Post by: MiTo on Sun, 23 April 2017, 12:19:12
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Laser GMK - Short Story
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The DMC across the docks wasn't there when she left to pick dinner at Pho's. The engine was cold, parked underneath the GMK and Pepsi quartz-halogen flood that lit the docks all night. It was bad news.
Her narrow shoulders hunched beneath the rain stained purple nylon windbreaker as she reached for the backdoor's retina scanner. The lock was loose, somebody had breached in.
"Hayley Han..." she heard a voice.
"Now that's a face I haven't seen in a long time", he said.
[TO BE CONTINUED]
Technical Specs
- Cherry Corp. profile (12344)
- Thick 1.5mm ABS plastic and doubleshot legends
- Produced by GMK electronic design GmbH, Germany
- MX stem
- Compatible with standard, ISO, FC660M, WKL, Planck, 40%, 65%, 75%, ErgoDox, etc
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Included Kits
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Base Kit
The base kit contains enough keys to complete a standard US ANSI and ISO, 60%, TKL, or a fullsized keyboard. Highlight accents for the Esc and Enter keycaps are also included, there's also 6u and 7u spacabers, together with touch type F, J and 5 keycaps - little bars and scoops. The stepped and 1.25u keycaps for Caps Lock read Caps Loco. Feel free to request additions and changes, I'd like to mediate your requests and make this kit as pleasing as possible for the majority of you.
(http://i.imgur.com/yusN8f0.png)
Novelties Kit
We initially had two different novelty kits, after extensive community feedback and design contribution I merged both kits into one. The balance between 1980's and Cyberpunk references was kept and the included novelties (as you can see in the render above) are as following:
- Classic retrowave sunset
- A cyberdeck terminal
- Brazilian DEX pill from Neuromancer
- Ghost in the Shell Major's neck neuralink
- Bowl & chopsticks
- Skull - same mold from Carbon GMK
- Laser beam - same mold from Carbon GMK
- Biohazard mycotoxin sign - same mold from Carbon GMK
- Ghost in the Shell Tachikoma (spider tank) eyes
- Rick Deckard's Police ID logo from Blade Runner
- Ghost in the Shell Individual Eleven logo
- Origami unicorn
- Pac Man
- Blinky, Pinky, Inky & Clyde
- Space Invader's alien
- Atari joystick
- Toyota AE86 (Hachi Roku) logo
- Cassette tape
- Stranger Things Eleven's forearm tattoo
- 80's shades
- RAD!
- DeLorean's flux capacitor from Back to the Future
There's also a magenta sunset and a dashboard green Esc. A fuel orange WASD cluster was added in order to complement the Esc/Enter dashboard green keycaps, together with a magenta arrow cluster and the iconic pair of 1.25u 88 digital keycaps to ressemble the classic Windows logo while referencing Back to the Future as well. There's also a pair of 1.25u DMC DeLorean keycaps.
Please take a moment to express what you'd like to see. If you have a vision, or an idea that you'd like to see implemented, please express and we can try to design it together!
(http://i.imgur.com/nhWvQ8n.png)
Euro Kit
A Norde kit with non-standard european characters and accents, this is an all-around kit that should work for most (let me know if not).
(http://i.imgur.com/01RwNak.png)
ErgoPlanck Kit
The ErgoDox and Planck blanks kit containing the modifiers for ErgoDox and Planck. It is possible to make a couple keycaps convex/concave so feel free to request modifications and inclusions if you're bothered by the lack of ergonomics.
(http://i.imgur.com/xnFubGs.png)
Spacebars Kit
Extra 6u, 6.25u, 7u and the basic 40% spacebars, if you have a 40% keyboard you'll most likely need this kit.
(http://i.imgur.com/EPTCWIb.png])
(http://i.imgur.com/XWXvryJ.png)
Hiragana Alphas Kit
I'm going to offer a special alphas only hiragana kit, for the people who appreciate the japanese culture and it's ties with the Cyberpunk genre. I'd like to request feedback about what's your preferred version:
- Gaijin - Latin Legends & Hiragana Sublegends
- Hiragana - Hiragana Monolegends
We will need to decide which kit are we going to use, so please take a minute to vote in this poll right here (https://mitormk.com/2017/06/13/mitos-updates-4/) (there are a couple extra renders on the link as well).
Frequently Asked Questions
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Does [kit] include [keycap]?
All kits include only the keys pictured.
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I have an ISO board, which child deals would cover my board?
You'll just need the base kit, if you have an Euro layout you'll most likely need the Euro Kit as well.
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How do I cover my [keyboard]?
You'll either need:
- Base Kit
- Base Kit + Euro
- Base Kit + ErgoPlanck
- Base Kit + Spacebars
As the novelties are entirely optional.
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Why this kit distribution?
I'm trying to achieve modularity with GMK, by offering the child kits exactly as we do with Signature Plastics - Alphas, Modifiers, TKL Modifiers, Numpad, Tsangan, etc.
However, currently, we only have the full kits as displayed.
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Are the Corsair Strafe and Logitech G710 covered?
No, you'll need to use the stock 6.5U space bar.
Render Gallery
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In the last render you can see the iterations that I went through when conceiving the cyberspace deck terminal design that you see present on the novelties. The goggles are an implementation of the original Case's cyberspace deck terminal design from the Brazilian limited edition version of Neuromancer - art commissioned (http://eoh.com.br/wp-content/uploads/neuromancersss.png) by Josan Gonzalez (http://f1x-2.deviantart.com/gallery/).
In case you're curious to know who Agent 88 is, for that you'll have to wait and sea.
Merchandise & Commissions
I'm working with artisans, enthusiasts, writers, artists and the intended manufacturer in order to deliver the Laser project to the community as a state of the art product. From custom cables and hand made keycaps to keyboard sleeves, a short story novel written by me and custom packaging, all sorts of stuff will be available. If you are interested in contributing with your talents and know-how, please drop me a message (mito.rmk@gmail.com) - I would love to hear your ideas and help you bring your vision to reality.
Acknowledgments
Special thanks to Xihn, Alexey and Nadrient for all the design feedback and contribution, Artur, Steph and Carlos and many many others that in one way or another are contributing and collaborating with me in this project, you know who you are!
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Post by: MiTo on Sun, 23 April 2017, 12:19:42
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I think those row numbers are wrong? Should be 111234 I believe
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Post by: kustom3 on Sun, 23 April 2017, 13:42:28
Really disappointed by the novelty kits so far. It's very subjective but some caps feel really out of place (I've already explained why) and you shouldn't remove the accent caps from the bigger novelty set, it doesn't make sense. I'm also disappointed by the fact that the one thing that I really like on some OG Cherry keysets from the 80s era is the icon mods.
I'm probably going to pass on that set. I might regret it if the contrast between alphas and mods base colors ends up looking better irl than on renders.
Good luck.
Post by: Mansen on Sun, 23 April 2017, 13:46:55
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Post by: poolside on Sun, 23 April 2017, 13:59:09
- Retrowave sunset
- Accented Enter, retrowave sunset and arrows
- Laser beam (because the set is about lasers)
I also fancy the 88 and the DeLorean caps, but I could do without them.
Another novelty idea: pink 3D-mesh with a geometrical shape:
- plane shown in perspective (80s computer software book covers)
- sphere (orange being scanned by the laser beam in the original Tron movie)
- ruby crystal (laser component)
The base set includes 1u R3 Insert and R3 PgUp caps, but they must feel lonely. Is the set lacking the R4 Delete and R4 PgDown?
1.25 CapsLock :thumb:
How about a 1.5 Code/"Laser" cap?
Also, how about replacing all the code legends caps with "Laser"?
Post by: Hexterdude on Sun, 23 April 2017, 14:15:43
Post by: punkpc on Sun, 23 April 2017, 14:16:13
I have a few Ideas for the novelties.
The Atari Logo
(http://i.imgur.com/Rptdnfs.jpg)
Say Anything
(http://i.imgur.com/UpA9EiX.jpg)
And I know its not from the 80's but the entire game was based off of the same art style.
You could use the Blood Dragon chest piece logo.
(http://i.imgur.com/Zbu2cm3.jpg)
Post by: kawaiicheung on Sun, 23 April 2017, 15:05:14
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Post by: pikku-allu on Sun, 23 April 2017, 16:10:43
Post by: mtzgr on Sun, 23 April 2017, 17:26:21
The cyan and the pink are not going to look like that. They are not neon colors, they don't glow. This is not going to look like the renders, I guarantee it.
Yeah I would definitely worry about the contrast. I bought the Uniq0rn modifiers and aside from the Cyan on Purple they did not look good, very fuzzy.
(https://i.redditmedia.com/U8l6KRmKCwu9oHkUlczYUYjmd3ayzBjF4ZLjaU941-4.jpg?w=1024&s=a51dd4ec1904b01ae019d56ee1178e83)
If possible I would definitely request some actual keycaps from GMK before running the set.
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 23 April 2017, 17:31:13
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Post by: autobot on Sun, 23 April 2017, 20:15:43
These seem to fall out of the free spaces, but who knows, might inspire better ideas... as far as ideas for the novelties:
How about 2 keycaps with an NES controller for an R4 (Control, get it? :p ) key?
Maybe a "Back to the Future" styled backspace arrow key?
Novelty "80's" keycap in place of numrow "8" and numpad "8"?
Post by: BlackInk on Sun, 23 April 2017, 20:41:01
Post by: Kev on Sun, 23 April 2017, 20:45:00
It's been mentioned before elsewhere but upside down crosses as novelties would be awesome (maybe for Win/Super Keys!) and tie in with the theme (see attached images).
Also was a fan of the original "Kanye" glasses novelties, don't listen to the haters they fit the theme and looked awesome!
Post by: Goonther on Sun, 23 April 2017, 20:46:12
Post by: ullr on Sun, 23 April 2017, 21:06:16
Please support the actual JIS layout with the Hiragana alphas!
I made a mockup, one for both Hiragana only and Hiragana sub legends. Both support US Ansi and JIS. Thanks for the consideration.
(http://i.imgur.com/3kgz7e3.jpg)
Post by: swangful on Sun, 23 April 2017, 21:14:20
Going to double post here and MassDrop
Please support the actual JIS layout with the Hiragana alphas!
I made a mockup, one for both Hiragana only and Hiragana sub legends. Both support US Ansi and JIS. Thanks for the consideration.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yJkaY6w.jpg)
I need this. I NEED IT.
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Post by: pattulus on Mon, 24 April 2017, 00:09:59
Any chance this can support Colemak / Dvorak like Yuri?
Exactly that.
Post by: ullr on Mon, 24 April 2017, 00:10:43
(http://i.imgur.com/vBRvJpt.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ph1U8AE.png)
Ghost in the Shell
(http://i.imgur.com/3x6y0mE.png)(http://i.imgur.com/lA10UMu.png)
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Post by: pomk on Mon, 24 April 2017, 04:33:22
Also:
A Norde kit with non-standard european characters and accents, this is an all-around kit that should work for most (let me know if not).I'm pretty sure that European characters are standard. Non-standard would refer to some non-existing ones or previously unused ways of drawing them. These could be exiting, but are probably not something people would like to see in place of the standard ones. Maybe a non-standard character novelty kit? :))
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Post by: xeronu on Mon, 24 April 2017, 13:45:20
love the ghost in the shell / laughing man suggested a few posts above. i think a pixelart bomb would go nicely with this theme as well:
(https://cnet4.cbsistatic.com/img/ZA1G1rRP9sMJDqTQ66kqVlUeeNM=/1170x0/2011/12/01/e815d6e1-f0ef-11e2-8c7c-d4ae52e62bcc/Bomb_5x5.jpg)
Post by: wheresgreenleaf on Mon, 24 April 2017, 14:31:03
Digging it.. flux capacitor cap, power glove icon.. can't wait to see the final set
man a power glove icon would be really cool.
Post by: SpinahVieh on Mon, 24 April 2017, 14:40:41
Post by: Data on Mon, 24 April 2017, 14:54:37
Digging it.. flux capacitor cap, power glove icon.. can't wait to see the final set
man a power glove icon would be really cool.
If Power Glove turns out to not be possible for some reason, NES controller should be Plan B.
Post by: skitty on Mon, 24 April 2017, 15:08:28
Also, the arrow keys in Novelty set A are beautiful and I hope those make it.
Post by: SpareWalrus on Mon, 24 April 2017, 15:18:13
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Post by: futurecrime on Mon, 24 April 2017, 18:35:28
Any chance this can support Colemak / Dvorak like Yuri?
Seconded! There's a lot of nice GMK keyset ideas floating around at the moment and Colemak support would really help sway me (although I realise I'm in a tiny subset of a niche hobby here). Regardless, it's looking fresh. Making me want to revisit Neuromancer.
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Post by: digisax on Tue, 25 April 2017, 00:22:43
I'm not sure if it were possible or have enough interest but I'd be all over some Hangul legends on this kit.
Post by: traktor on Tue, 25 April 2017, 13:04:39
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Post by: JustCallMeCrash on Tue, 25 April 2017, 14:22:43
EDIT: Also, adding a vote for Dvorak/Colemak/other alts /EDIT
Love it.
Looks awesome!
It's been mentioned before elsewhere but upside down crosses as novelties would be awesome (maybe for Win/Super Keys!) and tie in with the theme (see attached images).
Also was a fan of the original "Kanye" glasses novelties, don't listen to the haters they fit the theme and looked awesome!
Absolutely YES! The pentagon symbol Carpenter Brut uses some would probably be way too detailed, but would make an AWESOME cap.
(https://i1.sndcdn.com/avatars-000210102032-fu0ohl-t500x500.jpg)
Post by: SpareWalrus on Tue, 25 April 2017, 17:41:36
So are these custom colors or are you using DY and TU2 for the alphas? If the latter I feel like some might be disappointed in the lack of pop.Also interested in knowing this.
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Post by: atomicus on Tue, 25 April 2017, 18:28:30
Post by: pr0ximity on Tue, 25 April 2017, 21:10:51
this looks awesome. i'd love to get HJKL with arrow legends under for some the vim love.
My coworker would pass out with joy for Vim + 1980's retro cyberpunk aesthetics, so I'd have to go in for two sets if that happens.
Post by: Jemaunji on Tue, 25 April 2017, 21:18:15
Post by: Data on Wed, 26 April 2017, 06:39:05
The cyan and the pink are not going to look like that. They are not neon colors, they don't glow. This is not going to look like the renders, I guarantee it.
Yeah I would definitely worry about the contrast. I bought the Uniq0rn modifiers and aside from the Cyan on Purple they did not look good, very fuzzy.Show Image(https://i.redditmedia.com/U8l6KRmKCwu9oHkUlczYUYjmd3ayzBjF4ZLjaU941-4.jpg?w=1024&s=a51dd4ec1904b01ae019d56ee1178e83)
If possible I would definitely request some actual keycaps from GMK before running the set.
The legend contrast in this set is a genuine concern but this is a really deceptive photo. Everything is fuzzy. Did you alter this photo or is it just from a potato?
The mod set you're referencing -- it's GMK right? I'd need to see it in a lightbox with a good camera to draw any conclusions relevant to this set. Otherwise it's not a fair comparison.
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 26 April 2017, 08:05:06
I have the Uniq0rn set as well though my girlfriend has some of the modifiers on her board at work.The legend contrast in this set is a genuine concern but this is a really deceptive photo. Everything is fuzzy. Did you alter this photo or is it just from a potato?The cyan and the pink are not going to look like that. They are not neon colors, they don't glow. This is not going to look like the renders, I guarantee it.Yeah I would definitely worry about the contrast. I bought the Uniq0rn modifiers and aside from the Cyan on Purple they did not look good, very fuzzy.Show Image(https://i.redditmedia.com/U8l6KRmKCwu9oHkUlczYUYjmd3ayzBjF4ZLjaU941-4.jpg?w=1024&s=a51dd4ec1904b01ae019d56ee1178e83)
If possible I would definitely request some actual keycaps from GMK before running the set.
The mod set you're referencing -- it's GMK right? I'd need to see it in a lightbox with a good camera to draw any conclusions relevant to this set. Otherwise it's not a fair comparison.
I can try shooting some pictures to compare.
Also, didn't GMK Skeletor (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83309.0) have a similar color scheme on its modifiers?
Contrast doesn't look too shabby actually:
(http://i.imgur.com/vswyTTO.jpg)
gadzkun
(http://i.imgur.com/imXIcmG.jpg)
audax989
(http://i.imgur.com/iyNDCO3.jpg)
Naasfu
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 26 April 2017, 08:24:31
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 26 April 2017, 08:33:34
Skeletor uses DY and TU2 which is why I was asking about that. While there's nothing wrong with it, it's not really as vibrant as the Laser renders would suggest, and I think the vibrance is what people are drawn to. I'm not sure what's up with Naasfu's pic, looks edited.It probably is. I'll try to dig up my Uniq0rn set and see if I can make a neutral picture.
Post by: Data on Wed, 26 April 2017, 08:43:42
I have the Uniq0rn set as well though my girlfriend has some of the modifiers on her board at work.The legend contrast in this set is a genuine concern but this is a really deceptive photo. Everything is fuzzy. Did you alter this photo or is it just from a potato?The cyan and the pink are not going to look like that. They are not neon colors, they don't glow. This is not going to look like the renders, I guarantee it.Yeah I would definitely worry about the contrast. I bought the Uniq0rn modifiers and aside from the Cyan on Purple they did not look good, very fuzzy.Show Image(https://i.redditmedia.com/U8l6KRmKCwu9oHkUlczYUYjmd3ayzBjF4ZLjaU941-4.jpg?w=1024&s=a51dd4ec1904b01ae019d56ee1178e83)
If possible I would definitely request some actual keycaps from GMK before running the set.
The mod set you're referencing -- it's GMK right? I'd need to see it in a lightbox with a good camera to draw any conclusions relevant to this set. Otherwise it's not a fair comparison.
I can try shooting some pictures to compare.
Also, didn't GMK Skeletor (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83309.0) have a similar color scheme on its modifiers?
Contrast doesn't look too shabby actually:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vswyTTO.jpg)
gadzkunShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/imXIcmG.jpg)
audax989Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iyNDCO3.jpg)
Naasfu
Yeah, I have Skeletor too. If we're only concerned with the cyan on purple (pretty sure we are) then there's no problem with the legend contrast. It pops.
Post by: atomicus on Wed, 26 April 2017, 09:14:54
gadzkunShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/imXIcmG.jpg)
Are those CYAN LED's? Didn't know you could get them. They would be a great match for this set, and that image demonstrates so.
Post by: dbucklin on Wed, 26 April 2017, 10:10:36
Post by: MrSteve920 on Wed, 26 April 2017, 11:38:16
Post by: mtzgr on Wed, 26 April 2017, 11:47:42
I have the Uniq0rn set as well though my girlfriend has some of the modifiers on her board at work.The legend contrast in this set is a genuine concern but this is a really deceptive photo. Everything is fuzzy. Did you alter this photo or is it just from a potato?The cyan and the pink are not going to look like that. They are not neon colors, they don't glow. This is not going to look like the renders, I guarantee it.Yeah I would definitely worry about the contrast. I bought the Uniq0rn modifiers and aside from the Cyan on Purple they did not look good, very fuzzy.Show Image(https://i.redditmedia.com/U8l6KRmKCwu9oHkUlczYUYjmd3ayzBjF4ZLjaU941-4.jpg?w=1024&s=a51dd4ec1904b01ae019d56ee1178e83)
If possible I would definitely request some actual keycaps from GMK before running the set.
The mod set you're referencing -- it's GMK right? I'd need to see it in a lightbox with a good camera to draw any conclusions relevant to this set. Otherwise it's not a fair comparison.
I can try shooting some pictures to compare.
Also, didn't GMK Skeletor (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83309.0) have a similar color scheme on its modifiers?
Contrast doesn't look too shabby actually:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vswyTTO.jpg)
gadzkunShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/imXIcmG.jpg)
audax989Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iyNDCO3.jpg)
Naasfu
Yeah, I have Skeletor too. If we're only concerned with the cyan on purple (pretty sure we are) then there's no problem with the legend contrast. It pops.
Yes Uniq0rn is GMK, and I get that the photo is bad (it's not mine, but it is representative). I'm saying that in person they do not look good, and that contrast may be an issue with this set so get samples. I said in my post that there was nothing wrong with the cyan on purple.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 26 April 2017, 12:01:13
(http://i.imgur.com/JQO0uYC.jpg)
I don't know the codes for colors, so just did it BW.
Got .cdr just in case.
Post by: _rubik on Wed, 26 April 2017, 12:30:25
EDIT: I completely forgot to ask, are we not including any JIS support? or is that covered in the base?
Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Wed, 26 April 2017, 12:38:31
Post by: GroovyGI on Wed, 26 April 2017, 14:41:10
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 26 April 2017, 15:31:31
gadzkunShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/imXIcmG.jpg)
Are those CYAN LED's? Didn't know you could get them. They would be a great match for this set, and that image demonstrates so.
my RGB board is currently set on cyan...
Post by: patersunny on Wed, 26 April 2017, 16:47:12
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Post by: _rubik on Wed, 26 April 2017, 20:56:16
Interested! Any info on the price??
At this point... I don't think I care. Is that wrong?
Post by: _rubik on Thu, 27 April 2017, 01:39:26
Please add 2u R4 shift key for XD60 support!
Does GMK have a 2u shift
Post by: jebbra on Thu, 27 April 2017, 02:08:06
Post by: hoq on Thu, 27 April 2017, 02:52:58
Tried my hand at a few noveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/vBRvJpt.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ph1U8AE.png)
Ghost in the ShellShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/3x6y0mE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lA10UMu.png)
I love those Ghost in the Shell logo “笑い男” and "個別の十一人"， but I don't think they understand what they mean.
Post by: Ouhei on Thu, 27 April 2017, 08:11:21
Post by: merintil on Thu, 27 April 2017, 08:11:40
Tried my hand at a few noveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/vBRvJpt.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ph1U8AE.png)
Ghost in the ShellShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/3x6y0mE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lA10UMu.png)
I love those Ghost in the Shell logo “笑い男” and "個別の十一人"， but I don't think they understand what they mean.
I'm not sure who "they" refers to, but Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex did have a Western audience. In any event, I love these novelties and if they make it through, I'm definitely in.
Post by: testplsignore on Thu, 27 April 2017, 09:41:21
Post by: 458 on Thu, 27 April 2017, 11:13:35
Post by: Mansen on Thu, 27 April 2017, 19:03:49
Post by: digisax on Thu, 27 April 2017, 19:10:34
Scoops? :P
Seconded, I'd be so in for scooped homing keys, especially scooped keys with Hiragana legends.
Post by: ullr on Thu, 27 April 2017, 20:28:48
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Post by: digisax on Thu, 27 April 2017, 20:59:43
Post by: ArchDill on Fri, 28 April 2017, 00:45:54
I think this could be a good one... It is the gun off of Blade Runner
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 28 April 2017, 18:44:09
Post by: Draic on Sat, 29 April 2017, 16:49:11
Post by: dsaf on Sun, 30 April 2017, 06:29:05
Also some novelties could come from Akira (1988 cyberpunk anime) .
Post by: GreyAmbience on Sun, 30 April 2017, 06:51:17
Post by: testplsignore on Sun, 30 April 2017, 09:36:04
Is there any chance for Hyper, Super, Meta keys instead of Control, Code, Alt? I feel like it'd fit the cyberpunk theme really well.
+1
Post by: _PixelNinja on Sun, 30 April 2017, 11:07:07
Post by: Loffeno on Sun, 30 April 2017, 12:00:14
Post by: Draic on Sun, 30 April 2017, 13:57:23
+2Is there any chance for Hyper, Super, Meta keys instead of Control, Code, Alt? I feel like it'd fit the cyberpunk theme really well.
+1
Post by: KnightDX on Sun, 30 April 2017, 14:01:41
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 30 April 2017, 18:11:01
+2Is there any chance for Hyper, Super, Meta keys instead of Control, Code, Alt? I feel like it'd fit the cyberpunk theme really well.
+1
I think it would be super awesome to have these modifiers as well, but these molds do not exist with GMK and I don't think it's worth making this time. If we decide to go with Hyper, Super, Meta keycaps the community will demand regular legend keycaps (Ctrl, Alt, Win, etc) - and then I'll have to offer two different modifier kits. If I manage to offer the kits in a modular manner (instead of a base kit as we have for now) then I think it's doable. For now, I believe the best course of action to take is offer Ctrl, Alt, Win only. I hope you guys understand!
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 30 April 2017, 18:17:09
Any chance you can squeeze a 1u TAB in r2 and a 1u ENTER in r4? Would all that is missing for perfect minivan coverage. There are quite a few keys already in for that so might be nice to fill the niche completely.
Thanks for the suggestions, but I think it's tricky to actually implement this. Not many people would make use of this keycaps and keycap after keycap, the kits gets more expensive for everyone. But let's look at your issue this way - you could use Esc isntead of Tab (for the R2 keycap you're missing) and Code/Hack instead of Enter (for the R4 keycap which is lacking). I'm kinda biased because I use blanks (no keyset I ever found covered ABNT2) but to be honest with you, I think a Mini Van is going to look more coherent and elegant if you use the keycaps I suggested instead of Tab/Enter. What do you think?
Post by: digisax on Sun, 30 April 2017, 18:43:53
+2Is there any chance for Hyper, Super, Meta keys instead of Control, Code, Alt? I feel like it'd fit the cyberpunk theme really well.
+1
I think it would be super awesome to have these modifiers as well, but these molds do not exist with GMK and I don't think it's worth making this time. If we decide to go with Hyper, Super, Meta keycaps the community will demand regular legend keycaps (Ctrl, Alt, Win, etc) - and then I'll have to offer two different modifier kits. If I manage to offer the kits in a modular manner (instead of a base kit as we have for now) then I think it's doable. For now, I believe the best course of action to take is offer Ctrl, Alt, Win only. I hope you guys understand!
The Hyper/Super/Meta keys could be it's own addon set, but I feel like it'd be difficult to get enough orders for it.
The code and hack keys are cool enough if hyper/super/meta can't happen though.
Post by: Ouhei on Sun, 30 April 2017, 19:59:46
Post by: GroovyGI on Sun, 30 April 2017, 22:10:01
Post by: kidgyu on Mon, 01 May 2017, 10:37:42
I must join this keycap!!!!!!
Plz, progressing massdrop!
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:25:38
CHANGELOG:
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> Added magenta ISO to Eurokit;
> Condensed Novelties A and Novelties B into one kit.
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Post by: eddible on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:30:02
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:33:12
Mito, not sure if you saw my post on the first page but the Euro kit is missing a R4 | \ key to complete UK ISO.
I definitely saw it, forgot to give you an update about that. The thing is that this keycap is already included on the Base Kit, however I erroneously labelled it as being a R3 keycap instead of R4. I'll fix the Base Kit render in order to reflect this, does that make sense?
Post by: eddible on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:34:06
Ah I see! That's even better, thanks for clarifying. :)Mito, not sure if you saw my post on the first page but the Euro kit is missing a R4 | \ key to complete UK ISO.
I definitely saw it, forgot to give you an update about that. The thing is that this keycap is already included on the Base Kit, however I erroneously labelled it as being a R3 keycap instead of R4. I'll fix the Base Kit render in order to reflect this, does that make sense?
Post by: digisax on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:38:06
Please vote for your favorite Hiragana kit here (https://mitormk.com/2017/05/01/mitos-updates-2/), and let me know what your thoughts are about the condensed Novelty kit!
CHANGELOG:Quote> Added magenta ISO to Eurokit;
> Condensed Novelties A and Novelties B into one kit.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yusN8f0.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EPTCWIb.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XGDMOLb.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iXApFiZ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3Eb2JuD.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MhgZZeW.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3zeUP4P.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XWXvryJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/V7DrLkl.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/c5nNyYf.png)
The finalized novelties kit is awesome, I love the Ghost in the Shell keys, there's something I like about the cassette key too.
Gaijin looks better than I expected it to and while I'd prefer Hiragana mono-legends I'm still so in for Gaijin.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:55:17
- Lower/Raise to convex instead of normal;
- 2u and 2 x 1u spacebars to convex instead of normal.
The thumb cluster for the ErgoDox can be adjusted as well, so please let me know if there's any interest in that!
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:07:52
Post by: digisax on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:09:47
I feel like Gaijin works best since all the mods are in English, even though I prefer the cleaner look of Hiragana. Don't care much for Hybrid.
Agreed on Hybrid, it just seems like a compromise that doesn't work so well.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:18:51
The finalized novelties kit is awesome, I love the Ghost in the Shell keys, there's something I like about the cassette key too.
Gaijin looks better than I expected it to and while I'd prefer Hiragana mono-legends I'm still so in for Gaijin.
Agreed on all fronts, novelties are fantastic.
My main input here is regarding legends as we've already discussed Mito - I still think straight mono Hiragana looks best, it's EXTREMELY clean and just lovely but the Gaijin option is actually much less cluttered than I thought; in fact, it looks very good and I'll still be buying in if it wins over mono.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:28:40
The finalized novelties kit is awesome, I love the Ghost in the Shell keys, there's something I like about the cassette key too.
Gaijin looks better than I expected it to and while I'd prefer Hiragana mono-legends I'm still so in for Gaijin.
Agreed on all fronts, novelties are fantastic.
My main input here is regarding legends as we've already discussed Mito - I still think straight mono Hiragana looks best, it's EXTREMELY clean and just lovely but the Gaijin option is actually much less cluttered than I thought; in fact, it looks very good and I'll still be buying in if it wins over mono.
Thanks for the feedback mate, I also voted for the Gaijin option - I think it's more balanced and looks better overall. I think the only ones who would use the monolegends to it's full potential would be ErgoPlanck users or people with icon/text modifier GMK sets. Regarding the novelties, a RMK user suggested that we should outline the cassette tape instead of making it a full icon, I think it's a good idea and I'll try to implement it.
I feel like Gaijin works best since all the mods are in English, even though I prefer the cleaner look of Hiragana. Don't care much for Hybrid.
Agreed on Hybrid, it just seems like a compromise that doesn't work so well.
Those are my thoughts as well, by the looks of it Hybrid is a classic example of something that is kinda worth it in your head but terrible when you actually see it.
Any chance of a 96 layout render? I'm imaging it in my head but actual visuals are always nice. Anyways, I say keep the kits simple, no need for a ton of different wording on the modifiers, IMO.
Working on it, stand by!
Post by: digisax on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:29:16
The finalized novelties kit is awesome, I love the Ghost in the Shell keys, there's something I like about the cassette key too.
Gaijin looks better than I expected it to and while I'd prefer Hiragana mono-legends I'm still so in for Gaijin.
Agreed on all fronts, novelties are fantastic.
My main input here is regarding legends as we've already discussed Mito - I still think straight mono Hiragana looks best, it's EXTREMELY clean and just lovely but the Gaijin option is actually much less cluttered than I thought; in fact, it looks very good and I'll still be buying in if it wins over mono.
Exactly how I feel, I would love mono-Hiragan and think it looks awesome and super clean but Gaijin isn't so cluttered that I won't buy it.
Post by: e_l_tang on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:34:30
A guy from the MD talk tab suggested the swap for a couple convex keycaps in the ErgoPlanck kit. He even made a quick mockup to represent the keycaps he'd like to see convex, is anyone else interested in this change? I don't think it's clever to offer both convex and normal, the kit will end up with far too many duplicated wasted keycaps. I'd like to swap:Please do this. In addition, make the 1u keycaps in the ErgoDox thumb clusters and the 2u keycaps in the Spacebars Kit convex as well. After you do this you should even be able to merge some of the keycaps for the ErgoDox and the Planck.
- Lower/Raise to convex instead of normal;
- 2u and 2 x 1u spacebars to convex instead of normal.
The thumb cluster for the ErgoDox can be adjusted as well, so please let me know if there's any interest in that!
Post by: poolside on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:34:46
It feels rich and captures the attention. As clean as it looks, Hiragana feels kinda empty. And I need my latin characters, even if I don't look at them.
Whichever wins, I am getting the JP alphas anyway. :thumb:
Post by: Data on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:37:31
Please vote for your favorite Hiragana kit here (https://mitormk.com/2017/05/01/mitos-updates-2/), and let me know what your thoughts are about the condensed Novelty kit!
CHANGELOG:Quote> Added magenta ISO to Eurokit;
> Condensed Novelties A and Novelties B into one kit.
Hiragana: Gaijin is double-spicy win sauce.
Novelties:
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Nailed it.
Post by: rmendis on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:38:05
Please vote for your favorite Hiragana kit here (https://mitormk.com/2017/05/01/mitos-updates-2/), and let me know what your thoughts are about the condensed Novelty kit!
CHANGELOG:Quote> Added magenta ISO to Eurokit;
> Condensed Novelties A and Novelties B into one kit.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yusN8f0.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EPTCWIb.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XGDMOLb.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iXApFiZ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3Eb2JuD.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MhgZZeW.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3zeUP4P.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XWXvryJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/V7DrLkl.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/c5nNyYf.png)
Dude. This set is getting better with each of your updates. Merged novelties and Gaijin latin/jp legends. Perfection
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:41:56
A guy from the MD talk tab suggested the swap for a couple convex keycaps in the ErgoPlanck kit. He even made a quick mockup to represent the keycaps he'd like to see convex, is anyone else interested in this change? I don't think it's clever to offer both convex and normal, the kit will end up with far too many duplicated wasted keycaps. I'd like to swap:Please do this. In addition, make the 1u keycaps in the ErgoDox thumb clusters and the 2u keycaps in the Spacebars Kit convex as well. After you do this you should even be able to merge some of the keycaps for the ErgoDox and the Planck.
- Lower/Raise to convex instead of normal;
- 2u and 2 x 1u spacebars to convex instead of normal.
The thumb cluster for the ErgoDox can be adjusted as well, so please let me know if there's any interest in that!
Nice, thanks for the input dude I'll sort this out.
Nailed it.
Dude. This set is getting better with each of your updates. Merged novelties and Gaijin latin/jp legends. Perfection
Thanks for the enthusiasm, interest and contribution to the project guys!
Gaijin! Because that's what I am ;D
It feels rich and captures the attention. As clean as it looks, Hiragana feels kinda empty. And I need my latin characters, even if I don't look at them.
Whichever wins, I am getting the JP alphas anyway. :thumb:
Thanks for voting, that's very important so I can figure out what the preference is! And by the looks of it the noisy version seems to be winning by a relevant margin.
Post by: Ouhei on Mon, 01 May 2017, 13:12:35
Working on it, stand by!Awesome! Can't wait to see it. Great work on this set, the updated novelties are great and I like the Gaijin set. Would you be separating out alphas/mods or would we buy a full kit with regular alphas and then an additional kit?
Post by: ullr on Mon, 01 May 2017, 15:26:43
It just seems like a shame to get set after set (DSA Otaku, XDA Milestone, a couple of Dye sub sets, etc.) with Japanese legends on ANSI layouts with no love for anyone who might actually want to type Japanese. You might as well put the hiragana in random locations or use a random assortment of kanji or hentaigana if this is going to be bought by a bunch of English monoglots for the looks.
Post by: digisax on Mon, 01 May 2017, 15:34:13
I’m only concerned that if the “Gaijin” (perhaps better termed Weeaboo?) mockup wins, this will probably turn out to be just another set for people who don’t actually plan on typing Japanese. The “Gaijin” and “Hybrid” kits would require over a dozen extra caps to be useful for typing Japanese, whereas the Hiragana only kit would maximally require four.
It just seems like a shame to get set after set (DSA Otaku, XDA Milestone, a couple of Dye sub sets, etc.) with Japanese legends on ANSI layouts with no love for anyone who might actually want to type Japanese. You might as well put the hiragana in random locations or use a random assortment of kanji or hentaigana if this is going to be bought by a bunch of English monoglots for the looks.
Considering both Gaijin and Mono-Hiragana have the same Hiragana legends in the same place, what would make mini-Hiragana more useful for typing Japanese than Gaijin?
Post by: Ouhei on Mon, 01 May 2017, 15:34:58
I’m only concerned that if the “Gaijin” (perhaps better termed Weeaboo?) mockup wins, this will probably turn out to be just another set for people who don’t actually plan on typing Japanese. The “Gaijin” and “Hybrid” kits would require over a dozen extra caps to be useful for typing Japanese, whereas the Hiragana only kit would maximally require four.I sympathize, but if the vast majority of the target audience isn't going to actually type in Japanese and just wants the hiragana to lend more to the cyberpunk aethetics of the set, then the Gaijin option it probably the better way to go. All I know is if the kit was sold in modifiers + choice of alphas and it was the Gaijin set, I'd buy that because it lends to the theme of the board and still has useful legends for me (or my wife who uses my computer from time to time and may need to hunt for a key since the layout isn't what she's used to. If we have to buy the second alpha kit in addition to the standard I'm not sure I'd go for it since I'm fine with the normal alphas too.
It just seems like a shame to get set after set (DSA Otaku, XDA Milestone, a couple of Dye sub sets, etc.) with Japanese legends on ANSI layouts with no love for anyone who might actually want to type Japanese. You might as well put the hiragana in random locations or use a random assortment of kanji or hentaigana if this is going to be bought by a bunch of English monoglots for the looks.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 01 May 2017, 15:38:47
Post by: forevermadrigal on Mon, 01 May 2017, 15:48:20
Post by: ullr on Mon, 01 May 2017, 15:59:11
I’m only concerned that if the “Gaijin” (perhaps better termed Weeaboo?) mockup wins, this will probably turn out to be just another set for people who don’t actually plan on typing Japanese. The “Gaijin” and “Hybrid” kits would require over a dozen extra caps to be useful for typing Japanese, whereas the Hiragana only kit would maximally require four.
It just seems like a shame to get set after set (DSA Otaku, XDA Milestone, a couple of Dye sub sets, etc.) with Japanese legends on ANSI layouts with no love for anyone who might actually want to type Japanese. You might as well put the hiragana in random locations or use a random assortment of kanji or hentaigana if this is going to be bought by a bunch of English monoglots for the looks.
Considering both Gaijin and Mono-Hiragana have the same Hiragana legends in the same place, what would make mini-Hiragana more useful for typing Japanese than Gaijin?
Japanese keyboards have a different layout of Roman punctuation than US ANSI boards. You could theoretically remap your ANSI keyboard to be only require one key (the Yen/Chōonpu key) on a function layer or placed outside the alpha block, but your legends would be wrong on a dozen or so keys.
I’m only concerned that if the “Gaijin” (perhaps better termed Weeaboo?) mockup wins, this will probably turn out to be just another set for people who don’t actually plan on typing Japanese. The “Gaijin” and “Hybrid” kits would require over a dozen extra caps to be useful for typing Japanese, whereas the Hiragana only kit would maximally require four.I sympathize, but if the vast majority of the target audience isn't going to actually type in Japanese and just wants the hiragana to lend more to the cyberpunk aethetics of the set, then the Gaijin option it probably the better way to go. All I know is if the kit was sold in modifiers + choice of alphas and it was the Gaijin set, I'd buy that because it lends to the theme of the board and still has useful legends for me (or my wife who uses my computer from time to time and may need to hunt for a key since the layout isn't what she's used to. If we have to buy the second alpha kit in addition to the standard I'm not sure I'd go for it since I'm fine with the normal alphas too.
It just seems like a shame to get set after set (DSA Otaku, XDA Milestone, a couple of Dye sub sets, etc.) with Japanese legends on ANSI layouts with no love for anyone who might actually want to type Japanese. You might as well put the hiragana in random locations or use a random assortment of kanji or hentaigana if this is going to be bought by a bunch of English monoglots for the looks.
The Japanese alphas are extras. The cheapest option supporting both would be to offer JIS alphas separate, people buying for the looks can swap A–Z out (just like Cyrillic sets). Having every Kana in the right positions (except those not permitted by the fact that ANSI layouts have three fewer alpha keys than the JIS) layout is really pointless because (as mentioned above) the amalgam of JIS and US ANSI that you see in these sets doesn’t actually exist in software — and because Japanese requires more advanced input methods for typing Kanji, I’m not sure a custom layout is even possible except maybe with a complicated layout in TMK assigning opaque macros to key chords that would cause weird side effects in other software.
^ what he said. I was just having a similar discussion on Slack a couple hours ago actually; how much of a percentage of special alphabet kits bought actually serve their purpose? I wager around 10% which seemed to be the highest guess, with the lowest being 1%. People want the eye candy, not the practicality.
I recognize that it’s quite niche, which is why I feel like it’s a shame that Hiragana only mods appear to be losing. I don’t think four extra keys to flesh out support for the language on the caps is too much to ask for, but I could understand apprehension at the dozen or so required for the ones that are vaguely orientalist US ANSI.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 01 May 2017, 16:04:15
I recognize that it’s quite niche, which is why I feel like it’s a shame that Hiragana only mods appear to be losing. I don’t think four extra keys to flesh out support for the language on the caps is too much to ask for, but I could understand apprehension at the dozen or so required for the ones that are vaguely orientalist US ANSI.
Depends on the size of the keys necessary - GMK is asking for $300 per new doubleshot legend mould for 1u keys; if the additional 1-1.5k necessary is made back in sales then it'd obviously be worth it (or at least do no harm) but if there'd be different sizes than 1u needed it might be a lot more complicated than it already is.
Post by: ullr on Mon, 01 May 2017, 16:10:41
I recognize that it’s quite niche, which is why I feel like it’s a shame that Hiragana only mods appear to be losing. I don’t think four extra keys to flesh out support for the language on the caps is too much to ask for, but I could understand apprehension at the dozen or so required for the ones that are vaguely orientalist US ANSI.
Depends on the size of the keys necessary - GMK is asking for $300 per new doubleshot legend mould for 1u keys; if the additional 1-1.5k necessary is made back in sales then it'd obviously be worth it (or at least do no harm) but if there'd be different sizes than 1u needed it might be a lot more complicated than it already is.
No, realistically, everyone is quite right to doubt that enough people care about JIS support to justify the extra cost. I don’t think the cost of 4–5 caps would make or break the kit for many people but a dozen might. FWIW though, JIS actually only uses 1× keys for the alphas whereas supporting US ANSI with (frankly arbitrary) Japanese sub‐legends may require an extra 1.5× key (the pipe key with ‘Mu’ sub‐legend) if GMK doesn’t already have the mold.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 01 May 2017, 16:30:45
No, realistically, everyone is quite right to doubt that enough people care about JIS support to justify the extra cost. I don’t think the cost of 4–5 caps would make or break the kit for many people but a dozen might. FWIW though, JIS actually only uses 1× keys for the alphas whereas supporting US ANSI with (frankly arbitrary) Japanese sub‐legends may require an extra 1.5× key (the pipe key with ‘Mu’ sub‐legend) if GMK doesn’t already have the mold.
I appreciate the information and I'm sure others do as well - I'm really not aware of what the JIS layouts look like, I've never looked into it and the only one I've studied a little has been the Realforce 91U which was recently on Massdrop and which I also purchased. Realistically the added JIS keys would probably not attract that many people but it'd still be cool and I definitely see why you would mention it in the first place, my only concern is that the kit will already be quite expensive probably so even something as low as like $3-5 for the added support might turn off some of the potential buyers.
Complicated business!
Post by: swangful on Mon, 01 May 2017, 16:42:31
EDIT: Also realistically, how fast can this GB happen?
Post by: ullr on Mon, 01 May 2017, 16:45:45
No, realistically, everyone is quite right to doubt that enough people care about JIS support to justify the extra cost. I don’t think the cost of 4–5 caps would make or break the kit for many people but a dozen might. FWIW though, JIS actually only uses 1× keys for the alphas whereas supporting US ANSI with (frankly arbitrary) Japanese sub‐legends may require an extra 1.5× key (the pipe key with ‘Mu’ sub‐legend) if GMK doesn’t already have the mold.
I appreciate the information and I'm sure others do as well - I'm really not aware of what the JIS layouts look like, I've never looked into it and the only one I've studied a little has been the Realforce 91U which was recently on Massdrop and which I also purchased. Realistically the added JIS keys would probably not attract that many people but it'd still be cool and I definitely see why you would mention it in the first place, my only concern is that the kit will already be quite expensive probably so even something as low as like $3-5 for the added support might turn off some of the potential buyers.
Complicated business!
Unfortunately you’re one of the few people who does own a JIS board. I’m typing on one and I plan on building a 60% with at least the top four rows of the JIS layout (PCB support is also regrettably spotty). Japanese aside, if you get creative with the layout having three extra alpha keys is nice for typing English too!
Here’s my half hearted suggestion for supporting JIS cheaply in the likely event that JP sub‐legends are decided on. ...But I think it’s probably safe to say I’ll be skipping the “Japanese” kit for this set, unfortunately. Though I might buy it just for the resale value ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/35yH849.png)
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 01 May 2017, 16:54:44
No, realistically, everyone is quite right to doubt that enough people care about JIS support to justify the extra cost. I don’t think the cost of 4–5 caps would make or break the kit for many people but a dozen might. FWIW though, JIS actually only uses 1× keys for the alphas whereas supporting US ANSI with (frankly arbitrary) Japanese sub‐legends may require an extra 1.5× key (the pipe key with ‘Mu’ sub‐legend) if GMK doesn’t already have the mold.
I appreciate the information and I'm sure others do as well - I'm really not aware of what the JIS layouts look like, I've never looked into it and the only one I've studied a little has been the Realforce 91U which was recently on Massdrop and which I also purchased. Realistically the added JIS keys would probably not attract that many people but it'd still be cool and I definitely see why you would mention it in the first place, my only concern is that the kit will already be quite expensive probably so even something as low as like $3-5 for the added support might turn off some of the potential buyers.
Complicated business!
Unfortunately you’re one of the few people who does own a JIS board. I’m typing on one and I plan on building a 60% with at least the top four rows of the JIS layout (PCB support is also regrettably spotty). Japanese aside, if you get creative with the layout having three extra alpha keys is nice for typing English too!
Here’s my half hearted suggestion for supporting JIS cheaply in the likely event that JP sub‐legends are decided on. ...But I think it’s probably safe to say I’ll be skipping the “Japanese” kit for this set, unfortunately. Though I might buy it just for the resale value ;DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/35yH849.png)
I am actually very disheartened that this set doesn't support JIS layouts. I would like to suggest an R4 JIS Kit, and would be happy to help design that. Like mentioned above, the extra 5 or so keys really wouldn't break the bank, and should be put into a separate kit for those of us who want it.
... honestly it's just silly to have a hiragana kit, but not actually give it JIS functionality. At this point it's just for people who only want the aesthetic.
Post by: ullr on Mon, 01 May 2017, 17:02:30
No, realistically, everyone is quite right to doubt that enough people care about JIS support to justify the extra cost. I don’t think the cost of 4–5 caps would make or break the kit for many people but a dozen might. FWIW though, JIS actually only uses 1× keys for the alphas whereas supporting US ANSI with (frankly arbitrary) Japanese sub‐legends may require an extra 1.5× key (the pipe key with ‘Mu’ sub‐legend) if GMK doesn’t already have the mold.
I appreciate the information and I'm sure others do as well - I'm really not aware of what the JIS layouts look like, I've never looked into it and the only one I've studied a little has been the Realforce 91U which was recently on Massdrop and which I also purchased. Realistically the added JIS keys would probably not attract that many people but it'd still be cool and I definitely see why you would mention it in the first place, my only concern is that the kit will already be quite expensive probably so even something as low as like $3-5 for the added support might turn off some of the potential buyers.
Complicated business!
Unfortunately you’re one of the few people who does own a JIS board. I’m typing on one and I plan on building a 60% with at least the top four rows of the JIS layout (PCB support is also regrettably spotty). Japanese aside, if you get creative with the layout having three extra alpha keys is nice for typing English too!
Here’s my half hearted suggestion for supporting JIS cheaply in the likely event that JP sub‐legends are decided on. ...But I think it’s probably safe to say I’ll be skipping the “Japanese” kit for this set, unfortunately. Though I might buy it just for the resale value ;DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/35yH849.png)
I am actually very disheartened that this set doesn't support JIS layouts. I would like to suggest an R1 JIS Kit, and would be happy to help design that. Like mentioned above, the extra 5 or so keys really wouldn't break the bank, and should be put into a separate kit for those of us who want it.
... honestly it's just silly to have a hiragana kit, but not actually give it JIS functionality. At this point it's just for people who only want the aesthetic.
My sentiments exactly. The only problem is, it would require five additional keys only if the hiragana‐only legends win. Most Latin punctuation characters are in different positions on the JIS layout coming from US ANSI, so having Latin legends as well would necessitate at least fifteen additional keys to support JIS.
Post by: digisax on Mon, 01 May 2017, 17:03:08
No, realistically, everyone is quite right to doubt that enough people care about JIS support to justify the extra cost. I don’t think the cost of 4–5 caps would make or break the kit for many people but a dozen might. FWIW though, JIS actually only uses 1× keys for the alphas whereas supporting US ANSI with (frankly arbitrary) Japanese sub‐legends may require an extra 1.5× key (the pipe key with ‘Mu’ sub‐legend) if GMK doesn’t already have the mold.
I appreciate the information and I'm sure others do as well - I'm really not aware of what the JIS layouts look like, I've never looked into it and the only one I've studied a little has been the Realforce 91U which was recently on Massdrop and which I also purchased. Realistically the added JIS keys would probably not attract that many people but it'd still be cool and I definitely see why you would mention it in the first place, my only concern is that the kit will already be quite expensive probably so even something as low as like $3-5 for the added support might turn off some of the potential buyers.
Complicated business!
Unfortunately you’re one of the few people who does own a JIS board. I’m typing on one and I plan on building a 60% with at least the top four rows of the JIS layout (PCB support is also regrettably spotty). Japanese aside, if you get creative with the layout having three extra alpha keys is nice for typing English too!
Here’s my half hearted suggestion for supporting JIS cheaply in the likely event that JP sub‐legends are decided on. ...But I think it’s probably safe to say I’ll be skipping the “Japanese” kit for this set, unfortunately. Though I might buy it just for the resale value ;DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/35yH849.png)
I am actually very disheartened that this set doesn't support JIS layouts. I would like to suggest an R4 JIS Kit, and would be happy to help design that. Like mentioned above, the extra 5 or so keys really wouldn't break the bank, and should be put into a separate kit for those of us who want it.
... honestly it's just silly to have a hiragana kit, but not actually give it JIS functionality. At this point it's just for people who only want the aesthetic.
Considering how much GMK charges for new molds, a JIS set would need a decent number of orders to really be worth it. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's unlikely.
The idea of the Hiragana kit was for the aesthetic since it works well with the 80s retrofuture/cyberpunk look, so it does make some sense not to support JIS.
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 01 May 2017, 17:07:20
No, realistically, everyone is quite right to doubt that enough people care about JIS support to justify the extra cost. I don’t think the cost of 4–5 caps would make or break the kit for many people but a dozen might. FWIW though, JIS actually only uses 1× keys for the alphas whereas supporting US ANSI with (frankly arbitrary) Japanese sub‐legends may require an extra 1.5× key (the pipe key with ‘Mu’ sub‐legend) if GMK doesn’t already have the mold.
I appreciate the information and I'm sure others do as well - I'm really not aware of what the JIS layouts look like, I've never looked into it and the only one I've studied a little has been the Realforce 91U which was recently on Massdrop and which I also purchased. Realistically the added JIS keys would probably not attract that many people but it'd still be cool and I definitely see why you would mention it in the first place, my only concern is that the kit will already be quite expensive probably so even something as low as like $3-5 for the added support might turn off some of the potential buyers.
Complicated business!
Unfortunately you’re one of the few people who does own a JIS board. I’m typing on one and I plan on building a 60% with at least the top four rows of the JIS layout (PCB support is also regrettably spotty). Japanese aside, if you get creative with the layout having three extra alpha keys is nice for typing English too!
Here’s my half hearted suggestion for supporting JIS cheaply in the likely event that JP sub‐legends are decided on. ...But I think it’s probably safe to say I’ll be skipping the “Japanese” kit for this set, unfortunately. Though I might buy it just for the resale value ;DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/35yH849.png)
I am actually very disheartened that this set doesn't support JIS layouts. I would like to suggest an R4 JIS Kit, and would be happy to help design that. Like mentioned above, the extra 5 or so keys really wouldn't break the bank, and should be put into a separate kit for those of us who want it.
... honestly it's just silly to have a hiragana kit, but not actually give it JIS functionality. At this point it's just for people who only want the aesthetic.
Considering how much GMK charges for new molds, a JIS set would need a decent number of orders to really be worth it. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's unlikely.
The idea of the Hiragana kit was for the aesthetic since it works well with the 80s retrofuture/cyberpunk look, so it does make some sense not to support JIS.
Ok. I can understand that. If this set doesn't get enough interest in FULL JIS support, I would at least humbly beg for R4 support. R4 on JIS layouts is mostly 1u keys, so those of us who do need to fill that row will need to buy the Planck kit just for the blank caps.
Post by: ullr on Mon, 01 May 2017, 17:19:28
Considering how much GMK charges for new molds, a JIS set would need a decent number of orders to really be worth it. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it's unlikely.
The idea of the Hiragana kit was for the aesthetic since it works well with the 80s retrofuture/cyberpunk look, so it does make some sense not to support JIS.
The weird quasi‐JIS layout (stemming from DSA Otaku originally?) actually has by my count 30 keys in common with the JIS layout so running a group buy for a JIS compatible set will be a lot cheaper if this hits MOQ. A silver lining.
What makes sense from this perspective would be to throw 26 arbitrary CJKV characters on A–Z because there isn’t really a functional difference and it would be cheaper to do so and might look nicer.
Ok. I can understand that. If this set doesn't get enough interest in FULL JIS support, I would at least humbly beg for R4 support. R4 on JIS layouts is mostly 1u keys, so those of us who do need to fill that row will need to buy the Planck kit just for the blank caps.
I didn’t notice your edit before I posted. I was actually only talking about the alphas when I was going on about requisite keys, because:
- Honestly there are very few Cherry MX keyboards that support the JIS bottom row
- MiTo didn’t go with icon mods so there will be English mods anyway
- Key sizes don’t seem to be rigorously standardized (except a 2.5u spacebar which GMK can’t even make) when it comes to the JIS bottom row, and this set has R4 novelties that would work in a pinch if you find something with enough keys
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 01 May 2017, 17:26:50
Ok. I can understand that. If this set doesn't get enough interest in FULL JIS support, I would at least humbly beg for R4 support. R4 on JIS layouts is mostly 1u keys, so those of us who do need to fill that row will need to buy the Planck kit just for the blank caps.
I didn’t notice your edit before I posted. I was actually only talking about the alphas when I was going on about requisite keys, because:
- Honestly there are very few Cherry MX keyboards that support the JIS bottom row
- MiTo didn’t go with icon mods so there will be English mods anyway
- Key sizes don’t seem to be rigorously standardized (except a 2.5u spacebar which GMK can’t even make) when it comes to the JIS bottom row, and this set has R4 novelties that would work in a pinch if you find something with enough keys
Well... The R4 I can mostly let go because there are a few options (blanks or novelties), but yes I do agree that the right hand alphas need some work. Proper bracket placement etc. etc. Either way, I'm happy to see there are people fighting the JIS war. So I'll stop flooding this thread.
tldr; Lets open conversation around JIS support. I understand it won't be perfect (R4 etc.), but the alphas should at least be covered... but that's just my two yen ^-^
Post by: megaforce on Mon, 01 May 2017, 17:31:32
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 18:28:11
Gaijin
(http://i.imgur.com/uaCWerw.png)
Hybrid
(http://i.imgur.com/6Zsjy2Q.png)
Hiragana
(http://i.imgur.com/WykgHF0.png)
Post by: smittysteve on Mon, 01 May 2017, 18:39:23
Originally voiced my opinion on r/mk for the Gaijin set, but Hiragana is just too unique, simple, and clean to pass up. There isn't a pure Hiragana Cherry-profile set around, this would make a hell of an entrance! Double-shot at it as well!
I'm so torn. I voted for the Gaijin too, but holy smokes, the simplicity of the Hiragana is freaking awesome!! Especially in the newest renders- that's the nuts right there.
My question is a totally practical one. I type reasonably well, but still need legends. I know, shameful, eh? ;) But I also don't read Japanese. So for anyone in similar boat who has used Otaku, how hard is it to adjust and functionally use a set with single legends in a language other than the one I understand...??
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 01 May 2017, 18:47:17
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 18:52:26
I tagged the missing keycaps (in case we go with the Gaijin version) with red:
(http://i.imgur.com/Yhwn9eb.png)
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 18:56:32
Again, the simplicity of the mono Hiragana is so stunning and gorgeous. I really wish that'd be the option that makes it. I understand that Gaijin has a bunch of things going for it, mainly the fact that a lot of people (somehow) don't touch type and want the Latin legends and also the whole thing about a little bit more matching synergy between mods and alphas but still, the mono is just too ****ing special man.
I'm still hoping that I'll be able to break the kits in a modular manner (like SA and DSA keycap sets), that would be very nice. Mostly because I'd be able to offer alphas and modifiers separately, which is something that could potentially open doors for secondary modifier kits like icons only or something. If the modular option is provided but the current iteration turns out to be cheaper, I'm going to maintain things as they are though.
Post by: digisax on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:06:47
Again, the simplicity of the mono Hiragana is so stunning and gorgeous. I really wish that'd be the option that makes it. I understand that Gaijin has a bunch of things going for it, mainly the fact that a lot of people (somehow) don't touch type and want the Latin legends and also the whole thing about a little bit more matching synergy between mods and alphas but still, the mono is just too ****ing special man.
I'm still hoping that I'll be able to break the kits in a modular manner (like SA and DSA keycap sets), that would be very nice. Mostly because I'd be able to offer alphas and modifiers separately, which is something that could potentially open doors for secondary modifier kits like icons only or something. If the modular option is provided but the current iteration turns out to be cheaper, I'm going to maintain things as they are though.
So if they aren't modular someone would need to order the base kit of alphas and mods and then the Hiragana kit on top of that? Or would there be a Latin alpha and mod kit and a hiragana alpha and mod kit?
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:07:24
I'm still hoping that I'll be able to break the kits in a modular manner (like SA and DSA keycap sets), that would be very nice. Mostly because I'd be able to offer alphas and modifiers separately, which is something that could potentially open doors for secondary modifier kits like icons only or something. If the modular option is provided but the current iteration turns out to be cheaper, I'm going to maintain things as they are though.
Yea I think icon mods would work very well here - would need to see it to be sure (as you said, some times something you visualise in your head seems amazing but then in reality it doesn't really work like the hybrids) but one thing I know is T0mb3ry worked very hard to achieve the current iteration of his Yuri icon mods; if he'd allow you to use the same icons and respective moulds then not only would it probably be much cheaper (maybe even as cheap as the current latin legend ones) but also very realistic.
