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Title: [IC] GMK JAGS | GB July 24th, Pricing added, Prototypist added as UK Vendor
Post by: illusixn on Mon, 01 March 2021, 07:39:03
GB July 24 - August 24
GB Post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113937.0)


Hi everyone, welcome to the interest check for GMK JAGS.
Change log and thoughts on R5 are in first reply to this thread.

Interest check form: https://forms.gle/8Yya3ZLNDY9y1jPE8


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This set uses WS2 for the primary legends. All other colors were selected from the RAL Classic and RAL Design catalogs.

Below are the current iterations of the kits I would like to run. Kits are subject to change based on feedback.

Base:

This kit provides compatibility for 40%, 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL, 1800, and full-size boards.

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Previous base kit:
More
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Hangul:

The sublegends are meant to be UV printed. I prefer the look of accented sublegends over doubleshot here, but may opt for doubleshot if quotes (assuming this set makes it to that stage) are too expensive.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50992885317_64e8080e3d_o.png)

Extension:

The legends on the windowed keys are UV printed.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50992767496_4dc85dfdf3_o.png)

Spacebars:

Includes accented bars and Alice bars. The extra B necessary for the Alice layout is also in the kit.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50992885287_06b2696faa_o.png)

R5:

The R5 kit includes compatibility for 7u bottom rows. Slimmed the kit down by excluding mods for 6.25u bottom rows to keep the price more reasonable.

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Collaborations:
 
RAMA WORKS x GMK JAGS
Both caps are anodized aluminum with enamel infill.

Accent:

(https://i.imgur.com/tQhIHRN.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/aASDHs6.png)

Mod:

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Keebstuff x GMK JAGS

The plan is to offer a MDPC-X sleeved and a stainless steel sleeved version. LEMO is cerakoted Aztec Teal.
Below is a peek at the MDPC-X version. More pics of the cerakoted LEMO color and other things can be found on Keebstuff's Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/keebstuff/).

(https://i.imgur.com/5ZIs9Ma.jpg)

Deskmat:

I don't think the hobby really needs more of these, but if people would really like to see a mat that matches the colors used in the set, I can try to get something done.

Board renders:

TGR Alice by yuktsi:

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Pegasus:

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Lily:

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Deus:

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TGR 910 by yuktsi:

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JAGS on Anodized Black TKL

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Vendors:

US: Cannon Keys
CA: Deskhero
CN: zFrontier
EU: Mykeyboard
KR: Swagkeys
OCE: Daily Clack
SEA: iLumkb
UK: Prototypist


Pricing:

(https://i.imgur.com/tupUNLK.png)

Interest check form: https://forms.gle/8Yya3ZLNDY9y1jPE8
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: illusixn on Mon, 01 March 2021, 07:39:26
Change log:

R5...
More
Updated the kit to include 1u Supers. The idea of including this kit has grown on me quite a bit. I've wanted to try R5, but didn't want to buy sets that were forcing it in base without offering an alternative.
Will update main post soon.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: gilbert on Mon, 01 March 2021, 07:41:51
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/tlmBjks.jpg)

tony snell so lit
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: JumpStream on Mon, 01 March 2021, 07:42:40
I dig the teal, glwic

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: udller on Mon, 01 March 2021, 07:44:49
what does this set have to do with the military lawyer tv show ??
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Adil_1907 on Mon, 01 March 2021, 07:50:30
Pls Add a NorDe/International Kit :Hype:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Lil on Mon, 01 March 2021, 07:50:42
Are there Hangul sublegends because Tony Snell is of Korean descent?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: frostykoala on Mon, 01 March 2021, 07:55:56
ne b in base avail
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Bub on Mon, 01 March 2021, 08:03:35
ne b in base avail

agreed... consider moving b to base. having no doubleshot keys will lower price of the kit as well.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Oggi on Mon, 01 March 2021, 08:18:49
Are there Hangul sublegends because Tony Snell is of Korean descent?
(https://imgur.com/qkvqDaP.jpg)

yes
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: powwu on Mon, 01 March 2021, 08:31:48
Modo on steroids. I vibe w it.

