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geekhack Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: tp4tissue on Tue, 22 February 2022, 00:39:22
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Plots ?
Predictions ?
Politics ?
Conspiracies ?
Post'um...
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Just go back and see what happened last time when they took over Crime EA, it's the same playbook.
The moment those two areas declared independence it was obvious what came next, now they can claim they're just protecting those oppressed rebels.
Chances are they will now sit back and wait for things to settle and once it's calm plot and scheme and do it all over again, bit by bit until the ol' Block is back together again.
That's always been Pudin's plan.
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To me it shouldn't be long before someone tries to see how much of this is down to one man and takes him out of the equation.
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22 02 22 ukraine
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To me it shouldn't be long before someone tries to see how much of this is down to one man and takes him out of the equation.
There are 50 guys just like him though, it's turtles all the way down.
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I have a bad feeling about this.
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I have a bad feeling about this.
hahaha, what do young people think ? do you guys understand the implications of thermv5 nu(l3ar w4rio ?
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To me it shouldn't be long before someone tries to see how much of this is down to one man and takes him out of the equation.
There are 50 guys just like him though, it's turtles all the way down.
Perhaps. Many of them are probably in one room at least once a month though...
I still have no idea what is to be gained by expanding territory in modern times anyway - if you steal a gold mine or oil field you can get money but I've never heard of either being found here and expanding population/soldier count is pretty meaningless when all it takes is a couple of nukes and it's all over. What he has is already impressively huge on a map, why not just focus on making it better?
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I still have no idea what is to be gained by expanding territory in modern times anyway - if you steal a gold mine or oil field you can get money but I've never heard of either being found here and expanding population/so1dier count is pretty meaningless when all it takes is a couple of n00kes and it's all over. What he has is already impressively huge on a map, why not just focus on making it better?
Mostly a pride/ego thing. But the people will suffer.
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I still have no idea what is to be gained by expanding territory in modern times anyway - if you steal a gold mine or oil field you can get money but I've never heard of either being found here and expanding population/soldier count is pretty meaningless when all it takes is a couple of nukes and it's all over. What he has is already impressively huge on a map, why not just focus on making it better?
Power, money, women...
Too much is never enough for these people no matter how much you give them.
Give them $500bil to retire they'd take it and buy something to make even more money. Take over the world, they would have to find another to take over. You will never satisfy these people.
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Last time, Crimea was easy.
The Ukrainians will put up a fight now, but Putin will claim (to people who prefer nuttyness to sanity) that that is grounds for further retaliation.
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Last time, Crimea was easy.
The Ukrainians will put up a fight now, but Putin will claim (to people who prefer nuttyness to sanity) that that is grounds for further retaliation.
I wasn't old enough at the time to know Crimea. Was America's reaction then the same as now? What was Obama and Biden role then and now?
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I work with a group where everyone grew up under the Soviets. All great engineers. Maybe Soviets should come back and frighten the West again. Entitled Anglosphere should produce more STEM graduates.
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Maybe Soviets should come back and frighten the West again.
Maybe?
They never really left, they only stopped to re-group and re-brand. Don't under estimate their capabilities or their willingness to use it (see Georgia).
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Goodness! there's an invasion! : (
I hope America + allies send more troops to stop the destruction
but then there will be America Russia war!
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Ok, here's the breakdown.
R| tro0p5 are not as well trained/equipped as N4t0 tr0op5.
If it was a matter of just vanilla fight, It'd be impossible for R| to win.
Now, that changes with < ta(t1cal nv|<es > These are not the bigboys, these are the smaller ones that level city blocks.
That is to say, if this line is crossed, There's no way to win for Either side, Even if the n4to is better equipped/ trained.
This is where the es(ala7ion sp1ral becomes SERIOUS.
Theorists suggest once ta(ticool nv|<s come out, the line is crossed, and there's not much stopping the urge to use the big ones.
ONCE we do the big ones, then nothing matters.
We will be back to the stone age within months, and it will be MadMax fury road within 1 decade.
People need to understand, Nvvks do not need to HIT the target at all. The emp from an atmo-det0na7ion alone is enough to destroy our critical grid tran5f0rmers. The production of which take 1-5 years each assuming the entirety of the infrastructure is functional. They're not even made in the USA these days due to labor cost.
It would be virtually impossible to restore electricity to "Everyone", The majority of life as we know it will cease in mere weeks.
Western nations have built up so much rea(tor waste, that there are THOUSANDS of such sites. ALL such sites require active electricity to sustain , either to keep the fuel p0ols cool, or longer term, the construction of replacement containers (concrete+steel) for the old ones breaking down (neutr0n damage).
So in the event that our grid transformers are blown, we will have multiple chern0by1 lvl incidents ALL ACROSS the country.
THERE IS NO ESCAPE. what will happen in the event of multiple me1t-d0wn is that the radz will be carried quickly by weathering all across the northern hemisphere.
Think about how difficult it was to fix "JUST" chern0by1. They had the entire functional s0viet infrastructure, and it took years. TO THIS DAY, it's not fixed, there will be on going billion dollar measures taken every 20-30 years.
When we have multiple conta1nment brea(h, ALONG with a DOWN grid, it's OVER.... The Rain will be the most deadly thing on the planet, and no amount of Bunkers/ Pills / Filtration will be enough. Radz will remain too high for surface dwelling for 3000-100,000 years. Even a billionaire won't survive, because you can not stockpile that kind of resources, and no human structure / equipment will last that long.
NOW, BRIGHT SIDE..
The engineers in charge of our w3apon sy5tems know that it's a do0m5day device and not a force projecting we4p0n, these are Caltech, MIT , legit engineers, So ON THE DAY some order is issued, there is a very large likelihood that the laun(h sy5tems will malfunction. I know we're betting on human intuition here, but this is logical.
What should you be doing... mmmm.... No good options. Just be glad you've had secs, and got to play starcraft 2 , halo infinite, arena of valor.
Life realistically wasn't going to get much better. We're at the endgame now, if things go the way it seems to be going.
(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/61.gif?w=560)
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I suspect this was all supposed to happen 4 years ago.
All those Rusky Twitter trolls and such who were sowing division between Trump and Hillary/right and left was meant to create the exact sort of chaos we have now, only problem is the wrong candidate won to achieve maximum carnage.
Unfortunately if true it means a whole lot of high ranking and important people were being used as enemy assets prior to the 2016 election either knowingly or unknowingly. Think of all the odd things involving them and our legislators over the last 5 years, not all of it made sense at the time but looking back seems to fit all too well.
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Without a doubt there has been major inf1ltration among leadership roles. Making covid political was asinine to begin with.
Or it could just all be coincidence. Either case, it's not a good time to be doing this.
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/very stressed... can't fall sleep
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Lots of back and forth on the intertubez..
Guys you forget, It was NOT capitalism, or Western Ideals, that BROKE sov1et Uni0n, it was (hernoby1...
You know who's got the oldest rotting/ poorly maintained power rea(tors on the planet ? USA, WE DO.....
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I have wondered at times if such unsearchable language in tp's topics are to avoid some perceived future repercussions, or if it's just to spice up things.
Like, harder to have opinions checked later for correct thinking™ if using obscured language *tapshead.gif*
Edit: only just noticed the OP edit. I guess that explains it.
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I just wanted to say that absolute majority of Russian people condemns this war, don’t believe Putin’s propaganda.
No one here wants war except broken, pitiful shell of a human being dictator Putin.
I’m shameful for my country.
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I just wanted to say that absolute majority of Rn people condemns this w4r, don’t believe pood1e’s prop4gand4.
No one here wants war except broken, pitiful shell of a human being dictat0r poodle.
I’m shameful for my country.
I wonder if this has to do with Na\/a1ny making a fool of the R| 0ligar(hs, including P|'s p4lace res1d3nce.
To turn at7ent1on away from said (orrup7ion, let's have a \/\/4r instead.
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I just wanted to say that absolute majority of Rn people condemns this w4r, don’t believe pood1e’s prop4gand4.
No one here wants war except broken, pitiful shell of a human being dictat0r poodle.
I’m shameful for my country.
I wonder if this has to do with Na\/a1ny making a fool of the R| 0ligar(hs, including P|'s p4lace res1d3nce.
To turn at7ent1on away from said (orrup7ion, let's have a \/\/4r instead.
Of course it is, Russian people hate Putin and he fears for his post, that’s the real reason of this invasion. It’s a propaganda tool, something to brag about during the next fake elections.
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Ughhh.. welll that's not gud' cuz, there's no easy way out of it, the only thing that'll let it come down is if a su((essful (0up occurs in R| where P| is remo\/d.
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Ughhh.. welll that's not gud' cuz, there's no easy way out of it, the only thing that'll let it come down is if a su((essful (0up occurs in R| where P| is remo\/d.
Arresting money and property of his close circle and their children in EU and US would be huge, they all have EU/US passports
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The san(71ons thing would take years.. meanwhile if the cybratx goes full bore, there won't be much of a f1nan(ial incentive left in the world.
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I just wanted to say that absolute majority of Rn people condemns this w4r, don’t believe pood1e’s prop4gand4.
No one here wants war except broken, pitiful shell of a human being dictat0r poodle.
I’m shameful for my country.
I wonder if this has to do with Na\/a1ny making a fool of the R| 0ligar(hs, including P|'s p4lace res1d3nce.
To turn at7ent1on away from said (orrup7ion, let's have a \/\/4r instead.
Of course it is, Russian people hate Putin and he fears for his post, that’s the real reason of this invasion. It’s a propaganda tool, something to brag about during the next fake elections.
Seriously,... how could he believe that
1. This would go well,
2. That the Russian people would fall for it?
Edit: Never mind. I wasn't thinking straight. Sorry.
This is not about making people have confidence in him. He is straight-up ruling through fear.
This is meant to show what a strong, powerful, dangerous man he is, so that nobody would dare to go against him. I get this now.
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I am only hoping that a coup against the looney is in the making.
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sigh.............
Tp4 spent all morn' doing the armchair \/\/4r research.
It's (Nearly) 'mpossible for R| to achieve what Puddles wants, doing it through \/iolen(e is more likely to cause \/kalele to join n4t0 out of spite.
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sigh.............
Tp4 spent all morn' doing the armchair \/\/4r research.
It's (Nearly) 'mpossible for R| to achieve what Puddles wants, doing it through \/iolen(e is more likely to cause \/kalele to join n4t0 out of spite.
Correct, but that’s not the reason, as I’ve mentioned earlier, they only care about stealing more money and buying more multimillion mansions in EU
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The spent waste storage facility at Chernobyl has been blown up and it was not empty.
All those lives and effort to keep the dust from reaching and effecting Europe may have all been for nothing.
Seriously, what the hell.
Something I worried about earlier was other countries trying to capitalize on the chaos, well, here it comes...
China has started making illegal flights into Taiwanese airspace.
All hell is breaking loose.
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The spent waste storage facility at Chernobyl has been blown up and it was not empty.
All those lives and effort to keep the dust from reaching and effecting Europe may have all been for nothing.
Seriously, what the hell.
That is indeed a serious issue. In the process of manipulating public information to cover up our OWN bad record with n\/k safety, the general awareness of rad1a7ion dangers is low.
It's not SO BAD, if all of the radz exposure was outside of the body as it is defined in guidelines. THE PROBLEM is DUST.... Just foot steps will kick if up, and once that goes inside a person, there is NO SKIN and CLOTHING to protect the body. That dust often settles in the lungs indefinitely, and it causes localized micro tumors/ necro tissue to form where it lands. This becomes a strong precursor for full blown cancer.
Where did you read the depot was blown LLann ??
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The spent waste storage facility at Chernobyl has been blown up and it was not empty.
All those lives and effort to keep the dust from reaching and effecting Europe may have all been for nothing.
Seriously, what the hell.
Something I worried about earlier was other countries trying to capitalize on the chaos, well, here it comes...
China has started making illegal flights into Taiwanese airspace.
All hell is breaking loose.
I think China is definitely at the very least watching how the free world will react to Putin’s war crimes
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The spent waste storage facility at Chernobyl has been blown up and it was not empty.
Where did you hear that?
According to the weather report for tomorrow, the wind would blow the dust against Belarus, which is not that far away from Chernobyl. After that it will turn and blow southeast over Ukraine.
The rest of Europe should be safe from immediate fallout.
China has started making illegal flights into Taiwanese airspace.
That is what I was afraid of, after hearing China's position on Putin's war. Xi Jinping and Putin had met in Beijing a couple weeks ago.
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Where did you read the depot was blown LLann ??
I've seen it at least three places but nothing has been confirmed other than Ukraine officials confirming Russia does have control of it.
The facility was actually set to open and start accepting spent fuel from all over just a few days ago so at least it wasn't at capacity. Even if intact, all it will take is a power or cooling system cut to create a major problem.
Here's one link.
https://www.rawstory.com/russian-forces-reportedly-destroy-nuclear-waste-facility-in-chernobyl/
Honestly, of all the places to fight, that has to be the dumbest.
The plant is decomissioned and therefore no real strategic value, it's all "hot", one wrong move and things go from bad to worse, and that doesn't even take into consideration the sore spot it holds in their history.
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The plant is decomissioned and therefore no real strategic value, it's all "hot", one wrong move and things go from bad to worse, and that doesn't even take into consideration the sore spot it holds in their history.
A popular theory is that the Russians are holding it hostage. They can use it as a staging area because nobody wants to bomb it.
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Honestly, of all the places to fight, that has to be the dumbest.
The plant is de(omission3d and therefore no real strategic value, it's all "hot", one wrong move and things go from bad to worse, and that doesn't even take into consideration the sore spot it holds in their history.
We always get this speech...
In real news ___ "The rad1at1on level around the nu(lear plant is within limits," ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Ig0r Ko/\ashenk0v said Friday. "
HBO's (hernoby1____ "3.6 roentgen… not great, not terrible."
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Why 'Murica can't fight R|.
It's not like the midd1e ea5t killing poorly armed guerilla conscripts. The losses were 100:1, probably 250-500:1 counting civili4n5.
Fighting R| would have fr0ntl1ne engagements anywhere between 1:1 to 1:4 at best.
"Murica" may not have the human capital or the political will for something like that.
This may be a good thing grand scheme, lowers probability of ww3, and AT WORST, Puddles succeeds , U| gov folds over, install new gov, the c1\/ilians will be fine, their life is more/less the same.
Thoughts ?
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America can't fight because Russia threaten nuke and WW3 ends the whole world
all they can do now is fund Ukraine, and break them down from the inside out using sanction.
I don't know how it will work. Very difficult situation for U.S. and allies. They cannot invade but they cannot sit there and do nothing
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as I’ve mentioned earlier, they only care about stealing more money and buying more multimillion mansions in EU
If their assets are in the EU can they not be (threatened to be) seized or destroyed? You could fit a lot of refugees in a mansion or better the rich people have influence to stop the madness. Could be very harsh on anyone who's legit and just happened to be born in the wrong place though...
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as I’ve mentioned earlier, they only care about stealing more money and buying more multimillion mansions in EU
If their assets are in the EU can they not be (threatened to be) seized or destroyed? You could fit a lot of refugees in a mansion or better the rich people have influence to stop the madness. Could be very harsh on anyone who's legit and just happened to be born in the wrong place though...
Here is the best description of the problem I think: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/opinion/russia-ukraine-sanctions-offshore-accounts.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/opinion/russia-ukraine-sanctions-offshore-accounts.html)
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as I’ve mentioned earlier, they only care about stealing more money and buying more multimillion mansions in EU
If their assets are in the EU can they not be (threatened to be) seized or destroyed? You could fit a lot of refugees in a mansion or better the rich people have influence to stop the madness. Could be very harsh on anyone who's legit and just happened to be born in the wrong place though...
The thing about sanctions is, money isn't real. R| is self sufficient, it won't be as EFFICIENT as with globalization, but they've got everything they need should they choose to press this.
No one is giving Puddles an out, The West and EU made the mistake of gradually goading U| towards n4to, causing them to choose hardline policies AGAINST R| over time. This turned out to be a bad plan because had U| chosen neutrality / compromise, we wouldn't be in this mess.
So now it's about saving face, Puddles pretty much has to win through force. The problem is HE CAN.. it won't be pretty, but he has the means to do it.
The MAIN DANGER to the west, is actually the RETURN of Drumph.
If Puddles win, it will make B1den look foolish. This could very much swing votes.
If Drumph comes back, R| gets that sweet Double indemnity. You can see this tactic being carried out clearly in the repooplinazi circuit. It's all about making B1den look bad.
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as I’ve mentioned earlier, they only care about stealing more money and buying more multimillion mansions in EU
If their assets are in the EU can they not be (threatened to be) seized or destroyed? You could fit a lot of refugees in a mansion or better the rich people have influence to stop the madness. Could be very harsh on anyone who's legit and just happened to be born in the wrong place though...
The thing about sanctions is, money isn't real. R| is self sufficient, it won't be as EFFICIENT as with globalization, but they've got everything they need should they choose to press this.
No one is giving Puddles an out, The West and EU made the mistake of gradually goading U| towards n4to, causing them to choose hardline policies AGAINST R| over time. This turned out to be a bad plan because had U| chosen neutrality / compromise, we wouldn't be in this mess.
So now it's about saving face, Puddles pretty much has to win through force. The problem is HE CAN.. it won't be pretty, but he has the means to do it.
The MAIN DANGER to the west, is actually the RETURN of Drumph.
If Puddles win, it will make B1den look foolish. This could very much swing votes.
If Drumph comes back, R| gets that sweet Double indemnity. You can see this tactic being carried out clearly in the repooplinazi circuit. It's all about making B1den look bad.
Yes, all Americans must watch this closely: this is what happens when a nationalistic populist at the helm of a country.
Trump = Putin = Xi Jinping = Hitler = Stalin
They all are pretty much the same.
It’s quite literally a battle between freedom and oppression, between light and dark.
Times of Trump administration were really scary for all the free world. Cause if even USA is falling in the dark it means no one safe.
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It’s quite literally a battle between freedom and oppression, between light and dark.
And, unfortunately, now there are the interwebs and the fact that far too many people are gullible to their influence.
Goebbels was able to accomplish the first great propaganda campaign in history with and because of radio.
A very new technology that achieved near-universal adoption over the course of barely more than a decade !
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It’s quite literally a battle between freedom and oppression, between light and dark.
And, unfortunately, now there are the interwebs and the fact that far too many people are gullible to their influence.
Goebbels was able to accomplish the first great propaganda campaign in history with and because of radio.
A very new technology that achieved near-universal adoption over the course of barely more than a decade !
I always thought we should fight this by providing people with better education and teaching of critical thinking
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Trvmp, Hit1er, Puddles, Stali/\, XJ|o
They all are pretty much the same.
It’s quite literally a battle between freedom and oppression, between light and dark.
Times of Drumph administration were really scary for all the free world. Cause if even USA is falling in the dark it means no one safe.
Mm..... It's not so simple.
Drumph is bad because he's plainly a MORON and R| has k0mproma7 on him.
Hit13r, Germany was in a bad spot, and post WWI, they were given no options to recover, so the Nationalists came to power against the perceived Western Greed (Reparations). Hitler's definitely responsible, but we can't say it was JUST him. Imperialism was STILL a primary mindset in men of power in this ERA, and that's why the tension never died. POST n\/cl3ar w3ap0ns though, imperialism was no longer practical, and so we've finally shifted away from these moves.
Puddles is dangerous because of the R| system of allegiance, this leads to alot of inefficiencies where new ideas need to be considered..
Stali/\, Welllll, he wasn't really "that bad", also not a moron, somewhat incompetent in statecraft was the issue.
XJP, honestly, not worried about the guy at all, Asians are the most pragmatic people when it comes to policy, nothing's perfect, but they're mostly Centrists, which has always been their stance post Confucianism. Given 2 extremes, they always go middle.
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I always thought we should fight this by providing people with better education and teaching of critical thinking
We can't blanket everyone with a good education. Society needs 1 engineer per 500 construction workers. 1 general per 2000 soldiers. The higher the education, the higher the self-awareness, the higher the self-awareness, the lower the obedience.
You give a guy a gun, tell him to go to iraq to die for oil, OIL that the country LEGITIMATELY NEEDS ,, he can't be smart enough to realize that (With respect TO HIMSELF), shooting oneself in the foot is a significantly better option (not the country just himself). The general population must be dumb by design, there is significant historical documentation for this. This is the only way society functions.
The large majority of humans must necessarily be drone-like. If equal education is given to all, it would be impossible to maintain control structures.
It's an unfortunate fact. But this is how it must be as long as Humans are in charge. This changes with AI though, Once AI takes over, it'll be Smoooth sailing for all the hughmahnn.
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I always thought we should fight this by providing people with better education and teaching of critical thinking
Absolutely agreed.
With critical thinking as the cornerstone. People need to recognize and reject the falsehood.
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Having a relaxing moment.. /then immediately tensing up.
It seems the sw1ft is going through, hopefully a c00p is coming ...
The uncertainty is, we just don't know HOW monopolizing the |<GB is on murdarr, if it's Nt-C0rea style, then there will still be resistance. ALTHOUGhhhhhhh.... again, c00ps are spontaneous and can overcome.
The trouble remains, it doesn't look gud' for R| if Puddles go down, no matter how things turn out. R| is not like Gurmani, turn around and build a bunch of J3w1sh memorials. So the opposition/ O1igar(h is between taking po1son, annnnd a c00p which is deeply embarrassing... This is part of the reason why Jpn has dat harakiri....
Noowwwww... If they can FORCE Puddles to commit Seppuku... This might be a little better.... Not great, but a little better....
OR, we could do ww3, sigh..... never even got 3080ti.. sigh....................
Puddles will probably HAVE to go all out now... I hope U| is prepared.....
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I can't realistically quote the incoherent gibberish that streams off of the Ergodox, I thought that keyboards were supposed to facilitate improved intelligible typing.
At any rate, it seems that Colonel Putin of the KGB remains very popular with the majority of the Russian population.
It is hard to understand, but apparently his propaganda machine has proven successful again and again.
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At any rate, it seems that Colonel puddle of the |<GB remains very popular with the majority of the R| population.
It is hard to understand, but apparently his propag4nda machine has proven successful again and again.
That only proves how effective the 'Murican propoganda machine is on fohat.dig.
No government is for the people, governments MINE the people.
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At any rate, it seems that Colonel Putin of the KGB remains very popular with the majority of the Russian population.
It is hard to understand, but apparently his propaganda machine has proven successful again and again.
Which propaganda machine told you this?
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as I’ve mentioned earlier, they only care about stealing more money and buying more multimillion mansions in EU
If their assets are in the EU can they not be (threatened to be) seized or destroyed? You could fit a lot of refugees in a mansion or better the rich people have influence to stop the madness. Could be very harsh on anyone who's legit and just happened to be born in the wrong place though...
The thing about sanctions is, money isn't real. R| is self sufficient, it won't be as EFFICIENT as with globalization, but they've got everything they need should they choose to press this.
No one is giving Puddles an out, The West and EU made the mistake of gradually goading U| towards n4to, causing them to choose hardline policies AGAINST R| over time. This turned out to be a bad plan because had U| chosen neutrality / compromise, we wouldn't be in this mess.
So now it's about saving face, Puddles pretty much has to win through force. The problem is HE CAN.. it won't be pretty, but he has the means to do it.
The MAIN DANGER to the west, is actually the RETURN of Drumph.
If Puddles win, it will make B1den look foolish. This could very much swing votes.
If Drumph comes back, R| gets that sweet Double indemnity. You can see this tactic being carried out clearly in the repooplinazi circuit. It's all about making B1den look bad.
Maybe I don't understand the current events properly but to me it seems like the West made it implicitly quite clear that they would not retaliate if Russia were to invade Ukraine. I don't think anything that is happening here would come as a surprise to anyone. I don't think everyone calling it WW3 is justified here either (at least yet), and if I were a WW2 veteran, I'd probably frown upon such a statement. Pretty sure none of us here could possibly imagine what true total war entails.
Also I'm not sure whether Ukraine leaning towards or away from NATO is consequential in the end. Russia would never have accepted Ukraine being part of NATO, but at the same time the previous president was strongly pre-Russia from what I've understood and one could just as easily make the point that this was ultimate a death sentence.
Without NATO backing, Ukraine was going to be targeted no matter what. There is no reason for Putin not to. The thing I'm still not 100% on though is what his ultimate reason for ACTUALLY doing it is though - power, prestige, propaganda, money, resources, etc. or a combination of them. That he's got little to lose seems clear, but what he stands to win isn't clear to me yet. Maybe someone from Russia or Ukraine can enlighten me on that.
It’s quite literally a battle between freedom and oppression, between light and dark.
And, unfortunately, now there are the interwebs and the fact that far too many people are gullible to their influence.
Goebbels was able to accomplish the first great propaganda campaign in history with and because of radio.
A very new technology that achieved near-universal adoption over the course of barely more than a decade !
I always thought we should fight this by providing people with better education and teaching of critical thinking
This is absolutely true. Unfortunately, reality interferes with this through Brandolini's law, particularly in the modern day and age.
For pretty much this reason it often takes centuries or even millennia to make social progress, yet mere years to undo it. This is happening in many places in Eastern Europe right now, and is marching at a devastating pace in the UK and especially the US as well.
I guess, in the end, the Right will always lie, and the Left will always be impotent.
EDIT: also, Zelensky has got some serious balls on him.
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Why do they put clear packing tape over the captured R| POW's heads ?
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Imagine being a Chechen General, and dying for Russia. Hope those Prada boots were warm.
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at the same time the previous president was strongly pre-Russia from what I've understood and one could just as easily make the point that this was ultimate a death sentence.
What was 'ultimately a death sentence'?
Without NATO backing, Ukraine was going to be targeted no matter what. There is no reason for Putin not to.
Actually no, there is no real reason for Putin to do this.
The thing I'm still not 100% on though is what his ultimate reason for ACTUALLY doing it is though - power, prestige, propaganda, money, resources, etc. or a combination of them. That he's got little to lose seems clear, but what he stands to win isn't clear to me yet. Maybe someone from Russia or Ukraine can enlighten me on that.
Putin's intention is to install a puppet government in Ukraine.
However, the costs of attempting this certainly don't justify the possible benefits. And the benefits will fail to materialise since Russia will eventually lose this war.
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Putin is ruled by his penis, like any other mob boss. The concept of a free Ukraine makes him feel emasculated.
Trump is an admirer of Putin, because Trump is also ruled by his penis. Because most of Trump's party is following him (which they are only because he is popular), they are inept against Putin, or even outright disruptive. I am horrified at what the Republican party has become.