I can already envision his icon mods with mono hiragana alphas, that'd be a sight to behold I'm sure, especially given this set's retro-futuristic theme.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:09:57
So if they aren't modular someone would need to order the base kit of alphas and mods and then the Hiragana kit on top of that? Or would there be a Latin alpha and mod kit and a hiragana alpha and mod kit?
As I understand it from GMK Carbon for example and now more recently the upcoming Yuri, you are not pigeon-held into buying in to both - the way it works is; standard kit is released first and if it is met with appropriate success it then enables the "secondary" kits, in Carbon's case novelties/International, in Yuri's case Cyrillic and Icon Mods, in Laser's case Ortho/ergo, Hiragana, etc.
Of course this all depends on GMK, Massdrop, the designer, etc. but I believe that's what Mito means when he mentions modularity.
Post by: digisax on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:13:05
So if they aren't modular someone would need to order the base kit of alphas and mods and then the Hiragana kit on top of that? Or would there be a Latin alpha and mod kit and a hiragana alpha and mod kit?
As I understand it from GMK Carbon for example and now more recently the upcoming Yuri, you are not pigeon-held into buying in to both - the way it works is; standard kit is released first and if it is met with appropriate success it then enables the "secondary" kits, in Carbon's case novelties/International, in Yuri's case Cyrillic and Icon Mods, in Laser's case Ortho/ergo, Hiragana, etc.
Of course this all depends on GMK, Massdrop, the designer, etc. but I believe that's what Mito means when he mentions modularity.
Gotcha, I haven't been in on a GMK group buy before and I'd have been much less interested in Laser if I had to get Latin as well as Hiragana since that would have driven the cost up a fair bit.
Post by: megaforce on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:14:11
Again, the simplicity of the mono Hiragana is so stunning and gorgeous. I really wish that'd be the option that makes it. I understand that Gaijin has a bunch of things going for it, mainly the fact that a lot of people (somehow) don't touch type and want the Latin legends and also the whole thing about a little bit more matching synergy between mods and alphas but still, the mono is just too ****ing special man.
TFW some keyboard enthusiasts aren't touch typist in 2017...
Learn the ways of our Lord and Savoir Mavis Beacon. Acquire mono hiragana legends.
Post by: ullr on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:14:45
Also, regarding the JIS compatibility I think it is worth taking a look at since we are doing a japanese kit. If the number of keycaps is somewhat reasonable I believe I could try to make it work with the manufacturer. I'll be honest with you, the idea is to offer this kit merely for aesthetics and I don't think JIS compatibility will be available. But just for the sake of it, from my understanding, if we go with the Gaijin version we are 9 keycaps short?
I tagged the missing keycaps (in case we go with the Gaijin version) with red:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Yhwn9eb.png)
Hey, thank you for the consideration anyway. You missed a few that are shifted over one, unfortunately.
I highlighted the changes and overlayed what I understand you have planned that is different in what you missed.
EDIT: Granted the smaller variant Kana are left out, as they are in your render.
(http://i.imgur.com/FETe5jt.png)
Yea I think icon mods would work very well here - would need to see it to be sure (as you said, some times something you visualise in your head seems amazing but then in reality it doesn't really work like the hybrids) but one thing I know is T0mb3ry worked very hard to achieve the current iteration of his Yuri icon mods; if he'd allow you to use the same icons and respective moulds then not only would it probably be much cheaper (maybe even as cheap as the current latin legend ones) but also very realistic.
I can already envision his icon mods with mono hiragana alphas, that'd be a sight to behold I'm sure, especially given this set's retro-futuristic theme.
Even just icon mods for all but the bottom row would be lovely, IMO.
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:19:50
My question is a totally practical one. I type reasonably well, but still need legends. I know, shameful, eh? ;) But I also don't read Japanese. So for anyone in similar boat who has used Otaku, how hard is it to adjust and functionally use a set with single legends in a language other than the one I understand...??
As someone using Otaku on my Atreus, I can say it does make it a wee bit more difficult. That being said, the Atreus is a unique layout, and that makes it more difficult also. Personally, Latin legends make sense to me because I work mainly in English, so the dual legend are preferable because it is more functional. That being said, I realize this hobby is form before function.
Post by: MrSteve920 on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:20:27
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:31:47
Hey, thank you for the consideration anyway. You missed a few that are shifted over one, unfortunately.
I highlighted the changes and overlayed what I understand you have planned that is different in what you missed.
EDIT: Granted the smaller variant Kana are left out, as they are in your render.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FETe5jt.png)
Even just icon mods for all but the bottom row would be lovely, IMO.
MiTo, thank you for the consideration! I think those alphas market in red would be best sold in a separate set, and I know there are a few of us willing to pay the premium. I obviously don't want to impose on everyone else's kits, but it 100% should be an optional kit.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:32:08
So if they aren't modular someone would need to order the base kit of alphas and mods and then the Hiragana kit on top of that? Or would there be a Latin alpha and mod kit and a hiragana alpha and mod kit?
As I understand it from GMK Carbon for example and now more recently the upcoming Yuri, you are not pigeon-held into buying in to both - the way it works is; standard kit is released first and if it is met with appropriate success it then enables the "secondary" kits, in Carbon's case novelties/International, in Yuri's case Cyrillic and Icon Mods, in Laser's case Ortho/ergo, Hiragana, etc.
Of course this all depends on GMK, Massdrop, the designer, etc. but I believe that's what Mito means when he mentions modularity.
Gotcha, I haven't been in on a GMK group buy before and I'd have been much less interested in Laser if I had to get Latin as well as Hiragana since that would have driven the cost up a fair bit.
As for now, if somebody wants a hiragana keyboard he would be required to order:
> Base Kit
> Hiragana Kit
As you can see on OP.
But in the event of modularity being available, I could split the current kits into mini kits like:
> Latin Alphas Kit
> Modifiers Kit
> Numpad Kit
> Hiragana Alphas Kit
> etc, etc, etc
In any case, after things are sorted (i.e. as we move closer to the group buy), I'm going to offer the most affordable and achievable distribution method - that you can be sure!
Post by: Data on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:36:40
Dude, **** off. This is a badass 80s glam and cyberpunk set. Stop trying to co-opt it for your Japanese layout. Nobody is going to buy that **** and you'll ruin the kit for everyone. It's ****ing hilarious that we're getting called weaboos for wanting some kickass legends that fit the theme perfectly, because they'd only partially work on a full JIS keyboard. Pro tip: no one cares. Give it a rest.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:37:27
Originally voiced my opinion on r/mk for the Gaijin set, but Hiragana is just too unique, simple, and clean to pass up. There isn't a pure Hiragana Cherry-profile set around, this would make a hell of an entrance! Double-shot at it as well!
I'm so torn. I voted for the Gaijin too, but holy smokes, the simplicity of the Hiragana is freaking awesome!! Especially in the newest renders- that's the nuts right there.
My question is a totally practical one. I type reasonably well, but still need legends. I know, shameful, eh? ;) But I also don't read Japanese. So for anyone in similar boat who has used Otaku, how hard is it to adjust and functionally use a set with single legends in a language other than the one I understand...??
In my perception, I think your brain would adjust to the new legends. Since you don't speak japanese, I think that if we make the hiragana kit you'd be like - this little bird looking glyph stands for &, this tree looking thing stands for W and so on. I believe the icon recognition would take place almost instantly, given that you already have a general understanding and comprehension of positioning of normal latin keycaps. You'd simply substitute the symbols you have with new ones and your brain would adjust. Using blanks is completely different though (I'm a full blanks user). Not entirely sure if I answered you or not but I'd like to read what DSA Otaku and other international/geek keycap sets users have to say about this.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:39:00
As for now, if somebody wants a hiragana keyboard he would be required to order:
> Base Kit
> Hiragana Kit
As you can see on OP.
But in the event of modularity being available, I could split the current kits into mini kits like:
> Latin Alphas Kit
> Modifiers Kit
> Numpad Kit
> Hiragana Alphas Kit
> etc, etc, etc
In any case, after things are sorted (i.e. as we move closer to the group buy), I'm going to offer the most affordable and achievable distribution method - that you can be sure!
Indeed, as I thought then - however, the "restriction" is not the kits themselves being interlocked but the fact that you need the modifiers from the base kit still after getting Hiragana legends, correct? I believe there's a distinction to be made there, if one would want to just buy the Hiragana set being fully aware they'd be left without modifiers they would in theory be able to, right, or would you be required to buy the base set prior to being able to add Hiragana to the Massdrop order?
Sorry if this sounds nit-picky, I'm just genuinely curious and I'm sure others are/will be too. ^-^
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:44:58
but the fact that you need the modifiers from the base kit still after getting Hiragana legends, correct?
Yes, this is the correct interpretation. The way things are organized, unfortunately you'd be "forced" to buy the whole Base Kit in order to acquire the modifiers for the Hiragana kit you just bought.
I believe there's a distinction to be made there, if one would want to just buy the Hiragana set being fully aware they'd be left without modifiers
The distinction will be absolutely clear. Note that the renders I shared aren't renders for the japanese kit that will be offered, but renders of keyboards using the combo of Base Kit + hypothetical Gaijin/Hybrid/Hiragana Kit. After we decide which japanese version we are going to use, I'm gonna render the exact japanese kit that will be available for purchase - does that make sense?
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 01 May 2017, 19:51:41
Post by: ullr on Mon, 01 May 2017, 20:04:32
Wow, are people actually trying to turn this into a full JIS set?
Dude, **** off. This is a badass 80s glam and cyberpunk set. Stop trying to co-opt it for your Japanese layout. Nobody is going to buy that **** and you'll ruin the kit for everyone. It's ****ing hilarious that we're getting called weaboos for wanting some kickass legends that fit the theme perfectly, because they'd only partially work on a full JIS keyboard. Pro tip: no one cares. Give it a rest.
If Hiragana mods won it would be four keys away from JIS compatibility, all I’m realistically asking for since that isn’t going to happen is that an additional kit be considered.
Sorry I don’t like your “kickass” weeaboo legends, if you’re very adamant about keysets not being compatible with standardized keyboard layouts (because extra keys would “ruin it for everyone”) I might recommend DSA Otaku — since the fact that this set will go farther than most Hiragana sub‐legend sets by including the dakuten and handakuten will surely ruin it for you because clearly MiTo is “ruining it for everyone” by bringing it somewhat closer to having every symbol on a actual Japanese keyboard. Since I don’t have some Kanji tattoo picked out of a book or dated T‐Shirts with “kickass” Korean or Japanese gibberish to match them with, I’ll simply elect to not to buy sets that aren’t actually good for typing the languages on them.
I requested JIS compatibility before MiTo had posted anything other than that he was considering a Japanese kit, I’m not “co‐opting” anything. They’re entirely within their rights to decide that the set is better served with a focus on aesthetics, he asked for suggestions regarding the kit. I know I’m not the only person interested in JIS compatibility or I wouldn’t have even mentioned it after it was somewhat cleared up for me that the renders were tentatively exhaustive.
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 01 May 2017, 20:13:10
Wow, are people actually trying to turn this into a full JIS set?
Dude, **** off. This is a badass 80s glam and cyberpunk set. Stop trying to co-opt it for your Japanese layout. Nobody is going to buy that **** and you'll ruin the kit for everyone. It's ****ing hilarious that we're getting called weaboos for wanting some kickass legends that fit the theme perfectly, because they'd only partially work on a full JIS keyboard. Pro tip: no one cares. Give it a rest.
If Hiragana mods won it would be four keys away from JIS compatibility, all I’m realistically asking for since that isn’t going to happen is that an additional kit be considered.
Sorry I don’t like your “kickass” weeaboo legends, if you’re very adamant about keysets not being compatible with standardized keyboard layouts (because extra keys would “ruin it for everyone”) I might recommend DSA Otaku — since the fact that this set will go farther than most Hiragana sub‐legend sets by including the dakuten and handakuten will surely ruin it for you because clearly MiTo is “ruining it for everyone” by bringing it somewhat closer to having every symbol on a actual Japanese keyboard. Since I don’t have some Kanji tattoo picked out of a book or dated T‐Shirts with “kickass” Korean or Japanese gibberish to match them with, I’ll simply elect to not to buy sets that aren’t actually good for typing the languages on them.
I requested JIS compatibility before MiTo had posted anything other than that he was considering a Japanese kit, I’m not “co‐opting” anything. They’re entirely within their rights to decide that the set is better served with a focus on aesthetics, he asked for suggestions regarding the kit. I know I’m not the only person interested in JIS compatibility or I wouldn’t have even mentioned it after it was somewhat cleared up for me that the renders were tentatively exhaustive.
I'm going to try to stop this flaming piss war. I think the JIS alpha kit recommendation stems from a desire for authenticity. The additional kit is 5 - 15 extra keys and hopefully will be separate and optional. We're not trying to hijack the set. It would be sad if this conversation turns into a flame war over cultures.
Post by: odd13 on Mon, 01 May 2017, 20:37:30
I am very excited!!
Base and novelties is what I would be up for purchasing. My first keycap purchase and looking at other prices I see this one will be expensive. So I'm waiting for the right keycaps (this set)...
So yeah, any idea about time fram, months? days...... years? :eek:
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 20:40:27
Like I said, i don't think we gonna have proper JIS support because there are various keycaps missing when compared to what we have right now. If I add this, then I'll have to add Turkish, Brazilian and even Monkeyolean support to the international kit - since "it's just a few keycaps", right?
If the manufacturer wants to source JIS support for us without additional costs, then I don't see any problems but I doubt they will. Let's all have fun and appreciate what we accomplished so far, more exciting things to come!
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 01 May 2017, 22:09:23
Although I'm not fond of the colour theme, the novelties certainly peaked my interest given the GitS keys. Thanks MiTo for designing them and so they can have their moulds with GMK in the first place.
I didn't notice the Major's neural link reference until I read the description, i.e a bit too abstract for me and the "Individual Eleven" key would be best suited for a white-on-black keycap imo but I digress. The real kicker here is if there's a laughing man logo key and I would insta-buy the whole set just to have that 1 key as you can probably see from my username & my avatar.
anyways, I voted for the Gaijin option and hopefully a laughing man keycap magically appears in the novelty kit. cheers!
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 22:41:37
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yusN8f0.png)
Although I'm not fond of the colour theme, the novelties certainly peaked my interest given the GitS keys. Thanks MiTo for designing them and so they can have their moulds with GMK in the first place.
I didn't notice the Major's neural link reference until I read the description, i.e a bit too abstract for me and the "Individual Eleven" key would be best suited for a white-on-black keycap imo but I digress. The real kicker here is if there's a laughing man logo key and I would insta-buy the whole set just to have that 1 key as you can probably see from my username & my avatar.
anyways, I voted for the Gaijin option and hopefully a laughing man keycap magically appears in the novelty kit. cheers!
What a coincidence, you're indeed a fan! Nice username and avatar as well, I think it's meant to be. First of all - thanks for the thoughtful reply, I definitely appreciate the feedback and criticism. I'm happy that you enjoy the novelties and that initially you weren't too interested in the set but things changed after you seen them.
Now, for the neuralink - it's an abstraction of the symbol we previously had and the spot on @callow (over Massdrop Talk Tab) concept. His idea was a bit too complex to implement, despite looking very good, so I decided to go with mine. I think it's cool in it's own nature, perhaps something from a fictional universe we are shaping right now?!
(http://i.imgur.com/ZeQECwP.png)
About 笑い男, I gave it a try. You can see in the image above the Hall of Shame, which is a render of some lame novelties that I wasn't really happy with, after seeing the final result. I designed many others, which aren't included in the render. As for the 笑い男 specifically, I think the design is too thin/small to be properly manufacturable. 個別の十一人 on BoW/WoB would be cool and I'm with you on this one. But then again we would mess with the color coordination we currently have going on for the assembly of novelties. Well, I hope you understand!
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 01 May 2017, 23:17:52
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yusN8f0.png)
Although I'm not fond of the colour theme, the novelties certainly peaked my interest given the GitS keys. Thanks MiTo for designing them and so they can have their moulds with GMK in the first place.
I didn't notice the Major's neural link reference until I read the description, i.e a bit too abstract for me and the "Individual Eleven" key would be best suited for a white-on-black keycap imo but I digress. The real kicker here is if there's a laughing man logo key and I would insta-buy the whole set just to have that 1 key as you can probably see from my username & my avatar.
anyways, I voted for the Gaijin option and hopefully a laughing man keycap magically appears in the novelty kit. cheers!
What a coincidence, you're indeed a fan! Nice username and avatar as well, I think it's meant to be. First of all - thanks for the thoughtful reply, I definitely appreciate the feedback and criticism. I'm happy that you enjoy the novelties and that initially you weren't too interested in the set but things changed after you seen them.
Now, for the neuralink - it's an abstraction of the symbol we previously had and the spot on @callow (over Massdrop Talk Tab) concept. His idea was a bit too complex to implement, despite looking very good, so I decided to go with mine. I think it's cool in it's own nature, perhaps something from a fictional universe we are shaping right now?!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZeQECwP.png)
About 笑い男, I gave it a try. You can see in the image above the Hall of Shame, which is a render of some lame novelties that I wasn't really happy with, after seeing the final result. I designed many others, which aren't included in the render. As for the 笑い男 specifically, I think the design is too thin/small to be properly manufacturable. 個別の十一人 on BoW/WoB would be cool and I'm with you on this one. But then again we would mess with the color coordination we currently have going on for the assembly of novelties. Well, I hope you understand!
Yeah I thank you for your work and I do understand that we're limited with the 1u surface area. I love GitS to death and can go on and on about it but this is not a GitS keyset LOL. I forgot to mention that I love the Tachikoma key, those guys are awesome and deserve a mention and I also find the 88 1.25u really cool, especially in how you intentionally have it resembles old Windows logos. One last thing I will say about the novelties is that I don't feel strongly for the keys already included in GMK Carbon Novelties, they seem out-of-tune to me compare to the other keys that have more interesting designs and backstories.
On to the main set, the original Latin-only alphas and the colours did not jump out to me at all when I first saw it on Massdrop talk months ago. Two things now have covered those points: the Gaijin alphas definitely makes it look fuller to my taste, and the more pink (correct me if I'm wrong but it looks pink to my eyes) there is on this set (accent keys & novelties), the better the whole set looks to me.
Have this thread on watch now while I continue waiting for Canvas XDA to be produced ;D ;D ;D
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 01 May 2017, 23:19:49
Post by: ullr on Mon, 01 May 2017, 23:21:09
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 01 May 2017, 23:31:26
I think it'd be worth asking GMK if it's possible to make that Laughing Man key as I don't see it as "Hall of Shame" worthy at all in terms of design. It's a much more recognizable symbol of GitS than the neural link, which just like thelaughingman I didn't even realize was a GitS key until I read the description. I'd personally be more likely to buy the novelty set if the laughing man key were a part of it.
I think this is the answer you were looking for:
As for the 笑い男 specifically, I think the design is too thin/small to be properly manufacturable. 個別の十一人 on BoW/WoB would be cool and I'm with you on this one. But then again we would mess with the color coordination we currently have going on for the assembly of novelties. Well, I hope you understand!
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 23:41:12
Personally I’m most pleased the origami unicorn could make it, I think it’s the quintessential image of the quintessential piece of Sci‐Fi media ever. I was worried it would be too complex to get a good facsimile of, but it worked out excellently.
It possibly one of my favorite ones, it was a wonderful suggestion! I really enjoy the hoofs and horn as well (especially the corners), the symbol is very recognizable and very cute! Thanks for encouraging me to pursue this design, it was very nice to find a way to make it happen!
I think it'd be worth asking GMK if it's possible to make that Laughing Man key as I don't see it as "Hall of Shame" worthy at all in terms of design. It's a much more recognizable symbol of GitS than the neural link, which just like thelaughingman I didn't even realize was a GitS key until I read the description. I'd personally be more likely to buy the novelty set if the laughing man key were a part of it.
Thanks ak, I appreciate the reply. I combined only the terrible designs in that image, hence why I called hall of shame - I was really disapointed by the colors (TMNT) and design of the other symbols. The Ninja Turtle is a free icon, the other ones took me quite a while to make but I was unhappy. Not everything seems to be a waste though, since apparently you enjoy the 笑い男. Like I told the other guy - perhaps we should replace it for the voltage symbol? I gotta confirm if it's injectable however, the eyes and lines are pretty small.
Yeah I thank you for your work and I do understand that we're limited with the 1u surface area. I love GitS to death and can go on and on about it but this is not a GitS keyset LOL. I forgot to mention that I love the Tachikoma key, those guys are awesome and deserve a mention and I also find the 88 1.25u really cool, especially in how you intentionally have it resembles old Windows logos. One last thing I will say about the novelties is that I don't feel strongly for the keys already included in GMK Carbon Novelties, they seem out-of-tune to me compare to the other keys that have more interesting designs and backstories.
On to the main set, the original Latin-only alphas and the colours did not jump out to me at all when I first saw it on Massdrop talk months ago. Two things now have covered those points: the Gaijin alphas definitely makes it look fuller to my taste, and the more pink (correct me if I'm wrong but it looks pink to my eyes) there is on this set (accent keys & novelties), the better the whole set looks to me.
Have this thread on watch now while I continue waiting for Canvas XDA to be produced ;D ;D ;D
Thanks for the thoughtful reply and feedback about the 1.25u novelties and the Carbon recycling of molds as well. I'm not a huge fan of the high voltage symbol neither, perhaps we could replace it for my version of the 笑い男 logo - which is the one you see in the lame render. The version feature tiny sausage eyes instead of ^^, I made this change hoping that the 2shot machines will accept it but if you guys really want it I'll have to confirm. As for your question, yeah the color is a pink/magenta!
PS: I'll be making a nice Canvas update soon, the legends are super good looking in real life.
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 01 May 2017, 23:43:30
I think it'd be worth asking GMK if it's possible to make that Laughing Man key as I don't see it as "Hall of Shame" worthy at all in terms of design. It's a much more recognizable symbol of GitS than the neural link, which just like thelaughingman I didn't even realize was a GitS key until I read the description. I'd personally be more likely to buy the novelty set if the laughing man key were a part of it.
I think this is the answer you were looking for:
As for the 笑い男 specifically, I think the design is too thin/small to be properly manufacturable. 個別の十一人 on BoW/WoB would be cool and I'm with you on this one. But then again we would mess with the color coordination we currently have going on for the assembly of novelties. Well, I hope you understand!
Well, Mito said that he thinks it's too thin, so I was saying he should ask GMK to verify whether or not that's actually the case. And if it isn't possible, if given a minimum thickness spec by them he could do another design meeting that, then post it here to see what we think.
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 02 May 2017, 00:16:56
Yeah I thank you for your work and I do understand that we're limited with the 1u surface area. I love GitS to death and can go on and on about it but this is not a GitS keyset LOL. I forgot to mention that I love the Tachikoma key, those guys are awesome and deserve a mention and I also find the 88 1.25u really cool, especially in how you intentionally have it resembles old Windows logos. One last thing I will say about the novelties is that I don't feel strongly for the keys already included in GMK Carbon Novelties, they seem out-of-tune to me compare to the other keys that have more interesting designs and backstories.
On to the main set, the original Latin-only alphas and the colours did not jump out to me at all when I first saw it on Massdrop talk months ago. Two things now have covered those points: the Gaijin alphas definitely makes it look fuller to my taste, and the more pink (correct me if I'm wrong but it looks pink to my eyes) there is on this set (accent keys & novelties), the better the whole set looks to me.
Have this thread on watch now while I continue waiting for Canvas XDA to be produced ;D ;D ;D
Thanks for the thoughtful reply and feedback about the 1.25u novelties and the Carbon recycling of molds as well. I'm not a huge fan of the high voltage symbol neither, perhaps we could replace it for my version of the 笑い男 logo - which is the one you see in the lame render. The version feature tiny sausage eyes instead of ^^, I made this change hoping that the 2shot machines will accept it but if you guys really want it I'll have to confirm. As for your question, yeah the color is a pink/magenta!
PS: I'll be making a nice Canvas update soon, the legends are super good looking in real life.
Both sausage eyes and ^^ look great to me though it would be super if you could get a response from GMK on that so there is a clear boundary on what you can do and cannot do. I look forward to updates for both sets :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: ArchDill on Tue, 02 May 2017, 00:56:08
Post by: SBN on Tue, 02 May 2017, 01:12:02
I also think the Carbon Warning Signs are not a must have in the kit and maybe could be replaced with other more relevant to the theme keys. But I understand that there probably is a point where the set gets to expensive with all the new moulds.
I want to make a suggestion anyway. Thinking about Cyberpunk I always associate System Shock 1 & 2. Awesome games!
Shodan is probably too hard to represent on a small key, but I think the logo of the TriOptimum Corporation would be a good fit for the set maybe? :)
(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/shodan/images/1/1a/TRI-OPTIMUM-LOGO.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151109032634)
http://shodan.wikia.com/wiki/TriOptimum (http://shodan.wikia.com/wiki/TriOptimum)
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 02 May 2017, 09:55:26
The cyan and the pink are not going to look like that. They are not neon colors, they don't glow. This is not going to look like the renders, I guarantee it.
Yeah I would definitely worry about the contrast. I bought the Uniq0rn modifiers and aside from the Cyan on Purple they did not look good, very fuzzy.
Post by: xondat on Tue, 02 May 2017, 10:18:38
(http://i.imgur.com/7ePjnsB.png)
Then you can do so by visiting this page (https://m.photofunia.com/categories/all_effects/retro-wave)!
jk
:-[ good luck MiTo.
Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Tue, 02 May 2017, 10:35:21
As for the IC layout, yeah, it's pretty clear he copied the format and then just changed the info but it's not like the Nautilus IC layout is protected by copyright or anything.
Just seems kind of childish to point all this out.
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 02 May 2017, 10:36:56
Post by: Ouhei on Tue, 02 May 2017, 10:38:05
Why should he have to give credit to a free online design tool?lol yeah, who cares? It's a thread format...talk about petty.
As for the IC layout, yeah, it's pretty clear he copied the format and then just changed the info but it's not like the Nautilus IC layout is protected by copyright or anything.
Just seems kind of childish to point all this out.
Post by: futurecrime on Tue, 02 May 2017, 10:45:49
Post by: xondat on Tue, 02 May 2017, 10:47:29
I for one refuse to buy a set unless it has innovative thread formatting in the IC.
Yeah same. The thread formatting was a bit of fun ;)
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 02 May 2017, 11:12:32
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 02 May 2017, 11:33:50
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 02 May 2017, 11:50:38
Post by: thad on Tue, 02 May 2017, 12:11:20
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Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Tue, 02 May 2017, 12:19:08
Back on topic now. If I get the Hiragana alphas I can ensure my wife and kids can't use the computer. That's a win in my book.
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Put Hiragana alphas on and then change the layout to dvorak. Watch from a distance and laugh at the struggle.
Post by: Kev on Tue, 02 May 2017, 12:24:51
Looks awesome!
It's been mentioned before elsewhere but upside down crosses as novelties would be awesome (maybe for Win/Super Keys!) and tie in with the theme (see attached images).
Also was a fan of the original "Kanye" glasses novelties, don't listen to the haters they fit the theme and looked awesome!
No love? :( At least it would be an easy mold!
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 02 May 2017, 12:31:38
To the user Xondat, I'm going to suggest that you go focus on your own work instead of trying derail what others do. You are constantly seen criticizing and making fun of others in such an childish way. I feel sorry for you. One of the most toxic users I ever interacted with and I'm happy that you're not involved in my projects. Do I know you? I don't know you. I don't need to know you and I don't want to. I go out there, interact with this amazing community, design my stuff and leave it at that. You see other people's work and feel insecure or something.
You speak like anyone would care about what you have to say about this banner or format and nobody does. Zambumon was responsible for the rendering of my previous keycap set designs and he's possibly an extension of the left side of my brain. A dude that I love and one of the best friends that I met during my journey. This is the kind of people I care about - Alexey, Carlos and others. People whose names are visible in the Acknowledgments section of OP.
I won't waste my time addressing to further accusations, hate and stupidity as I know I do things the right way. My brain does not process negativity and I will remain focused on the good.
Post by: thad on Tue, 02 May 2017, 12:48:16
(http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/82/61/f5657ea6e8a5225a9c0c692817d5bf5c-micdrop07.gif]http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/82/61/f5657ea6e8a5225a9c0c692817d5bf5c-micdrop07.gif)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/07UlXem.png)
To the user Xondat, I'm going to suggest that you go focus on your own work instead of trying derail what others do. You are constantly seen criticizing and making fun of others in such an childish way. I feel sorry for you. One of the most toxic users I ever interacted with and I'm happy that you're not involved in my projects. Do I know you? I don't know you. I don't need to know you and I don't want to. I go out there, interact with this amazing community, design my stuff and leave it at that. You see other people's work and feel insecure or something.
You speak like anyone would care about what you have to say about this banner or format and nobody does. Zambumon was responsible for the rendering of my previous keycap set designs and he's possibly an extension of the left side of my brain. A dude that I love and one of the best friends that I met during my journey. This is the kind of people I care about - Alexey, Carlos and others. People whose names are visible in the Acknowledgments section of OP.
I won't waste my time addressing to further accusations, hate and stupidity as I know I do things the right way. My brain does not process negativity and I will remain focused on the good.
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 02 May 2017, 12:49:17
I'm going to bump this "older" comment, because I think it's becoming increasingly relevant. I'm curious how the contrasting color will look together considering they are so vibrant. Manufacturer samples would be very telling for anyone on the fence.The cyan and the pink are not going to look like that. They are not neon colors, they don't glow. This is not going to look like the renders, I guarantee it.
Yeah I would definitely worry about the contrast. I bought the Uniq0rn modifiers and aside from the Cyan on Purple they did not look good, very fuzzy.
I apologize for missing this discussion, I read the replies but forgot to elaborate. All of the colors you see on the keycap set were selected together with GMK. We spent about 3 months picking viable tones and trimmed down to the Pantone you can see. The official colors were directly implemented in the renders via engine, as it has the Pantone official library implemented to it - you can trust that the colors you see on the renders have a considerable degree of accuracy. Sampling conversations already took place and I expect to see something physically in a couple weeks. You can be sure that the contrast will be good and that I will use my best judgement to make sure you'll have a well done keycap set (in case you join the GB). Like I previously said, I'm making sure this whole project has a degree of quality - from IC format to packaging, etc. I apologize for not answering sooner, please let me know if what I said makes sense or not.
Looks awesome!
It's been mentioned before elsewhere but upside down crosses as novelties would be awesome (maybe for Win/Super Keys!) and tie in with the theme (see attached images).
Also was a fan of the original "Kanye" glasses novelties, don't listen to the haters they fit the theme and looked awesome!
No love? :( At least it would be an easy mold!
My first contact with the Turbokiller things was via Oblotzky, who sent me a song the other day. I joked that it was "satanpunk" and I'm sort of impressed that other people know their songs! Well, I think the upside down cross doesn't fit the theme very well as it has nothing to do with electronics, nostalgia or dystopia but it's a cool suggestion I guess. Maybe I'm wrong?
Regarding the shades suggestion, some people dislike the slatted shades and it seems that the majority prefer the Ray Ban so I think it's better to keep it. To be honest I enjoy both of the designs but the shades takes the cake because of Miami Vice and that awesome theme music... I freakin love it.
Post by: xondat on Tue, 02 May 2017, 12:59:02
One of the most toxic users I ever interacted with and I'm happy that you're not involved in my projects. Do I know you? I don't know you. I don't need to know you and I don't want to.
Huh? We used to chat on Skype back in 2015 when I first joined the community. I guess we both grew toxic if we look at your post history too. Oh well. No derailment meant, only passing information on.
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 02 May 2017, 13:16:21
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 04 May 2017, 17:15:52
- Verifying the possibility of inclusion of a 2u wide Shift keycap for the XD60 layout;
- Checking if we can manufacture our version of the Laughing Man badge without injection issues:
- Rendering the 96 layout;
- Adjusting the row of the ISO 1u |\ keycap present on the Base Kit;
- Other cool stuff, etc.
We are going to have stickers and illustrations related to the short story, that's for sure. But I had an idea the other day about stickers that I'm excited about and I think you'll enjoy it too. Some JDM vs Laser stuff. Obviously the content of the stickers would be keyboard related, but I'd like to make some automotive crossovers if possible. I'm speaking with users who have interest in this so we can create some prototypes and sketches. If you enjoy the idea, feel free to contribute with some designs as well!
For those who are interested in the Hiragana/Gaijin kit, you can always check the results on the fly - our sample size is expanding everyday and I think the poll has a relevant amount of people participating at this point. So far, the preference has been obvious but it will remain running, so we can keep checking the results and improving the kit!
Post by: e_l_tang on Thu, 04 May 2017, 17:24:12
Moving forward, I'll be providing a list of things that I'm currently working on every once in a while, to keep you guys updated. Here's the first one:
- Verifying the possibility of inclusion of a 2u wide Shift keycap for the XD60 layout;
- Checking if we can manufacture our version of the Laughing Man badge without injection issues:
- Rendering the 96 layout;
- Adjusting the row of the ISO 1u |\ keycap present on the Base Kit;
- Other cool stuff, etc.
We are going to have stickers and illustrations related to the short story, that's for sure. But I had an idea the other day about stickers that I'm excited about and I think you'll enjoy it too. Some JDM vs Laser stuff. Obviously the content of the stickers would be keyboard related, but I'd like to make some automotive crossovers if possible. I'm speaking with users who have interest in this so we can create some prototypes and sketches. If you enjoy the idea, feel free to contribute with some designs as well!
For those who are interested in the Hiragana/Gaijin kit, you can always check the results on the fly - our sample size is expanding everyday and I think the poll has a relevant amount of people participating at this point. So far, the preference has been obvious but it will remain running, so we can keep checking the results and improving the kit!
If you think that the poll has slowed down you should start a new one with only Gaijin and Hiragana as options, like in a runoff election. Given those two choices only it's quite possible that more people prefer Hiragana.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 04 May 2017, 17:49:19
Post by: e_l_tang on Thu, 04 May 2017, 18:32:42
At the risk of sounding like a bit of a broken record/biased here, I think it is fairly likely that people who are unsure of whether or not they'll be purchasing the Japanese alphas kit (no matter the version) are mostly voting for Gaijin as it is the most accessible; "if this version happens then maybe I can buy it" kind of thing - I wonder how sales would look like in actuality, I'd say the more "hardcore" enthusiasts who are for sure buying the JP kits are more likely to sway toward mono than secondaries but maybe I'm just biased as said.At the same time, Hiragana will appeal more to all users of all layouts other than US QWERTY. This cohort includes not only users of alternative layouts, but also users of layouts which are standard in countries other than the US. This represents not a small number of people.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 04 May 2017, 18:42:31
At the same time, Hiragana will appeal more to all users of all layouts other than US QWERTY. This cohort includes not only users of alternative layouts, but also users of layouts which are standard in countries other than the US. This represents not a small number of people.
Absolutely, though I believe most of those people (ie international) will most likely rather be into the NORDE/UK/int kit seeing as those are super rare when it comes to GMK so it potentially wanes the amount of interest the JP kit would get from those enthusiasts.
Post by: odd13 on Thu, 04 May 2017, 18:44:52
Moving forward, I'll be providing a list of things that I'm currently working on every once in a while, to keep you guys updated. Here's the first one:
- Verifying the possibility of inclusion of a 2u wide Shift keycap for the XD60 layout;
- Checking if we can manufacture our version of the Laughing Man badge without injection issues:
- Rendering the 96 layout;
- Adjusting the row of the ISO 1u |\ keycap present on the Base Kit;
- Other cool stuff, etc.
Big +1 for the XD60 support.
It's good to see that the upcoming tasks. Wish we could help somehow?
Post by: swangful on Thu, 04 May 2017, 19:07:58
I used to have a s13, now driving an AP2
Some 240z love with the datsun logo would be cool, colors will be slightly off of course but the text itself is more than enough.
(https://goodlogo.com/images/logos/datsun_logo_3409.gif)
Or maybe some Type R or Type S key lol
Post by: isunktheship on Thu, 04 May 2017, 19:25:13
(https://listcarbrands.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Nissan-Skyline-logo.jpg)
Post by: xondat on Thu, 04 May 2017, 19:29:39
- R3 F Scoop
- R3 J Scoop
- R3 5 Numpad Scoop
- R4 1u Ctrl
- R4 1u Alt
- R4 1u Delete
- R4 1u Pg Dn
- R3 1u Home
- R3 1.75u Stepped Control
- R4 1.25u Menu
Spacebar Kits should have the following keys to cover all known layouts (not including 40%):
- 1u
- 1.25u
1.75u2u2.25u2.75u- 3u
- 3u
- 3.25u
6.25u6.5u6.75u
Hopefully this helps you cover all the boards that a complete keyset should. If you want to know which keyboard requires the missing keys, PM me and we can talk about it!
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 04 May 2017, 19:44:30
As a side note, just for those who are wondering, there are many logistical benefits if we offer Hiragana only. One of them being that at least aesthetically, the Hiragana Kit could replace international and colevrak layouts since the kanas aren't exactly meaningful to what you're actually typing unless you speak Japanese. What I'm trying to say is that it could be a nice ghetto visual replacement for the Euro Kit and Colevrak Kit. It's also a good combination for icon only modifiers since it looks very clean to begin with. Just some things to think about.
80s JDM. I love it. I grew up on cars so the more auto related the better :D
I used to have a s13, now driving an AP2
Some 240z love with the datsun logo would be cool, colors will be slightly off of course but the text itself is more than enough.Show Image(https://goodlogo.com/images/logos/datsun_logo_3409.gif)
Or maybe some Type R or Type S key lol
That's pretty nice dude, I'm slightly biased to Nissans and Mazdas! I think the DATSUN logo can be reassembled with a very cool sticker based on the theme we've got going on.
Big +1 for the XD60 support.
It's good to see that the upcoming tasks. Wish we could help somehow?
I'd appreciate if we could gather some more feedback about the keycaps offered in the Base Kit. Other things that I'd like you guys to voice your opinions about are -
- Convex keycaps on the ErgoPlanck kit
- Interest in scoops vs bar homing keys
- Interest in a Colevrak kit
Any kind of feedback for things we could implement or improve is always appreciated. For example, when I have some time I will be tinkering with stuff like GATISTOTLE LOGIC or maybe LATE NIGHT CLACKS combined with aesthetics designs for the crews slaps. To help you guys visualize what I'm talking about, check these accounts from Instagram and their sticker style. This is a common sticker style for japanese drifting crews and many other subcultures (at least from what I've seen). I believe there's great potential for us to develop things along these lines celebrating the Laser style + keyboard cult.
https://instagram.com/p/BFO2CaNw6eW/
https://instagram.com/p/BFxArLHEsel/
https://instagram.com/p/BGoeM2ow6Xc/
https://instagram.com/p/BGG-Fq4w6et/
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 04 May 2017, 20:08:17
It's also a good combination for icon only modifiers since it looks very clean to begin with. Just some things to think about.
I'd be very happy to see a Hiragana mono + icon mod render, that's going to look incredible. On a related note, did you read my Slack message regarding the icon mods? I figured maybe you could get in contact with T0mb3ry for potentially using his Yuri icon mod moulds since GMK will be getting those done if the kit seems appropriate interest (which I'm fairly certain it will). Could be something that potentially helps both sets!
You appear to be missing the following keys; would be nice to see at least the scoops & Ctrl/Alt added in.
Serious question, do people actually like scoops? They feel weird to me, if anything all keys where fingers rest in homing row should be scooped else it just feels weird - I've not used any sort of homing in years, are they actually useful for anyone that touch types? I taught myself to do that when I was like 10 years old so I don't personally see a point any more, very good typists I've been in contact with (mainly Sean Wrona) advocate "freestyle" typing, not only whilst clacking away but also for where your fingers rest when not; I rest mine on shift awd + kl enter and I type pretty fast, friends of mine who are even faster also have weird homing spots.
Either way this is hardly relevant and I apologise for the slight hijack, just that the past few days I've seen people asking for homing in a few discussions and I figured I'd ask someone who wants them why they're keen on them.
Post by: odd13 on Thu, 04 May 2017, 20:19:54
I'd appreciate if we could gather some more feedback about the keycaps offered in the Base Kit. Other things that I'd like you guys to voice your opinions about are -
- Convex keycaps on the ErgoPlanck kit
- Interest in scoops vs bar homing keys
- Interest in a Colevrak kit
I am very new to all this though I am learning fast. Scoop looks like it would be pleasant? I can't really comment as I have no experience with them.
As for the plank kit, I am unable to purchase a plank as yet... though in the future I will. This means I will miss out on these buys :(. Unless they are a good price? But judging by the efforts and clear quality and skill you have, the price on these sets wont be cheap.
I love that the base kit has all keys required for a 60%, well seems to form here. I have noticed that some buys I get a little lost in trying to piece together what I need if I was to transfer these keys from my current XD60 to a TKL board in the future. I can see that with the base kit I will be able too do that. Thanks!! Less struggle for me.
Post by: xondat on Thu, 04 May 2017, 20:21:41
You appear to be missing the following keys; would be nice to see at least the scoops & Ctrl/Alt added in.
Serious question, do people actually like scoops? They feel weird to me, if anything all keys where fingers rest in homing row should be scooped else it just feels weird - I've not used any sort of homing in years, are they actually useful for anyone that touch types? I taught myself to do that when I was like 10 years old so I don't personally see a point any more, very good typists I've been in contact with (mainly Sean Wrona) advocate "freestyle" typing, not only whilst clacking away but also for where your fingers rest when not; I rest mine on shift awd + kl enter and I type pretty fast, friends of mine who are even faster also have weird homing spots.
Either way this is hardly relevant and I apologise for the slight hijack, just that the past few days I've seen people asking for homing in a few discussions and I figured I'd ask someone who wants them why they're keen on them.
MiTo could probably address this better than me but I'll give it my shot.
Some people do not like the interrupting feeling of the bars. As with all the other caps, scoops offer a 1 face surface. It does take a bit to get used to them, but after a while you can locate the homing row quite easily. I personally think they look better, but I'll always prefer bars for functionality.
That's what I think - again, I'd love to hear MiTo's thoughts as he's designed so many keysets.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 04 May 2017, 20:41:08
I'm all for having them added of course, as said I was just honestly curious as for why people like them.
Post by: e_l_tang on Thu, 04 May 2017, 20:41:28
As for the @Vigrith and @Tang ideas, those are valid points and I noticed how the Hiragana is slightly over 50%, which means the other two options combined are around 49% approval. The idea to create another poll soon with Latin + Subs vs Monolegends would be very beneficial cause as we can clearly see the Hybrid version is the least preferred, and since a person can only (theoretically) vote once, maybe a Hybrid voter could prefer the Hiragana as well in case it wins. I will let the poll keep running for now and then we make another 1v1 poll later, with only Gaijin vs Hiragana.If you can make the changes to the ErgoPlanck kit we discussed earlier I can verify if they are correct. A Colevrak kit would be great.
As a side note, just for those who are wondering, there are many logistical benefits if we offer Hiragana only. One of them being that at least aesthetically, the Hiragana Kit could replace international and colevrak layouts since the kanas aren't exactly meaningful to what you're actually typing unless you speak Japanese. What I'm trying to say is that it could be a nice ghetto visual replacement for the Euro Kit and Colevrak Kit. It's also a good combination for icon only modifiers since it looks very clean to begin with. Just some things to think about.80s JDM. I love it. I grew up on cars so the more auto related the better :D
I used to have a s13, now driving an AP2
Some 240z love with the datsun logo would be cool, colors will be slightly off of course but the text itself is more than enough.Show Image(https://goodlogo.com/images/logos/datsun_logo_3409.gif)
Or maybe some Type R or Type S key lol
That's pretty nice dude, I'm slightly biased to Nissans and Mazdas! I think the DATSUN logo can be reassembled with a very cool sticker based on the theme we've got going on.
Big +1 for the XD60 support.
It's good to see that the upcoming tasks. Wish we could help somehow?
I'd appreciate if we could gather some more feedback about the keycaps offered in the Base Kit. Other things that I'd like you guys to voice your opinions about are -
- Convex keycaps on the ErgoPlanck kit
- Interest in scoops vs bar homing keys
- Interest in a Colevrak kit
Any kind of feedback for things we could implement or improve is always appreciated. For example, when I have some time I will be tinkering with stuff like GATISTOTLE LOGIC or maybe LATE NIGHT CLACKS combined with aesthetics designs for the crews slaps. To help you guys visualize what I'm talking about, check these accounts from Instagram and their sticker style. This is a common sticker style for japanese drifting crews and many other subcultures (at least from what I've seen). I believe there's great potential for us to develop things along these lines celebrating the Laser style + keyboard cult.
https://instagram.com/p/BFO2CaNw6eW/
https://instagram.com/p/BFxArLHEsel/
https://instagram.com/p/BGoeM2ow6Xc/
https://instagram.com/p/BGG-Fq4w6et/
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 04 May 2017, 20:44:41
You appear to be missing the following keys; would be nice to see at least the scoops & Ctrl/Alt added in.
- R3 F Scoop
- R3 J Scoop
- R3 5 Numpad Scoop
- R4 1u Ctrl
- R4 1u Alt
- R4 1u Delete
- R4 1u Pg Dn
- R3 1u Home
- R3 1.75u Stepped Control
- R4 1.25u Menu
Spacebar Kits should have the following keys to cover all known layouts (not including 40%):
- 1u
- 1.25u
1.75u2u2.25u2.75u- 3u
- 3u
- 3.25u
6.25u6.5u6.75u
Hopefully this helps you cover all the boards that a complete keyset should. If you want to know which keyboard requires the missing keys, PM me and we can talk about it!
please do not remove 2u and 2.75u spacebar as they are needed for common VE.A layout
Post by: xondat on Thu, 04 May 2017, 20:45:43
please do not remove 2u and 2.75u spacebar as they are needed for common VE.A layout
Ah my bad, I should've specified that marked out sizes are already in MiTo's kit.
Post by: futurecrime on Thu, 04 May 2017, 21:43:40
As a side note, just for those who are wondering, there are many logistical benefits if we offer Hiragana only. One of them being that at least aesthetically, the Hiragana Kit could replace international and colevrak layouts since the kanas aren't exactly meaningful to what you're actually typing unless you speak Japanese. What I'm trying to say is that it could be a nice ghetto visual replacement for the Euro Kit and Colevrak Kit. It's also a good combination for icon only modifiers since it looks very clean to begin with. Just some things to think about.
I'd appreciate if we could gather some more feedback about the keycaps offered in the Base Kit. Other things that I'd like you guys to voice your opinions about are -
- Convex keycaps on the ErgoPlanck kit
- Interest in scoops vs bar homing keys
- Interest in a Colevrak kit
I was gonna say I'd probably go for Hiragana if there's no Colemak option for the exact reason you've posted. The fact is, I'd buy both if they're available. One extra thing I'd love to see in a Colevrak kit is a backspace key to replace capslock.
Post by: ipreferpie on Thu, 04 May 2017, 21:49:23
As a side note, just for those who are wondering, there are many logistical benefits if we offer Hiragana only. One of them being that at least aesthetically, the Hiragana Kit could replace international and colevrak layouts since the kanas aren't exactly meaningful to what you're actually typing unless you speak Japanese. What I'm trying to say is that it could be a nice ghetto visual replacement for the Euro Kit and Colevrak Kit. It's also a good combination for icon only modifiers since it looks very clean to begin with. Just some things to think about.
I'd appreciate if we could gather some more feedback about the keycaps offered in the Base Kit. Other things that I'd like you guys to voice your opinions about are -
- Convex keycaps on the ErgoPlanck kit
- Interest in scoops vs bar homing keys
- Interest in a Colevrak kit
I was gonna say I'd probably go for Hiragana if there's no Colemak option for the exact reason you've posted. The fact is, I'd buy both if they're available. One extra thing I'd love to see in a Colevrak kit is a backspace key to replace capslock.
I'm down for 2 Colevrak kits plus a Gaijin/Hiragana
Post by: _rubik on Thu, 04 May 2017, 22:35:11
80s JDM. I love it. I grew up on cars so the more auto related the better :D
I used to have a s13, now driving an AP2
Some 240z love with the datsun logo would be cool, colors will be slightly off of course but the text itself is more than enough.Show Image(https://goodlogo.com/images/logos/datsun_logo_3409.gif)
Or maybe some Type R or Type S key lol
That's pretty nice dude, I'm slightly biased to Nissans and Mazdas! I think the DATSUN logo can be reassembled with a very cool sticker based on the theme we've got going on.
Big +1 for the XD60 support.
It's good to see that the upcoming tasks. Wish we could help somehow?
Two separate thoughts:
1) As someone who has an absolute love for JDM Nissans and Datuns, this Datsun 240z novelty/sticker idea gets my 110% approval.
2) BIG +1 for the 2u space. That will come in handy for a few layouts.
Post by: ns90 on Thu, 04 May 2017, 22:46:38
Quote
Serious question, do people actually like scoops? They feel weird to me, if anything all keys where fingers rest in homing row should be scooped else it just feels weird - I've not used any sort of homing in years, are they actually useful for anyone that touch types? I taught myself to do that when I was like 10 years old so I don't personally see a point any more, very good typists I've been in contact with (mainly Sean Wrona) advocate "freestyle" typing, not only whilst clacking away but also for where your fingers rest when not; I rest mine on shift awd + kl enter and I type pretty fast, friends of mine who are even faster also have weird homing spots.
Scoops for life.
Post by: shower_king on Thu, 04 May 2017, 22:53:08
Above is the things i have verified with GMK. You could please check again with GMK.
Post by: digisax on Fri, 05 May 2017, 00:34:49
- Convex keycaps on the ErgoPlanck kit
- Interest in scoops vs bar homing keys
- Interest in a Colevrak kit
I'm in for scoops, but bars wouldn't stop me from getting the set.
If Gaijin wins I'd be in for a Colevrak kit (especially if said kit was available in Gaijin) however if Hiragana wins I'd just get Hiragana.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 05 May 2017, 02:05:51
Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Fri, 05 May 2017, 07:24:07
Post by: SL89 on Fri, 05 May 2017, 08:41:54
Post by: Ouhei on Fri, 05 May 2017, 09:07:48
The 22b STI isn't from the 80's, but it's the most iconic earlier Subaru (early 90's): https://icdn-2.motor1.com/images/mgl/kmgJR/s1/1998-subaru-impreza-22b-sti.jpg
The Subaru logo: http://www.carlogos.org/logo/Subaru-logo-2001-2560x1440.png
STI: http://cartype.com/pics/104/small/sti_logo_1.jpg
I'm still heavily in favor of Gaijin since I use pretty standard layouts (about to build a 96 key which will be my most out there layout) and I don't like blanks and Hiragana only would basically be blanks. I'm no look/touch typing 98% of the time, but I just like having legends there for that other 2% and for when my wife uses my computer. I doubt it but I wonder if both would be popular enough to support both as kit options (assuming we were able to separate alphas from mods in the kits).
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 05 May 2017, 09:19:57
Post by: Ouhei on Fri, 05 May 2017, 09:54:12
Given GMK's price of $300 (last I heard) per 1u key I'd say offering both is highly unlikely to warrant the costs but you never know with these sets nowadays, more and more people get into the buys every day so maybe it's not even as far fetched as one would think - still, 13 grand per kit would most definitely be pushing it too hard in my mind.Yeah, I'm really fine either way, I like the normal latin alphas just fine and depending on how the kits break down I may stick with those. I'm in on this set either way, would just prefer a modifiers kit and then separate alpha options with Gaijin as an option personally.
Post by: dubious on Fri, 05 May 2017, 13:24:41
always used bars, and I think scoops look like warped, melted keys. IMO
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 05 May 2017, 13:49:03
^ i agree with T0mb3ry on this one
scoops are the elegant, sleek option for homing keys
Post by: Data on Fri, 05 May 2017, 14:35:41
Nipples/nubs are divine.
Scoops are merely serviceable.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 05 May 2017, 15:02:22
Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Fri, 05 May 2017, 15:06:17
bars are like training wheels for people learning to touch type
Hey now! Some of us like our training wheels!
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 05 May 2017, 15:11:43
bars are like training wheels for people learning to touch type
Hey now! Some of us like our training wheels!
:)) honestly, i dont know why both aren't typically offered with custom sets these days. i have a preference, but i think this whole argument is just ridiculous rabble that comes up every time
Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Fri, 05 May 2017, 15:22:02
bars are like training wheels for people learning to touch type
Hey now! Some of us like our training wheels!
:)) honestly, i dont know why both aren't typically offered with custom sets these days. i have a preference, but i think this whole argument is just ridiculous rabble that comes up every time
I feel like I see scoops and bars together a lot in GMK sets but maybe I'm just making that up. Could be old habit but I do prefer the bars to scoops in cherry profile but I do really like the DSA scoops and use those on my daily driver.
Post by: xondat on Fri, 05 May 2017, 15:24:46
bars are like training wheels for people learning to touch type
Hey now! Some of us like our training wheels!
:)) honestly, i dont know why both aren't typically offered with custom sets these days. i have a preference, but i think this whole argument is just ridiculous rabble that comes up every time
That's exactly why I posted it :eek:
Shame about the other key suggestions which are going ignored.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 05 May 2017, 15:37:37
bars are like training wheels for people learning to touch type
Hey now! Some of us like our training wheels!
:)) honestly, i dont know why both aren't typically offered with custom sets these days. i have a preference, but i think this whole argument is just ridiculous rabble that comes up every time
That's exactly why I posted it :eek:
Shame about the other key suggestions which are going ignored.
GMK has a R3 numpad 5 scoop? never seen it before, but sounds cool
Post by: Data on Fri, 05 May 2017, 16:24:05
bars are like training wheels for people learning to touch type
Scoops are for people who require a head wand.
(http://i.imgur.com/MsboinH.jpg)
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 05 May 2017, 16:28:47
bars are like training wheels for people learning to touch type
Scoops are for people who require a head wand.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MsboinH.jpg)
the bars interfere with the wand!!
Post by: digisax on Fri, 05 May 2017, 16:53:20
Love the idea for incorporating some of the JDM car culture! I will selfishly throw in a vote for some Suabaru love.
The 22b STI isn't from the 80's, but it's the most iconic earlier Subaru (early 90's): https://icdn-2.motor1.com/images/mgl/kmgJR/s1/1998-subaru-impreza-22b-sti.jpg
The Subaru logo: http://www.carlogos.org/logo/Subaru-logo-2001-2560x1440.png
STI: http://cartype.com/pics/104/small/sti_logo_1.jpg
I'm not sure it'd fit the style of the set, but I do love the 22b.
Post by: dubious on Fri, 05 May 2017, 17:08:46
Love the idea for incorporating some of the JDM car culture! I will selfishly throw in a vote for some Suabaru love.
The 22b STI isn't from the 80's, but it's the most iconic earlier Subaru (early 90's): https://icdn-2.motor1.com/images/mgl/kmgJR/s1/1998-subaru-impreza-22b-sti.jpg
The Subaru logo: http://www.carlogos.org/logo/Subaru-logo-2001-2560x1440.png
STI: http://cartype.com/pics/104/small/sti_logo_1.jpg
I'm not sure it'd fit the style of the set, but I do love the 22b.
I own a 2.5rs, and I love the 22b... but I'm not sure how cars fit the cyberpunk theme :-\ the deloreon was a stretch, IMO
Post by: futurecrime on Fri, 05 May 2017, 17:51:09
Love the idea for incorporating some of the JDM car culture! I will selfishly throw in a vote for some Suabaru love.
The 22b STI isn't from the 80's, but it's the most iconic earlier Subaru (early 90's): https://icdn-2.motor1.com/images/mgl/kmgJR/s1/1998-subaru-impreza-22b-sti.jpg
The Subaru logo: http://www.carlogos.org/logo/Subaru-logo-2001-2560x1440.png
STI: http://cartype.com/pics/104/small/sti_logo_1.jpg
I'm not sure it'd fit the style of the set, but I do love the 22b.
I own a 2.5rs, and I love the 22b... but I'm not sure how cars fit the cyberpunk theme :-\ the deloreon was a stretch, IMO
I was thinking the same thing. Anyway, can't remember if it's been suggested already but how about a Tyrell Corporation logo cap?
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 05 May 2017, 18:37:06
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/0/0c/Weyland_Corporation_Logo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141113110740)
Post by: futurecrime on Fri, 05 May 2017, 19:12:52
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 05 May 2017, 21:32:52
Or Omni Consumer Products
yes!
Post by: _rubik on Fri, 05 May 2017, 21:46:31
Love the idea for incorporating some of the JDM car culture! I will selfishly throw in a vote for some Suabaru love.
The 22b STI isn't from the 80's, but it's the most iconic earlier Subaru (early 90's): https://icdn-2.motor1.com/images/mgl/kmgJR/s1/1998-subaru-impreza-22b-sti.jpg
The Subaru logo: http://www.carlogos.org/logo/Subaru-logo-2001-2560x1440.png
STI: http://cartype.com/pics/104/small/sti_logo_1.jpg
I'm not sure it'd fit the style of the set, but I do love the 22b.
I own a 2.5rs, and I love the 22b... but I'm not sure how cars fit the cyberpunk theme :-\ the deloreon was a stretch, IMO
The one car that I think needs to be more highlighted in this set is the Trueno AE86. It certainly fits with this set!
Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Fri, 05 May 2017, 23:10:01
Given GMK's price of $300 (last I heard) per 1u key I'd say offering both is highly unlikely to warrant the costs but you never know with these sets nowadays, more and more people get into the buys every day so maybe it's not even as far fetched as one would think - still, 13 grand per kit would most definitely be pushing it too hard in my mind.
Wait soo the price for this set could reach up to $300? Oh wow
Post by: digisax on Fri, 05 May 2017, 23:13:25
or Weyland Corp.Show Image(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/0/0c/Weyland_Corporation_Logo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141113110740)
I'd be so in for a Weyland Yutani keycap.
Given GMK's price of $300 (last I heard) per 1u key I'd say offering both is highly unlikely to warrant the costs but you never know with these sets nowadays, more and more people get into the buys every day so maybe it's not even as far fetched as one would think - still, 13 grand per kit would most definitely be pushing it too hard in my mind.
Wait soo the price for this set could reach up to $300? Oh wow
It's possible, but the $300 is how much GMK charges for a new 1u key mold.
Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Fri, 05 May 2017, 23:16:09
Post by: ArchDill on Fri, 05 May 2017, 23:20:50
or Weyland Corp.Show Image(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/0/0c/Weyland_Corporation_Logo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141113110740)
I'd be so in for a Weyland Yutani keycap.Given GMK's price of $300 (last I heard) per 1u key I'd say offering both is highly unlikely to warrant the costs but you never know with these sets nowadays, more and more people get into the buys every day so maybe it's not even as far fetched as one would think - still, 13 grand per kit would most definitely be pushing it too hard in my mind.