B in the spacebar kit isn't a big deal, since you'll need that kit for alice anyways.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: AshF on Mon, 01 March 2021, 08:46:14
 It would be really nice to see decent international support here as this is a really nice set (specifically UK
 ISO). Excellent work
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Luciqueii on Mon, 01 March 2021, 08:51:59
This is lit, I am in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: FishyKeebs on Mon, 01 March 2021, 08:54:47
Looks like rainy day to me although I don’t have a problem with that
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: LittleAad on Mon, 01 March 2021, 09:04:30
Absolute fire but b in base would be nice.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: VXQN on Mon, 01 March 2021, 09:18:51
Modern dolch mid? I'm into it. Also would like to see other languages/UK ISO supported.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Laur on Mon, 01 March 2021, 09:23:03
this is absolutely a yes. yes please. glad to see IC out for this!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: NovaRMK on Mon, 01 March 2021, 10:10:26
Yes.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Skok on Mon, 01 March 2021, 10:16:14
Show Image
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More
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trade?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Vadurr on Mon, 01 March 2021, 10:20:24
I'm with it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: catamscott on Mon, 01 March 2021, 10:27:57
good colors, kitting looks fine to me, super clean set. love this
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: KKoNaM on Mon, 01 March 2021, 10:40:31
the true GMK Modern Dolch light
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: ai06L on Mon, 01 March 2021, 10:53:35
im in
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: sGhost on Mon, 01 March 2021, 10:57:21
Show Image
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I'm so in for this  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: iinko_mk on Mon, 01 March 2021, 11:44:59
this is so nice, will cop
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: martensson on Mon, 01 March 2021, 12:03:44
This is how I expect MoDo Light to actually be!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: dallman5 on Mon, 01 March 2021, 13:20:42
Looks super clean, very interested!

Mandatory, NE R5 avail?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: ab042896 on Mon, 01 March 2021, 13:39:55
love the colorway, like the kitting choices for the most part, GLWIC

+1 R5
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: illusixn on Mon, 01 March 2021, 15:36:46
Looks super clean, very interested!

Mandatory, NE R5 avail?

love the colorway and the kitting choices for the most part, GLWIC

+1 R5

I personally have never tried R5 so I did not include it in the initial kitting. Though, I'm not against possibly adding R5 keys into a kit somewhere if enough of the community feels strongly about it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 01 March 2021, 16:41:30
Why the hell has it become so rare to find a gmk ic with icon+legend mods and no r5
looks great, love the colors
please consider adding the 3 most common 40% keycaps in base (1.75u r2 Backspace, 1.25u r3 Tab, 1.5u r3 Enter)
also maybe accent arrows?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: paperassgasket on Mon, 01 March 2021, 16:48:10
I really like that Extension kit. I love me some windowed keys and macro columns.
I also really love r5 so maybe that's not a bad place to stick the row 5 keys?

Obligatory: 40% keyboard support please.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: totalemon on Mon, 01 March 2021, 17:13:13
Pretty nice! Will definitely consider :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 01 March 2021, 17:32:16
like the colors, hope this runs.

The key w/ R5 is to separate wanting R5 from wanting it instead of R4 in the base: add r5 to the extension kit for both 1.25u x7 and tsangan and the arrows, the extension kit will be at least 80$ and the sales are gonna hurt. Some will want it for the shine through, some for the macros, some for the R5, and not enough of us trade to make it worthwhile. I like R5 even though it adds cost to a base kit. I'd probably buy anyways w R4. I'm not buying a giant extension kit.

So everyone who wanted R5: you want in the base? you have to outnumber the people who say they won't buy it if R5 is there. Want it in the extension? Gotta be willing to pay 210+ USD before shipping for base and extension.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: L-Ron on Mon, 01 March 2021, 17:41:03
Very very nice set. Please consider Daily Clack for AU vendor :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: gMit on Mon, 01 March 2021, 17:42:35
Sets look great.
DC for Oceania vendor please
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 01 March 2021, 17:49:13
One of the few GMK sets that's caught my eye; love the colour scheme. I'm stuck on the fence due to no R5 though.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: bigern302 on Mon, 01 March 2021, 17:56:17
Why the hell has it become so rare to find a gmk ic with icon+legend mods and no r5
looks great, love the colors
please consider adding the 3 most common 40% keycaps in base (1.75u r2 Backspace, 1.25u r3 Tab, 1.75u r3 Enter)
also maybe accent arrows?
This
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Mon, 01 March 2021, 19:34:00
Are there Hangul sublegends because Tony Snell is of Korean descent?
Show Image
(https://imgur.com/qkvqDaP.jpg)


yes

Oggi Bad.
TS, GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 01 March 2021, 20:05:46
I likes, also R5 please.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Arithmetics on Tue, 02 March 2021, 00:17:57
lovin the green hangul. macro columns?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: illusixn on Tue, 02 March 2021, 07:26:17
Ok, let's start...

40s People:
please consider adding the 3 most common 40% keycaps in base (1.75u r2 Backspace, 1.25u r3 Tab, 1.75u r3 Enter)
Obligatory: 40% keyboard support please.