USA was at its greatest when it was united as a voice for freedom in the world. I hope that Republican voters over there will see what I see, and find a new better way.
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Sometimes I think it'd be great not to allow children access to the Internet.
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at the same time the previous president was strongly pre-Russia from what I've understood and one could just as easily make the point that this was ultimate a death sentence.
What was 'ultimately a death sentence'?
Without NATO backing, Ukraine was going to be targeted no matter what. There is no reason for Putin not to.
Actually no, there is no real reason for Putin to do this.
The thing I'm still not 100% on though is what his ultimate reason for ACTUALLY doing it is though - power, prestige, propaganda, money, resources, etc. or a combination of them. That he's got little to lose seems clear, but what he stands to win isn't clear to me yet. Maybe someone from Russia or Ukraine can enlighten me on that.
Putin's intention is to install a puppet government in Ukraine.
However, the costs of attempting this certainly don't justify the possible benefits. And the benefits will fail to materialise since Russia will eventually lose this war.
Of course there would be a reason, such people want to devour and own everything around them, because they don’t know compassion or love
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Actually no, there is no real reason for Putin to do this.
However, the costs of attempting this certainly don't justify the possible benefits. And the benefits will fail to materialise since Russia will eventually lose this war.
From here it seems absurdly risky in every dimension, both to Putin himself and to Russia in general.
Bush Jr seemed to have forgotten the lesson of Vietnam, did Putin forget Afghanistan?
He is reportedly the richest man in the world by far, and he will turn 70 this year. Why doesn't he buy an island in Greece and a yacht, and just take it easy?
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In high-power statecraft, The moment you're perceived to be _useless_ and/or _less powerful_ Someone comes around and tries to kill you. ACTUALLY kill you.
He WISHES he could retire to a yacht and his palace, but that's just not how it works. Holding onto that much power MEANS an indefinite continuous suppression of challengers (usually killing them).
In the end it's good for no one.
The ONLY Kings who have successfully retired had extremely competent aires, (who don't try to kill the father).. Again, this also rarely happens.
FOR Puddles, he's doing exactly the right thing, FOR HIMSELF, From his perspective.
He's been challenged by the public, Na1\/any (who) the back end is probably funded by SOME other party O1igar(h that wishes to depose Puddles.
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It seems that recently this action has become much less common.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_and_executed_heads_of_state_and_government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_and_executed_heads_of_state_and_government)
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It seems that recently this action has become much less common.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_and_executed_heads_of_state_and_government (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_and_executed_heads_of_state_and_government)
The majority of heads of state aren't the actual power. There's the public story, and there's the behind the scenes. It's still pretty medieval, plenty of murder and chaos.
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Actually no, there is no real reason for Putin to do this.
However, the costs of attempting this certainly don't justify the possible benefits. And the benefits will fail to materialise since Russia will eventually lose this war.
From here it seems absurdly risky in every dimension, both to Putin himself and to Russia in general.
I wish there was an actual risk to Putin.
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I wish there was an actual risk to Putin.
If a large majority of the population becomes disenchanted with a Russian leader, is there a realistic legal mechanism to remove him?
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The opinion of the population is not really important here. There is an impeachment procedure, which is quite complicated. It requires:
* an initiative by at least 1/3 of the lower house of Russian Parliament, Gosduma
* the relevant conclusion by a special commision of Gosduma
* vote 'yes to impeachment' by 2/3 of both houses of the Parliament. United Russia, the party that's aligned with Putin, has majority in both houses of the Parliament.
* a confirmation from the Supreme Court that the President has committed a crime
* a conclusion of the Constitutional Court that the process was carried out according to the Constitution
They tried to impeach Yeltsin 3 times, and all the attemps failed. And Yeltsin's Russia wasn't a dictatorship. So I won't hold my breath about Putin.
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Without NATO backing, Ukraine was going to be targeted no matter what. There is no reason for Putin not to.
Actually no, there is no real reason for Putin to do this.
There is, and the scary part is how much some of it mimics the mistakes that lead to WW2.
While I don't agree entirely with everything here, it gives a pretty good breakdown, basically it comes down to Russia's economy is being impacted/controlled by Ukraine, N.A.T.O. is only one problem among many.
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Lil Pu's move is a tragedy but they're trying to reduce Bases on Russian border.
NATO is an American scam to stoke fires and sell weapons into countries that likely can't afford.
US has a long tradition of putting bases around a power then pointing fingers at an Aggressor.
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Lil Pu's move is a tragedy but they're trying to reduce Bases on Russian border.
NATO is an American scam to stoke fires and sell weapons into countries that likely can't afford.
US has a long tradition of putting bases around a power then pointing fingers at an Aggressor.
Stop thinking in terms of countries. It’s the people who matters. Everywhere people just want to live a peaceful life.
Democratic government’s are the best way of governance we have right now. It produces more wealth and better society, NATO protects interests of those democracies against dictatorship, which is inefficient form of governance. It’s that simple.
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Lil Pu's move is a tragedy but they're trying to reduce Bases on Russian border.
NATO is an American scam to stoke fires and sell weapons into countries that likely can't afford.
US has a long tradition of putting bases around a power then pointing fingers at an Aggressor.
Stop thinking in terms of countries. It’s the people who matters. Everywhere people just want to live a peaceful life.
Democratic government’s are the best way of governance we have right now. It produces more wealth and better society, NATO protects interests of those democracies against dictatorship, which is inefficient form of governance. It’s that simple.
NATO didn’t want to conquer Russia, they couldn’t care less about a poor 3rd world country.
I hope to live till the days when Russia joins NATO itself.
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I hope to live till the days when Russia joins NATO itself.
Let's look into history a bit: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jun/17/russia.iantraynor
Putin brandished what he described as a recently declassified 'note' from the Soviet government to western leaders from 1954.
It stated that Moscow was 'holding to its intention of entering negotiations on joining' Nato, formed five years earlier.
(...)
He then revealed that the 1954 response from the West was that 'the unrealistic nature of the proposal does not warrant discussion'.
A mischievous Putin pointed out that he suggested Russian membership of Nato a year ago [in 2000 -- iri] but was rebuffed by Madeleine Albright, then the US Secretary of State.
And while it was stressed that Russia and America could be 'allies', Colin Powell, Albright's successor, made clear that that was 'allies with a small "a"'.
More on this: https://www.deseret.com/2001/7/18/19596959/putin-wants-nato-to-let-russia-join
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at the same time the previous president was strongly pre-Russia from what I've understood and one could just as easily make the point that this was ultimate a death sentence.
What was 'ultimately a death sentence'?
I think one could make the case that Poroshenko's pro-Russianism was ultimately just as dangerous to Ukraine's survival as them trying to join NATO would have been.
Without NATO backing, Ukraine was going to be targeted no matter what. There is no reason for Putin not to.
Actually no, there is no real reason for Putin to do this.
Is there a reason for him NOT to, though? Everyone's made it clear they're not going to retaliate anyway.
The thing I'm still not 100% on though is what his ultimate reason for ACTUALLY doing it is though - power, prestige, propaganda, money, resources, etc. or a combination of them. That he's got little to lose seems clear, but what he stands to win isn't clear to me yet. Maybe someone from Russia or Ukraine can enlighten me on that.
Putin's intention is to install a puppet government in Ukraine.
Well that much is obvious but what I meant is, what's in Ukraine that he's got such a boner for? Are there material benefits, strategic ones (they already had a black sea base in the region), political ones, or is it really all just hunger for power?
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History has revealed that Khrushchev made overtures to both Eisenhower and Kennedy in efforts to thaw the Cold War, and they both made a mistake in not talking to him.
Do people not listen when Putin is actually saying?
"We do not see it as an enemy," he said. "We do not see a tragedy in its existence, but we also see no need for it."
NATO's expansion into Eastern Europe creates "different levels of security on the continent ... which does not correspond to today's realities and is not caused by any political or military necessity."
He called instead for the creation of a "single security and defense space in Europe," which he said could be achieved either by disbanding NATO, or by Russia joining it, or by the creation of a new body in which Russia could become an equal partner."
But he consistently used NATO as his boogeyman until it became "Ukraine was actually always a part of Russia."
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It's a little bit of everything.
There are easier ways to make money. It may mainly an ideology thing, and a strongman stance to hold onto power in a growingly discontented R|.
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Peace talks have begun.
Honestly, Since puddles already demonstrated that he'll commit. ..
The best thing _for the PEOPLE_ of U| is that their Gov just surrenders. It may not really matter who rules (from the people's perspective), farmer still gonna be a farmer.
The best thing _for the O1igar(hs of U| is they keep fighting, though probably hopeless, then lose on purpose by selling out internal opposition. Puddles accepts help, utilizes said Olig in puppet gov.
The best thing _for Puddles, is doesn't matter, might makes right.. People in power tell their flock that that isn't true, even though, it's clearly true. puddles is kind'of'a' di(K
Fingers crossed on successful c00p though.
IF we go n\/ks though.. this is an interesting option.. hard to predict....
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Internets, say puddles is poops himself according to "This" shareholders report he's giving to the o1igar(hs.
Thoughts ? is he softer than we know.
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Holy crap!
He has gotten almost as unhinged as Drumpf.
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Internet is really confused about R|'s capabilities saying things like they've got a trash military.
The only reason there's any _semblance_ of resistance at all, is because R| doesn't WANT to just kill everyone.
R|'s being a di(k, but This has mainly been a gentleman's duel at this point.
If they were played for keeps, it'd be over in an instant.
It's dangerous to prod R| for too long/ escalating.
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Buzz about siege tactics now. sigh...
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Black people/students living in Ukraine being denied at border crossings into Poland.
Denied bus rides and train < including some Arabs/Syrians, People of color>??
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-refugees-racism-russia-invasion-b2024175.html
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Not gonna lie.. Rubles... Thoguths ??
Ne1 ?
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This guy on twitter says Russia will lose..
But it's hard to tell. Agreed about the missed-expectation, but that's a weeks issue, if this went for months, they can still mobilize.
Something about military mythos. IDK.... maybe if you take very pulled back view of coming and goings of dynasties, but belief is temporary, predicated on a supply of grain and fuel.
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Rubles
The UK will require that foreign property owners to be identified and not be hidden behind shell companies. That is huge, and the US should do much more of the same.
High-end real estate is a preferred method of money laundering. Plus, it gives the bad guys a place to live when the Russian peasants come after them with pitchforks and torches.
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Zelensky has got some serious balls on him.
In contrast, a story of Drumpf's bravery, in his own words:
“I was at Mar-a-Lago and we had this incredible ball, the Red Cross Ball, in Palm Beach, Florida. And we had the Marines. And the Marines were there, and it was terrible because all these rich people, they’re there to support the Marines, but they’re really there to get their picture in the Palm Beach Post .... so you have all these really rich people, and a man, about 80 years old—very wealthy man, a lot of people didn’t like him—he fell off the stage.”
“So what happens is, this guy falls off right on his face, hits his head, and I thought he died. And you know what I did? I said, ‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away. I couldn’t, you know, he was right in front of me and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him .... he’s bleeding all over the place, I felt terrible. You know, beautiful marble floor, didn’t look like it. It changed color. Became very red. And you have this poor guy, 80 years old, laying on the floor unconscious, and all the rich people are turning away. ‘Oh my God! This is terrible! This is disgusting!’ and you know, they’re turning away. Nobody wants to help the guy. His wife is screaming—she’s sitting right next to him, and she’s screaming.”
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The UK will require that foreign property owners to be identified and not be hidden behind shell companies. That is huge, and the US should do much more of the same.
Good. The UK used to be like a second home for several of those oligarchs.
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It's gonna be Bare Shelves if roobz inflation keeps up.
This is either going to galvanize their economy to self-produce, OR, c00p..
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Remember in 2019 when president Drumpf had withheld $400 million in military aid to Ukraine as retaliation after Zelensky had been steadfast in refusing to help find dirt on Joe Biden and his son Hunter?
Neither did I, because it got drowned in all the other manure. But apparently Drumpf was impeached for it, but got off because the procedure was a political vote and not a court case.
Last week, Drumpf praised Putin for the invasion of Ukraine, calling it "smart". When the world started condemning the invasion, Drumpf turned on a dime and started to spin it as being Biden's fault. When asked what he himself would have done differently, he did of course not have an answer.
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Remember
Neither did I
Huh? Drumpf's impeachment over his "perfect" phone call to Zelenskyy was huge news for a year.
House of Representatives impeached him but McConnell-controlled Senate failed to convict - which would have removed him from office.
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Huh? Drumpf's impeachment over his "perfect" phone call to Zelenskyy was huge news for a year.
It is good that you don't forget. We who don't live in the US were not subjected to it as much ... and there are only so many terrible things from one person, one thing after another that you can take in before you get jaded.
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Pravda Brewery, based in Lviv, Ukraine, has suspended its beer brewing operations and is now making Molotov cocktails for residents to use against invading Russian forces.
The labels on the bottles say “Putin is a ****head.”
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On TV just now, I watched a Russian woman living in Sweden who was volunteering at a church gathering supplies, such as clothes, water bottles and blankets to be shipped to civilians in the Ukraine.
She told the reporter that she — because she is doing this humanitarian work — would get 20 years in prison if she returned to Russia. What the flying F...
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Tyrants never brook dissent.
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On TV just now, I watched a Russian woman living in Sweden who was volunteering at a church gathering supplies, such as clothes, water bottles and blankets to be shipped to civilians in the Ukraine.
She told the reporter that she — because she is doing this humanitarian work — would get 20 years in prison if she returned to Russia. What the flying F...
This is true, any help from a Russian citizen (even just a consultation) to Ukrainian people can be considered as treason which get you from 14 to 20 years of prison…
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Just to be clear, i'd say 1/3 or 1/4 of all families in Russia have at least some relatives in Ukraine. Putin's propaganda tried to turn Russians against Ukrainians for many years, but the approval rating of the war is still around 8% (according to some study conducted by independent organisation, sorry can't remember which one exactly).
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Still, even though I protested this regime many times throughout the years and never worked for any government institution, I still consider myself guilty for what is happening right now. This war is an absolute madness.
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Still, even though I protested this regime many times throughout the years and never worked for any government institution, I still consider myself guilty for what is happening right now. This war is an absolute madness.
Who's the runner up for successful c00p to put puddles down ?
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Still, even though I protested this regime many times throughout the years and never worked for any government institution, I still consider myself guilty for what is happening right now. This war is an absolute madness.
Who's the runner up for successful c00p to put puddles down ?
I'm afraid, no one, he specifically gathered the most spineless people around himself
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I'm afraid, no one, he specifically gathered the most spineless people around himself
(https://i.imgur.com/haw8P23.gif)
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R| can't win this without ignoring collateral damage.
It'd be kinda hard to sell it if they do... soooo... hrrrmmm..... Big misstep. If he committed more right away, this would've wrapped up and it'd be done.
Now it's too late... and he looks foolish....
Asssssuming his secret police is intact, he can stab his way out of some of it.... buhhhh, may only be a matter of time.
He could pull a Houdini, retire somewhere, and puppet R| from behind the scenes.
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Sometimes I think it'd be great not to allow children access to the Internet.
I was half serious. This is a guy who has been obsessed with showing a public image of virility and violence: of being strong and a man's man.
He is acting as if he's seeing the Ukraine's resistance as a slight against himself. He has been the top dog for far too long, and probably away from others these past years, seemingly with nobody to curb this behaviour.
That's the only way I can make sense of this. The invasion is not rational. This is not about Russia or the Ukraine. The invasion is about Putin. The threats after international reactions to the invasion only enforce the image of Putin being someone ruled by his emotions.
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R| can't win this without ignoring collateral damage.
It'd be kinda hard to sell it if they do... soooo... hrrrmmm..... Big misstep. If he committed more right away, this would've wrapped up and it'd be done.
Now it's too late... and he looks foolish....
Asssssuming his secret police is intact, he can stab his way out of some of it.... buhhhh, may only be a matter of time.
He could pull a Houdini, retire somewhere, and puppet R| from behind the scenes.
The problem is, most Russian people don’t even know the war is happening.
Propaganda sells it like it’s a quiet operation against fascists groups without any resistance or casualties. I kid you not, our military says zero Russian has died or captured yet.
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Thing is NATO countries won't do anything till Russia attacks actual one of those countries.They only send weapons/ammo. If it happens, it will start proper WW3.
Look at those Russian soldiers, they are young guys pulled out from everywhere in Russia to put on the uniforms and fight for something they do not understand or want.
Wars were always like that, young people dying for nothing, only cause some *******s on top wants something.
Czarnobyl dust is already going up, nice :(
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I think one could make the case that Poroshenko's pro-Russianism was ultimately just as dangerous to Ukraine's survival as them trying to join NATO would have been.
Poroshenko was the opposite of pro-Russian. His unabashed nationalism and failure to address the demands of breakaway regions in the East might have been the reason why he lost the presidential election to Zelenskiy in 2019.
Is there a reason for him NOT to, though?
Yes? Like, avoiding all the crap that is happening with Russia right now?
Are there material benefits, strategic ones (they already had a black sea base in the region), political ones
There is one material benefit. After Crimea was annexed in 2014, Ukraine built a dam on the North Crimean Canal to block fresh water for the republic. However, on 27/02, Russian military destroyed the dam and it's estimated that by 10/03 the supply of fresh water to Crimea will fully resume.
The expected political benefit of the puppet government is not to let Ukraine into NATO.
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But he consistently used NATO as his boogeyman until it became "Ukraine was actually always a part of Russia."
Sure. For him in 2000, the Cold War was over. The purpose of NATO shifted from countering the USSR to maintaining peace in the world. So it made perfect sense for Russia to join NATO.
Whereas Albright made it clear for him that the Cold War is not over for the USA.
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I think one could make the case that Poroshenko's pro-Russianism was ultimately just as dangerous to Ukraine's survival as them trying to join NATO would have been.
Poroshenko was the opposite of pro-Russian. His unabashed nationalism and failure to address the demands of breakaway regions in the East might have been the reason why he lost the presidential election to Zelenskiy in 2019.
Hmm, perhaps I misunderstood then, but it was my understanding that it was during his term that the pro-Russian groups in Ukraine started to proliferate so much and that he either didn't do anything about it or even backed it to the point where he's now facing charges of treason.
Is there a reason for him NOT to, though?
Yes? Like, avoiding all the crap that is happening with Russia right now?
Is this really impacting Putin himself though? This is also not clear to me at the moment.
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Is this really impacting Putin himself though? This is also not clear to me at the moment.
The same here.
The pieces don't add up, they say that Putin himself is very popular (why?) and that the war is very unpopular (and as the sanctions continue to kick in that can only get worse).
Where is the disconnect between the person and his actions?
In the US ignorant people enjoy blaming "da gub'ment" as if there were a monolithic structure comprising local, state, and federal governmental entities acting in concert - which is not at all how our society actually functions (or, more accurately, fails to function).
In Russia, it seems that Putin IS "the government" ....
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What they can do, is kill a body double. or use deep fake.
Then say, oh sorry, he's gone.. Then puddles gets cosmetic surgery, blends into the background, but remains supreme commander ?
Impractical ? But doable ASSSUMING the secret police has enough clot.
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Hmm, perhaps I misunderstood then, but it was my understanding that it was during his term that the pro-Russian groups in Ukraine started to proliferate so much and that he either didn't do anything about it or even backed it to the point where he's now facing charges of treason.
Ah. Poroshenko allegedly ordered a shipment of coal from the separatist regions, for quite a chunky sum of money. That's what he's facing the treason charges for.
Is this really impacting Putin himself though?
Not at the moment, no.
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What is the probability that they'll poke Puddles in teh butt like Qadd4fi if the c00p succeeds ?
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What is the probability that they'll poke Puddles in teh butt like Qadd4fi if the c00p succeeds ?
wat
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What is the probability that they'll poke Puddles in teh butt like Qadd4fi if the c00p succeeds ?
wat
He says what is the probability that they anal rape Putin like Gaddafi if the coup succeeds?
(I'm official tp's translator :D )
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(I'm official tp's translator :D )
/gasp.... Language finix, bayonets and teh_butt
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I'm official tp's translator
Thank you. Ergodox spews out incoherent gibberish.
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But here is a long article by a true expert that lays it all out:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340)
Worth taking 15 minutes to read.
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that mushr00m cloud video.. (non-n00k)
/pretty intense.
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.suspicious netwurk activity detected... could be R| hax ?
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Always hurd it on tv as Kee- ehhh- vv. But it's actually just Keev.
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But it's actually just Keev.
I think that it's more like KEE-yiv.
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Key, Eave ? (roof edge hang tiles)
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If Pudz win, B1den will lose 2024. Drumph will come back.
That's the danger relative to "muricans".
There's an uncomfortably high probability this may happen. The harder the community presses the more compressed the time_frame.
N4to has Expanded several times, which is "technically" a departure from the general agreement at the time of the sov1et collapse.
They've also setup missile systems at R|'s door steps. <Grand scheme> it makes little difference where these are setup, but I suppose they took it a bit more personally. For example if R| went and setup missiles in Cuba / Brazil.
So....... From their perspective, this is justifiable.
TBH, there's no such thing as absolute justice in this world. It's game of thrones. Means to an end sort of gig.
The discussion with respect to "The PEOPLE" as subjects to their "Rulers" , OUR gambit as citizens is who runs the most efficient Boat, <Despite, both sides being roughly equivalent oppressors>
It's generally agreed that _ The West _ , runs a better show, with more dispersed/ efficient representation.
This fact is not static however, Different circumstances/ Challenges facing humanity are Not necessarily bettered served by Western Leadership Style.
Fighting is the proving ground, where Death is the currency. Buckle up, Enjoy electricity and veggie burgers while you can.
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Key, Eave ?
No
Key, iv - long E, short i
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Is this sanction working ? the world is still buying R| Oil,
So it's like, sure, support U| on the surface, keep buyn' the stuff that keps the R| machines running ?
Somewhat disingenuous
The sanctions problem is another fold due to massive Covid money printing --> inflation.
If we DID manage to get everyone together to stop buying R| Croods, Guess what happens to 3080 Prices, Are we prepared for $3000-4000 3080s ?
Saud1 Arab1 can not just pick up 5 - 8 million barrels. Even if we tried, it'd take months or years for a ramp up.
How long can U| hold... and SHOULD they ? It's only been a week, and they've got kiddos making molotovs, that makes for good videos on social media, but it's not a sustainable combat strategy.
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It has worked in the way that some Russian oligarchs are not very happy with Putin. Too early to say how unhappy.
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It has worked in the way that some Russian oligarchs are not very happy with Putin. Too early to say how unhappy.
R| is a petro-state. which means in totality they have far fewer Ol1gar(hs than say "the United States".
The trouble here is, it means the |<GB has a significantly easier job with less opposition, and/or their power is truly absolute in that locale.
Ol1gar(hs are reliably greedy, but they're not reliably brave. They also understand that Money isn't real.
Oil is real, Blood is real.
This is why Pudz| is so tight with the repooplican't party funded mainly by oil-interests. They're the same gang. They both have the same to lose with _Alternative_ energy, progressive gov...
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Always hurd it on tv as Kee- ehhh- vv. But it's actually just Keev.
My understanding is:
Key ehv is the Russian pronunciation
Keev is the Ukrainian pronunciation.
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But here is a long article by a true expert that lays it all out:
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340 (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340)
Worth taking 15 minutes to read.
Thanks for sharing this! was a great read, and a lot of digestible information. Thank goodness for these people. What would we do without liberal arts. Respect for the people devoting their lives to such study
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Sunnuva... Enerhodar nv(lear p0wr plan7 being shelled.
A reactor has caught on fire. <it was powered down> but that' doesn't mean it wasn't fueled.
Mother,, fjffffiwehafwehwegiahweghio.. THIS IS insanity... are you fffiowfjiowefioawefgio;awerg
Order Iodine tablets NOW...... If this place goes Me17down, the wind and weathering will carry potentially very high rad1a710n across the ENTIRE northern hemisphere for MONTHS, if not YEARS.
This is (hernoby1 x 10.. type of incident.
When Pewp hits the fan, YOU WILL BE TOLD EVERYTHING IS OK..... That is the standard public face of the industry. IT WILL NOT BE OK....
EVERY n\/k incident ever, they've LIED to everyone, including leadership of the highest level. They lied to G0rbache\/ about (hernoby1 disaster, arguably m0ar powerfu1 than Pu7in is now...
They lied to Na0to Kan, prime minister of Jpn during/about Fuku5h1ma disaster.
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What is critical to understand is that We do not have the technology to clean up the r4d1a(tivity at this scale.
Just as Neither (hernoby1/ Fuku5h1ma is over, Jpn has spent anywhere between 200-600 BILLION dollars already dealing with it. Projected cost is looking to be ~2 $Trillion.
What is the size of the R| economy + U| economy together, Trust me, it won't cover it.
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Fire was at a training facility. Still not good news that they are bombing anywhere near that place
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Fire was at a training facility. Still not good news that they are bombing anywhere near that place
WE will be told, all sorts of _It's OK_ propaganda.
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True, it will take time for the full story to come out, but you can also see on Twitter that some people believe it was Ukraine forces firing RPGs and Russian troops weren't involved. All kinds of propaganda for sure.
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"The director of the plant said that the nuclear safety is now guaranteed": Oleksandr Starukh
3.6 roentgen - not great, not terrible. :p
But neither I nor TP can't do anything about it. So just sleep and enjoy your life while you can.
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"The director of the plant said that the nuclear safety is now guaranteed": Oleksandr Starukh
3.6 roentgen - not great, not terrible. :p
But neither I nor TP can't do anything about it. So just sleep and enjoy your life while you can.
(https://i.imgur.com/GjNW6Sk.jpg)
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True, it will take time for the full story to come out, but you can also see on Twitter that some people believe it was Ukraine forces firing RPGs and Russian troops weren't involved. All kinds of propaganda for sure.
It doesn't matter who fired it, This represents an existential threat to all of humanity..
Right now, the weather systems for the next couple of days look like winds are blowing between WNW, NNE.
Potential fall out movement direction..
Slovakia, Moldova, Romania, Poland Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, <Potentially also Moscow>
Keep in mind, weather systems SWIRL and Swish. No one can predict exactly where fallout material lands.
After (hernoby1, the Sov1e7 Un, sent planes to CHASE the fallout, and SEED CLOUDS so that it would rain down and NOT reach Mosc0\/\/.. The people suffered, Ukr| suffered.
In the event, that it goes tit5-up.... LEAVE Ukr| Immediately by ANY MEANS. Forget about the revolu7ion, it's over, The vast majority of the economy/ population base will essentially become conscripted Liquidators (rad1oactiv1ty cleaners)
You already know what happened in (hernoby1. They're putting you in this position, AGAIN....