Wait soo the price for this set could reach up to $300? Oh wow
It's possible, but the $300 is how much GMK charges for a new 1u key mold.
Ahh I thought is was $50 per mold?
Post by: digisax on Fri, 05 May 2017, 23:22:52
or Weyland Corp.Show Image(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/0/0c/Weyland_Corporation_Logo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141113110740)
I'd be so in for a Weyland Yutani keycap.Given GMK's price of $300 (last I heard) per 1u key I'd say offering both is highly unlikely to warrant the costs but you never know with these sets nowadays, more and more people get into the buys every day so maybe it's not even as far fetched as one would think - still, 13 grand per kit would most definitely be pushing it too hard in my mind.
Wait soo the price for this set could reach up to $300? Oh wow
It's possible, but the $300 is how much GMK charges for a new 1u key mold.
Ahh I thought is was $50 per mold?
It certainly could be but I've always heard $300.
Post by: Ouhei on Sat, 06 May 2017, 06:33:59
Yeah I don't think we really need more in the way of novelties, was just throwing that stuff in for consideration on the sticker stuff he's looking into. Personally, I think there's plenty of novelties now and adding more is just going to make the kit more expensive than it needs to be. There's a point where you're just trying to get too much in there to make everyone happy.Love the idea for incorporating some of the JDM car culture! I will selfishly throw in a vote for some Suabaru love.
The 22b STI isn't from the 80's, but it's the most iconic earlier Subaru (early 90's): https://icdn-2.motor1.com/images/mgl/kmgJR/s1/1998-subaru-impreza-22b-sti.jpg
The Subaru logo: http://www.carlogos.org/logo/Subaru-logo-2001-2560x1440.png
STI: http://cartype.com/pics/104/small/sti_logo_1.jpg
I'm not sure it'd fit the style of the set, but I do love the 22b.
I own a 2.5rs, and I love the 22b... but I'm not sure how cars fit the cyberpunk theme :-\ the deloreon was a stretch, IMO
The one car that I think needs to be more highlighted in this set is the Trueno AE86. It certainly fits with this set!
Still eagerly waiting for this set and glad we can discuss it again!
Post by: atomicus on Sat, 06 May 2017, 06:43:05
Yeah I don't think we really need more in the way of novelties, was just throwing that stuff in for consideration on the sticker stuff he's looking into. Personally, I think there's plenty of novelties now and adding more is just going to make the kit more expensive than it needs to be. There's a point where you're just trying to get too much in there to make everyone happy.
Still eagerly waiting for this set and glad we can discuss it again!
I don't think we need MORE, but I think decisions need to be made and in my view there are some odd ones on the original list/render Mito put up (bowl and chopsticks for instance, and Eleven's forearm tattoo, while I love the show, doesn't really make sense to me), and there are some far more apt suggestions that fit with an 80's themed set. The Omnicorp logo is a MUST in my view.
Post by: mBass on Sat, 06 May 2017, 06:48:06
Post by: atomicus on Sat, 06 May 2017, 06:52:44
How is a bowl & chopstics less fitting than something from robocop. The only cop that belongs in this set is Triceracop... or maybe Time Cop.
Well I would argue Robocop was far more of a cultural icon than a generic bowl & chopsticks. Triceracop is a modern invention, and if this set (as it should IMO) hearkens to 80's culture then anything which is just 'new' 80's style/theme but not actually from that era doesn't really belong, as it simply muddies the waters. That's not to say these suggestions don't look good, I just think this set needs to decide what it is.
Post by: mBass on Sat, 06 May 2017, 07:03:52
How is a bowl & chopstics less fitting than something from robocop. The only cop that belongs in this set is Triceracop... or maybe Time Cop.
Well I would argue Robocop was far more of a cultural icon than a generic bowl & chopsticks. Triceracop is a modern invention, and if this set (as it should IMO) hearkens to 80's culture then anything which is just 'new' 80's style/theme but not actually from that era doesn't really belong, as it simply muddies the waters. That's not to say these suggestions don't look good, I just think this set needs to decide what it is.
While I do love robocop, there's nothing very "cyberpunk" about it. The bowl and chopsticks, on the other hand, is arguably the most thematically appropriate icon in the whole set. Not only does it hit the Japanese note for obvious reasons, it's also a Blade Runner reference. If this were simply an 80s set, an OCP logo would be a no brainer. I agree regarding triceracop though, which is why I'm also of the same mind when it comes to the Stranger Things reference. They both take a bit away from the authenticity.
Post by: atomicus on Sat, 06 May 2017, 07:08:23
How is a bowl & chopstics less fitting than something from robocop. The only cop that belongs in this set is Triceracop... or maybe Time Cop.
Well I would argue Robocop was far more of a cultural icon than a generic bowl & chopsticks. Triceracop is a modern invention, and if this set (as it should IMO) hearkens to 80's culture then anything which is just 'new' 80's style/theme but not actually from that era doesn't really belong, as it simply muddies the waters. That's not to say these suggestions don't look good, I just think this set needs to decide what it is.
While I do love robocop, there's nothing very "cyberpunk" about it. The bowl and chopsticks, on the other hand, is arguably the most thematically appropriate icon in the whole set. Not only does it hit the Japanese note for obvious reasons, it's also a Blade Runner reference. If this were simply an 80s set, an OCP logo would be a no brainer. I agree regarding triceracop though, which is why I'm also of the same mind when it comes to the Stranger Things reference. They both take a bit away from the authenticity.
That is valid on the chopsticks, I hadn't thought of that. Robocop is quintessential 80's though, and I'd argue it has MANY cyberpunk elements.
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 06 May 2017, 07:11:22
or Weyland Corp.Show Image(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/0/0c/Weyland_Corporation_Logo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141113110740)
I'd be so in for a Weyland Yutani keycap.Given GMK's price of $300 (last I heard) per 1u key I'd say offering both is highly unlikely to warrant the costs but you never know with these sets nowadays, more and more people get into the buys every day so maybe it's not even as far fetched as one would think - still, 13 grand per kit would most definitely be pushing it too hard in my mind.
Wait soo the price for this set could reach up to $300? Oh wow
It's possible, but the $300 is how much GMK charges for a new 1u key mold.
Ahh I thought is was $50 per mold?
Signature Plastic charges 50$ per new legend mold, plus these can be reused on any keysize. GMK charges 500$ per new legend mold, and this mold will only work on one key size, so if you want the same new legend on 1u, 1.25u and 1.5u, you'll have to pay 3x500$. The costs for these new molds translate into the GB pricing for the kits, hence GMK novelty packs such as the one for GMK Carbon are rather high considering the amount of keys in them.
Post by: mBass on Sat, 06 May 2017, 07:18:19
How is a bowl & chopstics less fitting than something from robocop. The only cop that belongs in this set is Triceracop... or maybe Time Cop.
Well I would argue Robocop was far more of a cultural icon than a generic bowl & chopsticks. Triceracop is a modern invention, and if this set (as it should IMO) hearkens to 80's culture then anything which is just 'new' 80's style/theme but not actually from that era doesn't really belong, as it simply muddies the waters. That's not to say these suggestions don't look good, I just think this set needs to decide what it is.
While I do love robocop, there's nothing very "cyberpunk" about it. The bowl and chopsticks, on the other hand, is arguably the most thematically appropriate icon in the whole set. Not only does it hit the Japanese note for obvious reasons, it's also a Blade Runner reference. If this were simply an 80s set, an OCP logo would be a no brainer. I agree regarding triceracop though, which is why I'm also of the same mind when it comes to the Stranger Things reference. They both take a bit away from the authenticity.
That is valid on the chopsticks, I hadn't thought of that. Robocop is quintessential 80's though, and I'd argue it has MANY cyberpunk elements.
Well I'll concede that it's more cyberpunk than a couple of the others. I don't want to come across as being overly critical of Mito's picks though. Overall I think he's done an outstanding job.
Post by: Rayndalf on Sat, 06 May 2017, 07:28:55
The flesh melting magenta evoke 80's cheese :D (80's revival works are about as understated as these colors) more than any serious Cyberpunk work. Robocop has grit in its cheese with at least a touch of Cyberpunk, so I think its a better fit for bold colors than the more understated/atmospheric Bladerunner does(but the unicorn cap is sick)
You could make a novelty pack devoted only to fictional 'corp' logos, but you probably shouldn't...
Post by: mBass on Sat, 06 May 2017, 07:43:24
Post by: futurecrime on Sat, 06 May 2017, 08:07:35
Post by: mBass on Sat, 06 May 2017, 08:15:04
Post by: futurecrime on Sat, 06 May 2017, 12:19:25
Post by: mBass on Sat, 06 May 2017, 12:26:10
Kaneda jacket pill!
No joke, I was in the middle of typing that same suggestion earlier when I got sidetracked doing something else. :thumb:
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 06 May 2017, 13:46:53
I was thinking the same thing. Anyway, can't remember if it's been suggested already but how about a Tyrell Corporation logo cap?
AFAIK, it wasn't present in the movie, so it's just some fan stuff. The snapshot of the owl itself from the movie would be hard to reproduce IMO.
Same thing with Maas, Hosaka and T-A: there're no "official" logos for this iconic corporations.
Post by: futurecrime on Sat, 06 May 2017, 14:12:45
I was thinking the same thing. Anyway, can't remember if it's been suggested already but how about a Tyrell Corporation logo cap?
AFAIK, it wasn't present in the movie, so it's just some fan stuff. The snapshot of the owl itself from the movie would be hard to reproduce IMO.
Same thing with Maas, Hosaka and T-A: there're no "official" logos for this iconic corporations.
Yeah I wasn't sure either, but it turns out it's legit. Check it out: http://propsummit.com/viewtopic.php?t=774
Post by: futurecrime on Sat, 06 May 2017, 14:13:54
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 06 May 2017, 15:39:40
I was thinking the same thing. Anyway, can't remember if it's been suggested already but how about a Tyrell Corporation logo cap?
AFAIK, it wasn't present in the movie, so it's just some fan stuff. The snapshot of the owl itself from the movie would be hard to reproduce IMO.
Same thing with Maas, Hosaka and T-A: there're no "official" logos for this iconic corporations.
Yeah I wasn't sure either, but it turns out it's legit. Check it out: http://propsummit.com/viewtopic.php?t=774
Didn't pay attention enough, my bad.
The words in this scene "the light that burns twice as bright burns half as long and you have burn so very very brightly, Roy" just stun me.
Well, I guess since it is legit, I'll draw it just in case. It's certainly looks easier than unicorn that made it.
Post by: Perfex on Sat, 06 May 2017, 21:31:57
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 06 May 2017, 21:57:00
I think the film Dune is missing a novelty opportunity, but what?Well, that's a controversial thing here with Dune.
The movie is totally 80s, but the whole described Dune universe is absolutely opposite to any cyberpunk: the main event that defined Dune universe was Butlerian Jihad after all and little is know about computer-assisted life before it.
Post by: Perfex on Sat, 06 May 2017, 22:21:51
I think the film Dune is missing a novelty opportunity, but what?Well, that's a controversial thing here with Dune.
The movie is totally 80s, but the whole described Dune universe is absolutely opposite to any cyberpunk: the main event that defined Dune universe was Butlerian Jihad after all and little is know about computer-assisted life before it.
Ahh you have a point, but that colorway!
Most likely far too late for new ideas for novelties anyway, Dune just popped in my head when I glanced at the renders again.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/s/xfxu02rvt8cx3ks/dune2.jpg?dl=0)
Post by: Data on Sat, 06 May 2017, 23:50:24
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 07 May 2017, 21:56:16
I also left you guys sort of clueless when I mentioned JDM slaps, apparently you didn't understand the concept so you can see some mockups of what I'm talking about below. The idea isn't to celebrate cars or the JMD culture, these things obviously have nothing to do with the keycap set. What I want to do is simply borrow the JDM slap concept so we can have community made outrun/cyberpunk slaps in the same style (rectangular shape, a short funny phrase or words with symbols and colors). I encourage everyone to tinker with ideas and share possible designs in this thread, so we can select nice ones and get them made. I also made some vaporwave ones (GATISTOTLE LOGIC) but my PC crashed and I lost the designs. I will try to repeat that later if there's any interest. For now, you can see the cyberpunk/outrun ones that I came up with and the renders I previously mentioned as well:
(http://i.imgur.com/L3si6mU.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/fm9JxpY.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/rCdlwpm.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/h3zyBiP.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/0QBlsgi.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/M2GIMnM.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Lh9uaxB.png)
Post by: odd13 on Sun, 07 May 2017, 22:24:30
BASE+NOVELTIES
Post by: GeneralArrow on Sun, 07 May 2017, 23:45:58
Post by: digisax on Mon, 08 May 2017, 01:13:51
I also left you guys sort of clueless when I mentioned JDM slaps, apparently you didn't understand the concept so you can see some mockups of what I'm talking about below. The idea isn't to celebrate cars or the JMD culture, these things obviously have nothing to do with the keycap set. What I want to do is simply borrow the JDM slap concept so we can have community made outrun/cyberpunk slaps in the same style (rectangular shape, a short funny phrase or words with symbols and colors). I encourage everyone to tinker with ideas and share possible designs in this thread, so we can select nice ones and get them made. I also made some vaporwave ones (GATISTOTLE LOGIC) but my PC crashed and I lost the designs. I will try to repeat that later if there's any interest. For now, you can see the cyberpunk/outrun ones that I came up with and the renders I previously mentioned as well:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/L3si6mU.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fm9JxpY.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rCdlwpm.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h3zyBiP.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0QBlsgi.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/M2GIMnM.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Lh9uaxB.png)
Everytime there's an update on this set I get more excited, those slaps are awesome and I'm glad to see scooped keys. The set looks awesome on a 96 key in the renders, perfect for my B.Mini Ex.
Any word on when it'll go live?
Post by: ArchDill on Mon, 08 May 2017, 01:56:14
https://i.imgur.com/OEchxTI.
Post by: TheMissingPiece on Mon, 08 May 2017, 01:59:55
I also made some vaporwave ones (GATISTOTLE LOGIC) but my PC crashed and I lost the designs. I will try to repeat that later if there's any interest.
Yes! Of course! Always down for more VAPORWAVE!
Post by: testplsignore on Mon, 08 May 2017, 05:50:37
:p
Post by: futurecrime on Mon, 08 May 2017, 06:10:37
Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Mon, 08 May 2017, 07:10:15
I also made some vaporwave ones (GATISTOTLE LOGIC) but my PC crashed and I lost the designs. I will try to repeat that later if there's any interest.
Yes! Of course! Always down for more VAPORWAVE!
Oh hell yeah, I'm down for some vaporwave novelties!!!
Post by: Ouhei on Mon, 08 May 2017, 07:13:08
While I'm waiting on a couple e-mails to be answered, I'll be working on a replacement so we can have the Akira pill for the Novelties (will most likely swap for the skull). I managed to render the 96 layout as requested and updated the Base Kit which now includes bars and scoop F,J and 5 keycaps. For those who asked, I'm personally a fan of bars and this is why they were included to begin with. But I see that some people prefer the scoops so I think it's reasonable to include them. We won't have non-referenced keycaps though, I think that would be a waste. People seem to either use bars or scoops, so six wasted keycaps make no sense. I also fixed the ISO 1u |\ which was supposed to be R4 since day one (rendering mistake from my part).
I also left you guys sort of clueless when I mentioned JDM slaps, apparently you didn't understand the concept so you can see some mockups of what I'm talking about below. The idea isn't to celebrate cars or the JMD culture, these things obviously have nothing to do with the keycap set. What I want to do is simply borrow the JDM slap concept so we can have community made outrun/cyberpunk slaps in the same style (rectangular shape, a short funny phrase or words with symbols and colors). I encourage everyone to tinker with ideas and share possible designs in this thread, so we can select nice ones and get them made. I also made some vaporwave ones (GATISTOTLE LOGIC) but my PC crashed and I lost the designs. I will try to repeat that later if there's any interest. For now, you can see the cyberpunk/outrun ones that I came up with and the renders I previously mentioned as well:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/L3si6mU.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fm9JxpY.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rCdlwpm.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h3zyBiP.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0QBlsgi.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/M2GIMnM.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Lh9uaxB.png)
Ah, the sticker stuff makes way more sense now, I love the idea and I'll try to find some time to mess with some ideas!
It looks so good in the 96 layout! The different colors for the mods vs. alphas is great on that layout because it's different enough to break up the sections visually but subtle enough that the mass of keys doesn't look too contrasty.
Also, I saw Guardians 2 this weekend (It was great, go see it!) and the theater had a poster for it that felt very much in the theme of this set: http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/guardians-of-the-galaxy-2-imax-poster.jpg Obviously don't imagine we' incorporate anything from it here, just wanted to share.
Post by: anantonton on Mon, 08 May 2017, 08:19:13
Also, I saw Guardians 2 this weekend (It was great, go see it!) and the theater had a poster for it that felt very much in the theme of this set: http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/guardians-of-the-galaxy-2-imax-poster.jpg Obviously don't imagine we' incorporate anything from it here, just wanted to share.
I too has just back from watching Guardians of The Galaxy 2 and it felt like childhood revisited (I was born in the 80s). I had several walkmans and I grew up facing limitations of analog (cassettes and VHS/Betamax), thought Pac Man was already very cool, MegaMan anybody? Galaga? Tetris? Arkanoid? Oh man it really got me into that mood.
Back to keycaps, just trying to throw idea here, how about an Arcade machine? Just an idea...
Post by: Data on Mon, 08 May 2017, 08:21:46
While I'm waiting on a couple e-mails to be answered, I'll be working on a replacement so we can have the Akira pill for the Novelties (will most likely swap for the skull). I managed to render the 96 layout as requested and updated the Base Kit which now includes bars and scoop F,J and 5 keycaps. For those who asked, I'm personally a fan of bars and this is why they were included to begin with. But I see that some people prefer the scoops so I think it's reasonable to include them. We won't have non-referenced keycaps though, I think that would be a waste. People seem to either use bars or scoops, so six wasted keycaps make no sense. I also fixed the ISO 1u |\ which was supposed to be R4 since day one (rendering mistake from my part).
I also left you guys sort of clueless when I mentioned JDM slaps, apparently you didn't understand the concept so you can see some mockups of what I'm talking about below. The idea isn't to celebrate cars or the JMD culture, these things obviously have nothing to do with the keycap set. What I want to do is simply borrow the JDM slap concept so we can have community made outrun/cyberpunk slaps in the same style (rectangular shape, a short funny phrase or words with symbols and colors). I encourage everyone to tinker with ideas and share possible designs in this thread, so we can select nice ones and get them made. I also made some vaporwave ones (GATISTOTLE LOGIC) but my PC crashed and I lost the designs. I will try to repeat that later if there's any interest. For now, you can see the cyberpunk/outrun ones that I came up with and the renders I previously mentioned as well:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/L3si6mU.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fm9JxpY.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rCdlwpm.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h3zyBiP.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0QBlsgi.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/M2GIMnM.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Lh9uaxB.png)
Ah, the sticker stuff makes way more sense now, I love the idea and I'll try to find some time to mess with some ideas!
It looks so good in the 96 layout! The different colors for the mods vs. alphas is great on that layout because it's different enough to break up the sections visually but subtle enough that the mass of keys doesn't look too contrasty.
Also, I saw Guardians 2 this weekend (It was great, go see it!) and the theater had a poster for it that felt very much in the theme of this set: http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/guardians-of-the-galaxy-2-imax-poster.jpg Obviously don't imagine we' incorporate anything from it here, just wanted to share.
The end credits roll especially was the most 80s thing I've seen all year.
Post by: elfick on Mon, 08 May 2017, 10:52:48
I'm a touch typist but as much as I try, I can't seem to home on scoops.
Post by: Theodoooore on Mon, 08 May 2017, 11:25:22
Any word on an ETA?
Post by: mr scooty on Mon, 08 May 2017, 11:30:49
Bars please!
I'm a touch typist but as much as I try, I can't seem to home on scoops.
He's including both
Post by: colbs on Mon, 08 May 2017, 11:31:51
I'm excited about this set but I'm getting worried that I won't be able to scrape the cash together in time.
Any word on an ETA?
On the massdrop page, MiTo said sometime around Q2. However, Q2 is already full of GBs as far as I know, as GMK Yuri is confirmed for this month, and GMK Nautilus is confirmed for June. I doubt massdrop would do more than 1 GMK set a month, so July would be the earliest I would expect to see this. But, it could be even later, as there have been rumblings of other sets like SNES in the pipeline.
Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Mon, 08 May 2017, 12:01:22
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 08 May 2017, 12:38:34
On the massdrop page, MiTo said sometime around Q2. However, Q2 is already full of GBs as far as I know, as GMK Yuri is confirmed for this month, and GMK Nautilus is confirmed for June. I doubt massdrop would do more than 1 GMK set a month, so July would be the earliest I would expect to see this. But, it could be even later, as there have been rumblings of other sets like SNES in the pipeline.
WHO is rumbling about SNES? that project has been on life support for a year and a half. i hope it does happen, but intelli has not been active on this site since march... if there is movement somewhere else, i would love to get in on it
Post by: colbs on Mon, 08 May 2017, 12:48:09
On the massdrop page, MiTo said sometime around Q2. However, Q2 is already full of GBs as far as I know, as GMK Yuri is confirmed for this month, and GMK Nautilus is confirmed for June. I doubt massdrop would do more than 1 GMK set a month, so July would be the earliest I would expect to see this. But, it could be even later, as there have been rumblings of other sets like SNES in the pipeline.
WHO is rumbling about SNES? that project has been on life support for a year and a half. i hope it does happen, but intelli has not been active on this site since march... if there is movement somewhere else, i would love to get in on it
admittedly, I have not been following SNES too closely. People were talking about it dropping this year in the GMK Yuri IC. That being said, it was all 3rd party sources, and not directly from intelli. Sorry for any confusion, I haven't been paying much attention to that set and just assumed the other folks who were more invested in it were correct in stating it would be coming soonish.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 08 May 2017, 13:03:42
On the massdrop page, MiTo said sometime around Q2. However, Q2 is already full of GBs as far as I know, as GMK Yuri is confirmed for this month, and GMK Nautilus is confirmed for June. I doubt massdrop would do more than 1 GMK set a month, so July would be the earliest I would expect to see this. But, it could be even later, as there have been rumblings of other sets like SNES in the pipeline.
WHO is rumbling about SNES? that project has been on life support for a year and a half. i hope it does happen, but intelli has not been active on this site since march... if there is movement somewhere else, i would love to get in on it
admittedly, I have not been following SNES too closely. People were talking about it dropping this year in the GMK Yuri IC. That being said, it was all 3rd party sources, and not directly from intelli. Sorry for any confusion, I haven't been paying much attention to that set and just assumed the other folks who were more invested in it were correct in stating it would be coming soonish.
well, we can all hope. anyway, i suppose that means that laser could show up as early as july still? although, i think Q3 might be a better guess...
Post by: Ouhei on Mon, 08 May 2017, 14:16:10
Post by: digisax on Mon, 08 May 2017, 14:24:48
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 08 May 2017, 14:34:21
On the massdrop page, MiTo said sometime around Q2. However, Q2 is already full of GBs as far as I know, as GMK Yuri is confirmed for this month, and GMK Nautilus is confirmed for June. I doubt massdrop would do more than 1 GMK set a month, so July would be the earliest I would expect to see this. But, it could be even later, as there have been rumblings of other sets like SNES in the pipeline.
WHO is rumbling about SNES? that project has been on life support for a year and a half. i hope it does happen, but intelli has not been active on this site since march... if there is movement somewhere else, i would love to get in on it
admittedly, I have not been following SNES too closely. People were talking about it dropping this year in the GMK Yuri IC. That being said, it was all 3rd party sources, and not directly from intelli. Sorry for any confusion, I haven't been paying much attention to that set and just assumed the other folks who were more invested in it were correct in stating it would be coming soonish.
Actually, intelli himself (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74182.msg2359177#msg2359177) was the one who said Q2. That said, not super promising given that he hasn't been here for a couple months.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 08 May 2017, 17:30:27
On the massdrop page, MiTo said sometime around Q2. However, Q2 is already full of GBs as far as I know, as GMK Yuri is confirmed for this month, and GMK Nautilus is confirmed for June. I doubt massdrop would do more than 1 GMK set a month, so July would be the earliest I would expect to see this. But, it could be even later, as there have been rumblings of other sets like SNES in the pipeline.
WHO is rumbling about SNES? that project has been on life support for a year and a half. i hope it does happen, but intelli has not been active on this site since march... if there is movement somewhere else, i would love to get in on it
admittedly, I have not been following SNES too closely. People were talking about it dropping this year in the GMK Yuri IC. That being said, it was all 3rd party sources, and not directly from intelli. Sorry for any confusion, I haven't been paying much attention to that set and just assumed the other folks who were more invested in it were correct in stating it would be coming soonish.
Actually, intelli himself (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74182.msg2359177#msg2359177) was the one who said Q2. That said, not super promising given that he hasn't been here for a couple months.
wow. guess i forgot or didnt see that. did not mean to derail this thread, but that could be some good news!
Post by: Tally810 on Mon, 08 May 2017, 19:13:01
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Post by: futurecrime on Tue, 09 May 2017, 14:48:35
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 09 May 2017, 15:51:52
2) The slaps are a great idea! Are they going to be decals or 'bumper sticker' esc.
3) Have you heard anything about pricing yet? Something tells me this'll be a doozy.
Post by: digisax on Tue, 09 May 2017, 20:12:19
1) Bars > Scoops
2) The slaps are a great idea! Are they going to be decals or 'bumper sticker' esc.
3) Have you heard anything about pricing yet? Something tells me this'll be a doozy.
I would love to hear about pricing too, it could make or break this set for me.
Post by: odd13 on Tue, 09 May 2017, 22:54:27
Post by: Ouhei on Wed, 10 May 2017, 06:17:04
Post by: colbs on Wed, 10 May 2017, 06:20:15
I don't see why this would be any more than normal GMK sets? The novelty pack might be slightly more since there's more in there than normal.The hiragana set needs new molds for 47 keys, and those molds are $300 each.
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Post by: atomicus on Wed, 10 May 2017, 07:08:47
I don't see why this would be any more than normal GMK sets? The novelty pack might be slightly more since there's more in there than normal.The hiragana set needs new molds for 47 keys, and those molds are $300 each.
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It's official then. Laser GMK will cost $20,000+.
Post by: pomk on Wed, 10 May 2017, 07:10:49
Yuri should drop soon and it also has a full alpha replacement kit. I imagine these will be about the same price wise.I don't see why this would be any more than normal GMK sets? The novelty pack might be slightly more since there's more in there than normal.The hiragana set needs new molds for 47 keys, and those molds are $300 each.
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Post by: colbs on Wed, 10 May 2017, 07:12:29
I don't see why this would be any more than normal GMK sets? The novelty pack might be slightly more since there's more in there than normal.The hiragana set needs new molds for 47 keys, and those molds are $300 each.
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It's official then. Laser GMK will cost $20,000+.
It actually isn't that bad if you think about it. 47 molds at $300 per mold comes to $14100. Assuming the MoQ of the Hiragana set is 250, then the cost of the mold being split across 250 sets means each Hiragana set would be $56.40 more than a regular set of alphas. I think that is a relatively low additional cost to have Japanese legends. Also, the molds would then be ready to be used by other keysets in the future.
Post by: atomicus on Wed, 10 May 2017, 07:13:51
I don't see why this would be any more than normal GMK sets? The novelty pack might be slightly more since there's more in there than normal.The hiragana set needs new molds for 47 keys, and those molds are $300 each.
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It's official then. Laser GMK will cost $20,000+.
It actually isn't that bad if you think about it. 47 molds at $300 per mold comes to $14100. Assuming the MoQ of the Hiragana set is 250, then the cost of the mold being split across 250 sets means each Hiragana set would be $56.40 more than a regular set of alphas.
I'd hope given the buzz surrounding this they will far exceed the MoQ, which could bring price down?
Post by: SpareWalrus on Wed, 10 May 2017, 09:35:46
Looking at past sets MiTo has run, there has been a very high number sold. If this set sells similar numbers, then we should be ok. Running in through MD should give them more buying power as well since they run so many GMK sets I would imagine.I don't see why this would be any more than normal GMK sets? The novelty pack might be slightly more since there's more in there than normal.The hiragana set needs new molds for 47 keys, and those molds are $300 each.
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It's official then. Laser GMK will cost $20,000+.
It actually isn't that bad if you think about it. 47 molds at $300 per mold comes to $14100. Assuming the MoQ of the Hiragana set is 250, then the cost of the mold being split across 250 sets means each Hiragana set would be $56.40 more than a regular set of alphas.
I'd hope given the buzz surrounding this they will far exceed the MoQ, which could bring price down?
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Post by: colbs on Wed, 10 May 2017, 11:21:26
Looking at past sets MiTo has run, there has been a very high number sold. If this set sells similar numbers, then we should be ok. Running in through MD should give them more buying power as well since they run so many GMK sets I would imagine.
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Definitely, if the Hiragana alphas hit 1000 orders for instance, then we are talking around an extra $15 or so per order to cover the new molds, which isn't bad at all. The only thing that worries me is that the Hiragana alphas aren't a standalone kit; if you want to put the Japanese alphas on a standard layout board, you also have to purchase the base kit to get the modifier keys. This could bring sales down a bit.
On the other hand, on the massdrop page MiTo said he expects Hiragana+ergoplanck to be cheaper than base+ergoplanck (statement bolded to encourage all of my ortholinear brothers and sisters to get in on the Hiragana kit). So if a lot of planck/preionic/ergodox users get in on laser the sales would be driven up a bit.
With these competing factors, it seems hard to forecast how well the Hiragana alphas will do. I am planning on ordering them no matter what, b/c I love the legends and getting these molds done means more Hiragana sets could be made in the future at the regular GMK prices. I really really want these to get made :P
Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Wed, 10 May 2017, 11:29:29
Looking at past sets MiTo has run, there has been a very high number sold. If this set sells similar numbers, then we should be ok. Running in through MD should give them more buying power as well since they run so many GMK sets I would imagine.
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On the other hand, on the massdrop page MiTo said he expects Hiragana+ergoplanck to be cheaper than base+ergoplanck (statement bolded to encourage all of my ortholinear brothers and sisters to get in on the Hiragana kit). So if a lot of planck/preionic/ergodox users get in on laser the sales would be driven up a bit.
Ohh that's nice. I didn't catch that on the massdrop page. That's good news!
Post by: Ouhei on Wed, 10 May 2017, 13:24:47
I wonder if the kits could end up getting broken down to mods/latin alphas/hiragana alphas/novelties/all the other sub kits so people could more affordably get the Hiragana legends.
Looking at past sets MiTo has run, there has been a very high number sold. If this set sells similar numbers, then we should be ok. Running in through MD should give them more buying power as well since they run so many GMK sets I would imagine.
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Definitely, if the Hiragana alphas hit 1000 orders for instance, then we are talking around an extra $15 or so per order to cover the new molds, which isn't bad at all. The only thing that worries me is that the Hiragana alphas aren't a standalone kit; if you want to put the Japanese alphas on a standard layout board, you also have to purchase the base kit to get the modifier keys. This could bring sales down a bit.
On the other hand, on the massdrop page MiTo said he expects Hiragana+ergoplanck to be cheaper than base+ergoplanck (statement bolded to encourage all of my ortholinear brothers and sisters to get in on the Hiragana kit). So if a lot of planck/preionic/ergodox users get in on laser the sales would be driven up a bit.
With these competing factors, it seems hard to forecast how well the Hiragana alphas will do. I am planning on ordering them no matter what, b/c I love the legends and getting these molds done means more Hiragana sets could be made in the future at the regular GMK prices. I really really want these to get made :P
Post by: SpareWalrus on Wed, 10 May 2017, 13:34:51
Ive asked before, but I'm not sure we'll see that happen for GMK sets. It would unfortunately increase the cost for most (mods/Latin characters), and usually people aren't very receptive to that with GMK sets (just my view though).I wonder if the kits could end up getting broken down to mods/latin alphas/hiragana alphas/novelties/all the other sub kits so people could more affordably get the Hiragana legends.
Looking at past sets MiTo has run, there has been a very high number sold. If this set sells similar numbers, then we should be ok. Running in through MD should give them more buying power as well since they run so many GMK sets I would imagine.
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Definitely, if the Hiragana alphas hit 1000 orders for instance, then we are talking around an extra $15 or so per order to cover the new molds, which isn't bad at all. The only thing that worries me is that the Hiragana alphas aren't a standalone kit; if you want to put the Japanese alphas on a standard layout board, you also have to purchase the base kit to get the modifier keys. This could bring sales down a bit.
On the other hand, on the massdrop page MiTo said he expects Hiragana+ergoplanck to be cheaper than base+ergoplanck (statement bolded to encourage all of my ortholinear brothers and sisters to get in on the Hiragana kit). So if a lot of planck/preionic/ergodox users get in on laser the sales would be driven up a bit.
With these competing factors, it seems hard to forecast how well the Hiragana alphas will do. I am planning on ordering them no matter what, b/c I love the legends and getting these molds done means more Hiragana sets could be made in the future at the regular GMK prices. I really really want these to get made
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Post by: digisax on Wed, 10 May 2017, 13:37:29
Ive asked before, but I'm not sure we'll see that happen for GMK sets. It would unfortunately increase the cost for most (mods/Latin characters), and usually people aren't very receptive to that with GMK sets (just my view though).I wonder if the kits could end up getting broken down to mods/latin alphas/hiragana alphas/novelties/all the other sub kits so people could more affordably get the Hiragana legends.
Looking at past sets MiTo has run, there has been a very high number sold. If this set sells similar numbers, then we should be ok. Running in through MD should give them more buying power as well since they run so many GMK sets I would imagine.
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Definitely, if the Hiragana alphas hit 1000 orders for instance, then we are talking around an extra $15 or so per order to cover the new molds, which isn't bad at all. The only thing that worries me is that the Hiragana alphas aren't a standalone kit; if you want to put the Japanese alphas on a standard layout board, you also have to purchase the base kit to get the modifier keys. This could bring sales down a bit.
On the other hand, on the massdrop page MiTo said he expects Hiragana+ergoplanck to be cheaper than base+ergoplanck (statement bolded to encourage all of my ortholinear brothers and sisters to get in on the Hiragana kit). So if a lot of planck/preionic/ergodox users get in on laser the sales would be driven up a bit.
With these competing factors, it seems hard to forecast how well the Hiragana alphas will do. I am planning on ordering them no matter what, b/c I love the legends and getting these molds done means more Hiragana sets could be made in the future at the regular GMK prices. I really really want these to get made
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I don't imagine the mods going up in price too much since most people would buy the mods with Hiragana or Latin. And I'd like to see that split as I'd like to get the Hiragana kit but I'd prefer not to end up buying two sets of alphas.
Post by: Theodoooore on Sun, 14 May 2017, 02:32:56
Excellent!
I hope it wasn't vote manip.
Post by: rmendis on Sun, 14 May 2017, 07:06:57
Do my eyes decieve me or has Hiragana overtaken Gaijin in the poll?
Excellent!
I hope it wasn't vote manip.
A lot less casual users will buy the hiragana. The same crowd that doesn't post on GH or respond to these surveys. To please enthusiasts, go with Hiragana. To sell more sets, go with Gaijin.
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 14 May 2017, 08:21:33
@Mito
Three Requests:
- Please add one more 1u Fn to the main set
- Add another 2u to the space bar kit
- Add an R1 1u '\|' to whichever Japanese kit that wins.
Post by: Theodoooore on Sun, 14 May 2017, 09:10:20
Do my eyes decieve me or has Hiragana overtaken Gaijin in the poll?
Excellent!
I hope it wasn't vote manip.
A lot less casual users will buy the hiragana. The same crowd that doesn't post on GH or respond to these surveys. To please enthusiasts, go with Hiragana. To sell more sets, go with Gaijin.
Hiragana would also please ISO users like myself as Gaijin would leave us with incorrect legends for which no replacement or substitute exists.
Post by: hiram on Sun, 14 May 2017, 11:43:48
I'm definitely in for the base set either way though.
@Mito any chance of producing both if there's no clear winner? Really pulling for Hirigana, it really takes the theme to the next level!
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 14 May 2017, 13:38:39
Hiragana would also please ISO users like myself as Gaijin would leave us with incorrect legends for which no replacement or substitute exists.
I don't quite see how it would affect you as I'm pretty sure most of us or 99% of us only grabbing it for aesthetics. So correct or non-correct Latin legends wouldn't even matter; especially if you're touch typing.
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 14 May 2017, 14:16:07
Post by: elfick on Sun, 14 May 2017, 14:45:15
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 14 May 2017, 14:55:06
I'll still get whichever wins. I feel both kits has been done nicely.
I just don't see why not many picked Hybrid. It looks good in my view. Has a nice balance of both if people are concerned with correct legends to assist them with typing.
Post by: digisax on Sun, 14 May 2017, 15:40:57
I'm aware it will be zero percent to have both, was just saying, haha. If it did come to it, I just saw it as having both would be better sense to me. Price isn't going to please everyone already, but at least you'll get what you want.
I'll still get whichever wins. I feel both kits has been done nicely.
I just don't see why not many picked Hybrid. It looks good in my view. Has a nice balance of both if people are concerned with correct legends to assist them with typing.
I think Hybrid feels a bit unbalanced since the keys don't have 'equal' legends on them
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 14 May 2017, 15:56:20
I think Hybrid feels a bit unbalanced since the keys don't have 'equal' legends on them
Fair enough, though to me it still does feel balanced. Though I'm mainly looking at it from a perspective where it caters for people that would like to touch type but still would like some assistive legends while still showing some flair. Just not a lot of flair as the other two.
Post by: Theodoooore on Sun, 14 May 2017, 16:46:40
Hiragana would also please ISO users like myself as Gaijin would leave us with incorrect legends for which no replacement or substitute exists.
I don't quite see how it would affect you as I'm pretty sure most of us or 99% of us only grabbing it for aesthetics. So correct or non-correct Latin legends wouldn't even matter; especially if you're touch typing.
I place correct legends pretty highly on the aesthetics scale which is why I personally prefer Hiragana.
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 14 May 2017, 16:54:36
Post by: hiram on Sun, 14 May 2017, 17:06:11
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 14 May 2017, 17:21:55
Plus it is entirely up to one if they want to touch type or not, not enforcing anyone to touch type. I touch type, but I have a friend that can't touch type due to physical disability issues making it difficult, but still enjoys the hobby.
Post by: hiram on Sun, 14 May 2017, 18:45:54
Post by: ArchDill on Sun, 14 May 2017, 19:50:06
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 14 May 2017, 20:02:00
Well... I guess the upside if Gaijin does not happen is I will save some money
Do you actually need the latin legends or do you just prefer the aesthetic of Gaijin? I'm genuinely curious because I know how much into this set you are, I have a hard time imagining anyone actually preferring the looks of Gaijin over Hiragana mono but that might just be me!
Post by: Tally810 on Sun, 14 May 2017, 20:26:02
I prefer the look of gaijin over everything else also. :>Well... I guess the upside if Gaijin does not happen is I will save some money
Do you actually need the latin legends or do you just prefer the aesthetic of Gaijin? I'm genuinely curious because I know how much into this set you are, I have a hard time imagining anyone actually preferring the looks of Gaijin over Hiragana mono but that might just be me!
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Post by: Owl- on Sun, 14 May 2017, 21:48:02
All good points for sure. I just feel like if you're going for aesthetics and the alternate alphas, go for the cleanest looking set, otherwise just stick with the already clean looking Latin legends.
I do side with the aesthetic points and stripping it to mono legends. I just don't see anyone looking at it for typing. You'll just look at it here and there and display reasons. The base latin already caters for all users and is pretty much mono Legends itself. Wanting mono in another legend format is understandable, nothing wrong with that.
The Gaijin kit will still be usable to everyone while still holding that clean aesthetic flair. The mono just narrows down to touch users. Not everyone touch type. Would be great if we're all on the same plane touch typing but that isn't the case.
I believe a kit that is usable to anyone is better in the long run from an empathy point than aiming for a particular group. I'm not saying to ignore us touch typers either, but the gaijin kit is still approachable for touch typing overall.
The Gaijin kit is clean where it stands. It's one of the most immaculate sub-legends sets I've seen. Not messy like other sub-legends sets out there.
I know we're all pretty much aiming for aesthetics on this kit in the end, but there's an option I see to cater for everyone while still having clean aesthetics is a nicer point in my view. Would love to see both but I'm aware MiTo just wants one to go through for price reasons. Regardless, I'm okay with whichever results come out in the end.
Post by: ullr on Sun, 14 May 2017, 22:12:05
The survey was also posted on Massdrop so I think Vigrith might be correct in suspecting that many of the respondents are the casual or new buyers who think “well, between the two I would rather have the US ANSI set since I am American and can’t touch type” but may not even buy the set let alone the (probably expensive) additional kit.
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 14 May 2017, 22:48:00
Gaijin can be refined by removing the uppercase characters and leaving just the numbers to even it for most users if regional concerns matter to people.
A poll/questionnaire asking how much one will pay may help gauge a realistic price a user will pay for the kit. It'll likely range around 50-60+ for the kit. The Base is already about 130+ and novelties is in line with the Jap kit.
Post by: digisax on Sun, 14 May 2017, 22:55:35
Either kit will sell well I'm sure. The Hiragana set is pretty much Blanks anyways. All three kits are pretty much straight ANSI layouts, so adding 2/3 Hiragana keys for ISO and split backspace will level the compatibility.
Gaijin can be refined by removing the uppercase characters and leaving just the numbers to even it for most users if regional concerns matter to people.
A poll/questionnaire asking how much one will pay may help gauge a realistic price a user will pay for the kit. It'll likely range around 50-60+ for the kit. The Base is already about 130+ and novelties is in line with the Jap kit.
Wouldn't removing the uppercase characters form Gaijin pretty much leave you with the Hybrid set people overwhelmingly voted against? Or am I missing something?
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 14 May 2017, 23:07:39
Post by: Lazylewis on Mon, 15 May 2017, 05:44:44
Post by: colbs on Mon, 15 May 2017, 06:04:00
A poll/questionnaire asking how much one will pay may help gauge a realistic price a user will pay for the kit. It'll likely range around 50-60+ for the kit. The Base is already about 130+ and novelties is in line with the Jap kit.
How did you come up with this price range (50-60 for Japanese alphas)? I expected the kit to be much more expensive than that...
The set needs 47 new molds (if I counted correctly) at $300 per mold, so $14100 for all the molds to be made. Assuming an initial MoQ of 250, splitting the cost of the new molds comes out to 14100/250 = $56.40 per sale. So, I was expecting the Japanese alpha kit to cost 50-60 more per set than a standard alpha set for which molds already exist. This would put the cost of the Hiragana alphas right around what the base set costs. Is this not how GMK sets pricing? I will definitely buy the set either way, b/c I "need" it, but I would be thrilled if it was only $50-60.
Post by: Owl- on Mon, 15 May 2017, 06:31:17
How did you come up with this price range (50-60 for Japanese alphas)? I expected the kit to be much more expensive than that...
The set needs 47 new molds (if I counted correctly) at $300 per mold, so $14100 for all the molds to be made. Assuming an initial MoQ of 250, splitting the cost of the new molds comes out to 14100/250 = $56.40 per sale. So, I was expecting the Japanese alpha kit to cost 50-60 more per set than a standard alpha set for which molds already exist. This would put the cost of the Hiragana alphas right around what the base set costs. Is this not how GMK sets pricing? I will definitely buy the set either way, b/c I "need" it, but I would be thrilled if it was only $50-60.
I never said its set in stone to be 50-60. I said 50-60+(plus), meaning it can be more because the price isn't quite clear yet and the kit is possible to include 1-3 more keys for compatibility purposes. It is just a realistic price estimate with many things taken into account.
Post by: colbs on Mon, 15 May 2017, 06:37:46
How did you come up with this price range (50-60 for Japanese alphas)? I expected the kit to be much more expensive than that...
The set needs 47 new molds (if I counted correctly) at $300 per mold, so $14100 for all the molds to be made. Assuming an initial MoQ of 250, splitting the cost of the new molds comes out to 14100/250 = $56.40 per sale. So, I was expecting the Japanese alpha kit to cost 50-60 more per set than a standard alpha set for which molds already exist. This would put the cost of the Hiragana alphas right around what the base set costs. Is this not how GMK sets pricing? I will definitely buy the set either way, b/c I "need" it, but I would be thrilled if it was only $50-60.
I never said its set in stone to be 50-60. I said 50-60+(plus), meaning it can be more because the price isn't quite clear yet and the kit is possible to include 1-3 more keys for compatibility purposes. It is just a realistic price estimate with many things taken into account.
Thanks for the clarification. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Anyway, I suppose we should have a pretty good idea for what the Hiragana set costs once we see how much the Yuri cryllic set is, so it isn't worth worrying too much about.
Cheers
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 15 May 2017, 09:17:54
Well... I guess the upside if Gaijin does not happen is I will save some money
Do you actually need the latin legends or do you just prefer the aesthetic of Gaijin? I'm genuinely curious because I know how much into this set you are, I have a hard time imagining anyone actually preferring the looks of Gaijin over Hiragana mono but that might just be me!
I am too, prefer Gaijin over Hiragana. This set, to me, screams cray-cray with the wild, flashy colours and boatloads of novelties. The mono legends (Latin or Hiragana) just seems lackluster to me somehow. The Gaijin with both legends will appear too crowded to many but I actually embrace it.
Post by: colbs on Mon, 15 May 2017, 09:21:34
Well... I guess the upside if Gaijin does not happen is I will save some money
Do you actually need the latin legends or do you just prefer the aesthetic of Gaijin? I'm genuinely curious because I know how much into this set you are, I have a hard time imagining anyone actually preferring the looks of Gaijin over Hiragana mono but that might just be me!
I am too, prefer Gaijin over Hiragana. This set, to me, screams cray-cray with the wild, flashy colours and boatloads of novelties. The mono legends (Latin or Hiragana) just seems lackluster to me somehow. The Gaijin with both legends will appear too crowded to many but I actually embrace it.
I think if I was putting the keys on a traditional layout (e.g. a TKL or 60% with the Japanese alphas combined with mods from the base set), I would prefer the Gaijin. The mods have latin legends, and I think mono Hiragana alphas with latin legends on the mods would clash.
Conversely, for an ergodox or a planck where the modifiers are going to be blank, I am all about the mono Hiragana legends.
*edited for clarity
Post by: Soup88 on Mon, 15 May 2017, 11:04:10
Well... I guess the upside if Gaijin does not happen is I will save some money
Do you actually need the latin legends or do you just prefer the aesthetic of Gaijin? I'm genuinely curious because I know how much into this set you are, I have a hard time imagining anyone actually preferring the looks of Gaijin over Hiragana mono but that might just be me!
I am too, prefer Gaijin over Hiragana. This set, to me, screams cray-cray with the wild, flashy colours and boatloads of novelties. The mono legends (Latin or Hiragana) just seems lackluster to me somehow. The Gaijin with both legends will appear too crowded to many but I actually embrace it.
I also favour the busy look of Gaijin. I think it fits the aesthetic of the set the best and it makes the mono legend sets seem disappointing in comparison.
Post by: Owl- on Mon, 15 May 2017, 11:56:36
Jokes aside~
I'd be amused if Hybrid pulled a quick one and won.
Whichever kit comes second; I'm wondering if MiTo would consider having it produced at a future date. Considering the popularity of this set, I think its approachable than keeping the exclusivity to one.
Post by: Ouhei on Mon, 15 May 2017, 12:24:54
I also favour the busy look of Gaijin. I think it fits the aesthetic of the set the best and it makes the mono legend sets seem disappointing in comparison.Yeah, I think the Gaijin plays into the theme nicely. Cyberpunk (to me) has always been a bit chaotic and usually involves the mashup if western and eastern cultures so I think the double legend layout plays into that better than the mono legend options.
Post by: rmendis on Mon, 15 May 2017, 13:19:36
I also favour the busy look of Gaijin. I think it fits the aesthetic of the set the best and it makes the mono legend sets seem disappointing in comparison.Yeah, I think the Gaijin plays into the theme nicely. Cyberpunk (to me) has always been a bit chaotic and usually involves the mashup if western and eastern cultures so I think the double legend layout plays into that better than the mono legend options.
Yep. I am really hoping that Gaijin gets released.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 15 May 2017, 14:16:02
I also favour the busy look of Gaijin. I think it fits the aesthetic of the set the best and it makes the mono legend sets seem disappointing in comparison.Yeah, I think the Gaijin plays into the theme nicely. Cyberpunk (to me) has always been a bit chaotic and usually involves the mashup if western and eastern cultures so I think the double legend layout plays into that better than the mono legend options.
exactly. even the novelties are all over the place. imo, the more wild colors in this set the better. gaijin or standard
Post by: Draic on Mon, 15 May 2017, 14:47:09
Post by: yokken on Mon, 15 May 2017, 16:31:05
Post by: smt on Mon, 15 May 2017, 17:59:06
Yes, as a Dvorak user (as well as 40%er), I'd be pushed over the edge to add the mono Hiragana if that ends up being offered. But that's not where my focus is.
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 15 May 2017, 18:33:23
Hiragana and Gajin both have their appeal. I voted for gajin because of the busy and chaotic nature, but I will get whatever wins and will be happy with it
Unpopular keyboard opinion. Double legends have more of an appeal for me. And yes... I can touch type.
Post by: Owl- on Mon, 15 May 2017, 19:12:54
I'd love to know how many people who are interested in this set are interested in the Japanese legends. The last few pages seem to have been nothing but chatter about the Hiragana and Gaijin kits. Then again I don't know of many sets that look this good _and_ have the option of doubleshot Japanese legends (everything else being dye-subbed). Still, I love data so a strawpoll would be interesting.
The Gaijin and Hira kit are about the Japanese legends if you've thoroughly read. Discussion about it means people are interested in it whether it be for aesthetic or not.
A poll already exists for voting.
Post by: greywinthrop on Mon, 15 May 2017, 22:06:53
Post by: ullr on Mon, 15 May 2017, 22:20:34
Post by: pomk on Tue, 16 May 2017, 04:38:46
I'd love to know how many people who are interested in this set are interested in the Japanese legends. The last few pages seem to have been nothing but chatter about the Hiragana and Gaijin kits. Then again I don't know of many sets that look this good _and_ have the option of doubleshot Japanese legends (everything else being dye-subbed). Still, I love data so a strawpoll would be interesting.I'd say that moon runes are a better description for the gaijin set, seeing how they aren't compatible with any standard japanese layout. Hiragana could be used with the addition of 3(?) keys.
Post by: Ouhei on Tue, 16 May 2017, 05:48:31
I personally prefer the look of Gaijin, and I know that the other people in my household would complain bitterly if I used Hiragana, so I wouldn't think about buying that kit. My wallet would thank me, though, and I'd be happy with the base kit and novelties alone, so I wouldn't be too sad about it.Yeah this is pretty much where I'm at too.
Post by: Auk on Tue, 16 May 2017, 06:00:47
Post by: Owl- on Tue, 16 May 2017, 06:15:57
I personally prefer the look of Gaijin, and I know that the other people in my household would complain bitterly if I used Hiragana, so I wouldn't think about buying that kit. My wallet would thank me, though, and I'd be happy with the base kit and novelties alone, so I wouldn't be too sad about it.
Are you buying the kit for the family to use? If not, I can't see why anyone would want to make any bitter complaints.
Post by: Ouhei on Tue, 16 May 2017, 10:35:32
Some of us have computers that are used by people other than ourselves at times. My wife uses my computer and while she's also mostly a touch typist, she doesn't like blank keys, especially if the board has a unique layout (I will be putting this set on a 96key board, not terrible nonstandard, but different enough). I also prefer to have legends for the rare occurrence that I need to look down for a key, it's just personal preference.I personally prefer the look of Gaijin, and I know that the other people in my household would complain bitterly if I used Hiragana, so I wouldn't think about buying that kit. My wallet would thank me, though, and I'd be happy with the base kit and novelties alone, so I wouldn't be too sad about it.
Are you buying the kit for the family to use? If not, I can't see why anyone would want to make any bitter complaints.
Like I've said before, I'm in on this set no matter what (well assuming it's priced like other GMK sets). If Gaijin wins I'll probably spring for the extra kit as I really like the look for the set and it works for my home setup/situation. If Hiragana only wins I won't be springing for the extra kit because it doesn't appeal to me, but if it's what more people want then it's whatever.
Post by: greywinthrop on Tue, 16 May 2017, 22:36:28
I personally prefer the look of Gaijin, and I know that the other people in my household would complain bitterly if I used Hiragana, so I wouldn't think about buying that kit. My wallet would thank me, though, and I'd be happy with the base kit and novelties alone, so I wouldn't be too sad about it.
Are you buying the kit for the family to use? If not, I can't see why anyone would want to make any bitter complaints.
I wouldn't forbid anyone from using my computer/keyboards just because they're a part of a hobby of mine, and I can see my teenager/spouse/brother all being annoyed by Hiragana, because none of them are touch typists. I mean, if I really loved those alphas, I would ignore them and let them deal with it on the rare occasions that they use my keyboard, but as it is, they're not a must have. Both Hiragana and Gaijin would be a fun addition to this set, but I'm just being practical in saying that I'd rather get the one that wouldn't lead to having to guide my kid's hands to the home keys every time he wants to use my computer.
Post by: pomk on Wed, 17 May 2017, 03:01:44
Post by: Owl- on Wed, 17 May 2017, 06:10:29
Some of us have computers that are used by people other than ourselves at times. My wife uses my computer and while she's also mostly a touch typist, she doesn't like blank keys, especially if the board has a unique layout (I will be putting this set on a 96key board, not terrible nonstandard, but different enough). I also prefer to have legends for the rare occurrence that I need to look down for a key, it's just personal preference.
Like I've said before, I'm in on this set no matter what (well assuming it's priced like other GMK sets). If Gaijin wins I'll probably spring for the extra kit as I really like the look for the set and it works for my home setup/situation. If Hiragana only wins I won't be springing for the extra kit because it doesn't appeal to me, but if it's what more people want then it's whatever.
I wouldn't forbid anyone from using my computer/keyboards just because they're a part of a hobby of mine, and I can see my teenager/spouse/brother all being annoyed by Hiragana, because none of them are touch typists. I mean, if I really loved those alphas, I would ignore them and let them deal with it on the rare occasions that they use my keyboard, but as it is, they're not a must have. Both Hiragana and Gaijin would be a fun addition to this set, but I'm just being practical in saying that I'd rather get the one that wouldn't lead to having to guide my kid's hands to the home keys every time he wants to use my computer.
That's great that you both and some others share your keyboard :) I haven't shared mine in a while and don't plan to for a long while after four different incidents in the past. I did share mine for a short period with my partner, but I ended up building one as a gift some time back, so we both have our own.
Understandable that the Gaijin kit is preferred for you both, nothing wrong with that. We're pretty much all interested in the main kit after all, and the Jap kit is an extra aesthetic for whichever MiTo brings through :)
Post by: Ouhei on Wed, 17 May 2017, 09:41:53
Yuri prices are up. Assuming that the pricing would be the same (why would it not be?) the gaijin/hiragana set would be ~ 80 usd on top of the base kit (~ 130 usd). This information could be added to the poll.That's the highest price point, lowest is $60 if there's 250+ purchased, which is about in line with what people here have been talking about.
Post by: thelaughingman on Wed, 17 May 2017, 10:04:45
Understandable that the Gaijin kit is preferred for you both, nothing wrong with that. We're pretty much all interested in the main kit after all, and the Jap kit is an extra aesthetic for whichever MiTo brings through :)
Think of the thousands that bought Enjoy or IMSTO Cyrillic or Japanese or Korean set, all of which have double legends. I'm just saying, an aesthetic preference for double legends is real and it's not purely about practicality like the Hiragana purists are saying :p :p :p
Post by: Owl- on Wed, 17 May 2017, 11:01:25
Regardless, I'm getting whatever pops forward :D
Post by: thelaughingman on Wed, 17 May 2017, 11:35:20
Yes, of course, a lot would like to see DS sub-legends, but in the end, the primary attention is on the main set/base kit :) without it, the Jap kit wouldn't be brought up like this.
Regardless, I'm getting whatever pops forward :D
Exactly! :thumb:
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Wed, 17 May 2017, 22:52:45
Post by: creactive on Wed, 17 May 2017, 23:40:06
Post by: digisax on Thu, 18 May 2017, 00:08:42
Totally in - is there an ETA for this yet?
Hopefully not too soon, Yuri already killed my wallet for a bit.
Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Thu, 18 May 2017, 05:54:22
Post by: Ouhei on Thu, 18 May 2017, 09:01:24
Just realized this set is ABS. How's the quality of GMK ABS compared to other ABS keysets?GMK is widely considered the highest quality ABS caps on the market.
Post by: digisax on Thu, 18 May 2017, 09:39:26
Just realized this set is ABS. How's the quality of GMK ABS compared to other ABS keysets?
I would take GMK ABS over most PBT sets, GMK's ABS is really thick and really nice to type on. It will shine eventually, but not at all quickly.
Post by: _rubik on Thu, 18 May 2017, 10:36:08
Just realized this set is ABS. How's the quality of GMK ABS compared to other ABS keysets?
I would take GMK ABS over most PBT sets, GMK's ABS is really thick and really nice to type on. It will shine eventually, but not at all quickly.
The feel isn't really a worry. I'm more concerned about the shine. Though, this would be me first gmk set, so I'm not sure what to expect.
Post by: digisax on Thu, 18 May 2017, 10:38:04
Just realized this set is ABS. How's the quality of GMK ABS compared to other ABS keysets?
I would take GMK ABS over most PBT sets, GMK's ABS is really thick and really nice to type on. It will shine eventually, but not at all quickly.
The feel isn't really a worry. I'm more concerned about the shine. Though, this would be me first gmk set, so I'm not sure what to expect.
All ABS caps will shine, but GMK caps will take quite a while to do so. I've seen people with 2+ year old sets on daily drivers with no shine.
Post by: ArchDill on Fri, 19 May 2017, 01:26:21
Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Fri, 19 May 2017, 08:39:34
Post by: fouras on Fri, 19 May 2017, 10:16:50
Are the Alphas the same color as Skeletor mods? Just wondering if I need to try and stock up on another Skeletor set.No, it's a custom color.
Post by: _rubik on Fri, 19 May 2017, 22:40:25
Just realized this set is ABS. How's the quality of GMK ABS compared to other ABS keysets?
