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Title: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: dante on Wed, 23 October 2013, 07:43:18: Check out ...

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50009.0

Who's in?

I need some #'s of people who would be interested to bring to Matias for his consideration.

This will be for a pcb/plate/controller. You supply the case, keycaps, diodes/etc, and switches. Might be able to get it cheaper if you buy the keycaps and switches from him also.

The goal is to have something that will easily swap into Filco compatible cases.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: pasph on Wed, 23 October 2013, 08:44:26: IN
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 23 October 2013, 08:45:04: Yes sir. I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 23 October 2013, 08:47:04: You know I'm in for this. Switches and keycaps, as well.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 23 October 2013, 08:47:49: Quote from: jdcarpe on Wed, 23 October 2013, 08:47:04
Switches and keycaps, as well.

Same here as well. I want it all!!
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Neal on Wed, 23 October 2013, 10:02:23: possibly interested, 60% of me says WANT.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 23 October 2013, 10:03:40: Quote from: Neal on Wed, 23 October 2013, 10:02:23
possibly interested, 60% of me says WANT.

Nono, you're doing it wrong. This it TKL, or 80% layout. So 80% of you says WANT.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: boost on Wed, 23 October 2013, 10:04:08: Quote from: jdcarpe on Wed, 23 October 2013, 08:47:04
You know I'm in for this. Switches and keycaps, as well.

Me too!
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: lcs on Wed, 23 October 2013, 10:08:05: It will depend on the price, but I'd be interested for the 'full package'.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Sai on Wed, 23 October 2013, 11:09:05: interested in this.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Neal on Wed, 23 October 2013, 11:28:31: Quote from: jdcarpe on Wed, 23 October 2013, 10:03:40
Quote from: Neal on Wed, 23 October 2013, 10:02:23
possibly interested, 60% of me says WANT.

Nono, you're doing it wrong. This it TKL, or 80% layout. So 80% of you says WANT.
I stand corrected. :))
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: dante on Wed, 23 October 2013, 11:52:41: Matias has suggested a fiberglass plate as it will not require tooling and will be more quiet. I suspect it may even be a little easier on the hands. Any complaints with this?
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 23 October 2013, 12:09:56: That's interesting for a plate material. It'll be interesting in seeing how that works/feels.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 23 October 2013, 12:32:14: This is really interesting, and I'm interested.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: AKmalamute on Wed, 23 October 2013, 13:41:25: Myself, I'm hoping more for Spirit's 60% alps board ... any chance the matias folks could make some poker/ANSI 60% plates when they drum up your TKL fiberglass plates?

I've had friends suggest my ergodox case be made from all fiberglass because little to no tooling is required but I didn't think it would be stiff enough -- and the plate needs to be the stiffest of all, since that's it's one job.

Well, and add heft but I guess if it's sufficiently inflexible I'll forgive the plate it's lack of specific gravity.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 23 October 2013, 15:02:54: I'd be interested.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 23 October 2013, 18:47:40: Interest.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:30:38: I think that a fiberglass plate would be like a PCB without any circuits ...

How about making the underlying PCB support both ANSI and ISO?

Personally, I would also like support for a few variations of vintage Apple layouts for the bottom row, so that vintage Apple keycaps could be used. Even 1.5 1.5 1.25 for Apple keycaps in PC layout.
It can be done, as evidenced by the Phantom and GH60.

Also, support for backlighting a few caps (Caps Lock etc.) through the transparent Matias switches, but I suppose that we all expected that.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: nourathar on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:32:54: certainly interested, but much more enthousiastic about metal plates than about fiberglass, but perhaps I'm just being conservative here..
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: ovrskeek on Thu, 24 October 2013, 17:20:19: In for the full kit.

I would pay more for a metal plate.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: argyakrivos on Thu, 24 October 2013, 17:48:14: Definitely interested as well!
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Matias on Thu, 24 October 2013, 17:51:39: Quote from: Findecanor on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:30:38
I think that a fiberglass plate would be like a PCB without any circuits ...