As a non-40s user, the 3 key 40s support in base route has been on my radar for a little while now. It seems like a relatively harmless way to add at least SOME support for 40% users. However, I'm sure people from this part of the community would prefer a dedicated kit that would offer support for a bunch more layouts out there. While I really have no problem with working to put together a dedicated kit, I continue to get hung up on the issue of meeting MOQs. From what I have seen it takes an extremely popular set for the dedicated 40s kit to get enough love. What are people's preferences regarding 3-key support in base vs dedicated kit? Please let me know; I would like to know where your heads are at.

Regarding R5:
Currently, I would prefer to stick with R4 in base, but my initial thought was maybe adding R5 support to the extension kit. However, I feel that kit would then become really beefy and much more expensive than it should be as a result . Alternatively, I can look at a potential dedicated R5 kit? With this too, there is the problem of MOQ. If R5 were to be added somewhere, do people want mod sizes for both 6.25u and 7u bottom rows? Let me know.

Overall:
I'll draft up some kitting revisions to show some possible options for both of these requests. I will say that as a potential first time runner, I am a little bit wary of attempting to run too many kits, but I hope I can bring some options that people can look forward to.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: swifthunting on Tue, 02 March 2021, 07:36:41
Great colors, GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Tomson on Tue, 02 March 2021, 08:45:24
Good looking set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 02 March 2021, 11:00:26
As a non-40s user, the 3 key 40s support in base route has been on my radar for a little while now. It seems like a relatively harmless way to add at least SOME support for 40% users. However, I'm sure people from this part of the community would prefer a dedicated kit that would offer support for a bunch more layouts out there. While I really have no problem with working to put together a dedicated kit, I continue to get hung up on the issue of meeting MOQs. From what I have seen it takes an extremely popular set for the dedicated 40s kit to get enough love. What are people's preferences regarding 3-key support in base vs dedicated kit? Please let me know; I would like to know where your heads are at.

Realistically, GMK prices for child kits are far too expensive. 40s users would have to pay an extra 50% on top of the base kit to get coverage for a board that will use half the keys included in both kits total. The three key system in base works very well as a standard because like, seriously, 90% of smaller boards (and 100% of all the premium 40% boards) get row coverage from just those three keys. It makes a ton of sense to be able to get the whole shebang in one go and be able to swap the set to other layouts without having to be like "aw darn a year ago I should have paid $50 for those two keys I needed".
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Steve Laroo on Tue, 02 March 2021, 11:15:15
+1 for adding the 3 40s keys to base, as you said it avoids concern for a child kit that misses MOQ frequently and is a relatively harmless addition. Those 3 keys would maximize the amount of weirdos who could get by with base and space bars while keeping additions to a minimum. Obviously it can get out of hand quickly if you try and cover every layout but those 3 will cover a vast majority of boards in the wild.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: nvh2092 on Tue, 02 March 2021, 11:18:47
Ok, let's start...

40s People:
please consider adding the 3 most common 40% keycaps in base (1.75u r2 Backspace, 1.25u r3 Tab, 1.75u r3 Enter)
Obligatory: 40% keyboard support please.

As a non-40s user, the 3 key 40s support in base route has been on my radar for a little while now. It seems like a relatively harmless way to add at least SOME support for 40% users. However, I'm sure people from this part of the community would prefer a dedicated kit that would offer support for a bunch more layouts out there. While I really have no problem with working to put together a dedicated kit, I continue to get hung up on the issue of meeting MOQs. From what I have seen it takes an extremely popular set for the dedicated 40s kit to get enough love. What are people's preferences regarding 3-key support in base vs dedicated kit? Please let me know; I would like to know where your heads are at.

Regarding R5:
Currently, I would prefer to stick with R4 in base, but my initial thought was maybe adding R5 support to the extension kit. However, I feel that kit would then become really beefy and much more expensive than it should be as a result . Alternatively, I can look at a potential dedicated R5 kit? With this too, there is the problem of MOQ. If R5 were to be added somewhere, do people want mod sizes for both 6.25u and 7u bottom rows? Let me know.