I would take GMK ABS over most PBT sets, GMK's ABS is really thick and really nice to type on. It will shine eventually, but not at all quickly.
As if I wasn't sold already.... Any word on timing? Compared to SA, is GMK generally better or worse?
The feel isn't really a worry. I'm more concerned about the shine. Though, this would be me first gmk set, so I'm not sure what to expect.
All ABS caps will shine, but GMK caps will take quite a while to do so. I've seen people with 2+ year old sets on daily drivers with no shine.
Post by: Overchecken8 on Sat, 20 May 2017, 10:04:51
Post by: switchnollie on Sat, 20 May 2017, 21:16:54
Would be sweet if the molds are used with some different colors in the future.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 20 May 2017, 22:06:19
Will the Hiragana Monolegends be doubleshot like Yuri Cyrillic?
Would be sweet if the molds are used with some different colors in the future.
Yes, and yes it will be great for future sets!
Post by: digisax on Sat, 20 May 2017, 23:31:34
Will the Hiragana Monolegends be doubleshot like Yuri Cyrillic?
Would be sweet if the molds are used with some different colors in the future.
Whatever kit wins will be doubleshot same as Yuri, monolegends would be better in this respect as it gives more options for future sets imo.
Post by: theasian on Sun, 21 May 2017, 19:00:09
Post by: _PixelNinja on Mon, 22 May 2017, 09:20:34
All ABS caps will shine, but GMK caps will take quite a while to do so. I've seen people with 2+ year old sets on daily drivers with no shine.Frequency of use aside, the thing is, that is dependent on one's body chemistry; some people have more corrosive skin secretions that others, witch affects the how fast the polishing of the keycaps will
Post by: elfick on Mon, 22 May 2017, 10:32:31
"I've been following Laser here and on Geekhack, but I don't recall if this has been asked. In light of Yuri's DC kit, will you consider running a Colevrak kit? Honestly, if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with Laser over Yuri, but I'm concerned that if the Yuri DC kit fails, no one else will even try to offer one for GMK sets. If you'll offer a Colevrak kit without regard to Yuri's DC success or failure, I'll drop my Yuri purchase and pledge for at least 2 Colevrak kits."
Edit....
Mito replied on Massdrop so I'm going to copy/paste that here also so he doesn't have too...
"The Colevrak kit will be there, but it's important to note that as you can clearly see there's no demand for it. I will make it available, hopefully it tips!"
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/455/laser-gmk/1693976
Super stoked for Laser and a chance to have Laser with Colevrak support!
Post by: Coreda on Mon, 22 May 2017, 11:25:28
Post by: theillumedpanda on Mon, 22 May 2017, 19:40:10
Post by: unluckyxiii on Mon, 22 May 2017, 21:36:44
Post by: theillumedpanda on Tue, 23 May 2017, 17:17:00
Really nice! Hiragana is clean and nice but Gaijin is just wild fun! Hope to get this as my first set.GMK as your first set? Skipping all those cheap keysets and go straight with the high-end option! Good stuff! :)
Post by: madindehead on Fri, 26 May 2017, 08:21:02
Really nice! Hiragana is clean and nice but Gaijin is just wild fun! Hope to get this as my first set.GMK as your first set? Skipping all those cheap keysets and go straight with the high-end option! Good stuff! :)
Same here ;) This won't technically be the first set I buy, as I'm already on GMK Oblivion, but 2nd/3rd set. Gotta go high quality!
I showed this set to my girlfriend last night, and she loves it. So think I'm going to have to when it launches!
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Sat, 27 May 2017, 17:29:13
I don't know of you're still taking suggestions for the novelties, but here are my 2 cents:
● A small detail that is bothering me... wouldn't it be better if the Tachikoma's eyes (three dots) were centered instead of tilted? And maybe just a bit smaller? I had to read the description to notice what it was.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yusN8f0.png)
● Other suggestions for keycaps (some already contributed by other users):
- (80s) Logos from Atari, Commodore, MSX... if that's allowed
- (80s) Tron bike or recognizer
- (80s) Johnny 5 from Short Circuit - here is a quick sketch I've made with different expressions:
(http://i.imgur.com/HccpmtC.png)
- (Cyberpunk) Robocop helmet / OCP logo
- (Cyberpunk) Kaneda bike / pill logo from Akira
Post by: GreyAmbience on Sun, 28 May 2017, 03:03:37
First of all, I love this set! Count me in, it's an instabuy! :DI too would die for a Robocop novelty
I don't know of you're still taking suggestions for the novelties, but here are my 2 cents:● A small detail that is bothering me... wouldn't it be better if the Tachikoma's eyes (three dots) were centered instead of tilted? I had to read the description to notice what it was.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yusN8f0.png)
● Other suggestions for keycaps (some already contributed by other users):
- Logos from Atari, Commodore, MSX... if that's allowed
- Tron bike or recognizer
- Johnny 5 from Short Circuit - here is a quick sketch I've made with different expressions:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HccpmtC.png)
- Robocop face
- Kaneda bike / pill logo from Akira
Post by: _rubik on Sun, 28 May 2017, 23:45:27
^^
- (80s) Johnny 5 from Short Circuit - here is a quick sketch I've made with different expressions:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HccpmtC.png)
I don't want to stomp on your idea, but doesn't this contain too main fine details to cast properly? Lest you forget, these have to be printed on a 1u...
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Mon, 29 May 2017, 04:43:59
I don't want to stomp on your idea, but doesn't this contain too main fine details to cast properly? Lest you forget, these have to be printed on a 1u...I'm just throwing ideas around.
And about being too complex... well, it's just a quick mockup. But any keycap with a lot of text is just as complex: Print Screen key has lots of small details, tiny elements (the eye of the "e"), etc.
Post by: rioc on Mon, 29 May 2017, 06:02:52
don't wanna have my budget already spent when this drops...
Post by: metalliccharles on Mon, 29 May 2017, 07:00:15
Post by: Ouhei on Mon, 29 May 2017, 10:28:57
oh, wondering if there's an approximate ETA on this?Mito has been saying the end of Q2, so within the next month or so. I'm thinking it'll be the next big keyset drop on MD after Yuri finishes up.
don't wanna have my budget already spent when this drops...
Post by: schoolbus on Mon, 29 May 2017, 10:29:29
oh, wondering if there's an approximate ETA on this?Mito has been saying the end of Q2, so within the next month or so. I'm thinking it'll be the next big keyset drop on MD after Yuri finishes up.
don't wanna have my budget already spent when this drops...
Nautilus is next, so it's probably still a little ways out.
Post by: Auk on Mon, 29 May 2017, 10:30:42
Post by: rioc on Mon, 29 May 2017, 10:32:03
oh, wondering if there's an approximate ETA on this?Mito has been saying the end of Q2, so within the next month or so. I'm thinking it'll be the next big keyset drop on MD after Yuri finishes up.
don't wanna have my budget already spent when this drops...
Nautilus is next, so it's probably still a little ways out.
yeah... ok, I'm very sad I have to do this, but I'll have to skip nautilus then... to much bucks out the window already. (probably also have to skip SA Carbon R2... really bad timing of all this **** lately)
Post by: Auk on Mon, 29 May 2017, 11:43:48
...really bad timing of all this **** lately
Definitely too much all at once to have everything. I've watched buys come and go for a few years, mostly not excited enough by anything with ISO support to buy. Finally ordered an ANSI board a month or so ago and and there is an avalanche of cool stuff including awesome keysets with ISO :))
It's a great time for anyone interested in keyboards.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 29 May 2017, 11:53:19
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 29 May 2017, 21:42:07
^I don't want to stomp on your idea, but doesn't this contain too main fine details to cast properly? Lest you forget, these have to be printed on a 1u...^
- (80s) Johnny 5 from Short Circuit - here is a quick sketch I've made with different expressions:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HccpmtC.png)
Post by: digisax on Mon, 29 May 2017, 22:03:24
Skipped Yuri in favor of this set and wil definitely skip any SP SA with at least 1 year estimate. Not sure about Nautilus though, but novelties will tell
If you want SA without the ridiculous wait, SA Carbon has a pre-reserved spot in the production queue to get it out quicker.
Copy/pasted from Massdrop just for coverage...
"I've been following Laser here and on Geekhack, but I don't recall if this has been asked. In light of Yuri's DC kit, will you consider running a Colevrak kit? Honestly, if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with Laser over Yuri, but I'm concerned that if the Yuri DC kit fails, no one else will even try to offer one for GMK sets. If you'll offer a Colevrak kit without regard to Yuri's DC success or failure, I'll drop my Yuri purchase and pledge for at least 2 Colevrak kits."
Edit....
Mito replied on Massdrop so I'm going to copy/paste that here also so he doesn't have too...
"The Colevrak kit will be there, but it's important to note that as you can clearly see there's no demand for it. I will make it available, hopefully it tips!"
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/455/laser-gmk/1693976
Super stoked for Laser and a chance to have Laser with Colevrak support!
I want to see Laser get a Colevrak kit, but considering how Yuri's DC kit is doing I'm not getting my hopes up.
Post by: fouras on Tue, 30 May 2017, 06:09:42
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 30 May 2017, 08:06:33
Are the gaijin alphas going to be double-shot fully? Or, are the shifted sublegends going to be printed?
My concern is if they are printed, some of the sublegends will wear out quicker.
The sublegends would last longer if front printed but im not sure if it would look as cool.
Post by: rioc on Tue, 30 May 2017, 08:26:01
I like the gaijin alphas the most.
Are the gaijin alphas going to be double-shot fully? Or, are the shifted sublegends going to be printed?
My concern is if they are printed, some of the sublegends will wear out quicker.
The sublegends would last longer if front printed but im not sure if it would look as cool.
oh good you remembered me of asking this with your post:
I'm all for Hiragana only, but if the sublegends on gaijin are double-shot, I'd also be ok with that. Just no Pad Printing at all pls...
double-shot or double-bust!
Post by: digisax on Tue, 30 May 2017, 09:16:05
I like the gaijin alphas the most.
Are the gaijin alphas going to be double-shot fully? Or, are the shifted sublegends going to be printed?
My concern is if they are printed, some of the sublegends will wear out quicker.
The sublegends would last longer if front printed but im not sure if it would look as cool.
oh good you remembered me of asking this with your post:
I'm all for Hiragana only, but if the sublegends on gaijin are double-shot, I'd also be ok with that. Just no Pad Printing at all pls...
double-shot or double-bust!
I definitely remembered him saying the Hiragana kits would be double shot no matter which Hiragana kit was the one to actually get produced.
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 30 May 2017, 10:11:20
Post by: rioc on Tue, 30 May 2017, 10:17:38
Doubleshot 100%.That's good
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Post by: MiTo on Tue, 30 May 2017, 11:04:04
Post by: Auk on Tue, 30 May 2017, 11:21:06
...people abused the vote in favor of their preferred options
Who would've thought: vote manipulation, on the Internet of all places. I'm shocked.
It doesn't have to be a democratic vote anyway, if it looks dubious just go with whichever you have the strongest feeling for.
Post by: JustCallMeCrash on Tue, 30 May 2017, 11:54:13
Heck, I'd be happy with a blanks kit in these colors. Probably just me, though. /shrug
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 30 May 2017, 12:33:50
COLEVRAK, please! I want this kit so bad, but I only type on DV, so it would be really nice to have that kit.
Heck, I'd be happy with a blanks kit in these colors. Probably just me, though. /shrug
I mean, COLEVRAK is currently active for the Yuri drop on MD and its numbers are very lacklustre - 48/100 MOQ with 14 hours left, it might still make it though if MD is willing to help put up the numbers and if they do then I can see Laser being able to offer it as well using the then already existing moulds.
Post by: rioc on Tue, 30 May 2017, 12:43:20
COLEVRAK, please! I want this kit so bad, but I only type on DV, so it would be really nice to have that kit.
Heck, I'd be happy with a blanks kit in these colors. Probably just me, though. /shrug
vote for hiragana, then you can treat it as dvorak, or colemak or anything ;)
Post by: JustCallMeCrash on Tue, 30 May 2017, 13:04:09
COLEVRAK, please! I want this kit so bad, but I only type on DV, so it would be really nice to have that kit.
Heck, I'd be happy with a blanks kit in these colors. Probably just me, though. /shrug
vote for hiragana, then you can treat it as dvorak, or colemak or anything ;)
A valid point, actually.
Post by: autobot on Tue, 30 May 2017, 13:45:08
COLEVRAK, please! I want this kit so bad, but I only type on DV, so it would be really nice to have that kit.
Heck, I'd be happy with a blanks kit in these colors. Probably just me, though. /shrug
vote for hiragana, then you can treat it as dvorak, or colemak or anything ;)
Probably the best reason for hiragana! I use qwerty myself though, so I vote for it because it looks so clean!
Post by: elfick on Tue, 30 May 2017, 14:25:51
JustCallMeCrash, MiTo has already confirmed DC/Colevrak support, see https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89079.msg2428274#msg2428274COLEVRAK, please! I want this kit so bad, but I only type on DV, so it would be really nice to have that kit.
Heck, I'd be happy with a blanks kit in these colors. Probably just me, though. /shrug
I mean, COLEVRAK is currently active for the Yuri drop on MD and its numbers are very lacklustre - 48/100 MOQ with 14 hours left, it might still make it though if MD is willing to help put up the numbers and if they do then I can see Laser being able to offer it as well using the then already existing moulds.
Vigrith, yah, numbers aren't great, but still higher than International and almost keeping up with community.
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 30 May 2017, 22:44:38
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 31 May 2017, 01:47:14
Post by: rioc on Wed, 31 May 2017, 06:32:58
(https://i.imgur.com/QR7668Y.png)
Post by: Auk on Wed, 31 May 2017, 08:50:11
really can't wait for this to drop
I'm itching to hear what MiTo''s "fantastic news from GMK" is, a drop date? or something even more juicy?
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QR7668Y.png)
Now there's a novelty suggestion nobody wants :eek:
Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Wed, 31 May 2017, 09:05:49
Post by: t4nkd on Wed, 31 May 2017, 14:26:11
Post by: jcc04 on Wed, 31 May 2017, 17:02:01
Please add 2u R4 shift key for XD60 support!
Does GMK have a 2u shift
Pretty sure GMK mods are plenty, so yeah.
Post by: ullr on Wed, 31 May 2017, 22:01:48
I'm assuming any hopes of an additional JIS support kit are out the window? Even if those few are willing to pay the roughly 7 key premium?
Well there is going to be a repoll, so Hiragana has a chance to win. If Gaijin wins, I think it is safe to say that JIS support is out of the question.
By my calculations, Gaijin would require at least fifteen additional caps to support both JIS and ANSI, whereas Hiragana only would require at three to four (Chōonpu, the correct む and ろ positions, and optionally a わ/を key) to not contradict the JIS layout.
I think GMK Yuri did it right, the Cyrillic kit was the Russian keyboard layout with additional keys to outfit ISO and ANSI layouts and it sold fine even though most people who bought it will probably never type Russian; but if anyone does want to type Russian it will suffice. I think it’s notable that Massdrop advertised their recent PBT Japanese set as good for people who want to learn the language. No doubt there will be some disappointed buyers who get their caps and realize that their new caps won’t work because Japanese people don’t use ANSI keyboards.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 01 June 2017, 00:28:35
Skipped Yuri in favor of this set and wil definitely skip any SP SA with at least 1 year estimate. Not sure about Nautilus though, but novelties will tell
If you want SA without the ridiculous wait, SA Carbon has a pre-reserved spot in the production queue to get it out quicker.
Estimated ship date is Mar 22, 2018. -- Well, technically it is less than a year, but still too long for me. The SA Strong Spirit wait time has almost undone it for me.
Post by: e_l_tang on Thu, 01 June 2017, 01:12:08
Why do Hiragana and Gaijin deviate from JIS in the first place?I'm assuming any hopes of an additional JIS support kit are out the window? Even if those few are willing to pay the roughly 7 key premium?
Well there is going to be a repoll, so Hiragana has a chance to win. If Gaijin wins, I think it is safe to say that JIS support is out of the question.
By my calculations, Gaijin would require at least fifteen additional caps to support both JIS and ANSI, whereas Hiragana only would require at three to four (Chōonpu, the correct む and ろ positions, and optionally a わ/を key) to not contradict the JIS layout.
I think GMK Yuri did it right, the Cyrillic kit was the Russian keyboard layout with additional keys to outfit ISO and ANSI layouts and it sold fine even though most people who bought it will probably never type Russian; but if anyone does want to type Russian it will suffice. I think it’s notable that Massdrop advertised their recent PBT Japanese set as good for people who want to learn the language. No doubt there will be some disappointed buyers who get their caps and realize that their new caps won’t work because Japanese people don’t use ANSI keyboards.
Post by: nephiel on Thu, 01 June 2017, 01:14:43
Post by: rioc on Thu, 01 June 2017, 02:16:08
The Euro kit is missing at least ç and ñ to support Spanish layout. Also <> but the Base kit has a <>| key, it could do.
Oh the struggle, Swiss German will never get support in international kits... that's why I'm all for hiragana set, it doesn't matter then.
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Post by: rioc on Thu, 01 June 2017, 02:18:41
Why do Hiragana and Gaijin deviate from JIS in the first place?I'm assuming any hopes of an additional JIS support kit are out the window? Even if those few are willing to pay the roughly 7 key premium?
Well there is going to be a repoll, so Hiragana has a chance to win. If Gaijin wins, I think it is safe to say that JIS support is out of the question.
By my calculations, Gaijin would require at least fifteen additional caps to support both JIS and ANSI, whereas Hiragana only would require at three to four (Chōonpu, the correct む and ろ positions, and optionally a わ/を key) to not contradict the JIS layout.
I think GMK Yuri did it right, the Cyrillic kit was the Russian keyboard layout with additional keys to outfit ISO and ANSI layouts and it sold fine even though most people who bought it will probably never type Russian; but if anyone does want to type Russian it will suffice. I think it’s notable that Massdrop advertised their recent PBT Japanese set as good for people who want to learn the language. No doubt there will be some disappointed buyers who get their caps and realize that their new caps won’t work because Japanese people don’t use ANSI keyboards.
Why does gaijin option even exist in the first place?
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Post by: pomk on Thu, 01 June 2017, 03:10:27
Because in america there is a large population who cannot touch type, but like the pleasing aesthetic of 'moon runes'. I would not call it a gaijin set, but instead a weeaboo set (as it serves no practical purpose). :))Why do Hiragana and Gaijin deviate from JIS in the first place?I'm assuming any hopes of an additional JIS support kit are out the window? Even if those few are willing to pay the roughly 7 key premium?
Well there is going to be a repoll, so Hiragana has a chance to win. If Gaijin wins, I think it is safe to say that JIS support is out of the question.
By my calculations, Gaijin would require at least fifteen additional caps to support both JIS and ANSI, whereas Hiragana only would require at three to four (Chōonpu, the correct む and ろ positions, and optionally a わ/を key) to not contradict the JIS layout.
I think GMK Yuri did it right, the Cyrillic kit was the Russian keyboard layout with additional keys to outfit ISO and ANSI layouts and it sold fine even though most people who bought it will probably never type Russian; but if anyone does want to type Russian it will suffice. I think it’s notable that Massdrop advertised their recent PBT Japanese set as good for people who want to learn the language. No doubt there will be some disappointed buyers who get their caps and realize that their new caps won’t work because Japanese people don’t use ANSI keyboards.
Why does gaijin option even exist in the first place?
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Post by: rioc on Thu, 01 June 2017, 03:22:56
Because in america there is a large population who cannot touch type, but like the pleasing aesthetic of 'moon runes'. I would not call it a gaijin set, but instead a weeaboo set (as it serves no practical purpose). :))Why do Hiragana and Gaijin deviate from JIS in the first place?I'm assuming any hopes of an additional JIS support kit are out the window? Even if those few are willing to pay the roughly 7 key premium?
Well there is going to be a repoll, so Hiragana has a chance to win. If Gaijin wins, I think it is safe to say that JIS support is out of the question.
By my calculations, Gaijin would require at least fifteen additional caps to support both JIS and ANSI, whereas Hiragana only would require at three to four (Chōonpu, the correct む and ろ positions, and optionally a わ/を key) to not contradict the JIS layout.
I think GMK Yuri did it right, the Cyrillic kit was the Russian keyboard layout with additional keys to outfit ISO and ANSI layouts and it sold fine even though most people who bought it will probably never type Russian; but if anyone does want to type Russian it will suffice. I think it’s notable that Massdrop advertised their recent PBT Japanese set as good for people who want to learn the language. No doubt there will be some disappointed buyers who get their caps and realize that their new caps won’t work because Japanese people don’t use ANSI keyboards.
Why does gaijin option even exist in the first place?
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No learning touch-typing in elementary school there then?
Post by: ..//dexx on Thu, 01 June 2017, 03:52:43
Because in america there is a large population who cannot touch type, but like the pleasing aesthetic of 'moon runes'. I would not call it a gaijin set, but instead a weeaboo set (as it serves no practical purpose). :))Why do Hiragana and Gaijin deviate from JIS in the first place?I'm assuming any hopes of an additional JIS support kit are out the window? Even if those few are willing to pay the roughly 7 key premium?
Well there is going to be a repoll, so Hiragana has a chance to win. If Gaijin wins, I think it is safe to say that JIS support is out of the question.
By my calculations, Gaijin would require at least fifteen additional caps to support both JIS and ANSI, whereas Hiragana only would require at three to four (Chōonpu, the correct む and ろ positions, and optionally a わ/を key) to not contradict the JIS layout.
I think GMK Yuri did it right, the Cyrillic kit was the Russian keyboard layout with additional keys to outfit ISO and ANSI layouts and it sold fine even though most people who bought it will probably never type Russian; but if anyone does want to type Russian it will suffice. I think it’s notable that Massdrop advertised their recent PBT Japanese set as good for people who want to learn the language. No doubt there will be some disappointed buyers who get their caps and realize that their new caps won’t work because Japanese people don’t use ANSI keyboards.
Why does gaijin option even exist in the first place?
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No learning touch-typing in elementary school there then?
Not everyone is fortunate. I'm a bit of a touch typist, I do need to look down every now and then. And luckily, I can read Hiragana.
Post by: ctrl on Thu, 01 June 2017, 06:31:13
Most keycap sets I've seen only includes 1.25u AltGr in their international/euro/norde kits, but this is really frustrating. The AltGr key is always directly to the right of the spacebar and in any 60% layout that includes arrow keys that key will be 1u.
So as it is, if I'd like a proper AltGr key, I can't have arrow keys.
Please help.
PS. I'm well aware I could just as easily replace it with a blank or a novelty cap, but I'd really like to have a proper option.
Post by: rioc on Thu, 01 June 2017, 06:37:38
Any chance for a 1u AltGr key?
Most keycap sets I've seen only includes 1.25u AltGr in their international/euro/norde kits, but this is really frustrating. The AltGr key is always directly to the right of the spacebar and in any 60% layout that includes arrow keys that key will be 1u.
So as it is, if I'd like a proper AltGr key, I can't have arrow keys.
Please help.
PS. I'm well aware I could just as easily replace it with a blank or a novelty cap, but I'd really like to have a proper option.
or with a normal 1u Alt?
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Thu, 01 June 2017, 10:07:53
I use ANSI International and on my 75% boards I just use the 1u Alt key. Anyway, in the base set there is also a 1u Hack key that could work too.Any chance for a 1u AltGr key?
Most keycap sets I've seen only includes 1.25u AltGr in their international/euro/norde kits, but this is really frustrating. The AltGr key is always directly to the right of the spacebar and in any 60% layout that includes arrow keys that key will be 1u.
So as it is, if I'd like a proper AltGr key, I can't have arrow keys.
Please help.
PS. I'm well aware I could just as easily replace it with a blank or a novelty cap, but I'd really like to have a proper option.
or with a normal 1u Alt?
Post by: TheOtherDave on Thu, 01 June 2017, 11:56:49
Because in america there is a large population who cannot touch typeThe easiest way to fix that is to not have the legends on the keycaps match what the keyboard outputs. I'm mostly hunt 'n' peck on QWERTY, but a touch-typist on Dvorak.
Post by: smt on Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:11:25
I am the same way with Qwerty & Dvorak. Having something like Hiragana mono legends would empower me to go back and learn to touch-type properly in Qwerty, which is something I've been meaning to do. Ofc, blanks would do the job just as well... but I'm buying Laser either way ;)Because in america there is a large population who cannot touch typeThe easiest way to fix that is to not have the legends on the keycaps match what the keyboard outputs. I'm mostly hunt 'n' peck on QWERTY, but a touch-typist on Dvorak.
Post by: e_l_tang on Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:18:38
There is little to no benefit to learning touch typing on a layout that predates touch typing. It's not worth your time.I am the same way with Qwerty & Dvorak. Having something like Hiragana mono legends would empower me to go back and learn to touch-type properly in Qwerty, which is something I've been meaning to do. Ofc, blanks would do the job just as well... but I'm buying Laser either way ;)Because in america there is a large population who cannot touch typeThe easiest way to fix that is to not have the legends on the keycaps match what the keyboard outputs. I'm mostly hunt 'n' peck on QWERTY, but a touch-typist on Dvorak.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 03 June 2017, 02:48:34
I'm sure it's just a pipe dream, but I think it would be cool. I guess I could always try and track down blanks in the right profiles/colors.
Post by: dodgeyhack on Sat, 03 June 2017, 08:09:41
It's a shame there's no love for hybrid... that's my favourite. Partly because I really like the look of the square bracket keys for some reason, but mostly because I think this keycap suits the more busy style of Hybrid and Gaijin (though I think Gaijin is just a bit too busy). :thumb: from me
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 03 June 2017, 08:38:05
I'm sure it's just a pipe dream, but I think it would be cool. I guess I could always try and track down blanks in the right profiles/colors.
Icon modifiers are hardly a pipe dream, GMK Yuri's icons kit succeeded handily (reaching the furthest drop point of 250, ending up at around $50 for the kit) and if MiTo would like to use the same moulds, I'm sure T0mb3ry would be more than willing to allow him to do so. This would bring down the costs a fair bit which would mean Hiragana + Icon mods should land right around or even under $100 like Yuri's Cyrillic + icons did.
(http://i.imgur.com/j3Brt49.png)
Post by: Auk on Sat, 03 June 2017, 08:46:34
Post by: ..//dexx on Sat, 03 June 2017, 09:00:07
were the icon modifiers already a standard, not used often, or were they created specifically for Yuri?
By standard, did you mean if other sets have/had them? It's not really a new thing. Most sets have them if they fit the theme.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 03 June 2017, 09:02:45
I'm sure it's just a pipe dream, but I think it would be cool. I guess I could always try and track down blanks in the right profiles/colors.
Icon modifiers are hardly a pipe dream, GMK Yuri's icons kit succeeded handily (reaching the furthest drop point of 250, ending up at around $50 for the kit) and if MiTo would like to use the same moulds, I'm sure T0mb3ry would be more than willing to allow him to do so. This would bring down the costs a fair bit which would mean Hiragana + Icon mods should land right around or even under $100 like Yuri's Cyrillic + icons did.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j3Brt49.png)
If MiTo does offer an icon modifiers kit, I'd much prefer what he designed for Canvas, a lot lot more than what T0mb3ry designed for Yuri ;D
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-mito-canvas-xda-custom-keycap-set/MD-33791_20170113015403_c32c3f5eb8a611db.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=473&dpr=1)
Post by: Auk on Sat, 03 June 2017, 09:20:18
Hiragana + Icon mods should land right around or even under $100 like Yuri's Cyrillic + icons did
If it's going to happen for Laser it would be nice if there is a complete base kit with the Hirigana + Icons substituted for the vanilla alphas and modifiers. That really was a disappointing lack of option on Yuri, I understand T0mb3ry had a sane rationale for making them an extra only but in the end Yuri sold great numbers despite landing in the middle of this exceptional run of great keysets.
By standard, did you mean if other sets have/had them? It's not really a new thing. Most sets have them if they fit the theme.
I was thinking I'd read the icon modifiers were already a thing long before Yuri, based on an international standard and maybe GMK already had the molds. I wasn't sure after Vigrith mentioned T0mb3ry allowing their use here.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 03 June 2017, 11:15:58
If MiTo does offer an icon modifiers kit, I'd much prefer what he designed for Canvas, a lot lot more than what T0mb3ry designed for Yuri ;DShow Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-mito-canvas-xda-custom-keycap-set/MD-33791_20170113015403_c32c3f5eb8a611db.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=473&dpr=1)
I like the Canvas icons a lot too. Point is, the Yuri icons were made for GMK, their moulds cost like $300 per 1u, using those would save VERY significant money and make the kit much more accessible. It's not about preference, it's about logistics.
Post by: EdwardEvad3rs on Sat, 03 June 2017, 12:50:24
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Post by: Ouhei on Sat, 03 June 2017, 13:53:20
Maybe I misunderstand the 80s but I don't see how Japanese legends are a "perfect" fit for representing the 80s. Unless people mean that Japanese legends are a perfect fit for a fluorescent colorway, then I can see how people might associate bright colors with Japan.They come in to this set from the Cyberpunk side of things. Many cyberpunk stories involve the mixing of eastern and western cultures and often use Japanese themes. See Blade Runner and Ghost in the Shell as prime examples. There's also a lot of 80's video game culture stuff in this set, which was all basically exclusively coming out of Japan at the time.
Post by: yokken on Sat, 03 June 2017, 14:56:50
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 03 June 2017, 16:47:27
Blade Runner has nothing to do with Japan but GitS, sure. I can't speak to the origin of cyberpunk, though I could see Japan being the origin since Japan was ahead of the rest of the world in technology around that time. And yes, many games came out of Japan. I still don't agree that the 80s and Japanese culture go hand-in-hand, but I can see why other people might think so.
Blade Runner the movie is not the only cyberpunk inspiration, although the most visual one. Let's not forget assumed Gibson words:
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Modern Japan simply was cyberpunk. The Japanese themselves knew it and delighted in it. I remember my first glimpse of Shibuya, when one of the young Tokyo journalists who had taken me there, his face drenched with the light of a thousand media-suns - all that towering, animated crawl of commercial information - said, ‘You see? You see? It is Blade Runner town.' And it was. It so evidently was.Even if that's a false quotation, Neuromancer says it all.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 03 June 2017, 22:09:20
I like the Canvas icons a lot too. Point is, the Yuri icons were made for GMK, their moulds cost like $300 per 1u, using those would save VERY significant money and make the kit much more accessible. It's not about preference, it's about logistics.
I must disagree, it's a balance of preference AND logistics. If it's purely about preference, everyone would get everything they would ever wanted. If it's purely about logistics, then we would get no option but the standard ones for biggest economies of scale. Given what MiTo wrote about designing Canvas, it would fit his goal of spreading the icon mods designs as well. Plus, there is never any moulds until someone get them made, so why not now? It's up to the set designer to choose which would be on offer, but I already know which one I would buy and which I would not anyways.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 03 June 2017, 23:04:16
Blade Runner has nothing to do with Japan but GitS, sure. I can't speak to the origin of cyberpunk, though I could see Japan being the origin since Japan was ahead of the rest of the world in technology around that time. And yes, many games came out of Japan. I still don't agree that the 80s and Japanese culture go hand-in-hand, but I can see why other people might think so.
Blade Runner the movie is not the only cyberpunk inspiration, although the most visual one. Let's not forget assumed Gibson words:QuoteModern Japan simply was cyberpunk. The Japanese themselves knew it and delighted in it. I remember my first glimpse of Shibuya, when one of the young Tokyo journalists who had taken me there, his face drenched with the light of a thousand media-suns - all that towering, animated crawl of commercial information - said, ‘You see? You see? It is Blade Runner town.' And it was. It so evidently was.Even if that's a false quotation, Neuromancer says it all.
Yup yup, Neuromancer for sure... i suspect the movie the other guy was thinking about was Johnny Mnemonic which also happens to be Gibson.
http://muir.massey.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10179/816/02whole.pdf (http://muir.massey.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10179/816/02whole.pdf)
Here's a thesis I found about Gibson, Cyberpunk and Japan :O.
But sure... no correlation ;) ;) ;)
EDIT: ALso, you can't forget Akira.
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 04 June 2017, 00:33:04
I must disagree, it's a balance of preference AND logistics. If it's purely about preference, everyone would get everything they would ever wanted. If it's purely about logistics, then we would get no option but the standard ones for biggest economies of scale. Given what MiTo wrote about designing Canvas, it would fit his goal of spreading the icon mods designs as well. Plus, there is never any moulds until someone get them made, so why not now? It's up to the set designer to choose which would be on offer, but I already know which one I would buy and which I would not anyways.
I think I didn't get what I wanted to across properly at the end there - I definitely agree that it is a balanced about preference(s) and logistics. What I meant with what I said was that IF MiTo were to opt for using Yuri's moulds, then it'd be significantly cheaper for us buyers to purchase the icon mods set. I didn't mean that I think we should exclude the possibility of using Canvas' icons (or any other all-new ones freshly designed for Laser), I'm all for that personally as I do prefer those to Yuri's myself, I just meant that if one were hard-pressed for numbers/profitability then using Yuri's moulds would definitely be beneficial as well as preferable over not offering any.
I also agree that if new ones can be made realistically then there is no reason why it shouldn't be done now.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 04 June 2017, 05:22:57
I must disagree, it's a balance of preference AND logistics. If it's purely about preference, everyone would get everything they would ever wanted. If it's purely about logistics, then we would get no option but the standard ones for biggest economies of scale. Given what MiTo wrote about designing Canvas, it would fit his goal of spreading the icon mods designs as well. Plus, there is never any moulds until someone get them made, so why not now? It's up to the set designer to choose which would be on offer, but I already know which one I would buy and which I would not anyways.
I think I didn't get what I wanted to across properly at the end there - I definitely agree that it is a balanced about preference(s) and logistics. What I meant with what I said was that IF MiTo were to opt for using Yuri's moulds, then it'd be significantly cheaper for us buyers to purchase the icon mods set. I didn't mean that I think we should exclude the possibility of using Canvas' icons (or any other all-new ones freshly designed for Laser), I'm all for that personally as I do prefer those to Yuri's myself, I just meant that if one were hard-pressed for numbers/profitability then using Yuri's moulds would definitely be beneficial as well as preferable over not offering any.
I also agree that if new ones can be made realistically then there is no reason why it shouldn't be done now.
Thank you for the explanation. Your point about offering Yuri's icon mods would still be better than not offering any is valid though. Looking at Yuri's icon mods prices from MOQ to lowest break, it's about $10 difference which I can take that hit if we get new designs from MiTo and it's good. Though I also do understand many others might not feel the same. I guess all we can do is to wait for update from the man's himself :)
Post by: Ouhei on Sun, 04 June 2017, 12:05:46
Blade Runner has nothing to do with Japan but GitS, sure. I can't speak to the origin of cyberpunk, though I could see Japan being the origin since Japan was ahead of the rest of the world in technology around that time. And yes, many games came out of Japan. I still don't agree that the 80s and Japanese culture go hand-in-hand, but I can see why other people might think so.Japan and Japanese culture are a huge influence on Blade Runner. A big part of Japan being a big part of cyberpunk is there was a growing feeling that Japan's economy would take over as the dominant one since they were leading the technology field at the time.
It's not so much that the 80's = Japan, but that this set draws on that part of the 80's.
Post by: isunktheship on Mon, 05 June 2017, 02:47:41
Shodan is probably too hard to represent on a small key, but I think the logo of the TriOptimum Corporation would be a good fit for the set maybe? :)Re-read the thread, how did I miss this.. obligatory +1 from me :)Show Image(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/shodan/images/1/1a/TRI-OPTIMUM-LOGO.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151109032634)
http://shodan.wikia.com/wiki/TriOptimum (http://shodan.wikia.com/wiki/TriOptimum)
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Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 12 June 2017, 08:49:21
This looks real close to nautilus minus the yellow.
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 12 June 2017, 09:00:46
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 12 June 2017, 09:54:20
They're custom colors. And Nautilus uses blue alphas/mods, while this uses purple. Only actual similarity is the cyan alpha legends; the alphas, mods, accents and mod legends are all different.I thought it was purple but I guess my screen is calibrated weird.
Now I want the set more with the purple.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 12 June 2017, 20:16:29
Colors
We are currently sampling keycaps in the official colors of the keyset, I expect to see the initial results in the near future. That's very important because some of the commissions and collaborations I've got lined up can't progress without the official colors figured out. In case there's anyone curious about the color codes, they don't actually exist. Pantones were initially used as a general reference but now we are going to match the renders, so a precise code does not exist. The colors are what you're seeing on my renders and they have some accuracy.
2u Shift
As requested by many users, there will be a 2u wide Shift keycap present on the Base Kit in order to cover layouts such as the XD60.
Novelties
The current selection of Novelties seem to be injection friendly and I don't expect to have issues with any of the particular designs. I've got a list going on with simpler designs/references to act as replacements in case we encounter difficulties and I'll be sharing those with you if needed. As a side note, some of the legends borrowed from Carbon might be replaced, more notably the High Voltage symbol which I'll swap for the Akira pill and the Skull, to be replaced by a Robocop reference of some sort.
Japanese Legends, D/C Kit and ErgoPlanck
Regarding the Japanese kit, you don't have to worry about pricing as I've got it sorted out. Speaking about the designs presented, I closed the poll once it reached about 2k votes and we all know the results. I released a new poll featuring the two winners and now we must decide which one will make into the actual keyset. Please go ahead and drop a vote, even if you voted before, in this link right here (https://mitormk.com/2017/06/13/mitos-updates-4/). Some people brute forced the last poll in favor of the monolegends, so I added an extra layer of security to the new poll - if you find a breach in the layer I ask you guys to be honest and vote just one time. There will be a Dvorak/Colemak kit added to actual the group buy. The ErgoPlanck kit will remain blank, but I'm going to offer some extra keycaps on it for extra color options.
For now that's basically it, I'm working on super cool stuff behind the curtains to ensure this will be a remarkable project to all of you. Due to the magnitude of the project and all parts involved, I can't provide you with a solid launch date just yet. But expect it to happen between the conclusion of Nautilus and November, 2017.
I wish you all a wonderful week and I'll bring more updates soon - including the visual stuff that I mentioned throughout this update (i.e. Akira, Robocop, etc.)
First of all, I love this set! Count me in, it's an instabuy! :D
I don't know of you're still taking suggestions for the novelties, but here are my 2 cents:● A small detail that is bothering me... wouldn't it be better if the Tachikoma's eyes (three dots) were centered instead of tilted? And maybe just a bit smaller? I had to read the description to notice what it was.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yusN8f0.png)
● Other suggestions for keycaps (some already contributed by other users):
- (80s) Logos from Atari, Commodore, MSX... if that's allowed
- (80s) Tron bike or recognizer
- (80s) Johnny 5 from Short Circuit - here is a quick sketch I've made with different expressions:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HccpmtC.png)
- (Cyberpunk) Robocop helmet / OCP logo
- (Cyberpunk) Kaneda bike / pill logo from Akira
I'm looking into tuning the Tachikoma eyes, the specific design you saw implemented was conceived after a screenshot sent to me, presumably from the anime. I' going to until the eyes or make them bigger in order to avoid the confusion with a bowling ball and pins.
so... are the "CAPS LOCO" caps going to be pad printed
All keycaps present in the project will be double shot, I thought that CAPS LOCO was a cool addition but if you guys don't enjoy it we can change to the normal CAPS LOCK. Let me know what you guys think and we can arrive in a final design together.
Post by: smt on Mon, 12 June 2017, 20:44:17
I'm now reading Neuromancer for the first time, and loving it.
Post by: mr scooty on Mon, 12 June 2017, 22:40:24
so... are the "CAPS LOCO" caps going to be pad printed
All keycaps present in the project will be double shot, I thought that CAPS LOCO was a cool addition but if you guys don't enjoy it we can change to the normal CAPS LOCK. Let me know what you guys think and we can arrive in a final design together.
I think I like the idea of CAPS LOCO :p
Post by: Draic on Mon, 12 June 2017, 23:41:21
so... are the "CAPS LOCO" caps going to be pad printed
All keycaps present in the project will be double shot, I thought that CAPS LOCO was a cool addition but if you guys don't enjoy it we can change to the normal CAPS LOCK. Let me know what you guys think and we can arrive in a final design together.
I think I like the idea of CAPS LOCO :p
+1
Keep the caps loco please
Post by: typischt on Mon, 12 June 2017, 23:46:14
I totally love this set, it's an amazing piece of art!
I would also suggest to leave the Caps Loco. It's a nice little detail and just.. different. And like a wise man once told me: Different is always better! :D
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Post by: FingerSuspect on Tue, 13 June 2017, 00:16:51
Post by: fouras on Tue, 13 June 2017, 00:52:12
The white ball with three dots acts like an eyeball and rotates to point the dots at whatever the Tachikoma is looking at. They aren't fixed in place, so having them aimed off to the side looks a little strange. This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNY53tZ2geg) might be a good reference.● A small detail that is bothering me... wouldn't it be better if the Tachikoma's eyes (three dots) were centered instead of tilted? And maybe just a bit smaller? I had to read the description to notice what it was.I'm looking into tuning the Tachikoma eyes, the specific design you saw implemented was conceived after a screenshot sent to me, presumably from the anime. I' going to until the eyes or make them bigger in order to avoid the confusion with a bowling ball and pins.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Tue, 13 June 2017, 03:37:46
There are already a couple of t-shirt designs that can help:The white ball with three dots acts like an eyeball and rotates to point the dots at whatever the Tachikoma is looking at. They aren't fixed in place, so having them aimed off to the side looks a little strange. This video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNY53tZ2geg) might be a good reference.● A small detail that is bothering me... wouldn't it be better if the Tachikoma's eyes (three dots) were centered instead of tilted? And maybe just a bit smaller? I had to read the description to notice what it was.I'm looking into tuning the Tachikoma eyes, the specific design you saw implemented was conceived after a screenshot sent to me, presumably from the anime. I' going to until the eyes or make them bigger in order to avoid the confusion with a bowling ball and pins.
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1vnr7QXXXXXc3XpXXq6xXFXXXR/New-font-b-Ghost-b-font-font-b-in-b-font-font-b-the-b-font.jpg)(http://www.gamebaz.com/images/ItemImage/4531894171478.jpg)
Post by: ShishKabobJerry on Tue, 13 June 2017, 05:56:40
so... are the "CAPS LOCO" caps going to be pad printed
All keycaps present in the project will be double shot, I thought that CAPS LOCO was a cool addition but if you guys don't enjoy it we can change to the normal CAPS LOCK. Let me know what you guys think and we can arrive in a final design together.
I think I like the idea of CAPS LOCO :p
+1
Keep the caps loco please
Also +1 on the caps loco. Looks great imo :)
Post by: Ouhei on Tue, 13 June 2017, 06:15:51
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 13 June 2017, 09:24:44
New Vote guys, vote vote (monolegends :cool:)
Can't believe it is only one that enters the cut, instead of giving us a choice :(
Post by: Draic on Tue, 13 June 2017, 09:53:18
https://polldaddy.com/poll/9767237/My choice would be to buy both, so this is better for Mr. Wallet
New Vote guys, vote vote (monolegends :cool:)
Can't believe it is only one that enters the cut, instead of giving us a choice :(
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 13 June 2017, 09:54:26
https://polldaddy.com/poll/9767237/My choice would be to buy both, so this is better for Mr. Wallet
New Vote guys, vote vote (monolegends :cool:)
Can't believe it is only one that enters the cut, instead of giving us a choice :(
I would buy both too, but both wont be available... in such a scenario MONOLEGENDS!!
Post by: megaforce on Tue, 13 June 2017, 11:01:33
https://polldaddy.com/poll/9767237/My choice would be to buy both, so this is better for Mr. Wallet
New Vote guys, vote vote (monolegends :cool:)
Can't believe it is only one that enters the cut, instead of giving us a choice :(
I would buy both too, but both wont be available... in such a scenario MONOLEGENDS!!
Same!
Monolegends would be sick and unique to GMK Laser.
There are already Gaijin kits out there with Oco Modern beige and enjoyPbt. *shrugs*
Post by: dubious on Tue, 13 June 2017, 11:57:32
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 13 June 2017, 12:38:06
https://polldaddy.com/poll/9767237/My choice would be to buy both, so this is better for Mr. Wallet
New Vote guys, vote vote (monolegends :cool:)
Can't believe it is only one that enters the cut, instead of giving us a choice :(
I would buy both too, but both wont be available... in such a scenario MONOLEGENDS!!
Same!
Monolegends would be sick and unique to GMK Laser.
There are already Gaijin kits out there with Oco Modern beige and enjoyPbt. *shrugs*
I know... if we don't get the monolegends on these, it will seriously be the biggest disappointment in 2017...Looks like it won't happen from the voting results..
Post by: elfick on Tue, 13 June 2017, 12:49:26
There will be a Dvorak/Colemak kit added to actual the group buy.:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: You rock MiTo!!!
D/C peeps, we *NEED* to make this happen. I know not everyone can afford to, but I'm down for buying multiple DC kits to try to hit the MOQ.
Also, D/C peeps and anyone that doesn't use US ANSI (and would buy the kit) should vote for Hiragana as the legends won't be correct for you anyway. :)
Finally, +1 for CAPS LOCO
Post by: Auk on Tue, 13 June 2017, 13:06:10
...I'm down for buying multiple DC kits to try to hit the MOQ...
I believe DC and International are going through for Yuri, so this probably won't be a problem. I get the sense there is at least as much hype for Laser.
...anyone that doesn't use US ANSI (and would buy the kit) should vote for Hiragana as the legends won't be correct for you...
I'm surprised MiTo put this to a second vote. Given it was so close before I would've made an executive decision and gone for Hiragana - much nicer than blanks for touch typists, seems like it would be just fine for Dvorak, Colemak, or any other layout. I also suspect those who need the Latin legends will just buy the base kit anyway with any novelties they can afford.
Post by: MUMU on Tue, 13 June 2017, 14:49:06
I know someone who told me that : "Don't let your high end kb be dream, yesterday you said monolegend hiragana looks cool, so just DO IT! Vote for monolegend! :thumb:"
Post by: djpolstee on Tue, 13 June 2017, 14:59:59
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 13 June 2017, 15:13:08
Guys get the hiragana there is already some set with japanese sub legend and hiragana look just so cool !
I know someone who told me that : "Don't let your high end kb be dream, yesterday you said monolegend hiragana looks cool, so just DO IT! Vote for monolegend! :thumb:"
Everyone agrees, but we still seem to be losing the voting poll :S
Most comments here/massdrop is in favor of Monos
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 13 June 2017, 15:29:03
Everyone agrees, but we still seem to be losing the voting poll :S
Most comments here/massdrop is in favor of Monos
I hate to be "that guy" but all the normies that won't even be buying either one of the alternate alphabet legends must all be voting for Gaijin - "if I do want to buy one, it will not be the mono-legend, I could never type with that". Plus surely a lot of people are worried about their touchtyping abilities and they want to have English legends to fall back on for whatever reason.
I doubt Hiragana mono will ever end up winning but I really do wish it would.
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 13 June 2017, 15:59:34
Everyone agrees, but we still seem to be losing the voting poll :S
Most comments here/massdrop is in favor of Monos
I hate to be "that guy" but all the normies that won't even be buying either one of the alternate alphabet legends must all be voting for Gaijin - "if I do want to buy one, it will not be the mono-legend, I could never type with that". Plus surely a lot of people are worried about their touchtyping abilities and they want to have English legends to fall back on for whatever reason.
I doubt Hiragana mono will ever end up winning but I really do wish it would.
You are probably right..sad sad day. Both should be offered, at increased price or such :'(
Post by: swangful on Tue, 13 June 2017, 16:03:21
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 13 June 2017, 16:06:17
I prefer gaijin. I am a touch typist but not everyone who uses my keyboard is.
What a wonderful opportunity to learn touch typing I say :p
Post by: Auk on Tue, 13 June 2017, 16:32:23
I hate to be "that guy"
If you're "that guy" then I think the majority of us here must be clones because we seem to be singing from the same hymn book...
This will probably fall on deaf ears, but anyone in marketing will tell you that polls and surveys rarely translate directly to sales. These are just one tool in the research tool bag. You must ask the right questions of the right people.
Run the poll again on Geekhack and Deskthority, but restrict participation to those active members only who were registered in 2016 or earlier, then see what happens...
Post by: Blazestorm on Tue, 13 June 2017, 16:45:55
Post by: e_l_tang on Tue, 13 June 2017, 16:48:21
Post by: swangful on Tue, 13 June 2017, 16:49:07
I prefer gaijin. I am a touch typist but not everyone who uses my keyboard is.
What a wonderful opportunity to learn touch typing I say :p
Touche :P
I agree, but sadly my family is beyond that learning point when they type with 1 finger from each hand.
(https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/HvgUoziUHGNgy61ujp6zcg--/aD0yODI7dz01MDA7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://s.yimg.com/cd/diminuendo/1.0/original/7362b2ca5a5d7517a85dde25bdefbb6098cf35e9.gif)
Post by: e_l_tang on Tue, 13 June 2017, 16:51:15
Everyone agrees, but we still seem to be losing the voting poll :S
Most comments here/massdrop is in favor of Monos
I hate to be "that guy" but all the normies that won't even be buying either one of the alternate alphabet legends must all be voting for Gaijin - "if I do want to buy one, it will not be the mono-legend, I could never type with that". Plus surely a lot of people are worried about their touchtyping abilities and they want to have English legends to fall back on for whatever reason.
I doubt Hiragana mono will ever end up winning but I really do wish it would.
It seems that almost everyone who cares enough about the Japanese kit to post about it prefers Hiragana. I hope MiTo will take this into consideration when he makes the final decision.
Post by: Koatl on Tue, 13 June 2017, 17:06:10
Post by: inosint on Tue, 13 June 2017, 17:06:50
Do the majority of keyboard enthusiasts only buy 1 keyboard/keyset to share...?
I feel like those voting gaijin would buy either if it came down to it. The people voting on hiragana however think gaijin looks busy and disorganized.
Post by: Auk on Tue, 13 June 2017, 17:08:03
Everyone agrees, but we still seem to be losing the voting poll :S
This is a bit strange, I would've thought those who voted Hiragana Hybrid (mono legend alphas + mixed numbers) would've been more likely to switch to Hiragana pure on the second vote. Not sure why Hybrid voters would lean toward Gaijin.
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 13 June 2017, 17:27:23
I feel like those voting gaijin would buy either if it came down to it. The people voting on hiragana however think gaijin looks busy and disorganized.
Good point
Post by: swangful on Tue, 13 June 2017, 17:46:07
(https://i.imgur.com/MiCxMy7.png)
Post by: Data on Tue, 13 June 2017, 19:11:09
We're here and we're watching. If we aren't posting so much it's only because we don't want to crush your dreams anymore than the poll results are already doing. <3Everyone agrees, but we still seem to be losing the voting poll :S
Most comments here/massdrop is in favor of Monos
I hate to be "that guy" but all the normies that won't even be buying either one of the alternate alphabet legends must all be voting for Gaijin - "if I do want to buy one, it will not be the mono-legend, I could never type with that". Plus surely a lot of people are worried about their touchtyping abilities and they want to have English legends to fall back on for whatever reason.
I doubt Hiragana mono will ever end up winning but I really do wish it would.
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 13 June 2017, 19:30:50
Everyone agrees, but we still seem to be losing the voting poll :S
Most comments here/massdrop is in favor of Monos
I hate to be "that guy" but all the normies that won't even be buying either one of the alternate alphabet legends must all be voting for Gaijin - "if I do want to buy one, it will not be the mono-legend, I could never type with that". Plus surely a lot of people are worried about their touchtyping abilities and they want to have English legends to fall back on for whatever reason.
I doubt Hiragana mono will ever end up winning but I really do wish it would.
You know, I was thinking about that as well. Polls like this are nice theoretically, but more than likely a number of people voting on the poll have no plans to actually buy either kit anyway, or even the general set itself. But obviously you can't make a poll where you lock people into a commitment. Maybe there could be two polls framed in a different way, like "Will you buy this [gaijin]/[hiragana] kit along with the base set if it costs $70-80?"
I think it's also a valid point that there are probably more gaijin voters who'd be willing to buy hiragana than the reverse.
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 13 June 2017, 19:56:54
We're here and we're watching. If we aren't posting so much it's only because we don't want to crush your dreams anymore than the poll results are already doing. <3
(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/64420371/yoda-simply-savage-you-are.jpg)
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 13 June 2017, 20:06:33
I'm surprised MiTo put this to a second vote. Given it was so close before I would've made an executive decision and gone for Hiragana - much nicer than blanks for touch typists, seems like it would be just fine for Dvorak, Colemak, or any other layout. I also suspect those who need the Latin legends will just buy the base kit anyway with any novelties they can afford.
Because of this:
Some people brute forced the last poll in favor of the monolegends
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 13 June 2017, 20:10:14
Will some Hiragana evangelicals brute force the poll again? Please stand up LOL
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 13 June 2017, 20:19:18
Post by: ullr on Tue, 13 June 2017, 20:46:30
Though honestly it is merely a matter of aesthetics with the present kit configuration, unless like someone else said you would prefer that fewer molds would need to be made for caps that don't contradict the actual Japanese layout.
Personally I am voting for Hiragana on the off chance that MiTo would be amenable to adding the few extra keys to outfit a JIS layout. From a purely aesthetic view, I do prefer Hiragana only (especially with the chance of icon mods) but I would be equally willing to buy a set with both Kana and Latin characters as long as it didn't contradict JIS.
Dollars to donuts if T0mb3ry held a vote over whether the Cyrillic kit for GMK Yuri should have been the Russian keyboard layout or just ANSI with Cyrillic sub-legends on the alphas, ANSI would have won. I think it just shows that there are two halves of this community with different priorities and ideas about keyboards and caps.
Post by: e_l_tang on Tue, 13 June 2017, 21:19:01
I, too, assumed that most of the people who voted for the hybrid kit would switch to Hiragana. Interesting that Gaijin is presently ahead, and like many others ITT I am a little tempted to put it down to people who won't buy the kit regardless.I like how T0mb3ry took charge as the designer and said "no, the dual legends look too busy" in the interest of the success of the set.
Though honestly it is merely a matter of aesthetics with the present kit configuration, unless like someone else said you would prefer that fewer molds would need to be made for caps that don't contradict the actual Japanese layout.
Personally I am voting for Hiragana on the off chance that MiTo would be amenable to adding the few extra keys to outfit a JIS layout. From a purely aesthetic view, I do prefer Hiragana only (especially with the chance of icon mods) but I would be equally willing to buy a set with both Kana and Latin characters as long as it didn't contradict JIS.
Dollars to donuts if T0mb3ry held a vote over whether the Cyrillic kit for GMK Yuri should have been the Russian keyboard layout or just ANSI with Cyrillic sub-legends on the alphas, ANSI would have won. I think it just shows that there are two halves of this community with different priorities and ideas about keyboards and caps.
Post by: b3rn13mac on Tue, 13 June 2017, 21:43:37
(http://i.imgur.com/YZR2ALU.jpg)
I was also thinking of a digital dash novelty, but that would be far too busy for a 1u key. probably too busy for a 1.5 or 2u key as well :/
I'd be ecstatic if there was an MR2 novelty, but that seems like quite the stretch :D Someday I'll have to think about designing an 80's Toyota themed set...
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 13 June 2017, 22:21:00
If nothing else, to me the poll should be which packages would you buy (pick all): Hiragana, Gaijin or Both
Then see which wins. I would totally buy both just to get the Hiragana set. That said, I'm not sure I'd buy just the Gaijin set cause it really is super cluttered comparatively, at that point I'll just buy more novel key packs and use em as blanks :D. I'm sure I'm not alone.
Post by: metalliccharles on Tue, 13 June 2017, 23:50:05
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 14 June 2017, 10:09:53
I assume the reason we can't have both sets is both require new legends? Otherwise I don't get it, do we think both would miss MOQ? Wouldn't offering both and letting MOQ do the elimination be better?
If nothing else, to me the poll should be which packages would you buy (pick all): Hiragana, Gaijin or Both
Then see which wins. I would totally buy both just to get the Hiragana set. That said, I'm not sure I'd buy just the Gaijin set cause it really is super cluttered comparatively, at that point I'll just buy more novel key packs and use em as blanks :D. I'm sure I'm not alone.
Pretty much how I feel, the clutter on the gaijin is just really bad. Rather wait for another set or buy something else for the alphas... It is really sad that only one is gonna be produced.
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 14 June 2017, 10:25:19
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Wed, 14 June 2017, 12:12:55
(https://paracordgalaxy.com/3188/550-paracord-purple-lotus-100-ft-made-in-usa.jpg)
Purple Lotus
I wonder if it would match this keyset. Maybe it has too much cyan?
But I like how it makes a pink grid like those 80s backgrounds (if coiled) :D
Post by: elfick on Wed, 14 June 2017, 12:22:44
I'd pick up Hiragana just to put my money where my mouth is but will pass on Gaijin as it would be worse than blanks for my layout.
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 14 June 2017, 12:37:19
I just saw this paracord:Show Image(https://paracordgalaxy.com/3188/550-paracord-purple-lotus-100-ft-made-in-usa.jpg)
Purple Lotus
I wonder if it would match this keyset. Maybe it has too much cyan?
But I like how it makes a pink grid like those 80s backgrounds (if coiled) :D
My personal opinion being that it doesn't fit it at all :p
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 14 June 2017, 12:46:53
I just saw this paracord:Show Image(https://paracordgalaxy.com/3188/550-paracord-purple-lotus-100-ft-made-in-usa.jpg)
Purple Lotus
I wonder if it would match this keyset. Maybe it has too much cyan?
But I like how it makes a pink grid like those 80s backgrounds (if coiled) :D
This one is better IMO:
(http://www.bladehq.com/imgs/knife-accessories/paracord/atwood-rope-zombie-edition-undead-large.jpg)
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 14 June 2017, 13:09:21
I'd like to see both offered just to see which hits MOQ. Though that does run the risk of neither hitting.
I'd pick up Hiragana just to put my money where my mouth is but will pass on Gaijin as it would be worse than blanks for my layout.
My thought is if this buy is going to run for two weeks, if after the first week it looks like the two are cannibalizing each other and neither will meet MOQ, you just drop one of them (if one is clearly ahead then keep that, if they're close then mito can decide).
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 14 June 2017, 13:19:42
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 14 June 2017, 13:24:11
RE paracords and cables - MiTo might have something planned for that already, he has many commissions that he will be running with artisans so I'd not be surprised at all if one of them is a custom cable made specifically for Laser that you will be able to purchase alongside the set.
