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Title: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Mon, 20 November 2017, 17:47:51
So I've recently been looking for an Apple M0116 for myself and would rather get the Alps SKCM Orange but the keyboard came with salmon as well. I've been told that there is no way to tell which it has besides pulling a keycap. I've noticed, though, that there is a trend where the higher serial numbers have Salmon and the lower serial numbers have Orange.

My plan is to collect some data and see if that always holds true or if there even really is a trend at all. We may be able to narrow down where the change happens as well. This would help when trying to buy on ebay since most sellers don't post pics of the switches. If this has already been tried, please let me know!

If you have this keyboard or can find some serial number and switch pairs please post them here!

So far we have:
   
Orange       Salmon
213304      989857
232104      996776
386789      1022895
405319      1028746
407613      1047381
483218      1117093
532773      1126762
590887      1173389
619423      1355545
621848      1356538
624846      1419309
661825      
677223      
715944      
867060      
900367      
935483      
1439200               
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: OfTheWild on Tue, 21 November 2017, 01:35:52
Orange:
G 407613

Salmon:
1355545
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Tue, 21 November 2017, 03:00:50
From the Deskthority wiki:

M0116: Unreadable, but appears to be 386789: made in USA, orange Alps with no logo, ca. 1987

M0118: AL13910SM0117Z, salmon
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Tue, 21 November 2017, 08:43:50
Thank y'all!

From the Deskthority wiki:

M0116: Unreadable, but appears to be 386789: made in USA, orange Alps with no logo, ca. 1987

Yeah I couldn't quite make out what that was, but we at least are sure that it's only 6 digits!
 
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: chyros on Tue, 21 November 2017, 11:58:47
624846 orange
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Tue, 21 November 2017, 12:57:13
624846 orange

Thanks! Looks like we're getting way more orange than salmon so far. Also wanted to say thanks for your videos. They are great and the main reason I got into vintage boards.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: chyros on Tue, 21 November 2017, 13:10:52
624846 orange

Thanks! Looks like we're getting way more orange than salmon so far. Also wanted to say thanks for your videos. They are great and the main reason I got into vintage boards.
Thank you, glad you're enjoying them :D .

I did have a salmon one at one point, but I don't have the serial off of that one anymore.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: tron on Tue, 21 November 2017, 13:49:12
Orange Alps
M0116
900367
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: ander on Wed, 22 November 2017, 03:07:22
What about Apple M0312? Aren't they even less common? I have one, but I'm not going to tell you what kind of switches it has until I know you're interested in it.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Wed, 22 November 2017, 09:06:20
What about Apple M0312? Aren't they even less common? I have one, but I'm not going to tell you what kind of switches it has until I know you're interested in it.

Well the point of this is to gather enough data about the M0116 that we could say with relative confidence that serial numbers 0-935483 have orange alps and 1022895+ (just an example) have salmon alps. But maybe that would be beneficial for the M0312 too? Idk the wiki seems to have a lot more info on the AEKII.

Either way I'd love to hear about your keyboard  ;)
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Sun, 26 November 2017, 11:48:24
Keep 'em coming! I'll try to keep going through old for-sale posts

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Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Wed, 29 November 2017, 15:32:33
Found a couple more that have been added to the list! The one I got on eBay was Orange Alps and was 619423. They feel amazing! A great experience for first time Alps user. Now to figure out this Teensy 2.0 Converter stuff...
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: klennkellon on Wed, 29 November 2017, 23:54:27
Mine has Salmons and is reasonably clean.

Unfortunately I think when it was in storage something really heavy was sitting on the keys for a long time and bent the tactile leafs out of shape. Thus every switch feels pretty much linear.

I tried bending the leafs back into shape but this is hard to do consistently and I don't have the patience. Some day I might swap the leafs from Matias into them.



Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Thu, 30 November 2017, 08:39:58
Unfortunately I think when it was in storage something really heavy was sitting on the keys for a long time and bent the tactile leafs out of shape. Thus every switch feels pretty much linear.

I tried bending the leafs back into shape but this is hard to do consistently and I don't have the patience. Some day I might swap the leafs from Matias into them.

Aww that's a bummer.. Mine is actually really light too so I'm wondering if replacing the leaves would help. When you get a chance take a look at the bottom and post that serial number!
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: _rubik on Thu, 30 November 2017, 10:02:09
My M0116:

Alps Salmon
989857

Edit: Seems like the lowest salmon SN here.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Thu, 30 November 2017, 10:03:57
My M0116:

Alps Salmon
989857

Edit: Seems like the lowest salmon SN here.
Yeah!! Wow really helpful. Thanks!

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Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: _rubik on Thu, 30 November 2017, 10:09:51
My M0116:

Alps Salmon
989857

Edit: Seems like the lowest salmon SN here.
Yeah!! Wow really helpful. Thanks!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk

It seems like your SN theory is largely correct. Maybe the line is drawn somewhere in the 900000 range?
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Thu, 30 November 2017, 10:22:33
Orange:
G 407613

Salmon:
1355545
I just noticed that your orange one had a "G" at the front. I have yet to see another M0116 with a letter in the serial number!
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Thu, 30 November 2017, 10:26:46
It seems like your SN theory is largely correct. Maybe the line is drawn somewhere in the 900000 range?