Exactly correct. We use fiberglass when we need plates for prototypes. It's the next best thing to steel, and is actually quieter.

Quote from: Findecanor on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:30:38
How about making the underlying PCB support both ANSI and ISO?

Yes, that is part of the plan.

And if we use fiberglass for the plate, we can probably do an ISO one as well -- since no tooling is required.

Quote from: Findecanor on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:30:38
Personally, I would also like support for a few variations of vintage Apple layouts for the bottom row, so that vintage Apple keycaps could be used. Even 1.5 1.5 1.25 for Apple keycaps in PC layout.
It can be done, as evidenced by the Phantom and GH60.

Yes, that should be okay. Just need to make sure there is no interference between ALPS and Cherry pin holes.

Quote from: Findecanor on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:30:38
Also, support for backlighting a few caps (Caps Lock etc.) through the transparent Matias switches, but I suppose that we all expected that.

Goes without saying. :-)
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Matias on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:03:04: Quote from: AKmalamute on Wed, 23 October 2013, 13:41:25
Myself, I'm hoping more for Spirit's 60% alps board ... any chance the matias folks could make some poker/ANSI 60% plates when they drum up your TKL fiberglass plates?

If Spirit wants help getting fiberglass plates done, I'm happy to provide assistence. However, I don't want to interfere with his project if he's made other arrangements.

Quote from: AKmalamute on Wed, 23 October 2013, 13:41:25
I've had friends suggest my ergodox case be made from all fiberglass because little to no tooling is required but I didn't think it would be stiff enough -- and the plate needs to be the stiffest of all, since that's it's one job.

Well, and add heft but I guess if it's sufficiently inflexible I'll forgive the plate it's lack of specific gravity.

It would likely work well for your case. If you glue or bolt together 2 layers of fiberglass, it's super stiff.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: sprit on Fri, 25 October 2013, 01:46:27: If I might say something on the Plates issue :

I recall , I myself have tried Steel, Stainless, Alumnium, Acrylic, Polycarbonate, PC-ABS, ABS, Polystylene, Polyester... Wooden .. plates in Recent years. Each has its pros and cons, IMHO

I would like to say I don't know the details in every Plate project in GH, even though I have been just seeing them at times.

For my IC's, I prepared 3 types of Plates ; No plate, Acryl plate, Alu Plate.
I excluded PolyCarbon, its too pricey to manufacturs around me, and some personal doubts of its performance relate to Type Feelings. I have some Industrial design Experience and now in someway involved in Moblie things with my aquintances...
But I would like to say, I am not that into the too-Pricey materials and higher costs in small quantity productions.

What I prefer is ; " Keep the Original materials to build a new one, Stay Reasonable in your daily Hobbies. "
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: AKmalamute on Fri, 25 October 2013, 04:24:41: Quote from: sprit on Fri, 25 October 2013, 01:46:27
If I might say something on the Plates issue :

I recall , I myself have tried Steel, Stainless, Alumnium, Acrylic, Polycarbonate, PC-ABS, ABS, Polystylene, Polyester... Wooden .. plates in Recent years. Each has its pros and cons, IMHO

Alright, thanks for that. When you first started you IC threads, you were I guess, too shy to mention you had cases and plates to go with the PCB you were hoping to see produced, and since I'm going with matias for my 60% I was pretty sure a "generic poker plate" wouldn't work since those would be sized for MX switches.

Good luck to everyone on their projects ... I'm excited to be building my first keyboard this year.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: terran5992 on Fri, 25 October 2013, 05:07:34: Hmmmmmmm alps
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Matias on Fri, 25 October 2013, 06:11:32: Quote from: sprit on Fri, 25 October 2013, 01:46:27
If I might say something on the Plates issue :

I recall , I myself have tried Steel, Stainless, Alumnium, Acrylic, Polycarbonate, PC-ABS, ABS, Polystylene, Polyester... Wooden .. plates in Recent years. Each has its pros and cons, IMHO

...