I wrote to the guy making the Mechcables, and he said there would be a Laser styled cable dropping alongside the set. Not sure if this is one that Mito has arranged with the guy.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Wed, 14 June 2017, 13:27:05
RE paracords and cables - MiTo might have something planned for that already, he has many commissions that he will be running with artisans so I'd not be surprised at all if one of them is a custom cable made specifically for Laser that you will be able to purchase alongside the set.That would be great!
Now I only have to decide a case color... ;D
Post by: gooey on Wed, 14 June 2017, 18:33:28
RE paracords and cables - MiTo might have something planned for that already, he has many commissions that he will be running with artisans so I'd not be surprised at all if one of them is a custom cable made specifically for Laser that you will be able to purchase alongside the set.That would be great!
Now I only have to decide a case color... ;D
Purple bruh
Post by: Tally810 on Wed, 14 June 2017, 19:15:17
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Post by: Data on Wed, 14 June 2017, 20:01:58
I, too, assumed that most of the people who voted for the hybrid kit would switch to Hiragana. Interesting that Gaijin is presently ahead, and like many others ITT I am a little tempted to put it down to people who won't buy the kit regardless.I like how T0mb3ry took charge as the designer and said "no, the dual legends look too busy" in the interest of the success of the set.
Though honestly it is merely a matter of aesthetics with the present kit configuration, unless like someone else said you would prefer that fewer molds would need to be made for caps that don't contradict the actual Japanese layout.
Personally I am voting for Hiragana on the off chance that MiTo would be amenable to adding the few extra keys to outfit a JIS layout. From a purely aesthetic view, I do prefer Hiragana only (especially with the chance of icon mods) but I would be equally willing to buy a set with both Kana and Latin characters as long as it didn't contradict JIS.
Dollars to donuts if T0mb3ry held a vote over whether the Cyrillic kit for GMK Yuri should have been the Russian keyboard layout or just ANSI with Cyrillic sub-legends on the alphas, ANSI would have won. I think it just shows that there are two halves of this community with different priorities and ideas about keyboards and caps.
Why even bother with a poll if you're not going to make the winner?
Christ, the mental gymnastics happening over this font are embarrassing.
Post by: ..//dexx on Wed, 14 June 2017, 21:21:53
I, too, assumed that most of the people who voted for the hybrid kit would switch to Hiragana. Interesting that Gaijin is presently ahead, and like many others ITT I am a little tempted to put it down to people who won't buy the kit regardless.I like how T0mb3ry took charge as the designer and said "no, the dual legends look too busy" in the interest of the success of the set.
Though honestly it is merely a matter of aesthetics with the present kit configuration, unless like someone else said you would prefer that fewer molds would need to be made for caps that don't contradict the actual Japanese layout.
Personally I am voting for Hiragana on the off chance that MiTo would be amenable to adding the few extra keys to outfit a JIS layout. From a purely aesthetic view, I do prefer Hiragana only (especially with the chance of icon mods) but I would be equally willing to buy a set with both Kana and Latin characters as long as it didn't contradict JIS.
Dollars to donuts if T0mb3ry held a vote over whether the Cyrillic kit for GMK Yuri should have been the Russian keyboard layout or just ANSI with Cyrillic sub-legends on the alphas, ANSI would have won. I think it just shows that there are two halves of this community with different priorities and ideas about keyboards and caps.
Why even bother with a poll if you're not going to make the winner?
Christ, the mental gymnastics happening over this font are embarrassing.
I'll be happy either way. Though, the Hiragana is the dream.
Post by: Tally810 on Thu, 15 June 2017, 00:37:38
I thought I was the only one watching this cringingI, too, assumed that most of the people who voted for the hybrid kit would switch to Hiragana. Interesting that Gaijin is presently ahead, and like many others ITT I am a little tempted to put it down to people who won't buy the kit regardless.I like how T0mb3ry took charge as the designer and said "no, the dual legends look too busy" in the interest of the success of the set.
Though honestly it is merely a matter of aesthetics with the present kit configuration, unless like someone else said you would prefer that fewer molds would need to be made for caps that don't contradict the actual Japanese layout.
Personally I am voting for Hiragana on the off chance that MiTo would be amenable to adding the few extra keys to outfit a JIS layout. From a purely aesthetic view, I do prefer Hiragana only (especially with the chance of icon mods) but I would be equally willing to buy a set with both Kana and Latin characters as long as it didn't contradict JIS.
Dollars to donuts if T0mb3ry held a vote over whether the Cyrillic kit for GMK Yuri should have been the Russian keyboard layout or just ANSI with Cyrillic sub-legends on the alphas, ANSI would have won. I think it just shows that there are two halves of this community with different priorities and ideas about keyboards and caps.
Why even bother with a poll if you're not going to make the winner?
Christ, the mental gymnastics happening over this font are embarrassing.
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Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 15 June 2017, 01:02:52
All these people saying that the polls are skewed is kind of funny. Let the poll decide what wins and stop being salty.
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lol... polls are by nature skewed... else someone might have seen the Trumping coming... That's where all the math actually comes in.
For example. If this was a two question poll you could ask:
What Japanese Set Do You Prefer?
Will You Buy It?
And in that poll you could end up with 1 set receiving 90% of the the which set do you prefer. But if the only people who voted yes to "Will You Buy It?" voted for the other set... it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to produce the set that got 90% of the vote. I AM NOT saying that's what is happening here. But the "Trust the polls the polls are always right" mindset is just wrong. Adjusting polls for all different types of skew is LITERALLY what polling agencies do. They poll a bunch of data, and then they weight all of it to adjust for skew.
Post by: xantiema on Thu, 15 June 2017, 07:22:06
I thought I was the only one watching this cringingI, too, assumed that most of the people who voted for the hybrid kit would switch to Hiragana. Interesting that Gaijin is presently ahead, and like many others ITT I am a little tempted to put it down to people who won't buy the kit regardless.I like how T0mb3ry took charge as the designer and said "no, the dual legends look too busy" in the interest of the success of the set.
Though honestly it is merely a matter of aesthetics with the present kit configuration, unless like someone else said you would prefer that fewer molds would need to be made for caps that don't contradict the actual Japanese layout.
Personally I am voting for Hiragana on the off chance that MiTo would be amenable to adding the few extra keys to outfit a JIS layout. From a purely aesthetic view, I do prefer Hiragana only (especially with the chance of icon mods) but I would be equally willing to buy a set with both Kana and Latin characters as long as it didn't contradict JIS.
Dollars to donuts if T0mb3ry held a vote over whether the Cyrillic kit for GMK Yuri should have been the Russian keyboard layout or just ANSI with Cyrillic sub-legends on the alphas, ANSI would have won. I think it just shows that there are two halves of this community with different priorities and ideas about keyboards and caps.
Why even bother with a poll if you're not going to make the winner?
Christ, the mental gymnastics happening over this font are embarrassing.
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The polls had what 120 votes last time... around 200 votes now at most? If you think this is even a large enough representation of the final sales, you two must be delusional. I don't see how this set would sell under 1XXX. Just that alone tells you how useless the poll actually is. I am glad some of the other designers just took over and decided the outcome e.g. T0mb3ry. Shouldn't be left up to an unpopular (low vote count) poll.. IN MY OPINION.
Post by: Juk on Thu, 15 June 2017, 11:20:14
I have some suggestions:
- Mark the sizes of the keys (eg. 1.5U or so) on the modifiers. That is useful for people who use weird sets
- A render of the Ergodox would be useful too. Maybe even a "ergodox pro" with legends is feasible, in the SA Carbon it has more sells than the blank one.
- If you are doing themed cables, please try to include the option to match Ergodox.
- Is it possible for the ISO Intl to include Spanish? I think it would not be a lot of keys extra.(https://oblotzky.github.io/Oblivion/images/sa_oblivion_kit_21_hagoromo_international.png)
This one from SA Oblivion covers Danish, Finnish, German, Norwegian, Spanish and Swedish. - +1 to the idea of having both japanese styles on the MD, and let the MOQ decide. I think this will be a one big drop.
Thank you all!
Post by: xantiema on Thu, 15 June 2017, 15:01:00
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 15 June 2017, 15:20:13
My budget for GMK Laser just grew drastically, now that Massdrop pulled shenanigans on the SA Carbon drop. Take my money Mito, take it all.
I just hope they won't f**k up with novelties the same way they did it with Carbon warning signs.
Actually, this set a no-go flag for me on carbon.
Post by: e_l_tang on Thu, 15 June 2017, 15:26:36
It's quite clear that MiTo prefers Hiragana, so I'm not sure why he hasn't already gone ahead with it.I thought I was the only one watching this cringingI, too, assumed that most of the people who voted for the hybrid kit would switch to Hiragana. Interesting that Gaijin is presently ahead, and like many others ITT I am a little tempted to put it down to people who won't buy the kit regardless.I like how T0mb3ry took charge as the designer and said "no, the dual legends look too busy" in the interest of the success of the set.
Though honestly it is merely a matter of aesthetics with the present kit configuration, unless like someone else said you would prefer that fewer molds would need to be made for caps that don't contradict the actual Japanese layout.
Personally I am voting for Hiragana on the off chance that MiTo would be amenable to adding the few extra keys to outfit a JIS layout. From a purely aesthetic view, I do prefer Hiragana only (especially with the chance of icon mods) but I would be equally willing to buy a set with both Kana and Latin characters as long as it didn't contradict JIS.
Dollars to donuts if T0mb3ry held a vote over whether the Cyrillic kit for GMK Yuri should have been the Russian keyboard layout or just ANSI with Cyrillic sub-legends on the alphas, ANSI would have won. I think it just shows that there are two halves of this community with different priorities and ideas about keyboards and caps.
Why even bother with a poll if you're not going to make the winner?
Christ, the mental gymnastics happening over this font are embarrassing.
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The polls had what 120 votes last time... around 200 votes now at most? If you think this is even a large enough representation of the final sales, you two must be delusional. I don't see how this set would sell under 1XXX. Just that alone tells you how useless the poll actually is. I am glad some of the other designers just took over and decided the outcome e.g. T0mb3ry. Shouldn't be left up to an unpopular (low vote count) poll.. IN MY OPINION.
Post by: xantiema on Thu, 15 June 2017, 15:42:11
My budget for GMK Laser just grew drastically, now that Massdrop pulled shenanigans on the SA Carbon drop. Take my money Mito, take it all.
I just hope they won't f**k up with novelties the same way they did it with Carbon warning signs.
Actually, this set a no-go flag for me on carbon.
The Carbon set is useless without the warning signs in my opinion, I moved on. Can't wait for this.
Post by: Auk on Thu, 15 June 2017, 15:42:55
- I couldn't find any intent to provide icon modifiers, but related to this: the idea to use modifiers with words Hyper, Super and Meta is unlikely (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89079.msg2414759#msg2414759). That in itself is a pity as those might be a better fit.
- MiTo prefers Gaijin (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89079.msg2415194#msg2415194), so that would explain this second vote. I prefer the Hiragana myself, but the final call is with the designer. So instead of this second vote nonsense, focus on maximizing the overall kit with Gaijin and then see if it's possible to accommodate the Hiragana another way.
- I firmly believe Laser is going to sell 600-800 at minimum, probably well over 1000. Maybe more given it won't be in the midst of all the other major drops.
I think you can have maximum confidence in the popularity of the Laser concept. Eliminate the plain vanilla GMK standard Latin legends and basic GMK modifiers, don't include them at all! Go all in on theme and either offer two alternative base kits:
- Gaijin with Hyper, Super and Meta modifiers. If this is really what people prefer then make the theme complete and finish the overall look. Spread the cost as wide as possible and make sure everyone can get it and the novelties.
- Hiragana with Icon modifiers (use the Yuri molds if necessary.) Complete the Hiragana set with the three extra 1u keys that the JIS folk want, it will give everyone else three extra 'blanks' to play with for their non-regulation layouts.
- Don't offer a base kit at all. Just let anyone mix and match any of the Gaijin alphas, Hiragana alphas, Hyper/Super/Meta modifiers and Icon modifiers in any combo they prefer.
Finally:
- Looking at the criticism of the Hiragana renders, a complaint is that it's too bare or empty overall. After reviewing some of GMK's previous novelties, if a new mold is required there appears to be no reason they can't do centered legends similar to Signature Plastic's default? Try rendering the Hiragana in an SP style, centered and much larger. This could give the Hiragana the extra pop that some of the detractors crave. If it works better overall, GMK should make any mold set you are willing to pay for.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 15 June 2017, 16:00:52
I couldn't find any intent provide icon modifiers(...)
Mito's confirmed on Reddit (somewhere, too busy to find it now) that there will be icon mods - not sure whether they'll be an all new design or if they may use the Yuri moulds but this was 2 to 3 days ago max so we can be certain it is accurate information, more will probably be disclosed later on as he progresses the project.
Post by: Tally810 on Thu, 15 June 2017, 16:17:31
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Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 15 June 2017, 16:25:35
Gaijen is winning again. Popcorn ready
I don't think anyone is being overly defensive of Hiragana mono to the point of it being "cringy" - at least not here on GH, I really don't read reddit very much (if ever) so I can't speak for that but as Amnesia stated, polls are skewed, no matter what is winning. Arguments can be made both ways and for/against either of the options, I don't think there's anything wrong with enthusiasts being passionate about their preference; we're all weirdos that pay for plastic key caps for our fancy keyboards after all, I hardly think this is cringe.
That said, I do agree Hiragana mono people seem to be a lot more vocal. Whether or not this means there's more real interest in that than there is in gaijin is speculation, guesstimating at best. I'll personally be buying either one, I prefer mono because I think it looks a lot cleaner and will help people with alternate layouts figure their lives out but the chaotic nature of gaijin also fits the theme quite well, akin to the packed, narrow streets (mostly of Japan) seen in cyberpunk and similar sceneries.
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 15 June 2017, 16:28:28
Post by: Juk on Thu, 15 June 2017, 16:35:32
Post by: Data on Thu, 15 June 2017, 17:41:58
I actually voted gaijin myself, I just think there is a valid point to be made about poll results vs what actual sale results would look like. I do also think it'd be worth trying to sell both sets then just dropping hiragana if it's lagging too much.
If both sets receive enough votes to exceed the notorious GMK MOQ then that would be a strong case for running both of them. But it would probably have to be over 1,000 votes each because we know that not everyone who votes will ultimately buy either set. People like to vote in these web polls because it costs nothing and it's fun to choose a winner. Things change quickly when it comes time to pay up and the ratio of actually buying the set versus just voting for it is equally true/meaningful for both gaijin and hiragana in this case.
Post by: RedSuns on Thu, 15 June 2017, 17:45:15
If both sets receive enough votes to exceed the notorious GMK MOQ then that would be a strong case for running both of them. But it would probably have to be over 1,000 votes each because we know that not everyone who votes will ultimately buy either set. People like to vote in these web polls because it costs nothing and it's fun to choose a winner. Things change quickly when it comes time to pay up and the ratio of actually buying the set versus just voting for it is equally true/meaningful for both gaijin and hiragana in this case.
True story. :thumb:
Post by: fouras on Thu, 15 June 2017, 17:55:13
(http://i.pi.gy/rk7j.png)
Post by: ..//dexx on Fri, 16 June 2017, 01:41:16
Gaijen is winning again. Popcorn ready
I don't think anyone is being overly defensive of Hiragana mono to the point of it being "cringy" - at least not here on GH, I really don't read reddit very much (if ever) so I can't speak for that but as Amnesia stated, polls are skewed, no matter what is winning. Arguments can be made both ways and for/against either of the options, I don't think there's anything wrong with enthusiasts being passionate about their preference; we're all weirdos that pay for plastic key caps for our fancy keyboards after all, I hardly think this is cringe.
That said, I do agree Hiragana mono people seem to be a lot more vocal. Whether or not this means there's more real interest in that than there is in gaijin is speculation, guesstimating at best. I'll personally be buying either one, I prefer mono because I think it looks a lot cleaner and will help people with alternate layouts figure their lives out but the chaotic nature of gaijin also fits the theme quite well, akin to the packed, narrow streets (mostly of Japan) seen in cyberpunk and similar sceneries.
No drama in Reddit. No clear favorite. Both sides are surprised the other has that many votes. The most passionate post was one guy saying he'll commit Sudoku if Gaijin wins. :))
Post by: SBN on Fri, 16 June 2017, 04:29:00
I couldn't find any intent provide icon modifiers(...)
Mito's confirmed on Reddit (somewhere, too busy to find it now) that there will be icon mods - not sure whether they'll be an all new design or if they may use the Yuri moulds but this was 2 to 3 days ago max so we can be certain it is accurate information, more will probably be disclosed later on as he progresses the project.
I think you are referring to this post:
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You can be sure that things will be done the right way, if Hiragana turns out to be the actual option there will be icon modifiers to complete a minimal look. If Gaijin wins, I'll find a dope workaround for modifiers too, either way everyone wins!
Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6gwo6d/laser_gmk_updates_and_japanese_voting_link_inside/div8y72 (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6gwo6d/laser_gmk_updates_and_japanese_voting_link_inside/div8y72)
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 16 June 2017, 07:54:46
Post by: rmendis on Fri, 16 June 2017, 08:42:17
I might try this Gaijin/base combo if Hiragana loses. Think it looks a bit less busy with the triple-legend caps gone.Show Image(http://i.pi.gy/rk7j.png)
That's what I am planning on doing. I actually like that combo better than Hiragana alone.
Post by: garbo on Fri, 16 June 2017, 08:53:59
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Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 16 June 2017, 09:23:04
I might try this Gaijin/base combo if Hiragana loses. Think it looks a bit less busy with the triple-legend caps gone.Show Image(http://i.pi.gy/rk7j.png)
That's what I am planning on doing. I actually like that combo better than Hiragana alone.
Yea, that does look way better than the regular Gaijin kit in my personal opinion. The only "problem" with that solution is that icon mods + Hiragana/gaijin can cover 60-67% boards without the need for the base kit, as someone who doesn't really use anything bigger than that ever (that'll change once the Kira comes along but that'll be a while), saving $100 by not having to buy the base kit is quite relevant. Same thing as I did with Yuri, just bought icon mods, Cyrillic and spacebars.
Then again, Laser probably warrants an all in, I guess buying the base kit even with little intention of making much use of it will be worth it.
Post by: Juk on Fri, 16 June 2017, 09:34:06
I was team hiragana since it seemed they'd work best with the blank modifiers on ortholinear. After arranging the renders into a preonic shape, I'm actually thinking dual legends would look better for this...
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The more I look at this, the less I want hiragana...
Now I kinda prefer dual legends too :eek:
Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Fri, 16 June 2017, 09:42:25
I was team hiragana since it seemed they'd work best with the blank modifiers on ortholinear. After arranging the renders into a preonic shape, I'm actually thinking dual legends would look better for this...
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The more I look at this, the less I want hiragana...
Now I kinda prefer dual legends too :eek:
Yesssss. Come to the dark side!
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 16 June 2017, 11:23:16
I was team hiragana since it seemed they'd work best with the blank modifiers on ortholinear. After arranging the renders into a preonic shape, I'm actually thinking dual legends would look better for this...
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The more I look at this, the less I want hiragana...
Now I kinda prefer dual legends too :eek:
You know you want it, you know your heart calls ist name. Say it, just say it! GAIJIN!!! :p
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Fri, 16 June 2017, 11:28:21
Post by: colbs on Fri, 16 June 2017, 11:43:09
EDIT: maybe it will look real nice on the planck instead of the dox
EDIT: OK, the right answer is get two sets so it looks real nice on the planck AND the dox. gg
Post by: rustywok on Fri, 16 June 2017, 12:02:14
Finally:
- Looking at the criticism of the Hiragana renders, a complaint is that it's too bare or empty overall. After reviewing some of GMK's previous novelties, if a new mold is required there appears to be no reason they can't do centered legends similar to Signature Plastic's default? Try rendering the Hiragana in an SP style, centered and much larger. This could give the Hiragana the extra pop that some of the detractors crave. If it works better overall, GMK should make any mold set you are willing to pay for.
This. I'm ever so slightly leaning toward Hiragana but it does look sparse when formatted ala GMK legends, i.e. upper left. Be interesting to see a render SP legend style. But, seriously, if Mito already has a preference I'd rather he, the designer, take the reins on this and go with his choice. Design by committee doesn't do a lot for me, other than tweaking the kits for maximum compatibility. But it's an eternal battle over the "look" and this is where the designer should have dibs.
Post by: xantiema on Fri, 16 June 2017, 12:12:31
I might try this Gaijin/base combo if Hiragana loses. Think it looks a bit less busy with the triple-legend caps gone.Show Image(http://i.pi.gy/rk7j.png)
That's what I am planning on doing. I actually like that combo better than Hiragana alone.
Yea, that does look way better than the regular Gaijin kit in my personal opinion. The only "problem" with that solution is that icon mods + Hiragana/gaijin can cover 60-67% boards without the need for the base kit, as someone who doesn't really use anything bigger than that ever (that'll change once the Kira comes along but that'll be a while), saving $100 by not having to buy the base kit is quite relevant. Same thing as I did with Yuri, just bought icon mods, Cyrillic and spacebars.
Then again, Laser probably warrants an all in, I guess buying the base kit even with little intention of making much use of it will be worth it.
I agree with the two of you, hadn't quite thought about that option - it certainly helps the clutter. I have to admit Gaijin is growing ever so slightly on me. Hiragana is still by far my favorite, but slightly less now :)).
I'll be getting the set regardless, and would be okay with MiTo just taking the reins and deciding on a set, rather than going by the vote results.
Post by: Auk on Fri, 16 June 2017, 12:28:49
Mito's confirmed on Reddit...
I think you are referring to this post:QuoteYou can be sure that things will be done the right way, if Hiragana turns out to be the actual option there will be icon modifiers to complete a minimal look. If Gaijin wins, I'll find a dope workaround for modifiers too, either way everyone wins!...
Thanks for sharing this :)
I think the key reason I'm not so keen on the Gaijin option is because it looks like it was shoehorned in, and the net result disjointed.
fouras' idea does look neater:
...Show Image(http://i.pi.gy/rk7j.png)
Reaffirms my belief that the Gaijin option can be improved considerably. If it will have its' own modifiers to match that will be excellent.
Since that number row is going to be double shot, I assume we're looking at new molds again for these, so I will add to what I said about going all in on this concept to really complete it. So my new suggestion: redesign the new Gaijin number row without the regular secondary legends i.e. !, @, #, $ etc. Just have the numeral and the Gaijin character.
That way it can still be "busy" without being cluttered, and also becomes universal for all languages and regions.
Post by: colbs on Fri, 16 June 2017, 20:34:24
Reaffirms my belief that the Gaijin option can be improved considerably. If it will have its' own modifiers to match that will be excellent.
Since that number row is going to be double shot, I assume we're looking at new molds again for these, so I will add to what I said about going all in on this concept to really complete it. So my new suggestion: redesign the new Gaijin number row without the regular secondary legends i.e. !, @, #, $ etc. Just have the numeral and the Gaijin character.
That way it can still be "busy" without being cluttered, and also becomes universal for all languages and regions.
I actually quite like this idea, I didn't realize how cluttered the number row was until I saw that mockup.
Post by: colbs on Fri, 16 June 2017, 20:36:43
Then again, Laser probably warrants an all in, I guess buying the base kit even with little intention of making much use of it will be worth it.
Oh yeah, it definitely warrants an all in...this is the kind of set where you would regret not getting all the kits as soon as the GB period ended.
Post by: dodgeyhack on Fri, 16 June 2017, 22:36:54
edit: Oops, it was released in 1990. But still....
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 17 June 2017, 02:29:18
Post by: ArchDill on Sat, 17 June 2017, 02:32:39
Has Laser decided where this Groupbuy will take place?
Most likely Massdrop.
Post by: fouras on Sat, 17 June 2017, 13:28:11
Since that number row is going to be double shot, I assume we're looking at new molds again for these, so I will add to what I said about going all in on this concept to really complete it. So my new suggestion: redesign the new Gaijin number row without the regular secondary legends i.e. !, @, #, $ etc. Just have the numeral and the Gaijin character.
That way it can still be "busy" without being cluttered, and also becomes universal for all languages and regions.
(http://i.pi.gy/nalZ.jpg)
Looks good to me. Might actually prefer it to Hiragana.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 17 June 2017, 13:38:23
Post by: pikku-allu on Sat, 17 June 2017, 14:05:49
Post by: nightdriver on Sat, 17 June 2017, 17:43:24
Reaffirms my belief that the Gaijin option can be improved considerably. If it will have its' own modifiers to match that will be excellent.
Since that number row is going to be double shot, I assume we're looking at new molds again for these, so I will add to what I said about going all in on this concept to really complete it. So my new suggestion: redesign the new Gaijin number row without the regular secondary legends i.e. !, @, #, $ etc. Just have the numeral and the Gaijin character.
That way it can still be "busy" without being cluttered, and also becomes universal for all languages and regions.
I actually quite like this idea, I didn't realize how cluttered the number row was until I saw that mockup.
problem with that is, while i may be a touch typist for words and numbers, i don't always remember which number key i need to press to get, say, an ampersand.
Post by: colbs on Sat, 17 June 2017, 17:44:37
What better way to learn than a kit like this?
Reaffirms my belief that the Gaijin option can be improved considerably. If it will have its' own modifiers to match that will be excellent.
Since that number row is going to be double shot, I assume we're looking at new molds again for these, so I will add to what I said about going all in on this concept to really complete it. So my new suggestion: redesign the new Gaijin number row without the regular secondary legends i.e. !, @, #, $ etc. Just have the numeral and the Gaijin character.
That way it can still be "busy" without being cluttered, and also becomes universal for all languages and regions.
I actually quite like this idea, I didn't realize how cluttered the number row was until I saw that mockup.
problem with that is, while i may be a touch typist for words and numbers, i don't always remember which number key i need to press to get, say, an ampersand.
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Post by: Auk on Sat, 17 June 2017, 19:55:16
Show Image(http://i.pi.gy/nalZ.jpg)
Looks good to me. Might actually prefer it to Hiragana.
Nice! in return here are Hiragana legends at 150% original size:
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Post by: poolside on Sun, 18 June 2017, 04:11:06
so... are the "CAPS LOCO" caps going to be pad printed
All keycaps present in the project will be double shot, I thought that CAPS LOCO was a cool addition but if you guys don't enjoy it we can change to the normal CAPS LOCK. Let me know what you guys think and we can arrive in a final design together.
I favor Caps LocK.
Since that number row is going to be double shot, I assume we're looking at new molds again for these, so I will add to what I said about going all in on this concept to really complete it. So my new suggestion: redesign the new Gaijin number row without the regular secondary legends i.e. !, @, #, $ etc. Just have the numeral and the Gaijin character.
That way it can still be "busy" without being cluttered, and also becomes universal for all languages and regions.Show Image(http://i.pi.gy/nalZ.jpg)
Looks good to me. Might actually prefer it to Hiragana.
This looks indeed nice :thumb:
Post by: _PixelNinja on Sun, 18 June 2017, 05:01:29
I favor Caps LocK.+1.
Post by: patersunny on Sun, 18 June 2017, 05:37:38
Show Image(http://i.pi.gy/nalZ.jpg)
Looks good to me. Might actually prefer it to Hiragana.
Nice! in return here are Hiragana legends at 150% original size:
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Oooooo yes to this! And if there was some nice big SUPER - META- HYPER keycaps too would be perfect :D
Post by: xantiema on Sun, 18 June 2017, 05:59:21
Post by: Auk on Sun, 18 June 2017, 06:23:50
enlargened Hiragana looks out of proportions...
I thought maybe I increased the size too much anyway, and a full set of appropriately matching modifiers would be essential. Even with that, I think then we'd be looking at the F row, cursors, numpad and other keys and saying that they are jarring, so ultimately we'd be wanting a full size set of molds to make this work...
Post by: xantiema on Sun, 18 June 2017, 07:35:36
enlargened Hiragana looks out of proportions...
I thought maybe I increased the size too much anyway, and a full set of appropriately matching modifiers would be essential. Even with that, I think then we'd be looking at the F row, cursors, numpad and other keys and saying that they are jarring, so ultimately we'd be wanting a full size set of molds to make this work...
What program do you guys use for the renders?
Post by: Auk on Sun, 18 June 2017, 07:43:38
What program do you guys use for the renders?
GIMP (https://www.gimp.org/)
My system is extremely crude: starting with MiTo's highest res images, I'm just selecting areas to copy and paste and using the scale layer function to alter the legend sizes.
Version with blank alphas if you want to play with it:
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Post by: digisax on Sun, 18 June 2017, 10:06:48
so... are the "CAPS LOCO" caps going to be pad printed
All keycaps present in the project will be double shot, I thought that CAPS LOCO was a cool addition but if you guys don't enjoy it we can change to the normal CAPS LOCK. Let me know what you guys think and we can arrive in a final design together.
I could go either way on Caps Loco, but for what it's worth I'll be using a Control key there anyway.
Would it be possible to get a couple 1.5u Hack or Code keys or would that require new molds? If we had them the bottom row for an HHKB could be Code, Hack, Space, Hack, Code and it'd look great like that.
I'd settle for the icons though as they's still look nice on there.
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 18 June 2017, 10:49:01
Post by: Auk on Sun, 18 June 2017, 11:29:59
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 18 June 2017, 13:20:44
There won't be big centered legends as they look inconsistent and out of place when combined with Cherry profile keycaps in my opinion. Here's an example of somebody that applied big centered legends on a cubic profile. I won't compromise the keycap set with this look. I understand why some may like it, but I don't and every project needs somebody to call the shots, I hope you understand.
http://imgur.com/a/CrMjN
Also, I will not be modifying the number row Gaijin legends as you suggested, because the result is a weird mono(double) legend row, like a hybrid of some sort. I will keep the accents, symbols and punctuation as they are, because people who don't touch type need those. If somebody wants to achieve the look you suggested, with a less cluttered number row, they can somewhat do it by combining the Base Kit with Gaijin.
@Geekhack, compatibility revisions are pending but I designed the Gaijin and the Hiragana kits the way they are designed for a reason. The Hiragana is supposed to be a minimal kit, to be combined with modifiers for a simpler look. On the other hand, the Gaijin kit is supposed to be loud, like the streets of Neo Tokyo, cluttered with neon signs everywhere. I don't know why pad printing was mentioned but you should read OP more closely, specifically the Technical Specs section. Every keycap present on Laser GMK is doubleshot.
Another point I'd like to address is the purpose of a second poll, which is merely to provide me with data so I can work on it. When I first presented the interest check I thought people would polarize into a 90/10. Instead, what we have, after I excluded Hybrid from the pool, is a solid 50/50 or 60/40 and you'll understand why that's great later.
I ask you guys to keep being supportive and engaged like this, bringing new ideas to the discussion and spreading the word. We are going to turn this project into something very special, we are in fact doing that already! I'm currently traveling but I will return to address to more concerns, suggestions and ideas later.
Post by: schoolbus on Sun, 18 June 2017, 13:24:06
@Auk, I appreciate you taking your time to express your ideas that's truly fantastic! You made a great presentation with limited resources, great job. However, what you have presented so far does not represent what I have envisioned for the project, therefore I'll be avoiding that.
There won't be big centered legends as they look inconsistent and out of place when combined with Cherry profile keycaps in my opinion. Here's an example of somebody that applied big centered legends on a cubic profile. I won't compromise the keycap set with this look. I understand why some may like it, but I don't and every project needs somebody to call the shots, I hope you understand.
http://imgur.com/a/CrMjN
Also, I will not be modifying the number row Gaijin legends as you suggested, because the result is a weird mono(double) legend row, like a hybrid of some sort. I will keep the accents, symbols and punctuation as they are, because people who don't touch type need those. If somebody wants to achieve the look you suggested, with a less cluttered number row, they can somewhat do it by combining the Base Kit with Gaijin.
@Geekhack, compatibility revisions are pending but I designed the Gaijin and the Hiragana kits the way they are designed for a reason. The Hiragana is supposed to be a minimal kit, to be combined with modifiers for a simpler look. On the other hand, the Gaijin kit is supposed to be loud, like the streets of Neo Tokyo, cluttered with neon signs everywhere. I don't know why pad printing was mentioned but you should read OP more closely, specifically the Technical Specs section. Every keycap present on Laser GMK is doubleshot.
Another point I'd like to address is the purpose of a second poll, which is merely to provide me with data so I can work on it. When I first presented the interest check I thought people would polarize into a 90/10. Instead, what we have, after I excluded Hybrid from the pool, is a solid 50/50 or 60/40 and you'll understand why that's great later.
I ask you guys to keep being supportive and engaged like this, bringing new ideas to the discussion and spreading the word. We are going to turn this project into something very special, we are in fact doing that already! I'm currently traveling but I will return to address to more concerns, suggestions and ideas later.
Glad you clarified the pad printing thing- idk why that rumor was started (probably "fake news" propaganda by Hiragana zealots) and it had me concerned about the dual legends. I for one like the loud crowded look for them and voted as such- but when someone said they were pad printed I would've definitely voted differently.
I'll most likely be getting whatever is decided upon and glad you clarified!
Cheers!
Post by: xantiema on Sun, 18 June 2017, 14:17:36
Another point I'd like to address is the purpose of a second poll, which is merely to provide me with data so I can work on it. When I first presented the interest check I thought people would polarize into a 90/10. Instead, what we have, after I excluded Hybrid from the pool, is a solid 50/50 or 60/40 and you'll understand why that's great later.
You've got me totally hyped now, I'll buy both, bring it on :cool:
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 18 June 2017, 14:20:49
Does that include sublegends?
Won't custom legends cost a ****load?
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 18 June 2017, 14:40:55
GMK has doubleshot kana molds?
Does that include sublegends?
Won't custom legends cost a ****load?
They have neither - it will be very expensive but GMK has been quite supportive of new moulds being made lately (since Yuri, at least, inclusive, hence MD/T0m could get such low prices for icons/Cyrillic) so I actually do think it'd be very feasible for a set like Laser; if anything can pull it off, it's this.
Post by: Juk on Sun, 18 June 2017, 15:05:14
I understand why some may like it, but I don't and every project needs somebody to call the shots, I hope you understand.
:thumb:
Another point I'd like to address is the purpose of a second poll, which is merely to provide me with data so I can work on it. When I first presented the interest check I thought people would polarize into a 90/10. Instead, what we have, after I excluded Hybrid from the pool, is a solid 50/50 or 60/40 and you'll understand why that's great later.
If this means what I think, I'm buying both. Have a few boards around that may use the extra keycaps ^-^
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 19 June 2017, 10:08:23
The Hiragana is supposed to be a minimal kit, to be combined with modifiers for a simpler look. On the other hand, the Gaijin kit is supposed to be loud, like the streets of Neo Tokyo, cluttered with neon signs everywhere.
Thís is exactly what I've been saying about the Gaijin kit. Bring it on the chaos, bring it on the madness. It is loud, it is bonkers and it is the right kit for me :cool:
Post by: Data on Mon, 19 June 2017, 14:29:42
The Hiragana is supposed to be a minimal kit, to be combined with modifiers for a simpler look. On the other hand, the Gaijin kit is supposed to be loud, like the streets of Neo Tokyo, cluttered with neon signs everywhere.
Thís is exactly what I've been saying about the Gaijin kit. Bring it on the chaos, bring it on the madness. It is loud, it is bonkers and it is the right kit for me :cool:
Testify!
Post by: xantiema on Mon, 19 June 2017, 14:50:54
Having triple legends is even out of sync with the alphas.. to each their own opinions.
Don't get me wrong, it's limited what you can do to the legends to make it reflect Neo Tokyo, but this just isn't it :))
Post by: rioc on Mon, 19 June 2017, 15:15:38
Post by: dubious on Mon, 19 June 2017, 17:52:58
Keep up the good work Mito :thumb:
Post by: xantiema on Mon, 19 June 2017, 18:12:32
when does the vote end?
I dont think further vote results will have an impact moving forward, I could be wrong though :p
He is currently on vacation/travels
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Mon, 19 June 2017, 18:15:23
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Post by: xantiema on Mon, 19 June 2017, 18:16:23
Is this still looking to drop after Nautilus?
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Post by: Berzerker on Wed, 21 June 2017, 00:40:18
Post by: schoolbus on Wed, 21 June 2017, 06:29:57
Did anyone notice that there's an R4 Page Down key missing? I would assume that's what the R3 Page Up key is there to compliment...
There really isn't a standard layout for 65% / 75% so
Post by: iliptikal on Thu, 22 June 2017, 14:27:01
Post by: dblack on Thu, 22 June 2017, 17:09:07
Post by: xantiema on Thu, 22 June 2017, 18:17:42
Ah, I really don't know if I should go with Nautilus or Laser w/ the Gaijin legends.Both!
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 22 June 2017, 20:22:11
Not sure when this will hit GB or whatever, but seeing some sublegend doubleshot caps really excites me :thumb:
I personally prefer this to say yuri's all Cyrillic caps.
Post by: Lazylewis on Fri, 23 June 2017, 03:43:34
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 23 June 2017, 13:00:06
There's so many amazing sets coming out lately that I can't find enough boards for the keycaps! hope this covers a 660m at a reasonable cost, Might need to pick up one of those for this set.But there are so many nice keyboards coming down the pipe too.
M65 (r2 :O)
Zeal65
Exent
Fjell R2
UK78
Scribe
Clueboard
Kira
Aura
Etc
Etc
Etc
My wallet...
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Post by: dsaf on Sat, 24 June 2017, 08:32:59
Also would consider an all-agent-88 novelty kit for F-row - they are all amazing!
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 24 June 2017, 10:39:03
Could there be some sort of a flex-kit for F-row? I like same mods colours on them.
Also would consider an all-agent-88 novelty kit for F-row - they are all amazing!
You must realize it is the chronological order of early iterations up until the final Agent 88 icon shown on that image
Post by: mypainishurt on Sat, 24 June 2017, 10:43:24
Post by: SBN on Sat, 24 June 2017, 10:44:20
Could there be some sort of a flex-kit for F-row? I like same mods colours on them.G
Also would consider an all-agent-88 novelty kit for F-row - they are all amazing!Code: [Select]cswgg
Post by: dsaf on Sat, 24 June 2017, 12:44:36
You must realize it is the chronological order of early iterations up until the final Agent 88 icon shown on that image
To me they look like variations rather than iterations, since the quality of each is equally high.
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 24 June 2017, 13:05:26
You must realize it is the chronological order of early iterations up until the final Agent 88 icon shown on that image
To me they look like variations rather than iterations, since the quality of each is equally high.
This is explained in his blog if you want to read about it, you can find it here: https://mitormk.com/s00n/
Quote from the blog:
"In the last render you can see the iterations that I went through when conceiving the cyberspace deck terminal design that you see present on the novelties. The goggles are an implementation of the original Case’s cyberspace deck terminal design from the Brazilian limited edition version of Neuromancer – art commissioned by Josan Gonzalez.
In case you’re curious to know who Agent 88 is, for that you’ll have to wait and sea."
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 24 June 2017, 13:13:46
You must realize it is the chronological order of early iterations up until the final Agent 88 icon shown on that image
...the quality of each is equally high.
That goes to show MiTo's extensive effort and work in this project :cool: :thumb:
Post by: Gamecat on Sun, 25 June 2017, 11:33:48
Did anyone notice that there's an R4 Page Down key missing? I would assume that's what the R3 Page Up key is there to compliment...
Yes there is an R3 PgUp but no R4 PgDn, would be nice to have for sure! Also wasn't sure if "Caps Loco" was intended :)
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 26 June 2017, 02:32:13
Post by: KACHAKEYS on Mon, 26 June 2017, 18:43:28
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 26 June 2017, 20:47:18
that's a hard pass on 'caps loco' for me. there's enough ridiculous stuff in this set to make it unique without that key
I like caps loco... but if it were me... I'd put:
Cruise Ctrl
Post by: aggiejy on Mon, 26 June 2017, 20:52:49
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 27 June 2017, 00:49:04
Post by: mr scooty on Tue, 27 June 2017, 11:28:11
that's a hard pass on 'caps loco' for me. there's enough ridiculous stuff in this set to make it unique without that key
I like caps loco... but if it were me... I'd put:
Cruise Ctrl
Oh god I'd pay extra for a couple Caps Loco and Cruise Ctrl caps
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 27 June 2017, 11:42:46
that's a hard pass on 'caps loco' for me. there's enough ridiculous stuff in this set to make it unique without that key
I like caps loco... but if it were me... I'd put:
Cruise Ctrl
Oh god I'd pay extra for a couple Caps Loco and Cruise Ctrl caps
Cruise Ctrl is quite brilliant, lets see if MiTo could include this for us
Post by: Juk on Tue, 27 June 2017, 14:39:28
Post by: theillumedpanda on Tue, 27 June 2017, 15:33:38
Post by: pab on Wed, 28 June 2017, 22:08:17
Patiently waiting. Super cool set!
I'm totally in for this. Cyberpunk is my jam.
Post by: SeedyOne on Wed, 28 June 2017, 22:12:30
Post by: theillumedpanda on Thu, 29 June 2017, 05:52:28
Same here. With the increasing number of different keysets, this really stands out for me, as it has a very well-conceived theme behind it. It feels like a lot of the more recent keysets are produced with the idea of which colours could be a good match and then try to create a background/theme to it.Patiently waiting. Super cool set!
I'm totally in for this. Cyberpunk is my jam.
This is most likely going to be a first day purchase.
Post by: futurecrime on Thu, 29 June 2017, 06:46:25
Unfortunately it has Bono and The Edge in it. I'm sorry. It's only a little bit.
Post by: shekki on Thu, 29 June 2017, 11:38:14
Post by: schoolbus on Thu, 29 June 2017, 18:09:31
Initially had thoughts that I would never be caught dead with this vibrant purple scheme but the more and more that I look at it each day... :-X
and just remember if you don't get it when it drops you might never own it again unless you spend even more money to buy it second hand. You're losing money by not buying it!
Post by: XNine on Thu, 29 June 2017, 18:23:39
Post by: polentA on Thu, 29 June 2017, 18:25:50
Is there any way to keep updated on the progress so when it goes on sale I don't miss it? I need this set in my life... Actually I'll probably buy 2 :D
Keep your eye on this thread - it will probably close when the groupbuy goes live, and there will be a link.
Post by: xantiema on Thu, 29 June 2017, 19:04:59
Is there any way to keep updated on the progress so when it goes on sale I don't miss it? I need this set in my life... Actually I'll probably buy 2 :D
All you have to do is subscribe to the MiTo email newsletter/updates.
http://wordpress.us14.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=8ae5fbb639d5835d883ff7bda&id=6ad5a93a76
Post by: digisax on Sat, 01 July 2017, 13:47:50
Post by: iliptikal on Sat, 01 July 2017, 13:49:01
Is there any chance of adding VIM arrows now that GMK has the molds? Maybe in the novelties kit, they'd look great on this set.I'd be interested in these too
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Post by: jebbra on Sat, 01 July 2017, 20:57:17
Post by: ArchDill on Sat, 01 July 2017, 20:59:44
Just realized Nautilus has LEGENDS on its ergoplanck kit. Laser is really need that legend too to keep the "chaotic future" vibe burn brighter!
Those legends would probably make it more expensive right? Plus, Nautilus is getting the legends made so I assume the set would take longer to make maybe?
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 02 July 2017, 03:52:20
Just realized Nautilus has LEGENDS on its ergoplanck kit. Laser is really need that legend too to keep the "chaotic future" vibe burn brighter!
Those legends would probably make it more expensive right? Plus, Nautilus is getting the legends made so I assume the set would take longer to make maybe?
It certainly will be more expensive but a couple last set resulting in people getting legend text than blank, it even almost double on SA Carbon. The thing I'm curious is wether the price will go down when the next design use it because the "mould-making price" isn't there anymore. For the timeline, I believe Laser will still be after Nautilus on GMK production, and there will never be separated batch so the new mould will certainly be done when Laser get the production time.
Post by: dodgeyhack on Sun, 02 July 2017, 05:20:30
Is there any chance of adding VIM arrows now that GMK has the molds? Maybe in the novelties kit, they'd look great on this set.I'd be interested in these too
me too!
Post by: e_l_tang on Sun, 02 July 2017, 10:16:56
Just realized Nautilus has LEGENDS on its ergoplanck kit. Laser is really need that legend too to keep the "chaotic future" vibe burn brighter!Yes, but did you realize that Nautilus has sacrificed ergonomics for aesthetics? Apparently convex keycaps can't have legends, and therefore many thumb keycaps in Nautilus are concave.
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 02 July 2017, 23:39:21
Just realized Nautilus has LEGENDS on its ergoplanck kit. Laser is really need that legend too to keep the "chaotic future" vibe burn brighter!Yes, but did you realize that Nautilus has sacrificed ergonomics for aesthetics? Apparently convex keycaps can't have legends, and therefore many thumb keycaps in Nautilus are concave.
Ah I see. I'm not using ErgoDox tho so I'm missing that point. I believe Zambumon is aware of them already but the last couples of GB shows that ErgoDox kit with legend outperform the blank counterpart, it almost double in number on SA Carbon, so I think that justify the final decision to the legend/not.
Post by: climbalima on Mon, 03 July 2017, 11:22:21
I prefer blank planck mods myself. Nautilus is pretty awesome, but not for me because of that.Just realized Nautilus has LEGENDS on its ergoplanck kit. Laser is really need that legend too to keep the "chaotic future" vibe burn brighter!Yes, but did you realize that Nautilus has sacrificed ergonomics for aesthetics? Apparently convex keycaps can't have legends, and therefore many thumb keycaps in Nautilus are concave.
Ah I see. I'm not using ErgoDox tho so I'm missing that point. I believe Zambumon is aware of them already but the last couples of GB shows that ErgoDox kit with legend outperform the blank counterpart, it almost double in number on SA Carbon, so I think that justify the final decision to the legend/not.
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Post by: e_l_tang on Mon, 03 July 2017, 11:56:17
Planck users are affected as well. The Lower and Raise keycaps are concave.Just realized Nautilus has LEGENDS on its ergoplanck kit. Laser is really need that legend too to keep the "chaotic future" vibe burn brighter!Yes, but did you realize that Nautilus has sacrificed ergonomics for aesthetics? Apparently convex keycaps can't have legends, and therefore many thumb keycaps in Nautilus are concave.
Ah I see. I'm not using ErgoDox tho so I'm missing that point. I believe Zambumon is aware of them already but the last couples of GB shows that ErgoDox kit with legend outperform the blank counterpart, it almost double in number on SA Carbon, so I think that justify the final decision to the legend/not.
Post by: tusing on Mon, 03 July 2017, 16:44:15
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 03 July 2017, 18:19:48
Any progress updates? Absolutely can't wait to splurge on this kit when it drops!
I'm just guessing but I suspect this won't be for like 2 months.
Judging by the way massdrop has been going, I think SA Oblivion will be after GMK Nautilus. This should be what comes after oblivion. (They could totally change the order or there could be sets I'm not aware of, but they seem to be alternating GMK and SP)
Post by: BlackInk on Tue, 04 July 2017, 00:22:54
Post by: Phitness on Tue, 04 July 2017, 00:46:19
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 04 July 2017, 01:05:50
Sorry for this I didnt bother to go through any of the comments (I'm important), will this set drops once Nautilus is over?
Fixt that for you :P
Read up 1 post.
To answer your question. Yes, obviously this set will drop after nautilus and not before (nautilus has dropped now).
If however you are actually trying to ask when, we are only guessing. The most specific timeframe I believe we have been given is like after nautilus to either nov or dec. but as you can see, definitely after nautilus.
Post by: TTheuns on Tue, 04 July 2017, 19:28:18
Nautilus ends on the 20th, and I've been told that Laser drops immediately after.Sorry for this I didnt bother to go through any of the comments (I'm important), will this set drops once Nautilus is over?
Fixt that for you :P
Read up 1 post.
To answer your question. Yes, obviously this set will drop after nautilus and not before (nautilus has dropped now).
If however you are actually trying to ask when, we are only guessing. The most specific timeframe I believe we have been given is like after nautilus to either nov or dec. but as you can see, definitely after nautilus.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 04 July 2017, 20:07:43
Nautilus ends on the 20th, and I've been told that Laser drops immediately after.Sorry for this I didnt bother to go through any of the comments (I'm important), will this set drops once Nautilus is over?
Fixt that for you :P
Read up 1 post.
To answer your question. Yes, obviously this set will drop after nautilus and not before (nautilus has dropped now).
If however you are actually trying to ask when, we are only guessing. The most specific timeframe I believe we have been given is like after nautilus to either nov or dec. but as you can see, definitely after nautilus.
This is a direct quote from mito on massdrop 3 weeks ago:
Quote
Due to the magnitude of the project and all parts involved, I can't provide you with a solid launch date just yet. But expect it to happen between the conclusion of Nautilus and November, 2017.
Unless you have heard anything other than this from massdrop or mito, I am assuming it is a guess. So who said that it's immediately after?
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Post by: xantiema on Wed, 05 July 2017, 05:02:14
Nautilus ends on the 20th, and I've been told that Laser drops immediately after.Sorry for this I didnt bother to go through any of the comments (I'm important), will this set drops once Nautilus is over?
Fixt that for you :P
Read up 1 post.
To answer your question. Yes, obviously this set will drop after nautilus and not before (nautilus has dropped now).
If however you are actually trying to ask when, we are only guessing. The most specific timeframe I believe we have been given is like after nautilus to either nov or dec. but as you can see, definitely after nautilus.
Told by who?
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 05 July 2017, 13:58:30
Post by: avid on Wed, 05 July 2017, 17:02:27
What are people in the thread getting out of these?
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 05 July 2017, 17:16:35
This vs solarized dark? Already getting nautilus, but figuring what the 2nd set will be.
What are people in the thread getting out of these?
This ;)
Post by: Juk on Wed, 05 July 2017, 17:19:19
At least one unit of each kit from this :cool:This vs solarized dark? Already getting nautilus, but figuring what the 2nd set will be.
What are people in the thread getting out of these?
This ;)
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 05 July 2017, 17:55:26
Skipping nautilus. Gonna grab a few extra of this for sure. The design and effort on this design is on a whole different level :cool:At least one unit of each kit from this :cool:This vs solarized dark? Already getting nautilus, but figuring what the 2nd set will be.
What are people in the thread getting out of these?
This ;)
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 05 July 2017, 17:56:24
This vs solarized dark? Already getting nautilus, but figuring what the 2nd set will be.
What are people in the thread getting out of these?
This.
Post by: iliptikal on Wed, 05 July 2017, 18:00:08
This vs solarized dark? Already getting nautilus, but figuring what the 2nd set will be.Skipped Solarized and Nautilus personally. But I've already got GMK Skeletor, SA HyperFuse, and GMK Ocean Dolch on the way shortly. I'll be getting a full set with latin alphas and novelties from laser.
What are people in the thread getting out of these?
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Post by: digisax on Wed, 05 July 2017, 18:12:34
This vs solarized dark? Already getting nautilus, but figuring what the 2nd set will be.
What are people in the thread getting out of these?
Nautilus and Laser, hopefully I can grab a set of Yuri's Cyrillics, Icon Mods, and Novelties when it ships too.
I've got Ocean Dolch on order but I'll probably end up selling it if I can get Yuri. That'll leave me with Plum and Honeywell for sets I have in hand now.
Post by: pab on Wed, 05 July 2017, 21:18:21
This vs solarized dark? Already getting nautilus, but figuring what the 2nd set will be.
What are people in the thread getting out of these?
Nautilus and Laser. I've never been a fan of the Solarized colorway (for my text editor or my keyboard).
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 05 July 2017, 21:20:03
This vs solarized dark? Already getting nautilus, but figuring what the 2nd set will be.
What are people in the thread getting out of these?
All 3 :D
I'm scared how many GMK sets I will actually buy this year if they keep coming at the rate they are
Post by: dblack on Wed, 05 July 2017, 21:57:58
Post by: digisax on Wed, 05 July 2017, 21:59:10
I'm starting to realize I need this to play and enjoy Cyberpunk 2077 to the fullest, guess I'll be in this and Nautilus.
Gotta do a board with magenta or pink LEDs if you want the real experience.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 05 July 2017, 22:14:18
I'm starting to realize I need this to play and enjoy Cyberpunk 2077 to the fullest, guess I'll be in this and Nautilus.
You need some SP SA set to enjoy Cyberpunk 2077, I guess. They can even be both delivered to you the same month.
Post by: digisax on Wed, 05 July 2017, 22:15:16
I'm starting to realize I need this to play and enjoy Cyberpunk 2077 to the fullest, guess I'll be in this and Nautilus.
You need some SP SA set to enjoy Cyberpunk 2077, I guess. They can even be both delivered to you the same month.
Profile wise SA works, theme wise Laser is perfect.
Post by: dblack on Wed, 05 July 2017, 22:15:34
Already have SA, def prefer GMK for gaming.I'm starting to realize I need this to play and enjoy Cyberpunk 2077 to the fullest, guess I'll be in this and Nautilus.
You need some SP SA set to enjoy Cyberpunk 2077, I guess. They can even be both delivered to you the same month.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 05 July 2017, 23:36:44
Profile wise I'd even better look into dev/tty or HiPro (and theme wised too).
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 06 July 2017, 02:04:14
Post by: rioc on Thu, 06 July 2017, 02:32:08
I'd buy both really, but definitely prefer GMK. SA would look nice tho.
nonono... SA is too "soft" for this set, it has to be edgy and striking!
Post by: xantiema on Thu, 06 July 2017, 13:10:04
I'm starting to realize I need this to play and enjoy Cyberpunk 2077 to the fullest, guess I'll be in this and Nautilus.
Great minds think alike Rofl :thumb:
Post by: retrochick on Thu, 06 July 2017, 13:28:23
Post by: arhetue on Thu, 06 July 2017, 14:45:42
Post by: TTheuns on Fri, 07 July 2017, 14:56:03
Nautilus ends on the 20th, and I've been told that Laser drops immediately after.Sorry for this I didnt bother to go through any of the comments (I'm important), will this set drops once Nautilus is over?
Fixt that for you :P
Read up 1 post.
To answer your question. Yes, obviously this set will drop after nautilus and not before (nautilus has dropped now).
If however you are actually trying to ask when, we are only guessing. The most specific timeframe I believe we have been given is like after nautilus to either nov or dec. but as you can see, definitely after nautilus.
This is a direct quote from mito on massdrop 3 weeks ago:QuoteDue to the magnitude of the project and all parts involved, I can't provide you with a solid launch date just yet. But expect it to happen between the conclusion of Nautilus and November, 2017.
Unless you have heard anything other than this from massdrop or mito, I am assuming it is a guess. So who said that it's immediately after?
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Nautilus ends on the 20th, and I've been told that Laser drops immediately after.Sorry for this I didnt bother to go through any of the comments (I'm important), will this set drops once Nautilus is over?
Fixt that for you :P
Read up 1 post.
To answer your question. Yes, obviously this set will drop after nautilus and not before (nautilus has dropped now).
If however you are actually trying to ask when, we are only guessing. The most specific timeframe I believe we have been given is like after nautilus to either nov or dec. but as you can see, definitely after nautilus.
Told by who?
I thought it was MiTo that said it. I can't for the life of me remember where, though.
Post by: pab on Sat, 08 July 2017, 11:41:14
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 08 July 2017, 11:44:31
Would love to see a Colemak/Dvorak kit now that GMK has the molds. I'd be all over it. ☺️
They always had the molds for alphabetic letters, just nobody did DC kits until recently due to the low demand even in MD drops.
Post by: euphxenos on Sun, 09 July 2017, 14:15:40
Did anyone notice that there's an R4 Page Down key missing? I would assume that's what the R3 Page Up key is there to compliment...
Yes there is an R3 PgUp but no R4 PgDn, would be nice to have for sure! Also wasn't sure if "Caps Loco" was intended :)
I just noticed the missing R4 PgDn, and would like to see it added as well. It's used in the default layouts of several 65% (most whitefox layouts, tada68, saber68).
With this set, it might be better to take some of the 1U novelties and make them in R2, R3, and R4 instead of having all the 1U novelties be R1. Then you could use novelties in the correct profile for the keys in the extra column on the right of a 65%, or the 1U shift and key to the right of up on a 60% with arrows, or whatever.
Post by: Juk on Sun, 09 July 2017, 14:30:59
Post by: rehael on Sun, 09 July 2017, 14:39:04
Post by: iliptikal on Sun, 09 July 2017, 17:29:21
This idea would work well on 75% as well, with the extra row on the right, but I don't know how you could decide which ones get a new row assignment.
With this set, it might be better to take some of the 1U novelties and make them in R2, R3, and R4 instead of having all the 1U novelties be R1. Then you could use novelties in the correct profile for the keys in the extra column on the right of a 65%, or the 1U shift and key to the right of up on a 60% with arrows, or whatever.
Post by: xantiema on Sun, 09 July 2017, 17:35:44
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 09 July 2017, 20:39:09
Would love to see a Colemak/Dvorak kit now that GMK has the molds. I'd be all over it. ☺️
It will be hard because Laser has Gaijin/Hiragana. People who use Colemak/Dvorak mostly touch type and some of them (me included) just prefer matching the theme with unique alphabets rather than standard Colemak/Dvorak.
Post by: pvd on Sun, 09 July 2017, 22:10:24
People have been hyped for LASER for forever! Everything's going to hit MOQ!!! :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: iliptikal on Sun, 09 July 2017, 23:46:06
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/333829059714744340/333829113687310346/Laser-75-layout.png)
Post by: elfick on Mon, 10 July 2017, 10:27:22
Would love to see a Colemak/Dvorak kit now that GMK has the molds. I'd be all over it. ☺️MiTo has already stated that there will be a DC kit.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89079.msg2439668#msg2439668
Post by: futurecrime on Mon, 10 July 2017, 11:18:54
Another request for authenticity: I'm reading Neuromancer now (for thee 4th time, I guess) and DEX pill is definatelly octagonal.
Yep. Seems like an easy fix. Please do it!
Post by: Phitness on Mon, 10 July 2017, 21:45:14
Put something together with the idea laid out in split backspace 75% while waiting for ETF to post dead birds.Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/333829059714744340/333829113687310346/Laser-75-layout.png)
That in a pink case or maybe purple so I can use it with skeletor too. Very hype for this set, it's the first keyset GB I just HAVE to get in on.
After seeing the Nautilus ergodox set if the ergodox set had legends I'd get it even though I dont have an ergodox just in case I ever do. Not sure if there was ever talk about legends on the ergodox set but at least the molds exist now or will soon enough.
Post by: badchad on Tue, 11 July 2017, 17:52:28
Post by: pab on Tue, 11 July 2017, 18:26:42
Would love to see a Colemak/Dvorak kit now that GMK has the molds. I'd be all over it. ☺️
It will be hard because Laser has Gaijin/Hiragana. People who use Colemak/Dvorak mostly touch type and some of them (me included) just prefer matching the theme with unique alphabets rather than standard Colemak/Dvorak.