Yeah if we're correct that there's a definitive point where it switches from Orange to Salmon than we've narrowed it down to somewhere between 935483 and 989857. Which I think is pretty great progress already. I was wondering if they did it right at the 1,000,000 mark, but yours seems to prove otherwise.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 30 November 2017, 11:34:20
This really surprises me, I have had maybe 10 of these, although not anymore, and I had thought that the change-over from orange to salmon came at about 500K-600K.

Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Rinsaku on Fri, 01 December 2017, 00:14:15
I got a salmon... SN 1028746.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: macguy80 on Fri, 01 December 2017, 01:15:29
But maybe that would be beneficial for the M0312 too?

I, for one, would love to see a similar thread for the AEKII (M0312/M3501)

Quote
Idk the wiki seems to have a lot more info on the AEKII.

Yes, but the available info leaves a lot of room for ambiguity. In my opinion, I find the damped cream MUCH more enjoyable than the later damped white switches. The damped white switches seem louder and not as smooth to me. I used to think it was easy: 1990 = cream and 1995 = white.

But no. The wiki says white damped keyboards can be either 1990 or 1995, if the country of manufacture is USA. And that doesn't even take the 1990 Salmons into account.

For that reason, I think such an AEKII thread would be useful, for the same goal that this thread has.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Fri, 01 December 2017, 02:28:38
This is the first thread I've seen (lately, anyway) where someone has tried to gather data empirically. I am glad that someone understands!
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: FioraCorp on Fri, 01 December 2017, 02:57:54
I have 3 M0116's

2 Orange:
677223
1439200

1 Salmon:
996776
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: chyros on Fri, 01 December 2017, 03:17:38
2 Orange:
1439200
whaaaaa?
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Fri, 01 December 2017, 08:20:27
2 Orange:
1439200
whaaaaa?

I hope he hit the zero an extra time... lol is it ruined??? That is also the highest serial number we've collected. Is it possible they went back to the Orange Alps after switching to Salmon? We need a lot more data I'd say
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: FioraCorp on Fri, 01 December 2017, 12:21:46
Yea /shrug got those two oranges from a wholesaler on taobao.  I can post up some pictures of the unit(s) later if y'all like.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Fri, 01 December 2017, 12:37:11
Yea /shrug got those two oranges from a wholesaler on taobao.  I can post up some pictures of the unit(s) later if y'all like.
Yeah pics would be good. It'd be good to document especially the one that falls out of line with the trend
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: _rubik on Fri, 01 December 2017, 13:53:18
Perhaps salmon was a limited run bookended by oranges?
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: FioraCorp on Fri, 01 December 2017, 15:12:28
Yea /shrug got those two oranges from a wholesaler on taobao.  I can post up some pictures of the unit(s) later if y'all like.
Yeah pics would be good. It'd be good to document especially the one that falls out of line with the trend


Welp I had to get a bit creative cause I couldn't find a handheld mirror.  Ended up using a pair of sunglasses.

SN Shot:
(https://i.imgur.com/LrjoMVZ.jpg)


Front shot:
(https://i.imgur.com/CXGy55Y.jpg)

?Proof shot?:
(https://i.imgur.com/ipkYT8f.jpg)

I made a small album of the three here: https://imgur.com/a/14euW (https://imgur.com/a/14euW)

I didn't take a pic of my other keebs cause I was lazy.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Fri, 01 December 2017, 15:15:19
Yea /shrug got those two oranges from a wholesaler on taobao.  I can post up some pictures of the unit(s) later if y'all like.
Yeah pics would be good. It'd be good to document especially the one that falls out of line with the trend


Welp I had to get a bit creative cause I couldn't find a handheld mirror.  Ended up using a pair of sunglasses.

SN Shot:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/LrjoMVZ.jpg)



Front shot:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/CXGy55Y.jpg)


?Proof shot?:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ipkYT8f.jpg)


I made a small album of the three here: https://imgur.com/a/14euW (https://imgur.com/a/14euW)

I didn't take a pic of my other keebs cause I was lazy.
Hahaha I didn't realize you would have to get the switches and serial number in the same shot. I applaud the effort

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Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: chyros on Fri, 01 December 2017, 15:20:46
Yea /shrug got those two oranges from a wholesaler on taobao.  I can post up some pictures of the unit(s) later if y'all like.
Yeah pics would be good. It'd be good to document especially the one that falls out of line with the trend


Welp I had to get a bit creative cause I couldn't find a handheld mirror.  Ended up using a pair of sunglasses.

