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Offline BucklingSpring

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« on: Sun, 23 August 2009, 21:00:19 »
Sad post I just noticed on Deck's forums. All the forums are now locked.


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Deck Keyboards has decided to discontinue our operation of the online forums. All current posts will be left for reference purposes but no new posts will be accepted.

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Offline huha

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« Reply #1 on: Sun, 23 August 2009, 21:40:20 »
They should all join geekhack.

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Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 23 August 2009, 22:04:21 »
Wonder why they are closing them down. Does anyone know?
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Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline D-EJ915

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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 23 August 2009, 22:38:09 »
Might just be too much effort

Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #4 on: Sun, 23 August 2009, 23:19:52 »
That is what I was thinking as well.
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Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline victheslik

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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 23 August 2009, 23:20:57 »
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Offline Mercen_505

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 24 August 2009, 06:30:52 »
Yep. If you want a NIB Deck, now might be a good time to plunk down the cash.

Offline lowpoly

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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 24 August 2009, 06:48:35 »
Why not give a reason for a step like this?

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Offline Hofy

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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 24 August 2009, 10:04:56 »
It might also be the low traffic volume.
I registered the other day to ask a question and noticed that I was the only one on the boards, besides a Yahoo bot and an MSN bot.
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Offline sixty

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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 24 August 2009, 11:23:59 »
Oh well, I never liked the Deck (key)boards anyway.

All joking aside.. give them a vendor sub forum and lets get new members! Then again if they are too lazy/unmotivated/whatever to run their own forum it probably would not be much better with a third party one?

Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #10 on: Mon, 24 August 2009, 11:45:16 »
Oh I don't know that mini one looks to be nice. I've thought about getting it many times but never really pulled the triger. I just really don't like backlit boards.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline Hofy

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« Reply #11 on: Mon, 24 August 2009, 12:28:49 »
I have been interested in their 82 key but didnt know if I'd like the small style and linear switches.  So, I ordered a Cherry 4100 NIB for $10 from eBay. (Still waiting for it. It has only been 3 days.) That is just to give the layout a try and see if I like it.
I also ordered 2 switches from Digi-Key.  One Cherry blue and one Cherry black linear.  I did this just to get  a feel for what they are like since the only mechanical keyboard I have is my Focus 2001 with white Alps.  
The Digi-Key package came this morning already.   Wow,  I  like both blue and black switches, compared to the marshmallow rubber domes.  I hooked them both up to my multimeter and they register a keystroke at the same level of travel.  Both are very comfortable as neither needs the force that the Alps do to push down.
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Offline BucklingSpring

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« Reply #12 on: Thu, 27 August 2009, 22:30:58 »
I'm pretty pleased with their new Cherry White non-clicky tactile Legend.
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Offline shortround

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 28 August 2009, 02:08:03 »
Quote from: BucklingSpring;112421
I'm pretty pleased with their new Cherry White non-clicky tactile Legend.



I felt my new tactile legend w/cherry whites felt just too similar to my old cherry black one.  There's a noticeable difference, but I was hoping for a bit more difference I guess.

I was on that forum and was disturbed to see it go.  It seemed to happen right after I asked the site admin if I could use that forum to sell my old deck.  He gave me the go-ahead, then the next day the forum closed.  So I apologize to everybody for singe-handedly shutting down the deck forums...  At least in my mind it was my fault.
« Last Edit: Fri, 28 August 2009, 02:11:49 by shortround »

Offline BucklingSpring

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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 28 August 2009, 09:44:13 »
Quote from: shortround;112474
I felt my new tactile legend w/cherry whites felt just too similar to my old cherry black one.  There's a noticeable difference, but I was hoping for a bit more difference I guess.

I was on that forum and was disturbed to see it go.  It seemed to happen right after I asked the site admin if I could use that forum to sell my old deck.  He gave me the go-ahead, then the next day the forum closed.  So I apologize to everybody for singe-handedly shutting down the deck forums...  At least in my mind it was my fault.