I touch type Dvorak as well, but I like my labels to be accurate for aesthetic reasons. Also Yuri had both Cyrillics + Dvorak/Colemak kits, so it should be possible to run both.
Post by: MacGruber117 on Wed, 12 July 2017, 08:05:14
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 12 July 2017, 10:28:50
Great work MiTo!
:thumb:
Post by: pab on Thu, 13 July 2017, 01:21:14
Would love to see a Colemak/Dvorak kit now that GMK has the molds. I'd be all over it. ☺️MiTo has already stated that there will be a DC kit.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89079.msg2439668#msg2439668
Oh excellent! I must've missed that in my first read through.
Post by: DanB on Sun, 16 July 2017, 23:16:44
ALso is there any possibility of hiragana monolegends being ran?
Post by: Maziodyne on Mon, 17 July 2017, 23:31:48
My wallets telling me no
but my body
my body is telling me yes
Post by: mathiasn on Tue, 18 July 2017, 00:49:46
Any chance mito of adding 1.5 r4 novelties to support tsangan?
1.5 R4 novelties needed for WKL as well!
Post by: breezebreeze on Tue, 18 July 2017, 01:08:43
Post by: avid on Tue, 18 July 2017, 09:02:16
Is there any more news? Early or late Q3? Nautilus and solarized dark are bought, so now this should complete my need for loud caps.
Post by: poolside on Tue, 18 July 2017, 16:40:00
Any chance mito of adding 1.5 r4 novelties to support tsangan?
1.5 R4 novelties needed for WKL as well!
Yes, let's have a few!
Post by: kamilakas on Thu, 20 July 2017, 02:58:11
Отправлено с моего SM-G930F через Tapatalk
Post by: pon10 on Thu, 20 July 2017, 17:37:58
cant finish the layout without that key :(
[attachimg=1]
You can always refer to this for the best minimum coverage for European layouts
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0
We need that key :)
Post by: sysfury on Thu, 20 July 2017, 18:36:36
Yooo, The nordic kit is missing a important key which is the extra 1u right of the 1,25 shiftIt's in the base kit
cant finish the layout without that key :(
(Attachment Link)
You can always refer to this for the best minimum coverage for European layouts
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0
We need that key :)
Post by: pvd on Thu, 20 July 2017, 20:47:10
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 21 July 2017, 00:20:59
:'( :'( Everyday I look at this thread and feel sad because it looks like hiragana only won't make it... the things that could have been, man.
I thought Mito IMPLIED both might happen since there was no clear leader when it went from 3->2.
Post by: jnav on Fri, 21 July 2017, 00:26:26
Post by: nephiel on Fri, 21 July 2017, 01:41:14
The Euro kit is missing at least ç and ñ to support Spanish layout. Also <> but the Base kit has a <>| key, it could do.
No, the one on the base kit has a pipe instead of a slash.Yooo, The nordic kit is missing a important key which is the extra 1u right of the 1,25 shiftIt's in the base kit
cant finish the layout without that key :(
(Attachment Link)
You can always refer to this for the best minimum coverage for European layouts
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0
We need that key :)
If the pipe was removed, that same key would fit more layouts.
Post by: pon10 on Fri, 21 July 2017, 01:41:21
Yooo, The nordic kit is missing a important key which is the extra 1u right of the 1,25 shiftIt's in the base kit
cant finish the layout without that key :(
(Attachment Link)
You can always refer to this for the best minimum coverage for European layouts
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0
We need that key :)
I Panicked , i had a bad dream about missing 1 key :-* :D
Post by: pon10 on Fri, 21 July 2017, 01:43:16
The Euro kit is missing at least ç and ñ to support Spanish layout. Also <> but the Base kit has a <>| key, it could do.No, the one on the base kit has a pipe instead of a slash.Yooo, The nordic kit is missing a important key which is the extra 1u right of the 1,25 shiftIt's in the base kit
cant finish the layout without that key :(
(Attachment Link)
You can always refer to this for the best minimum coverage for European layouts
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0
We need that key :)
If the pipe was removed, that same key would fit more layouts.
I agree, but as long as the key is there haha. But yes remove it for a cleaner look, and people who use the pipe knows is there
Post by: xantiema on Fri, 21 July 2017, 05:59:42
:'( :'( Everyday I look at this thread and feel sad because it looks like hiragana only won't make it... the things that could have been, man.
I thought Mito IMPLIED both might happen since there was no clear leader when it went from 3->2.
He did imply that actually...
Post by: harlw on Sat, 22 July 2017, 22:45:16
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Post by: pikku-allu on Sun, 23 July 2017, 06:05:36
At least all of the boards below incorporate a 1.25u blank in their split spacebar design. That would be full split spacebar support for all of these boards with the addition of only a single blank.
- BananaSplit60: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89896.0
- EXENT: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87213.0
- TX-CP: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83572.0
- YAS62: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0
- TGR-910: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86047.0
- M65-A: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86756.0
- TINA: https://kbdfans.cn/products/tina-keyboard-60?variant=38954516941 (Edit: added this one to the list as well)
- DZ60: https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/dz60-60-pcb?variant=40971616717 (Edit: added this one to the list as well)
Also, I see that the kits are missing a R1 1u backspace. That would be pretty useful to have as well, as you can practically split the backspace on almost any board. The other split half options are already included.
Post by: avid on Sun, 23 July 2017, 07:21:34
Does anyone know if there might a SA set inbetween laser and nautilus?
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 23 July 2017, 07:24:08
Nautilus is finishing in a day and id assume laser is next?
Does anyone know if there might a SA set inbetween laser and nautilus?
:rolleyes:
Post by: avid on Sun, 23 July 2017, 07:28:26
Nautilus is finishing in a day and id assume laser is next?
Does anyone know if there might a SA set inbetween laser and nautilus?
:rolleyes:
So SA Oblivion for august and laser in september then. Nice!
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 23 July 2017, 08:02:09
Nautilus is finishing in a day and id assume laser is next?
Does anyone know if there might a SA set inbetween laser and nautilus?
:rolleyes:
So SA Oblivion for august and laser in september then. Nice!
Wait where does it say Laser is in September? Cause SA Oblivion ain't in August (announcing date soon)
Post by: feediko on Sun, 23 July 2017, 13:02:21
Also please add the key ^°, like Nautilus did.
Post by: pon10 on Sun, 23 July 2017, 13:23:03
Please edit the Norde kit and add Alt Gr Layers to 7, 8, 9, 0 and the ?ß keys.
Also please add the key ^°, like Nautilus did.
Since the kits in this set is gonna be big and awesome, the best would be to add these to the base kit!! :cool:
From Wodan`s thread here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0
[attachimg=1]
Wodan`s basic Norde kit - is really the way to go. i am just interested in being able to have a full nordic layout so my keys dont have wrong legends the extra symbols here and there don't really need to be shown?
Then we don't have to cut down on the other awesome kits that's coming to the set. :eek:
Post by: sysfury on Sun, 23 July 2017, 13:33:32
+1 for wodan's ISO-International essentials.
I'm very interested in this set.
Post by: pon10 on Sun, 23 July 2017, 15:49:35
+1 for wodan's ISO-International essentials.
I'm very interested in this set.
The international kit is already there and ready to go. The Nordic lands bow down for Mito for always thinking about us :-*
Yes the pleasing is not possible for everyone so some "technicalities" here and there - but adding them to the base kit will lower the cost for international buyers and be able to get in on more novelties kits etc of the goodies that Mito is cooking up on this set - without driving the price up to much. These minimum keys based on the quote Wodan got from GMK will not effect to much of the price and everyone is happy and can get many many more caps :p
Post by: skidude9678 on Sun, 23 July 2017, 20:23:07
Post by: swangful on Sun, 23 July 2017, 23:33:27
Super excited for gaijin.
Post by: climbalima on Mon, 24 July 2017, 16:38:36
Splittable spacebars seem to be a common theme lately, and I for one really enjoy splitting anything I can. Now, I've said it before, but adding a blank 1.25u key to the spacebars kit would be a great addition.On a split backspace backspace is ussually where the pipe key. Very few boards actually use 1u backspace.
At least all of the boards below incorporate a 1.25u blank in their split spacebar design. That would be full split spacebar support for all of these boards with the addition of only a single blank.
- BananaSplit60: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89896.0
- EXENT: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87213.0
- TX-CP: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83572.0
- YAS62: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0
- TGR-910: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86047.0
- M65-A: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86756.0
Also, I see that the kits are missing a R1 1u backspace. That would be pretty useful to have as well, as you can practically split the backspace on almost any board. The other split half options are already included.
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Post by: pikku-allu on Mon, 24 July 2017, 16:59:49
On a split backspace backspace is ussually where the pipe key. Very few boards actually use 1u backspace.
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I use an ISO enter (mock me all you want), and that specific backspace placement happens to be pretty much the only viable one, and I very much enjoy splitting the backspace.
It's really not that exotic cap to include in a GMK set anyway, and would surely be nice for anyone to have the option for it.
Post by: climbalima on Mon, 24 July 2017, 17:18:13
Id rather see a row 2 one for 40% boardsOn a split backspace backspace is ussually where the pipe key. Very few boards actually use 1u backspace.
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I use an ISO enter (mock me all you want), and that specific backspace placement happens to be pretty much the only viable one, and I very much enjoy splitting the backspace.
It's really not that exotic cap to include in a GMK set anyway, and would surely be nice for anyone to have the option for it.
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Post by: pikku-allu on Mon, 24 July 2017, 17:33:48
Id rather see a row 2 one for 40% boards
That's already included in the base kit.
Post by: climbalima on Tue, 25 July 2017, 00:26:23
Post by: rioc on Tue, 25 July 2017, 00:54:08
I'm asking because I see Godspeed XDA is up on August 1st, but I can't get in on that set without knowing when GMK Laser will drop... Laser has priority, but I'd still love to get Godspeed. So when's what? My teets are depleted, not much more milking one can do on me anymore...
Post by: avid on Tue, 25 July 2017, 03:56:22
@MiTo: When's this releasing on MD?
I'm asking because I see Godspeed XDA is up on August 1st, but I can't get in on that set without knowing when GMK Laser will drop... Laser has priority, but I'd still love to get Godspeed. So when's what? My teets are depleted, not much more milking one can do on me anymore...
Dont have any info, but since mito run both XDA and this, i would GUESS that Laser will probably not be the next set in line. Probably SA oblivion.
Post by: pab on Tue, 25 July 2017, 14:07:34
@MiTo: When's this releasing on MD?
I'm asking because I see Godspeed XDA is up on August 1st, but I can't get in on that set without knowing when GMK Laser will drop... Laser has priority, but I'd still love to get Godspeed. So when's what? My teets are depleted, not much more milking one can do on me anymore...
Dont have any info, but since mito run both XDA and this, i would GUESS that Laser will probably not be the next set in line. Probably SA oblivion.
Sounds like we're a lock for October then.
Post by: rioc on Tue, 25 July 2017, 14:12:43
Ah yea. OK then, Oktober will work@MiTo: When's this releasing on MD?
I'm asking because I see Godspeed XDA is up on August 1st, but I can't get in on that set without knowing when GMK Laser will drop... Laser has priority, but I'd still love to get Godspeed. So when's what? My teets are depleted, not much more milking one can do on me anymore...
Dont have any info, but since mito run both XDA and this, i would GUESS that Laser will probably not be the next set in line. Probably SA oblivion.
Sounds like we're a lock for October then.
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Post by: ArchDill on Tue, 25 July 2017, 15:24:09
Post by: jnav on Tue, 25 July 2017, 23:42:45
That was amazing.
Post by: BAS1C on Wed, 26 July 2017, 23:46:00
Post by: darthzero on Thu, 27 July 2017, 09:09:29
Post by: Rumblehotep on Sat, 29 July 2017, 23:49:21
Post by: 17 on Sun, 30 July 2017, 16:03:31
Is this the best novelty kit ever?
It could only be better if the set was DSA so you could use all the novelties anywhere on the board. That said, this is still a definite buy for me ;D
Post by: digisax on Sun, 30 July 2017, 19:43:18
Is this the best novelty kit ever?
It could only be better if the set was DSA so you could use all the novelties anywhere on the board. That said, this is still a definite buy for me ;D
GMK > DSA, though. If this set were DSA I'd be so tempted but I can't type on a non-sculpted set anymore.
Post by: xantiema on Sun, 30 July 2017, 20:06:55
So you mean DSA > GMK :pIs this the best novelty kit ever?
It could only be better if the set was DSA so you could use all the novelties anywhere on the board. That said, this is still a definite buy for me ;D
GMK > DSA, though. If this set were DSA I'd be so tempted but I can't type on a non-sculpted set anymore.
Post by: rideh on Sun, 30 July 2017, 22:03:05
option set for vim movement keys and a terminal ~ key?
Inclusion of the two above would make this a must buy for me.
Post by: rioc on Mon, 31 July 2017, 01:26:46
option sets for WASDEF (for those ESDF of us out there)
option set for vim movement keys and a terminal ~ key?
Inclusion of the two above would make this a must buy for me.
not enough ESDF to justify that... else there should also be RDFG set...
what I'd rather suggest is a R2 & R3 arrow cluster, without lettering on it, that works for any of those
Post by: BAS1C on Mon, 31 July 2017, 01:54:38
Post by: Rumblehotep on Mon, 31 July 2017, 11:00:47
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 31 July 2017, 12:41:14
To fill the wait time, true neon eighties.
Post by: jnav on Mon, 31 July 2017, 19:09:35
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 31 July 2017, 19:13:11
Hey MiTo, would you consider centering the legends like you did on Pulse and Godspeed???
This is GMK, not SP. Their legends are always cornered rather than centred. Won't happen.
Post by: Corgi Butts on Mon, 31 July 2017, 19:14:12
Post by: ctrl on Tue, 01 August 2017, 01:40:14
Post by: Data on Tue, 01 August 2017, 08:45:26
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 01 August 2017, 08:54:28
Can it be LASER time now? :-[
NO, it's XDA Godspeed time!
Post by: Data on Tue, 01 August 2017, 09:00:51
Can it be LASER time now? :-[
NO, it's XDA Godspeed time!
:'( :'( :'(
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 01 August 2017, 21:39:04
Post by: Ouhei on Wed, 02 August 2017, 07:59:57
I don't mind the wait since my wallet gets a little fatter before I starve it :thumb:Yeah another month or two will let me recoup from having to rebuild my GSX96. In the meantime I'm really enjoying the SA Cyan/Dolch I got.
Post by: shekki on Wed, 02 August 2017, 13:27:52
Thor Ragnarok trailer... all I can think of is GMK Laser
Post by: omegafivethreefive on Wed, 02 August 2017, 23:18:23
Post by: vim_commando on Wed, 02 August 2017, 23:25:14
Thor Ragnarok trailer... all I can think of is GMK Laser
At first I was in complete disbelief that Thor could bring up thoughts of GMK Laser, then I heard this track playing:
Yup. GMK Laser. All. Night. Long.
Post by: Rumblehotep on Sat, 05 August 2017, 22:29:02
Post by: antftw1 on Sun, 06 August 2017, 03:19:25
EDIT: It seems you just need to add an R4 Pg Dn key and it'll be compatible with the default TADA68 layout.
Post by: avid on Mon, 07 August 2017, 03:30:43
What kits do you guys in thread plan to pick up?
Post by: rioc on Mon, 07 August 2017, 06:13:09
HHKB:
(http://i.imgur.com/XVjyVog.png)
60%:
(http://i.imgur.com/bJBXpIi.png)
69-Key ISO:
(http://i.imgur.com/wTLAZ0I.png)
TKL:
(http://i.imgur.com/KAsh0gt.png)
Post by: JFKroflcopter on Thu, 10 August 2017, 17:55:38
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Thu, 10 August 2017, 17:57:13
Trying to catch up with this thread - will Laser immediately follow XDA Godspeed, or is there another set planned in between?
I think SA Oblivion starts in early september. Then it might be Laser.
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Post by: Data on Thu, 10 August 2017, 19:53:02
Trying to catch up with this thread - will Laser immediately follow XDA Godspeed, or is there another set planned in between?
I think SA Oblivion starts in early september. Then it might be Laser.
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck...
Post by: Rumblehotep on Fri, 11 August 2017, 00:20:56
Post by: WilySouser on Fri, 11 August 2017, 13:48:26
Post by: jurai on Fri, 11 August 2017, 15:30:20
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 12 August 2017, 01:09:28
did an pixel arts in preparation for this sweet sweet set:
HHKB:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XVjyVog.png)
60%:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bJBXpIi.png)
69-Key ISO:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wTLAZ0I.png)
TKL:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KAsh0gt.png)
96-key?
Post by: RSC on Sat, 12 August 2017, 05:52:00
Post by: Corgi Butts on Sun, 13 August 2017, 23:46:59
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 14 August 2017, 02:07:53
Any chance the international set would include the "Ç"?GMK sets never have. From a fellow ç user
Post by: Nonster on Mon, 14 August 2017, 19:42:24
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Mon, 14 August 2017, 19:44:56
I wonder how this would look on a champagne M65A.
Can any kind soul provide a render??
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Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 14 August 2017, 19:53:44
So ready for this. Bring on the Laser!
We're getting closer. Oblivion will be launched in September and I guess Laser will follow.
Post by: tauburn on Mon, 14 August 2017, 21:59:40
Post by: rioc on Mon, 14 August 2017, 23:42:09
did an pixel arts in preparation for this sweet sweet set:
HHKB:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XVjyVog.png)
60%:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bJBXpIi.png)
69-Key ISO:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wTLAZ0I.png)
TKL:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KAsh0gt.png)
96-key?
Will do asap :)
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Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 15 August 2017, 00:53:48
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Post by: rioc on Tue, 15 August 2017, 01:46:50
thank you!
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voilà:
(http://i.imgur.com/rZMaJAC.png)
EDIT: (for us ISO nuts a WKL TKL) ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/cTGysXe.png)
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Tue, 15 August 2017, 16:48:06
thank you!
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voilà:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rZMaJAC.png)
EDIT: (for us ISO nuts a WKL TKL) ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cTGysXe.png)
These look great!
Any chance we can get a 1800 layout version? :)
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Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 15 August 2017, 21:51:06
thank you!
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voilà:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rZMaJAC.png)
EDIT: (for us ISO nuts a WKL TKL) ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cTGysXe.png)
What about 7u hhkb :P
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Post by: rioc on Wed, 16 August 2017, 01:27:46
Any chance we can get a 1800 layout version? :)
What about 7u hhkb :p
specific case-colour wish?
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 16 August 2017, 01:31:48
Any chance we can get a 1800 layout version? :)What about 7u hhkb :p
specific case-colour wish?
I'm good with whatever really. I'll have black white and purple cases by the time I get it lol.
Oh, and if possible with standard backspace. I can't get used to the hhkb one plus I like the way it looks lol. Although I'm sure that's more obscure so I'm fine with whatever :D
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Post by: rioc on Wed, 16 August 2017, 01:32:40
Any chance we can get a 1800 layout version? :)What about 7u hhkb :p
specific case-colour wish?
I'm good with whatever really. I'll have black white and purple cases by the time I get it lol.
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I'll go with purple then for the Laser hajp
Post by: rioc on Wed, 16 August 2017, 01:51:27
thank you!
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voilà:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rZMaJAC.png)
EDIT: (for us ISO nuts a WKL TKL) ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cTGysXe.png)
These look great!
Any chance we can get a 1800 layout version? :)
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oh also, which 1800 layout? The original Cherry G80-1800 layout? or compacted one of recent customs and leopolds?
Post by: rioc on Wed, 16 August 2017, 01:53:47
What about 7u hhkb :p
wannabe 7U mx-hhkb:
(http://i.imgur.com/s6TWkLE.png)
:p
EDIT: missed the part with the 2U backspace... here you go:
(http://i.imgur.com/jvsLGc8.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/oyMHdN1.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/HoyNwBK.png)
Post by: rioc on Wed, 16 August 2017, 05:57:32
Any chance we can get a 1800 layout version? :)oh also, which 1800 layout? The original Cherry G80-1800 layout? or compacted one of recent customs and leopolds?
did both:
(http://i.imgur.com/VgKuLdx.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/B2lHfKk.png)
Post by: OmegaSupreme on Wed, 16 August 2017, 10:10:19
Any chance we can get a 1800 layout version? :)oh also, which 1800 layout? The original Cherry G80-1800 layout? or compacted one of recent customs and leopolds?
did both:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VgKuLdx.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/B2lHfKk.png)
These look amazing! Thank you!
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 16 August 2017, 15:24:19
What about 7u hhkb :p
wannabe 7U mx-hhkb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/s6TWkLE.png)
:p
EDIT: missed the part with the 2U backspace... here you go:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jvsLGc8.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oyMHdN1.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HoyNwBK.png)
Many thanks :D These are great.
Post by: Tree_ on Wed, 16 August 2017, 21:36:52
Post by: derezzed on Fri, 18 August 2017, 00:32:08
Post by: Rapsky on Fri, 18 August 2017, 08:01:53
Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Fri, 18 August 2017, 08:55:57
My zz96 is ready to catch this drop
Got in on round 3 of the ZZ96 a few months back. It is earmarked for Laser when it finally arrives.
Post by: darthzero on Mon, 21 August 2017, 18:31:55
Post by: typischt on Mon, 21 August 2017, 18:39:33
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Post by: pon10 on Tue, 22 August 2017, 02:05:29
Is there a chance for an ISO Enter with the green font like the ANSI enter in the novelties R3? I love this combo!
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+1
Post by: drawnwren on Thu, 24 August 2017, 00:13:52
Post by: ArchDill on Thu, 24 August 2017, 00:39:12
Post by: fouras on Thu, 24 August 2017, 13:28:12
Also, the spacebars kit could use a 1.25u cap. It's needed for layouts like the Banana Split and DZ60.
Post by: pikku-allu on Thu, 24 August 2017, 14:07:47
Could the ErgoPlanck 2u spacebar be changed to mod-colored? People seem to prefer that on ortho boards.
Also, the spacebars kit could use a 1.25u cap. It's needed for layouts like the Banana Split and DZ60.
Yes! Finally someone else realizes this as well. It's amazing how no one seems to care about keyset support for the usual split spacebar configuration seeing how common it's starting to become.
Post by: pikku-allu on Thu, 24 August 2017, 14:12:27
Splittable spacebars seem to be a common theme lately, and I for one really enjoy splitting anything I can. Now, I've said it before, but adding a blank 1.25u key to the spacebars kit would be a great addition.
At least all of the boards below incorporate a 1.25u blank in their split spacebar design. That would be full split spacebar support for all of these boards with the addition of only a single blank.
- BananaSplit60: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89896.0
- EXENT: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87213.0
- TX-CP: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83572.0
- YAS62: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0
- TGR-910: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86047.0
- M65-A: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86756.0
- TINA: https://kbdfans.cn/products/tina-keyboard-60?variant=38954516941 (Edit: added this one to the list as well)
- DZ60: https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/dz60-60-pcb?variant=40971616717 (Edit: added this one to the list as well)
Also, I see that the kits are missing a R1 1u backspace. That would be pretty useful to have as well, as you can practically split the backspace on almost any board. The other split half options are already included.
Post by: HotRoderX on Thu, 24 August 2017, 14:51:19
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 25 August 2017, 12:39:45
Quoting myself from a few pages back:Splittable spacebars seem to be a common theme lately, and I for one really enjoy splitting anything I can. Now, I've said it before, but adding a blank 1.25u key to the spacebars kit would be a great addition.
At least all of the boards below incorporate a 1.25u blank in their split spacebar design. That would be full split spacebar support for all of these boards with the addition of only a single blank.
- BananaSplit60: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89896.0
- EXENT: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87213.0
- TX-CP: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83572.0
- YAS62: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0
- TGR-910: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86047.0
- M65-A: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86756.0
- TINA: https://kbdfans.cn/products/tina-keyboard-60?variant=38954516941 (Edit: added this one to the list as well)
- DZ60: https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/dz60-60-pcb?variant=40971616717 (Edit: added this one to the list as well)
Also, I see that the kits are missing a R1 1u backspace. That would be pretty useful to have as well, as you can practically split the backspace on almost any board. The other split half options are already included.
Adding a 1.25 blank for split space would be legendary. Mis-matched colors with splitspacebars don't look as clean. Maybe even a pink pack ;)
Post by: iliptikal on Fri, 25 August 2017, 13:02:52
Quoting myself from a few pages back:Splittable spacebars seem to be a common theme lately, and I for one really enjoy splitting anything I can. Now, I've said it before, but adding a blank 1.25u key to the spacebars kit would be a great addition.
At least all of the boards below incorporate a 1.25u blank in their split spacebar design. That would be full split spacebar support for all of these boards with the addition of only a single blank.
- BananaSplit60: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89896.0
- EXENT: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87213.0
- TX-CP: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83572.0
- YAS62: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0
- TGR-910: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86047.0
- M65-A: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86756.0
- TINA: https://kbdfans.cn/products/tina-keyboard-60?variant=38954516941 (Edit: added this one to the list as well)
- DZ60: https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/dz60-60-pcb?variant=40971616717 (Edit: added this one to the list as well)
Also, I see that the kits are missing a R1 1u backspace. That would be pretty useful to have as well, as you can practically split the backspace on almost any board. The other split half options are already included.
Adding a 1.25 blank for split space would be legendary. Mis-matched colors with splitspacebars don't look as clean. Maybe even a pink pack ;)
Just to play devils advocate for a moment; The novelties kit already has 4 1.25u keys that you could use in a split space layout like that. So even if it's not added you won't be totally left out.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 25 August 2017, 13:07:00
the only question i need answered: when?
Post by: pikku-allu on Fri, 25 August 2017, 13:07:47
Just to play devils advocate for a moment; The novelties kit already has 4 1.25u keys that you could use in a split space layout like that. So even if it's not added you won't be totally left out.
The novelty 1.25u keys are not the right color either.
Post by: iliptikal on Fri, 25 August 2017, 13:16:14
Just to play devils advocate for a moment; The novelties kit already has 4 1.25u keys that you could use in a split space layout like that. So even if it's not added you won't be totally left out.
The novelty 1.25u keys are not the right color either.
Welp, somehow missed that. I understand what you mean now.
Post by: avid on Fri, 25 August 2017, 13:19:58
does the project have a timeline yet?
the only question i need answered: when?
SA oblivion is next up on massdrop. After that i hope its laser. Since soon has been answered for a long time i would guess thats the most likely scenario.
If its not laser, then it will take plenty of time to next MD GMK drop (q1 18?).
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 25 August 2017, 13:21:20
does the project have a timeline yet?
the only question i need answered: when?
SA oblivion is next up on massdrop. After that i hope its laser. Since soon has been answered for a long time i would guess thats the most likely scenario.
If its not laser, then it will take plenty of time to next MD GMK drop (q1 18?).
yeah, where is mito to answer this? i'm getting tired of the speculation
Post by: euphxenos on Fri, 25 August 2017, 13:23:09
Post by: iliptikal on Fri, 25 August 2017, 13:40:42
Mito hasn't posted in this thread in over two months.
He's somewhat active in the Massdrop discussion.
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 25 August 2017, 13:58:03
Quoting myself from a few pages back:Splittable spacebars seem to be a common theme lately, and I for one really enjoy splitting anything I can. Now, I've said it before, but adding a blank 1.25u key to the spacebars kit would be a great addition.
At least all of the boards below incorporate a 1.25u blank in their split spacebar design. That would be full split spacebar support for all of these boards with the addition of only a single blank.
- BananaSplit60: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89896.0
- EXENT: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87213.0
- TX-CP: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83572.0
- YAS62: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0
- TGR-910: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86047.0
- M65-A: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86756.0
- TINA: https://kbdfans.cn/products/tina-keyboard-60?variant=38954516941 (Edit: added this one to the list as well)
- DZ60: https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/dz60-60-pcb?variant=40971616717 (Edit: added this one to the list as well)
Also, I see that the kits are missing a R1 1u backspace. That would be pretty useful to have as well, as you can practically split the backspace on almost any board. The other split half options are already included.
Adding a 1.25 blank for split space would be legendary. Mis-matched colors with splitspacebars don't look as clean. Maybe even a pink pack ;)
Just to play devils advocate for a moment; The novelties kit already has 4 1.25u keys that you could use in a split space layout like that. So even if it's not added you won't be totally left out.
Oh I completely understand and I am fine with that. That's what I've been doing for the rest of my Banana's. Just would be something cool to see with how large this gb will be.
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 26 August 2017, 19:08:35
That said, the UPS parcel arrived yesterday with a batch of color samples straight from GMK. I was excited to share the pictures with everyone, however to my surprise the samples I received were from switchnollie's project. I already contacted GMK and they sorted it out, I'm gonna be receiving the actual real Laser samples soon.
I'm gonna keep working on the kits and the commissions we are preparing, meanwhile you can see this cool assembly with an imaginary M65-A.
(http://i.imgur.com/eHYrvqf.jpg)
Post by: packman86 on Sat, 26 August 2017, 19:12:49
Any chance the Ergodox kit will get legends?
I have been heavily engaged on the development of the Laser project together with the manufacturer and several other parties in order to deliver the vision for the community in it's best possible form. I read the replies here everyday, all suggestions are considered and were either worked on or are being worked on. A lack of reply does not mean I didn't acknowledge what the community had said, as I carefully read the thread, e-mails and messages everyday so I can update my Evernote with tweaks. It's easier for me to take this route, because this way I can laser focus on getting actual work/progress done since I've been handling other intensive and super exciting mech projects as well. As a side note, thanks for all the support and enthusiasm I hope you enjoy what's coming next.
That said, the UPS parcel arrived yesterday with a batch of color samples straight from GMK. I was excited to share the pictures with everyone, however to my surprise the samples I received were from switchnollie's project. I already contacted GMK and they sorted it out, I'm gonna be receiving the actual real Laser samples soon.
I'm gonna keep working on the kits and the commissions we are preparing, meanwhile you can see this cool assembly with an imaginary M65-A.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eHYrvqf.jpg)
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 26 August 2017, 19:17:57
This set looks awesome, MiTo.
Any chance the Ergodox kit will get legends?
I am studying the possibility of offering ErgoBlanck and ErgoPlanck kits.
Post by: e_l_tang on Sun, 27 August 2017, 12:15:16
This set looks awesome, MiTo.
Any chance the Ergodox kit will get legends?
I am studying the possibility of offering ErgoBlanck and ErgoPlanck kits.
Are you still planning to make their thumb keycaps convex?
Post by: ctrl on Mon, 28 August 2017, 01:32:57
Quoting myself from a few pages back:Splittable spacebars seem to be a common theme lately, and I for one really enjoy splitting anything I can. Now, I've said it before, but adding a blank 1.25u key to the spacebars kit would be a great addition.
At least all of the boards below incorporate a 1.25u blank in their split spacebar design. That would be full split spacebar support for all of these boards with the addition of only a single blank.
- BananaSplit60: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89896.0
- EXENT: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87213.0
- TX-CP: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83572.0
- YAS62: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0
- TGR-910: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86047.0
- M65-A: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86756.0
- TINA: https://kbdfans.cn/products/tina-keyboard-60?variant=38954516941 (Edit: added this one to the list as well)
- DZ60: https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/dz60-60-pcb?variant=40971616717 (Edit: added this one to the list as well)
Also, I see that the kits are missing a R1 1u backspace. That would be pretty useful to have as well, as you can practically split the backspace on almost any board. The other split half options are already included.
Adding a 1.25 blank for split space would be legendary. Mis-matched colors with splitspacebars don't look as clean. Maybe even a pink pack ;)
+1
I requested this with SA Oblivion and was really happy to see Oblotzky add it (in several colorways as well!). It would be great if this could catch on with more keysets. PCBs with split spacebar support are only increasing it seems.
Post by: Data on Mon, 28 August 2017, 07:03:10
I have been heavily engaged on the development of the Laser project together with the manufacturer and several other parties in order to deliver the vision for the community in it's best possible form. I read the replies here everyday, all suggestions are considered and were either worked on or are being worked on. A lack of reply does not mean I didn't acknowledge what the community had said, as I carefully read the thread, e-mails and messages everyday so I can update my Evernote with tweaks. It's easier for me to take this route, because this way I can laser focus on getting actual work/progress done since I've been handling other intensive and super exciting mech projects as well. As a side note, thanks for all the support and enthusiasm I hope you enjoy what's coming next.
That said, the UPS parcel arrived yesterday with a batch of color samples straight from GMK. I was excited to share the pictures with everyone, however to my surprise the samples I received were from switchnollie's project. I already contacted GMK and they sorted it out, I'm gonna be receiving the actual real Laser samples soon.
I'm gonna keep working on the kits and the commissions we are preparing, meanwhile you can see this cool assembly with an imaginary M65-A.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eHYrvqf.jpg)
OK, but when? It's been a year since this was first pitched. Should we expect a 2017 group buy? Strike while the iron is hot, MiTo. Hype doesn't last forever.
Post by: Broadwell on Mon, 28 August 2017, 07:29:55
OK, but when? It's been a year since this was first pitched. Should we expect a 2017 group buy? Strike while the iron is hot, MiTo. Hype doesn't last forever.
Speak for yourself, I'll wait 4 more years for this bad boy.
Not that I want to.
Post by: Data on Mon, 28 August 2017, 09:39:23
OK, but when? It's been a year since this was first pitched. Should we expect a 2017 group buy? Strike while the iron is hot, MiTo. Hype doesn't last forever.
Speak for yourself, I'll wait 4 more years for this bad boy.
Not that I want to.
One man doth not a hype make.
Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Mon, 28 August 2017, 10:01:24
OK, but when? It's been a year since this was first pitched. Should we expect a 2017 group buy? Strike while the iron is hot, MiTo. Hype doesn't last forever.
Speak for yourself, I'll wait 4 more years for this bad boy.
Not that I want to.
One man doth not a hype make.
I'd rather have him take his time and make a set with thoughtful novelties and a high degree of compatibility than have him rush and put out a mediocre base kit. Things rarely live up to their max hype anyways so might as well take your time and make something of high quality.
Post by: Ouhei on Mon, 28 August 2017, 10:11:51
Yeah, I have keys that will hold me over until this comes out, the is honestly the only set I've seen where I actually care about the novelties and extra kits so if it takes a month or two longer I'm good with it.OK, but when? It's been a year since this was first pitched. Should we expect a 2017 group buy? Strike while the iron is hot, MiTo. Hype doesn't last forever.
Speak for yourself, I'll wait 4 more years for this bad boy.
Not that I want to.
One man doth not a hype make.
I'd rather have him take his time and make a set with thoughtful novelties and a high degree of compatibility than have him rush and put out a mediocre base kit. Things rarely live up to their max hype anyways so might as well take your time and make something of high quality.
Post by: Data on Mon, 28 August 2017, 10:26:07
OK, but when? It's been a year since this was first pitched. Should we expect a 2017 group buy? Strike while the iron is hot, MiTo. Hype doesn't last forever.
Speak for yourself, I'll wait 4 more years for this bad boy.
Not that I want to.
One man doth not a hype make.
I'd rather have him take his time and make a set with thoughtful novelties and a high degree of compatibility than have him rush and put out a mediocre base kit. Things rarely live up to their max hype anyways so might as well take your time and make something of high quality.
I hear this all the time now and it's infuriating. Don't be a fanboy.
Good things are worth waiting for, yes. There's also such a thing as "window of opportunity". Creating the perfect set means nothing if you can't meet MOQ because all your fans lost interest.
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 28 August 2017, 10:54:46
OK, but when? It's been a year since this was first pitched. Should we expect a 2017 group buy? Strike while the iron is hot, MiTo. Hype doesn't last forever.
Speak for yourself, I'll wait 4 more years for this bad boy.
Not that I want to.
One man doth not a hype make.
I'd rather have him take his time and make a set with thoughtful novelties and a high degree of compatibility than have him rush and put out a mediocre base kit. Things rarely live up to their max hype anyways so might as well take your time and make something of high quality.
I hear this all the time now and it's infuriating. Don't be a fanboy.
Good things are worth waiting for, yes. There's also such a thing as "window of opportunity". Creating the perfect set means nothing if you can't meet MOQ because all your fans lost interest.
+1
Hype trains certainly don't last forever...
Post by: avid on Mon, 28 August 2017, 11:01:28
Post by: holtenc on Mon, 28 August 2017, 11:14:32
.... It's easier for me to take this route, because this way I can laser focus on getting actual work/progress.....
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 28 August 2017, 11:15:56
Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Mon, 28 August 2017, 11:27:20
OK, but when? It's been a year since this was first pitched. Should we expect a 2017 group buy? Strike while the iron is hot, MiTo. Hype doesn't last forever.
Speak for yourself, I'll wait 4 more years for this bad boy.
Not that I want to.
One man doth not a hype make.
I'd rather have him take his time and make a set with thoughtful novelties and a high degree of compatibility than have him rush and put out a mediocre base kit. Things rarely live up to their max hype anyways so might as well take your time and make something of high quality.
I hear this all the time now and it's infuriating. Don't be a fanboy.
Good things are worth waiting for, yes. There's also such a thing as "window of opportunity". Creating the perfect set means nothing if you can't meet MOQ because all your fans lost interest.
Wanting a quality set hardly makes me a fanboy. If this goes on MD like we all assume it is, the chances of it missing MOQ are slim to none. Nautilus took it's time to launch and it absolutely crushed it's MOQ to the point where the base kit was $99. Making a base kit that has great compatibility for a reasonable price will only make the sales for this set stronger. Also I'm pretty sure that MiTo said the window for launch was between the end of Nautilus and November and my money is on October after SA Oblivion is over.
Edit: As I was typing this reply MiTo confirms Q4! My hype is renewed!
Post by: iliptikal on Mon, 28 August 2017, 11:32:06
What we are creating is something truly special, the interest check has been exciting but you ain't seen nothing. GMK and I are working together and trying some stuff that wasn't exactly attempted before. Not to mention that the project expanded to things that go beyond a keyset. Just a couple more weeks and you'll be introduced to the universe. It's coming this Q4, the schedule didn't change.
We ain't seen nothing?!?! Now you've really got my attention :eek:
Post by: Corgi Butts on Mon, 28 August 2017, 12:30:51
Post by: Data on Mon, 28 August 2017, 12:49:17
What we are creating is something truly special, the interest check has been exciting but you ain't seen nothing. GMK and I are working together and trying some stuff that wasn't exactly attempted before. Not to mention that the project expanded to things that go beyond a keyset. Just a couple more weeks and you'll be introduced to the universe. It's coming this Q4, the schedule didn't change.
Yes... thank you. :-*
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 28 August 2017, 13:19:41
Post by: digisax on Mon, 28 August 2017, 13:21:50
What we are creating is something truly special, the interest check has been exciting but you ain't seen nothing. GMK and I are working together and trying some stuff that wasn't exactly attempted before. Not to mention that the project expanded to things that go beyond a keyset. Just a couple more weeks and you'll be introduced to the universe. It's coming this Q4, the schedule didn't change.
Well this has truly got me hyped now :D
Post by: avid on Mon, 28 August 2017, 13:52:32
-What keyboards do you plan to put this on?
-How many sets / what sets are you getting?
Myself, i hope i will find a purple case for this. Probably picking up x2 base kits + novelties.
Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Mon, 28 August 2017, 14:46:22
Two questions
-What keyboards do you plan to put this on?
-How many sets / what sets are you getting?
Myself, i hope i will find a purple case for this. Probably picking up x2 base kits + novelties.
Buying 1 base kit,1 novelties kit, and 1 Hirigana\Gaijan kit to go on a black ZZ96.
Post by: ullr on Mon, 28 August 2017, 16:40:24
Two questions
-What keyboards do you plan to put this on?
-How many sets / what sets are you getting?
Myself, i hope i will find a purple case for this. Probably picking up x2 base kits + novelties.
1. White Campine Mk. III HHKB
2. Well it depends on what’s there. Base and novelties at least, and hopefully an icon mods kit if one appears.
Post by: Rumblehotep on Mon, 28 August 2017, 18:57:24
Two questions
-What keyboards do you plan to put this on?
-How many sets / what sets are you getting?
Myself, i hope i will find a purple case for this. Probably picking up x2 base kits + novelties.
Some future 96 or 1800, need to give those excellent arrow keys extra attention
base/novelties/spacebars/gaijin
Post by: avid on Mon, 28 August 2017, 19:14:19
Post by: Perfex on Mon, 28 August 2017, 19:23:25
Normally I use smaller boards but the Laser keyset cried out and earlier this May Lightsaver heard it's cry.
Thus my build will consist of a black Lightsaver, Tealios, with Laser & riddled with the novelties.
Post by: WilySouser on Mon, 28 August 2017, 19:47:04
This set looks awesome, MiTo.
Any chance the Ergodox kit will get legends?
I am studying the possibility of offering ErgoBlanck and ErgoPlanck kits.
I, too, would be interested in a legended Ergodox set. No-legend ergodox and I'd only be in for the Gaijin set.
Post by: pvd on Mon, 28 August 2017, 22:31:17
I'd be much more interested in SA oblivion if the ergodox set didn't have legends.
Post by: Data on Tue, 29 August 2017, 13:15:08
Legended ergodox keys are lame. Who actually uses keybinds that correspond to the "standard" set of ergodox legends?
I'd be much more interested in SA oblivion if the ergodox set didn't have legends.
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Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 29 August 2017, 13:26:46
Legended ergodox keys are lame. Who actually uses keybinds that correspond to the "standard" set of ergodox legends?
I'd be much more interested in SA oblivion if the ergodox set didn't have legends.
Aren't the SA Oblivion ergodox keys basically just gibberish/text novelties? Looks like assembly. I don't think it corresponds to any standard set lol.
Post by: KeLorean on Tue, 29 August 2017, 13:40:15
What we are creating is something truly special, the interest check has been exciting but you ain't seen nothing. GMK and I are working together and trying some stuff that wasn't exactly attempted before. Not to mention that the project expanded to things that go beyond a keyset. Just a couple more weeks and you'll be introduced to the universe. It's coming this Q4, the schedule didn't change.this is why i have mad respect for MiTo. He has a vision to do something that has never been done before, and he isn't afraid to pursue his vision over a safe payout. this is what separates the great artists from the ones we all eventually forget about. keep it up MiTo. you're a trailblazer who will be remembered in the mk community history, no matter how obscure that may be:/
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Post by: WilySouser on Tue, 29 August 2017, 14:10:06
Legended ergodox keys are lame. Who actually uses keybinds that correspond to the "standard" set of ergodox legends?
I'd be much more interested in SA oblivion if the ergodox set didn't have legends.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Post by: chief_shankaho on Tue, 29 August 2017, 14:19:12
Post by: Corgi Butts on Tue, 29 August 2017, 14:35:02
Legended ergodox keys are lame. Who actually uses keybinds that correspond to the "standard" set of ergodox legends?
I'd be much more interested in SA oblivion if the ergodox set didn't have legends.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
That keyset really tied the desk together, did it not?
Post by: DanB on Tue, 29 August 2017, 22:36:37
Two questions
-What keyboards do you plan to put this on?
-How many sets / what sets are you getting?
Myself, I hope I will find a purple case for this. Probably picking up x2 base kits + novelties.
Putting it on a red brass OTD koala
Plan to get Base, novs, hiragana
Post by: joelfong on Wed, 30 August 2017, 02:27:00
This set looks awesome, MiTo.
Any chance the Ergodox kit will get legends?
I am studying the possibility of offering ErgoBlanck and ErgoPlanck kits.
Laser's looking good!
Have you considered adding essential Planck keys in the Base Kit and removing it from the ErgoPlank Kit instead? Because to cover the default layout with correct legends, you just need a few more keys.
R2 Tab, R3 Esc and R4 Enter are the 3 essential 1u keys for default Planck coverage. The additional R2 Tab will also help with some 40% layouts.
Less essential is R4 Shift (there's already an R4 Fn and R4 Hack key which can be used in its place), and R3 ' " in mod colours.
You would also need to add 2 x 1u R4C keys and 1 x 2u R4C key in the Spacebar Kit.
Doing this would result in a considerably cheaper option for Planck/Preonic users as all they need to get is Base + Spacebars.
This does mean the Base Kit and Spacebar Kit may go up slightly in price, but the resulting Ergodox kit will be reduced by a fair bit too. Of course you can leave your planned ErgoBlank kit in for people who desire blank mods.
Just some of my thoughts after Nautilus' less than desirable options for Planck/Preonic users.
Post by: autobot on Wed, 30 August 2017, 06:58:39
did an pixel arts in preparation for this sweet sweet set:
HHKB:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XVjyVog.png)
60%:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bJBXpIi.png)
69-Key ISO:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wTLAZ0I.png)
TKL:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KAsh0gt.png)
Awesome, can you do TKL Norbauer? Purple case with the accents, and Pink case with no accents?
Post by: skitty on Thu, 31 August 2017, 16:22:09
Legended ergodox keys are lame. Who actually uses keybinds that correspond to the "standard" set of ergodox legends?
I'd be much more interested in SA oblivion if the ergodox set didn't have legends.
I don't care at all if the legends don't match what the key is programmed to. A bunch of blanks just looks odd to me if the entire set isn't blank.
Granite and Nautilus Ergodox sets sold fairly well so there's a good amount of people that like keys with legends.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 31 August 2017, 20:12:46
Legended ergodox keys are lame. Who actually uses keybinds that correspond to the "standard" set of ergodox legends?
I'd be much more interested in SA oblivion if the ergodox set didn't have legends.
I don't care at all if the legends don't match what the key is programmed to. A bunch of blanks just looks odd to me if the entire set isn't blank.
Granite and Nautilus Ergodox sets sold fairly well so there's a good amount of people that like keys with legends.
The differences here are:
GMK Custom Color MOQ is higher.
The SA Oblivion Ergodox mods are just gibberish and are actually common keys between multiple sets (for example many of the 1u keys like orange XOR are in the Assembly kit AND the ergodox kit others are in the macros.asm kit, etc) This lets them optimize production to make a bunch of different sets at once and produce the colors in batches. It also means they work regardless of your layout. A correctly labeled GMK set would have no such benefits.
Granite is dyesub and is irrelevant, sure ergodox kits sell at $30, but no GMK ergodox kit will ever be $30. Nautilus ONLY sold with legends, so you can't really quantify if the people who bought it actually prefer legends or not, just that they are willing to still buy them regardless.
Blank ergodox also makes it cleaner looking to use paired with the alternate alphas since there is 0 chance MULTIPLE ergodox kits would ever hit moq.
Post by: heavyheaded on Fri, 01 September 2017, 10:29:48
Legended ergodox keys are lame. Who actually uses keybinds that correspond to the "standard" set of ergodox legends?
I'd be much more interested in SA oblivion if the ergodox set didn't have legends.
I don't care at all if the legends don't match what the key is programmed to. A bunch of blanks just looks odd to me if the entire set isn't blank.
Granite and Nautilus Ergodox sets sold fairly well so there's a good amount of people that like keys with legends.
The differences here are:
GMK Custom Color MOQ is higher.
The SA Oblivion Ergodox mods are just gibberish and are actually common keys between multiple sets (for example many of the 1u keys like orange XOR are in the Assembly kit AND the ergodox kit others are in the macros.asm kit, etc) This lets them optimize production to make a bunch of different sets at once and produce the colors in batches. It also means they work regardless of your layout. A correctly labeled GMK set would have no such benefits.
Granite is dyesub and is irrelevant, sure ergodox kits sell at $30, but no GMK ergodox kit will ever be $30. Nautilus ONLY sold with legends, so you can't really quantify if the people who bought it actually prefer legends or not, just that they are willing to still buy them regardless.
Blank ergodox also makes it cleaner looking to use paired with the alternate alphas since there is 0 chance MULTIPLE ergodox kits would ever hit moq.
I would buy the ergodox kit only if it was legended.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 01 September 2017, 12:33:09
Legended ergodox keys are lame. Who actually uses keybinds that correspond to the "standard" set of ergodox legends?
I'd be much more interested in SA oblivion if the ergodox set didn't have legends.
I don't care at all if the legends don't match what the key is programmed to. A bunch of blanks just looks odd to me if the entire set isn't blank.
Granite and Nautilus Ergodox sets sold fairly well so there's a good amount of people that like keys with legends.
The differences here are:
GMK Custom Color MOQ is higher.
The SA Oblivion Ergodox mods are just gibberish and are actually common keys between multiple sets (for example many of the 1u keys like orange XOR are in the Assembly kit AND the ergodox kit others are in the macros.asm kit, etc) This lets them optimize production to make a bunch of different sets at once and produce the colors in batches. It also means they work regardless of your layout. A correctly labeled GMK set would have no such benefits.
Granite is dyesub and is irrelevant, sure ergodox kits sell at $30, but no GMK ergodox kit will ever be $30. Nautilus ONLY sold with legends, so you can't really quantify if the people who bought it actually prefer legends or not, just that they are willing to still buy them regardless.
Blank ergodox also makes it cleaner looking to use paired with the alternate alphas since there is 0 chance MULTIPLE ergodox kits would ever hit moq.
I would buy the ergodox kit only if it was legended.
Perhaps, but you are just 1 person. The part you don't seem to be considering is how much cheaper blanks actually would be. So while the almighty heavyheaded might pass on such a set, if it were to sell without legends, there is still a chance the blanks would sell more simply by costing less.
I have no OPINION in this matter at all. If you want to compare hard facts, yuri blank ergodox attach rate was 13.3%. Nautilus legended ergodox attach rate was 8.8%. Sure Nautilus sold a few more kit, but given it also sold nearly twice as many base kits, its small lead (167 vs 124) in terms of ergodox that doesn't really indicate any bias one way or another.
Post by: PiMaxC on Fri, 01 September 2017, 12:41:13
Post by: kolashnikov on Fri, 01 September 2017, 16:32:06
Legended ergodox keys are lame. Who actually uses keybinds that correspond to the "standard" set of ergodox legends?
I'd be much more interested in SA oblivion if the ergodox set didn't have legends.
I don't care at all if the legends don't match what the key is programmed to. A bunch of blanks just looks odd to me if the entire set isn't blank.
Granite and Nautilus Ergodox sets sold fairly well so there's a good amount of people that like keys with legends.
The differences here are:
GMK Custom Color MOQ is higher.
The SA Oblivion Ergodox mods are just gibberish and are actually common keys between multiple sets (for example many of the 1u keys like orange XOR are in the Assembly kit AND the ergodox kit others are in the macros.asm kit, etc) This lets them optimize production to make a bunch of different sets at once and produce the colors in batches. It also means they work regardless of your layout. A correctly labeled GMK set would have no such benefits.
Granite is dyesub and is irrelevant, sure ergodox kits sell at $30, but no GMK ergodox kit will ever be $30. Nautilus ONLY sold with legends, so you can't really quantify if the people who bought it actually prefer legends or not, just that they are willing to still buy them regardless.
Blank ergodox also makes it cleaner looking to use paired with the alternate alphas since there is 0 chance MULTIPLE ergodox kits would ever hit moq.
I would buy the ergodox kit only if it was legended.
I would only buy the ergodox kit if it DOESN'T have legends. With a board that is so readily and widely customized, it makes more sense (to me) to have blank keys than to potentially provide keys with the wrong legends/profile.
Post by: Dominathan on Fri, 01 September 2017, 20:30:35
Legended ergodox keys are lame. Who actually uses keybinds that correspond to the "standard" set of ergodox legends?
I'd be much more interested in SA oblivion if the ergodox set didn't have legends.
I don't care at all if the legends don't match what the key is programmed to. A bunch of blanks just looks odd to me if the entire set isn't blank.
Granite and Nautilus Ergodox sets sold fairly well so there's a good amount of people that like keys with legends.
The differences here are:
GMK Custom Color MOQ is higher.
The SA Oblivion Ergodox mods are just gibberish and are actually common keys between multiple sets (for example many of the 1u keys like orange XOR are in the Assembly kit AND the ergodox kit others are in the macros.asm kit, etc) This lets them optimize production to make a bunch of different sets at once and produce the colors in batches. It also means they work regardless of your layout. A correctly labeled GMK set would have no such benefits.
Granite is dyesub and is irrelevant, sure ergodox kits sell at $30, but no GMK ergodox kit will ever be $30. Nautilus ONLY sold with legends, so you can't really quantify if the people who bought it actually prefer legends or not, just that they are willing to still buy them regardless.
Blank ergodox also makes it cleaner looking to use paired with the alternate alphas since there is 0 chance MULTIPLE ergodox kits would ever hit moq.
I would buy the ergodox kit only if it was legended.
I would only buy the ergodox kit if it DOESN'T have legends. With a board that is so readily and widely customized, it makes more sense (to me) to have blank keys than to potentially provide keys with the wrong legends/profile.
I've hated that most GMK ergo kits don't have legends. I happily bought the legended ergo in Godspeed SA, and I love them. I got unlegended GMK with carbon, and it drove me crazy.
We should look at the Godspeed attach rate, since it has both. Also, we should look at sets that were launched after the second ergo infinity came out. New ergo owners could have skewed the numbers.
Post by: TastyNico on Sat, 02 September 2017, 14:27:23
It would add such a nice touch to <60% boards.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 02 September 2017, 20:20:50
Post by: nightdriver on Sun, 03 September 2017, 00:05:54
(http://i.imgur.com/AfRt0AG.png)
Post by: panzermuffin on Mon, 04 September 2017, 08:49:21
Post by: darthzero on Mon, 04 September 2017, 14:44:43
Im down for base, novelties and norde kits. Finally an ISO GMK set!Finally ;D
Post by: smgt on Wed, 06 September 2017, 06:15:22
Post by: forevermadrigal on Wed, 06 September 2017, 18:57:57
If this gets made I will buy base, novelties, euro and ergoplanck. Maybe hiragana set if I got my spending pants on.
It's gonna happen, it's just a matter of when
Post by: avid on Wed, 06 September 2017, 18:59:56
If this gets made I will buy base, novelties, euro and ergoplanck. Maybe hiragana set if I got my spending pants on.
It's gonna happen, it's just a matter of when
Mito said Q4, so im hopeful it will be after the SA Oblivion. 1 oct seems reasonable.
Post by: Miotch92 on Sat, 09 September 2017, 02:27:50
Post by: panzermuffin on Sat, 09 September 2017, 05:45:54
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 09 September 2017, 05:57:53
As I understand it, the GB will be through massdrop? How is the MoQ for the kits with GMK through Massdrop? Getting an euro kit is pretty much the make or brake for me.
MOQ for Base will be 250 units due to custom colors. Side-kits are usually 100 units on MD, but GMK also tends to agree to do less e.g. on International kits, they're probably cool with that due to 1500+ base units selling. For Laser, I suspect we will see 2500 units for base
Post by: JohanAR on Sat, 09 September 2017, 08:10:57
R3 1u: Esc, Enter, Ctrl
R4 1u: Shift (x2)
R4c 1u: 2x blanks of each color
R4c 2u: 2x bright purple (i.e. the regular space bar color)
With those keys you'd be able to cover a lot of different layouts using only 13 extra keys and without having to resort to using a lot of blanks along the sides
Post by: panzermuffin on Sat, 09 September 2017, 10:45:12
As I understand it, the GB will be through massdrop? How is the MoQ for the kits with GMK through Massdrop? Getting an euro kit is pretty much the make or brake for me.
MOQ for Base will be 250 units due to custom colors. Side-kits are usually 100 units on MD, but GMK also tends to agree to do less e.g. on International kits, they're probably cool with that due to 1500+ base units selling. For Laser, I suspect we will see 2500 units for base
Absolutely awesome! Instant buy! :)
Post by: elfick on Mon, 11 September 2017, 11:40:05
Awesome looking set. Feels a bit wasteful having to buy an Ergodox kit to build a Planck/Preonic/Nyquist, especially since the base kit is so generous with R4 1u modifiers. Personally I'd like to see the following Ortho kit:I'll second this. The IC has run so long that I've probabaly flip-flopped but I've come to realize I don't really like blanks unless the entire set is blank. I'd really like to have legend-ed mods with legend-ed alphas and I'll use the wrong legend if I must but would (obviously) prefer the correct legend. I fully understand the historic reasons for GMK kit decisions but I suspect that Laser will sell enough that you can probably push through a dedicated Planck or Planck/Preonic set with legends.
R3 1u: Esc, Enter, Ctrl
R4 1u: Shift (x2)
R4c 1u: 2x blanks of each color
R4c 2u: 2x bright purple (i.e. the regular space bar color)
With those keys you'd be able to cover a lot of different layouts using only 13 extra keys and without having to resort to using a lot of blanks along the sides
That said, if Hiragana drops, I'll be getting the blank set to go with that.
Post by: ye_cole on Tue, 12 September 2017, 19:30:21
I'm talking about the orange WASD. I'd like to get novelties, base, and gajin/hiragana alphas, but want the WASD to also be orange. (gajin has more votes ATM).
Post by: SuperVan on Wed, 13 September 2017, 09:35:40
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 13 September 2017, 21:50:08
If I could describe these two colors (hot pink and midnight) using words, I'd say that the hot pink is very bright almost redish, it's an ultra pink unicorn magenta. As for the midnight in my perception it's a dark purple blueish color of some sort, very elegant and kinda mysterious.
(https://i.imgur.com/kTWK02o.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Nq6AyGc.jpg)
Overall the project and collaborations are progressing at very good pace, all parts are integrated and engaged. I never thought that an old high school friend of mine would join us and illustrate, his work is superb and I'm very satisfied. Because of that, I re connected with some of my old real life friends such as Erica, Lucas and Yuri. Turns out they find our hobby super interesting! Working on this project have been very fun and challenging, all aspects considered so far this is by far the most enjoyable one. That said, thanks a lot for the patience, excitement and of course the support, it wouldn't be possible without you all. Keep in touch for the incoming updates!
Post by: jnav on Wed, 13 September 2017, 22:11:09
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Post by: merintil on Thu, 14 September 2017, 07:42:38
I had such a huge flashback to when I watched movies like Blade Runner or Ghost in the Shell... and damn it, I can't wait to get on board with this GB!
Post by: pab on Thu, 14 September 2017, 12:14:47
After Massdrop's power play with the Whitefox drop on Kickstarter (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/703kbk/wtf_whitefoxnitefox_and_massdrop/), I can't in good consciousness purchase from Massdrop.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 14 September 2017, 13:42:24
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 14 September 2017, 13:46:56
Are we 100% on that this will be sold in NA via Massdrop? Is there any alternative for NA people?
After Massdrop's power play with the Whitefox drop on Kickstarter (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/703kbk/wtf_whitefoxnitefox_and_massdrop/), I can't in good consciousness purchase from Massdrop.