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Tp4 is stressed @ maximum..... (https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/106.gif?w=560)
Activating Green Tea + Oreos ...
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Find a way to the alternative universe where Clinton won in 2016.
Or, even better, the one where Gore won in 2000.
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Find a way to the alternative universe where Clinton won in 2016.
Or, even better, the one where Gore won in 2000.
Hahahahahaha... fohat, gore only became a gud'guy AFTER he lost.
The president makes deals, he has to deal with all the constituents, All the constituents have something in common, Screw the normal folk, me first, what about MY needs. They don't care what the plebs want.
The president does not work for the people. the president is head 0ligar(h.
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Gore .... a good guy
Check the copyright date.
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/104286.Earth_in_the_Balance (https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/104286.Earth_in_the_Balance)
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WTF ?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60600487?fbclid=IwAR31kOIwDfuMnZgMkYuc8qQLRCdcwPQMhgthGMpGXSQEy9y18u-rw8TwWaA (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60600487?fbclid=IwAR31kOIwDfuMnZgMkYuc8qQLRCdcwPQMhgthGMpGXSQEy9y18u-rw8TwWaA)
https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/03/04/russia-media-ukraine-war-troops-humanitarian-aid-robertson-dnt-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/russia-ukraine-military-conflict/ (https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/03/04/russia-media-ukraine-war-troops-humanitarian-aid-robertson-dnt-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/russia-ukraine-military-conflict/)
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So,,,, now we know who taught the K1ms.
But keep in mind, this is standard military procedure, they always change the numbers to favor the home_grown propagandized narrative.
For example, 90% of 'merican drone strike casualties weren't even the target, they were mainly civilians. But we don't hear about that, we only hear about how amazing the technology is, and we're dealing Justice in the middle east.
The US is no less of a death dealer than R|.. I'm still on Team USA, because I live here, that's enough of a reason for me. But GRAND SCOPE, no one is innocent. Ol1gar(hs using civilians to kill the civilians of The_Other_ Ol1gar(hs is nothing new. It's not about freedom/justice, it's about who Controls and who Profits.
In Iraq, we were just fighting the Saudi's and Israel's war for them, The majority of the _enemy_ we killed were innocent civilians, This is a fact of every war, but we do it anyway because death dealing sets the world order.
With order, we have society. Price is blood.
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WTF ?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60600487?fbclid=IwAR31kOIwDfuMnZgMkYuc8qQLRCdcwPQMhgthGMpGXSQEy9y18u-rw8TwWaA (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60600487?fbclid=IwAR31kOIwDfuMnZgMkYuc8qQLRCdcwPQMhgthGMpGXSQEy9y18u-rw8TwWaA)
https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/03/04/russia-media-ukraine-war-troops-humanitarian-aid-robertson-dnt-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/russia-ukraine-military-conflict/ (https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/03/04/russia-media-ukraine-war-troops-humanitarian-aid-robertson-dnt-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/russia-ukraine-military-conflict/)
Between believing your own child and the government it's impressively scary that anyone would chose the professional liars. Do they have a China-esque great firewall too, or maybe most Russians don't speak a second language?
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Do they have a great firewall too, or maybe most Russians don't speak a second language?
The Iron-Curtain never came down...
but, More Ru55ians speak english than 'Muricans that can speak ru55ian.
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The Iron-Curtain never came down...
but, More Ru55ians speak english than 'Muricans that can speak ru55ian.
All I know is there are plenty active in the world of open source software so I assumed they had real internet, but maybe they just moved away.
And that's not at all surprising, English speakers are lucky and can be lazy. I'm one of them :(
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The Iron-Curtain never came down...
but, More Ru55ians speak english than 'Muricans that can speak ru55ian.
All I know is there are plenty active in the world of open source software so I assumed they had real internet, but maybe they just moved away.
And that's not at all surprising, English speakers are lucky and can be lazy. I'm one of them :(
This is the Social_Caste system.
Soldiers and Miners don't need to think too hard, in fact, that would make them less effective soldiers and miners.
BUT The ()l1gar(hes and their subsidiary think tanks must be on par with everyone else in the world. The programmers you've met, their middle class.
R| is what it is because it's a petro_state and their social_distribution requires mainly slaves. That is the bulk of their citizenry.
It's not a reflection of some fundamental difference in ideology/ humanity, it's just the result of the RNG of their playtile resources.
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The Iron-Curtain never came down...
but, More Ru55ians speak english than 'Muricans that can speak ru55ian.
All I know is there are plenty active in the world of open source software so I assumed they had real internet, but maybe they just moved away.
Moved away to where? Richard Hendricks' New Internet?
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The Iron-Curtain never came down...
but, More Ru55ians speak english than 'Muricans that can speak ru55ian.
All I know is there are plenty active in the world of open source software so I assumed they had real internet, but maybe they just moved away.
Moved away to where? Richard Hendricks' New Internet?
Why Not David Attenborough's DSL, signup comes with your choice of a free lizard or tortoise.
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Headline_____business insider
Kremlin staff didn't expect Putin to invade Ukraine and were shocked by the severity of Western sanctions, report says
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We need MORE articles and grassroots work on this trajectory,
GIVE Pu7in's Constituents an OUT, they kill Pu7n for us, everything de-escalates.
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To clear up some _Confusion_ around the Nv(clear power p1ant5.
It will Not xplodz with a "mushroom" cloud,
It can go boom in a big way, with a large detonation or implosion shockwave, but that's from buildup of heat/ pressure in its containment vessel, NOT like a warhead.
It's also important to remember, Being hit by A Warhead, is a far BETTER_situation than a blown Nooke Station.
Warheads do not xplodz @ ground lvl, alot of the Radz go up and away. When a Nvk station goes kablowch, everything is @ ground lvl and the radz are close by and it gets Everywhere.
The NET radioact1vi7y released by b0mbs are also MUCH LOWER. There is only ~5-100lbs of material in warh34ds.
Power stations have Thousands/ Hundreds of Thousands of Pounds of material on site. If a reactor goes b00m, conservatively, the event will release 100-1000x more radioa(tivi7y to the surrounding environment vs a Warhe4d.
This is why Fundamentally, EVERY n00k power station represents an Existential threat to the Locale/Country/People that HOST them.
Post chern0by1, U|<ra1ne had roughly 2000% increase in childhood thyr0id cancer, Belarus, 20,000%.
Post fvkush1ma, Jpn, is now facing ~3000% increase in childhood thyr0id cancer. Jpn has removed the majority of journalistic freedoms to cover up the effect. <standard procedure for nv(lear countries>
For every cancer case, there is about another 200x patient with non-cancerous physiological disruption, be it hypothyroidism, heart muscle malformation, birth defects, etc etc..
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LAST NIGHT, Had that station been blown, U|<ra1ne would've ceased to exist in its entirety. There would've been no way back. The equivalent of 10 (hern0by1s in such a central location, Again, also NEAR WATER, all n00k plants need WATER... Pride, belief, nationalism, democracy, facism, would lose all meaning.
It would just be a Rad1oac7ive hole in the ground where no one can visit.
(hern0by1 is alot of LUCK. in that it is CONTAINED.
Fvkush1ma is NOT contained. The melted core is still in direct contact with ground water, leaking into the ocean. ~300tons / day.
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Some confusing messaging
U.S. Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm says the reactors at Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia nuclear power station are protected by robust containment structures.
NO n00k plant is ever designed to TAKE WEAPONS FIRE. That is not a design criteria, robust or not.
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Between believing your own child and the government it's impressively scary that anyone would chose the professional liars.
My own daughter will be 25 in a few months, and I can tell you for certain that is she sent me videos of her own town being bombed that I would believe her !
Do they have a China-esque great firewall too
Apparently it is different, but they are heading in that direction.
Even though it is a couple of years old, things can only have gotten worse since this article was written:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/12/24/russia-year-doubling-down-internet-censorship (https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/12/24/russia-year-doubling-down-internet-censorship)
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Moved away to where? Richard Hendricks' New Internet?
If I'm not mistaken you moved to England so there's one option...
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Moved away to where? Richard Hendricks' New Internet?
If I'm not mistaken you moved to England so there's one option...
Which is?
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Forest Fire approaching South Korean Nvk power plant...
Wow... what are the odds....
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Are the Ukra peeps in the tractor farmer videos allowed to keep tanks after war ?
Super jelly, free $1,000,000 tanks.
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Are the Ukra peeps in the tractor farmer videos allowed to keep tanks after war ?
Super jelly, free $1,000,000 tanks.
The Gov. has stated they can keep and sell, without taxation, any Russian equipment they capture.
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Are the Ukra peeps in the tractor farmer videos allowed to keep tanks after war ?
Super jelly, free $1,000,000 tanks.
The Gov. has stated they can keep and sell, without taxation, any Russian equipment they capture.
Those APCs and STA vehicles, OMG...... These tractor guys are gonna be Rich...
(https://i.imgur.com/10theJm.gif)
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Here in Sweden, people are buying Ukrainian flags to hoist in solidarity. I spotted a few when I was out today.
Europe is getting a lot of Ukrainian refugees now. But people are getting upset that refugees from other wars, who happen to have darker skin are not given the same warm welcome ...
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Here in Sweden, people are buying Ukrainian flags to hoist in solidarity. I spotted a few when I was out today.
Europe is getting a lot of Ukrainian refugees now. But people are getting upset that refugees from other wars, who happen to have darker skin are not given the same warm welcome ...
So they're all a little bit nazi, standard white people operating procedure. haahha
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refugees from other
The fact is that this is just a mild practice session.
A quarter of the Earth's population will be refugees in the next very few decades, and every country will have less space and resources for them to seek refuge in and with.
In the US, the Gulf and East coasts will have large hunks gone, but hey, half of Florida may still be there, Orlando is almost 80 feet/25 meters above sea level.
https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/sea-level-rise-2/ (https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/sea-level-rise-2/)
TL;DR - the collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet could rapidly increase sea levels by around three metres
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So... Shell (corp) buying R| oil at massive discount..
Explain how this sanction thing is going to work, when they just lie about <Russ1a bad.
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video of R| Ikea shoppers fighting over "Pans " ??
Are ikea pans that good ?
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chk out this < allegedly confirmed > translated letter by an R| analytics department member (FSB).
If true, could be near the end.
https://pastebin.com/2agMRGmd
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Pudz has 2 options at this point.
Fake Suicide. ... or Obliterate U|
The R| Gov/ people Apart from Pudz, can choose, Coop/Assass1na7ion or Obliterate U|
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How come most of these front line videos just looks like they're camping ?
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My own daughter will be 25 in a few months, and I can tell you for certain that is she sent me videos of her own town being bombed that I would believe her !
Then consider that if you were to admit via a recorded medium that it was a war you could face 15 years prison. Imagine being unwittingly part of a article since your daughter in a freer country decided to tell the BBC about it, with her real photo and name. Those parents dodged a bullet.
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Are they really jailing all that many people ? wouldn't they have to feed them ? food cost money ?
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Are they really jailing all that many people ? wouldn't they have to feed them ? food cost money ?
They probably expect the threat is enough to have people self-censor. Ordinarily would they be going to check such parent's phones for messages? Perhaps unlikely but they certainly know about them since the article was released.
Reminds me a bit of how I've read some will self-censor about the Tiananmen Square incident, whether they really know what happened or just want to appear as though they don't.
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The Russian Government/people Apart from Putin, can choose, Coup or Assassination
How is it that large numbers of (completely delusional) people can imagine that, in today's world, you could just "blow it all up and start over" building an entire nation? Immediately there would be a power/money grab in the vacuum where "the oligarchs" would strive to enhance their already mammoth share of power and money. "The Military" could provide some semblance of order temporarily (if the leadership chain remained intact), but a modern society in a large nation does not "just happen" without a defensible comprehensive system of rules and regulations - along with "buy-in" from a large majority of the citizenry!
You need look no farther than the post-Soviet disintegration to see what can happen. Gorbachev might (possibly) have had the knowledge, vision, and will to ride out the hurricane through a spectacularly turbulent transition if he had remained in authority, but idiot alcoholic Yeltsin just let it swirl down the toilet until KGB Colonel Putin made the deal with him to establish a new order.
The US was able to get its start and mature naturally (although not without many mistakes and glitches along the way) because it was an agrarian pre-Industrial society separated from the developed world by a difficult-to-cross ocean. Those conditions are impossible in a world with rapid communication and transportation. You need look no further than Afghanistan and Iraq to see what power vacuums look like today.
And it is equally easy to understand why Putin would like nothing more than to see the US descend into chaos and dysfunction, and he understands perfectly well that promoting right-wing domestic terrorism is the most efficient way to accomplish that.
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The current situation looks positive, but it's NOT in the Bag yet.
The world will still want the OIL even if U| disappears.
They just can't brand it Pudz'Oil.
That's the scary part. Diamonds/emeralds/rubies, these things are ACTUALLY worthless. You can choose not to buy them on Ideological grounds, Debe3r's slavery in Africa.
Oil is Different. We continue to buy Saud1 Oil, despite their direct and overt enslavement of import laborers from india.
Rv| Still has an out. Even if they manage to Nt-Cor3a themselves. People WILL BUY the Oil.
Just as Shell (corporation) just bought Rvs oil at a massive discount. allegedly @ $28 per barrel.
The Danger to U| is R| leveling them in an instant,
Then rebrand the oil, Same Oil, Better prices.
That is NOT a SANE option to normal people like us, they ARE SANE OPTIONS to Di(tat0rs.
To be clear, Tp4 hopes the c000|o happens and soonish..
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The current US Administration as well as much of the western world has put itself in a desperate position with their reckless energy policies. Slowing oil and NG production before the world has been weaned off of it was a recipe for disaster. Why was importing energy from hostile countries somehow cleaner than from our own?
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The current US Administration as well as much of the western world has put itself in a desperate position with their reckless energy policies. Slowing oil and NG production before the world has been weaned off of it was a recipe for disaster. Why was importing energy from hostile countries somehow cleaner than from our own?
It's impossible to say _at what rate_ the ween Should occur at.
At this point in our extinction, very generally, as quickly as possible is <probably> the right move.
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The world US will still want the OIL even if U| disappears.
Phix'd that for you (http://forum.falloutstudios.org/public/style_emoticons/default/I8.GIF) .
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The current US Administration as well as much of the western world has put itself in a desperate position with their reckless energy policies. Slowing oil and NG production before the world has been weaned off of it was a recipe for disaster. Why was importing energy from hostile countries somehow cleaner than from our own?
It's impossible to say _at what rate_ the ween Should occur at.
At this point in our extinction, very generally, as quickly as possible is <probably> the right move.
It may be impossible to say at what rate, but in the near future the threat of a nuclear holocaust is both more immediate and eminent.
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a nuclear holocaust is both more immediate and eminent.
A frightful Freudian slip, I hope. Presumably you meant imminent.
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It may be impossible to say at what rate, but in the near future the threat of a nuclear holocaust is both more immediate and eminent.
Well, there's virtually no threat of N_Weapon_ use, because it's a no-win situation, they are doomsday deterrent devices only. Ta(ti(al nvks perhaps, but these are not that problematic.
We are however in GRAVE danger of Industrial N_disasters.
It does not take very much to end up with a (hernoby1 or a Fvkv5hima . USA also has all the oldest and worst rea(tors on the planet.
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a nuclear holocaust is both more immediate and eminent.
A frightful Freudian slip, I hope. Presumably you meant imminent.
No, I checked and I meant eminent.
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https://www.dictionary.com/browse/eminent
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'Eminent' sometimes means 'high', so why not.
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My dictionary (MirriamWebster) shows three takes on the word: prominent, conspicuous, and projecting. I think all apply but the idea of prominent is what I was implying.
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... hrrrrmmm..
If R|'s new terms for ending invasion are _Legit_..
Best options ? Thoguhts ?
_Terms_
Ukraine cease military action
Change its constitution to enshrine neutrality
Acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory
Recognise the separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk as independent states.
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Change its constitution to enshrine neutrality
Acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory
Recognize the separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk as independent states.
If the Constitution can be changed once, it can be changed twice.
Assuming that Crimea is a lost cause, those new "independent states" would likely be flooded with Russian carpetbaggers to ensure that they don't turn around and vote to rejoin Ukraine.
"What price Freedom?" is a question for the ages.
https://www.rawstory.com/putin-invasion-2656860958 (https://www.rawstory.com/putin-invasion-2656860958)
Mod edit: removed personal info from link
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Ok, Scenario C7
They assassinate pudz.. Use body double, pretend like he's still alive. He makes all the necessary apologies, Steps down from power, Someone murders the body double the next day very publically, they replace the double with the "real body" for Post Exam, confirmation, The world is satisfied.
Stage a fake bourgeois revolution. rig and "ELECT" an Independent that they puppet.
And we go back to buying their OIL.
Best most efficient outcome ?.
Keep in mind, we want that oil/gas, EVERYONE still wants that oil.
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Hilarious comment from reddi
"Ba-da-ba-ba-blyat" in response to mcd leaving R|
(https://i.imgur.com/1uEw5z3.gif)
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Is it just me or does it feel like the Russian invasion so far is basically like playing C&C Red Alert as the Soviets except you get stuck on the tutorial mission?
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Is it just me or does it feel like the Russian invasion so far is basically like playing C&C Red Alert as the Soviets except you get stuck on the tutorial mission?
You can't win a war where you're really Not allowed to just Kill_Everyone. His original plan was to achieve a quick surrender condition, but now_going_long He's basically starving them into it, no one wants to live war_torn for extended time.
And in response, the _West_ is trying to Starve out Pudz. Although, on paper, this would work, in practice, They got their own everything, if they HAD to do everything on their own, they could. All the necessary technology already exist, and their infrastructure is there to crank things out through command economy.
The situation may well force R| to become a Big factory_state, instead of "Just" a Petrol_state
I think over the long run R| can still win the territory, but I don't quite see the purpose of just gaining land.
At the end of the day this entire thing merely feeds an Abstract idea of (Honor, Strength, Sovereignty).
Historically, the ordeal may be remembered as an interestingly stupid social experiment.
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those new "independent states" would likely be flooded with Russian carpetbaggers to ensure that they don't turn around and vote to rejoin Ukraine
To vote to rejoin Ukraine, they need to be filled to the brim with Ukrainian carpetbaggers.
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"Carpetbagger" is a US term. My family has lived in the South for many generations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbagger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbagger)
note what the term "Republican" used to mean
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It's a British term as well. Doesn't matter.
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The higher gas prices, all but guarantees the greater prevalence of work from home, so.. very min0r silver lining come climate change.
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**** getting serious now.
Congress is revoking Russia's "Most Favored Nation" status.
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Friendship ended with Russia. Venezuela is my best friend.
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It would seem, that R| 's current news cycle is designing an out where, "internal opponents (themselves R|)" are angry at R|'s involvement in U|, as it's costing R| too much resources to Denazify U|, THEREFORE, they should <Squeeze> Na7o Neutrality out of U|, but leave them to handle their own Denazification.
<headscratch> I guesss so... It doesn't sound very believable, but Millions of 'muricans entertained the idea of drinking bleach.. sooooooo.. The R| plebs may not be so different come their own homebrand_brainwashing.
Of course, this is _Far less worrying_ than the News cycle on R|'s proposed false flag operation to Attack (hernoby1 power plan7,
If there is conflagration, what will happen is massive r4dioa(tive plume AND DUST. U| B| even R| will all be affected. significant increase in cancers and birthdefects.
This is one of the invisible dangers of Forest Fires/ Climate change.
"Murica" did alot of boom tests on its own soil in the nevada area. The Dust settles on the ground, blown but wind. OVER TIME, it spreads. If it gets into a wooded area, SOME of it is sequestered in the soil and PLANTS (Trees).
IF you then Light those trees on fire.. Pooof, it's a major rad1ologi(al event leading to long tracking epidemiological rise in cancers.
So all the billionaires living in mansions near these forest fires, You can sleep well knowing these fat_uks are getting a heafty radi471on dose that DOES NOT WASH OFF.
When the dust gets in your lungs, it's in there forever.
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Earlier this week, I read that more than 124000 Russians had been arrested for protesting again the war. Yet it appears that most Russians have only received official propaganda and are oblivious to what is really happening. I fear what will happen when the curtain really falls from their eyes.
Russians are leaving the country as persecution of political opponents increase. Finland (who shares a border with Russia and has train service from St Petersburg) is receiving a few hundred asylum-seekers every day.
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Earlier this week, I read that more than 124000 Russians had been arrested for protesting again the war. Yet it appears that most Russians have only received official propaganda and are oblivious to what is really happening. I fear what will happen when the curtain really falls from their eyes.
Russians are leaving the country as persecution of political opponents increase. Finland (who shares a border with Russia and has train service from St Petersburg) is receiving a few hundred asylum-seekers every day.
That's impossible 124,000 ? They have facilities and manpower to remove that many people from the economy, and feed them for free ? and all the resources for police to guard them ?
WHILE invading U|<r ?
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neon shortage, sooooo... 3080 ti , in 2025 ?
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In Finland and Sweden, popular support for joining Nato has increased, obviously.
Today, Russia has repeated their verbal threats against Finland and Sweden, now saying that if we do, there would be "retribution".
That's impossible 124,000 ? They have facilities and manpower to remove that many people from the economy, and feed them for free ? and all the resources for police to guard them ?
I think most of those have been released, but have been added to a list of people that will be subject to repeated harassment from the authorities.
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snow melt rumbling on roof.
makes Tp4 nervous with all this WW3 tension.
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Why Pudz look so bloated ?
They fotoshopn' him ?
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Why Pudz look so bloated ?
They fotoshopn' him ?
He's getting old?
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He's getting old?
SHUT UP !
He's almost 4 months younger than me.
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He's getting old?
SHUT UP !
He's almost 4 months younger than me.
Yeah man, age is horrible. I'm balder than he is, and 34 xD .
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Hoping that this proves true ....
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Pudz , allegedly fires and shuffle ~1000 staff , fearing a55a5ina7ion.
So.... couple tings.
This could be the PART of the c00p that does him in. As in his opposition has snuck this decision on him, / inception.
Alternatively:
It could also be tightening of service members akin to the Nk0rea system of segregating population into loyalist categories. , disloyal, loyal, fiercely loyal, Koolaid = #1
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Seriously, why is he so puffy, look at his neck
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Steroids do that. They can work miracles for curing certain problems, but it comes with a price.
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I read on the front page of a newspaper it's because he's on steroids while dying of bowel cancer. Unsure if putting it in actual print makes it more or less true than whatever you can read online...
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Q: Hey, Internet, what do you think about nazis?
A: We must buy their swag.
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The light flickered today.
Tp4 though, oh hell, here we go, here come the nvks...
Only 20 days ago, Tp4 would've cursed PSE&G for their outrageous prices and crap voltage stability.
(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/106.gif?w=560)
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/20/europe/russia-ukraine-junkyard-weapons-intl-hnk/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/20/europe/russia-ukraine-junkyard-weapons-intl-hnk/index.html)
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/20/europe/russia-ukraine-junkyard-weapons-intl-hnk/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/20/europe/russia-ukraine-junkyard-weapons-intl-hnk/index.html)
With the amount of captured, re-captured, and identical models that both sides use I can imagine friendly fire can be quite a problem. The Russians are apparently already known for this to begin with.
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Fratricide is widely cited to account for between 2% to 20% of Blue (friendly
force) casualties. While the raw numbers of mistargeting casualties have gone down
dramatically, the rate, depending on what is used for the denominator (total deaths,
friendly deaths, etc.) has gone up considerably since World War II. This is due to the
relative increase in “efficiency” since World War II with which U.S. forces have been
able to kill the enemy without killing neutrals or suffering large U.S. losses. Figures
from World War II, Korea, and Vietnam, for example, indicate that the rate of fratricide
was relatively low compared to Operations Desert Storm, Enduring Freedom, and Iraqi
Freedom, even though the numbers actual fratricide casualties were much higher. The
more recent rates of fratricide are higher mostly because the total number of casualties is
relatively low. In summary, mistargeting incidents are largely subsumed in major combat
operations
While acknowledging that the "statistical dimensions of the friendly fire problem have yet to be defined; reliable data are simply not available in most cases," The Oxford Companion to American Military History estimates that between 2 percent and 2.5 percent of the casualties in America's wars are attributable to friendly fire.[8]
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https://nypost.com/2022/03/20/russian-elites-planning-to-overthrow-putin/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter (https://nypost.com/2022/03/20/russian-elites-planning-to-overthrow-putin/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter)
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For certain some are planning it.
But it's not clear if that is a positive scenario internally (for their core leadership). Because they have to recognize that " Losing Face " in the digital world which never forgets is possibly Worse than losing money.
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recognize that " Losing Face " in the digital world
Could that overshadow Russia's "Losing Face" in the real world - under Putin's absolute (and now seemingly unhinged) leadership?
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https://nypost.com/2022/03/20/russian-elites-planning-to-overthrow-putin/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter (https://nypost.com/2022/03/20/russian-elites-planning-to-overthrow-putin/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter)
I've read that a bunch of times but it seems impossible for them to secretly plot this with simultaneously everyone knowing somehow. And it seems impossible for everyone to know and yet them not ending up in a gulag or gargling polonium.
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recognize that " Losing Face " in the digital world
Could that overshadow R| "Losing Face" in the real world - under Pvt1n's absolute (and now seemingly unhinged) leadership?
ONLY, if they lose. if they WIN. Just as how USA murdered 1 million 1raqis civilians, couple million /\fghan1stan, etc, they can write their own history and face 0 consequences.
This is not an ethics debate, this is a REAL LIFE.
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secretly plot this with simultaneously everyone knowing
"Everyone knowing" might the most effective way to soften the blow and dramatically ease the turmoil that is bound to occur afterwards.
I wish that I (we) could really understand how many ordinary Russians actually like and respect Putin and his leadership.
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secretly plot this with simultaneously everyone knowing
"Everyone knowing" might the most effective way to soften the blow and dramatically ease the turmoil that is bound to occur afterwards.
I wish that I (we) could really understand how many ordinary Russians actually like and respect Putin and his leadership.
It's the vast majority.
Even an obvious bigotted idiot like Drumph pulls ~50% of voters.
Pudz is similar in every way except he's not a moron.
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Drumph pulls ~50% of voters.
similar in every way except he's not a moron.
Drumpf received approximately 46% of votes in both elections, and I challenge the idea that in a 2-party system there aren't a lot of people who vote based on party alone.