"whites felt just too similar to my old cherry black one. There's a noticeable difference, but I was hoping for a bit more difference I guess."

I made the same comment in my review on the Deck forum.  I was AKA Deck4ever out there.

"(...)The difference between the tactile feel and the linear feel is much more subtle than I expected.

(...) I already like the tactile better than the linear but I don’t think such a marginal difference worth that amount of money. Unless you are growing money on trees or really need a second Deck, if you already own a linear, I suggest you pass. Otherwise, I highly recommend this keyboard."
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 28 August 2009, 09:49:11 »
They should have a redirect to here. =P

Offline shortround

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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 28 August 2009, 09:53:56 »
Quote from: ripster;112559
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Aaaaahhhh!  I did it again.  Sorry everyone.

Quote from: BucklingSpring;112574
"whites felt just too similar to my old cherry black one. There's a noticeable difference, but I was hoping for a bit more difference I guess."

I made the same comment in my review on the Deck forum.  I was AKA Deck4ever out there.

"(...)The difference between the tactile feel and the linear feel is much more subtle than I expected.

(...) I already like the tactile better than the linear but I don’t think such a marginal difference worth that amount of money. Unless you are growing money on trees or really need a second Deck, if you already own a linear, I suggest you pass. Otherwise, I highly recommend this keyboard."


Yeah, I remember that review.  I should have taken your advice, but I bought the new one anyway.  It's really nice, but I think I'll keep my older one and return the new.

Offline ch_123

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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 28 August 2009, 09:59:05 »
Mhmm. It would make sense that the subtle tactility of a brown switch combined with the stiffness of a black switch would make... something almost identical to a black switch...

Maybe they aren't quite the wonder switches that some would have you believe they are.

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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 28 August 2009, 10:56:51 »
that's a good thing so everyone from there can join out forum! (;
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Offline BucklingSpring

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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 28 August 2009, 13:09:44 »
Quote from: watduzhkstand4;112607
that's a good thing so everyone from there can join out forum! (;


Ok, I'm going to send an email to DeckGuy Adam to share your offerings for "moving" the Deck forum(s) here.

Where do I send him if he is interested?

I mean, who has the authority here to open a new Geekhack forum?
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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 28 August 2009, 15:06:03 »
Quote from: ripster;112685
Better check to see if DeckGuy got the pink slip first.



Nah, Adam's still there.  Still providing good service too.  Sucks about the forums though, what a mystery.

Offline Hofy

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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 28 August 2009, 15:42:55 »
Nah, shortround.  It was I who killed the Deck forums.  Notice I was the last member to register.
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Offline mike2h

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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 01 September 2009, 23:41:48 »
hopin i can get some help here. im considering buying a deck 'tactile' keyboard. my last 'expensive' kb was a razer(combined with my mouse probs- 3rma's on the death adder- i think razer has some real qc issue) tarantula. the pos barely made it past warranty(really wished i would have known about this forum back then) so right now im using the g15 i handed down to my wife & she is using the old saitek. anyway u get the picture on my experince with kb. or lack of lol.
so i really like the way the way the legend looks, the way it appears to be built & the components used- all info mostly gleaned from here- but i have concerns about the longevity/support of the company. their failure to respond to a cpl of questions i emailed to them last wednesday(i let them know i was interested in buying the kb in the email) basically wanting confirmation concerning the type of switches- supposed to be whites but i read somewhere(prolly here) that they were considering browns, & if they had a preference for the frost kb as far as usb/ps2 went. having not received a reply(combined with the fourms closing), my confidence in them being around long enough to fullfill the length of my warranty & let alone support/parts down the road is shaky.
i know im waffling but this is the most ive spent on a kb by far. & while i dont mind spending $$ on my rigs(both fluid cooled, ocd & modded) when i have it(which is getting harder to come by...), the razer fiasco has left me a little gun shy & more importantly the amount of razzing from my wife if it happens yet again(just had to rma my friggin mb & replace the other pos razer- my mouse) would be intolerable ;)
anyway any guidance appreciated

Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 00:01:12 »
First off welcome to GeekHack!