For my IC's, I prepared 3 types of Plates ; No plate, Acryl plate, Alu Plate.
I excluded PolyCarbon, its too pricey to manufacturs around me, and some personal doubts of its performance relate to Type Feelings.

Thank you for your insights, sprit.

My list of materials tried is much shorter than yours... Steel, ABS, and glass fibre. ABS was way too weak, so it did not even make it into a keyboard.

I'm going to see if we can't make the plate compatible with both ALPS and Cherry mounts. If it works, great. Otherwise, we'll just do the PCB to support both.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: sprit on Fri, 25 October 2013, 06:53:32: [attachimg=3] [attachimg=2]

[attachimg=1] [attach=4]

http://www1.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/7538613 (http://www1.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/7538613) 사진인용 : 영휘다님 정말 감사합니다 영휘님! ... 사랑해욤~
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: AKIMbO on Sun, 27 October 2013, 21:51:00: I'm instantly down for two kits. If I can just drop it into a Filco chasis...oh dear jesus yes pls!
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 28 October 2013, 13:22:13: I'd be interested for sure, with either steel or fiberglass plate.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Matias on Tue, 29 October 2013, 05:01:06: Thanks for all the feedback so far. One thing I want to ask about is the spacebar and surrounding modifier keys.

I generally favour the following...

1.5 .... 1 .... 1.5 .... 6 .... 1.5 .... 1 .... 1 .... 1.5

All the TKL that copied FILCO seem to be using this...

1.25 .... 1.25 .... 1.25 .... 6.25 .... 1.25 .... 1.25 .... 1.25 .... 1.25

What's the current thinking on 6 vs 6.25 spacebars?

Are there arguments for and against each? Is it just inertia? Do you guys care one way or the other?

Let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: AKmalamute on Tue, 29 October 2013, 11:28:06: I just looked at my 60% here at work, and it has a 6.25x spacebar. They make room for it by using only 1x meta keys. Honestly having a bunch of 1.25 meta keys seems pretentious to me, but I know the average keyboard I see around the office must have those.

Actually no, it's worse. They're sort of wedge shaped because the keyboard is 1.25x tall and the winkey is trapezoidal to transition no normal height control keys.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 29 October 2013, 11:30:40: I'm used to the modern ANSI 87 key layout which has the 6.25x spacebar. Typically my knee jerk repsonse is to go with the 6.25x. I think here it should be 6.25x so the caps you guys provide can fit on sprit's 60% Alps, the Filco Zero, Duck Mini V2, Ducky 1087XM, and other future Modern ANSI Alps layouts.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: sprit on Tue, 29 October 2013, 11:48:07: Quote from: CPTBadAss on Tue, 29 October 2013, 11:30:40
I'm used to the modern ANSI 87 key layout which has the 6.25x spacebar. Typically my knee jerk repsonse is to go with the 6.25x. I think here it should be 6.25x so the caps you guys provide can fit on sprit's 60% Alps, the Filco Zero, Duck Mini V2, Ducky 1087XM, and other future Modern ANSI Alps layouts.

[attachimg=1]

I agree 100% for sure!

The bottom Row needs to embrace 101 and 104 key Layouts (ANSI = ISO in most cases).

Supporting for the WK, WKL, Apple, HHKB is actually an easy mission, as we seen My 60% Cherry MX PCB.

For the Alps, there is another Issue, as we terribly aware of it, space bars... stabilizers, Caps, Enter....

My Fellow GH members! We may find a way to make it simple,
Let's Start from Dell, SGI, and bunch of 101, 104 first, and accommodate some other Variants.. within Our the Very Best.

A New GB for Keycaps might follow the PCB, in my humble Opinion. We have enough time to fix the PCB.