Overall:
I'll draft up some kitting revisions to show some possible options for both of these requests. I will say that as a potential first time runner, I am a little bit wary of attempting to run too many kits, but I hope I can bring some options that people can look forward to.
Well, R5 is more expensive than R4. So I think it's better to add more keys to cover more layouts rather than change to R5 and then you'll need to trim down the base to reduce the price.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: matthewdias on Tue, 02 March 2021, 11:36:12
We like 3-key 40s support

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 02 March 2021, 12:52:45
Regarding R5:
Currently, I would prefer to stick with R4 in base, but my initial thought was maybe adding R5 support to the extension kit. However, I feel that kit would then become really beefy and much more expensive than it should be as a result . Alternatively, I can look at a potential dedicated R5 kit? With this too, there is the problem of MOQ. If R5 were to be added somewhere, do people want mod sizes for both 6.25u and 7u bottom rows? Let me know.
Thanks for at least considering it. If R5 were added somewhere (I'd vote for a separate kit), I'd personally only be interested in a full winkeyless bottom row. After thinking about it more, I think lack of R5 would be enough to stop me buying the set, as much as I'm fond of it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: bigern302 on Tue, 02 March 2021, 14:02:26
3 key 40s support is really the way to go.  Generally, you can expect ≈10% attach rates with GMK 40s kits. As such, I wouldn’t put the effort into kitting, rendering, and quoting a full 40s kit unless you expect to easily clear 1000 base sets.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: sub0001 on Tue, 02 March 2021, 17:19:37
colors are dope, hoping to see this go to GB.

would prob cop an R5 kit if it was run, but lack of R5 in the base certainly isn't a dealbreaker for me here.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: smshark on Tue, 02 March 2021, 17:55:57
While I don't want to be presumptive about MOQ and how big this set can get... I would agree that including 3 40s keys in base tends to be a much safer proposition and is preferable as a 40s user.

Big fan of the set overall and the alt alphas are great! 40s compat in base would make it a must-have
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: HappyB0T on Tue, 02 March 2021, 20:48:21
Really Nice - R5 please.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: C_L | Soup on Wed, 03 March 2021, 00:03:42
I really enjoy this set! Looking forward for this going to GB. Also enjoy the sub-legends, very noice.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: nagi on Wed, 03 March 2021, 08:14:36
oof this is really nice
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: illusixn on Wed, 03 March 2021, 08:33:27
Thanks everyone for the feedback and words of affirmation. The comments here and in the Google Form are very helpful.

To the people interested in R5:
Since I decided against a dedicated 40s kit, and instead went with 3-key compatibility in base, I may have a kit for you all to be interested in soon. Currently working on legends so I can render my current plan for a possible kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Izeri on Wed, 03 March 2021, 09:28:11
So clean, glwic!
Title: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: blaqbern on Wed, 03 March 2021, 09:34:13
I know it’s a bit niche, but if the R5 kit happens, 1.5U Super and 1U Alt would be a nice addition for Mac users.

Loving this, BTW. Nice work!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: AshF on Wed, 03 March 2021, 09:46:48
It would be nice to see a UK ISO kit - GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Skok on Wed, 03 March 2021, 10:01:20
any chance for uniform r5?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 03 March 2021, 10:40:46
Dude, you rock. Thanks for listening and considering the changes. Super stoked for the set!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: illusixn on Wed, 03 March 2021, 11:02:24
any chance for uniform r5?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 03 March 2021, 12:02:16
any chance for uniform r5?

Can't tell if serious or you don't know what "uniform" means.

But yeah adding row 5 to this would be amazing though I alone couldn't advise if it would be best accomplished with additional keys or replacing current mods.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Skok on Wed, 03 March 2021, 12:10:52
any chance for uniform r5?

Can't tell if serious or you don't know what "uniform" means.

But yeah adding row 5 to this would be amazing though I alone couldn't advise if it would be best accomplished with additional keys or replacing current mods.

lol yes it was a joke
(https://media.tenor.com/images/65aaedf6cd7f992b363fd6090d2f79b3/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 03 March 2021, 12:45:39
The colourway is nice and the Macro extensions keys is a really nice touch.  What about UK ISO in the base set?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Senbeii on Wed, 03 March 2021, 14:09:50
Damnnn the colors pop off, really hope this makes it into GB!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Sumthingasian on Wed, 03 March 2021, 14:15:13
Thanks for the physical 40s compat!  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: MattyRice on Wed, 03 March 2021, 14:26:29
I like this alot, elegant cool(temp) color scheme! Suggestion if you can, render with the onyx keyboard would look so nice. Mainly because im probably gonna use it with that LOL (ewhite)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Glenthorne on Wed, 03 March 2021, 16:37:20
This is a nice set! I dig it. ISO would be sweet too!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: sup3r170va on Thu, 04 March 2021, 07:08:44
Is the 40s compatible enter 1.5u or 1.75u? It looks like 1.5u, so I just wanna make sure. I think 1.75u is compatible with more kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Izeri on Thu, 04 March 2021, 08:24:03
Is the 40s compatible enter 1.5u or 1.75u? It looks like 1.5u, so I just wanna make sure. I think 1.75u is compatible with more kits.