I don't think very many people here have a Deck board but a few do. But as you mentioned not getting any response from them is a troubling sign. Personally I would take a look at a Filco board unless you really need that back lighting that is.
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Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline Rajagra

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« Reply #24 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 00:01:36 »
If backlit keys are important to you, the Decks are probably your best choice. Rumours of their being in trouble are currently just speculation. Also Deck encourage modding of their boards - that suggests at least some level of user-servicability, which would be a comfort if they were to go under.

If backlighting is not a priority, a Filco from Elite Keyboards might be a better all-round bet.

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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 00:21:04 »
Quote from: mike2h;113862
hopin i can get some help here. im considering buying a deck 'tactile' keyboard. my last 'expensive' kb was a razer(combined with my mouse probs- 3rma's on the death adder- i think razer has some real qc issue) tarantula. the pos barely made it past warranty(really wished i would have known about this forum back then) so right now im using the g15 i handed down to my wife & she is using the old saitek. anyway u get the picture on my experince with kb. or lack of lol.
so i really like the way the way the legend looks, the way it appears to be built & the components used- all info mostly gleaned from here- but i have concerns about the longevity/support of the company. their failure to respond to a cpl of questions i emailed to them last wednesday(i let them know i was interested in buying the kb in the email) basically wanting confirmation concerning the type of switches- supposed to be whites but i read somewhere(prolly here) that they were considering browns, & if they had a preference for the frost kb as far as usb/ps2 went. having not received a reply(combined with the fourms closing), my confidence in them being around long enough to fullfill the length of my warranty & let alone support/parts down the road is shaky.
i know im waffling but this is the most ive spent on a kb by far. & while i dont mind spending $$ on my rigs(both fluid cooled, ocd & modded) when i have it(which is getting harder to come by...), the razer fiasco has left me a little gun shy & more importantly the amount of razzing from my wife if it happens yet again(just had to rma my friggin mb & replace the other pos razer- my mouse) would be intolerable ;)
anyway any guidance appreciated


I have a deck legend (as does buckling spring in this forum), mine's the toxic green with black linear switches.  It's a really great keyboard but I tend to prefer clicky keyboards a little more.  Other than the linear feel of those cherry blacks I have nothing at all bad to say about deck keyboards.  They look and feel solid, there are seven levels of backlighting, and you can pick up different keycap sets or mod some yourself to really personalize it.  I always used the lowest setting for the leds, at the highest it's "lit up like a Dutch brothel."  (50 geek points to whomever can guess what game that quote is from).  

Anyway, I digress, I bought the new Frost white board with the cherry white tactile switches a little while ago and it felt a little too similar to my black switches.  There was a noticeable bump in the keypress, just not enough for me to keep both expensive deck boards though, so I'm sending it back.  I've had only positive experience with deck support so far.

It sounds like you enjoy backlit gaming boards and if so I think you will be really pleased with the deck legend.  They do look pretty slick in the dark too.  I have a picture of one in the keyboards pics thread, of course now I'm going sort of the opposite way by ordering an all black filco stealth board.  

It's a shame the deck forums closed down but it's still a viable place to go for information (all previous posts are still there for knowledge sake).
« Last Edit: Wed, 02 September 2009, 00:26:51 by shortround »

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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 00:36:23 »
Quote from: BucklingSpring;112681
I mean, who has the authority here to open a new Geekhack forum?

If the Deck guys are interested in a vendor support forum on geekhack, have them register here and then PM me.