Plus, he never achieved a 50% approval rating nationwide at any point, before, during, or after election. Only the Electoral College put him in office.
Putin did achieve an accomplishment when he pulled the country out of the Yeltsin morass, but that was a long time ago.
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In Russia there are strong divisions between older and younger generations, as well. That's not an uncommon thing in countries of course, but more than most other countries, Russia/the USSR had a pretty tumultuous political history. Those who are used to (and learned to live in) the old Soviet system and Cold War have a very different idea of what whatever a leaders says, means, than kids and young adults who have been slowly watching their country slide deeper back into totalitarianism again.
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https://nypost.com/2022/03/20/russian-elites-planning-to-overthrow-putin/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter (https://nypost.com/2022/03/20/russian-elites-planning-to-overthrow-putin/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter)
“Poisoning, sudden illness, accident — Russia’s elite is considering removing Putin,” declared a Sunday Facebook post from the Chief Directorate of Intelligence for the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
LOL
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What's pretty silly is the Insulin hoarding being reported in R|.
The vast majority of Diabetus is type 2, and is actually a lifestyle disease brought on by over_consumption of fats which leads to its buildup in muscle cells (Intramyocellular lipids), leading to insulin resistance.
So, In the event that the locale "Goes Hungry/ Lean" ALL diabetus would naturally disappear from the population. There then, making all the hoarded insulin WORTHLESS.
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R| destroys (hernoby1 rad1a7ion monitoring lab.
Why.... why do this.... sigh...........
(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/33.gif?w=560)
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Going out in a blaze of glory?
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A little confused as to why the news cycle is making a big deal out of the "\/\/ar losses/ death counts"
We literally just lost 1-3 Million Americans to covid, courtesy of the Republican party. No one bat an eye.
Think Pudz cares about 10,000 soldiers?
Death is bad, but we're still in the small potatoes range.
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Think Pudz cares about 10,000 soldiers?
Body bags aren't good for recruitment.
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Think Pudz cares about 10,000 soldiers?
Body bags aren't good for recruitment.
Who needs recruitment though? The Russian Army is already 80% conscripts.
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A little confused as to why the news cycle is making a big deal out of the "\/\/ar losses/ death counts"
We literally just lost 1-3 Million Americans to covid, courtesy of the Republican party. No one bat an eye.
Think Pudz cares about 10,000 soldiers?
Death is bad, but we're still in the small potatoes range.
The U.S. switched to a body count as a means of judging a war back in Vietnam, it was a stupid metric but it hid the fact that we were losing, our media still makes a big deal about it because old lessons die hard. It's also the media, on a slow news day they will act like losing two soldiers means we're losing a war.
It can be an important metric when put in perspective, it wasn't in Vietnam, the kill/death ratio which was inflated kept a positive spin on the war, anyone saying otherwise was labeled a commie/pinko/dirty hippie (Nixon coined that last one just for this purpose). 1-3mil people is 1% of the population and it was over the course of 2+ years, meaning it would take more than a millennia to kill us off at that rate, 15k soldiers (current NATO estimate of Russian dead) is 10% of the Russian military in one month, that is not small potato range, by any means, and that is just dead, not missing or injured which is usually 3 to 5x that (Belarus hospitals are supposedly over flowing with wounded, keeping it hidden from Russian public).
While Putin/Russia doesn't care about his soldiers (does the U.S. really care either?), he does care when he loses so many in such a short time because it not only shows they're not the super power everyone thought and that he's not the tactical genius people thought but it leaves them incredibly vulnerable. Worse, it's not just the number of dead making them vulnerable, if an "inferior" force like Ukraine can take down 10% of their forces in just a month what the heck would an equal or better force do to them? It's not like they can claim it was superior weapons, some of the best weapons at Ukraine's disposal have been cell phone tracking soldiers phones on Google Maps (they showed up as traffic jams) and Grindr (seriously!) and ordinary farm tractors to steal tanks. Even if they lose, Ukraine has made them (and Putin) look completely incompetent. So yeah, he cares, just not about the troops.
To give an idea how serious those numbers really are though and what they mean,
Russia had to move troops from the east coast/south east to the Ukraine front, leaving that area exposed. While there's little risk of NATO invasion (we all knew that) how much does Putin trust China? Yes, they have a treaty, but there's never been a time where China was this capable and Russia was this weak and with the world turned against it. If China invaded now, claiming it was to help Ukraine, would the world object or would they cheer them on?
And yes, China could absolutely win that war no matter the weapons used.
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China could absolutely win that war no matter the weapons used.
I am afraid that China could absolutely win that ANY war no matter the weapons used.
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China could absolutely win that war no matter the weapons used.
I am afraid that China could absolutely win that ANY war no matter the weapons used.
Tp4 is not 100% sure of that. Their tech is just so_so, and it's unclear if their military is better trained. Their system of red_aristocracy is just as prone to capital flight, embezzelment.
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(https://i.imgur.com/agg8ssJ.jpg)
Not nearly as awful as the loss of life, but still another sad thing happening there.
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Not nearly as awful as the loss of life, but still another sad thing happening there.
(https://i.imgur.com/GjNW6Sk.jpg)
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The U.S. switched to a body count as a means of judging a war back in Vietnam, it was a stupid metric but it hid the fact that we were losing, our media still makes a big deal about it because old lessons die hard. It's also the media, on a slow news day they will act like losing two soldiers means we're losing a war.
It can be an important metric when put in perspective, it wasn't in Vietnam, the kill/death ratio which was inflated kept a positive spin on the war, anyone saying otherwise was labeled a commie/pinko/dirty hippie (Nixon coined that last one just for this purpose). 1-3mil people is 1% of the population and it was over the course of 2+ years, meaning it would take more than a millennia to kill us off at that rate, 15k soldiers (current NATO estimate of Russian dead) is 10% of the Russian military in one month, that is not small potato range, by any means, and that is just dead, not missing or injured which is usually 3 to 5x that (Belarus hospitals are supposedly over flowing with wounded, keeping it hidden from Russian public).
While Putin/Russia doesn't care about his soldiers (does the U.S. really care either?), he does care when he loses so many in such a short time because it not only shows they're not the super power everyone thought and that he's not the tactical genius people thought but it leaves them incredibly vulnerable. Worse, it's not just the number of dead making them vulnerable, if an "inferior" force like Ukraine can take down 10% of their forces in just a month what the heck would an equal or better force do to them? It's not like they can claim it was superior weapons, some of the best weapons at Ukraine's disposal have been cell phone tracking soldiers phones on Google Maps (they showed up as traffic jams) and Grindr (seriously!) and ordinary farm tractors to steal tanks. Even if they lose, Ukraine has made them (and Putin) look completely incompetent. So yeah, he cares, just not about the troops.
To give an idea how serious those numbers really are though and what they mean,
Russia had to move troops from the east coast/south east to the Ukraine front, leaving that area exposed. While there's little risk of NATO invasion (we all knew that) how much does Putin trust China? Yes, they have a treaty, but there's never been a time where China was this capable and Russia was this weak and with the world turned against it. If China invaded now, claiming it was to help Ukraine, would the world object or would they cheer them on?
And yes, China could absolutely win that war no matter the weapons used.
15k is about 1.48% of Russian military.
I haven't heard anyone but you calling Russia a superpower.
There is an old Soviet joke that the advancing Chinese will cross the border into Russia in small groups of 8-9 million people.
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I am afraid that China could absolutely win that ANY war no matter the weapons used.
In Asia, absolutely, as you fan out it becomes more and more difficult, like Russia they lack the logistics to move and supply that many people on the move.
As soon as it requires them to ferry anything across the ocean, it falls apart in a big hurry.
15k is about 1.48% of Russian military.
I haven't heard anyone but you calling Russia a superpower.
I'm not sure where I got that number (I had just woke up, front line fighters maybe?), but yeah, you're right.
Big picture though, including injured, it's still a larger chunk of their force than people realize because those are deployable front line fighting forces, for every front line fighter you tend to have 3-10 people supporting them depending on the branch. It takes a LOT to keep an military mobile and fighting. You also have deployed forces in Syria and you need some off-rotation for R&R and training as well as homeland defense. Taking out even a few percent of your deployable force is quite significant.
The US is pretty much the only super power left but Russia and China are the next closest thing, Russia also holds a lot of sway in the U.N. (usually) and general world politics.
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Russia also holds a lot of sway in the U.N. (usually) and general world politics.
It would appear that the rest of the world is intent on cutting that off completely. They're cutting Russian dependecies left and right, leaving no bridge unburned.
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You guys seen this ? Thoughts ?
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Anyone with half a brain is aware that if war goes nuclear it's the end so Kim is crazy spending billions reinventing an unusable wheel, but we already knew that.
On a more practical note A - why are they testing it at an international airport and B - why is the road surface at said airport so bad?
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There's alot of _news media_ going on about war reparations.
Reparation is how you ENSURE W\/\/3. Yea pudz did bad, hang'um, pokey pokey in the butt, no problem.
but we should NOT force R|people(nation) to pay reparations, ontop of sanctions, etc. That opens the door for ANOTHER Hi71er to easily rise the ranks.
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If pudz, can't be a55a55inated.
The second best option may be to give him the off ramp, donbass/crimea
Dragging this out would just lead to more casualties.
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Pimps/Traffickers stalking Polish rail_stations to prey on vulnerable women/children refugees.
/Gasppppp
Remember that episode in Battlestar, where "Shevon" (a pros7i7ute) says to Lee Adama: "when your baby’s crying because it’s hungry, you’ll do anything to make it stop."
This speaks to the greatness of mothers and the cruelty in the distortion of human nature.
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Pimps/Traffickers stalking Polish rail_stations to prey on vulnerable women/children refugees.
Given how obvious this will be why not post armed police with instructions to shoot them dead? Sounds like a rare easy opportunity to clean up the town/city if they're all focused around stations plus it would free up some housing for refugees.
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Given how obvious this will be why not post armed police with instructions to shoot them dead? Sounds like a rare easy opportunity to clean up the town/city if they're all focused around stations plus it would free up some housing for refugees.
cops are usually in on the take. They protect ANY interest that pays, not the people.
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Given how obvious this will be why not post armed police with instructions to shoot them dead? Sounds like a rare easy opportunity to clean up the town/city if they're all focused around stations plus it would free up some housing for refugees.
cops are usually in on the take. They protect ANY interest that pays, not the people.
That's a very cynical view of the policing of a country you surely have little knowledge of, not that I have any either. I know there's lots of money involved but I doubt there's enough to bribe the entire police force so all it should take for this to not be a problem is irregular rotation of duties on a daily basis with no notice so no officer gets comfortable in their patch and no criminal knows who to bribe or when it's safe to do dodgy dealings. Assuming you can trust the guy doing the assigning not to put bent officers in the same area every Thursday, that is. So add that role to the list and don't allow anyone to do it again until all but 5 people have done it for a day, and never allow anyone to assign that job to someone who they previously did or anyone who gave them it, checking three steps back and forward and not allowing anyone to assign anyone to the same area they did last time. I think I just invented an admin nightmare but it should work? Now just to overcome the one thing I do know about the country - it's very Christian. That might mean some officers aren't keen on shooting suspects in the first place...
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That's a very cynical view of the policing of a country you surely have little knowledge of, not that I have any either. I know there's lots of money involved but I doubt there's enough to bribe the entire police force so all it should take for this to not be a problem is irregular rotation
No there isn't enough money to bribe the whole police force, you just need a few at the top and 1 or 2 foot soldier /janitorial staff for information.
This is not a matter of ideals, moral discussion, this is real life. Market systems naturally drive these behaviors.
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This is not a matter of ideals, moral discussion, this is real life. Market systems naturally drive these behaviors.
Real life sucks, if I can't imagine a world where things could work I quickly get suicidal/genocidal with the target "group" being humans so I'm out of this and any serious discussion for a while.
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Ya'll think Soysauce really had dat hear7_attack ?
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Likely just paranoia, but the past week I have noticed a huge influx of Russian-speaking people around the city. Way more than usual. Single men walking around speaking Russian into an earpiece or cell phone.
Red Dawn coming soon to a town near you?
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Likely just paranoia, but the past week I have noticed a huge influx of Russian-speaking people around the city. Way more than usual. Single men walking around speaking Russian into an earpiece or cell phone.
Red Dawn coming soon to a town near you?
I personally ordered them to nick your ****coins after they've taken care of you :p
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Likely just paranoia, but the past week I have noticed a huge influx of Russian-speaking people around the city. Way more than usual. Single men walking around speaking Russian into an earpiece or cell phone.
Red Dawn coming soon to a town near you?
I personally ordered them to nick your ****coins after they've taken care of you :p
They really seem to love fish, and old women wearing way too much makeup.
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From having visited a local Russian food store (before the invasion), and seen it had a selection of weird fish, (a useless anecdotal sample of one ...), I believe you're right: Russians seem to love fish. :p
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They really seem to love fish, and old women wearing way too much makeup.
fish is full of bio_accumulated high lvls of industrial toxins + Rad1a71on.
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And the bigger the fish, the better!
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Those lived in American waters, too. What I always think about is how old those creatures must have been, and wonder how their descendants even make it out of adolescence.
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"Give up nukes for protections"
Gets invaded
"come to negotiatons"
Assassin squad waiting
"Ok, come to the real negotiations"
Everyone poisoned
"But seriously, agree to never join NATO or any other union and we'll stop the invasion"
*Looks at Georgia*
Seriously, why would you trust Putin at this point?
If he truly wants a ceasefire it's pretty simple, all he has to do is leave Ukraine.
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the letter Z cancelled
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/03/26/zurich-insurance-axes-z-logo-letter-becomes-putin-symbol/
the letter V is next
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Seriously, why would you trust Putin at this point?
If he truly wants a ceasefire it's pretty simple, all he has to do is leave Ukraine.
From his perspective, na7o is on his lawn, and he's the angry grandfather yelling get'off'mah'lawn, and throws his tennis ball walker at U|<ra1n3
The sovereignty of a nation is actually NOT FIXED. The whole system is merely a conduct agreement.
For example, there is a basket of aples on the ground, you can not lift the whole thing, you can only take 1 apple in each hand.
Someone else stronger Could lift the whole basket and he got there before you, so you get nothing, and he takes the whole basket.
In a CIVIL SOCIETY, we distribute apples based on certain codes of conduct / utility efficiency. HOWEVER, there's no rule that says we HAVE to be civil.
For example, the USA killed millions of Iraq Civilians for our 5-6 thousand loss. For the First few weeks of our Iraq Invasion, we left no infrastructure standing, thousands starved to death or died of disease/lack of medical care/ lack of water. It's Justifiable in the sense that it destabilizes the mid-east, strengthens our own Oil Partners in the region, and it dissuades any further conflict. That doesn't mean it's not a Di(k move.
Outside of how the Media-Frames-It, Pudz's move is completely legitimate and logical (From HIS Perspective).
There's no argument that he could've done it in a better way.
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Justifiable in the sense that it destabilizes
That is the reasoning that the anti-American Radical Right uses to justify terrorist activities such as the disruption of the peaceful transfer of power and voter suppression.
A stable society would abhor inequity and work towards goals that benefit its population as a whole such as access to health care and slowing global warming.
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Justifiable in the sense that it destabilizes
That is the reasoning that the anti-American Radical Right uses to justify terrorist activities such as the disruption of the peaceful transfer of power and voter suppression.
A stable society would abhor inequity and work towards goals that benefit its population as a whole such as access to health care and slowing global warming.
If we had infinite processing power or infinite time to think about it, what you say would be obvious. But we don't, so smaller scope decisions have to be made, because "Humans beings" are the ones making these decisions, and THEY have ONLY their small constituents.
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At least 7 bus loads of Russian soldiers have arrived in Belarus for treatment for radiation sickness.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-soldiers-disturbed-radioactive-dust-chernobyls-red-forest-2022-03-28/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-soldiers-disturbed-radioactive-dust-chernobyls-red-forest-2022-03-28/)
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At least 7 bus loads of Russian soldiers have arrived in Belarus for treatment for radiation sickness.
/Swish....
Called it..
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R|_| hand control of (hernoby1 nv(lear plant back to U|<, IA3A says..
____ Darn this rad1a7ion sux, here you dea1 with it...
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I'm afraid that the Russia leaders could be going to use a nuke, chemical or biological weapons on Kyiv soon.
I would not put it past them, considering that they have absolutely no honour.
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I'm afraid that the Russia leaders could be going to use a nuke
To what end?
It seems to me that slinking away with "something" to claim as a victory and putting it behind them is the only rational end game.
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I'm afraid that the Russia leaders could be going to use a nuke, chemical or biological weapons on Kyiv soon.
I would not put it past them, considering that they have absolutely no honour.
That would be REALLY stupid, unless Putin has decided to turn Russia into a parking lot. They could never get away with that in this age, every other country would hit them with everything they have, and it would end poorly for everyone.
On the bright side, it would solve all my depression and money problems right away!
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Oh, there are military analysts that have warned that Putin could use chemical or biological weapons soon. Biden has warned that Putin could use them and is sending gas-masks. Ukrainian TV has broadcasting advice to civilians on what to do in case of a chemical attack.
Putin's ally al-Assad had used chemical weapons in Syria on many occasions, and got help from Russia to blame some attacks on the opposition there — which is an indication that Putin would have no ethical objection against using them. Russia is known to have reused terrorism tactics previously used against civilians in Syria in Ukraine already: as we have seen in Mariupol, for instance.
Russia has in their propaganda-war already prepared to blame any possible chemical attack on Ukraine itself by claiming that Ukraine would have chemical weapons of their own.
And now they are moving their troops away from Kyiv, away from a possible future contamination zone. The Ukrainian government is the likely target IMO: because they have been the target of multiple assassination attempts earlier in the war.
And what does Putin have left to lose? Some European countries are still dependent on Russian gas, but are trying to cut that dependency. And then he is trading with China. That's it.
What Putin can "get away with" is a useless question. No nation is going to risk another war by retaliating on Ukraine's behalf. He doesn't have a face to save in international politics. He has painted himself into a corner and lowered the iron curtain.
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And what does Putin have left to lose?
I am the same age as Putin (he is actually about 4 months younger than me).
From personal experience I can tell you that when you start looking towards those final days/years/decades of life your perspective changes, and the future starts looking more murky rather than more clear.
Unless he is looking at his imminent demise he is setting himself up for a pretty miserable future, but if he thinks that the end is very near - then rationality is irrelevant.
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Clearly Repoops Party is tainted / fully kompromised..
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/facepalm
R| dug trenches @ (hernoby1, like, what ? do they realize the whole point was to keep that stuff "underground".
THE FORMER U55R spent alot of effort and money to cover the top.
3.b r0tg/\, not good, not bad
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/facepalm
R| dug trenches @ (hernoby1, like, what ? do they realize the whole point was to keep that stuff "underground".
THE FORMER U55R spent alot of effort and money to cover the top.
3.b r0tg/\, not good, not bad
Can you imagine how ****ing awful that must be for those soldiers digging and sitting in those trenches? A lot of people pointed out that they are young and most likely didn't even know where they were. Just dumb kids following orders.
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It's worse than dea7h, Severe and (rare) (an(ers within 3-5 years and they probably don't have insurance.
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Fam1ne high potential, proximal nations of U|</\
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young and most likely didn't even know where they were. Just dumb kids following orders.
This was true of most war before near-instantaneous universal communication became the norm. But it makes you wonder how young Russians could be so isolated.
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young and most likely didn't even know where they were. Just dumb kids following orders.
This was true of most war before near-instantaneous universal communication became the norm. But it makes you wonder how young Russians could be so isolated.
The Russian media is state-controlled, and lately the Russian government has cut off (most) other forms of news. It's a less extreme version of the systems China and North Korea already have in place, but the idea is very similar - and history has shown us time and time again that it works.
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The Russian media is state-controlled, and lately the Russian government has cut off (most) other forms of news
I believe that, but I was under the impression that 18-25-year-olds (soldier age) around the world were very tech savvy. My kids are 21 and 25 and sometimes I wonder whether they might as well epoxy their phones to their left hands.
So you think that Russian efforts to cut its citizens off from the world are really that effective?
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It doesn't take very much, when you have a "pre_programmed" population that PREFERS the Brainwashing.
In 'Murica we have our own 50% of the population who are repoop, they have all the freedom to educate themselves, yet THEY CHOOSE Ignorance and Bigotry.
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The Russian media is state-controlled, and lately the Russian government has cut off (most) other forms of news
I believe that, but I was under the impression that 18-25-year-olds (soldier age) around the world were very tech savvy. My kids are 21 and 25 and sometimes I wonder whether they might as well epoxy their phones to their left hands.
So you think that Russian efforts to cut its citizens off from the world are really that effective?
Well obviously not against everyone, hence why they have protests going on even despite the huge punishments they know they're going to face. But we're talking about soldiers here. Soldiers everywhere are known for generally being very right-wing and nationalistic. There are a lot of conscripts as well, to which this obviously doesn't apply, but let's not forget that there are significant numbers of Russian soldiers that are surrendering or just deserting now.
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Was gekha under dat cybrA77a(K ?
cdn malfunction just now ?
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"The Russian people will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scum and traitors and simply spit them out like a gnat that accidentally flew into their mouths."
"I am convinced that such a natural and necessary cleansing of society will only strengthen our country, our solidarity, cohesion and readiness to respond to any challenges."
- from a recent statement by Vladimir Putin
In response to a question from a reporter ("I ask them if they have encountered any instances of Russophobia while abroad") a new Russian exile in Istanbul named Nastya had this sharp reply:
“Nowhere are Russians treated as badly as in Russia.”
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In response to a question from a reporter ("I ask them if they have encountered any instances of Russophobia while abroad") a new Russian exile in Istanbul named Nastya had this sharp reply:
“Nowhere are Russians treated as badly as in Russia.”
This is probably due to the scarcity problem in totalitarian regimes.
People can't be (as) nice or (as) compassionate, if they don't have enough. WE TEACH Everyone TO TRY, but in practice, it doesn't work out.
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In response to a question from a reporter ("I ask them if they have encountered any instances of Russophobia while abroad") a new Russian exile in Istanbul named Nastya had this sharp reply:
“Nowhere are Russians treated as badly as in Russia.”
This is probably due to the scarcity problem in totalitarian regimes.
People can't be (as) nice or (as) compassionate, if they don't have enough. WE TEACH Everyone TO TRY, but in practice, it doesn't work out.
Sorry, I don't understand this at all. What scarcity? What we?
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Sorry, I don't understand this at all. What scarcity? What we?
don't know how else to word it chyros, tp4 not gud' @ the english
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tp4 not gud' @ the english
That is excruciatingly obvious.
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they captured the \/kr41n1an "drumph" and now has him in custody after he initially went into hiding.
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I can't believe one of those rich oligarchs hasn't had Putin put down by now. You know they value protecting their assets over any 'loyalty', and the way things are going Russia is going to be the next North Korea in terms of global isolation.
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Russia is going to be the next North Korea in terms of global isolation.
From my previous post : “Nowhere are Russians treated as badly as in Russia.”
At the beginning of this fiasco we were told that Putin's approval ratings were very high.
I would love to be able to hear the real number today.
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A Swiss doctor refuses to continue to treat a gay Russian man with HIV: https://www.blick.ch/wirtschaft/russen-hass-statt-putin-boykott-schweizer-arzt-verweigert-russischem-hiv-patienten-die-behandlung-id17293433.html. The patient’s treatment was not available in Russia.
A performance of a gay Russian composer cancelled: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/09/cardiff-philharmonic-orchestra-removes-tchaikovsky-over-ukraine-conflict
Hmmmmm
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I hope all of this war ends soon. Its so disheartening for this to happen in the 21st century.
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This war is really bringing out the venom in people everywhere, even those completely outside of the conflict.
I can only hope that the world learns from what's happening now in Russia in response to this conflict. Elect a fascist, and it could be YOU getting thrown into a gulag. It may take months or years, but with fascists in power, it's inevitable, they'll come for you next. A lesson the UK and US electorates hopefully re-learn in time before it's too late.
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2) 🔥🔥🔥 out of 🔥🔥🔥: Russians elect their leader
They definitely don't now under Putin. But everything I've read strongly suggests that Russians were given a choice whom to elect after Yeltsin.
EDIT: either way, that's not actually the point I was making. I was mentioning what can happen to other countries if they elect a fascist.
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Snopes confirms legitimacy.
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Toldyaso, carriers/large cruisers are a waste of money and they're garbage.
ALL Big ships sink fast, way too easy to destroy..
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Toldyaso, carriers/large cruisers are a waste of money and they're garbage.
ALL Big ships sink fast, way too easy to destroy..
Well it didn't sink so in fact being big may well have saved it :p . EDIT: looks like it has now actually sunk! Apparently at first it slunk back after the fire but was sank due to stormy weather later that day.
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sank due to stormy weather later that day.
Large warships are dinosaurs for sure. But the Catch-22 is that any vehicles capable of carrying large heavy loads are of necessity large and heavy (therefore = slow) themselves.
On the ground there are opportunities for camouflage but in the air or on the surface of water you are completely exposed - plus facing destruction if your means of support is compromised.
Too bad wars are not still the way they were pre-technology, when it was just poking opponents with pointed objects.
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Russia is doing a great job in making Sweden and Finland join NATO. Swedish politicians seem to be waiting for Finland to join first though.
As I see it, Swedes are most comprehensive about the issues:
- Don't want to be in a military alliance that involves nuclear weapons.
- Don't want foreign military bases
- Not happy about being in a military alliance with Turkey at the moment (Erdogan)
- Not happy about being in a military alliance with USA (people here were very much against GWB and Trump)
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Russia is doing a great job in making Sweden and Finland join NATO. Swedish politicians seem to be waiting for Finland to join first though.
As I see it, Swedes are most comprehensive about the issues:
- Don't want to be in a military alliance that involves nuclear weapons.
- Don't want foreign military bases
- Not happy about being in a military alliance with Turkey at the moment (Erdogan)
- Not happy about being in a military alliance with USA (people here were very much against GWB and Trump)
I think all those points make complete sense tbh. Plus, Sweden is really quite unlikely to be targeted. If Russia can't even get Ukraine on its knees, how are they going to fare against the Swedes? Plus, they'd probably have to go through Finland first, and they have +300% Enhanced Damage Against Russians as we all know.
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I really can't see how this can end with anything but disaster and humiliation for Russia, even if they level the entire nation of Ukraine into a radioactive desert and Putin remains alive for several more years.
The only positive outcome, it seems to me, would be to remove Putin (and what is left of his support system) as soon as possible and hope that whoever fills the vacuum grovels for forgiveness for Russia's aggression and begs for charity.