I Should confess I am a new comer, not in the tracks of You Guys, But I feel like to say a Word : I Love You Guys, I Respect You So Much!
That's why I have Joined and Happy in GH.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 29 October 2013, 14:46:59: 1.5 x 1 x 1.5 x 7 x 1.5 x 1 x 1.5 plus an off center stepped capslock would maintain the most compatibility with other common alps boards (Dell AT101, SGI, Focus, etc).
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Matias on Tue, 29 October 2013, 16:46:59: It sounds like there's no calling for a 6x spacebar. Is that correct?
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 29 October 2013, 16:50:46: Quote from: Matias on Tue, 29 October 2013, 16:46:59
It sounds like there's no calling for a 6x spacebar. Is that correct?

In my opinion, yes, I don't want a 6x spacebar. :D
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Matias on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:04:47: Okay, so our current plans are to do spacebars in the following sizes... 7x, 6.25x, 5.5x, 4.5x, 2.75x.

Have I got all bases covered with those?
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:07:35: You're wild Matias. 5.5x, 4.5x and 2.75x as spacebars?? That's crazy.

As long as you got 7x and 6.25x so we can make some ANSI 87 kits, I'm happy :D.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: AKmalamute on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:26:08: Quote from: Matias on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:04:47
Okay, so our current plans are to do spacebars in the following sizes... 7x, 6.25x, 5.5x, 4.5x, 2.75x.

Have I got all bases covered with those?
hmm. 4.5x x2 = 9x ... I just tore apart a plastic case that had room for that much in the space bar department.

Now I want a keyboard with all the space bars. I can use the 2.75 blanks as meta keys. >:D
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: sprit on Tue, 29 October 2013, 22:20:22: Quote from: Matias on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:04:47
Okay, so our current plans are to do spacebars in the following sizes... 7x, 6.25x, 5.5x, 4.5x, 2.75x.

Have I got all bases covered with those?

Sirs! I may need 6.5 space bar for my precious Apple Extended's.

As we know AEK is 1.5 1.25 1.5 6.5 1.5 1.25 1.5 = Total 15x (Apple is one of ANSI standards, I guess)

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Matias on Wed, 30 October 2013, 02:26:32: Quote from: CPTBadAss on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:07:35
You're wild Matias. 5.5x, 4.5x and 2.75x as spacebars?? That's crazy.

As long as you got 7x and 6.25x so we can make some ANSI 87 kits, I'm happy :D.

Wish it were that simple. :-)

Unfortunately, we have some boards with unique layout requirements...

(http://matias.ca/tactilepro4/viewer/7.jpg)

(http://matias.ca/miniquietpro/pc/viewer/3.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Matias on Wed, 30 October 2013, 02:53:07: Okay, the list so far appears to be...

7x - Matias Tactile/Quiet Pro, Dell AT101, SGI, Focus, etc.

6.5x - Apple Extended Keyboards

6.25x - Modern ANSI layouts - Filco, Duck Mini V2, Ducky

5.5x - Matias Laptop Pro, Mini Tactile/Quiet Pro

4.5x - Japanese Tactile Pro, Japanese Filcos

2.75x - Japanese Mini Tactile/Quiet Pro, Laptop Pro

Feel free to add to this if I've left anything out.

I'm currently siding with not doing 6.5x since it's only old Apple keyboards that use them. You can do a very similar layout with 7x, or 6.25x with a bigger Ctrl key on the left side.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 30 October 2013, 07:23:00: Quote from: Matias on Wed, 30 October 2013, 02:26:32

Quote from: CPTBadAss on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:07:35
You're wild Matias. 5.5x, 4.5x and 2.75x as spacebars?? That's crazy.

As long as you got 7x and 6.25x so we can make some ANSI 87 kits, I'm happy :D.

Wish it were that simple. :-)

Unfortunately, we have some boards with unique layout requirements...