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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 00:46:05 »
thx for the fast responses guys!
bklighting is pretty important to me as i prefer to have lights of when gaming at nite. tho i would go without it for peace of mind/less trouble down the road.
just to give a little more info, i mostly use my fang pad & steelseries mouse for gaming, the kb is used primarily for typing(prolly 70%). my typing skills r poor at best & im hoping a kb that i actually like & feel comfortable using will get me rollin on the typing prog i purchased a while back. of course that is not my primary reason for spending this type of $$ on kb- i want one that will last, hopefully be trouble free for years(i still have my old ms internet kb i got when they 1st came out- always handy to have a ps2 kb around & it still functions as well as the day i got it) have a nice 'feel' to it, & hopefully look good doing it.
it will be either the filco or the legend, wished there was a way to test the switches as the only knowledge i have of their 'feel' & the way they function is from the excellent resources on this site. of course nothing beats hands on, & that is also one of my primary concerns- picking the rt kind of switch.
never thought picking out a kb would be such a pain till i came here.... lol.
sure glad i did tho.  thx again for your assistance.

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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 02:49:27 »
I wouldn't necessarily consider a forum shutting down as an important indicator of economic survivability. Companies learn over and over again that forums cut both ways and don't always translate into sales and can sometimes increase their support costs for their products instead of decrease it.
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Offline mike2h

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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 10:53:54 »
very true, & is what im hoping. but their lack of response to my email adds some concern to. i probably will go ahead & pull the trigger as i think if the kb is going to have problems it will be fairly soon- manafacturing defects vs wearing out- rather than down the road.

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« Reply #30 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 15:48:00 »
Hmmm, I was just over at the Deck site and noticed another change.  They always used to list the amount of inventory for each model of keyboard.  That is gone now.
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Offline mike2h

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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 16:14:19 »
sounds like some sort of shakeup is going on over there, & while it can mean many things, given the current economy things dont sound to good.
hopefully they r just making some minor site changes  &making some other chnges that will give a positive result as mentioned above.

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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 16:28:43 »
well, i called them to see what was going on, & she said that she had sent a reply to my email, & i believe her so thats good, for clrity my comp is dowm with mb rma, & my wifes outlook setup is confusing to me at best, so i definetly could have missed/deleted it.
she said the forums were taken down because of cost cutting measures, basically the guy doing it is better utilising is time.
inventory is fine so no issues there, so unless she is an very good bs'r & was shining major sunshine up my behind sounds like they r doing ok but r tightening belts like everyone else.
so, going to order it tomorrow. should arrive by the time i get my replacement mb installed & the new h20 setup setup & tested.
thx again for everyones input.

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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 17:15:26 »
Quote from: mike2h;114100
well, i called them to see what was going on, & she said that she had sent a reply to my email, & i believe her so thats good, for clrity my comp is dowm with mb rma, & my wifes outlook setup is confusing to me at best, so i definetly could have missed/deleted it.
she said the forums were taken down because of cost cutting measures, basically the guy doing it is better utilising is time.
inventory is fine so no issues there, so unless she is an very good bs'r & was shining major sunshine up my behind sounds like they r doing ok but r tightening belts like everyone else.
so, going to order it tomorrow. should arrive by the time i get my replacement mb installed & the new h20 setup setup & tested.
thx again for everyones input.


Please, and I am not having a go at you, Type properly.

You are on a largely Keyboard orientated forum, and have a full keyboard in front of you. If you were on a phone, the shortening or "txt speak" would be perfectly acceptable.

Otherwise though, thanks for the information.
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« Reply #34 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 20:31:17 »
as i said above, my typing skills are poor at best. i was told this was an elitist forum(obviously that doesnt apply to all or most), but i did not expect to be called out on my bad typing(&grammer) this soon.
my lack of skill is something i am working on, while help is appreciated, not sure i need typing 'police' monitoring my bad habits. if geting a cpl of reprimands after 5-6 posts is what i have to look forward to then i think i will pass.
you werent rude by any stretch & i thank you for that. i also appreciate the information & help ive received during my short stay here.
fwiw, i am 50 years old, only started using a keyboard about 10 yrs ago.  when in college my various girlfreinds did all my typing for me(in retrospect this was a big mistake). since i started using a kb it has mostly been to play games, some email, & posts on some tech forums. while my poor skills were noticable, never had any reason to get much better until i decided a month or so ago that i should probably stop inflicting myself on others. i also have issue with my rt arm, my elbow as had extensive surgery & my arm has limited movement & is in constant pain, wich is the main reason i tend to use as many shortcuts as possible. im hoping at some point to make up for this deficit with faster, correct typing. obviously it will take a while.