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C00 is one of the ways out.
But it's not necessarily the best option.
Given that there isn't a huge technological disparity between R| and the rest of the world.
They can go full hermit kingdom, and do well, because they still have significant natural resources that have existing infrastructure for extraction.
Online warriors say R| will go Ntcorea, that's plainly not true, Ntco has so little industrial capacity / energy, they simply can not power up.
R| for the entirety of the last 50 years was merely SQUANDERING their resources and not investing properly at home.
Isolating R| may force them to invest inwards..
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hermit kingdom
But what about the large number of Russians who have seen the modern world?
My impression is that North Korea is more than a half-century behind and its population has never had a clue ....
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On the ground there are opportunities for camouflage but in the air or on the surface of water you are completely exposed - plus facing destruction if your means of support is compromised.
There is almost no hiding places on the ground anymore, technology has made ground cover almost irrelevant.
It's really only a matter of how much it's worth ($$$) to drive you out versus collateral damage. You might hide from ground troops or a tank, but anything more advanced and you're not hiding from anything.
The only reason it appears to still work is because Russia's military is fighting a war with 60 years out of date equipment and tactics, they tried a WW2 blitzkrieg in an age of cell phones, drones (military and hobby) and easily transported shoulder fired anti-tank missiles.
Too bad wars are not still the way they were pre-technology, when it was just poking opponents with pointed objects.
As crazy as it seems, modern war is way nicer than it was in the past.
War is supposed to be brutal.
Without it being brutal you have no fear of it and therefore won't avoid it.
The Military Industrial Complex knows this and they drool over the idea of a bloodless war. How much did we spend on the cold war? How many drones have we bought on the basis that it "keeps our soldiers out of harms way"?
If you can find it, I highly recommend an original episode of Star Trek called A Taste of Armageddon.
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Too bad wars are not still the way they were pre-technology
War is supposed to be brutal.
an original episode of Star Trek called A Taste of Armageddon.
That was my point - when an up close and personal death on the battlefield was preferable to a "collateral" slow death by infection or some other ancient woe.
And yes, I was an avid Star Trek fan in 1967 when I was a freshman in high school.
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2) 🔥🔥🔥 out of 🔥🔥🔥: Russians elect their leader
They definitely don't now under Putin. But everything I've read strongly suggests that Russians were given a choice whom to elect after Yeltsin.
EDIT: either way, that's not actually the point I was making. I was mentioning what can happen to other countries if they elect a fascist.
If we ignore that 'fascist' thing for a second, UK is going towards where Russia is, at full steam. Tories are openly pocketing public money (even UR is doing this more secretively), the new bill allows police to criminalise a peaceful protest if it 'causes nuisance', the ruling party doesn't care about its own breaches of law, and any chance of the opposition to win a general election are zero.
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2) 🔥🔥🔥 out of 🔥🔥🔥: Russians elect their leader
They definitely don't now under Putin. But everything I've read strongly suggests that Russians were given a choice whom to elect after Yeltsin.
EDIT: either way, that's not actually the point I was making. I was mentioning what can happen to other countries if they elect a fascist.
If we ignore that 'fascist' thing for a second, UK is going towards where Russia is, at full steam. Tories are openly pocketing public money (even UR is doing this more secretively), the new bill allows police to criminalise a peaceful protest if it 'causes nuisance', the ruling party doesn't care about its own breaches of law, and any chance of the opposition to win a general election are zero.
Maybe I misunderstood your point but how exactly is that not fascism? xD
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is that not fascism?
It is, and the US and UK both have sizeable sub-populations who have been brainwashed to believe that "nationalism" is in the best interest of "their nation"
2 things are necessary for that to happen :
(1) the public education system must fail to properly teach critical thinking and what was called "civics" (when I was in school), that is, an understanding of human society and its governance
(2) there must be a powerful mass media operation to misinform those who are susceptible to propaganda
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2) 🔥🔥🔥 out of 🔥🔥🔥: Russians elect their leader
They definitely don't now under Putin. But everything I've read strongly suggests that Russians were given a choice whom to elect after Yeltsin.
EDIT: either way, that's not actually the point I was making. I was mentioning what can happen to other countries if they elect a fascist.
If we ignore that 'fascist' thing for a second, UK is going towards where Russia is, at full steam. Tories are openly pocketing public money (even UR is doing this more secretively), the new bill allows police to criminalise a peaceful protest if it 'causes nuisance', the ruling party doesn't care about its own breaches of law, and any chance of the opposition to win a general election are zero.
Maybe I misunderstood your point but how exactly is that not fascism? xD
For starters, fascism requires a strong leader and not the one who hides from reporters in a fridge.
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2) 🔥🔥🔥 out of 🔥🔥🔥: Russians elect their leader
They definitely don't now under Putin. But everything I've read strongly suggests that Russians were given a choice whom to elect after Yeltsin.
EDIT: either way, that's not actually the point I was making. I was mentioning what can happen to other countries if they elect a fascist.
If we ignore that 'fascist' thing for a second, UK is going towards where Russia is, at full steam. Tories are openly pocketing public money (even UR is doing this more secretively), the new bill allows police to criminalise a peaceful protest if it 'causes nuisance', the ruling party doesn't care about its own breaches of law, and any chance of the opposition to win a general election are zero.
Maybe I misunderstood your point but how exactly is that not fascism? xD
For starters, fascism requires a strong leader and not the one who hides from reporters in a fridge.
Don't be fooled by his clownish exterior and behaviour, it's all a deceptive facade. Boris Johnson is an extremely shrewd politician and (by West-European standards, at least) pretty ruthless in his ambitions.
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(2) there must be a powerful mass media operation to misinform those who are susceptible to propaganda
For example :
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/mar/14/kremlin-memos-russian-media-tucker-carlson-fox-news-mother-jones?link_id=0&can_id=ee3f01c5aee94c4fedf4d71ec14e3417&source=email-the-problem-with-fox-news-just-got-much-worse-3&email_referrer=email_1511684&email_subject=the-problem-with-fox-news-just-got-much-worse (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/mar/14/kremlin-memos-russian-media-tucker-carlson-fox-news-mother-jones?link_id=0&can_id=ee3f01c5aee94c4fedf4d71ec14e3417&source=email-the-problem-with-fox-news-just-got-much-worse-3&email_referrer=email_1511684&email_subject=the-problem-with-fox-news-just-got-much-worse)
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(2) there must be a powerful mass media operation to misinform those who are susceptible to propaganda
For example :
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/mar/14/kremlin-memos-russian-media-tucker-carlson-fox-news-mother-jones?link_id=0&can_id=ee3f01c5aee94c4fedf4d71ec14e3417&source=email-the-problem-with-fox-news-just-got-much-worse-3&email_referrer=email_1511684&email_subject=the-problem-with-fox-news-just-got-much-worse (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/mar/14/kremlin-memos-russian-media-tucker-carlson-fox-news-mother-jones?link_id=0&can_id=ee3f01c5aee94c4fedf4d71ec14e3417&source=email-the-problem-with-fox-news-just-got-much-worse-3&email_referrer=email_1511684&email_subject=the-problem-with-fox-news-just-got-much-worse)
This is the same tactic We used to Absorb Japan after nvking them.
Post ww jpn was vehemantly against USA relations, the upstanding citizenry and then gov were going to rebuild jpn and REMOVE from power the old Yakuza and War Criminals who were in charge.
In order to overcome this tension, The USA empowered and bought out the War Criminals instead. This is how we dominated Jpn post war with OUR media/culture/industry.
R| is now turning it against USA, by buying out OUR rich losers/thieves/Drumphers/republi(ans
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buying out OUR rich losers/thieves/Drumphers/republi(ans
Russia can't afford to buy Americans.
The simple answer is that the desires of Putin and his cronies are identical to those of the uncaring ultra-wealthy (which is most, but not all of them).
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buying out OUR rich losers/thieves/Drumphers/republi(ans
Russia can't afford to buy Americans.
The simple answer is that the desires of Pu7in and his cronies are identical to those of the uncaring ultra-wealthy (which is most, but not all of them).
This is not true. They absolute can afford to buy Americans who are indebt/ bad with money, which spans quite the spectrum among the wealthy as well.
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Americans who are indebt/ bad with money
Well, you're right. There was certainly ONE of those.
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If this (magic) c00 does not materialize soon, which we're all hoping for, U|<r really must negotiate surrender..
Our own 'Murican Hegemony is as fragile as R|'s , push comes to shove, we (May not) be able to win a war against R|.
We're hoping to Shame R| into a c00 right now, but this is not guaranteed. If Pudz stays, and the c00 does not work out, against the wall, He will obliterate U|<r.
We may have the support of Europe <right now>, but that can change if a larger "war" starts up..
fingers crossed for c00 100%, but this has never been a very good plan
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Alot of recent opposition against US involvement, saying USA has broken promises, committed genocide, predatory imperialists. The hypocrisy of calling Pudz a w4r cr1m1nal while our own Bush killed 1-2 million iraq civilians, starved, murdered children, etc...
OK, SURE, the US has done all of those things.
But R! are worse team_players, that's the point.
You got a choice of 2 shi7 sandwiches, R and US4, we the US4 are still better. With R, they will just give you poo, with US4, you get a choice of sidesalad at least.
This is the way of the world.
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2) 🔥🔥🔥 out of 🔥🔥🔥: Russians elect their leader
They definitely don't now under Putin. But everything I've read strongly suggests that Russians were given a choice whom to elect after Yeltsin.
EDIT: either way, that's not actually the point I was making. I was mentioning what can happen to other countries if they elect a fascist.
If we ignore that 'fascist' thing for a second, UK is going towards where Russia is, at full steam. Tories are openly pocketing public money (even UR is doing this more secretively), the new bill allows police to criminalise a peaceful protest if it 'causes nuisance', the ruling party doesn't care about its own breaches of law, and any chance of the opposition to win a general election are zero.
Maybe I misunderstood your point but how exactly is that not fascism? xD
For starters, fascism requires a strong leader and not the one who hides from reporters in a fridge.
Don't be fooled by his clownish exterior and behaviour, it's all a deceptive facade. Boris Johnson is an extremely shrewd politician and (by West-European standards, at least) pretty ruthless in his ambitions.
Can't say I remember anything 'shrewd' about him that happened in his time as PM. It's just scandal after scandal, corruption and incompetence. He won the undercarpet fight for leadership in the Tory party and now refuses to let it go. His popular support that he had due to his 'get Brexit done' slogan is largely gone. The British public think he's a liar. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-liar-poll-b2060046.html
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2) 🔥🔥🔥 out of 🔥🔥🔥: Russians elect their leader
They definitely don't now under Putin. But everything I've read strongly suggests that Russians were given a choice whom to elect after Yeltsin.
EDIT: either way, that's not actually the point I was making. I was mentioning what can happen to other countries if they elect a fascist.
If we ignore that 'fascist' thing for a second, UK is going towards where Russia is, at full steam. Tories are openly pocketing public money (even UR is doing this more secretively), the new bill allows police to criminalise a peaceful protest if it 'causes nuisance', the ruling party doesn't care about its own breaches of law, and any chance of the opposition to win a general election are zero.
Maybe I misunderstood your point but how exactly is that not fascism? xD
For starters, fascism requires a strong leader and not the one who hides from reporters in a fridge.
Don't be fooled by his clownish exterior and behaviour, it's all a deceptive facade. Boris Johnson is an extremely shrewd politician and (by West-European standards, at least) pretty ruthless in his ambitions.
Can't say I remember anything 'shrewd' about him that happened in his time as PM. It's just scandal after scandal, corruption and incompetence. He won the undercarpet fight for leadership in the Tory party and now refuses to let it go. His popular support that he had due to his 'get Brexit done' slogan is largely gone. The British public think he's a liar. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-liar-poll-b2060046.html
Obviously he is, and yet he's still in power. And not only that, but pushing through lots of legislation his friends are telling him to.
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The British public think he's a liar.
Obviously he is, and yet he's still in power.
I can't speak for Europe, but in the US there is a shocking disconnect in a large portion (large majority?) of "ordinary" people who simply do not understand how profoundly "the government" is decoupled from "the people" in our republic - and it is "the people's" fault because they focus almost exclusively on the President and ignore "downballot candidates" (ie Congress and the judicial) who wield the real power. And if that weren't bad enough, Congress has erected many procedural barriers over the years to cripple its own functionality.
Today the Radical Right media is whipping its spectators into a frenzy over gasoline prices and pointing their attention at President Biden - as if he has something to do with gas prices!
When gas prices double, oil company profits double. Who controls that? And, to add insult to injury, our government actually pays subsidies to oil giants!
https://www.brookings.edu/research/reforming-global-fossil-fuel-subsidies-how-the-united-states-can-restart-international-cooperation/ (https://www.brookings.edu/research/reforming-global-fossil-fuel-subsidies-how-the-united-states-can-restart-international-cooperation/)
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fohat, you are also severely disillusioned. We are as much a "plutocracy" in your terms as any other country. Biden/ the Democrats serve the same "type" of money groups as the repoops.
Every president, ever, here come the bombs, oh, we're out of 1raq, U|<R41n3, order more bombs.
It's not anyone's fault, it's everyone's fault. Every shortsighted decision made by humans culminate in the leaders we have.
I'm not convinced it could've been done any better.
Glory to AI, it's gon' fix everything
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Democrats serve the same "type" of money groups as the repoops.
Absolutely false. You could not be more wrong.
For decades the Democratic Party has been cleaning itself up as the Republicans have been digging in for the dollars.
Until the late-1970s the parties were fairly similar, it is true. But everything changed.*
*Except for Joe Manchin - he is one of the worst offenders of all.
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Democrats serve the same "type" of money groups as the repoops.
Absolutely false. You could not be more wrong.
For decades the Democratic Party has been cleaning itself up as the Republicans have been digging in for the dollars.
Until the late-1970s the parties were fairly similar, it is true. But everything changed.*
*Except for Joe Manchin - he is one of the worst offenders of all.
Fohat, there's Nothing to "clean up"
All human organizations eventually end up in the exact same arrangement because this is the only way human command structure can exist.
What difference does it make if Bomb sellers lobby democrat vs repoop. Or a drug company, or a gasoline company.
Why do civilizations collapse again and again, behavioral sink. Once it reaches a critical state in the <leadership> community, we make more bad moves than good, and the whole system tanks.
Behavioral sink is very basically the dis_connect between action_rewards circuitry, a completely insulated cache of humans who are invulnerable and insensitive to the "reality" of which they are suppose to govern.
This happens to ALL humans, democrat and repoops.
Trump kills 2 million americans, he goes home food drugs prostitutes.
Bush kills 2-3 million iraqis, he goes home food drugs prostitutes.
Clinton Kosovo, Iraq, he goes home food drugs prostitutes.
THE PATTERN pervasive in all situations is their insulation from consequences. Behavioral sink.
AI is the ONLY SOLUTION
Humans are neither intelligent nor disciplined enough to guide humanity any further.
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The British public think he's a liar.
Obviously he is, and yet he's still in power.
I can't speak for Europe, but in the US there is a shocking disconnect in a large portion (large majority?) of "ordinary" people who simply do not understand how profoundly "the government" is decoupled from "the people" in our republic - and it is "the people's" fault because they focus almost exclusively on the President and ignore "downballot candidates" (ie Congress and the judicial) who wield the real power. And if that weren't bad enough, Congress has erected many procedural barriers over the years to cripple its own functionality.
Today the Radical Right media is whipping its spectators into a frenzy over gasoline prices and pointing their attention at President Biden - as if he has something to do with gas prices!
It's a bit different here, although I wouldn't be surprised if some of this holds true in the US as well. Right-wing parties here are winning against left-wing ones because poor people have stopped caring about unions and strikes and benefits, and now really only care about getting rid of as many foreigners as they can. This is why UK Labour (and similar parties like it) are becoming irrelevant. The clearest example of this is when Britain voted for Brexit because the obvious economic losses were preferable over Syrian refugees and (Eastern) European immigrants for the majority of the population. Racism is also what's keeping Johnson in power even now - the right wing's electorate's disillusionment in their government flaunting all the rules is a small price to pay if the populace gets to keep getting away with overt hate speech in return.
There was a speech by David Lammy from a few years ago that struck me at the time on this point: "Immigrants have not taken your jobs, our schools and colleges failed to give you the skills, hospitals are not crumbling because of health tourists but decades of austerity that ground them down to the bone, you cannot afford a house because both parties failed to build, not because of Mohammed down the road who moved in" - an uncommon sound in Parliament.
In the Netherlands we have two parties that operate along the same principle - a populist one that hates on Muslims (this party have taken over almost the entirety of the Labour votes for ther exact same reasons), and an in-all-but-name neo-nazi party. The former is sizeable, the latter thankfully very small, and all other parties work together to actively keep them out of the government; working together with them is absolute political suicide at the moment. Hopefully this will last.
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In the Netherlands we have two parties that operate along the same principle - a populist one that hates on Muslims (this party have taken over almost the entirety of the Labour votes for ther exact same reasons), and an in-all-but-name neo-nazi party. The former is sizeable, the latter thankfully very small, and all other parties work together to actively keep them out of the government; working together with them is absolute political suicide at the moment. Hopefully this will last.
We used to have a similar situation here in Sweden too ... until support for the populist party grew too large.
Then the conservative parties switched sides to theirs, partly to form a winning side, and partly to attract voters from the populist party to their own.
The current crisis has so far only made the ruling Social Democrat (i.e. "Labour") party stronger in the polls though ... but it's an election year and a lot can change.
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Wimbledon 2022: Russian & Belarusian players banned from tournament
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61161016
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This is from a breathtaking lecture by a Russian intellectual :
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/26/2094225/-A-terrifying-look-into-Putin-s-possible-motivation-leading-to-the-invasion-of-Ukraine?pm_source=story_sidebar&pm_medium=web&pm_campaign=recommended (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/26/2094225/-A-terrifying-look-into-Putin-s-possible-motivation-leading-to-the-invasion-of-Ukraine?pm_source=story_sidebar&pm_medium=web&pm_campaign=recommended)
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good writer sure, but it's far too convoluted a scheme.
It's clear as day that there is absolutely no challenge to Pudz's power, and there wouldn't be for as long as he lived.
People don't even think 10-20 years ahead, they certainly don't care about what happens after their stepdown or when they're dead.
It was a clear miscalculation of u|<r's resolve, the limited dependence on R|s natural resources, and the depth of economic corruption and rot from within their military industrial, things they THOUGHT they had, they had already squandered.
Conspiracies are NEVER that Deep..
If it was merely to produce narrow minded sycophants as a base population, there are much cheaper and easier ways to do so. Hello Fox News and Education cuts :D
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for as long as he lived.
That is the operative time frame.
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Russia is now doing internal propaganda against Sweden, including slander against children's book author Astrid Lindgren (1907-2002), calling her a Nazi — which of course is total cock.
Their "proof" is that she in her "war diary" in 1940 had written that if Sweden got invaded by Germany or the USSR (of two evils), she would have preferred it to have been by Germany. At that time, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was still in effect, i.e. USSR and Germany were seen as being practically on the same side.
... but the official revisionist history in Russia today is that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact never existed.
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... but the official revisionist history in Russia today is that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact never existed.
From "The history of Russia for high school" by Fedorov, Moryakov and Schetinin:
"Молотов и Риббентроп подписали в Москве пакт о ненападении и секретный дополнительный протокол к нему о разделе "сфер влияния" в Восточной Европе. Согласно последнему, Берлин признавал "сферой влияния" Советского Союза республики Прибалтики, Финляндию, восточную часть Польши и Бессарабию".
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Signing the Molotov Ribbentrop pact, right at the beginning of this article from Russia's Ministry of Defence (no less):
https://mil.ru/winner_may/history/more.htm?id=11982000@cmsArticle
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A detailed article on Molotov-Ribbentrop pact on ria.ru, which is literally a Russian Government's propaganda website:
https://ria.ru/20090823/181846299.html?ysclid=l2qiysg21d
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Russia is now doing internal propaganda against Sweden, including slander against children's book author Astrid Lindgren (1907-2002), calling her a Nazi — which of course is total cock.
Their "proof" is that she in her "war diary" in 1940 had written that if Sweden got invaded by Germany or the USSR (of two evils), she would have preferred it to have been by Germany. At that time, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was still in effect, i.e. USSR and Germany were seen as being practically on the same side.
... but the official revisionist history in Russia today is that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact never existed.
It's important to remember that ALL nations are just as complicit in their own propaganda and Revisionist history.
For example, we want to TRY Pudz for war crimes, but the United States itself is completely exempt from any war_crime trials. We even have clauses established that gives us the right to extract any member being put to trial in any country.
There was also no evidence in 1raq, we never found any legitimate cause for "Our inva510n", Therefore, our destruction through 1raq could be considered major geno(ide and warcrime, again, Since we control the tribunal, Nothing happened to "Our" war crim1nals, Bush.
Our testing of Nv(lear weapn's on the Bikinis Islands, iradiating the people there, etc, again war cr1me.
The Rv551an 1nva51on is also NOT entirely "unprov0ked" like it reads in the paper.
We were conducting Joint military exercises with U|<r leading up to the R| 1nva51on. we were added weapons and extending Na7o.
What would be the EXPECTED response, if Rv55ia were building up weapons and joint exercises with Mexico. U|<R relative to Rv551a is exactly in the position of Mexico Relative to the U5A.
Again, Tp4 fully believes Pudz is in the wrong for what he's done, and that we (U5A) are "Probably" a better partner for U|<R in the long run, BUT we are ALSO responsible at least 50% of this 1nva5ion through our international meddling and poor policy.
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"Our" war crim1nals, Bush. +Wolfowitz + Rumsfeld + Cheney
Fixed that for you.
we are ALSO responsible at least 50% of this 1nva5ion through our international meddling and poor policy.
I strenuously disagree with you there.
Putin is terrified at the prospect of "his" population seeing and recognizing what freedom and the modern world look like.
Western Europe is example enough, and knowing that Ukraine was growing closer to joining "the West" must have been the last straw.
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I strenuously disagree with you there.
Putin is terrified at the prospect of "his" population seeing and recognizing what freedom and the modern world look like.
Western Europe is example enough, and knowing that Ukraine was growing closer to joining "the West" must have been the last straw.
That's 1 part of it for sure, But imagine rv55ia conducting joint war exercises with Mexico, as we were doing with U|<ra1ne
This is not a completely unprovoked response. Pudz is in the wrong for the inva51ion certainly, WE are in the wrong for meddling.
Would it matter if "mexico" wanted to join a Rv551a protectorate ? what would a U5A response be to such an event SO CLOSE to its borders.
Portions of Calif, Arizona, Texas, used to BE Mexico, what about the war crimes there ?
We're lucky to be in the WINNING Rouge state. But,, the rest of the world see it for what it is.
Maybe we can suppress general knowledge among our idiot plebian class for a while, but There is a clear united front out there against us for VERY LEGITIMATE grievances.
Our 'Murican Hegemony is just as fragile as the Rv551ans, "if not" more so... our labor force is abysmal, highly unproductive.. overweight, obese, we don't have the resolve to spend on infrastructure and education, we have climate change denial proto_fas(ist republicans.
The only few technologies we lead are quickly eroding from under us.
At every opportunity, our weapons oligarchs funnel taxes to themselves. We're exactly like the Rv55ians heading towards a failed state, albeit slower.
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We're exactly like the Rv55ians heading towards a failed state, albeit slower.
In some ways the time frame is similar. The Russia/USSR had a wobbly run of about 7 decades, give or take.
The US had become the world's most successful social democracy after WW2, and the "modern world" rebuilt itself from their rubble in our image. They recognized and understood their success and nurtured it.
We had maybe 3 excellent decades then fell into a spiral of decline thanks to the resurgence of the anti-social Right.
And before you start carping about equality, tolerance, racism, etc, remember that we were making slow but solid progress on that front until the Reagan era.
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Putin is terrified at the prospect of "his" population seeing and recognizing what freedom and the modern world look like.
Western Europe is example enough
You entitled attitude sometimes is just nauseating. After the Iron Curtain fell, Western Europe has been within easy reach for decades for anyone in ex-USSR.
I live in a Western European country whose former leader was recently knighted despite invading a sovereign country on the basis of a false pretext, which caused hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. That's what 'freedom' and 'the modern world' looks like.
knowing that Ukraine was growing closer to joining "the West" must have been the last straw
Ukraine's achievement in the past 30 years is going from second highest HDI in the USSR to the poorest country in Europe. It wasn't getting closer to joining anything before it was invaded.
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a false pretext, which caused hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. That's what 'freedom' and 'the modern world' looks like.
That is what right-wing politics looks like.
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Yeah, the mentioned former leader was the head of the famously right wing Labour Party of the U.K.
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not super convinced U5A is winning as much as "reported", look at rubles.
There's a thicker plot here. /going down the conspiracy rabbit hole.
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Putin is just desperate to get the Republicans back in control of the US.
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The most popular theory right now seems to be that no matter how the media frames it, U|<r will have to conceed SOME land for pu7n's off ramp.
further escalation, would force pudz to obliterate U|<r, U5A will over time get the blame, as other countries see that realistically, they will still come out losers, even with literally all the extra W3AP0NS in the world, then n4to will be completely done, canceled.
you can not threaten a Nv(lear nation with force, they will not respond.
The most realistic ending from U|<r's perspective may well be an ugly but necessary concession. (This is assuming our sanctions hold, and actually work long term, which is not guaranteed, trade wars are hard to win)
<there's an element> of economic trap.... now that they've had to buy Rv551a's energy with rub1es...
The cornerstone of the $Dollar is that OIL is traded solely in $Dollars. The middle east may not prefers this partnership with the U5A in the long run. But now, with sanctions, the issue has been forced.
There's alot of unknown with Eur0pe because their short/medium term is a very difficult energy transition that will be major drag on their e(conom1es.
So, now we're fighting solely for "a principle". Short term, people can do that, drag it out, they'd rather have full bellies. you can stay mad for <a while> and do things out of spite, <the principle>, LONG term, you don't stay mad enough forever, and if whatever you're doing causes you HUNGER, willpower may capitulate real fast.
The U5A is also not in a position to sustain this for 10 years, with climate change, our own infrastructure/ agriculture/energy is at major risk without Hedge Investments on their end.
The Mil17tary industrial will be happy, the gasoline company will be happy, but not everyone else.
Spending on M_industrial also means NOT SPENDING on other things. <which arguably, is more critical>
Pudz, CAN wait, he's a di(tator, he doesn't have election risk, he's already a permanent Trvmp kleptocracy, his government maintenance cost is VERY LOW.