I'll come off as a fanboy here but.. I wanna hear MD's response to this first. We don't know what the paperwork signed by IC exactly says. I have a contract with MD as well for Oblivion and it clearly outlines where the rights of the design lie.
Post by: Corgi Butts on Thu, 14 September 2017, 15:45:14
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kTWK02o.jpg)
Hot damn that looks great!
Post by: fouras on Thu, 14 September 2017, 15:59:18
Small update, a batch of color samples arrived last week and this is the most accurate photo I could arrange, with the equipment I currently have. I'm hoping to visit a friend this weekend, his mother is a professional photographer and I think she'll be able to help us with proper macro shots. The following keycaps are the hot pink and midgnight modifiers, GMK is working on more samples featuring the rest of colors, etc. I also shot a secondary photo with some of the confirmed colors for the arcade characters and WASD/HJKL/etc (gasoline accents). I wasn't happy with the color of the alphas and cyan on the alphas legends/ghost therefore it's being adjusted as well. Same for the lime green.
If I could describe these two colors (hot pink and midnight) using words, I'd say that the hot pink is very bright almost redish, it's an ultra pink unicorn magenta. As for the midnight in my perception it's a dark purple blueish color of some sort, very elegant and kinda mysterious.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kTWK02o.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Nq6AyGc.jpg)
Maybe it's the picture, but the mod color seems less purple than it does in the renders. I'll be a little disappointed if that's the case.
(https://i.imgur.com/1jrUeZT.jpg)
Post by: autobot on Thu, 14 September 2017, 16:20:43
Small update, a batch of color samples arrived last week and this is the most accurate photo I could arrange, with the equipment I currently have. I'm hoping to visit a friend this weekend, his mother is a professional photographer and I think she'll be able to help us with proper macro shots. The following keycaps are the hot pink and midgnight modifiers, GMK is working on more samples featuring the rest of colors, etc. I also shot a secondary photo with some of the confirmed colors for the arcade characters and WASD/HJKL/etc (gasoline accents). I wasn't happy with the color of the alphas and cyan on the alphas legends/ghost therefore it's being adjusted as well. Same for the lime green.
If I could describe these two colors (hot pink and midnight) using words, I'd say that the hot pink is very bright almost redish, it's an ultra pink unicorn magenta. As for the midnight in my perception it's a dark purple blueish color of some sort, very elegant and kinda mysterious.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kTWK02o.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Nq6AyGc.jpg)
Maybe it's the picture, but the mod color seems less purple than it does in the renders. I'll be a little disappointed if that's the case.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1jrUeZT.jpg)
This is my observation of the purple as well. Perhaps the picture doesn't capture the color correctly? I hope that's the case. Otherwise, the color needs be adjusted.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 14 September 2017, 17:23:36
Maybe you guys perceive the modifiers as purple too though, in which case we're just seeing differently. In Fouras' "montage" it does look very different, I agree.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 14 September 2017, 17:38:33
Small update, a batch of color samples arrived last week and this is the most accurate photo I could arrange, with the equipment I currently have. I'm hoping to visit a friend this weekend, his mother is a professional photographer and I think she'll be able to help us with proper macro shots. The following keycaps are the hot pink and midgnight modifiers, GMK is working on more samples featuring the rest of colors, etc. I also shot a secondary photo with some of the confirmed colors for the arcade characters and WASD/HJKL/etc (gasoline accents). I wasn't happy with the color of the alphas and cyan on the alphas legends/ghost therefore it's being adjusted as well. Same for the lime green.
If I could describe these two colors (hot pink and midnight) using words, I'd say that the hot pink is very bright almost redish, it's an ultra pink unicorn magenta. As for the midnight in my perception it's a dark purple blueish color of some sort, very elegant and kinda mysterious.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kTWK02o.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Nq6AyGc.jpg)
Maybe it's the picture, but the mod color seems less purple than it does in the renders. I'll be a little disappointed if that's the case.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1jrUeZT.jpg)
This is my observation of the purple as well. Perhaps the picture doesn't capture the color correctly? I hope that's the case. Otherwise, the color needs be adjusted.
The photo I posted with the Esc keycaps represent the pink well. On the other hand, I don't think the same degree of accuracy was achieved for the the midnight color - looking at my picture (albeit grainy) it looks like a dull dark blue, like the ink of a Bic office pen, which is not the case in real life let alone in the renders. The color doesn't look very good in the picture but it sure does in real life. It's safe to say that GMK arrived at this color by blueing purple resin instead of purpleing what was originally a blue. In real life, the midnight doesn't look like a shade of blue like displayed in my mediocre picture, it's more like a dark purple, with some shade of blue to it. It's significantly purple, the tone is much more pronounced on the keycap than blue. I'm hoping to access the photographer's equipment this Sunday, so I can perhaps offer more accurate pictures.
Post by: rehael on Thu, 14 September 2017, 17:42:41
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 14 September 2017, 17:55:35
Hey Mito, after seeing the physical samples of the pink and reading your description, how accurate do you think this rendering that autobot produced looks in combination with the Norbatouch pink TKL case?
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Here's a another photo of the case for reference.
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Looking at the actual photo of the case, I think it looks kind of a bubblegum pink (maybe I'm wrong) while the Laser color is more like a hot pink. It doesn't seem to be a 100% match, more like a 70% match, to be honest with you, but I think overall the case would combine very well with the keyset. Mostly because I believe that bubblegum pink represents the 80's decade and since this is the conceptual background of the keyset then it would make sense and match. Comparing the two colors, I believe that a case shading to a less vibrant pink could potentially frame hot pink and purple keycaps nicely, I would enjoy that personally. Bonus if this Norbauer case was translucent acrylic with injection marks, instead of metal, like a cassette Walkman tape.
That said, if any user wants to physically see these samples, in order to match your creations with the keycap set, just let me know and I can ship you some. I think I have enough samples to cover everyone who would be interested.
Post by: jnav on Thu, 14 September 2017, 18:44:13
Would love to get a sample. Let me know how we go about doing that. Thanks.
Post by: madindehead on Fri, 15 September 2017, 01:33:48
Post by: panzermuffin on Fri, 15 September 2017, 01:34:39
Are we 100% on that this will be sold in NA via Massdrop? Is there any alternative for NA people?
After Massdrop's power play with the Whitefox drop on Kickstarter (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/703kbk/wtf_whitefoxnitefox_and_massdrop/), I can't in good consciousness purchase from Massdrop.
I'll come off as a fanboy here but.. I wanna hear MD's response to this first. We don't know what the paperwork signed by IC exactly says. I have a contract with MD as well for Oblivion and it clearly outlines where the rights of the design lie.
The thing is, that MD obviously has some bad practices all around. Planck anyone? SA Goodspeed chinese proxy? Payment ****ups? I mean Ill buy GMK Laser regardless because this set is everything I nerd about (Keyset with GitS novelties? QUE.). But I think I'd buy it with much more confidence and without that knot in my belly if it was sold by someone else. Maybe for future projects.
On topic: Samples are awesome. Please take my money already.
Post by: HotRoderX on Fri, 15 September 2017, 01:58:00
Post by: Jalkan on Fri, 15 September 2017, 10:02:42
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 15 September 2017, 10:07:41
I would love a sample if that's still possible.
It never was, only MiTo received a couple caps from GMK for inspection ;)
Post by: Jalkan on Fri, 15 September 2017, 10:09:50
I would love a sample if that's still possible.
It never was, only MiTo received a couple caps from GMK for inspection ;)
That said, if any user wants to physically see these samples, in order to match your creations with the keycap set, just let me know and I can ship you some. I think I have enough samples to cover everyone who would be interested.
Am I misunderstanding this?
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 15 September 2017, 10:39:58
I would love a sample if that's still possible.
It never was, only MiTo received a couple caps from GMK for inspection ;)
That said, if any user wants to physically see these samples, in order to match your creations with the keycap set, just let me know and I can ship you some. I think I have enough samples to cover everyone who would be interested.
Am I misunderstanding this?
Oh damn, I missed that post. Color me surprised! Usually you only receive 2 caps per color from GMK
Post by: mintyfruits on Fri, 15 September 2017, 10:45:07
Post by: jnav on Fri, 15 September 2017, 11:55:57
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 15 September 2017, 12:25:48
This set looks awesome, MiTo.
Any chance the Ergodox kit will get legends?
I am studying the possibility of offering ErgoBlanck and ErgoPlanck kits.
Laser's looking good!
Have you considered adding essential Planck keys in the Base Kit and removing it from the ErgoPlank Kit instead? Because to cover the default layout with correct legends, you just need a few more keys.
R2 Tab, R3 Esc and R4 Enter are the 3 essential 1u keys for default Planck coverage. The additional R2 Tab will also help with some 40% layouts.
Less essential is R4 Shift (there's already an R4 Fn and R4 Hack key which can be used in its place), and R3 ' " in mod colours.
You would also need to add 2 x 1u R4C keys and 1 x 2u R4C key in the Spacebar Kit.
Doing this would result in a considerably cheaper option for Planck/Preonic users as all they need to get is Base + Spacebars.
This does mean the Base Kit and Spacebar Kit may go up slightly in price, but the resulting Ergodox kit will be reduced by a fair bit too. Of course you can leave your planned ErgoBlank kit in for people who desire blank mods.
Just some of my thoughts after Nautilus' less than desirable options for Planck/Preonic users.
I think nautilus base kit was one of the best ever. It covered 1800, 65's, 75's, split boards and a ton of other common form factors. Planks aren't as common as all of these boards, I don't think removing essential keys for popular layouts to substitute for plank keys is desirable.
Post by: euphxenos on Fri, 15 September 2017, 13:05:34
Post by: nightdriver on Fri, 15 September 2017, 13:05:51
Yes, I'd like to know more about what people find so distasteful about MD (anecdotal or otherwise). The only issue I've ever had is trying to get support from them after a drop has ended but even that I can understand. They're trying to run a profitable business after all. I think they have enabled me to buy products that might not otherwise see the light of day, and there's a lot of things they do operationally that probably make things run more smoothly than they otherwise might. I think we as a community need to keep that in perspective.
check out what's going on between massdrop and the whitefox folks. i'm holding off on judgment until i see a response from massdrop, but i can definitely see why it concerns people.
Post by: jnav on Fri, 15 September 2017, 13:10:23
Yes, I'd like to know more about what people find so distasteful about MD (anecdotal or otherwise). The only issue I've ever had is trying to get support from them after a drop has ended but even that I can understand. They're trying to run a profitable business after all. I think they have enabled me to buy products that might not otherwise see the light of day, and there's a lot of things they do operationally that probably make things run more smoothly than they otherwise might. I think we as a community need to keep that in perspective.
check out what's going on between massdrop and the whitefox folks. i'm holding off on judgment until i see a response from massdrop, but i can definitely see why it concerns people.
I saw that and my initial reaction was to point the finger at MD but I agree that we all need to take a deep breath and let IC and MD work out their business decisions without jumping to conclusions or taking sides. We're all friends here!
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Post by: joelfong on Fri, 15 September 2017, 13:12:42
This set looks awesome, MiTo.
Any chance the Ergodox kit will get legends?
I am studying the possibility of offering ErgoBlanck and ErgoPlanck kits.
Laser's looking good!
Have you considered adding essential Planck keys in the Base Kit and removing it from the ErgoPlank Kit instead? Because to cover the default layout with correct legends, you just need a few more keys.
R2 Tab, R3 Esc and R4 Enter are the 3 essential 1u keys for default Planck coverage. The additional R2 Tab will also help with some 40% layouts.
Less essential is R4 Shift (there's already an R4 Fn and R4 Hack key which can be used in its place), and R3 ' " in mod colours.
You would also need to add 2 x 1u R4C keys and 1 x 2u R4C key in the Spacebar Kit.
Doing this would result in a considerably cheaper option for Planck/Preonic users as all they need to get is Base + Spacebars.
This does mean the Base Kit and Spacebar Kit may go up slightly in price, but the resulting Ergodox kit will be reduced by a fair bit too. Of course you can leave your planned ErgoBlank kit in for people who desire blank mods.
Just some of my thoughts after Nautilus' less than desirable options for Planck/Preonic users.
I think nautilus base kit was one of the best ever. It covered 1800, 65's, 75's, split boards and a ton of other common form factors. Planks aren't as common as all of these boards, I don't think removing essential keys for popular layouts to substitute for plank keys is desirable.
I never said to remove and replace essential keys for popular layouts. But instead to add a few more keys to the base kit so that Planck compatibility can be added properly.
Laser's base kit is at a point where you only need 3-4 more keys for pretty good Planck compatibility. Though you would also need to beef up the spacebar kit just a tad.
Do you think it makes sense to put these few keys in an Ergoplanck kit and then charge the astronomically high price as seen in Nautilus for what literally is a handful of keys for Planck users?
You argue that Planck keyboards are not common but with MD drops increasing in frequency (Recent Planck drop currently shipping, Preonic drop currently happening, and another Planck drop coming soon after that), and also OLKB orders increasing, I dare say that there will be a lot of interested parties in this.
I honestly think if you're aiming to be fair to the community then it would be good in the long run to add those few essential Planck keys in the base kit. Doing so will also reduce the Ergoplank kit to just an Ergodox kit and make it cheaper for Ergodox users too.
At this point I really don't know why there seems to be this fixed idea that Planck caps have to be combined with Ergodox no matter what. That might have been necessary in the past when we didn't have many unique layouts. But now that you have a base kit that's already so comprehensive and just needs a slight tweak to make everyone happy, I just fail to understand why Planck compatibility cannot be considered in the base kit.
Maybe I'm not seeing the full picture. Maybe GMK has its moulds set in a certain way that can't be changed, I don't know. But this is honestly quite frustrating for me.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 15 September 2017, 13:32:27
I saw that and my initial reaction was to point the finger at MD but I agree that we all need to take a deep breath and let IC and MD work out their business decisions without jumping to conclusions or taking sides. We're all friends here!
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No, we're not. For MD we're just a source of profit.
Thinking that "we're all freiends here" is what lead I:C to loose the rights for their switch.
Anyway, that's off-topic: Laser will be run by them, so no point to discuss it here. As for me -- about three months ago I've decided to get only exclusive goods from them and after my issue with Canvas XDA opt-in, I've decided that Laser will be last set I get from them ever. I've considered joining Preonic drop, but decided to get it from OLKB directly.
Post by: Arhipio on Fri, 15 September 2017, 13:52:40
This set looks awesome, MiTo.
Any chance the Ergodox kit will get legends?
I am studying the possibility of offering ErgoBlanck and ErgoPlanck kits.
Laser's looking good!
Have you considered adding essential Planck keys in the Base Kit and removing it from the ErgoPlank Kit instead? Because to cover the default layout with correct legends, you just need a few more keys.
R2 Tab, R3 Esc and R4 Enter are the 3 essential 1u keys for default Planck coverage. The additional R2 Tab will also help with some 40% layouts.
Less essential is R4 Shift (there's already an R4 Fn and R4 Hack key which can be used in its place), and R3 ' " in mod colours.
You would also need to add 2 x 1u R4C keys and 1 x 2u R4C key in the Spacebar Kit.
Doing this would result in a considerably cheaper option for Planck/Preonic users as all they need to get is Base + Spacebars.
This does mean the Base Kit and Spacebar Kit may go up slightly in price, but the resulting Ergodox kit will be reduced by a fair bit too. Of course you can leave your planned ErgoBlank kit in for people who desire blank mods.
Just some of my thoughts after Nautilus' less than desirable options for Planck/Preonic users.
I think nautilus base kit was one of the best ever. It covered 1800, 65's, 75's, split boards and a ton of other common form factors. Planks aren't as common as all of these boards, I don't think removing essential keys for popular layouts to substitute for plank keys is desirable.
I never said to remove and replace essential keys for popular layouts. But instead to add a few more keys to the base kit so that Planck compatibility can be added properly.
Laser's base kit is at a point where you only need 3-4 more keys for pretty good Planck compatibility. Though you would also need to beef up the spacebar kit just a tad.
Do you think it makes sense to put these few keys in an Ergoplanck kit and then charge the astronomically high price as seen in Nautilus for what literally is a handful of keys for Planck users?
You argue that Planck keyboards are not common but with MD drops increasing in frequency (Recent Planck drop currently shipping, Preonic drop currently happening, and another Planck drop coming soon after that), and also OLKB orders increasing, I dare say that there will be a lot of interested parties in this.
I honestly think if you're aiming to be fair to the community then it would be good in the long run to add those few essential Planck keys in the base kit. Doing so will also reduce the Ergoplank kit to just an Ergodox kit and make it cheaper for Ergodox users too.
At this point I really don't know why there seems to be this fixed idea that Planck caps have to be combined with Ergodox no matter what. That might have been necessary in the past when we didn't have many unique layouts. But now that you have a base kit that's already so comprehensive and just needs a slight tweak to make everyone happy, I just fail to understand why Planck compatibility cannot be considered in the base kit.
Maybe I'm not seeing the full picture. Maybe GMK has its moulds set in a certain way that can't be changed, I don't know. But this is honestly quite frustrating for me.
I totally agree with you on the point that planck kits needs to be separate from ergodox. Pretty unfair for the planck users since there are more planck users than ergodox. I must have misread it, it seemed like you wanted to remove extra keys for things like HHKB and 75 layouts for the planck. But I disagree with your views on Nautilus, my point was that staggered standard layouts are more common than plancks and Nautilus did a great job covering all the standard/nonstandard staggered boards. If it's a couple caps for a planck layout it most definitely seems like a viable option.
Post by: mintyfruits on Fri, 15 September 2017, 14:18:53
I saw that and my initial reaction was to point the finger at MD but I agree that we all need to take a deep breath and let IC and MD work out their business decisions without jumping to conclusions or taking sides. We're all friends here!
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No, we're not. For MD we're just a source of profit.
Thinking that "we're all freiends here" is what lead I:C to loose the rights for their switch.
Anyway, that's off-topic: Laser will be run by them, so no point to discuss it here. As for me -- about three months ago I've decided to get only exclusive goods from them and after my issue with Canvas XDA opt-in, I've decided that Laser will be last set I get from them ever. I've considered joining Preonic drop, but decided to get it from OLKB directly.
I won't comment on this too much, because you're right, it is off topic. However, assuming that MD would want anything other than profit is a mistake in the first place. They are a business and sustained on making money. Now, I don't think that should come at the expense of ripping off customers or designers. But in regards to the switch situation, I'm with Oblotzky. We have only heard one side of that story, and I would rather wait till I hear both sides before casting judgment. But really the thing I'm getting at is that, yes, we're absolutely a source of profit for MD, but that a) isn't a bad thing, and b) should be expected.
Post by: Golgo13 on Sun, 17 September 2017, 20:27:43
This would be awesome, I would love to have the option of planck compatibility without dropping a bunch of extra cash.This set looks awesome, MiTo.
Any chance the Ergodox kit will get legends?
I am studying the possibility of offering ErgoBlanck and ErgoPlanck kits.
Laser's looking good!
Have you considered adding essential Planck keys in the Base Kit and removing it from the ErgoPlank Kit instead? Because to cover the default layout with correct legends, you just need a few more keys.
R2 Tab, R3 Esc and R4 Enter are the 3 essential 1u keys for default Planck coverage. The additional R2 Tab will also help with some 40% layouts.
Less essential is R4 Shift (there's already an R4 Fn and R4 Hack key which can be used in its place), and R3 ' " in mod colours.
You would also need to add 2 x 1u R4C keys and 1 x 2u R4C key in the Spacebar Kit.
Doing this would result in a considerably cheaper option for Planck/Preonic users as all they need to get is Base + Spacebars.
This does mean the Base Kit and Spacebar Kit may go up slightly in price, but the resulting Ergodox kit will be reduced by a fair bit too. Of course you can leave your planned ErgoBlank kit in for people who desire blank mods.
Just some of my thoughts after Nautilus' less than desirable options for Planck/Preonic users.
Post by: turbosloth on Sun, 17 September 2017, 20:39:14
Post by: Golgo13 on Sun, 17 September 2017, 23:23:01
Post by: BAS1C on Mon, 18 September 2017, 11:52:21
Post by: avid on Mon, 18 September 2017, 12:38:41
What's ETA looking like for this?
q4 was mentioned earlier in thread. Look out on massdrop closely. My guess would be its next set in line.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 18 September 2017, 12:57:50
I don't expect any other large GB between Oblivion and Laser.
Post by: schoolbus on Mon, 18 September 2017, 14:37:15
Post by: fouras on Mon, 18 September 2017, 19:33:04
MiTo keeps alluding to this being a much bigger project than just a new GMK set
I'm still hoping for that jacket in his avatar.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 19 September 2017, 00:27:12
Post by: HotRoderX on Tue, 19 September 2017, 00:53:40
Post by: Perfex on Tue, 19 September 2017, 01:07:30
can anyone point me to the samples? I checked the start of the thread and didn't see anything I am hoping I missed them. I really looking forward to this keyset my self.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89079.msg2491692#msg2491692
Post by: typischt on Tue, 19 September 2017, 02:16:23
...
That said, if any user wants to physically see these samples, in order to match your creations with the keycap set, just let me know and I can ship you some. I think I have enough samples to cover everyone who would be interested.
Is this still on the table? Would you also ship some to europe? :) Would be intrested in this, but would understand, of course, if this is not possible.
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Post by: Chromatrope on Tue, 19 September 2017, 02:27:07
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 19 September 2017, 02:45:29
I do not remember if I weighed in on the MD thing before but I might as well now. I really dislike buying off of Massdrop because it basically guarantees sky-high import costs for me. To have sets shipped to the US from Europe and then back to Europe to get taxed, that's just silly. This is ultimately what caused me to flip-flop towards getting Solarized Dark and not waiting for this, I realised this was basically guaranteed to only be run on Massdrop.
Last time mito ran a GB by himself we got the whole nightmare that was the SA pulse GB
but i see what you're saying
Post by: darthzero on Tue, 19 September 2017, 02:47:08
I do not remember if I weighed in on the MD thing before but I might as well now. I really dislike buying off of Massdrop because it basically guarantees sky-high import costs for me. To have sets shipped to the US from Europe and then back to Europe to get taxed, that's just silly. This is ultimately what caused me to flip-flop towards getting Solarized Dark and not waiting for this, I realised this was basically guaranteed to only be run on Massdrop.Except you don't pay more because of import tax. For example, if md sells a gmk set for 100$ they don't pay vat to gmk. If you would buy it directly from gmk (or an eu based group buy to be more realistic) you would have to pay roughly 20% more from the start because then the tax would be included.
Only thing it saves you from is the walk to the customs office and a little shipping.
In return you get the high order numbers to achive prices other gb runners can mostly just dream of.
Post by: Chromatrope on Tue, 19 September 2017, 03:27:45
Except you don't pay more because of import tax. For example, if md sells a gmk set for 100$ they don't pay vat to gmk. If you would buy it directly from gmk (or an eu based group buy to be more realistic) you would have to pay roughly 20% more from the start because then the tax would be included.
Only thing it saves you from is the walk to the customs office and a little shipping.
In return you get the high order numbers to achive prices other gb runners can mostly just dream of.
I am aware of the technicality, but keysets almost always end up costing notably more from the US when you factor in VAT than from an EU proxy/seller, and I'd have to pay shipping, customs declaration and additional import rights on top of the VAT. It becomes a very expensive endeavour.
The higher numbers argument is fair enough, I just most likely won't be a part of that number.
Post by: schoolbus on Tue, 19 September 2017, 07:32:56
I do not remember if I weighed in on the MD thing before but I might as well now. I really dislike buying off of Massdrop because it basically guarantees sky-high import costs for me. To have sets shipped to the US from Europe and then back to Europe to get taxed, that's just silly. This is ultimately what caused me to flip-flop towards getting Solarized Dark and not waiting for this, I realised this was basically guaranteed to only be run on Massdrop.
While I understand it might be inconvenient or expensive for you, it is considerably cheaper for anyone who lives in the US if a drop ends up on Massdrop.
Do you really think it makes sense to punish the vast majority for the loud minority? Considering we both know that the largest number of orders will originate from the US? Not trying to be a ****, I just struggle with this argument every time.
Post by: ch4rd on Tue, 19 September 2017, 09:06:25
MiTo keeps alluding to this being a much bigger project than just a new GMK set
I'm still hoping for that jacket in his avatar.
damn, yeah I didn't realize I wanted one that badly until you mentioned it.
Post by: Chromatrope on Tue, 19 September 2017, 09:38:14
While I understand it might be inconvenient or expensive for you, it is considerably cheaper for anyone who lives in the US if a drop ends up on Massdrop.
Do you really think it makes sense to punish the vast majority for the loud minority? Considering we both know that the largest number of orders will originate from the US? Not trying to be a ****, I just struggle with this argument every time.
See what irks me is that anything run on Massdrop is exclusively through Massdrop which means no EU options possible at all. Still a fair-ish trade considering ~52% is from the US, so I'm not really saying it's bad for the set overall that it's being run on Massdrop, I just don't like how Massdrop makes 0 effort to be a good option for EU customers and they lose me with that, that's all. That's also why I'm just weighing in, not claiming to be the perfect example of righteousness or anything, it's just what it means to me that it's being run on MD.
Post by: schoolbus on Tue, 19 September 2017, 10:36:19
While I understand it might be inconvenient or expensive for you, it is considerably cheaper for anyone who lives in the US if a drop ends up on Massdrop.
Do you really think it makes sense to punish the vast majority for the loud minority? Considering we both know that the largest number of orders will originate from the US? Not trying to be a ****, I just struggle with this argument every time.
See what irks me is that anything run on Massdrop is exclusively through Massdrop which means no EU options possible at all. Still a fair-ish trade considering ~52% is from the US, so I'm not really saying it's bad for the set overall that it's being run on Massdrop, I just don't like how Massdrop makes 0 effort to be a good option for EU customers and they lose me with that, that's all. That's also why I'm just weighing in, not claiming to be the perfect example of righteousness or anything, it's just what it means to me that it's being run on MD.
Definitely hear where you're coming from. Unfortunately it doesn't appear MD has really any current intention of expanding to their business/drops to better accommodate overseas customers :(
Post by: darren.beauchamp on Tue, 19 September 2017, 10:37:49
Post by: lordgiblite on Tue, 19 September 2017, 15:43:07
Post by: mintyfruits on Tue, 19 September 2017, 16:08:39
While I understand it might be inconvenient or expensive for you, it is considerably cheaper for anyone who lives in the US if a drop ends up on Massdrop.
Do you really think it makes sense to punish the vast majority for the loud minority? Considering we both know that the largest number of orders will originate from the US? Not trying to be a ****, I just struggle with this argument every time.
See what irks me is that anything run on Massdrop is exclusively through Massdrop which means no EU options possible at all. Still a fair-ish trade considering ~52% is from the US, so I'm not really saying it's bad for the set overall that it's being run on Massdrop, I just don't like how Massdrop makes 0 effort to be a good option for EU customers and they lose me with that, that's all. That's also why I'm just weighing in, not claiming to be the perfect example of righteousness or anything, it's just what it means to me that it's being run on MD.
Has MD ever commented on that they're making 0 effort to be an option for EU? International shipping is a logistical nightmare, and quite a big hurdle to overcome. I understand the frustration, but from a sales standpoint it just doesn't make sense for MiTo (or most runners for that matter) to not go through Massdrop.
Post by: DanB on Tue, 19 September 2017, 16:13:36
Hey Mito, after seeing the physical samples of the pink and reading your description, how accurate do you think this rendering that autobot produced looks in combination with the Norbatouch pink TKL case?
(Attachment Link)Here's a another photo of the case for reference.
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Looking at the actual photo of the case, I think it looks kind of a bubblegum pink (maybe I'm wrong) while the Laser color is more like a hot pink. It doesn't seem to be a 100% match, more like a 70% match, to be honest with you, but I think overall the case would combine very well with the keyset. Mostly because I believe that bubblegum pink represents the 80's decade and since this is the conceptual background of the keyset then it would make sense and match. Comparing the two colors, I believe that a case shading to a less vibrant pink could potentially frame hot pink and purple keycaps nicely, I would enjoy that personally. Bonus if this Norbauer case was translucent acrylic with injection marks, instead of metal, like a cassette Walkman tape.
That said, if any user wants to physically see these samples, in order to match your creations with the keycap set, just let me know and I can ship you some. I think I have enough samples to cover everyone who would be interested.
I would love to get a sample to see how it would match against my red case.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 19 September 2017, 19:49:36
Post by: HotRoderX on Tue, 19 September 2017, 20:50:53
While I understand it might be inconvenient or expensive for you, it is considerably cheaper for anyone who lives in the US if a drop ends up on Massdrop.
Do you really think it makes sense to punish the vast majority for the loud minority? Considering we both know that the largest number of orders will originate from the US? Not trying to be a ****, I just struggle with this argument every time.
See what irks me is that anything run on Massdrop is exclusively through Massdrop which means no EU options possible at all. Still a fair-ish trade considering ~52% is from the US, so I'm not really saying it's bad for the set overall that it's being run on Massdrop, I just don't like how Massdrop makes 0 effort to be a good option for EU customers and they lose me with that, that's all. That's also why I'm just weighing in, not claiming to be the perfect example of righteousness or anything, it's just what it means to me that it's being run on MD.
I wouldn't think there anything stopping a EU company from becoming a proxy? Perhaps that be a better solution then just getting angry at Massdrop. I am not mistaken don't the Asian Country's use Proxy's?
Post by: jihadu on Tue, 19 September 2017, 23:08:04
Only China uses a proxy for ordering, because great firewall and repressive regime and stuff.While I understand it might be inconvenient or expensive for you, it is considerably cheaper for anyone who lives in the US if a drop ends up on Massdrop.
Do you really think it makes sense to punish the vast majority for the loud minority? Considering we both know that the largest number of orders will originate from the US? Not trying to be a ****, I just struggle with this argument every time.
See what irks me is that anything run on Massdrop is exclusively through Massdrop which means no EU options possible at all. Still a fair-ish trade considering ~52% is from the US, so I'm not really saying it's bad for the set overall that it's being run on Massdrop, I just don't like how Massdrop makes 0 effort to be a good option for EU customers and they lose me with that, that's all. That's also why I'm just weighing in, not claiming to be the perfect example of righteousness or anything, it's just what it means to me that it's being run on MD.
I wouldn't think there anything stopping a EU company from becoming a proxy? Perhaps that be a better solution then just getting angry at Massdrop. I am not mistaken don't the Asian Country's use Proxy's?
Korea, Japan and other asian countries still join through MD.
Still it would not be a bad business decision to get a EU partner.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 20 September 2017, 13:06:50
I do not remember if I weighed in on the MD thing before but I might as well now. I really dislike buying off of Massdrop because it basically guarantees sky-high import costs for me. To have sets shipped to the US from Europe and then back to Europe to get taxed, that's just silly. This is ultimately what caused me to flip-flop towards getting Solarized Dark and not waiting for this, I realised this was basically guaranteed to only be run on Massdrop.
Blame your countries import policies not the vendor, it is illegal for vendors to lie about the contents of your package. As big as massdrop is they don't want to deal with that ****. I am not a massdrop white knight I have just been fed up with eu folks complaining about import policies without understanding how it works.
Post by: rehael on Wed, 20 September 2017, 14:23:07
Usual price of base GMK set in EU is 126€. About $150. Because VAT…
Usual price of base GMK in MD is ~$130.
GMK Nautilus dropped base kit to ~$100.
50% f… percent of the EU price less, by economy of scale. I think that 50% will cover our (I'm from EU too) VAT, import tax and custom duties – let's just crank the price down on MD. :)
Post by: RSC on Wed, 20 September 2017, 16:21:24
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 20 September 2017, 16:27:00
Candykeys maybe? They already have Originative sets and are currently acting as a EU proxy for SP's DSA Run and Maxkey's SA Calm Depths.
Without a doubt this set is going to be run through MD, it's Mito we're talking about. It's also too big not to be run through them.
Post by: Chromatrope on Wed, 20 September 2017, 16:27:37
Blame your countries import policies not the vendor, it is illegal for vendors to lie about the contents of your package. As big as massdrop is they don't want to deal with that ****. I am not a massdrop white knight I have just been fed up with eu folks complaining about import policies without understanding how it works.
I think you misunderstand both my post and what I wish to accomplish with it.
1. I am not complaining about MD not circumventing import regulations. I am merely disappointed that Massdrop = no shipping from EU, and mentioned that that ended up tipping the scale in favour of not jumping on this one for me.
2. I wish to accomplish precisely nothing. Saw matter discussed, saw an opportunity to toss in 2 cents, tossed 2 cents, attempted to run but apparently failed.
If an EU proxy/front is possible then good, but there's been plenty huge buys and I have yet to heart of one instance of Massdrop EU proxy so one would figure there's something preventing that. Alas, I do not know enough to judge.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 20 September 2017, 16:51:16
Couldnt eu then organise a proxy similar to how china deals with it?Blame your countries import policies not the vendor, it is illegal for vendors to lie about the contents of your package. As big as massdrop is they don't want to deal with that ****. I am not a massdrop white knight I have just been fed up with eu folks complaining about import policies without understanding how it works.
I think you misunderstand both my post and what I wish to accomplish with it.
1. I am not complaining about MD not circumventing import regulations. I am merely disappointed that Massdrop = no shipping from EU, and mentioned that that ended up tipping the scale in favour of not jumping on this one for me.
2. I wish to accomplish precisely nothing. Saw matter discussed, saw an opportunity to toss in 2 cents, tossed 2 cents, attempted to run but apparently failed.
If an EU proxy/front is possible then good, but there's been plenty huge buys and I have yet to heart of one instance of Massdrop EU proxy so one would figure there's something preventing that. Alas, I do not know enough to judge.
Unless I'm mistaken and don't understand the logistics of it.
Sorry about that, in your earlier post I thought you were referring to changing the price declaration.
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Post by: Katakhain on Thu, 21 September 2017, 01:23:00
Post by: avid on Fri, 22 September 2017, 06:04:33
Post by: Data on Fri, 22 September 2017, 08:21:19
SA oblivion drop is over. I hope Laser is next up!
Please, for the love of god, let it be next. :-X
Post by: Perfex on Fri, 22 September 2017, 08:24:45
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 22 September 2017, 09:39:05
Just to know that Laser is near.
Today I've got UK78, I'm ordering zealios 78 and then putting it on shelf till Laser arrives.
Post by: Perfex on Fri, 22 September 2017, 10:18:01
Post by: Softkore on Fri, 22 September 2017, 10:44:21
Post by: nightdriver on Fri, 22 September 2017, 16:35:02
No offence to Oblotzky, but I've been waiting for SA Oblivion to end.
Just to know that Laser is near.
Today I've got UK78, I'm ordering zealios 78 and then putting it on shelf till Laser arrives.
zealio 78s are so nice!
Post by: pyridine on Sat, 23 September 2017, 14:03:10
(of lasers)
Post by: HotRoderX on Sat, 23 September 2017, 17:01:23
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 23 September 2017, 18:35:47
I know I am deep deep minority on this but I hope this don't drop tell November. I already blown my entire fun budget for October.. I really want this keyset but as it stands I most likely have to pass depending on lot of factors.
Blasphemy!
Post by: BlackInk on Sun, 24 September 2017, 00:27:08
Post by: Corgi Butts on Sun, 24 September 2017, 01:31:55
Post by: ye_cole on Sun, 24 September 2017, 20:58:36
laser pls
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 26 September 2017, 01:58:09
I thought it was only oblivion in front of it :(
laser pls
Is there confirmation that there's more in front of it?
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 26 September 2017, 10:58:50
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 26 September 2017, 12:37:47
not today :(
I’d guess they won’t do another key set till like next Monday.
Post by: avid on Tue, 26 September 2017, 19:35:43
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 27 September 2017, 02:11:02
Doesnt massdrop send out mail a few day in advance for stuff they promote? I know i got mail for stuff like the liquid carbon amps.
They do, but they usually actually post it to the site before that even happens. The main reason I'm guessing not until next week at earliest is just cause then it will be October.
Post by: avid on Sat, 30 September 2017, 13:31:13
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 30 September 2017, 13:42:25
It's in the massdrop queue, there are/were other keysets ahead of it.Which ones
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 30 September 2017, 13:56:41
It's in the massdrop queue, there are/were other keysets ahead of it.Which ones
who knows
we'll see if it comes up next or not
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 30 September 2017, 15:34:19
It's in the massdrop queue, there are/were other keysets ahead of it.Which ones
who knows
we'll see if it comes up next or not
He is stating there is others ahead of it, which suggests he should have some facts to base that on
Post by: schoolbus on Sat, 30 September 2017, 15:46:45
It's in the massdrop queue, there are/were other keysets ahead of it.Which ones
who knows
we'll see if it comes up next or not
He is stating there is others ahead of it, which suggests he should have some facts to base that on
*sigh*
I'm pretty sure he was speaking vaguely and referencing more the fact that Oblivion dropped before Laser.
We haven't seen any indication that there is any other set above Laser in Massdrop's queue. Massdrop/the Designer is usually good at hyping up a set when it's about their turn in the queue, which MiTo has been more or less doing for the entire year.
AFAIK, there has never been a *surprise* keycap drop, everyone has had some indication in advance.
Relax and be patient, I'm sure MiTo will be providing more information soon. It's no mystery this set is super hyped, hell this IC has 20 pages.
Massdrop has been dropping a lot of keycap fire lately, but also dealing with a lot of controversial backlash- they're probably just waiting at the pub for things to cool down.
Post by: ye_cole on Sun, 01 October 2017, 09:48:50
based mito
where u at
:(
All jokes aside, really exited for this set. Cannot wait.
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 03 October 2017, 13:18:34
Post by: colgateam on Tue, 03 October 2017, 13:46:20
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22180010_1510775765656795_496373060495910026_o.png?oh=a7f5620bd6ae45f4e4c8f46ecb5bfc2c&oe=5A411967)
Post by: thekiddzac on Tue, 03 October 2017, 14:06:42
I know I am deep deep minority on this but I hope this don't drop tell November. I already blown my entire fun budget for October.. I really want this keyset but as it stands I most likely have to pass depending on lot of factors.
Blasphemy!
Congratulations, they have heeded your call and will be dropping in November '18...
Great job, buddy.
Post by: ptiede on Tue, 03 October 2017, 14:48:24
I know I am deep deep minority on this but I hope this don't drop tell November. I already blown my entire fun budget for October.. I really want this keyset but as it stands I most likely have to pass depending on lot of factors.
Blasphemy!
Congratulations, they have heeded your call and will be dropping in November '18...
Great job, buddy.
Where did you hear this?
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 03 October 2017, 14:55:10
I know I am deep deep minority on this but I hope this don't drop tell November. I already blown my entire fun budget for October.. I really want this keyset but as it stands I most likely have to pass depending on lot of factors.
Blasphemy!
Congratulations, they have heeded your call and will be dropping in November '18...
Great job, buddy.
Are you serious?
The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long.
And this IC has burn so very very brightly.
Post by: thekiddzac on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:40:47
I know I am deep deep minority on this but I hope this don't drop tell November. I already blown my entire fun budget for October.. I really want this keyset but as it stands I most likely have to pass depending on lot of factors.
Blasphemy!
Congratulations, they have heeded your call and will be dropping in November '18...
Great job, buddy.
Where did you hear this?
I was just razzing HotRoderX who said they hope it doesn't drop until November. I'm in the same boat as everyone, just waiting. For all I know it might be next November, or next week.
Post by: HotRoderX on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:53:29
Post by: ptiede on Tue, 03 October 2017, 18:35:28
https://www.instagram.com/p/BZyr-YIlyAm/
Post by: Perfex on Tue, 03 October 2017, 18:53:02
Longest hype train ever though.
On another note I’m excited to see all the must have collab add-ons he has planned for this keyset.
Post by: fmauNeko on Wed, 04 October 2017, 09:16:58
I want it and I will keep it forever... Or at least until a SA variant is made.
Post by: xtianyves on Wed, 04 October 2017, 11:16:48
Please take my money.
I want it and I will keep it forever... Or at least until a SA variant is made.
^ this. I want it in GMK and SA LOL. Goodbye wallet!
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 04 October 2017, 11:50:12
The best option for me would be Matt3o's hi-pros, but I don't think that reverse dye-sub is possible atm with such detalization.
Post by: schoolbus on Wed, 04 October 2017, 11:54:55
SA won't support such complicated legends. Not in doubleshot technology at least (not to mention that molds themselves would cost a fortune).
The best option for me would be Matt3o's hi-pros, but I don't think that reverse dye-sub is possible atm with such detalization.
SA could certainly support a lot of the legends he has here, just look at the "Out of the Vault" packs or SA camping. It's certainly possible and SP charges less for molds than GMK anyway so I don't understand where you're coming from.
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 04 October 2017, 12:26:57
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 04 October 2017, 13:24:31
SA won't support such complicated legends. Not in doubleshot technology at least (not to mention that molds themselves would cost a fortune).
The best option for me would be Matt3o's hi-pros, but I don't think that reverse dye-sub is possible atm with such detalization.
SA could certainly support a lot of the legends he has here, just look at the "Out of the Vault" packs or SA camping. It's certainly possible and SP charges less for molds than GMK anyway so I don't understand where you're coming from.
Point taken. Most likely, I just don't want SP to run it with their backlog.
Post by: BennyAndTheJets on Wed, 04 October 2017, 13:58:50
Post by: jnav on Wed, 04 October 2017, 23:29:37
Post by: txclack on Thu, 05 October 2017, 12:42:53
Post by: jnav on Fri, 06 October 2017, 01:31:20
Post by: Perfex on Fri, 06 October 2017, 02:12:24
This is probably a stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyway... Maxkey makes SA profile keycaps and the look pretty good in photos but I don't see people turning to them as an alternative to Signature Plastics. What gives?
I would imagine it has to do with brand loyalty and any quality issues that arose in comparison with SA, sort of like assuming it’s of lesser quality just because it’s a clone... despite that fact SA key caps are reminiscent of older keycaps and are also a copy.
Here is a thread about the comparison
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5z8dda/review_maxkeys_sa_vs_sp_sa_read_description/
Although the community as a whole has been very accepting of clone MX switches, it would appear keycaps clones aren’t regarded with the same diverse views yet.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 06 October 2017, 02:25:47
Post by: Trousers on Fri, 06 October 2017, 02:32:31
This is probably a stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyway... Maxkey makes SA profile keycaps and the look pretty good in photos but I don't see people turning to them as an alternative to Signature Plastics. What gives?
My guess would be that Maxkeys doesn't have the same customization options. Like they don't produce any ISO sets as they apparently don't have the molds (or so I've read). I've longingly looked into their SA sets, but since I use a Swedish/Finnish layout, it's never been a real option.
I would think they are a fine option if you want more affordable SA sets with a standard ANSI layout. But if you want anything more custom (novelties, ISO, 40%, etc), maybe they're not up to the task.
I do wish they did up their game, as more competition could really help with the crazy prices and waiting times.
Post by: Wolf123rt on Fri, 06 October 2017, 10:58:26
Post by: GreyAmbience on Fri, 06 October 2017, 11:09:23
This is probably a stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyway... Maxkey makes SA profile keycaps and the look pretty good in photos but I don't see people turning to them as an alternative to Signature Plastics. What gives?People are blinded by habits.
MaxKeys quality is just as good if not better than SP. They ship way faster and costs way way less. They actually listen to the customer and make corrections according to our wishes.
I have no idea what the obsession with SP is. Merika' maybe?
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Post by: schoolbus on Fri, 06 October 2017, 11:30:40
Post by: forevermadrigal on Fri, 06 October 2017, 11:31:58
Their prices aren't really competitive anymore, the Maxkeys Calm Depths set costs $130.
idk how much you gotta pay for the keys you get in maxkeys to get in sp, but would you rather pay 130 and get in a few months or pay 130 and wait over a year for it?
Post by: Corgi Butts on Fri, 06 October 2017, 12:38:29
https://imgur.com/gallery/aFN3r
Post by: Rumpleteazer on Fri, 06 October 2017, 18:25:07
Post by: rehael on Fri, 06 October 2017, 18:32:52
Anyone have an idea of what kind price the base set may go for?
Considering past drops, not more than $150, even considering that Laser's base might be a little bit larger than other GMK sets. But this drop will be popular, so I hope it will drop to $99. ;)
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 06 October 2017, 20:23:16
Anyone have an idea of what kind price the base set may go for?
Considering past drops, not more than $150, even considering that Laser's base might be a little bit larger than other GMK sets. But this drop will be popular, so I hope it will drop to $99. ;)
GMK raised their prices recently, so it might be over 150 at first
Post by: Landcaps on Fri, 06 October 2017, 22:46:25
Post by: ioioioio on Sat, 07 October 2017, 14:24:00
Post by: ye_cole on Sat, 07 October 2017, 22:20:01
Quote
Their prices aren't really competitive anymore, the Maxkeys Calm Depths set costs $130.
cause of the metric ****ton of new molds tho (6000 dollar mold fee where you at)
i mean, base maxkey 127 key set is still hella cheap. their prices aren't going up. if a set were to use the molds I had made, it would be (off the top of my head) priced around $90 dollars (assuming they took same profits as maxkey kits priced at 80 dollars). Cheaper than GMK, you can use pantone colors without driving up set MOQ, and it's SA.
they're a good ass manufacturer, with fast turnaround times. What more can you ask for, really?
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 07 October 2017, 23:46:38
What more can you ask for, really?
Cherry Profile :P
Post by: ye_cole on Sat, 07 October 2017, 23:51:19
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Post by: jnav on Sun, 08 October 2017, 23:36:10
This is probably a stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyway... Maxkey makes SA profile keycaps and the look pretty good in photos but I don't see people turning to them as an alternative to Signature Plastics. What gives?
My guess would be that Maxkeys doesn't have the same customization options. Like they don't produce any ISO sets as they apparently don't have the molds (or so I've read). I've longingly looked into their SA sets, but since I use a Swedish/Finnish layout, it's never been a real option.
I would think they are a fine option if you want more affordable SA sets with a standard ANSI layout. But if you want anything more custom (novelties, ISO, 40%, etc), maybe they're not up to the task.
I do wish they did up their game, as more competition could really help with the crazy prices and waiting times.
Just ponied up for Maxkey SA Lime so I guess I'll get to judge Maxkey for myself. $99 is pretty darn good, even if you don't get a ton of options. I agree that a little competition is always a good thing. I would guess that it costs a TON of money to increase capacity considering all the tooling and equipment costs involved. Signature Plastics is probably doing the best they can so the more manufacturers the merrier.
https://kono.store/products/maxkey-lime-group-buy
Post by: HotRoderX on Mon, 09 October 2017, 00:53:14
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 09 October 2017, 05:43:34
Post by: hndle on Mon, 09 October 2017, 07:03:30
Post by: MacGruber117 on Mon, 09 October 2017, 15:30:25
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 09 October 2017, 15:35:40
Does anyone know if the Japanese sublegends on the Gaijin set will be doubleshot?
Yes they will.
Post by: ye_cole on Mon, 09 October 2017, 15:37:53
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Post by: MacGruber117 on Mon, 09 October 2017, 15:38:03
Great! I couldn't find any info confirming that, thanksDoes anyone know if the Japanese sublegends on the Gaijin set will be doubleshot?
Yes they will.
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Post by: Corgi Butts on Tue, 10 October 2017, 10:01:01
No Laser listed :(
Post by: ye_cole on Tue, 10 October 2017, 11:04:07
Post by: MeloDet on Thu, 12 October 2017, 15:58:10
Post by: Ouhei on Thu, 12 October 2017, 16:06:04
Well, looks like HotRoder is going to be happy. With this https://mitormk.com/legacy/ (https://mitormk.com/legacy/) news I'm guessing Laser won't be coming until November.Seems kind of odd to run this now, since the Rush scheme is fairly similar to Laser...
Post by: schoolbus on Thu, 12 October 2017, 16:18:41
Well, looks like HotRoder is going to be happy. With this https://mitormk.com/legacy/ (https://mitormk.com/legacy/) news I'm guessing Laser won't be coming until November.
Doesn't say anything about when it's going to drop.
Mito, y u do this?
Post by: colbs on Thu, 12 October 2017, 16:38:33
Follow the Massdrop link from that page. Mito says it is dropping Monday. The laser wait continuesWell, looks like HotRoder is going to be happy. With this https://mitormk.com/legacy/ (https://mitormk.com/legacy/) news I'm guessing Laser won't be coming until November.
Doesn't say anything about when it's going to drop.
Mito, y u do this?
Post by: schoolbus on Thu, 12 October 2017, 17:51:44
Follow the Massdrop link from that page. Mito says it is dropping Monday. The laser wait continuesWell, looks like HotRoder is going to be happy. With this https://mitormk.com/legacy/ (https://mitormk.com/legacy/) news I'm guessing Laser won't be coming until November.
Doesn't say anything about when it's going to drop.
Mito, y u do this?
Yeah, I saw.
This displeases me greatly. Especially because he basically puts Laser into this DSA drop and I hate DSA.
Post by: HotRoderX on Thu, 12 October 2017, 18:26:41
Post by: BlackInk on Thu, 12 October 2017, 18:27:38
Post by: rehael on Thu, 12 October 2017, 18:40:34
he had something special and unique planned for this set
Every month I take a bit of my salary aside especially for this drop. This drop has its own special wallet at my place. If this set drops in November, then I'm afraid, very, very afraid, that it will be madness with spending hard earned money on some plastic things… But I'm Laserfocused on getting as much specials to fill my Laser–needs and accompany my custom–designed Laser keyboard. And I hope for November – because December is yearly bonus month, and my SO may freak out
Post by: MeloDet on Thu, 12 October 2017, 18:42:39
At the risk of being hated by the community I am... and I am really excited in general... cause right now there so many keycap buy's going on. That I am worried Laser wouldn't get the attention it deserves. I am totally ok with it being November release. I hope others feel the same way. I mean sure the sooner it releases the better but then we gotta hurry up and wait anyway right? Cause I mean its not like they ship it next week. I am sure GMK has a backlog of keys to produce with all the GMK sets live right now. To top it off didn't Mito say he had something special and unique planned for this set? Perhaps he still in the process of getting all that worked out. I say we just gotta be patient even thought it does suck.
That's what my guess is. I wouldn't be surprised if this (and maybe even Godspeed XDA) were created to fill the slot originally booked for Laser. Either way I'm willing to wait for Mito to get the special stuff sorted.
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 16 October 2017, 19:52:16
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 16 October 2017, 20:09:21
DSA is a creation of Satan to blind us to the truth.
Preach Brother Hashbaz. Profiles is a lie. There is only Cherry Profile.
Post by: avid on Mon, 16 October 2017, 20:12:26
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 16 October 2017, 20:27:08
So since we got a DSA laser, i doubt GMK laser is coming in november. Mito said Q4 for laser though, so december?
i believe he said it's coming after this
Post by: OracleKev on Mon, 16 October 2017, 20:30:06
I speculate the reason for delay is bottlenecked negotiation between MD and MiTo.
MiTo seems to have plans for broader Laser lineup, so MD likely is claiming broader rights beyond keycaps.
Halo switch dispute reveals a lot on how MD conducts business. While I wouldn't call MD evil, they seem ever inching toward unscrupulousness.
Hard to know what's going on, but in lieu of info I support creator in this sort of situation where community and business don't mix well.
I'm fine with waiting a little more for Laser. And I don't have problem closing my wallet to slot fillers that I don't want.
Post by: schoolbus on Mon, 16 October 2017, 21:04:35
I'm bummed Laser keeps getting delayed as well.
I speculate the reason for delay is bottlenecked negotiation between MD and MiTo.
MiTo seems to have plans for broader Laser lineup, so MD likely is claiming broader rights beyond keycaps.
Halo switch dispute reveals a lot on how MD conducts business. While I wouldn't call MD evil, they seem ever inching toward unscrupulousness.
Hard to know what's going on, but in lieu of info I support creator in this sort of situation where community and business don't mix well.
I'm fine with waiting a little more for Laser. And I don't have problem closing my wallet to slot fillers that I don't want.
Your entire post is unfounded speculation, which is kind of toxic to be quite honest- do you have anything to actually back up your claims? Or are you just spreading rumors with no basis?
The drop was always speculated to be in November, and MiTo saying the project is broader than keycaps shouldn't give you any reason to start theorizing that it means Massdrop is trying to screw him over.
The Halo Switch debate issue literally has nothing to do with MiTo or this drop, and honestly your claim "reveals a lot how MD conducts business." is a rather petty and ignorant statement that again I don't even know why you're bringing it into this discussion.
Embarrassing.
Post by: OracleKev on Mon, 16 October 2017, 22:01:38
I'm bummed Laser keeps getting delayed as well.
I speculate the reason for delay is bottlenecked negotiation between MD and MiTo.
MiTo seems to have plans for broader Laser lineup, so MD likely is claiming broader rights beyond keycaps.
Halo switch dispute reveals a lot on how MD conducts business. While I wouldn't call MD evil, they seem ever inching toward unscrupulousness.
Hard to know what's going on, but in lieu of info I support creator in this sort of situation where community and business don't mix well.
I'm fine with waiting a little more for Laser. And I don't have problem closing my wallet to slot fillers that I don't want.
Your entire post is unfounded speculation, which is kind of toxic to be quite honest- do you have anything to actually back up your claims? Or are you just spreading rumors with no basis?
The drop was always speculated to be in November, and MiTo saying the project is broader than keycaps shouldn't give you any reason to start theorizing that it means Massdrop is trying to screw him over.
The Halo Switch debate issue literally has nothing to do with MiTo or this drop, and honestly your claim "reveals a lot how MD conducts business." is a rather petty and ignorant statement that again I don't even know why you're bringing it into this discussion.
Embarrassing.
Dude, chill. I speculated and obviously it's hypothetical. No need to dramatize what I said and start judging and attacking.
Unless you are insider, you don't know what's going on. Just leave things be. Don't try to shut up people.
Time will tell.
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 16 October 2017, 22:29:17
DSA is a creation of Satan to blind us to the truth.
PreachBrotherSister Hashbaz. Profiles is a lie. There is only Cherry Profile.
I worship the Old Gods of SA (praise their eternal Sculptedness!). But Cherry will do when there is no weirwood grove convenient.
Also I'm a she.
Post by: HotRoderX on Mon, 16 October 2017, 22:30:14
I'm bummed Laser keeps getting delayed as well.
I speculate the reason for delay is bottlenecked negotiation between MD and MiTo.
MiTo seems to have plans for broader Laser lineup, so MD likely is claiming broader rights beyond keycaps.
Halo switch dispute reveals a lot on how MD conducts business. While I wouldn't call MD evil, they seem ever inching toward unscrupulousness.
Hard to know what's going on, but in lieu of info I support creator in this sort of situation where community and business don't mix well.
I'm fine with waiting a little more for Laser. And I don't have problem closing my wallet to slot fillers that I don't want.
Your entire post is unfounded speculation, which is kind of toxic to be quite honest- do you have anything to actually back up your claims? Or are you just spreading rumors with no basis?
The drop was always speculated to be in November, and MiTo saying the project is broader than keycaps shouldn't give you any reason to start theorizing that it means Massdrop is trying to screw him over.
The Halo Switch debate issue literally has nothing to do with MiTo or this drop, and honestly your claim "reveals a lot how MD conducts business." is a rather petty and ignorant statement that again I don't even know why you're bringing it into this discussion.
Embarrassing.
Dude, chill. I speculated and obviously it's hypothetical. No need to dramatize what I said and start judging and attacking.
Unless you are insider, you don't know what's going on. Just leave things be. Don't try to shut up people.
Time will tell.
look your post are boarder line conspiracy theory 101. I mean seriously the reason Mito is taking his time with this drop. Is simply because its taking time to get everything setup and put together. He even said and eluded to this. I mean there no reason to bash Massdrop other then to just bash massdrop.. if you really want to get down to brass tacks there only been one group that seems to have had issues with Massdrop. Other creators have been just fine.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 16 October 2017, 22:35:56
I'm bummed Laser keeps getting delayed as well.
I speculate the reason for delay is bottlenecked negotiation between MD and MiTo.
MiTo seems to have plans for broader Laser lineup, so MD likely is claiming broader rights beyond keycaps.
Halo switch dispute reveals a lot on how MD conducts business. While I wouldn't call MD evil, they seem ever inching toward unscrupulousness.
Hard to know what's going on, but in lieu of info I support creator in this sort of situation where community and business don't mix well.
I'm fine with waiting a little more for Laser. And I don't have problem closing my wallet to slot fillers that I don't want.
Your entire post is unfounded speculation, which is kind of toxic to be quite honest- do you have anything to actually back up your claims? Or are you just spreading rumors with no basis?
The drop was always speculated to be in November, and MiTo saying the project is broader than keycaps shouldn't give you any reason to start theorizing that it means Massdrop is trying to screw him over.
The Halo Switch debate issue literally has nothing to do with MiTo or this drop, and honestly your claim "reveals a lot how MD conducts business." is a rather petty and ignorant statement that again I don't even know why you're bringing it into this discussion.
Embarrassing.
Dude, chill. I speculated and obviously it's hypothetical. No need to dramatize what I said and start judging and attacking.
Unless you are insider, you don't know what's going on. Just leave things be. Don't try to shut up people.
Time will tell.
You are WAY off base here. This is straight fake news level. The only confirmed timeline was Q4. Just in case you weren't aware how quarters work, we are only 2 weeks into the quarter. So all of about 15%.
First let's discuss what the concept of a delay is. A delay is something happening after it is supposed to, not after you want it to. We get it, its a nice set and everyone wants it now, that doesn't mean it is READY now.
Mito has said he is planning other things to go along with the release, I would assume at least things like artisans and matching mousepads and such, but I wouldn't be surprised to see things like cases matched to the colors and whatnot. All of that takes time.
The fundamental flaw in your thinking is you are inventing a delay when NO ONE has EVER said anything ways delayed EXCEPT people who were complaining about waiting. This drop is running on time, it's just not as soon as some people would like it to be. That has never not been the case, and inventing some drama based on a delay that never happened is straight Trump logic.
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 16 October 2017, 23:03:22
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 16 October 2017, 23:12:21
I think the Race colorway is rad, and I'm totally going to blow my wad on it. I'll have enough saved up later when laser comes to market in 2018 :)
You sure it's 2018? I heard from my imaginary friend's pet rock that MassDrop delayed it until 2042 because skam science.
Post by: OracleKev on Mon, 16 October 2017, 23:29:57
I'm bummed Laser keeps getting delayed as well.
I speculate the reason for delay is bottlenecked negotiation between MD and MiTo.
MiTo seems to have plans for broader Laser lineup, so MD likely is claiming broader rights beyond keycaps.
Halo switch dispute reveals a lot on how MD conducts business. While I wouldn't call MD evil, they seem ever inching toward unscrupulousness.