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« Reply #35 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 20:44:01 »
Almost sounds like he needs to take a look at a DataHand. You know stick your hand in it and then only need to move your fingers. And seeing that he does not know how to type that well yet may be a plus in learning how to use it.
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Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
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« Reply #36 on: Wed, 02 September 2009, 21:47:38 »
Quote from: ripster;114217
A $1,000 keyboard?  Now I wonder  why he thought we were elitist??


Even though it may be expensive that does not mean it is not the right board for him due to his injuries. I personally would pay the price if it meant I could type pain free. It is not an elitist attitude to suggest to someone that is in pain that they might want to look at a keyboard that may eliminate the pain. I'm not saying that it would but it just might which IMHO is worthwhile.

I would think an elitist attitude would be more like that someone is happy with what they have and we tell them that it is rubbish and they really should be using something else. Which I don't think we do even when someone comes over and asks for advice for a good rubber dome board.

What I get from  mike2h is that he is getting this board to hopefully help out with his pain. Small board less hand movement. If that does not reduce or eliminate his pain and he wants to type pain free then maybe a DataHand would allow that is all I'm suggesting. Sorry if you thought that was an elitist attitude.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 03 September 2009, 03:07:54 »
Quote from: mike2h;114209
i also have issue with my rt arm, my elbow as had extensive surgery & my arm has limited movement & is in constant pain, wich is the main reason i tend to use as many shortcuts as possible. im hoping at some point to make up for this deficit with faster, correct typing. obviously it will take a while.


Have you looked into speech recognition software? I've had some really good experiences with using speech recognition when my tendinitis acts up. The most current versions of software running the Dragon engine are all pretty accurate. I use MacSpeech, which is basically Dragon Naturally Speaking for the Mac.

I had previously looked into options like the Matias Half-QWERTY and managed to get pretty fast in their online simulation. I have to admit, part of me wanted to decide on the special keyboard because it was cool, but in the end, I decided that speech recognition would be the cheaper and more effective way to go for me.

The other positive is that it's been a good way for me to improve my speaking skills.
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Offline InSanCen

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« Reply #38 on: Thu, 03 September 2009, 04:53:51 »
Quote from: ripster;114210
Hey dude, you get a pass.   Anybody in pain can type any damn way they want to.  Sorry, we didn't know the circumstances and assumed it was a 16 yr old (now all the 16 yr old's are going to come down on me - they tend to be the fastest typists around here).

As Ripster says, you get a pass.

Your shortening of words just looked quite like the average 16 year old's "lazy typing".

Given Medical problems, then I dare say people will make the effort.
Congratulations on deciding to type yourself though. Grab yourself some nice boards, minimise (Eliminate?) the pain, and enjoy.

Again, I did not know the Circumstances, and as I said, I was not having a go at you.

As Hyperlinked says, Dragon Naturally Speaking (Or the Mac variant of it), is great. Granted, you need to train it, but when you do, it's well worth it. I can talk at just slightly under my normal speed (which is pretty fast anyway), and it makes very few errors. I tend not to use it that much though, more for stream of conciousness ideas type stuff, where my poor typing speed and technique, (Compared to many on here) would interrupt the flow of thoughts. I dare say you can get a trial version for download to try out without laying down the folding on what may be an unknown quantity to you.

In no way did I intend to come over as Elitist. It just annoys me that with an awfully large number of the younger generation (I am not exactly old myself though!), the minimal extra effort for a young, probably healthy person, is simply not put in. In all honesty, it probably takes  more effort to mentally remove the vowels, and use number-letter substitution than it does to actually type the word correctly in the first place. Sorry, It's a pet-hate of mine, that earns people a Block on any IM program if they use it more than a couple of times.