It actually would not, you've already got 2xR3 1.75u keys you can use instead. Adding an R3 1.5u allows more boards to be physically compatible
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: sup3r170va on Thu, 04 March 2021, 10:48:09
Is the 40s compatible enter 1.5u or 1.75u? It looks like 1.5u, so I just wanna make sure. I think 1.75u is compatible with more kits.

It actually would not, you've already got 2xR3 1.75u keys you can use instead. Adding an R3 1.5u allows more boards to be physically compatible

if you are ok with Control or CapsLock to be where Enter is supposed to be. If the intention is to offer a R3 1.5u Enter, I think it is better to convert the R3 1.75u Control to an R3 1.75u Enter. My 2c.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: illusixn on Thu, 04 March 2021, 14:19:24
Is the 40s compatible enter 1.5u or 1.75u? It looks like 1.5u, so I just wanna make sure. I think 1.75u is compatible with more kits.

It actually would not, you've already got 2xR3 1.75u keys you can use instead. Adding an R3 1.5u allows more boards to be physically compatible

if you are ok with Control or CapsLock to be where Enter is supposed to be. If the intention is to offer a R3 1.5u Enter, I think it is better to convert the R3 1.75u Control to an R3 1.75u Enter. My 2c.

As Izeri explained, this method is geared towards providing physical compatibility for some layouts. To my knowledge, this is the solution that members of the 40% Discord came to for getting compatibility for their boards without the need for a dedicated kit. I plan on keeping the 1.75u control as is since I know there are quite a few people who put control in the position of caps in their keymaps.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: That_One_Brodie on Thu, 04 March 2021, 15:07:58
Wonderful set, and as a 40's user I'm glad you're adding40's support to the base kit!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: RoyalOak88 on Thu, 04 March 2021, 15:49:21
It would be really nice to see decent international support here as this is a really nice set (specifically UK
 ISO). Excellent work

I second this, specifically South Int.
Really nice set, with a nice color choice :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: illusixn on Fri, 05 March 2021, 07:18:21
It would be really nice to see decent international support here as this is a really nice set (specifically UK
 ISO). Excellent work

I second this, specifically South Int.
Really nice set, with a nice color choice :thumb:

For now I plan on sticking with physical support for ISO layouts.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: AshF on Fri, 05 March 2021, 08:03:40
That's ashame. GLWIC

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Stanncreek on Fri, 05 March 2021, 09:28:54
I really like this.  Maybe a gold novelty key? 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: swagkey on Fri, 05 March 2021, 09:36:57
Hello
Could tou tell me your discord ID?
Thanks
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Visionaire on Mon, 08 March 2021, 16:41:34
I dig it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: starflame on Mon, 08 March 2021, 16:44:06
Ikki68 Aurora Mint gang must-have set for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Bobatype on Tue, 09 March 2021, 00:05:56
Just wanted to give a +1 to the title of the set 'JAGS' /'just another gray set'
Not into Dolch-like Gray sets personally (my preference is less conservative), but I do think what you've done here looks good.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: illusixn on Tue, 09 March 2021, 14:04:51
I dig it.

Ikki68 Aurora Mint gang must-have set for sure.

Just wanted to give a +1 to the title of the set 'JAGS' /'just another gray set'
Not into Dolch-like Gray sets personally (my preference is less conservative), but I do think what you've done here looks good.

Glad people like. Currently trying to work on more renders and I plan on trying to secure vendors soon.

Also, I'd like to know what people think of the initial draft of the R5 kit I posted in the first reply.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 09 March 2021, 15:33:33
I dig it.

Ikki68 Aurora Mint gang must-have set for sure.

Just wanted to give a +1 to the title of the set 'JAGS' /'just another gray set'
Not into Dolch-like Gray sets personally (my preference is less conservative), but I do think what you've done here looks good.

Glad people like. Currently trying to work on more renders and I plan on trying to secure vendors soon.

Also, I'd like to know what people think of the initial draft of the R5 kit I posted in the first reply.

R5 kit looks great as it is. Text and icon mods and R5? Definitely in for this.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 09 March 2021, 15:40:08
Also, I'd like to know what people think of the initial draft of the R5 kit I posted in the first reply.
Perfect.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: dallman5 on Tue, 09 March 2021, 15:59:00
Also, I'd like to know what people think of the initial draft of the R5 kit I posted in the first reply.

I wouldn't hate 1u super keys being added but other than that it looks great! Thanks for listening to feedback  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: vibaSept on Tue, 09 March 2021, 17:30:25
praying for a NorDe Kit to happen ;D I think it looks great with the sublegends accent color while still being minimal :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: ab042896 on Wed, 10 March 2021, 12:37:14
Also, I'd like to know what people think of the initial draft of the R5 kit I posted in the first reply.

