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does cherry mx silent red more smoother than cherry mx red?

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Polymer:

--- Quote from: polyurethane on Fri, 02 April 2021, 23:08:28 ---planning to buy leopold kb my option either mx red or silent red
which one more smoother? I've read that MX Red is known more scratchy when compared to other mx switch like blue or brown but how about silent red? and i also read that the silent read are pretty mushy and feel like membrane keyboard is it true?

TIA

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Depends on how you define mushy.  Mushy to me is when the bottom isn't uniform and can move around...So Topre, for example, is a rubber dome but stability and the way the dome is form means it is a very solid bottom.  Which differs from a typical membrane keyboard.

If by mushy you mean it isn't hard like a rock, then yes, it would be mushy.  It has a slightly cushioned bottom to prevent the clacking....

squizzler:

--- Quote from: Maledicted on Tue, 06 April 2021, 13:38:59 ---I have read, and experienced at least in the examples I have in both a tester and a board, that the silent variant is smoother. This may really only come down to the fact that silent red is a relatively new offering from Cherry, so the tooling used was fresh.

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I'm sure others would correct me but I understand that Cherry have redesigned their red switches - so-called hyperglide - which have the 100 million actuation and smoother action, and thus it is currently these with the newer design than the silent.

Maledicted:

--- Quote from: squizzler on Tue, 20 April 2021, 01:28:48 ---
--- Quote from: Maledicted on Tue, 06 April 2021, 13:38:59 ---I have read, and experienced at least in the examples I have in both a tester and a board, that the silent variant is smoother. This may really only come down to the fact that silent red is a relatively new offering from Cherry, so the tooling used was fresh.

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I'm sure others would correct me but I understand that Cherry have redesigned their red switches - so-called hyperglide - which have the 100 million actuation and smoother action, and thus it is currently these with the newer design than the silent.

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I had heard about that. That may be, for the time being. I haven't had any of these hyperglide switches and have more MX reds than I'll ever care to have already.

tacomn:
Yeah mx updated I believe only mx black,brown, red, and silver with the new hyperglides. Mx silent red is rated still of 50 mill clicks while the new glides including mx red have 100 million due to the self lubing/cleaning contacts.

polyurethane:

--- Quote from: Maledicted on Tue, 06 April 2021, 13:38:59 ---
--- Quote from: polyurethane on Fri, 02 April 2021, 23:08:28 ---planning to buy leopold kb my option either mx red or silent red
which one more smoother? I've read that MX Red is known more scratchy when compared to other mx switch like blue or brown but how about silent red? and i also read that the silent read are pretty mushy and feel like membrane keyboard is it true?

TIA

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I have read, and experienced at least in the examples I have in both a tester and a board, that the silent variant is smoother. This may really only come down to the fact that silent red is a relatively new offering from Cherry, so the tooling used was fresh. The older one in my tester was significantly smoother to my senses but I also have a board that's probably a little newer and the difference between it and standard reds I have in other boards is much smaller ... but I have also mostly compared it against a K70 I have been using heavily for the last 7 or so years, so wear over that time must have smoothed them out. Even then, without modification, nothing MX is particularly smooth.

They do feel mushy. They don't feel like rubber domes though, since rubber domes are really more of a tactile switch due to the buckling action of the dome. Imagine the overall feel of a rubber dome but totally linear with only the feel of bottoming out. Even a cheap rubber dome is often smoother than MX too though. lol


--- Quote from: tp4tissue on Sat, 03 April 2021, 07:16:57 ---
--- Quote from: polyurethane on Fri, 02 April 2021, 23:28:32 ---interesting..i thought mx red much more smoother than mx blue and brown

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MX blue is the smoothest, because the inner shaft doesn't bunch against the leaf spring. The white slider moves itself out of the way,  and the inner blue shaft is much smaller and only rubs against the white shaft slightly.

Take a BIG comforter, put the mxblue/ mxred keyboard under it, wear earplugs.  You'll notice that the blue is significantly smoother than the red.  The sound can be deceiving.
The way we perceive smoothness is through the vibration sensors in our fingers.  So a strong impulse in tactile feedback + click noise makes us perceive the travel as having a hitch, but in reality mx BLUE is smoother for a longer duration of the travel than the mx RED where the leaf spring is always rubbing against the central stem.

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I think perceiving scratchiness to begin with is also harder with clicky switches as well, because of the tactile event. You can push linears straight down gradually and feel for any grit throughout the entirety of travel. With clickies, you've got a lot more going on to occupy your senses during the tactile event. I wonder how much of that accounts for the seemingly stark difference to me between MX brown/sand and MX clear, since the latter has a perceptible tactile bump ... and feels much smoother.

I still like MX red more than MX blue these days, even though I'm a clicky guy. Linears lend themselves well to being acceptable in spite of overall mediocrity.

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thanks for sharing your experience..I've read a lot of threads and posts on geekhack and r/MK
i never had have experience with cherry so i really dont have idea how they feel like , many ppl on r/MK says bad thing about cherry such as silent red feels mushy , scratchy , and pinging which makes me hasitate to buy leopold witrh cherry switch
i like the sound of silent red ,i watched leopold typing test with silent red on youtube and the sound reminded me of silent topre which is i like it ,but do they sound like that in real life?

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