InSanCen
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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 03 September 2009, 15:41:19 »
wow. thanks guys! appreciate the great comments & suggestions.
ive considered speak programs, but for whatever reasons cant get enthused about it. i am determined to type 'correctly' & more importantly for me- with higher rate. right now i have to look at the keyboard & use 2 fingers... lol.
anyway, thanks again. i truly appreciate it.

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« Reply #40 on: Thu, 03 September 2009, 16:12:44 »
Quote from: mike2h;114495
wow. thanks guys! appreciate the great comments & suggestions.
ive considered speak programs, but for whatever reasons cant get enthused about it. i am determined to type 'correctly' & more importantly for me- with higher rate. right now i have to look at the keyboard & use 2 fingers... lol.
anyway, thanks again. i truly appreciate it.


The hardcore way to learn?

Blank keys. You don't have a choice then. You learn, or you stop using the PC.

I still want a set, as my technique, although not exactly henpecking (50-75WPM), is awful, and I look at the keyboard, which is great for "from the brain" stuff, but not for any kind of "work" typing.
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Project\'s :- Wang 724 Pink-->White Clicky : USB Model M : IBM LPFK :
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« Reply #41 on: Thu, 03 September 2009, 16:17:18 »
One of the fastest ways I have found to learn to touch type is to use a split-ergonomic 'board. The split in the keys forces you to use the proper hand for the proper key, and later, as you get frustrated enough with that, you eventually adapt and start touch-typing. After you get your basic form down, switch to a blank keyboard to reinforce that muscle memory (that's what I need to work on, and I have been typing for around 25 years).


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« Reply #42 on: Thu, 03 September 2009, 16:24:29 »
I have been using a keyboard for around the same amount of time (I saw a mouse for the first time and thought "it'll never catch on"), hence the half-decent speed, but I never learned to touch type... In school, they were bothered about speed and accuracy only, and I was the fastest in the class, so they left me and my technique alone.

I will learn though(Mavis Beacon and Type Faster are fired up most nights while browsing GH). I am back to my beloved BS board though, and though the "ping" annoys me now after using Pink's on the Wang (Insert semi-rude joke here Ripster), the feel is not in any way better, it is much more what I am used to (25WPM difference) after all these years.

I do find myself having to type with my wrists rested though, or I get Strain very easily (Forgot about that), whereas with the Wang, I could keep the wrists raised (Not very conducive to learning Touch Typing, one of the major factors for switching back.
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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 04 September 2009, 13:17:01 »
i pulled the trigger on the deck frost. my hand was actually shaking when i did it. lol.
while it is by far the most i have ever spent on a kb- the next closest was that pos razer tarantula with the worthless 'battlelight', around $110 combined- i have spent thousands over the last 3 years on comp parts. spensing a significant amount of money on a primary interface for my comp shouldnt be that big of a deal. especially considering one my pet peeves with most people who buy/build high end comps usually put little emphasis on monitors & mice. now i can add kb to the list;)
wont get it till the 14th/15th. after ive used it for a few days ill update u guys on what i think.
u have no idea how much i have to think about what im typing & make my hands avoid all those shorcuts some of u hate so much. ;).
its a good thing as it will stop me from 'lazy' typing. going to have to put lidoderm patches on my arm first though. lol.

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« Reply #44 on: Fri, 04 September 2009, 13:40:40 »
Congrats on the order, I'm sure you'll enjoy the keyboard.
Have you tried Texter? Might be a way to use shortcuts without anyone knowing.
I never gave it a fair trial, I wanted to focus on learning to type properly, but it looks like a useful tool.

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« Reply #45 on: Fri, 04 September 2009, 14:11:55 »
thx for the info, but like you i need to learn to type 'properly'.
i hope the kb is as durable as it seems. i believe using it will better my typing experience, once i get used to it.

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 04 September 2009, 14:22:34 »
Quote from: mike2h;114806
its a good thing as it will stop me from 'lazy' typing. going to have to put lidoderm patches on my arm first though. lol.