I wouldn't hate 1u super keys being added but other than that it looks great! Thanks for listening to feedback  :thumb:
Like the kit already, although I agree about this
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: zoo on Wed, 10 March 2021, 14:31:19
B in base pls!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: paperassgasket on Fri, 12 March 2021, 01:34:49
just checking back and I see 3 40's keys in base. Excellent.
Now let's just scoot that second B key in there too and I think you're done.

Row 5 addition is fantastic.

I'm impressed with how well and how quickly this has improved.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: illusixn on Mon, 15 March 2021, 07:49:00
I wouldn't hate 1u super keys being added but other than that it looks great! Thanks for listening to feedback  :thumb:
I wouldn't hate 1u super keys being added but other than that it looks great! Thanks for listening to feedback  :thumb:
Like the kit already, although I agree about this

Went ahead and added in the 1u Supers to the R5 kit.

B in base pls!!
Now let's just scoot that second B key in there too and I think you're done.

The designer of GMK Nightlight has been harassing me about moving B to base, so that may be the next change. Still thinking about it though.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: paperassgasket on Mon, 15 March 2021, 07:53:39
thatkoaladoe doesn't give bad advice.
You should listen.


...or else.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: ogp3 on Mon, 15 March 2021, 12:41:32
Though I'm slightly disappointed not to be able to have a 40s kit inclusive of accent colors, I am grateful and excited to have basic support in the base kit! Thank you for the changes you've made!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Oggi on Mon, 15 March 2021, 19:46:04
Just saw the R5 kit, totally in for that if you decide to go through with it
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Mad_Rhetoric on Wed, 17 March 2021, 16:29:43
Any chance you can add a R1 = key to Numpad in base?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: illusixn on Thu, 18 March 2021, 07:27:58
Any chance you can add a R1 = key to Numpad in base?

Probably not in base, no. It is in the extension kit, though. However, I do understand it may be hard to justify buying an entire kit for 1 key so hopefully the rest of the kit would also be useful to people looking for R1 '='.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Anorexious on Thu, 18 March 2021, 10:11:15
I really like the hangul, i hope we have base kit based on that
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: illusixn on Thu, 18 March 2021, 11:25:58
I really like the hangul, i hope we have base kit based on that

I don't think a second base kit would be too successful. I am neither a high profile enough designer, nor do I think that type of thing would have enough universal appeal to meet moq.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS
Post by: HappyB0T on Thu, 18 March 2021, 12:08:06

Realistically, GMK prices for child kits are far too expensive. 40s users would have to pay an extra 50% on top of the base kit to get coverage for a board that will use half the keys included in both kits total. The three key system in base works very well as a standard because like, seriously, 90% of smaller boards (and 100% of all the premium 40% boards) get row coverage from just those three keys. It makes a ton of sense to be able to get the whole shebang in one go and be able to swap the set to other layouts without having to be like "aw darn a year ago I should have paid $50 for those two keys I needed".

Colors look great. Great feedback on this set Kokallo
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: zoo on Thu, 18 March 2021, 18:48:44
i appreciate your response to the feedback so far :) i really do love the chose colors so far :D glwic!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: veelut on Thu, 18 March 2021, 19:08:20
the sublegends look so good in that color!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Ayeinw on Sat, 20 March 2021, 03:15:02
Love this set! Would love to see a render on a black board but not necessary. Can't wait to see this enter the GB stage :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: paperassgasket on Thu, 25 March 2021, 21:23:31
I really like the hangul, i hope we have base kit based on that

I don't think a second base kit would be too successful. I am neither a high profile enough designer, nor do I think that type of thing would have enough universal appeal to meet moq.

I think you are a smart designer though.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Fri, 26 March 2021, 01:22:21
i love gray & this is super nice!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: KucherenkoZZZ on Fri, 26 March 2021, 16:43:55
There is more Alice-Layouts than 40's and still some runners prefer not to include second B in base kit smh
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: Arithmetics on Fri, 26 March 2021, 16:45:56
whats the reason to have second b in the base if you still need to buy the space bars anyway?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: KucherenkoZZZ on Fri, 26 March 2021, 16:55:17
whats the reason to have second b in the base if you still need to buy the space bars anyway?

Actually no. Decent kitting like Handarbeit R2 or Hazakura has all alice spacebars (including 2U) and second B in base kit. But even if there were no spacebars i still can use "0 Ins" keycap from numpad to cover my alice but its hard to find something to cover a second B.