Hard to know what's going on, but in lieu of info I support creator in this sort of situation where community and business don't mix well.
I'm fine with waiting a little more for Laser. And I don't have problem closing my wallet to slot fillers that I don't want.
Your entire post is unfounded speculation, which is kind of toxic to be quite honest- do you have anything to actually back up your claims? Or are you just spreading rumors with no basis?
The drop was always speculated to be in November, and MiTo saying the project is broader than keycaps shouldn't give you any reason to start theorizing that it means Massdrop is trying to screw him over.
The Halo Switch debate issue literally has nothing to do with MiTo or this drop, and honestly your claim "reveals a lot how MD conducts business." is a rather petty and ignorant statement that again I don't even know why you're bringing it into this discussion.
Embarrassing.
Dude, chill. I speculated and obviously it's hypothetical. No need to dramatize what I said and start judging and attacking.
Unless you are insider, you don't know what's going on. Just leave things be. Don't try to shut up people.
Time will tell.
You are WAY off base here. This is straight fake news level. The only confirmed timeline was Q4. Just in case you weren't aware how quarters work, we are only 2 weeks into the quarter. So all of about 15%.
First let's discuss what the concept of a delay is. A delay is something happening after it is supposed to, not after you want it to. We get it, its a nice set and everyone wants it now, that doesn't mean it is READY now.
Mito has said he is planning other things to go along with the release, I would assume at least things like artisans and matching mousepads and such, but I wouldn't be surprised to see things like cases matched to the colors and whatnot. All of that takes time.
The fundamental flaw in your thinking is you are inventing a delay when NO ONE has EVER said anything ways delayed EXCEPT people who were complaining about waiting. This drop is running on time, it's just not as soon as some people would like it to be. That has never not been the case, and inventing some drama based on a delay that never happened is straight Trump logic.
Guys, you should re-read what I said. I really don't understand why you are all worked up.
Sure, I mildly criticized MD. I don't think I outright "bash"d them. I actually believe it's natural they protect their business interests.
I'll be happy if Laser happens in Nov whether MiTo wraps up his other plannings as you claim, or MD and MiTo come to terms in the negotiation that I speculated.
Peace!
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 16 October 2017, 23:53:15
I'm bummed Laser keeps getting delayed as well.
I speculate the reason for delay is bottlenecked negotiation between MD and MiTo.
MiTo seems to have plans for broader Laser lineup, so MD likely is claiming broader rights beyond keycaps.
Halo switch dispute reveals a lot on how MD conducts business. While I wouldn't call MD evil, they seem ever inching toward unscrupulousness.
Hard to know what's going on, but in lieu of info I support creator in this sort of situation where community and business don't mix well.
I'm fine with waiting a little more for Laser. And I don't have problem closing my wallet to slot fillers that I don't want.
Your entire post is unfounded speculation, which is kind of toxic to be quite honest- do you have anything to actually back up your claims? Or are you just spreading rumors with no basis?
The drop was always speculated to be in November, and MiTo saying the project is broader than keycaps shouldn't give you any reason to start theorizing that it means Massdrop is trying to screw him over.
The Halo Switch debate issue literally has nothing to do with MiTo or this drop, and honestly your claim "reveals a lot how MD conducts business." is a rather petty and ignorant statement that again I don't even know why you're bringing it into this discussion.
Embarrassing.
Dude, chill. I speculated and obviously it's hypothetical. No need to dramatize what I said and start judging and attacking.
Unless you are insider, you don't know what's going on. Just leave things be. Don't try to shut up people.
Time will tell.
You are WAY off base here. This is straight fake news level. The only confirmed timeline was Q4. Just in case you weren't aware how quarters work, we are only 2 weeks into the quarter. So all of about 15%.
First let's discuss what the concept of a delay is. A delay is something happening after it is supposed to, not after you want it to. We get it, its a nice set and everyone wants it now, that doesn't mean it is READY now.
Mito has said he is planning other things to go along with the release, I would assume at least things like artisans and matching mousepads and such, but I wouldn't be surprised to see things like cases matched to the colors and whatnot. All of that takes time.
The fundamental flaw in your thinking is you are inventing a delay when NO ONE has EVER said anything ways delayed EXCEPT people who were complaining about waiting. This drop is running on time, it's just not as soon as some people would like it to be. That has never not been the case, and inventing some drama based on a delay that never happened is straight Trump logic.
Guys, you should re-read what I said. I really don't understand why you are all worked up.
Sure, I mildly criticized MD. I don't think I outright "bash"d them. I actually believe it's natural they protect their business interests.
I'll be happy if Laser happens in Nov whether MiTo wraps up his other plannings as you claim, or MD and MiTo come to terms in the negotiation that I speculated.
Peace!
I have finally realized where the flaw in your logic is. Because of your spite for massdrop you have failed to realize that MiTo is EXTREMELY active on massdrop.
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/455/laser-gmk
Here is mito answering your question 2 weeks ago:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171017/3158cb61e5ecf6cdffde2040fd9083df.png)
And this is the person from MD who runs the keyboard section waiting for laser just like us:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171017/bd5184f36c977630b24e7622cdaa671f.png)
The reason we are saying you are inventing a conspiracy is because we DO have word from the creator. You just haven’t been listening.
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Post by: Petch on Tue, 17 October 2017, 02:55:42
Are the novelties pad printed?
Post by: ioioioio on Tue, 17 October 2017, 06:13:37
I'm bummed Laser keeps getting delayed as well.
I speculate the reason for delay is bottlenecked negotiation between MD and MiTo.
MiTo seems to have plans for broader Laser lineup, so MD likely is claiming broader rights beyond keycaps.
Halo switch dispute reveals a lot on how MD conducts business. While I wouldn't call MD evil, they seem ever inching toward unscrupulousness.
Hard to know what's going on, but in lieu of info I support creator in this sort of situation where community and business don't mix well.
I'm fine with waiting a little more for Laser. And I don't have problem closing my wallet to slot fillers that I don't want.
Your entire post is unfounded speculation, which is kind of toxic to be quite honest- do you have anything to actually back up your claims? Or are you just spreading rumors with no basis?
The drop was always speculated to be in November, and MiTo saying the project is broader than keycaps shouldn't give you any reason to start theorizing that it means Massdrop is trying to screw him over.
The Halo Switch debate issue literally has nothing to do with MiTo or this drop, and honestly your claim "reveals a lot how MD conducts business." is a rather petty and ignorant statement that again I don't even know why you're bringing it into this discussion.
Embarrassing.
Dude, chill. I speculated and obviously it's hypothetical. No need to dramatize what I said and start judging and attacking.
Unless you are insider, you don't know what's going on. Just leave things be. Don't try to shut up people.
Time will tell.
You are WAY off base here. This is straight fake news level. The only confirmed timeline was Q4. Just in case you weren't aware how quarters work, we are only 2 weeks into the quarter. So all of about 15%.
First let's discuss what the concept of a delay is. A delay is something happening after it is supposed to, not after you want it to. We get it, its a nice set and everyone wants it now, that doesn't mean it is READY now.
Mito has said he is planning other things to go along with the release, I would assume at least things like artisans and matching mousepads and such, but I wouldn't be surprised to see things like cases matched to the colors and whatnot. All of that takes time.
The fundamental flaw in your thinking is you are inventing a delay when NO ONE has EVER said anything ways delayed EXCEPT people who were complaining about waiting. This drop is running on time, it's just not as soon as some people would like it to be. That has never not been the case, and inventing some drama based on a delay that never happened is straight Trump logic.
Guys, you should re-read what I said. I really don't understand why you are all worked up.
Sure, I mildly criticized MD. I don't think I outright "bash"d them. I actually believe it's natural they protect their business interests.
I'll be happy if Laser happens in Nov whether MiTo wraps up his other plannings as you claim, or MD and MiTo come to terms in the negotiation that I speculated.
Peace!
I have finally realized where the flaw in your logic is. Because of your spite for massdrop you have failed to realize that MiTo is EXTREMELY active on massdrop.
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/455/laser-gmk
Here is mito answering your question 2 weeks ago:Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171017/3158cb61e5ecf6cdffde2040fd9083df.png)
And this is the person from MD who runs the keyboard section waiting for laser just like us:Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171017/bd5184f36c977630b24e7622cdaa671f.png)
The reason we are saying you are inventing a conspiracy is because we DO have word from the creator. You just haven’t been listening.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Hey mito,read this drama,can you end this drama with dropping laser?!!!!
Post by: schoolbus on Tue, 17 October 2017, 07:07:32
......
...
...
... MD and MiTo come to terms in the negotiation that I speculated.
Peace!
Again, you literally have no basis or information other than a completely hypothetical theory for this based on completely unrelated circumstances.
The cliche "grasping for straws" has never been more apt.
I would advise you just keep your outlandish theories to yourself unless you have any concrete evidence for this. It's just simply not your place to make up stories.
MiTo has worked with Massdrop for quite some time now and the fact that he's hosting another DIFFERENT drop right now through them would lead me to believe his relationship with Massdrop has probably never been better.
We all wanted Laser to drop, none of us saw the current drop coming- but it is what it is.
I would say a "better" theory is the one that is backed by everyone up to this point- that the drop will be more than just keycaps and will involve other merchandise which requires Massdrop/MiTo coordinating with more than just GMK as a vendor.
We get it, you probably don't like Massdrop, but that doesn't give you free reign to make up fake propaganda to support your narrative.
Post by: eMps on Fri, 20 October 2017, 12:37:09
I'm glad Colevrak will be offered!
I actually prefer blanks on the ErgoPlanck.
The Gaijin vs Monogana is quite even, so I really hope both will be put in. I prefer the clean look of the Monos, and I think it would look really good with ErgoBlancks on the Preonic I've ordered.
Post by: ye_cole on Fri, 20 October 2017, 23:14:36
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Post by: _rubik on Sun, 22 October 2017, 20:20:22
Post by: Golgo13 on Tue, 24 October 2017, 09:55:07
This set looks awesome, MiTo.
Any chance the Ergodox kit will get legends?
I am studying the possibility of offering ErgoBlanck and ErgoPlanck kits.
Laser's looking good!
Have you considered adding essential Planck keys in the Base Kit and removing it from the ErgoPlank Kit instead? Because to cover the default layout with correct legends, you just need a few more keys.
R2 Tab, R3 Esc and R4 Enter are the 3 essential 1u keys for default Planck coverage. The additional R2 Tab will also help with some 40% layouts.
Less essential is R4 Shift (there's already an R4 Fn and R4 Hack key which can be used in its place), and R3 ' " in mod colours.
You would also need to add 2 x 1u R4C keys and 1 x 2u R4C key in the Spacebar Kit.
Doing this would result in a considerably cheaper option for Planck/Preonic users as all they need to get is Base + Spacebars.
This does mean the Base Kit and Spacebar Kit may go up slightly in price, but the resulting Ergodox kit will be reduced by a fair bit too. Of course you can leave your planned ErgoBlank kit in for people who desire blank mods.
Just some of my thoughts after Nautilus' less than desirable options for Planck/Preonic users.
Just want to reaffirm my desire for this.
Post by: ye_cole on Tue, 24 October 2017, 09:59:26
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Post by: Corgi Butts on Tue, 24 October 2017, 10:03:03
Post by: Marvellion on Tue, 24 October 2017, 11:00:15
I wish mito had some information to share about the current status of the project. :confused:
My hype has been dead for a while, hope there will be something to rekindle it.
Post by: energyd on Tue, 24 October 2017, 11:41:10
Post by: dubious on Tue, 24 October 2017, 11:47:42
Do you guys know would the set look great with a purple case (kbd75 for example)
IMO the purples on most keyboards would clash with the colors of Laser (more blue than purple). But for some people, they are both sorta purpley and that's good enough :rolleyes:
Post by: ye_cole on Tue, 24 October 2017, 12:11:19
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Post by: avid on Tue, 24 October 2017, 12:11:27
Do you guys know would the set look great with a purple case (kbd75 for example)
I will use a black keyboard for laser. The colors will already be so loud and hard to find matching purple.
Post by: elfick on Tue, 24 October 2017, 12:38:53
Post by: Shenpai on Tue, 24 October 2017, 13:15:05
Post by: energyd on Tue, 24 October 2017, 15:10:08
Do you guys know would the set look great with a purple case (kbd75 for example)
I will use a black keyboard for laser. The colors will already be so loud and hard to find matching purple.
Yea...Looks like black will be the only option unless I can find a purple/hot pink that match the laser color exactly..
Post by: Corgi Butts on Tue, 24 October 2017, 15:15:21
I'm thinking brushed stainless would tie in with the "88" novelty quite nicely.
Like the color of a DeLorean.
(https://i.imgur.com/MgqESDl.jpg)
Post by: rehael on Tue, 24 October 2017, 15:26:48
Like the color of a DeLorean.
Almost: https://dmc-watch.com/products/b734adg-t213b-l1dn ;)
Post by: Corgi Butts on Tue, 24 October 2017, 15:31:42
Like the color of a DeLorean.
Almost: https://dmc-watch.com/products/b734adg-t213b-l1dn ;)
Also yes.
Post by: elfick on Tue, 24 October 2017, 19:35:06
Now I'm trying to figure out how I can translate the lines of a DeLorean into a keyboard case...I'm thinking brushed stainless would tie in with the "88" novelty quite nicely.
Like the color of a DeLorean.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MgqESDl.jpg)
Post by: lordgiblite on Wed, 25 October 2017, 17:54:53
Post by: SynkRz on Thu, 26 October 2017, 05:21:21
Post by: GreyAmbience on Thu, 26 October 2017, 05:36:07
Robocop DeLorean keyboard plsNow I'm trying to figure out how I can translate the lines of a DeLorean into a keyboard case...I'm thinking brushed stainless would tie in with the "88" novelty quite nicely.
Like the color of a DeLorean.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MgqESDl.jpg)
Post by: Theodoooore on Thu, 26 October 2017, 14:14:48
Post by: ye_cole on Thu, 26 October 2017, 14:17:29
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Post by: poolside on Thu, 26 October 2017, 16:26:53
https://imgur.com/R0uXsnp
Notice how the time unit was casually left out of that sentence :p
Post by: energyd on Thu, 26 October 2017, 17:17:21
https://imgur.com/R0uXsnp
Notice how the time unit was casually left out of that sentence :p
True...
Post by: Data on Sat, 28 October 2017, 22:18:25
Convenient.https://imgur.com/R0uXsnp
Notice how the time unit was casually left out of that sentence :p
Post by: ioioioio on Mon, 30 October 2017, 11:36:55
Post by: darthzero on Tue, 31 October 2017, 07:11:48
this will coming after legacy right miTo??!!Before would be tricky^^
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 31 October 2017, 10:09:08
Post by: avid on Tue, 31 October 2017, 16:37:36
Post by: digi on Tue, 31 October 2017, 16:44:43
Post by: HotRoderX on Tue, 31 October 2017, 18:19:17
Post by: ioioioio on Tue, 31 October 2017, 18:20:40
I think were closed. Mito posted this on reddit just a day ago when someone asked about laser "Keep an eye out these days!"
are you serious??
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 31 October 2017, 21:20:57
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 31 October 2017, 21:22:56
Just to clarify: this is dropping any day now right??
nobody knows
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 01 November 2017, 00:12:04
Just to clarify: this is dropping any day now right??
nobody knows
Or do they?
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 01 November 2017, 00:23:40
Just to clarify: this is dropping any day now right??
Most likely will know more next week. Seems like Massdrop tends to drop keysets week apart and does them for 4 weeks. We don't see it next week then most likely won't see it till December are later. That being said. They could change/alter when they drop the set but my guess is we will see this shortly as there been other small little signs to point to this set possibly dropping soon.
Post by: chrisbot5000 on Wed, 01 November 2017, 08:49:49
Post by: _PixelNinja on Wed, 01 November 2017, 09:56:12
Now I'm trying to figure out how I can translate the lines of a DeLorean into a keyboard case...Funny you mention that — the reason I bought a dark grey Clueboard CNC is because the lines and color reminded me of a DeLorean.
Post by: _rubik on Wed, 01 November 2017, 12:34:00
Just to clarify: this is dropping any day now right??
Most likely will know more next week. Seems like Massdrop tends to drop keysets week apart and does them for 4 weeks. We don't see it next week then most likely won't see it till December are later. That being said. They could change/alter when they drop the set but my guess is we will see this shortly as there been other small little signs to point to this set possibly dropping soon.
The next question is how long it will take to ship. I don't know much of GMK turnarounds. I've been waiting for this set for over a year... waiting another year would nearly kill me.
Post by: xondat on Wed, 01 November 2017, 12:37:52
Just to clarify: this is dropping any day now right??
Most likely will know more next week. Seems like Massdrop tends to drop keysets week apart and does them for 4 weeks. We don't see it next week then most likely won't see it till December are later. That being said. They could change/alter when they drop the set but my guess is we will see this shortly as there been other small little signs to point to this set possibly dropping soon.
GMK takes about 4 months.
The next question is how long it will take to ship. I don't know much of GMK turnarounds. I've been waiting for this set for over a year... waiting another year would nearly kill me.
Post by: plklupu on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:08:22
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mito-gmk-laser-custom-keycap-set
Dropping this Friday!
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:14:06
Uh, guys...
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mito-gmk-laser-custom-keycap-set
Dropping this Friday!
Well, that's exciting news.
Post by: Corgi Butts on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:19:08
Post by: Valaris on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:24:33
Post by: iliptikal on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:28:35
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:32:14
Well looking at the kits I think I'm going Kobe alphas, Blocknet modifiers, Mitowaves novelties, then Ergo & Spacebars for good measure. Lets hit those MOQ's so it doesn't hurt as bad pls.
seriously be shocked if everything doesn't hit max MOQ that sets very complete! I expect bare minimal 1500+ buys for the main set. I wouldn't be shocked if it hit 2000 truth be told are even more. I wonder if there will be price breaks at those higher levels like. 2000-3000
Post by: lordgiblite on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:33:11
(Please let me know if I just missed that in the thread somewhere)
Post by: iliptikal on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:34:28
Where did the Pacman and Space Invader novelty go?!?!?!?!?! I'm still purchasing but really saddened by this :'(My guess would be that they infringe on IP, and Mito/MD couldn't get permission to use the images.
(Please let me know if I just missed that in the thread somewhere)
Post by: lordgiblite on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:35:29
Where did the Pacman and Space Invader novelty go?!?!?!?!?! I'm still purchasing but really saddened by this :'(My guess would be that they infringe on IP, and Mito/MD couldn't get permission to use the images.
(Please let me know if I just missed that in the thread somewhere)
Gotcha, makes sense. But that still sucks :p
Post by: plklupu on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:36:17
Where did the Pacman and Space Invader novelty go?!?!?!?!?! I'm still purchasing but really saddened by this :'(
(Please let me know if I just missed that in the thread somewhere)
I loved those novelties and I too am mourning their disappearance.
Press F to pay respects.
Post by: lordgiblite on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:36:43
Post by: Perfex on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:38:31
Where did the Pacman and Space Invader novelty go?!?!?!?!?! I'm still purchasing but really saddened by this :'(
(Please let me know if I just missed that in the thread somewhere)
I’m not exactly sure what you mean, I still see them in the novelties on the first post as well as Mito’s page.
Post by: lordgiblite on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:40:06
Where did the Pacman and Space Invader novelty go?!?!?!?!?! I'm still purchasing but really saddened by this :'(
(Please let me know if I just missed that in the thread somewhere)
I’m not exactly sure what you mean, I still see them in the novelties on the first post as well as Mito’s page.
My bad, I was referencing the Massdrop page that popped up today for the drop which is now confirmed as Nov 3!
The novelties there do not have either Pacman or Space Invaders. Most likely due to licensing.
Post by: Perfex on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:42:33
Where did the Pacman and Space Invader novelty go?!?!?!?!?! I'm still purchasing but really saddened by this :'(
(Please let me know if I just missed that in the thread somewhere)
I’m not exactly sure what you mean, I still see them in the novelties on the first post as well as Mito’s page.
My bad, I was referencing the Massdrop page that popped up today for the drop which is now confirmed as Nov 3!
The novelties there do not have either Pacman or Space Invaders. Most likely due to licensing.
Wow, that’s pretty much kills this buy for me :(
Post by: ye_cole on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:46:48
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Post by: avid on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:47:37
Soo what do you guys plan on ordering? Im in for base, but havent decided on the other. Probably Gaijin too.
Post by: get_weird on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:51:14
Post by: Valaris on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:51:35
Post by: rehael on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:52:53
Well, that's exciting news.
Not for my wallet! :D Your and MiTo's drop on the same time. I only hope my November salary will come in in time before these end.
Post by: lordgiblite on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:54:29
Does anyone have an idea for the pricing of the gaijin and kobe kits?
According to Massdrop there are price drops but the prices at start are $79.99 USD
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 01 November 2017, 14:56:38
Where did the Pacman and Space Invader novelty go?!?!?!?!?! I'm still purchasing but really saddened by this :'(
(Please let me know if I just missed that in the thread somewhere)
I’m not exactly sure what you mean, I still see them in the novelties on the first post as well as Mito’s page.
My bad, I was referencing the Massdrop page that popped up today for the drop which is now confirmed as Nov 3!
The novelties there do not have either Pacman or Space Invaders. Most likely due to licensing.
Wow, that’s pretty much kills this buy for me :(
Most likely had to yank them cause of copyright =( which stinks those were two of my favorites.. I understand thought having to make sure Mito stay's safe and so does massdrop.
Post by: Perfex on Wed, 01 November 2017, 15:05:45
Where did the Pacman and Space Invader novelty go?!?!?!?!?! I'm still purchasing but really saddened by this :'(
(Please let me know if I just missed that in the thread somewhere)
I’m not exactly sure what you mean, I still see them in the novelties on the first post as well as Mito’s page.
My bad, I was referencing the Massdrop page that popped up today for the drop which is now confirmed as Nov 3!
The novelties there do not have either Pacman or Space Invaders. Most likely due to licensing.
Wow, that’s pretty much kills this buy for me :(
Most likely had to yank them cause of copyright =( which stinks those were two of my favorites.. I understand thought having to make sure Mito stay's safe and so does massdrop.
Yeah I completely understand, but I’m still gut wrenched about it... they pretty much completed the set.
I guess I have some time to dwell on it for a while, there are still some good novelties.
Post by: avid on Wed, 01 November 2017, 15:16:33
Does anyone have an idea for the pricing of the gaijin and kobe kits?
65 / 60 / 46 (250/500/1000)
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 01 November 2017, 15:16:58
Post by: pvd on Wed, 01 November 2017, 15:23:42
Post by: ye_cole on Wed, 01 November 2017, 15:26:15
Also, I'm somewhat miffed about the novelties not being supported for planck keys. I've actually gone ahead and ordered a dyesub version to be made for my ortho coming in, with the ghosts and pac man included.
https://i.imgur.com/0tchpd7.png
But yeah. Anyway, super hyped for the set, and I'm glad it finally came to fruition. I'm wondering what else Mito has planned to go with the set. :)
Post by: eMps on Wed, 01 November 2017, 15:37:27
Post by: dodgeyhack on Wed, 01 November 2017, 15:45:02
Post by: ullr on Wed, 01 November 2017, 17:26:12
Post by: rioc on Wed, 01 November 2017, 17:37:15
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Post by: pomk on Wed, 01 November 2017, 17:51:05
Mito! WHY NO ISO ENTER WITH BLOCKNET??!No support for iso with blocknet
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No support for iso with gaijin
No support for iso with kobe
Euro kit supports only DE
...
I guess I can now happily remove my massdrop account. :-*
Good riddance.
Post by: avid on Wed, 01 November 2017, 17:58:30
Mito! WHY NO ISO ENTER WITH BLOCKNET??!No support for iso with blocknet
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No support for iso with gaijin
No support for iso with kobe
Euro kit supports only DE
...
I guess I can now happily remove my massdrop account. :-*
Good riddance.
-Gaijin / kobe both miss 1 key. (Hopefully Mito can fix this)
-blocknet: ISO enter missing?
-euro kit: compromized scandinavian set.
I assume there isnt anything else missing from the gajin/kobe/blocknet.
Post by: pomk on Wed, 01 November 2017, 18:36:12
The euro kit was just fine earlier in the renders. Stripping swe/fi/no/dk support at this stage is jut silly. 9009 international kit polls show that eight out of ten people prefer to have proper support, and supporting just one language well is borderline offensive to the rest.Mito! WHY NO ISO ENTER WITH BLOCKNET??!No support for iso with blocknet
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No support for iso with gaijin
No support for iso with kobe
Euro kit supports only DE
...
I guess I can now happily remove my massdrop account. :-*
Good riddance.
-Gaijin / kobe both miss 1 key. (Hopefully Mito can fix this)
-blocknet: ISO enter missing?
-euro kit: compromized scandinavian set.
I assume there isnt anything else missing from the gajin/kobe/blocknet.
One other thing with the kobe set, beside the silly name, is that it does not map to jis layout. I understand that gaijin is ansi first in order to support weeaboo user base in the states, but there should not be a reason to use some make-believe layout for the japanese legends only set.
Post by: autobot on Wed, 01 November 2017, 18:42:50
Post by: ullr on Wed, 01 November 2017, 18:55:52
(https://i.imgur.com/KrUOkm6.png)
This is what is needed, by my estimation, to outfit an actual Japanese keyboard. Add a few extra novelties and it will hit MOQ no question. Couldn’t resist one more whack on this dead horse ;)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 01 November 2017, 21:47:15
For your considerationShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/KrUOkm6.png)
This is what is needed, by my estimation, to outfit an actual Japanese keyboard. Add a few extra novelties and it will hit MOQ no question. Couldn’t resist one more whack on this dead horse ;)
It is a shame there is no full JIS coverage, I think I'd rather have that than some of the replacement novelties :P. I'd build a JIS keyboard just for kicks.
Post by: ullr on Wed, 01 November 2017, 22:24:02
For your considerationShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/KrUOkm6.png)
This is what is needed, by my estimation, to outfit an actual Japanese keyboard. Add a few extra novelties and it will hit MOQ no question. Couldn’t resist one more whack on this dead horse ;)
It is a shame there is no full JIS coverage, I think I'd rather have that than some of the replacement novelties :P. I'd build a JIS keyboard just for kicks.
Crazy to think the last time I was pushing for JIS support in this thread my only keyboard with that physical layout was a Pingmaster, now I have an actual JIS Filco and two GH60’s (going on three) where the top four rows are physically JIS :))
I use a custom layout and I like having twelve punctuation keys ISO style, and all on the right. I think a good Japanese kit would get me to learn some Japanese
Post by: Koatl on Thu, 02 November 2017, 00:12:59
Post by: eMps on Thu, 02 November 2017, 00:34:39
Edit: 1u added
Post by: nightdriver on Thu, 02 November 2017, 00:43:44
Post by: rioc on Thu, 02 November 2017, 02:05:58
What’s up with the translucent TKL? Any info on that? Looks hot!The first ducky one models were translucent
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Post by: Draic on Thu, 02 November 2017, 02:15:18
Post by: rioc on Thu, 02 November 2017, 03:26:38
Caps Loco didn't make the cut either :(
damn, missed that... that's really a shame!
Post by: Valaris on Thu, 02 November 2017, 10:13:06
Post by: _rubik on Thu, 02 November 2017, 17:48:45
For your considerationShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/KrUOkm6.png)
This is what is needed, by my estimation, to outfit an actual Japanese keyboard. Add a few extra novelties and it will hit MOQ no question. Couldn’t resist one more whack on this dead horse ;)
It is a shame there is no full JIS coverage, I think I'd rather have that than some of the replacement novelties :P. I'd build a JIS keyboard just for kicks.
Crazy to think the last time I was pushing for JIS support in this thread my only keyboard with that physical layout was a Pingmaster, now I have an actual JIS Filco and two GH60’s (going on three) where the top four rows are physically JIS :))
I use a custom layout and I like having twelve punctuation keys ISO style, and all on the right. I think a good Japanese kit would get me to learn some Japanese
I remember fighting that JIS battle with you. I'm still crushing for a JIS set for my hhkb, but I guess I'll have to wait. Either way, I think this set will have to go on another board for the time being :(
Post by: poolside on Thu, 02 November 2017, 18:18:58
For your considerationShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/KrUOkm6.png)
This is what is needed, by my estimation, to outfit an actual Japanese keyboard. Add a few extra novelties and it will hit MOQ no question. Couldn’t resist one more whack on this dead horse ;)
It is a shame there is no full JIS coverage, I think I'd rather have that than some of the replacement novelties :P. I'd build a JIS keyboard just for kicks.
I would gladly pay a little more for complete JP alphas as well. If the order counts for the Japanese sets go through the roof, GMK might gift us with these missing keycaps, who knows. They already threw in a few free caps with Carbon and Yuri but those did not require new molds.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 02 November 2017, 21:28:15
For your considerationShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/KrUOkm6.png)
This is what is needed, by my estimation, to outfit an actual Japanese keyboard. Add a few extra novelties and it will hit MOQ no question. Couldn’t resist one more whack on this dead horse ;)
It is a shame there is no full JIS coverage, I think I'd rather have that than some of the replacement novelties :P. I'd build a JIS keyboard just for kicks.
I would gladly pay a little more for complete JP alphas as well. If the order counts for the Japanese sets go through the roof, GMK might gift us with these missing keycaps, who knows. They already threw in a few free caps with Carbon and Yuri but those did not require new molds.
If nothing else, getting all these molds done will make it easier for someone else to make the last few. Maybe Red Dragon could do full JIS.
Post by: xantiema on Thu, 02 November 2017, 22:20:54
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 02 November 2017, 23:02:13
What is "blocknet" based on - the design/icons etc.
Canvas
Post by: Corgi Butts on Fri, 03 November 2017, 08:17:21
(https://i.imgur.com/BiCYWUX.jpg)
Post by: skidude9678 on Fri, 03 November 2017, 08:17:56
Post by: ewwgin on Fri, 03 November 2017, 08:22:29
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Post by: rehael on Fri, 03 November 2017, 08:24:33
Never have I been so satisfied burning holes in my pocket...
Hype materialization is wonderful, isn't it? :cool:
Post by: Corgi Butts on Fri, 03 November 2017, 08:28:41
Never have I been so satisfied burning holes in my pocket...
Hype materialization is wonderful, isn't it? :cool:
For the 2 minutes it took to check out. Now it's back to 6 months of waiting for it to ship!
Post by: Corgi Butts on Fri, 03 November 2017, 08:33:10
Quote
During the upcoming weeks we will be offering exclusive collaborations to celebrate the Laser culture. Exciting side drops will take place between some known community members and Massdrop. Other independent community creators/contributors will be expressing their creativity and passion for our project too, following their own terms.
We would like to thank every single one of you for the incredible support during the development phase, and we expect you all to have a very pleasant and unique experience with the Laser universe. We wanted to do justice to our keyset manufacturer capabilities, so everything we are presenting was conceived following top quality industry guidelines and state of the art technology, the best we can possibly offer so you can enjoy the purple hype.
Laser is filled with cultural references and it inspired me and JoTo to write together a cyberpunk short story dedicated to the project. Hands on Deck - The Laser GMK Short Story by MiTo and JoTo is debuting Nov. 3rd on my website. You'll have the chance to support independent artists and dive deep inside the universe we shaped. At the same time, I'm gonna be offering limited edition trinkets that I prepared myself here in Brazil and I hope you enjoy them. This is going to be the Laser Shoppo grand opening!
Outatime!
🦄 TO KEEP TRACK OF THE COMMISSIONS & UNIVERSE VISIT THE HOTPAGE BELOW 🦄
https://mitormk.com/laser
Post by: Wongstongs on Fri, 03 November 2017, 12:05:27
Post by: GreyAmbience on Fri, 03 November 2017, 12:08:25
It's already over 1,000 orders...in 3 hoursMassdrop counts every part of the set as an order tough.
If you order cyberdeck, kobe and blocknet that's 3 orders...
Don't know why they do that, it is very miss leading
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 03 November 2017, 15:42:32
Massdrop counts every part of the set as an order tough.
If you order cyberdeck, kobe and blocknet that's 3 orders...
Don't know why they do that, it is very miss leading
Still impressive, I'm pretty sure it took Nautilus and Yuri several days to reach 1k. I'd wager base kit is sitting at around 600 right now but I guess we'll see once Yanbo releases the numbers at the end of the day.
Post by: digi on Fri, 03 November 2017, 16:19:08
Post by: BrintaVett on Fri, 03 November 2017, 16:46:26
Post by: xondat on Fri, 03 November 2017, 16:48:37
No EU proxy? Cyberdeck and Gaijin costs me 300+ bucks if I count in VAT and import fees, thats just insane. Gotta draw the line somewhere. Real shame.
Move to the US?
You'd be paying probably $15-20 less if there was an EU proxy.
Post by: BrintaVett on Fri, 03 November 2017, 16:55:29
Anyways, still happy for everyone this set is going strong. Maybe I'll jump in for just the Cyberdeck at the end of Nov.
Post by: rehael on Fri, 03 November 2017, 17:11:16
…if I count in VAT and import fees…
1. I'm in EU too.
2. VAT would be added to EU price anyway – just like in GMK Eclipse, when EU is charged 19% German VAT on top of base price, giving €135 ~= $157 for base kit of GMK Eclipse, while base GMK Laser is $140. So the product itself is cheaper when buying in USA.
3. Find someone (person or company) that will ship this to you from USA. There are ways to do it safely and save money. Someone may fly this in to EU, or you can seek shipping companies which specialise in shenanigans like this one. Question if it's totally legal or just barely legal is left as an exercise for the reader… ;)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 03 November 2017, 17:12:07
I understand the way it works, but its frustrating to see all these awesome sets on massdrop which are produced in Germany while I live in NL. Fees are killing it. GMK Eclipse is the only one running with CandyKeys, and yeah thats ALOT cheaper for me. But it looks like that one is not running at all.
Which fees are you talking about? UK generally has about $10 of handling fees (I think it's worth it so I don't have to file my own import taxes).
I've noticed a lot of people seem to think charges are all "fees", where most of it is the ~20% VAT.
Post by: avid on Fri, 03 November 2017, 17:13:44
No EU proxy? Cyberdeck and Gaijin costs me 300+ bucks if I count in VAT and import fees, thats just insane. Gotta draw the line somewhere. Real shame.
Can you break that down? They will most likely cost 110 + 45 so thats about $150. VAT is what, 20%? (Which you would pay anyway) so about $180 right? With shipping around $200.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 03 November 2017, 17:51:42
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 03 November 2017, 20:36:13
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-mito-gmk-laser-custom-keycap-set/community_20171103113218.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&dpr=3)
Gaijin beat Kobe by more than 2 times. Where are all the Hiragana voters at? :p :p :p
EDIT: This is noice
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment/3mzT2UOUQOqPeiUjOSfi_Laser%20status%20171103.PNG?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=min&h=425&dpr=3)
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 03 November 2017, 20:43:00
(https://i.imgur.com/KoeK30m.jpg)
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 03 November 2017, 20:52:21
All the Massdrop normies that even know the poll was a thing are buying Gaijin. All the Hiragana voters are too busy touch typing to put in their orders right away.Show Image(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/001/290/938/4a7.jpg)
When something is the norm, it always outnumbers the niche :p Banter aside, I'm very impressed that both kits break MOQ so quickly and so easily. I guess MD's mechkey community is just really that big compare to a year or 2 ago and that MiTo's teases and hype works were super effective. The blocknet kit was a nice surprise for me. I think I mentioned before that I love the icon mods from Canvas but I never thought MiTo would put them in Laser hehe.
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 03 November 2017, 21:12:23
When something is the norm, it always outnumbers the niche :p Banter aside, I'm very impressed that both kits break MOQ so quickly and so easily. I guess MD's mechkey community is just really that big compare to a year or 2 ago and that MiTo's teases and hype works were super effective. The blocknet kit was a nice surprise for me. I think I mentioned before that I love the icon mods from Canvas but I never thought MiTo would put them in Laser hehe.
Haha I agree, impressive that they're doing as well as they are - I still expect it to get a little closer toward the end but I have no doubt Gaijin will beat Kobe out; regardless, I don't think either of them will have a problem getting to the 500 mark at all once the buy is done. I'm glad both sides are getting what they wanted!
Post by: HotRoderX on Fri, 03 November 2017, 23:44:59
Number after the first day:Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-mito-gmk-laser-custom-keycap-set/community_20171103113218.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&dpr=3)
Gaijin beat Kobe by more than 2 times. Where are all the Hiragana voters at? :p :p :p
EDIT: This is noiceShow Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_comment/3mzT2UOUQOqPeiUjOSfi_Laser%20status%20171103.PNG?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=min&h=425&dpr=3)
Those are the numbers from earlier they were posted like 4-5hrs after the drop was live... thats how quickly its been selling. I really think this drop is going to easily hit the 1500-2000 mark.. and curious if there are more price breaks the further it goes.
Post by: BrintaVett on Sat, 04 November 2017, 01:57:14
No EU proxy? Cyberdeck and Gaijin costs me 300+ bucks if I count in VAT and import fees, thats just insane. Gotta draw the line somewhere. Real shame.
Can you break that down? They will most likely cost 110 + 45 so thats about $150. VAT is what, 20%? (Which you would pay anyway) so about $180 right? With shipping around $200.
Just check this out, it's in dutch but you'll catch my drift. It's not a 100% guarantee that it'll go like this but packages from US are rarely skipped by customs here: http://www.invoercalculator.nl
286 dollars for gaijin/cyberdeck. GMK base kit + random novelties set through CandyKeys is about 200/210ish max depending on OQ.
I'll wait and see later this month, prolly can't control myself and go for gaijin, blocknet, mitowaves and spacebar kit so I can cover a 75% board.
Post by: atomicus on Sat, 04 November 2017, 08:35:36
Post by: _rubik on Sat, 04 November 2017, 09:58:16
All the Massdrop normies that didn't even know the poll was a thing are buying Gaijin. All the Hiragana voters are too busy touch typing to put in their orders right away.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/KoeK30m.jpg)
/r/gatekeeping much? Like I get the touch typing argument, and I'm right there with it... But I'll be pulling the trigger on the Gaijin set just because I like the a e s t h e t i c. I think a lot of folks are doing the same, but are a little to shy to speak up.
Post by: Petch on Sat, 04 November 2017, 10:23:38
No EU proxy? Cyberdeck and Gaijin costs me 300+ bucks if I count in VAT and import fees, thats just insane. Gotta draw the line somewhere. Real shame.
Can you break that down? They will most likely cost 110 + 45 so thats about $150. VAT is what, 20%? (Which you would pay anyway) so about $180 right? With shipping around $200.
Not him but for me it would be
Cyberdeck $110
Gaijin $46
Shipping $17
VAT $35
'Handling fee' $15
Total $223
Post by: autobot on Sat, 04 November 2017, 10:24:09
Ordered:
2 Cyberdecks
1 Gaijin
1 Kobe
1 Blocknet
1 Mitowaves
1 Ergo (future-proof the set if I like ergo boards)
1 Spacebars
Can’t wait to put these on my Venice Pink and Astrophysical Purple Norbauer Cases! May is a looong ways away, but the wait will be sooo worth it.
Now to decide if I want the matching cables from Mechcables from Massdrop or Pexon...
Post by: ewwgin on Sat, 04 November 2017, 10:32:13
I’ve been really into Retro Wave Music for almost 3 years now, and always loved 80’s Pop Culture so this is the ultimate key set for me. Thank you so much for bringing this to life MiTo!Nice!!! I have an Astrophysical Purple Norbauer Case coming in as well specially for GMK Laser. Will probably get my cable from Pexon too. Love their quality and customer service!
Ordered:
2 Cyberdecks
1 Gaijin
1 Kobe
1 Blocknet
1 Mitowaves
1 Ergo (future-proof the set if I like ergo boards)
1 Spacebars
Can’t wait to put these on my Venice Pink and Astrophysical Purple Norbauer Cases! May is a looong ways away, but the wait will be sooo worth it.
Now to decide if I want the matching cables from Mechcables from Massdrop or Pexon...
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Post by: BrintaVett on Sat, 04 November 2017, 10:45:02
No EU proxy? Cyberdeck and Gaijin costs me 300+ bucks if I count in VAT and import fees, thats just insane. Gotta draw the line somewhere. Real shame.
Can you break that down? They will most likely cost 110 + 45 so thats about $150. VAT is what, 20%? (Which you would pay anyway) so about $180 right? With shipping around $200.
Not him but for me it would be
Cyberdeck $110
Gaijin $46
Shipping $17
VAT $35
'Handling fee' $15
Total $223
Don't you guys have import duties as well in the UK? 'Cause that's what's driving the price up as well. Anyhows, if all MOQ's are hit max than it'll be a bit less pain in my wallet, that's true for shure.
Blocknet, Gaijin, Mitowaves and spacebar combo would look reaaaaaaaally sweet though. Having patience sucks balls.
Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 04 November 2017, 11:03:10
No EU proxy? Cyberdeck and Gaijin costs me 300+ bucks if I count in VAT and import fees, thats just insane. Gotta draw the line somewhere. Real shame.
Can you break that down? They will most likely cost 110 + 45 so thats about $150. VAT is what, 20%? (Which you would pay anyway) so about $180 right? With shipping around $200.
Not him but for me it would be
Cyberdeck $110
Gaijin $46
Shipping $17
VAT $35
'Handling fee' $15
Total $223
So what part would you be saving? Just wondering. Thought you paid shipping and VAT no matter what?
Post by: xondat on Sat, 04 November 2017, 11:05:59
No EU proxy? Cyberdeck and Gaijin costs me 300+ bucks if I count in VAT and import fees, thats just insane. Gotta draw the line somewhere. Real shame.
Can you break that down? They will most likely cost 110 + 45 so thats about $150. VAT is what, 20%? (Which you would pay anyway) so about $180 right? With shipping around $200.
Not him but for me it would be
Cyberdeck $110
Gaijin $46
Shipping $17
VAT $35
'Handling fee' $15
Total $223
So what part would you be saving? Just wondering. Thought you paid shipping and VAT no matter what?
Overall the cost will be slightly higher as you effectively pay for Germany (GMK) -> USA -> EU (buyer) shipping instead of Germany (GMK) -> EU (vendor) -> EU (buyer). And handling fees.
This is like $10-15 though lol
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 04 November 2017, 11:31:48
So what part would you be saving? Just wondering. Thought you paid shipping and VAT no matter what?
Brain cells. That's about it, other than that it's mostly what Xondat said - you pay a little more than just VAT because you pay extra to DHL and you pay customs handling/storage (at least in Portugal).
I paid 60€ extra for the HD650 headphones I got off of Massdrop for example, they're an easy one to work with because their price was exactly $200 shipped - 23% (our VAT) of 200 is 46, so I should've paid 46 dollars (45€), the extra 15€ (so $20~) are the courier handling/storage fees.
Doesn't exactly break the bank and definitely does not warrant the outcry it gets 90% of the time but as said, it still saves me brain cells. It's a quality of life thing, every single time I get a shipment from MD I need to wait to receive the request for the documentation needed (ID and proof of purchase) which usually takes about a week after its arrival in the country, I then have to email it to them and THEN half the time they deem it unacceptable for whatever outworldly reason and I have to drive 45 minutes to the customs HQ and wait 3 hours in line to handle it myself.
It's a hassle but it's not MD's fault, it's my (and many others') country's fault.
Post by: a_ak57 on Sat, 04 November 2017, 14:37:18
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 04 November 2017, 15:19:41
I do find it amusing that after months and pages upon pages arguing about which of gaijin/kobe should be the one included, when the actual set drops both of them hit MOQ the first day. What I (or rather my wallet) don't find amusing is that I'm looking at a $350-400 cart right now.
How’d you get your cart so small? I can’t bring myself to remove anything. At least there will be more price drops (I’d imagine we’ve already hit a few more since there has been another like 500 sales since the numbers were last posted.
Sadly it’s the weekend so massdrop probably won’t update till Monday.
Post by: HotRoderX on Sat, 04 November 2017, 16:09:28
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 04 November 2017, 20:15:28
I kinda wonder if this set could go into the 89-79 dollar range for the base. I mean we are already at 1700 sold in 2 days... and that doesn't include proxy buys. Which we won't see till far later. I could easily see this selling 2-3k base sets.. plus another 1500 of the special base sets.. who knows how many novelty packs. Its fun watching all these numbers come in cause every time you see update its like Christmas.. things get a bit cheaper and its like SCORE.
It's massdrop -- there are no proxies. There are only about 500 base kits sold.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 04 November 2017, 20:58:32
It's massdrop -- there are no proxies. There are only about 500 base kits sold.
Well there's the taobao proxy for all the Chinese (and other Asian) buyers, their numbers are always fairly impressive - for example with Miami Dolch they put in like 800 kits right at the end. That's really the only relevant one, though.
I'd wager about 800 bases will have sold by now, I still think 2000 will be quite handily attained but higher than that is a little bit of a stretch; maybe 2500 if people really milk it.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 04 November 2017, 22:08:28
It's massdrop -- there are no proxies. There are only about 500 base kits sold.
Well there's the taobao proxy for all the Chinese (and other Asian) buyers, their numbers are always fairly impressive - for example with Miami Dolch they put in like 800 kits right at the end. That's really the only relevant one, though.
I'd wager about 800 bases will have sold by now, I still think 2000 will be quite handily attained but higher than that is a little bit of a stretch; maybe 2500 if people really milk it.
China's hype for laser was pretty low -- but we'll see.
They like the flashy stuff.
Post by: sevenseacat on Sun, 05 November 2017, 01:46:26
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 05 November 2017, 02:10:12
Laser isn't flashy???
Not as much as GMK rainbow, iris, JTK Orange on White, or a red OTD mini.
To name a few
Post by: darthzero on Sun, 05 November 2017, 07:08:28
Post by: autobot on Sun, 05 November 2017, 07:11:00
Post by: rehael on Sun, 05 November 2017, 07:14:06
i just realize i can only outfit one TKL with all of this
I'm in for Cyberdeck, Gaijin, Mitowaves, Blocknet and Spacebars. I don't have any keyboard (yet!) to fit this on. And my choices are enough to fill two keyboards… I guess I'll just need to build something.
Post by: darthzero on Sun, 05 November 2017, 07:25:53
Yeah if it's not two TKL+ or what am i missing? At least the cluster above the arrow keys will be a problem, the f-row could be outfitted with mitowaves.i just realize i can only outfit one TKL with all of this
I'm in for Cyberdeck, Gaijin, Mitowaves, Blocknet and Spacebars. I don't have any keyboard (yet!) to fit this on. And my choices are enough to fill two keyboards… I guess I'll just need to build something.
Post by: sevenseacat on Sun, 05 November 2017, 07:43:03
Laser isn't flashy???
Not as much as GMK rainbow, iris, JTK Orange on White, or a red OTD mini.
To name a few
oh man, I wanted GMK Rainbow so bad, but came into this hobby after the GB had run :(
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 05 November 2017, 07:57:16
Laser isn't flashy???
Not as much as GMK rainbow, iris, JTK Orange on White, or a red OTD mini.
To name a few
TBH, I almost bought a few of the GMK rainbow sets I've seen up for grabs, then I look at how ****ty compatibility it had. Plus, someone was not thinking at all when they made the Fn key teal instead of purple.
I'd love a ridiculous GMK set like that though. I just want it to work with all my boards too.
oh man, I wanted GMK Rainbow so bad, but came into this hobby after the GB had run :(
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 05 November 2017, 08:17:09
But I'm quite interested in that other offers on mitormk.
I can only guess that that fish-related drop is for specific fugu artisan in Laser colorwave.
I also can't help but notice that all additional offers are related to novelties. (neurolinks for cables for instance, ramen for upcoming sale).
Are we going to get offer for each of novelty keys, or that's just element of design?
Post by: rmendis on Sun, 05 November 2017, 09:15:55
Ok, due to PP-MD issues I'm going to join for Base, Gajin and novelties the last day of drop.
But I'm quite interested in that other offers on mitormk.
I can only guess that that fish-related drop is for specific fugu artisan in Laser colorwave.
I also can't help but notice that all additional offers are related to novelties. (neurolinks for cables for instance, ramen for upcoming sale).
Are we going to get offer for each of novelty keys, or that's just element of design?
Where did you see info on a fish related drop? On mitormk? Excited if true!
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 05 November 2017, 09:33:08
Where did you see info on a fish related drop? On mitormk? Excited if true!
yepp
(https://i.imgur.com/rzWJF1Q.jpg)
Post by: autobot on Sun, 05 November 2017, 12:29:37
Oh well, this is such a rare opportunity for a synthwave fan like me!
Post by: avtar on Sun, 05 November 2017, 18:11:28
Post by: iArson on Sun, 05 November 2017, 18:39:23
Anyone willing to part with a 6.25 spacebar from the spacebars kit? That's the only one I want but seems like a steep price tag for the whole kit :-\
If the price drops to the lowest tier I plan on getting another. If that happens you can have one of mine :)
Post by: avtar on Sun, 05 November 2017, 18:44:53
Post by: ArchDill on Sun, 05 November 2017, 19:45:21
Anyone willing to part with a 6.25 spacebar from the spacebars kit? That's the only one I want but seems like a steep price tag for the whole kit :-\
If the price drops to the lowest tier I plan on getting another. If that happens you can have one of mine :)
I will be needing a 7u if I get.. Ya'll think it will be easy to get? If not I will have to buy the basekit just for the spacebar
EDIT: I will just get the SB pack and try and trade pink for purple.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 05 November 2017, 20:54:58
Anyone willing to part with a 6.25 spacebar from the spacebars kit? That's the only one I want but seems like a steep price tag for the whole kit :-\
If the price drops to the lowest tier I plan on getting another. If that happens you can have one of mine :)
I will be needing a 7u if I get.. Ya'll think it will be easy to get? If not I will have to buy the basekit just for the spacebar
EDIT: I will just get the SB pack and try and trade pink for purple.
+1 the hunt for 7u spacebars is gonna suck
Post by: lordgiblite on Sun, 05 November 2017, 20:56:06
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 05 November 2017, 21:04:30
What kind of board generally uses a 7u Spacebar? Obviously I'm slightly noobish when it comes to that lol
Winkeyless layouts
Post by: lordgiblite on Sun, 05 November 2017, 21:06:56
What kind of board generally uses a 7u Spacebar? Obviously I'm slightly noobish when it comes to that lol
Winkeyless layouts
Gotcha, thanks :) Looks like I may have a free 7u spacebar when Laser comes in lol, I love my winkey! (you know because I win with it)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 05 November 2017, 21:27:17
What kind of board generally uses a 7u Spacebar? Obviously I'm slightly noobish when it comes to that lol
Winkeyless layouts
Also viper style layouts, and some 65% and anything that uses tsangan mods.
Post by: Slopes on Mon, 06 November 2017, 05:22:19
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Post by: Slopes on Mon, 06 November 2017, 05:23:50
The cyan and the pink are not going to look like that. They are not neon colors, they don't glow. This is not going to look like the renders, I guarantee it.That's a really good point to make.
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Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 06 November 2017, 07:36:16
I love it! I think you should consider adding a 1.75u shift into the base kits. Users like myself who use boards like a tada68 are often turned away because we have to buy upwards of 3 kits to get enough for a 68key board.
What do you mean. There is a 1.75u rshift in the base kit. There always is with GMK buys.
Post by: threedawg on Mon, 06 November 2017, 07:37:02
will this fit 2 keyboard? let say a 1800 layout and a 40% board?
Post by: Slopes on Mon, 06 November 2017, 07:48:22
I meant to comment on a different thread, I am using Tapatalk and some how messed that up.I love it! I think you should consider adding a 1.75u shift into the base kits. Users like myself who use boards like a tada68 are often turned away because we have to buy upwards of 3 kits to get enough for a 68key board.
What do you mean. There is a 1.75u rshift in the base kit. There always is with GMK buys.
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Post by: HotRoderX on Mon, 06 November 2017, 15:43:37
As it says this is pure speculation but is anyone else hoping that perhaps the Fish mentioned in the advertisement could possibly be a Fugu artisan gb? It make since with the PS group buy being the test ETF knows its possible to do it now. I am sure he wouldn't get more then 500-600 orders max. Which is close to the group buy for summer! I am sure its just wishful thinking
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 06 November 2017, 15:59:23
"SPECULATION"
As it says this is pure speculation but is anyone else hoping that perhaps the Fish mentioned in the advertisement could possibly be a Fugu artisan gb? It make since with the PS group buy being the test ETF knows its possible to do it now. I am sure he wouldn't get more then 500-600 orders max. Which is close to the group buy for summer! I am sure its just wishful thinking
Just check the thread above. I do think the same thing, just not sure about the marketplace that will be used for this offer.
Post by: HotRoderX on Mon, 06 November 2017, 18:22:48
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Thu, 09 November 2017, 22:13:58
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Post by: sevenseacat on Fri, 10 November 2017, 05:47:40
Post by: mbljs5555 on Mon, 20 November 2017, 14:02:27
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Wed, 22 November 2017, 11:21:35
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 22 November 2017, 13:58:24
Please move discussion to a proper GB thread to eliminate any confusion.
Will be updating OP with the correct child kits, etc. as I don't know how to move the discussion to a proper GB thread myself.
Post by: xondat on Wed, 22 November 2017, 13:59:47
Please move discussion to a proper GB thread to eliminate any confusion.
Will be updating OP with the correct child kits, etc. as I don't know how to move the discussion to a proper GB thread myself.
Create a thread in the Massdrop section of Geekhack here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?board=184.0
Post by: avid on Wed, 22 November 2017, 14:05:08
Yes, its being ran by MD, but all the vendor subforums are terrible if you want visible threads with traffic.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 22 November 2017, 14:15:54
Please move discussion to a proper GB thread to eliminate any confusion.
>tells people to move thread
>is the only person that can move the thread
ok
Post by: xondat on Wed, 22 November 2017, 14:25:12
Please move discussion to a proper GB thread to eliminate any confusion.
>tells people to move thread
>is the only person that can move the thread
ok
He's got to live up to mod of the year 2016 somehow
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Wed, 22 November 2017, 18:53:45
Please move discussion to a proper GB thread to eliminate any confusion.
>tells people to move thread
>is the only person that can move the thread
ok
>make a new thread.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 23 November 2017, 01:34:48
Please move discussion to a proper GB thread to eliminate any confusion.
>tells people to move thread
>is the only person that can move the thread
ok
He's got to live up to mod of the year 2016 somehow
I had to do it...
(https://i.imgur.com/AkduePA.jpg)
EDIT: just to be clear i just had to do it cause i thought it was funny, not cause im mad or attacking anyone :D
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 27 November 2017, 12:49:31
Why the **** would they do that? It should have the Cherry-stem 6u space.
Post by: avid on Mon, 27 November 2017, 12:55:52
The Massdrop page says that the base set includes a "non-standard center stem 6u spacebar".
Why the **** would they do that? It should have the Cherry-stem 6u space.
Center stem is for HHKB i think. Off-center is 1800. Is there any other keyboards that use 6u?
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 27 November 2017, 13:03:23
Some of my customs use the 1800 space. Ugh hhkb isn't even Cherry stem.The Massdrop page says that the base set includes a "non-standard center stem 6u spacebar".
Why the **** would they do that? It should have the Cherry-stem 6u space.
Center stem is for HHKB i think. Off-center is 1800. Is there any other keyboards that use 6u?
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Post by: rioc on Mon, 27 November 2017, 14:11:23
The Massdrop page says that the base set includes a "non-standard center stem 6u spacebar".The last few gmk sets had both Center and off center stems on the 6U spacebar
Why the **** would they do that? It should have the Cherry-stem 6u space.
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Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 27 November 2017, 14:15:33
Which? Honeywell was Cherry only. Only the 6.25 was multistem.The Massdrop page says that the base set includes a "non-standard center stem 6u spacebar".The last few gmk sets had both Center and off center stems on the 6U spacebar
Why the **** would they do that? It should have the Cherry-stem 6u space.
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Post by: avid on Mon, 27 November 2017, 14:23:23
Which? Honeywell was Cherry only. Only the 6.25 was multistem.The Massdrop page says that the base set includes a "non-standard center stem 6u spacebar".The last few gmk sets had both Center and off center stems on the 6U spacebar
Why the **** would they do that? It should have the Cherry-stem 6u space.
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nautilus has 4 spacebars in base-kit (!!!)
Post by: rioc on Mon, 27 November 2017, 14:26:56
Carbon and yuri, however I used the spacebar from the spacebar kit...Which? Honeywell was Cherry only. Only the 6.25 was multistem.The Massdrop page says that the base set includes a "non-standard center stem 6u spacebar".The last few gmk sets had both Center and off center stems on the 6U spacebar
Why the **** would they do that? It should have the Cherry-stem 6u space.
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Post by: haydoselefantes on Mon, 27 November 2017, 15:06:32
Center stem is for HHKB i think. Off-center is 1800. Is there any other keyboards that use 6u?
My old Das Keyboard has a 6u center stem on its weird bottom row.
The last few gmk sets had both Center and off center stems on the 6U spacebar
GMK Plum had only off-center 6U (at least in the base kit).
Post by: ScottieLK on Tue, 28 November 2017, 17:48:24
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 29 November 2017, 03:25:10
The Massdrop page says that the base set includes a "non-standard center stem 6u spacebar".The last few gmk sets had both Center and off center stems on the 6U spacebar
Why the **** would they do that? It should have the Cherry-stem 6u space.
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No they didn't lol. Unless I remember wrong, the stems are too close between the 2 types, so if you include both stems you have 1 stem in your switch and another that rubs against the side of it.
Post by: ninjacore on Wed, 29 November 2017, 19:46:59
Post by: Konjungamo on Wed, 29 November 2017, 21:49:16
The Massdrop page says that the base set includes a "non-standard center stem 6u spacebar".The last few gmk sets had both Center and off center stems on the 6U spacebar
Why the **** would they do that? It should have the Cherry-stem 6u space.
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No they didn't lol. Unless I remember wrong, the stems are too close between the 2 types, so if you include both stems you have 1 stem in your switch and another that rubs against the side of it.
Nautilus did it with two space bars, one with centered stem, the other one off-center:
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Post by: ullr on Wed, 29 November 2017, 23:56:16
I think it will look stunning with a white case, but it’s going to have to fight for the spot!
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Thu, 30 November 2017, 00:10:29
Well this quarter is chock full of stuff that is costing me dearly, but I had to join if only for the novelties. A shame this set was so close to being twice as good in my esteem, but what can you do.
I think it will look stunning with a white case, but it’s going to have to fight for the spot!
I’m thinking of just novelties too, because I’m definitely going in all the way for GMK Camping.
Ideally, I’d try and get just the Laser mods from the base kit in aftermarket though
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