BTW, if you don't mind me asking, what did you do to your arm or what disability were you born with? I actually used to work in physical rehab before I went off and became a computer guy.
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Domes: Matias Optimizer, Kensington ComfortType, Microsoft Internet Keyboard
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« Reply #47 on: Fri, 04 September 2009, 18:01:21 »
Quote from: hyperlinked;114833
BTW, if you don't mind me asking, what did you do to your arm or what disability were you born with? I actually used to work in physical rehab before I went off and became a computer guy.

 it is an 'oji'. was lifting something(box of lap packs to be exact) overhead while turning(no comment on the sillynes of that pls. the situation required me to expedite things:)) & got a nice popping sound out of my elbow. tore a tendon pretty good & associated nerve dmg.
lost about 20% of arm movement & quite a bit of strength. it pretty much aches & burns 24/7 but that is, what it is. probably going to have another surgery(3yrs post op now) but delaying as long as i can.
i stretch/work it out everday otherwise it would be considerably worse. as i know you are aware its all about keeping it as limber as possible, working out your system for adapting(i use my lt hand considerably more now, got real tired of dropping ****-the $30 wine glass that i had just filled with a '95 pine ridge cab was the final straw lol)) & moving onward. which is pretty much were im at:)

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« Reply #48 on: Sat, 05 September 2009, 03:56:57 »
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i stretch/work it out everday otherwise it would be considerably worse. as i know you are aware its all about keeping it as limber as possible, working out your system for adapting(i use my lt hand considerably more now, got real tired of dropping ****-the $30 wine glass that i had just filled with a '95 pine ridge cab was the final straw lol)) & moving onward. which is pretty much were im at:)

Well, it sounds like you've already been given a lot of advice and help with the arm and my physical therapy license probably stopped being valid around a decade ago so I won't have much to add. I assume that this is an old old injury so most of the nerve that's going to grow back has already grown back. You're right on about doing exercises to keep it limber and anything that improves your hand and arm strength and conditioning is probably a good idea as long as you don't go overboard.

Depending on how severe and which nerve got most of the damage, you'll need to compensate with your other muscles to "simulate" the actions of the muscles that lost innervation when you're typing... (actually from your typing, I think it's safe to assume that you're having to compensate). I assume that you  have a rehab doctor or therapist who knows that you're determined to develop the strength and coordination to type properly, yeah? There's a fine line between pushing yourself and causing joint damage and soft tissue injury if you train too hard with a compensatory movement pattern. You want to make sure what you're doing isn't going to cost you additional hand function loss in 10 or 20 years. Rehab exercises are good. Just make sure they're the right ones for you.
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Topre: Realforce 103U Cherry: Filco Majestouch 104 (Brown), Ione Scorpius M10 (Blue)
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Domes: Matias Optimizer, Kensington ComfortType, Microsoft Internet Keyboard
Scissors: Apple Full Sized Aluminum
Pointy Stuff: Razer Imperator, Razer Copperhead, DT225 Trackball, Apple Magic Mouse, Logitech MX1000, Apple Mighty Mouse
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« Reply #49 on: Sat, 05 September 2009, 13:45:08 »
that 'pushing yourself' thing is something i have to constantly monitor as i tend to get a little 'gung ho' in most endeavors. paid penalties quite a few times lol.
it is as good as its going to get baring any improvemants from another surgery- wich i have serious doubts about. my mission is to not let it get worse, have seen-as i know you have- to many people let their injury/pain get the best of them. after a while it is an easy thing to do. been there a cpl of times as i blew out L3 & L4(another oji) about 14 yrs ago. add a thoracic bk injury & you get the picture. lol.
for reference, before i injured my arm i was doing curls with 45lb dumbells- 2 sets of 10. recently got myself to doing 1 set of 10 with 15lb. my goal is 2 sets of 8 with 20lb but dont think its going to happen. i can still do the 45lb with my lt arm;)
thx for your interest. always good to hear new/different perspective, as u never know what you will learn.