The real question is: What's the reason to include 40's support in a base when 40's community is small af. I mean im okay with a separate kit for it, but not on a base kit, today there is over a 10 popular alice clones on a market and some runners still thinking that this is a minority that needs to buy a separate kit LOL its just driving me crazy when i see this. The hell with a spacebar but second B is a must in 2021 for any base kit
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: illusixn on Fri, 26 March 2021, 19:57:47
There is more Alice-Layouts than 40's and still some runners prefer not to include second B in base kit smh
Actually no. Decent kitting like Handarbeit R2 or Hazakura has all alice spacebars (including 2U) and second B in base kit. But even if there were no spacebars i still can use "0 Ins" keycap from numpad to cover my alice but its hard to find something to cover a second B.

The real question is: What's the reason to include 40's support in a base when 40's community is small af. I mean im okay with a separate kit for it, but not on a base kit, today there is over a 10 popular alice clones on a market and some runners still thinking that this is a minority that needs to buy a separate kit LOL its just driving me crazy when i see this. The hell with a spacebar but second B is a must in 2021 for any base kit

Sorry that I was unable to provide you with decent kitting, though I'm pretty sure you could technically cover an Alice board with just a base kit by leveraging shifts and the numpad 0s. I am opting for 3-key 40s support in the base kit because I think it kind of sucks to make 40s users buy an entire separate kit, from which they will probably only use a few keys, on top of a base kit. At least in this way users of these layouts can get physical coverage (some layouts will have incorrect legends in quite a few places, but compromises have to be made) for their boards in a kit that they are going to be purchasing anyway for comparatively low cost. For reference, I'm not a 40s user; I don't even like the layout. All that being said, there is still a chance that I move the second B to the base kit. I'm pretty sure there is a message mentioning that on the previous page.

Taking this reply as a chance for some general updates:
I am working on getting some more renders done. I've had some requests for other board colors, so I'm trying to get those along with some polycarb renders done. Unfortunately, it's taking longer than I'd like due to midterms, other university stuff, and just being bad at rendering in general.
The search for vendors is going well, and I hope to bring an update announcing them soon.
But yeah... I think that's about it for now. I appreciate all the comments/feedback.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: nicx on Tue, 30 March 2021, 20:31:17
Really loving this color way, count me in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: XiXora on Fri, 02 April 2021, 19:19:14
Oh this is lovely, but I would need UK ISO.

Happy to have 1.5u Supers (and extra 1u Alt) in an extension kit. I would miss them in an R5 kit though.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: frostfiree on Tue, 06 April 2021, 11:57:10
I need this
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | 40s support now in base
Post by: MelonBred on Tue, 06 April 2021, 21:41:21
happy to see 40s compat in base!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: illusixn on Fri, 30 April 2021, 08:50:51
Added a couple renders of the set on polycarb and black boards, and added the current list of vendors. Group buy date is not yet set in stone, so I can't say anything about that yet.
I am working on getting a couple of collabs to go along with the keyset. Among these, I would like to have a couple Rama artisans, but according to the info they have on their collaboration page, I cannot contact them until I have a GB date set.


Glad you guys are liking the set!

Really loving this color way, count me in.
I need this


Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: treeleaf64 on Fri, 30 April 2021, 08:54:03
Yes it's like a mix of the Modo and the Modolight Which makes it a Modomid :)

I like it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: FlitzDeelman on Sat, 01 May 2021, 01:17:36
Yes it's like a mix of the Modo and the Modolight Which makes it a Modomid :)

I like it!
Quasi-Modo?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: jokanevad on Thu, 20 May 2021, 04:21:19
Such a dope kit. Would love to see an international kit added aswell.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: prettydouchebag on Thu, 20 May 2021, 10:40:13
This is SUCH a clean set.

Almost makes me not regret missing out on the last round of MoDo.

GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: illusixn on Fri, 21 May 2021, 09:32:23
Such a dope kit. Would love to see an international kit added aswell.

Thank you, but there are no plans for an international kit this time around.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: AshF on Tue, 25 May 2021, 07:17:07
I'll buy it...but I won't be entirely happy without it!

I will curse your name every time I use the '£' / '$' / '#' / '@' signs - just so you know!

GLWIC > GB
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: thethatthem on Thu, 27 May 2021, 01:31:29
So good! Colors go so well together… looking forward to picking this up
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 06 June 2021, 14:18:04
Have a month in mind for this?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: illusixn on Sun, 06 June 2021, 17:24:42
Have a month in mind for this?

Honestly not even sure if I can share yet since I've only been given a "tentative date", but I'll definitely provide updates as I get them.