The U5A can still fluctuate, and if the people start to feel more pinches on their bottom line, they can flip.
Trvmp comes back, they are basically neo_fascist, climate change denialists 100% in the pocket of Oil Companies..
Keep in mind guys, the U5A lost 4 wars in a row. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.
We no longer have the appetite to use our own soldiers, so the industrial complex is all too happy to sacrifie U|<ran1ans, But it's unrealistic to expect v1(tory even here, because the context of modern w4r has changed, back in the day, you fight and you go home, it's done, Now you're in the bog FOREVER, until 1 side decides this is expensive and NOT working.
So right now, we're patting ourselves on the back, look at Rv551a's ****ty army, look how they can't make advances, Neither can WE. , because these are not wars, where we can win by conventional means, GO IN, Kill everyone... , It means an indefinite involvement. Why has this lead to 4 lost wars by the U5A, Well, because our COSTS are too high relative to the opposition. How much do IEDs cost, trained disarmament engineers, equipment, "SHIPPING" $$$$$. If only Amazon Prime (War) would develop Free Shipping for our military. :D
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Just today I was reading about how Putin is frantically moving Russians into the occupied territories and putting them into Ukrainian houses so that when the inevitable referendum is taken the pro-Russia faction will out-vote the remaining Ukrainians.
Presumably it would be up to Zelensky to sue for peace since Ukraine is the "defendant" but it will be a matter of pride to keep fighting. And as long as we keep provisioning the effort there is no end in sight.
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The most popular theory right now seems to be that no matter how the media frames it, U|<r will have to conceed SOME land for pu7n's off ramp.
That or bankrupt Russia... Which is a possibility.
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The most popular theory right now seems to be that no matter how the media frames it, U|<r will have to conceed SOME land for pu7n's off ramp.
That or bankrupt Russia... Which is a possibility.
very very unlikely, monopoly bucks (banking system) vs ceaser's palace (a self sustained nu(lear nation with their own food/weapons)
no amount of money / force would compel them.
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Seriously, when Putin goes down will there be anybody with the will, or the stomach, or even the desire to carry on with this atrocious war?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10813667/Top-oligarch-secretly-recorded-saying-Putin-blood-cancer.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10813667/Top-oligarch-secretly-recorded-saying-Putin-blood-cancer.html)
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ok so that's dailymail, equivalent to tmz, as much as we want to believe, idk....
the next guy in line will almost certainly be worse. because he has to do something super crazy to keep the regime together and scare everyone.
if pudz does go, they will probably fully mobilize, ukraine will be destroyed overnight, nothing can save them in time. europe MIGHT do n4to, they MIGHT not, depending on what CN decides.
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so that's dailymail
If anything, Daily Mail leans right but it is regarded as reliable.
What, in your opinion, are some good sources for solid journalism and reliable information ?
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seriously, you're arguing FOR dailymail ? talk about living at the bottom of a well.
it's a tabloid like TMZ. how do you not know this ?
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What, in your opinion, are some good sources for solid journalism and reliable information ?
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There are only partial truths, whatever we read, as long as we remember to follow the money, that is as good a read on reality as can be gleaned.
Specific to U|<ra1ne, The indian news cycle is more fair and less colored.
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follow the money
That's why I am hoping that once Putin is down for the count, getting the sanctions lifted will be Priority 1 for the Kleptocrats. They will have to sacrifice a few mansions and yachts, but hey.
There will be some soldiers tried for war crimes, but money laundering, outside of drug smuggling or funding terrorism, has never been a hot button issue.
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The public is increasingly convinced that unless |_|Kra1ne wants to become syr1a or 1raq or afghan1stan, it must concede territories as putin's off ramp.
Even if the US and EU economy is willing to bore the short term costs (also not a certainty), |_|Kra1ne may lose too much population as things escalate.
In the worst case scenario, If it came down to attrition, at the moment it's 100 soldiers dying a day, escalated, that can easily be 500-1000, let's say 750, that's 1.36 million in 5 years. realistically, Ukraine can only sustain something like this for 2-3 years before demoralization kicks in and they have a "worse" negotiated surrender.
IDEALLY of course, there's a massive revolt in Rv55ia, C00p happens. Pudz is removed.
The key thing to remember here is, even if concessions are made, Pudz will be pinched for years to come, so it's not a complete victory, but it's a victory none_the_less.
THAT SAID, heck, we just don't know, maybe Rv55 will run out of army guys first. BIG MAYBE, they don't tell us.
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The public may be convinced but the public is being told what to think by a bunch of morons.
All one has to do is look at Georgia and Crimea.
You cede territory and they just wait and do it again, and again, and again. They literally move the Georgian border every so often in the middle of the night, go to bed in Georgia and wake up and half your farm is now in Russia, next week even your house is in Russia. Not to mention, would you give up part of the US to thwart further invasion? Blah blah, blah cue the California and Florida comments, but what if it was YOUR state the country chose to give up and you're now stuck behind enemy lines? Still think that's a good solution?
Ukraine just needs to announce they found oil, everyone will come running.
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Ukraine just needs to announce they found oil, everyone will come running.
They do have significant reserves of oil and gas, that have been largely unexploited.
A sizeable pocket of oil was found southwest of Kharkiv in 2020.
If Ukraine had developed them, they could have formed a serious competitor to Russian oil and gas. They already have the pipelines to Europe.
Maybe this is the real reason for the war... I dunno. Only Putin would know (if he knows himself).
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Do we really still care about oil though? If anything it feels like we're accelerating away from it.
Not that that's a bad thing, mind.
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you're now stuck behind enemy lines?
And it has been widely reported that Russia has made moving Russian people and technology into occupied territories a top priority so that it will be much harder to win them back when the inevitable referendum is held.
But this is Putin's war, and I doubt that anyone else could/would continue to successfully prosecute it, even if they themselves were hard-line and personally wanted to keep at it.
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OUR OWN, Dangerous public brainwashing...
recent popular article HEADLINE ::Kremlin officials think Ru551a can win U|<ra1ne war by fall, predicting allies will 'get tired of helping,' report says ::
The framing of the article/ responses from the public has been, Pudz got no teeth, they bull****n',
SURE, let's stiff upper lip, be brave america, we're "almost there", That may work to placate the public in the mean time, HOWEVER, we'd be discounting the fact they CAN destroy U|<R, should it come down to ind1scriminate b0mbardm3nt. not even taking into effect their nu(lear arsenal. So, we take this stance with ALOT OF HUBRIS of our own.
This is not a realistic picture of the situation.
Let's say Pudz calls our bluff, he obliterates U|<r, what would we do, as a nu(lear nation he can insure the destruction of the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE with HIS OWN Arsenal via nu(lear winter. This is the nature of the Nu(lear shield as a doomsday tech. The average person does not understands that he doesn't have to shoot those missiles at "Murica", Pudz can literally, drop all his b0mbs on Rv55ia itself, and the nu(lear winter would still envelope the entire northern hem1sphere, and end the human race.
It's been suppressed in the mass media, but many academics believe that we may be pushing U|<r to the brink of destruction by not allowing them to surrender. Because at the MOST FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL, a Nu(lear war CAN NOT be won.
So, by supporting U|<r and expanding nato, what we're essentially doing is sacrificing U|<rians to TEST Rv551a's resolve. This may be considered amoral in it of itself, because we can not guarantee victory in the slightest, neither for U|<r, nor for ourselves (na7o). It's very much a "maybe", that leans on the side of likely failure.
Certainly, we all hope it doesn't come to that, and Rv55ia has a c0op, fingers crossed.
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This may be considered amoral in it of itself, because we can not guarantee victory
Looking at our major post-WW2 expeditionary boondoggles in the world - Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq - the thing that stands out as different about the Ukraine conflict is that the people there genuinely want and need our help with defending their cause. The South Koreans did want help, surely, but that was really a more pure East-West proxy war wherein the Koreans (on both sides) were pawns.
Helping "the good guys" - who are defending the same democratic principles that their allies strive for - is not amoral.
Whether "victory" (what does that even look like?) can be guaranteed is something that is playing out on a much higher level. From the moment that it began, the best course for all concerned would have been (and continues to be) to halt immediately and attempt to start healing.
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Helping "the good guys" - who are defending the same democratic principles that their allies strive for - is not amoral.
Whether "victory" (what does that even look like?) can be guaranteed is something that is playing out on a much higher level. From the moment that it began, the best course for all concerned would have been (and continues to be) to halt immediately and attempt to start healing.
We are making these dangerous assumptions. There aren't clear good/bad guys in this world, only guys who are more or less powerful.
Rv55 is bad because they're not us. It's not completely clear who the good guy is, and typically the winner determines this designation.
So, IF we COULD guarantee victory, only then are we the definitive good guys. Just as we've lost 4 wars in a row, In those regions, we are "NOT" the good guys, the local powers all consider US to be the bad guys and over time, assuming their region recovers, are seeds of dissent. We THINK Japan is our friend, but this couldn't be further from the truth, there is significant anti-american sentiment among their educated classes. Even in the NON_educated yakuza controlled locales, for example the Dolphins, they couldn't give a damn about dolphins, they don't hate dolphins, they actively engage in the killing of them simply out of spite, because "WESTERNERS" care about dolphins. Given the first opportunity, JPN will stab America in the face. The anti-Nu(lear movement has gotten tramendous traction in Jpn, they IN FACT blame America for their existing nu(lear contamination crisis.
This TYPE of incidence is throughout the world, when our banks came under cyber attack by the 1ranian gov as payback for our meddling in their nu(lear program.
The point is, it really doesn't take all that much "violence" to unravel society. And it is with Tremendous HUBRIS, that we are currently making our gambit. Imagine the mess the Rv55 can do against our digital infrastructure.
We keep pushing this, they go all out, cripple our banking system for what 2 weeks, we'd be at Civil War. The Repooplicans start a co0p. Now we're really @ ww3.
And we'd have too short of memory to think something crazy like this can't happen, IT NEARLY happened on Jan 6th.
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predicting allies will 'get tired of helping
Not saying that that's going to happen, but it would be a very strange move. This war is actually extremely positive for NATO, and the more Russian casualties come, the more they profit from this. It'd be very foolish of NATO not to back Ukraine as much as possible as this is a no-risk, relatively cheap and very effective proxy war for them so far.
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this is a no-risk, relatively cheap and very effective proxy war for them so far.
It is neither cheap, nor effective if we LOSE.
There is EXTREME RISK.
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this is a no-risk, relatively cheap and very effective proxy war for them so far.
It is neither cheap, nor effective if we LOSE.
There is EXTREME RISK.
This is the most low-risk and cheapest way to make arguably the biggest enemy of NATO decimate itself, in non-NATO territory to top it all off. I don't see what downsides NATO could possibly see in this. They don't even have to commit to anything (which they're not).
Don't get me wrong, I have opinions of my own about the war, and my heart goes out to everyone in Ukraine. I'm speaking purely from what I think the POV of NATO would be in all this.
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I just read that Putin's contract soldiers' contracts will expire on June 1st.
I doubt that many of them will renew!
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This is the most low-risk and cheapest way to make arguably the biggest enemy of NATO decimate itself, in non-NATO territory to top it all off. I don't see what downsides NATO could possibly see in this. They don't even have to commit to anything (which they're not).
Don't get me wrong, I have opinions of my own about the war, and my heart goes out to everyone in Ukraine. I'm speaking purely from what I think the POV of NATO would be in all this.
It's risky because we can not win a war against a Nuclear Shielded Country. Russia has the capability to destroy U|<r, U|<r DOES NOT have the capability to destroy Rv55ia.
No matter how much na7o likes to publicize, the fact is we can not guarantee victory, so THIS IS A GAMBLE, we're Betting the U|<ra1ne lives that rv551a will back down in a semi_civil manner.
If that does not happen, U|<ra1ne will be oblitera7ed, and na7o will be permanently broken, the periphery countries will see that it's pointless to Join/and/or/Remain na7o allies, because what good is all the world's conventional weapons, when push comes to shove, you come out a LOSER. This has less to do with Politics/ Economics, REAL PEOPLE DIE.
Na7o is good for the military industrial, and it's good for oil / energy industrial, it's pretty much bad for all normal human beings. It's posturing, and capable of bullying non_nu(lear shielded, small nations, it's not capable of actual victory against military of near parities. It's not even very good against those small nations. we lost 4 wars in a row against much weaker militaries.
We're making an insane gamble right now,
I hope we win and land on Rv55ian c0op. If not, U|<r will likely be destroyed.
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I just read that Putin's contract soldiers' contracts will expire on June 1st.
I doubt that many of them will renew!
Hah, that's a good point. But most of the soldiers there are just conscripts anyway - can't they be drafted right back in?
This is the most low-risk and cheapest way to make arguably the biggest enemy of NATO decimate itself, in non-NATO territory to top it all off. I don't see what downsides NATO could possibly see in this. They don't even have to commit to anything (which they're not).
Don't get me wrong, I have opinions of my own about the war, and my heart goes out to everyone in Ukraine. I'm speaking purely from what I think the POV of NATO would be in all this.
It's risky because we can not win a war against a Nuclear Shielded Country. Russia has the capability to destroy U|<r, U|<r DOES NOT have the capability to destroy Rv55ia.
No matter how much na7o likes to publicize, the fact is we can not guarantee victory, so THIS IS A GAMBLE, we're Betting the U|<ra1ne lives that rv551a will back down in a semi_civil manner.
If that does not happen, U|<ra1ne will be oblitera7ed, and na7o will be permanently broken, the periphery countries will see that it's pointless to Join/and/or/Remain na7o allies, because what good is all the world's conventional weapons, when push comes to shove, you come out a LOSER. This has less to do with Politics/ Economics, REAL PEOPLE DIE.
Na7o is good for the military industrial, and it's good for oil / energy industrial, it's pretty much bad for all normal human beings. It's posturing, and capable of bullying non_nu(lear shielded, small nations, it's not capable of actual victory against military of near parities. It's not even very good against those small nations. we lost 4 wars in a row against much weaker militaries.
We're making an insane gamble right now,
I hope we win and land on Rv55ian c0op. If not, U|<r will likely be destroyed.
Wars don't (have to) end in the total obliteration of the losing party's country anymore, and Ukraine is not part of NATO. Every Russian tank destroyed now is one less that can be used against NATO countries. If Putin can't even take Ukraine, what's he going to do against NATO, especially now that they've been preparing on full alert status for months?
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It'd be very foolish of NATO not to back Ukraine as much as possible as this is a no-risk, relatively cheap and very effective proxy war for them so far.
Calling Russia's invasion of Ukraine a "proxy-war for NATO" would be adopting the Russian propaganda machine's narrative. I would avoid that.
Many countries are sending military equipment to aid Ukraine's military. Not because their governments have an agenda, but because people within these democratic countries think it is the right thing to do.
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Wars don't (have to) end in the total obliteration of the losing party's country anymore, and Ukraine is not part of NATO. Every Russian tank destroyed now is one less that can be used against NATO countries. If Putin can't even take Ukraine, what's he going to do against NATO, especially now that they've been preparing on full alert status for months?
There is a large disconnect here, did we totally obliterate germany post ww1, why did we fight ww2 ?
It was the unresolved tension and our demand for reparations and to carve out pieces of Germany.
NOW, what are we doing to Rv551a. we are creating the same conditions. Remember, they "believe" with absolute Certainty, that U|<ra1ne is a part of Rv551a.
THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE from ww2, Rv551a is fully Doomsday Capable. Nu(lear weapons do NOT have to launch / go anywhere, You can blow them up where they are, and STILL END the human race.
That's the worst case.
Milder still, let's say this goes to full out, and U|<r is down to their LAST army guy, what then, what will the other countries see, All these guns/ weapons, Didn't save ANYONE, all the U|<ranians still died. THEN Na7o is finished, they will negotiate an even worse outcome, one where all the U|<ran1ans died "GAMBLING" on the small likelihood that Rv55ia would back down.
Let's say the West Doubles Down at this point, Full Mobilization, Tacticool n00ks everything, It's TRIVIAL to destroy infrastructure with the weapons that exists, Who would (hina/ 1ndia back, Probably not "The West", hypersonic weapons are unblockable. we'll be back in the stone age within months. Within 6months - 2 years our rad1oa(tive stockpiles rupture, and then Fury Road.
To believe that we can win a war against, All of these countries put together is ludicrous.
I want to believe we can get the rv551an c0op, but it's again a small probability.
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I am astonished that Russians in general, and top Russian military in particular, have not deemed Putin to be so bat**** crazy that they needed to move to stop him.
IF he were to order nuclear strikes, would they comply? What will be the last straw when they "just say NO"?
At this point the "value" of Ukraine must be pretty low and if Russia "won" they would be the ones who had to rebuild it all.
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I just read that Putin's contract soldiers' contracts will expire on June 1st.
I doubt that many of them will renew!
Hah, that's a good point. But most of the soldiers there are just conscripts anyway - can't they be drafted right back in?
Contract soldiers (mercenaries) are not the same as conscripts.
Not only can the company decide o take or drop a contract, the individual mercs can do the same to the company.
Also enlisted/conscripts are not drafted back in they are simply not released from service.
Depending on your job and what's going on in the world, you sometimes have to run a gauntlet to get out.
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Wars don't (have to) end in the total obliteration of the losing party's country anymore, and Ukraine is not part of NATO. Every Russian tank destroyed now is one less that can be used against NATO countries. If Putin can't even take Ukraine, what's he going to do against NATO, especially now that they've been preparing on full alert status for months?
There is a large disconnect here, did we totally obliterate germany post ww1, why did we fight ww2 ?
It was the unresolved tension and our demand for reparations and to carve out pieces of Germany.
NOW, what are we doing to Rv551a. we are creating the same conditions. Remember, they "believe" with absolute Certainty, that U|<ra1ne is a part of Rv551a.
THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE from ww2, Rv551a is fully Doomsday Capable. Nu(lear weapons do NOT have to launch / go anywhere, You can blow them up where they are, and STILL END the human race.
That's the worst case.
Milder still, let's say this goes to full out, and U|<r is down to their LAST army guy, what then, what will the other countries see, All these guns/ weapons, Didn't save ANYONE, all the U|<ranians still died. THEN Na7o is finished, they will negotiate an even worse outcome, one where all the U|<ran1ans died "GAMBLING" on the small likelihood that Rv55ia would back down.
Let's say the West Doubles Down at this point, Full Mobilization, Tacticool n00ks everything, It's TRIVIAL to destroy infrastructure with the weapons that exists, Who would (hina/ 1ndia back, Probably not "The West", hypersonic weapons are unblockable. we'll be back in the stone age within months. Within 6months - 2 years our rad1oa(tive stockpiles rupture, and then Fury Road.
To believe that we can win a war against, All of these countries put together is ludicrous.
I want to believe we can get the rv551an c0op, but it's again a small probability.
But NATO isn't officially involved and Ukraine is not a NATO country. The whole point is that on paper, NATO isn't fighting this war. NATO isn't even AT war atm. They deliberately do this to not illicit a response from Russia. As Zelensky has continuously lamented, NATO is more than capable of making a no-fly zone over Ukraine, but they know that if they do that, it's basically official, and they can't have that.
There are also serious considerations about how nuclear-capable Russia actually is, as all the maintenance money for their weapons appears to have been pocketed by corrupt army officials. It may sound weird, but I'll remind you that nuclear weapons LITERALLY have a half-life; you can't just let them lie around and expect them to still work after a while. Plus there's of course the consideration that even if the order is given, it's not necessarily certain it'll be executed. We've seen it once before in history, and the Russian commander in charge didn't fire the missiles at that time either. Plus, it's EXTREMELY risky for Putin (or anyone else) to genuinely make the step to using nuclear weapons. Carpet bombing cities you can usually get away with nowadays, but if you pull that particular trigger you may find that your allies are no longer your allies, and your enemies start punching you a lot harder.
It'd be very foolish of NATO not to back Ukraine as much as possible as this is a no-risk, relatively cheap and very effective proxy war for them so far.
Calling Russia's invasion of Ukraine a "proxy-war for NATO" would be adopting the Russian propaganda machine's narrative. I would avoid that.
Many countries are sending military equipment to aid Ukraine's military. Not because their governments have an agenda, but because people within these democratic countries think it is the right thing to do.
Again I'd like to stress I'm making that point from NATO's perspective, not my own. I wholeheartedly agree with my own country's sending tons of weapons to Ukraine because it's the right thing to do and not because it's good for NATO, I'm not even that big a fan of NATO to begin with. I even understand Sweden and Finland's reservations about joining it completely.
However, let's not forget Russia is the clear aggressor here. There is no propaganda narrative that justifies an unsollicited first strike against a sovereign country. All I'm saying is that by backing the justified party, NATO happens to simultaneously be dealing a blow to its main rival. So they're gaining something out of doing the right thing - a clear win.
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it's EXTREMELY risky for Putin
Putin set out to re-assemble the USSR, but it is painfully clear that is a fail.
But if he really is near the end of his life, and his "legacy" is irrevocably tainted, then what is the risk ?
I can't help but compare it to these cowardly freaks in this country killing a bunch of school kids and then ending themselves. I can't see the allure of "going out in a blaze of glory" but some people obviously do.
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The last 3 months clearly show that Finland doesn't need NATO to protect itself from Russia.
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I am astonished that Russians in general, and top Russian military in particular, have not deemed Putin to be so bat**** crazy that they needed to move to stop him.
Did you move to stop Bush from invading Iraq using a fabricated pretext (https://www.un.org/press/en/2003/sc7777.doc.htm), which caused over 100000 civilian deaths (https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/warlogs/)?
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Did you move to stop Bush
For the past 4 decades the Republican Party has held effective control over the country (via state legislatures in addition to the Senate and its arcane rules) even during the times when Democratic politicians would appear to be, on paper, in "control".
Look at how thoroughly they have thwarted Biden's attempts at implementing programs that the majority of Americans clearly want.
However, it appears that in Russia Putin is in near-complete control single-handedly, and that his war is impacting the Russian people directly, while we Americans were able to mostly ignore the Iraq occupation.
And yes, I consider the Bush/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld/Cheney cabal to be guilty of war crimes. And I recognized the subterfuge at the time.
But, surprisingly, Cheney's daughter is demonstrating that even Republicans, at least some of them, are able to sometimes recognize a line that shouldn't be crossed.
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his war is impacting the Russian people directly, while we Americans were able to mostly ignore the Iraq occupation
You accidentally answered your own question. The difference in outcomes has nothing to do with Putin.
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Americans were able to mostly ignore the Iraq occupation
You accidentally answered your own question.
How so? Are Russians able to ignore the consequences of the sanctions? Or is that only the ones who enjoyed McDonalds?
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Pudz's reg1me must be replaced. For the sake of Climate Change.
As is, their system has no interest in renewables whatsoever, because their singularly profitable industry is fossil fuel export. This is why they're also so heavily aligned with the 'murican g0p which is just a mouthpiece for the 0il l0bby.
Their lack of innovation and outlook due to internal mismanagement and corruption is unique. "murica is a p00pb0x in this respect as well , but at least we've got SOME good people, and the DISCUSSION of renewables is possible, That is NOT true under Pudz's reg1me.
Therefore, we must win or earth is d00med. There isn't an alternative <Time Wise>
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That famous Slavic stubbornness is too much in the way. Putin needs *something* to make it look like a win, and a good seaport is probably enough. I fear that Ukraine has been emboldened to want "it all" back and that could mean that the country eventually gets ground down to sand.
My advice would be to let go of a chunk of coast line and try to get everybody else back to a normal life. Who knows, they may get it all back anyway when Putin inevitably expires and Russia falls into chaos - those folks might well rather go back to the way it was.
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assuming the c00 doesn't happen, and es(alation occurs U|<r will likely still have to give up d0nba5 and cr1m3a.
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Not sure Russia has much left they can escalate with, at least not without compromising home security or Syria.
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Not sure Russia has much left they can escalate with, at least not without compromising home security or Syria.
they can do nvkz
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What would Russia nuke? Their goal is to capture the territory from the east along the Black Sea coast to Transnistria.
A nuke in any other part of Ukraine would cause radioactive fallout over Russia, Belarus and/or one of the occupied territories.
Also, as long as western prime ministers visit Kiev regularly without telling Russia first, nuking Kiev could potentially cause a very sticky situation.
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not so much what, more of "why."
it'd be ultimate proof that the US Hegemony is paper thin. no quantity of conventional weapons can win a nvkl3ar war.
THEREFORE, protraction of our interference is at its core a waste of money and u|<ran1an lives. Then you'd have probably some Repooplicant president get re-elected. and so on...
The existing na7o allies would see, well the alliance is worth fvk all if we can't win, what was the point.
Like I said, we HAVE TO WIN THIS more quickly, and get that c00p going. Otherwise, it's either U|<ra1ne surrenders territory, or nvks.
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Not sure Russia has much left they can escalate with, at least not without compromising home security or Syria.
they can do nvkz
As Findecanor said, nuke what?
Any launch of an ICBM would trigger everyone else's arsenal, it only requires 3(!) to have a massive impact on life on earth. There's something around 10k of them remaining and no one is only firing off one. Contrary to how the game Fallout looks, it's pretty much a death sentence for humans in general. Claiming you don't care is easy when you're not actually faced with it.
They could use battlefield mini nukes but I'm not sure they have any, much less enough to matter. While it would contaminate that area, you could day they don't care about Ukraine, "it's a buffer", it sounds a lot like an invasion looking for an excuse to me so I'm not so sure they want that. They also just got a massive taste of how things would be if they did when their soldiers dug up the red forest. It would also immediately trigger almost all nations to apply to NATO or create their own similar groups and trigger war crimes against Putin and anyone who fires them. Worse, once one is used, Ukraine would likely be equipped with them as well and they've proven far more effective at fighting than Russia so far. Think Putin is scared now, just wait till someone drops a mini nuke by drone.
I'm not sure what the endgame is but you jump way to quickly to nukes.
Again it's one thing to throw the idea around it's another to actually do it, we're still a long ways off from that actually happening (look up measured escalation). No one is threatening Russia directly so there's always options. There's lots of back channel deals that can happen.
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There is a threshold for which n00cl3ar winter is not "soooo bad"
Theoretically, the Pudz can go right up to that limit, and then the ball is in our court, and we pretty much HAVE to negotiate at that point in a weaker position, because the world has more to lose than the 1 country.
This is fundamentally why the most straightforward solution was to just let Pudz have Ukra1ne in the beginning. Then eventually a55a51na71ng him.
Now that the escalation spiral has begun, it's lose lose.
