whole "Only Duck can do that!" shtick makes no sense when the alternative is to go with a design that's even more wide spread. Not to mention that both the TADA68's alu and plastic case are almost the exact same as the Duck design:

But we as a community seem to have embraced this board without ****ting a brick? At what point are we allowed to say "Well X design element hasn't been used by *insert maker here* for awhile, so now it's okay someone else to use it"? Customizing being the niche that it is, it really makes zero sense that any one person should "own" the way a keyboard looks.

I for one would still love to see the original design and would 100% purchase it.

mkarlsson · « **Reply #58 on:** Fri, 11 May 2018, 06:38:44 »

This is not that it takes one design feature from several boards, the thing is that it uses ALL the design features that Duck boards has. For me the first design was a slap in the face to Duck.

audax989 · « **Reply #59 on:** Fri, 11 May 2018, 07:24:26 »

whichever design you decide to move forward with I am down. its been too long till we have a decent 660 layout custom with underglow. not counting the lz-st but that was too limited in the amount of colors.

voight-kampff · « **Reply #60 on:** Fri, 11 May 2018, 08:49:11 »

I really like this keyboard, I would definitely get it, I am in for a GB.

I also like the first version of the design, which some called a duck clone. I don;t think it is. It has similarities to duck but there are similarities between other keyboards too.

QiuFang · « **Reply #61 on:** Mon, 14 May 2018, 07:23:32 »

Update:

Layout Support

audax989 · « **Reply #62 on:** Mon, 14 May 2018, 07:27:04 »

Quote from: QiuFang on Mon, 14 May 2018, 07:23:32

Update:

Layout Support
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is it too difficult to add stepped caps lock?

QiuFang · « **Reply #63 on:** Mon, 14 May 2018, 07:30:40 »

Quote from: audax989 on Mon, 14 May 2018, 07:27:04

Quote from: QiuFang on Mon, 14 May 2018, 07:23:32
Update:

Layout Support
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is it too difficult to add stepped caps lock?

My misstake, will add step Caplock

peggisan · « **Reply #64 on:** Mon, 14 May 2018, 14:02:12 »

Is the PCB going to be type-c?

rfindra · « **Reply #65 on:** Mon, 14 May 2018, 18:08:43 »

No split spacebar?

Randalljai · « **Reply #66 on:** Tue, 15 May 2018, 01:33:33 »

holy balls..

elcubismo · « **Reply #67 on:** Tue, 15 May 2018, 02:11:00 »

I like both designs, but liked the first way more.

Who gives a **** if some users want to nitpick on some hipster shtick about it being derivative of another kit. Just make what you want for yourself and others will surely join in if they like the design.

Even if you got no detractors here someone would have smugly chimed in eventually, be it on the group buy or when buyers post their builds. Everyone gets haters.

Rant over. I think the side-underglow/downglow deal on the new design seems interesting. Whatever you decide, I'm interested in seeing final products of any kind. Good luck OP

Ravahan · « **Reply #68 on:** Tue, 15 May 2018, 14:02:08 »

I agree with the comments saying that it looks like a duck keyboard, but that design looks miles better than the non duck looking one!

QiuFang · « **Reply #69 on:** Wed, 16 May 2018, 08:53:43 »

I emailed Duck's comments on the first design. And he does not agree. So I will never use the first design anymore.

I respect all copyrights, and hope everyone is the same

tunadesu · « **Reply #70 on:** Wed, 16 May 2018, 15:17:29 »

Quote from: QiuFang on Wed, 16 May 2018, 08:53:43

I emailed Duck's comments on the first design. And he does not agree. So I will never use the first design anymore.

Damn. Do you think you will try some different designs, or keep going in the direction of your 2nd one?

QiuFang · « **Reply #71 on:** Sat, 19 May 2018, 11:13:19 »

I ordered the prototype. Let's see how many days there will be prototype on hand

elcubismo · « **Reply #72 on:** Tue, 22 May 2018, 10:38:06 »

Look forward to it. Would love more 660 options out there.

Also, I guess I am confused, can I see a side-by-side of the first and second (current) designs?

Harms · « **Reply #73 on:** Tue, 29 May 2018, 14:09:27 »

Is this still happening?

foxmancore · « **Reply #74 on:** Wed, 30 May 2018, 21:12:59 »

also still interested in this

_ODIN_ · « **Reply #75 on:** Fri, 01 June 2018, 12:08:11 »

a deep navy blue would be awesome.

Will the plate be aluminum or stainless steel?
Would appreciate stainless steel =D

Mcnos · « **Reply #76 on:** Fri, 01 June 2018, 16:25:36 »

Interested in this dropping as well.

Tree_ · « **Reply #77 on:** Wed, 06 June 2018, 00:46:41 »

Any updates on the proto?

Aerizu · « **Reply #78 on:** Wed, 06 June 2018, 05:14:31 »

A split backspace would be nice as well

Mcnos · « **Reply #79 on:** Wed, 06 June 2018, 06:15:30 »

Quote from: Tree_ on Wed, 06 June 2018, 00:46:41

Any updates on the proto?

It seems he ordered a proto around May 19th. I would probably be a bit more patient. I'm really looking forward to getting into this run as there are nothing but crappy 66 designs out.

_ODIN_ · « **Reply #80 on:** Fri, 15 June 2018, 13:30:15 »

very interested are the colours decide yet?