Other news: Waiting on quotes, but not sure how long it will take because I have no idea how productive GMK actually is (especially considering recent news of delays). I'm making progress on getting a RAMA cap as well. Excited to share future developments as the come in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 06 June 2021, 18:13:11
No worries. Just excited things are moving. I’d love a Rama cap.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: Flazion on Mon, 07 June 2021, 06:10:13
I love a nice gray set.  Excited about this one!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: Entity. on Tue, 08 June 2021, 06:38:41
will be picking up both base and alphas! love this  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: jpjoseph12 on Wed, 09 June 2021, 02:19:38
Love it, definitely in. Hope there is a UK vendor added as well!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: thejje on Sat, 12 June 2021, 18:16:17
would it be a sin to ask for a deskmat
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: tngpq on Sat, 12 June 2021, 23:13:22
Very nice. Hope hungul sublegends remain as UV printed.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: The_Runz on Fri, 18 June 2021, 20:16:41
I'm in
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: sup3r170va on Fri, 18 June 2021, 20:20:37
Please consider the hangul kit to be in the base instead, or make the hangul kit a base. Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: Yuinth on Sat, 19 June 2021, 10:22:18
Caught my eye with the colors and made it a must buy with the addition of R5.

GLWIC &GB
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: illusixn on Mon, 21 June 2021, 17:44:11
Please consider the hangul kit to be in the base instead, or make the hangul kit a base. Thanks.

Highly unlikely for this to happen. Kitting is more or less final with the possibility for minor tweaks based on quotes, if GMK ever decides they want to send them. The double base kit trend is really only viable with sets that have a high chance of selling an insane number of units.

Very nice. Hope hungul sublegends remain as UV printed.

Pricing permitting, the kit will definitely stay as is.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: tngpq on Mon, 19 July 2021, 02:05:18
saw that GB is starting on July 24 on zfrontier. Not another set in July that I have to pick up....
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: illusixn on Mon, 19 July 2021, 11:53:18
Important update: The IC post has been updated with pricing of kits and the GB for JAGS will begin on July 24th.
RAMA renders and a proto pic of the Keebstuff collab have also been added to the post for you all to take a look at.
Sorry for taking so long to provide an update. It took a while to get quotes and info back from GMK and other collaborators.

Hopefully people feel pricing is reasonable, but there is only so much we can do when working with MOQs like this. Going forward, if I ever venture into keyset design again, I'll probably slim down base kitting in order to get prices as low as possible. I'll also revise some of my greedy kitting decisions (mainly R5 and the extension kit), as these were mostly just me trying to get all of the things I personally wanted in a keyset made.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | GB July 24th, Pricing Added
Post by: LittleAad on Mon, 19 July 2021, 20:16:46
glwgb!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | GB July 24th, Pricing Added
Post by: Arithmetics on Mon, 19 July 2021, 20:30:29
Ramas look great
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | GB July 24th, Pricing Added
Post by: audax989 on Mon, 19 July 2021, 21:08:16
A refreshing take. Definitely interested in this set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | Vendors Announced
Post by: XiXora on Tue, 20 July 2021, 04:34:04
Hopefully people feel pricing is reasonable, but there is only so much we can do when working with MOQs like this. Going forward, if I ever venture into keyset design again, I'll probably slim down base kitting in order to get prices as low as possible. I'll also revise some of my greedy kitting decisions (mainly R5 and the extension kit), as these were mostly just me trying to get all of the things I personally wanted in a keyset made.
Personally, I think the kitting is overall good and has a lot of compatibility… this isn't a bad thing? If a super slim base kit is added, then we all end up paying more with extras child kits anyway.

The extension kit seems good to me. I do not think it is greedy at all. It could have extras keys… I mean, you could move some of the base kit stuff into here (like Zambumon kitting eg. GMK Purple Night, GMK Serika 2) but imo, this is fine either way. I'm just happy to get 1.5U Code keys in it as they were missing in the R5 kit. My HHKBs will be happy.

Good luck with GB. I am personally looking forward to it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK JAGS | GB July 24th, Pricing added, Prototypist added as UK Vendor
Post by: illusixn on Thu, 22 July 2021, 13:44:40
Good luck with GB. I am personally looking forward to it.
Glad you're looking forward to it.
___

I've added a chart to show vendor-specific pricing, so people can have a better idea of what that will look like.
Prototypist has also been added as a vendor for the UK. Big thanks to Jae for agreeing to run the set on such short notice. Hopefully, this makes the set more easily accessible for our UK community members.

This will be the last update until the GB thread is posted. Thanks for the comments and feedback until now.