Show Image
(http://matias.ca/tactilepro4/viewer/7.jpg)

Show Image
(http://matias.ca/miniquietpro/pc/viewer/3.jpg)

Ooo, I never realized the Quiet Pro Mini had that exact layout. Good to know!

Quote from: Matias on Wed, 30 October 2013, 02:53:07
Okay, the list so far appears to be...

7x - Matias Tactile/Quiet Pro, Dell AT101, SGI, Focus, etc.

6.5x - Apple Extended Keyboards

6.25x - Modern ANSI layouts - Filco, Duck Mini V2, Ducky

5.5x - Matias Laptop Pro, Mini Tactile/Quiet Pro

4.5x - Japanese Tactile Pro, Japanese Filcos

2.75x - Japanese Mini Tactile/Quiet Pro, Laptop Pro

Feel free to add to this if I've left anything out.

I'm currently siding with not doing 6.5x since it's only old Apple keyboards that use them. You can do a very similar layout with 7x, or 6.25x with a bigger Ctrl key on the left side.

That list looks great and I'm ok with no 6.5x as well Matias :D
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Matias on Wed, 30 October 2013, 08:30:24: Quote from: CPTBadAss on Wed, 30 October 2013, 07:23:00
Ooo, I never realized the Quiet Pro Mini had that exact layout. Good to know!

Yeah, gotta support that one. The Bluetooth version is my main board. :-)

Quote from: CPTBadAss on Wed, 30 October 2013, 07:23:00

Quote from: Matias on Wed, 30 October 2013, 02:53:07
I'm currently siding with not doing 6.5x since it's only old Apple keyboards that use them. You can do a very similar layout with 7x, or 6.25x with a bigger Ctrl key on the left side.

That list looks great and I'm ok with no 6.5x as well Matias :D

Oh, forgot to mention...

A side benefit of using 6.25x with a bigger Ctrl key on the left side (instead of 6.5x) is that it makes the Ctrl key the same size as Caps Lock, for anybody who wants to pull the caps and swap them.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: AKmalamute on Wed, 30 October 2013, 14:30:11: Quote from: Matias
A side benefit of using 6.25x with a bigger Ctrl key [...] is that it makes the Ctrl key the same size as Caps Lock, for anybody who wants to pull the caps and swap them.
+1 and well in favor of this concept.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: dante on Wed, 06 November 2013, 18:55:46: Matias,

MechanicalKeyboards.com is interested:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50047.msg1103951#msg1103951
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: sprit on Wed, 06 November 2013, 23:03:54: I would like to say ALPS 60% 75% 87% Release Candidate PCBs are Ready.
I like to add these in this PCB GB. Cases are all compatible ~
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 06 November 2013, 23:39:58: I'd say "make it a kit". Plate, PCB/controller, diodes, a bag of switches, and stabilizers.

Continuing with the theme, I'd suggest going for some overpack-- a few extra switches, an extra stabilizer or two, and a handful of extra diodes-- to ensure a zero disappointment experience.

I notice when you get seven billion variations-- Round Four, anyone?-- it ends up complex and ends up with poor economies of scale and some people getting frustrated. This also escapes a lot of "Will this support ABC?" questions because there are suitable altetrnatives provided, and a lot of "I have to go to 15 vendors for parts and pay $90 in shipping on top of it."

My vision: Four products: Case, Keycap set (ANSI + ISO as a single set, internals kit with loud switches, internals kit with quiet switches.

If a main kit + case + caps comes in for less than one of those sparkly weird new Ben Franklins, I'm in for one.
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Wed, 19 February 2014, 02:31:21: So how goes this?
Title: Re: [IC] 87 Tenkeyless ANSI Alps PCB/Controller + Plate from Matias
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 20 February 2014, 08:14:12: I think this was more wishful thinking than an actual project. Matias' did announce a 60% GB though (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54094.msg1211864#msg1211864).