Harms · « **Reply #81 on:** Fri, 15 June 2018, 15:18:33 »

Is this still alive?

)

_ODIN_ · « **Reply #82 on:** Sat, 16 June 2018, 10:10:58 »

QiuFang · « **Reply #83 on:** Sat, 16 June 2018, 11:03:48 »

Prototype CNC finished. In the next 2 days I will update the image. It's pretty cool.

_ODIN_ · « **Reply #84 on:** Sat, 16 June 2018, 11:34:18 »

Quote from: QiuFang on Sat, 16 June 2018, 11:03:48

Prototype CNC finished. In the next 2 days I will update the image. It's pretty cool.

nice

Mcnos · « **Reply #85 on:** Sat, 16 June 2018, 11:36:05 »

Oof, cant wait for pictures

alisonica · « **Reply #86 on:** Sat, 16 June 2018, 11:46:51 »

I actually preferred the Owl Nightsaver design to this owLZ-CLS.
But I am a simple man, I see 660 layout I press "Buy"

Alps support? Or do I have to go cut my own plate again...

Dovan1405 · « **Reply #87 on:** Sat, 16 June 2018, 13:37:38 »

To op, I love both designs and what you are doing trying to avoid trouble with other designers, but in the future, i hope that you will stand strong to what you design cause it was something you believed in. dont let you design get put down because of certain people. I dont see it an a clone but more of an inspiration where you have built it on above something.

Randalljai · « **Reply #88 on:** Sun, 17 June 2018, 02:26:06 »

Quote from: Dovan1405 on Sat, 16 June 2018, 13:37:38

To op, I love both designs and what you are doing trying to avoid trouble with other designers, but in the future, i hope that you will stand strong to what you design cause it was something you believed in. dont let you design get put down because of certain people. I dont see it an a clone but more of an inspiration where you have built it on above something.

exactly! after all...almost everything is a clone of something..with their own unique take.

jlee755 · « **Reply #89 on:** Sun, 17 June 2018, 03:09:55 »

Quote from: Randalljai on Sun, 17 June 2018, 02:26:06

Quote from: Dovan1405 on Sat, 16 June 2018, 13:37:38
To op, I love both designs and what you are doing trying to avoid trouble with other designers, but in the future, i hope that you will stand strong to what you design cause it was something you believed in. dont let you design get put down because of certain people. I dont see it an a clone but more of an inspiration where you have built it on above something.

exactly! after all...almost everything is a clone of something..with their own unique take.

Well, the problem is that he contacted Duck himself and he was against the idea unfortunately...

I'm all for sticking to your designs but I'd also err on the side of caution for fear of causing some sort of bad blood.

Looking forward to the prototype!

QiuFang · « **Reply #90 on:** Wed, 20 June 2018, 01:34:17 »

Prototype is complete! including anodizing

It's so exciting !! I can not wait for deliveries to my house, maybe after finishing my work I will get my package at the post office.

audax989 · « **Reply #91 on:** Wed, 20 June 2018, 02:56:54 »

Quote from: QiuFang on Wed, 20 June 2018, 01:34:17

Prototype is complete! including anodizing

It's so exciting !! I can not wait for deliveries to my house, maybe after finishing my work I will get my package at the post office.

this is great news! really excited for this to start!

hikashi1988 · « **Reply #92 on:** Wed, 20 June 2018, 06:31:37 »

Looks nice. Looking forward to see the prototype.

QiuFang · « **Reply #93 on:** Wed, 20 June 2018, 08:42:56 »

Here we go

It looks really great, far beyond my expectations.
But there are a few bugs I will need to fix.
Today is June 20. So after ~ 30 days. This is what we will get.
Hopefully 660 Owl's PCB will be OK, I can not wait any longer.

_ODIN_ · « **Reply #94 on:** Wed, 20 June 2018, 08:50:23 »

Quote from: QiuFang on Wed, 20 June 2018, 08:42:56

Here we go

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It looks really great, far beyond my expectations.
But there are a few bugs I will need to fix.
Today is June 20. So after ~ 30 days. This is what we will get.
Hopefully 660 Owl's PCB will be OK, I can not wait any longer.

just offer an iso plate and i am in :thumb:

Hokabuki · « **Reply #95 on:** Wed, 20 June 2018, 08:55:23 »

It looks great! Will the final plate/pcb support any other layouts?

audax989 · « **Reply #96 on:** Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:02:05 »

Quote from: QiuFang on Wed, 20 June 2018, 08:42:56

Here we go

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It looks really great, far beyond my expectations.
But there are a few bugs I will need to fix.
Today is June 20. So after ~ 30 days. This is what we will get.
Hopefully 660 Owl's PCB will be OK, I can not wait any longer.

looking good. will you be offering a middle diffuser with this?

QiuFang · « **Reply #97 on:** Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:43:41 »

Ye,The kit will come with a diffuser
Final plate will come with all layout below, and pcb mount.

_ODIN_ · « **Reply #98 on:** Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:46:31 »

Quote from: QiuFang on Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:43:41

Ye,The kit will come with a diffuser
Final plate will come with all layout below, and pcb mount.

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amazing :thumb:

_ODIN_ · « **Reply #99 on:** Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:55:33 »

Quote from: QiuFang on Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:43:41

Ye,The kit will come with a diffuser
Final plate will come with all layout below, and pcb mount.

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have you decided on the colours ?

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Author Topic: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout - Prototype/PCB ready! fix plate (Read 30581 times)