Climate change is fundamentally a more pressing issue, Rv551a is a bigger hurdle in this respect than anything else. This is the PRIMARY reason why we MUST WIN.
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There is a threshold for which n00cl3ar winter is not "soooo bad"
No, no there is not.
Theoretically, the Pudz can go right up to that limit, and then the ball is in our court, and we pretty much HAVE to negotiate at that point in a weaker position, because the world has more to lose than the 1 country.
This is fundamentally why the most straightforward solution was to just let Pudz have Ukra1ne in the beginning. Then eventually a55a51na71ng him.
What happens next week when he invades Finland or Norway, do we let him have some of that? What happens when he decides that's not enough? Sounds a whole lot like WW2 and it cannot be allowed to stand.
Taking out a world leader is actually "illegal" in the rules of war, especially when not directly at war, the thinking being you need the leaders to be around in order to end it.
And while you see it as a way to end things, the devil you know may be better than the devil you don't. If he dies it creates a power vacuum, who fills that vacuum? Last time Russia had one they got Stalin. Even if you think you know who succeeds him, you never know when a power struggle occurs, nor do you know what kind of government they will wind up with.
Also, you keep talking how NATO will fail, as if you think NATO is weak. If it was that weak Putin wouldn't be so fearful of it.
You don't have to give up land to allow him to save face, you use back channels to arrange a deal where you trade something else for it. This was how they handled the Cuban Missile crisis, we traded old (soon to be retired) missiles for withdrawal, Russia claimed a win and we simply retired them early. I don't know what they can offer this time (oil in the Arctic?) or if Putin is even open to the idea yet, but that's a possibility and probably already happening.
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What happens next week when he invades Finland or Norway, do we let him have some of that? What happens when he decides that's not enough? Sounds a whole lot like WW2 and it cannot be allowed to stand.
Taking out a world leader is actually "illegal" in the rules of war, especially when not directly at war, the thinking being you need the leaders to be around in order to end it.
And while you see it as a way to end things, the devil you know may be better than the devil you don't. If he dies it creates a power vacuum, who fills that vacuum? Last time Russia had one they got Stalin. Even if you think you know who succeeds him, you never know when a power struggle occurs, nor do you know what kind of government they will wind up with.
Also, you keep talking how NATO will fail, as if you think NATO is weak. If it was that weak Putin wouldn't be so fearful of it.
You don't have to give up land to allow him to save face,
YES, let him have finland/norway, it doesn't really matter, their terribad mismanagement/corruption will solve itself when those nations become increasingly unprofitable.
Taking out world leaders is NOT illegal, it's more efficient than letting ~10 -100,000 u|<ran1ans die fighting this <under no guarantee of victory>.
The power vacuum is what it is we roll the dice everytime, it's an OK strategy, because we can keep rolling, but <in total> killing fewer people just at the top.
Na7o has already failed. it didn't stop this from happening. we've lost nearly every war (iraq,afghan,syri, etc) since the cold war. We're putting up a brave face at the moment, but if we keep dragging this out, there is a high likelihood it'll be exactly like the others because we face the SAME problem as the Rv551ans, how do you definitively WIN a war, without k1lling everyone.
this modern concept of "war" is it goes on forever, until someone decides it's too big a waste of money.
FOR NOW, Euro has decided, well let's try this, but over time, there is no guarantee they'd want this to continue as it TANKS their e(onomy. that (hi(ken sh17 Macaroni, is already talking about many capitulations.
The bigger danger here is also our political system at home, military spending means less infrastructure/ social spending, This makes democrat presidents extremely unpopular, What if the Repooplicants take the presidency again, they already have supreme court and will likely take senate. Then we're super scrooowed.
Our own gov is no less corrupt/ ineffectual.. our ONLY slight edge is tolerance of <a small degree> of free speech.
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this modern concept of "war" is it goes on forever, until someone decides it's too big a waste of money.
This is the biggest head-scratcher of all.
Stephen Pinker stated succinctly in his euphoric pre-Trump masterpiece (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature)) that "war is simply bad for business". That book caused those of us who read it to feel exhilaration and hope that the planet was dawning into a brighter future. But those hopes were soon to be dashed by the emergence of the "Tea Party" and its hideous deformed offspring, Trumpism.
The exception to the "bad for business" notion is, of course, of the "military-industrial complex" which has surged mightily in the decade since that book was written. As I repeat so often, the Republican Party has come full circle (well, actually half-circle) since Eisenhower, the last great Republican president, warned of the danger that exists not only here but in many countries, many of them decidedly unfriendly to us.
"A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be might, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction .... American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions .... This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience .... Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications .... In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower 1961
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YES, let him have finland/norway, it doesn't really matter, their terribad mismanagement/corruption will solve itself when those nations become increasingly unprofitable.
Wut?
Taking out world leaders is NOT illegal, it's more efficient than letting ~10 -100,000 u|<ran1ans die fighting this <under no guarantee of victory>.
War isn't about efficiency.
Na7o has already failed. it didn't stop this from happening. we've lost nearly every war (iraq,afghan,syri, etc) since the cold war. We're putting up a brave face at the moment, but if we keep dragging this out, there is a high likelihood it'll be exactly like the others because we face the SAME problem as the Rv551ans, how do you definitively WIN a war, without k1lling everyone.
Pretty sure not one of those countries is a NATO nation.
There is a long list of military actions/wars/skirmishes we performed that you missed.
Panama, Libya, Kuwait, Kosovo, Haiti, Bosnia, Lebanon...
That's not even remotely close to a complete list and some of them, "we" won.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_conflicts_involving_the_United_States
Side note, you say we lost Iraq, that's actually false.
We drove them out of Kuwait the first time, second time we also won and deposed the leader however it created the exact vacuum I described which is what we (and Iraq) have been fighting ever since.
Also it's not a modern version of war that goes on forever, history is full of decades and even centuries long wars, lack of war is abnormal, not the other way around. The period after WW2 is one of the most peaceful in the history of man and it was ushered in by the U.N. and NATO. They didn't fail, they did so well that people forgot what it was like prior to them existing.
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There is a long list of military actions/wars/skirmishes we performed that you missed.
Panama, Libya, Kuwait, Kosovo, Haiti, Bosnia, Lebanon...
That's not even remotely close to a complete list and some of them, "we" won.
Side note, you say we lost Iraq, that's actually false.
We drove them out of Kuwait the first time, second time we also won and deposed the leader however it created the exact vacuum I described which is what we (and Iraq) have been fighting ever since.
We're using "won" very liberally here in the sense that , no they didn't get to kill all our guys, and we're very good at killing their guys.
The Net effect from our involvement has primarily been negative for those regions. they are no stabler now than before.
You're right in that it's difficult to assign win/loss labels, and that is precisely the point, These conflicts can't be won in the traditional sense. It just costs infinite money, (which we don't have), and what do we get for our trouble ? FURTHER DELAYS from dealing with the climate crisis.
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The period after WW2 is one of the most peaceful in the history of man and it was ushered in by the U.N. and NATO.
They didn't fail, they did so well that people forgot what it was like prior to them existing.
Pinker argued in his book (HIGHLY recommended!) that it was not an accident, but that the world was finally understanding the benefits of peace.
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The Net effect from our involvement has primarily been negative for those regions. they are no stabler now than before.
And yet you still seem to think taking out Putin is going to turn out well.
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The Net effect from our involvement has primarily been negative for those regions. they are no stabler now than before.
And yet you still seem to think taking out Pudz is going to turn out well.
Tp4 can't know precisely how it'll turn out, but it is likely to be a better pace than the casualties in play right now.
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you still seem to think taking out Putin is going to turn out well.
I think that taking out Putin will turn out well for the human race and the planet Earth.
But it would be a 3-ring ****ing nightmare for the people of Russia.
Even if someone just as bad, or even much worse, stepped in they would not have the power and influence and connections that Putin has and so would be mostly ineffectual. Or at least that's what I hope.
Or unless they unleashed The Bomb.
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Even if someone just as bad, or even much worse, stepped in they would not have the power and influence and connections that Putin has and so would be mostly ineffectual. Or at least that's what I hope.
You hope.
Who do you think would prop this person up and put them in charge... The same people who did it to Putin.
It's not as though those people lost power, just the person.
Same here in the US, we have Mercers, Koch brothers, Rupert Murdock, George Soros... Almost no one gets in without kissing at least one ring along the way.
The difference is we have a very clear, well thought out chain of succession.
People like Putin do not usually appoint actual successors because they fear them trying to make a power grab. When that leader does finally fall it's a power grab and the worst usually rises to the top because they're the ones willing to do whatever it takes. Lenin specifically did not want Stalin to succeed him and yet look what happened. Even here, Trump refused to even let Pence hold the crown for 45 minutes while undergoing a health screening.
What if Putin dies a hero the next guy is a die hard believer in Putin's vision for the future of Russia?
Unless you know all the players and their plans (I don't), you don't really know what you will get.
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LLann, we don't know, but we're reasonably sure it's better than killing ~100,000-200,000 U|<ran1ans.
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It's not as though those people lost power, just the person.
My impression, and I may be wrong, is that when Putin took the reins around the turn of the millennium, he began systematically assembling his support system from the top down (where he was already sitting from the start by virtue of his deal with Yeltsin).
From what I have read, he was not buoyed up from below like Drumph, but rather he created the network of sycophants below him by rewarding them with wealth. And that there was (and is) very little ideology involved except between his own ears.
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This is taking too damn long.. if this keeps up, the economic friction for eu will run in the 10s of years.
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This is taking too damn long.. if this keeps up, the economic friction for eu will run in the 10s of years.
I think Europe is going to work towards not needing Russia for imports/exports regardless of how quickly this war is going to end tbh.
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Germany was on course, pretty much no one else, because they didn't have the money for it, or in the case of uk, the fossil lobby is too strong.
the concept of pulling the plug on R fossil is happening, but this is a really slow process, and it's made slower by NOT getting the fuel to transition.
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how quickly this war is going to end
Putin made a mistake by starting this in late-winter rather than mid-autumn.
He did have the advantage (?) of frozen ground for the first few weeks but that soon turned against him.
By the time it gets cold again the people will have had considerable time to get ready for it.
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Obviously he is, and yet he's still in power
/r/agedlikemilk
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Zapor12hzh1a again !! if one of those pop, it's roughly a 2 Trillion dollar cleanup, with e(onomic friction, possibly 4-5 trillion
sigh............... Fffffffffff.... we have to do this quickly either win the damn thing or get out, if this keeps going, na7o will collapse under the e(onomic pre55ure.
It's quite clear from the beginning, that the nv(lear noose around the necks of EVERY COUNTRY, made general warfare unwinnable, yet these asshats at the top, ON BOTH SIDES of this, want to try.
Ridi(ulous.. As civilians, we're royally screwed. and this mi(r05oft guy wants to put little modular poison pills all over the Vn1ted states, in people's back yards, freakn' fffffff
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Zapor12hzh1a again !! if one of those pop, it's roughly a 2 Trillion dollar cleanup, with e(onomic friction, possibly 4-5 trillion
Honestly the economic damage isn't the thing I'm worried about most. But yeah, just leave the ****ing nuclear power plants alone ffs!
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Zapor12hzh1a again !! if one of those pop, it's roughly a 2 Trillion dollar cleanup, with e(onomic friction, possibly 4-5 trillion
Honestly the economic damage isn't the thing I'm worried about most. But yeah, just leave the ****ing nuclear power plants alone ffs!
We quantify using $ amount in communicating between humans.
That 2 Trillion ultimately represents LABOR, an expense of human lives. and this is just to fix a DAMN HOLE IN THE GROUND. which we could avoid in the first place by turning the damn things off.
Nv(lear is neither an offensive nor a defensive weapon, it is a suicide pill. WE HAVE enough of those.
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This is gettin' really bad, the longer they hold a place like that hostage, the risk for industrial accident increases exponentially.
Zapor12hzh1a, is way way way worse than (hern0byl / Fvkv5hima..
If this goes full on, the Evr0peen e(onomy will regress for 10-20yrs.
Imagine 20 yrs of every European person, poured into a hole in the ground, and out comes NOTHING. (although realistically, sky rocketing (an(er rates, + rare rad1olgi(al diseases + depression + immuno_compromise).
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It seems exactly like the right-wing terrorism in this country - mindless random destruction of ordinary people.
What are they hoping to accomplish ?
How does this advance their cause - whatever that is ? How can we even know ?
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It seems exactly like the right-wing terrorism in this country - mindless random destruction of ordinary people.
What are they hoping to accomplish ?
How does this advance their cause - whatever that is ? How can we even know ?
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They want to stop na7o expansion. Putting mi551les in Vkra1ne is the same as Rv5sia putting mi551les in Mexico.
The act of holding the "West" nu(lear hostage PROVES that modern warfare is unwinnable, with NEVER ENDING COST.
THIS IS EFFECTIVE (for them), because now we're stuck. We've invested our _Prestige_ to dominate Rv551a, HOWEVER, with every passing day it's becoming increasingly clear that we don't actually have that ability. Again, Infinite money sinkhole. How long before EU says, Enuff, we don't want ne more rocket launchers, and just cut a deal with Rv55ia.
Rv5 invaded Vkra1ne, but it's our own Muri(a Imperialism that pushed them into it.
Fffffff.. we need some sort of miracle c00p now. pudz has a heart atta(k, and everyone just shake hands.
This is afghn15tan all over again, only it costs ~50x more money, annnnnd Climate collapse incoming.
This is the problem with Oligar(hies, which ALL GOVERNMENTS are. The rich assh0les have a tiff, and when it comes time to actually do the fighting, they'd be like, Hai p00r people, go die for this.
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This could almost pass for a comedy routine if it wasn't probably quite real :
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-state-media-airs-insane-offer-to-help-america-and-save-donald-trump (https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-state-media-airs-insane-offer-to-help-america-and-save-donald-trump)
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sigh.... at the grocery store today, stared longingly @ THE GARLIC which Tp4 can no longer afford to eat. Only haz'nuff minerals for the bulk bag of onions.
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This could almost pass for a comedy routine if it wasn't probably quite real :
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-state-media-airs-insane-offer-to-help-america-and-save-donald-trump (https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-state-media-airs-insane-offer-to-help-america-and-save-donald-trump)
That article gave me a good chuckle in several places xD .
Maybe they would've been able to convince a few people before 2022, but I think by now surely they must've lost what little credibility they had left. It's an amusing attempt - and hopefully a good moment of reflection for everyone on our side.
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Je5us (hr1st,
we are sooooo ffffffffff...d
https://www-bbc-com.translate.goog/ukrainian/features-62532425?xtor=AL-73-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bukr%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bukrainian%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&fbclid=IwAR30fOZboHz7I_Y3GBGGf2aeyVTsVKCOmWTsoGDssW_HoXKZzS4UGqe9z8w&_x_tr_sl=uk&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=uk&_x_tr_pto=wapp
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For quite a while I have been reading these things like this:
"then either Russia can switch the ZNPP to its own power system"
and it sounds like "switching" utilities like electricity, phones, internet, etc, to Russia's own system is a simple process. Wireless maybe - gain control of towers and start sending out you own signal - but there is a lot (A LOT) of hard infrastructure involved in carrying large amounts of electricity over large distances.
Clearly, this is a top Russian priority, but physically building major infrastructure in a war zone is hardly trivial. Yet it is said as if it is a minor process.
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This is a straight forward hostage situation.
Stations need power, even if it is turned off. It needs power for its fue1 pool, and to c00l the core. without power, even turned off, it could still explode/ melt down.
So by slaving the Zap station to "Rv55ian" electrical grid, they both guarantee a forward base at the site itself, AND deter any further attacks on their Infrastructure which now has to support the Site in the event of failure, WHICH now has EXTREMELY high probability.
Nv(lear power is inherently a dead end te(h, it was designed to be neither economical nor sustainable.
The only reason for its existence is to justify the weapons industry, and to camouflage an infinite Tax influx for those corporations.
Nv(lear power generates NET NEGATIVE amount of energy, ontop of being a NET LOSS economically and perpetuating dangerous waste which represent an existential treat to humanity..
You can see why Rv55ia is super into it. This suicide pill essentially holds THE WORLD hostage.
Let's say, 'Murica Str0ng, na7o goes all out on Rvs, OK, so we blow all their rails and their infrastructure,
BUHHHhhh oh wait,, they have giant stockpiles of Nv(lear waste too, Who's gonna take care of it ?
So, we blow up all their infrastructure, and now they're supr p00r, great, Now WE have to go in and rebuild the Infrastructure we JUST BLEW UP.. and fix their p0wr plants (assuming it didn't mel7down), and pay yet m0ar monies for the privilege of managing the1r nv(lear waste. The reality is, if we did seriously atk, then their stations would me1td0wn because stations only have ~1-2 weeks of diesel onsite.
This is the primary reason why EVERY country is in a Rush to enter Nv(lear, because it's a SUICIDE DEVICE, that can POISON EVERYONE. Each p0wr station in the event of failure will release 1000x-100000x the rad1a7ion into the atmosphere + surrounding, compared to (hiro5h1ma/nagas4k1.)
The premise is Full_Retard, because we all live on the SAME planet, as if collective suicide solves anything.
MEANWHILE, no one wants to tackle climate change... too busy doing Sui(ide tech.
The dvmbes7 **** is going down in France right now, climate change is making it TOO HOT to keep nv(lear stations turned on, because the water is either GONE (draught), or TOO WARM to be used to cool the rea(tors. There is absolutely NO resiliency in the Future for Nv(lear p0wr stations. They already have too much down time TODAY as it is, fran(e's largest nv(lear provider Areva went bankrupt (years back), and was only saved by YET MORE PUBLIC FUNDING, transferring the entire operation to state owned.
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slaving the Zap station to "Rv55ian" electrical grid
As if this could be done overnight.
Realistically, what is the time frame for a solid hardware attachment to some (any) foreign source? Could it happen quickly enough, since the threat seems imminent?
Doesn't seem like it.
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slaving the Zap station to "Rv55ian" electrical grid
As if this could be done overnight.
Realistically, what is the time frame for a solid hardware attachment to some (any) foreign source? Could it happen quickly enough, since the threat seems imminent?
Doesn't seem like it.
The time frame doesn't matter, this whole situation is stupid. It could've been avoided if ameri(a simply accept the fact that we're NO LONGER the world poli(e, with neither the capability nor the politi(al will,
but unfortunately, we've got too much pride for that, so here we are.
Europe and Asia are and (some academics argue) Beyond the industrial capacity of America already.
Amer1(an Military Superiority, what does that even mean ? when ANY covntry with a nv(lear stockpile can sui(ide the WHOLE planet ON THEIR OWN.. with no influence from any other nation.
Look, India, they said they wanted Nv(lear energy, well they lied, they developed Nv(lear weapons in the basement with a box of scraps. Huzzah...
INDIA , ALONE, can detonate their sto(kpile, and we'd all die, So, our collective Na7o military, super expensive carriers, etc, etc, We can't even defeat India with all this hardware. INDIA
In our foreign poli(y, you'll find hit_lyrics suchs as, Contain (h1na, Repel Ru55ia, etc. Please demonstrate, how we could even Bully India...
Right now we're trying our damned best, and I hope we succeed in Bullying Rv55ia into, Some (currently indeterminate) outcome.
Thus far, it's essentially forcing them to exer(ise their industrial capacity, so instead of just letting their oligar(hs BE lazy, squander money, do cocaine, and send their kids to Harvard to be lazy and do cocaine, NOW we're pushing them to increase production of ALL material. Remember, they have their own massive natural gas wells and OIL. You let them do this for 20 years, they'll be (hina 2.0, while (h1na is on (hina 5.0 , now even m0ar ja(ked because of (heap Rv551an Oil.
ALL THE WHILE, the world BURNS DOWN from climate change.
The media perpetuates the Rv551an paper military, mm.. yea, conventional militaries are ALL paper. If the REAL Fighting happened, it's all just a hole in the ground.
We've got to pray for the Pu7n' heart attack and /or c00p, because infinite money sink hole is here. I guess we're hoping they 'll want pizza hut and mcdonalds bad enuff to work this out eventually, or c00p, idk, /got prayers.
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We can't even defeat India
Thank you for answering my question.
And I understand that India will be surpassing China in population in the very near future.
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We can't even defeat India
Thank you for answering my question.
And I understand that India will be surpassing China in population in the very near future.
At the moment, it's like threatening to filibuster. in MOST cases, this is enough, such that they don't even have to actually connect the Zap.
In the long run, they might, but it depends. A connection in terms of Supplies (diesel) and backup generation can be accomplished readily, But in terms of cables, This takes 6 month to a year if they're Actually doing it, if they're just Fake doing it, and "threatening filibuster" it's anyone's guess.
Tp4 would guess, they're probably fake doing it. WHICH is more dangerous for EVERYONE.
In the event Zap goes into disaster, it will bankrupt Europe, they can still <pad the numbers> such that on paper everyone's solvent, but IN REALITY, it's most likely negative productivity for a decade.
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I'm honestly not so sure that either China or India is going to be the biggest problem around. Guess Russia proved that it's not - quite effectively - as well.
I reckon we have a lot more to fear from religion than from any one country. Although I guess this has always been true throughout the entirety of human history.
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Growing up in the 1950s-1960s, even as a very religious little boy (due to the influence of my grandparents), I always had the distinct impression that traditional religion was fading in the rear-view mirror.
No one was more shocked than me when it started roaring back, with a vengeance, in the late 1970s.
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To uneducated people, religion actually sounds ok,
WITH education, religion (conventional) is just stupid.
Now, Star Trek, THIS is the kind of religion a modern person Could follow, and it'd be pretty benign.
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Vkra1n1an Grain.
The reality is 70-80% of ALL GRAIN produced world wide is used as animal feed in Animal Agriculture.
Converted, these livestock animals then represent ~15% of "total" calories eaten by Humanity.
Yes, there's a grain reduction, with the Vkra1n \/\/ar friction, but The primary reason why ANYONE would starve as a result, is Animal_Agriculture.
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There is a place for comedy, but the premise must be examined in more detail.
They live in a sustainable environment where enough food can be grown.
The local powers (corrupted by western influence) are not growing food, instead they are growing feed "for cattle", they are growing coffee and chocolate for Export.
The vanity desires of wealthier nations both in terms of raw_product AND excess energy consumption driving climate change DIRECTLY impact the livelihoods of These impoverished nations.
OUR vanity, drives their hunger, AND expands the Desert (near) where they live.
Animal agriculture is again the key culprit
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Prolly false flag, or faked own death, shipped to 'murica or newzealand or sumtin'
Hopefully this means c00p is coming ?
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Tense situation in Zap, p0wr plant.
Worst case, it pops, normally someone has to come up with ~500 billion to 2 trillion $ for cleanup.
Given the size of the site, in a war torn nation, with busted Infrastructure /manufacturing, if we had to TRUCK IN supplies/ liquidator workforce.. 10 Trillion $
This is very very bad, because what do you get for all that money, Still a hole in the ground, and skyrocketing CANCER rates throughout Europe w00t w00t.
The best option since the very beginning was for Vkra1ne to surrender.
We're working on smoke and prayers now, Again, America has invested too much of its PRESTIGE in this. If we don't win , it's going to make us look foolish... < some argue it's already too late>
God I hope Pudd'in has a heart attack and dies.... drag this on, it's unwinnable.
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The best option since the very beginning was for Vkra1ne to surrender.
I thought that the best option was for none of it to have ever happened.
Yes, Putin can bring down untold damage on the planet, but what is the upside? To go down in history as almost as famous as Hitler?
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The best option since the very beginning was for Vkra1ne to surrender.
Best option for who?
I suspect Ukraine would beg to differ and so would you if it was your country being invaded.
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The best option since the very beginning was for Vkra1ne to surrender.
Best option for who?
I suspect Ukraine would beg to differ and so would you if it was your country being invaded.
US has been expanding nato, that really just means the cold war never stopped.
The primary reason for this is we never dismantled our military industrial post ww2, it is still our largest core industry. This has the effect of making a military solution the PRIMARY solution to all foreign affairs. HENCE our ENDLESS WARS.
The United States attempting to expand bases/missiles/alliances in Vkra1n is the same as if Rv55ia put bases in Mexico. Regardless of culture, regardless if Mexico AGREED to host the bases, that is an offensive move. The act could NEVER go down peaceful, Rv551a is making the ONLY logical response they could make to OUR continued meddling in Vkra1n.
Reverse the roles and look at that situation. Would USA tolerate Rv55ia bases in Mexico, EVEN IF Mexico AGREED to host them... ??
If Vkra1ne remained NEUTRAL, none of this would've happened.
The concept of Nationhood excludes the welfare of its people. Nationhood only respects the welfare of the Oligarchs.
From the perspective of the Farmers/ Proletariat class of Vkra1ne, what difference would it have made if they were annexed by Rv551a. nothing's changed, they're still farmers.
But, the world isn't decided on by farmers, it's decided on by local Oligarchs. TO WHOM does the Capitalist Funnel Go Up To ? This is why wars are fought.
Farmers are no more or less free regardless of who rules, But NOW, in this very specific case, Many Many farmers are DEAD.
United States did no one any favors. Our broken foreign policy is what created this mess. Vkra1n's population is now paying that price for OUR lack of diplomacy.
PART 2 for us is extremely dangerous. Now we're on the spot, IF WE FAIL to save Vkra1ne. we're screwed. Na7o proven worthless, who's gonna buy our weapons after this.
This is very very hard to win, because of the Nv(lear sites laden all over Vkra1ne , Pop 1, and it's scorched, $10 Trillion please, thanks Money printer, oh what, you want education, no no , we're putting all our money in this rad1oa(tive hole. it's a great hole.
By all means let's keep adding to the list of Wars we DIDN'T Win.. vietnam, iraq, afghanistan, and these were against much weaker opponents who can barely shoot back.
I hope everyone is lighting those prayer candles for Puddin' heart attack + c00p, that's our only out in the long term.
DYING for SOVEREIGNTY is DYING FOR THE KING. It's not stupid for the KING, he tells everyone to die for him, to him it's completely logical.
PEOPLE, are easily brainwashed to commit to something against their interests. The Rv55ian PEOPLE are as brainwashed as the 'Murican PEOPLE are as brainwashed as the Vkra1n1an PEOPLE.
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TP turning into a Russian bot.
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TP turning into a Russian bot.
Tp4 is team America 1000%..
But these are facts, we're NOT the good guys here. Neither is the Rv551an regime..
It's 2 bad guys (Oligarchs) fighting each other, getting Civilians Killed.
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But these are facts,
The whole Earth is a mess, nothing and nobody is perfect, but it is imperative to always support the lesser of 2 evils, or the greater of the 2 is likely to prevail.
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But these are facts,
The whole Earth is a mess, nothing and nobody is perfect, but it is imperative to always support the lesser of 2 evils, or the greater of the 2 is likely to prevail.
Exactly, Tp4 fully supports Team America to win this.
HOWEVER, Tp4 is not deluded by MSM, Our government's actions in Vkra1ne clearly provoked this war.
Vkra1nians are dying for our mistake. (and/or) our Oligarchy's concept of American Hegemony, Regardless from whose perspective you look at it, those dead Vkra1nians would all be alive if Vkra1ne stayed Neutral. (this WAS an option) , option 2, let Pudd'n have Vkra1ne, again alive.
Pudd'in's a bad guy, their Gov is as corrupt and broken as our own.. but their response is clearly logical, and as a direct result of our meddling.
It's at this point difficult and morally dubious to continue to let more Vkra1nes die, Because there is no clear military victory possible. Modern wars are unwinnable.
We've spun up the same mechanism how many times now and failed every single time.
Here's our strat, Escalation, Full mobilization, Our weapons/soldiers outclass the Rv551ans, OK COOL, He goes Nvks, What do we do ? Do we Respond with our own Nvks ? Rv5 nvks Los Angeles, We nvk Mos(0w, 50-80% chance of nv(lear winter ? How's that going to work,
10-30 million people now has to die, just so we realize that we should be talking this out in the first place ?
HOW do we WIN ?? If we can't win, what was the point of the escalation.
Rv55 is essentially calling our Bluff. Ever since Nv(lear 1(BMs the whole concept of a ground battle between 2 nv(lear nations is pointless.
So, now, we're fighting with prayer, Miracle 1, Pudd'in has a heart attack, Miracle 2, Rv5 Co0p, Miracle 3, Resultant Gov isn't Pudd'n like, and is friendlier.
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HOWEVER, Tp4 is not deluded by MSM, Our government's actions in Vkra1ne clearly provoked this war.
It's not like Ukraine woke up one morning and decided NATO and E.U. membership was a good idea, this was a long time coming and it never would have happened had Russia not been playing around in their back yard at least as much as we were. Our actions may have poked the bear but the bear was already in the camp rummaging through the tents.
It's not like this is the first time this has happened with them or anyone else, threat of nukes included, proxy wars have been going on since the dawn of time. No one has to win, everyone just needs a "win". Read up on the Cuban Missile Crisis and how it was solved. We aren't even remotely close to that level of risk.
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You just can't make this **** up.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/lukoil-chairman-ravil-maganov-is-the-8th-russian-energy-executive-to-die-suddenly-this-year.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/lukoil-chairman-ravil-maganov-is-the-8th-russian-energy-executive-to-die-suddenly-this-year.html)
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That's pretty normal for this type of thing.
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You just can't make this **** up.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/lukoil-chairman-ravil-maganov-is-the-8th-russian-energy-executive-to-die-suddenly-this-year.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/01/lukoil-chairman-ravil-maganov-is-the-8th-russian-energy-executive-to-die-suddenly-this-year.html)
Yeah, quite a few of these people who have been putting bounties on Putin's head have died suddenly. Thankfully this isn't at all suspicious.
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Thankfully this isn't at all suspicious.
Yes, people fall out the windows of hospitals all the time.
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Thankfully this isn't at all suspicious.
Yes, people fall out the windows of hospitals all the time.
well, it's not suspicious, because the message is clear
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Don’t even know what is more ridiculous, geekhackers mourning deaths of Putin linked oligarchs or geekhackers thinking that Putin linked oligarchs put bounty on Putin’s head.
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Don’t even know what is more ridiculous, geekhackers mourning deaths of Putin linked oligarchs or geekhackers thinking that Putin linked oligarchs put bounty on Putin’s head.
So these deaths are actually the people revolting against Putin by killing his friends? I'd not rule it out within the country but sounds unlikely you'd find someone willing to take that risk when they're abroad.
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geekhackers mourning deaths of Putin linked oligarchs or geekhackers thinking that Putin linked oligarchs put bounty on Putin’s head.
So these deaths are actually the people revolting against Putin by killing his friends?
Don't be confused by pretzel logic.
The simple fact is that Putin retaliates against his enemies, and that group includes his former "friends" ....
My opinion is that Putin, like Trump, has probably never had any actual friends, only people who rotate in and out of his orbit for convenience and profit.
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My opinion is that Pu7'n, like Drvmp, has probably never had any actual friends, only people who rotate in and out of his orbit for convenience and profit.
Friends is a word we made up. the bar for "actual friends" swings arbitrarily in this context for you to frame someone as an outcast.
It is not an accurate barometer for foreign politics.
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Friends is a word we made up. the bar for "actual friends" swings arbitrarily
In my world, friendship is a spectrum, true, but my closest friends are as close to me as my family and I treasure those relationships.
And while "layers" of friends and family expand outward with decreasing connectedness, still their relationships with me are emotional and intellectual, and irrespective of power or money.
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irrespective of power or money.
not true, it always comes down to How Much, There is a PRICE, it may not be in dollars or whatever arbitrary currency deemed "unworthy"
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I feel sorry for people who do not understand love.
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Z-nuke has lost its last connection to outside power.
Why is it that they don't have a direct primary tap for their own critical needs ?
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They're testing Europe's resolve to continue as vassal states to our American Hegemony.
These plants have 1-2 weeks of back up diesel on site. After which, it melts.
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Next up: geekhackers mourning Tesak's death as a 'prisoner of conscience'.
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Decide for yourself.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russias-weapons-ammunition-north-korea-iran-signals-putin-desperation-ukraine-2022-9 (https://www.businessinsider.com/russias-weapons-ammunition-north-korea-iran-signals-putin-desperation-ukraine-2022-9)
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Yeah, quite a few of these people who have been putting bounties on Putin's head have died suddenly.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-aviation-scientist-anatoly-gerashchenko-falls-to-his-death-in-latest-plunge-mystery?ref=scroll (https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-aviation-scientist-anatoly-gerashchenko-falls-to-his-death-in-latest-plunge-mystery?ref=scroll)
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Have watched a few retired US generals reporting on this issue of late and I must say, they have very interesting insights into the matter. Perhaps it's just because they're assertive, but you do get the feeling they know what they're talking about. Thankfully their views aren't as apocalyptic as that of a lot of people I'm hearing over here.
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I suppose you've heard about the underwater bombings of the Russian gas pipelines Nord Stream 1 and 2 in the Baltic Sea. They are not near Ukraine, but makes situation more tense for the countries close to the rupture sites: Sweden, Denmark, Germany and Poland.
The first pipeline should never have been approved in the first place, but people in charge had been so damned naïve back in the early-mid '00s, believing that "this will ensure a peaceful Russia" instead of listening to reason from every security agency telling them not to go ahead with it.
Then Russia invaded Georgia in '08. And the pipeline and then the second one still got the green light.
When they stop leaking (estimated on Sunday), they will have spewed as much greenhouse gases into the atmosphere as a country like Sweden usually does in a whole year. And they have poisoned the spawning ground for Baltic cod, making it an endangered species.
"Experts" say that it can not be proven that it have been Russia. But of course it was.
And right now as I'm typing this, Putler is also getting ready for his televised ceremony to get an excuse to use conscripts and tactical nukes in Ukraine.
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Have watched a few retired US generals reporting on this issue of late and I must say, they have very interesting insights into the matter. Perhaps it's just because they're assertive, but you do get the feeling they know what they're talking about. Thankfully their views aren't as apocalyptic as that of a lot of people I'm hearing over here.
link some, what did they say.
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Have watched a few retired US generals reporting on this issue of late and I must say, they have very interesting insights into the matter. Perhaps it's just because they're assertive, but you do get the feeling they know what they're talking about. Thankfully their views aren't as apocalyptic as that of a lot of people I'm hearing over here.
link some, what did they say.
CNN has quite a few of these.
I haven't watched them all, and of course US media is almost proverbially skewed, but it's still interesting to hear these perspectives.
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"Experts" say that it can not be proven that it have been Russia. But of course it was.
Post truth world s01e02, “Russia blows up its own pipeline”.
Though I must say that s01e01, “Russia is shelling ZNPP” was a bit more funny!
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Going to put sarcasm aside for a second. I have inside information that places in southwestern Russia are bulk buying iodine and preparing the bomb shelters. I have no idea whether that’s already leaked to the press.
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places in southwestern Russia are bulk buying iodine and preparing the bomb shelters.
I do not doubt you, although I desperately hope that you are wrong.
As I have asked many times - what end game scenario is a positive result for any of the players ?
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So... for anyone considering buying iodine. This ONLY protects your thyroid, Post calamity. it does not protect you from rad1a71on damage of any other type. it's a very narrow use consumptive, with bad side effects, do not take until you're very sure the nvk is coming.
it does this by binding inside your thyroid, such that the rad1onu(leids do not. it's not super effective, you will still have significantly elevated (an(er risk for the rest of your life if you're are in the area. even if you escape, alot of the effect is permanent and will show up 10-20 years down the line. you will have very high probability of developing lung/ stomach/ intestinal/ lymphatic cancers with or without the iodine.
as for Rv5's strategic use, mmm... tac(tikewl nvks are not in themselves decisive weapons. but what it does is, it PROVES resolve.
Rv5 is 150 million people. it is stupidity to believe any existing military can outright "win" a conflict of ANY TYPE against 150mil people.
Our Primary BET was that Pu71n would be deposed by a c00p. the futher this drags on the less likely it is to occur. there is also no guarantee that the NEXT guy would be better.
But we're already here, so what's the plan.
The fact is, they probably don't have one. why not, because THEY KNOW, conventional w4rfare is unwinnable. So the battle at "this point in time" is mostly ideological, even if it does have exorbitant real human costs.
An all out Nvk fight with the BIG nvks is not probable because it's suicide regardless of who carries it out. we're at least lucky that people who control the weapons know that.
The reality is, we're waiting on a miracle now that we've commited 'murica's prestige into this. the likelihood of failure is extremely high.
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there is also no guarantee that the NEXT guy would be better.
Even if his beliefs and aspirations were identical, he would have a mere fraction of the power, and certainly not the network of minions that Putin has cultivated over the decades - so presumably he would be far less effective.
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My guess is that a nuclear reactor "accident" is far more likely than deployment of weaponry, between sabotage (by either side) (and blamed on the other side, of course), incompetence, negligence, abandonment, shortage of parts or materials (or knowledge) for countless reasons, there are endless possibilities for catastrophic failures.
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My guess is that a nuclear reactor "accident"
So when we talk about nv(lr power stations, (hernobyl released the equivalent nvk parti(le pollution equivalent to all the 500 N-b0mb tests put together. Similarly fvkv5h1ma continues to release and worse, it's in direct contact with ground water, and pipping into the ocean. <do not eat pacific sea food> or better yet, don't eat sea food.
p0wr stations house a tramendous amount of waste on site, so that is why when things go wrong, it is itself a doomsday device. we've had hundreds of close calls every year, and though the news does not report, downwinder communities are continuously fighting for recognition. Unfortunately for them, and you might be one of them, 60-70% of US Department of Energy budget is spent on Nv(lear, it covers both the power station and weapons, they are actually 1 single industry inseparable. that money translates to very little actual electricity.
this is the slump in the system, we never dismantled the war time industries post ww2, and so they're basically still ruining the world today. if guns is how you make money, well everything is a target.
Nv(klear war is not survivable. Those nvk power stations need almost indefinite upkeep just to manage the waste, cooling has to be provided for 5-10 years even post shut down, then storage needs new containers and concrete every once in a while. it's a toxic legacy that will be with us for 10s of thousands of years.
In the event of b1g b0mbs, a crippled infrastructure would result in multiple melt-downs of these stations throughout 'murica. nv(lear fuel is essentially always on fire, you can not put it out with water. given how poorly regulated / ran these industries are at the moment, some have nothing but corrugated metal sheets covering their cooling pools, they're basically impossible to protect from attack.
That is to say, push comes to shove, Rv5 can easily destroy 'Murica and the rest of the world, it's sui(ide but the point is, there IS NO MILITARY SOLUTION to this. we CAN NOT WIN.
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"Experts" say that it can not be proven that it have been Russia. But of course it was.
Post truth world s01e02, “Russia blows up its own pipeline”.
The thing is that it looked like the Russian military wanted to send a message. The indicators are 1) the timing, 2) the location of where three of the ruptures are clustered.
Also, the pipelines were already shut off (not flowing, but full) and the culprit obviously does not care about climate change to conduct the largest single methane release in history.
The location is as close as the pipelines had been laid to Sweden's largest naval base in Karlskrona.
They are several thousand kilometers long, and there are plenty of sites farther from the shore where the bombers could have done the deed with much less risk of drawing attention to themselves.
Instead, a few days before the bombings, a Swedish naval ship went out from Karlskrona to follow a vessel that had been acting mysteriously. The navy probably knows the nationality of that vessel.
On the other hand, a reason why it wouldn't have been Russia would be that Germany has provided Ukraine with only light military equipment so far, for fear that Russia would shut off the pipeline for good if they had donated anything more significant. With the pipeline gone, that limitation would go away. Ukraine has expressively asked for German-made tanks.
As I write this, the pipelines some pipelines have stopped leaking and at least the Swedish navy has divers looking for evidence on the sea floor. Other countries have expressed interest, and might have divers too.
Edit: Nordstream 2 is not empty. It is actually flowing more now than before.
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With the pipeline gone, that limitation would go away.
It seems to me that many limitations have been taken off the table, aka "**** got real" ....
Creating chaos is a popular technique for destabilizing conventions and allowing openings under cover of the smoke screen.
Rarely is that a good thing.
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https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/usa-russia-ukraine/2022/10/20/id/1092791/?ns_mail_uid=753fe9a6-cfaf-41bb-bc96-51d0d2ab29ae&ns_mail_job=DM390726_10212022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0101027fpqx9 (https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/usa-russia-ukraine/2022/10/20/id/1092791/?ns_mail_uid=753fe9a6-cfaf-41bb-bc96-51d0d2ab29ae&ns_mail_job=DM390726_10212022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0101027fpqx9)
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https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/usa-russia-ukraine/2022/10/20/id/1092791/?ns_mail_uid=753fe9a6-cfaf-41bb-bc96-51d0d2ab29ae&ns_mail_job=DM390726_10212022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0101027fpqx9 (https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/usa-russia-ukraine/2022/10/20/id/1092791/?ns_mail_uid=753fe9a6-cfaf-41bb-bc96-51d0d2ab29ae&ns_mail_job=DM390726_10212022&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0101027fpqx9)
What's your personal take on this?
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What's your personal take on this?
Naturally, I applaud freedom-lovers worldwide doing what they can to help the Ukrainians, but the ironic humor in all the metaphors that can be applied to Hamill/Luke Skywalker's actions is what makes it noteworthy.
Rag-tag army against the evil Empire, Drones/Clones, stealth and strategy overcoming brute force, the parallels are delightful.
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i am currently hitting the griddy for ukraine
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"Lamentable" would be an understatement.
https://tass.com/society/1534113 (https://tass.com/society/1534113)
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"Lamentable" would be an understatement.
https://tass.com/society/1534113 (https://tass.com/society/1534113)
Many other countries have mandatory military service like korea.
In america we make sure people are so poor, they have to join the military, as if going to iraq was "an up / out" a form of social mobility.
We should lament ALL oligarchs who would send citizens to war for no good reason. Including OUR OWN.
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I'm afraid that Putin is going to nuke some place within their claimed territory that they have pulled out people and military from, in some kind of pathetic "if we can't have it, then neither can you" stance against Ukraine.
Why else blame Ukraine for it in advance?
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Unless the co0p happens to remove pu7n', there's alot of escalation left, military spending is basically infinitely deep and you get nothing in the end but a couple of holes in the ground.
It made sense when we had the only good weapons, we can unilaterally decide to enslave europe or vKra1ne making them vassal states.
But if everyone has the same ultimate capacity for explosions, well, now weapons are fundamentally worthless, and no one is going to listen to you regardless.
If this drags out, U|<ra1n is fast running out of army guys, it will look like an even bigger blunder than 1raq.
Fran(e and G3rma^y will pull support, it will be so embarrassing for us, that something crazy might happen like countries ditching the dollar as reserve.
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I have the feeling that both sides are getting * VERY WEARY *
To me, it seems like Russia will probably get to keep Crimea as its consolation prize, since they will have to get "something" ....
The elephant in the room of "Who will pay for the damages?" will have both sides claiming with certainty (correctly?) that they can't afford the truly astronomical price.
All the wealth that Putin and his cronies have been ferrying to diverse stockpiles around the world for the past couple of decades would hardly make a dent in the repair job.
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mi55i1es a((idental1y p01and.
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It's almost like troops given only one week of training tend to be terrible at war... Who knew.
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troops given only one week of training
From what I have read that is just the beginning - these days they are mostly over-age losers (alcoholics, etc) and they don't even get decent clothes (much less uniforms) or functioning weapons and ammunition. And they also don't get radios or cell phones to get orders or keep up with what is happening around them.
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Propaganda goes both ways
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Propaganda goes both ways
Yes, as much as people in the West wanted it to be an aggressive action by Russia, it appears that it really was an accident. And maybe the result of Ukrainian carelessness.
Imagine a bunch of missiles coming from one direction and another bunch of missiles coming up to shoot them down - the ones that miss are just "random acts of violence" waiting to rain down somewhere.
War truly is hell, but it is reassuring to know that the leaders involved did not jump to erroneous conclusions before the real information was in.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-poland-missile-putin-nato-rcna57416 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-poland-missile-putin-nato-rcna57416)
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another heartbreaking video
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1595515700810027008 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1595515700810027008)
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another heartbreaking video
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1595515700810027008 (https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1595515700810027008)
The comments on that are not very fun to read either.
I hate this so much.
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The comments on that are not very fun to read either.
You're right, I just saw some of them. I almost never look at comments because they are usually random and crazy.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63789475 🤦🤦🤦
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Hey, today Biden traded Putin an arms dealer for a basketball player. Seems reasonable, doesn't it?
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You expected something more severe?
We don't really punish arms dealers unless they're selling illegally to U.S. citizens.
Go watch the film War Dogs and Lord of War, both are based on true stories of U.S. arms dealers who got busted.
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That's probably a move to secure more black votes going into 2024 for demo.
Kanye is doing a mess on black people right now. If he runs, he's basically black Drumph. Democrats only has a tiny sliver, if kanye or whoever he's supporting, sucks up too many black votes, it's not good.
A large portion of black people are disenfranchised and poorly educated in this country, they're in no better ideological condition than the bulk of the dumb white repooplicn't voters.
The repooplicn'ts already attempted to play with this strategy back in 2020 to draw off black votes from democrats
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Because she's well known it's an international incident, not some political ploy, at least not in the way you think.
Many times when one side grabs someone important the other side will grab someone else and make up charges in order to be used in an exchange, this happens with spies all the time. Getting that arms dealer back may have been the plan all along.
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Getting that arms dealer back may have been the plan all along.
I assumed that was true. And bragging rights about how the Americans are so soft that they will give up a colonel for a basketball player.
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Holy mackerel !
Is this **** for real ?
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Holy mackerel !
Is this **** for real ?
i don't see the point, it's just paper. a data point in excel.
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Is this **** for real ?
it's just paper.
"Russian Telegram is saying that some 🇷🇺 banks are refusing to give people their money. To prevent cash withdrawals, they are blocking debit cards from working and turning off ATMs."
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I'm willing to believe something like this may happen, only that I don't see the purpose. Modern money is just a few keystrokes.
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I don't see the purpose.
As I read it, Putin is confiscating the money in ordinary working-class Russians' bank accounts and giving them "state defense loan bonds" for them.
Actually, saying that they will issue the loan bonds to them next year ....
If you are asking "why don't they just print more rubles" they have probably gone too far down that path already.
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The return on Investment for the west on Ukraine is going great. This wasn't the full investment of a NATO member would get either. Once they get F-15/16 Patriots and modern Ballistic Missiles it's over. takes time to train your personnel tho. Russia has to do something within a year or the longer it plas out the better for Ukraine.
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Am getting a lot of reports that Putin is apparently gravely ill or something. All these are from The Sun though, so I'll believe it when I see it and not a second before. If he is, might he have gotten poisoned? That seems to be one of the main ways to get rid of political opponents in Russia.
As for the mobilisation; does it matter if they squeeze the general populace for more mobilisation money? The Russian army is dissolving like a sugar lump in hot tea, what could they possibly do at this point that's gonna make a difference.
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does it matter if they squeeze the general populace for more mobilisation money?
Collecting taxes is one thing, sucking actual money directly out of bank accounts is a whole 'nother level.
I have been hearing about Putin = dying from disease (colon cancer?) for months now, but what I have heard more about lately is plans to fly to Venezuela or some other 3rd world country.
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The Kremlin has doubled its wine allowance for Russian officials to alleviate the stress of Ukraine’s counter-offensive.
Sources told the exiled Verstka news website that Russian government officials have taken to sipping cognac throughout the day and turning up to meetings drunk and morose.
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The warnings keep coming in ....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/05/russia-has-planted-suspected-explosives-on-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-roofs-says-zelenskiy (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/05/russia-has-planted-suspected-explosives-on-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-roofs-says-zelenskiy)
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The warnings keep coming in ....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/05/russia-has-planted-suspected-explosives-on-zaporizhzhia-nu(lear-plant-roofs-says-zelenskiy (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/05/russia-has-planted-suspected-explosives-on-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-roofs-says-zelenskiy)
This is what nu(lear suicide is.
It ensures mutual annihilation, THEREFORE, we shouldn't fight wars. We provoked rvss into this war, now we're stuck in it wasting infinite monies.
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We provoked rvss into this war
I am guessing that very very few people would agree with this conclusion.
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We provoked rvss into this war
I am guessing that very very few people would agree with this conclusion.
If you watch main stream media, Sure. Chomsky on the other hand.
The general population greatly misunderstand how the world actually works. This is deliberate by design.
Every country is ruled by their military industrial oligarchs. The monopoly on violence is what dooms us all.
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Chomsky on the other hand.
The Chomsky video is terribly frightening but he was focused on how the West has utilized the Ukraine war for political ends. It is true that a moderately stable global commerce has been shattered and rearranged to the benefit (mostly) of the US and China - but at a colossal cost to the entire human race, including us.
But I disagree that Putin was pushed or coerced into starting the war. He was generally recognized as the richest man in the world, by far, and his country was easily selling everything that it produced, primarily to Europe but worldwide. His military has used the internet to dramatically warp the political and social fabric of the US to the detriment of democracy and freedom. There was absolutely no reason for him to start a war in Ukraine beyond incalculable hubris, and in doing it he has lost everything. He will spend the rest of his life as a pariah and a laughingstock.
Chomsky's claim that we deliberately goaded Putin into it to "degrade the capability of our main military enemy" is pretty far-fetched in my opinion. Besides, our main military enemy is China and has been for decades. Sure, the Russians are sitting on a big pile of nukes, but would they have ever used them in a stable world? How would attacking any other country with nuclear weapons benefit Russia?
I keep going back to Stephen Pinker's observation in The Better Angels of Our Nature, written before the rise of Trumpism, that wars are in decline because they are simply bad for business. The decline of democracies and the rise of plutocracies has profoundly perverted that principle since 2016.
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Here Chomsky explains, who's most responsible for starting this war. Unfortunately, it was us.
Pv7in is a di(khead and not blameless, but the entirety of US foreign policy / aggression had been the primary driver to tipping point.
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Batt1e Updat:
Az0v batallion, look, people have to stop pretending they're not naz1s, because they clearly are, they're just naz15 who are fighting "FOR" the ameri(an backed side of vkra1ne at the moment. In the same way that Rv55ia has hired their own naz1 m1litia, wagn3r.
In reality, naz1 or not, these are just local warlords with flexible loyalties.
America has no problem backing naz1 death squads as long as it works with our agenda, as in atlanti(1sm.
This is dangerous, because it's an unwinnable war that's a tinderbox for annihilating europe.
Vkra1n has 15 nv(lear rea(tors. Push comes to Shove, even 1 blown station is enough to blanket ALL of europe with thyroid cancer/leukemia/hard cancers.
Zapor12hia would be approximately 6x-20x the contamination of (hernoby1
The Vkra1n1an wheat, yea we get that people are hungry, but you don't want to eat vkran1an wheat unless you're starv1ng.
The largest coverup, has been that (hernoby1 contaminated approximately 40% of europe. Especially Vkra1ne and Be1arvs,
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Yevgeny Prigozhin dead in a plane crash?
Surprise !
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Yevgeny Prigozhin dead in a plane crash?
Surprise !
We don't really know if these things actually happened, it's just what they tell us.
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Yevgeny Prigozhin dead in a plane crash?
Surprise !
I thought there was that video where he said he was still in africa like a day ago. Everything about this is strange, but it does make sense for putin to kill a political enemy who tried to start a coup.
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We may never know. If he is smart he is on the other side of the world recovering from plastic surgery on his face.
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We may never know. If he is smart he is on the other side of the world recovering from plastic surgery on his face.
Yeah that would be the smartest play when against the richest man in the world.
Remember seeing that face surgery stuff in cowboy bebop, didn't work for him though.
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We may never know. If he is smart he is on the other side of the world recovering from plastic surgery on his face.
Yeah that would be the smartest play when against the richest man in the world.
Remember seeing that face surgery stuff in cowboy bebop, didn't work for him though.
I AM CASTOR TROY.
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I have been hearing about this stuff for a while, and it is pretty disturbing ....
https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk-ordered-starlink-turned-off-ukraine-offensive-biography (https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk-ordered-starlink-turned-off-ukraine-offensive-biography)
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He didn't want to escalate things.
It's a war and you just severely limited one sides ability to return fire...
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He didn't want to escalate things.
It's a war and you just severely limited one sides ability to return fire...
Remember it was the pentagon who said, we're not denying airspace. The reason is also escalation, there's no way to deny airspace without shooting into their side. And if we did that, it would be all-out-war.
And if we did war, we would ALL LOSE.
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He didn't want to escalate things.
we would ALL LOSE.
The point is that this unelected rich kid crybaby has the power of a one-man nation-state, and can wield his power according to nothing more than whim.
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The point is that this unelected rich kid crybaby has the power of a one-man nation-state, and can wield his power according to nothing more than whim.
The danger ontop of crazed pvtin himself is our own hypocricy,
Nohm Chomsky's assessment of our own presidents and foreign interference