SN Shot:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/LrjoMVZ.jpg)



Front shot:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/CXGy55Y.jpg)


?Proof shot?:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ipkYT8f.jpg)


I made a small album of the three here: https://imgur.com/a/14euW (https://imgur.com/a/14euW)

I didn't take a pic of my other keebs cause I was lazy.
Were you the only owner of that keyboard?
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: FioraCorp on Fri, 01 December 2017, 15:42:17
No way for me to know like I said I bought them from a wholesaler.  I suppose it's possible someone went in and swapped the salmons for oranges or something like that but the reseller certainly wouldn't be doing that.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: chyros on Fri, 01 December 2017, 15:57:45
No way for me to know like I said I bought them from a wholesaler.  I suppose it's possible someone went in and swapped the salmons for oranges or something like that but the reseller certainly wouldn't be doing that.
I was thinking manufacturer refurbish maybe, so a swapped case, or maybe someone else swapped the case for a less yellowed one or something.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: ander on Fri, 01 December 2017, 18:31:19
What about Apple M0312? Aren't they even less common? I have one, but I'm not going to tell you what kind of switches it has until I know you're interested in it.

Well the point of this is to gather enough data about the M0116 that we could say with relative confidence that serial numbers 0-935483 have orange alps and 1022895+ (just an example) have salmon alps. But maybe that would be beneficial for the M0312 too? Idk the wiki seems to have a lot more info on the AEKII... Either way I'd love to hear about your keyboard  ;)

I, for one, would love to see a similar thread for the AEKII (M0312/M3501)

Quote
Idk the wiki seems to have a lot more info on the AEKII.

Yes, but the available info leaves a lot of room for ambiguity. In my opinion, I find the damped cream MUCH more enjoyable than the later damped white switches. The damped white switches seem louder and not as smooth to me. I used to think it was easy: 1990 = cream and 1995 = white.

But no. The wiki says white damped keyboards can be either 1990 or 1995, if the country of manufacture is USA. And that doesn't even take the 1990 Salmons into account.

For that reason, I think such an AEKII thread would be useful, for the same goal that this thread has.

Thanks for your responses. For what it's worth, my M0312 (1995, s/n AP4362AC) has damped Whites. I don't expect anyone to remember that, but you know how hard it is for keeb geeks like us to resist going into detail.  :?)

What wiki are you referring to, BTW? Is GH's wiki being revived? Or are you referring to Deskthority's, or someone else's? Seems to me you'd be discussing this there, if so.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: _rubik on Sat, 02 December 2017, 09:58:02
No way for me to know like I said I bought them from a wholesaler.  I suppose it's possible someone went in and swapped the salmons for oranges or something like that but the reseller certainly wouldn't be doing that.
I was thinking manufacturer refurbish maybe, so a swapped case, or maybe someone else swapped the case for a less yellowed one or something.

Swapped case seems likely. I would guess that this whole seller buys in untested/not-working boards in bulk  and then Frankensteins them together. That doesn't mean the board is lesser in any way -- you get the best of both worlds at the cost of an all original board.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: OfTheWild on Sat, 02 December 2017, 12:43:00
Theres always going to be an anomaly or two but I think this is a pretty decent start at making a hypothesis about the s/n being relative to its switch type.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 02 December 2017, 13:05:43
Theres always going to be an anomaly or two but I think this is a pretty decent start at making a hypothesis about the s/n being relative to its switch type.

it's generally common knowledge that lower numbers are more likely to have orange ALPS

i forget exactly what the cutoff is, but i've definitely heard this before
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: macguy80 on Sat, 02 December 2017, 14:26:22
Thanks for your responses. For what it's worth, my M0312 (1995, s/n AP4362AC) has damped Whites. I don't expect anyone to remember that, but you know how hard it is for keeb geeks like us to resist going into detail.  :?)

What wiki are you referring to, BTW? Is GH's wiki being revived? Or are you referring to Deskthority's, or someone else's? Seems to me you'd be discussing this there, if so.

When Floofs said "the wiki" I assumed that to mean Deskthority's, as it's the only keyboard-centric wiki that I know of (in current operation.) I've never discussed it there because the (excellent) idea for a SN thread originated here, and the idea never occurred to me personally, though I am happy to contribute data as soon as I can confirm it. My keypuller has gone missing.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Sun, 03 December 2017, 09:42:54
What about Apple M0312? Aren't they even less common? I have one, but I'm not going to tell you what kind of switches it has until I know you're interested in it.

Well the point of this is to gather enough data about the M0116 that we could say with relative confidence that serial numbers 0-935483 have orange alps and 1022895+ (just an example) have salmon alps. But maybe that would be beneficial for the M0312 too? Idk the wiki seems to have a lot more info on the AEKII... Either way I'd love to hear about your keyboard  ;)

I, for one, would love to see a similar thread for the AEKII (M0312/M3501)

Quote
Idk the wiki seems to have a lot more info on the AEKII.

Yes, but the available info leaves a lot of room for ambiguity. In my opinion, I find the damped cream MUCH more enjoyable than the later damped white switches. The damped white switches seem louder and not as smooth to me. I used to think it was easy: 1990 = cream and 1995 = white.

But no. The wiki says white damped keyboards can be either 1990 or 1995, if the country of manufacture is USA. And that doesn't even take the 1990 Salmons into account.

For that reason, I think such an AEKII thread would be useful, for the same goal that this thread has.

Thanks for your responses. For what it's worth, my M0312 (1995, s/n AP4362AC) has damped Whites. I don't expect anyone to remember that, but you know how hard it is for keeb geeks like us to resist going into detail.  :?)

What wiki are you referring to, BTW? Is GH's wiki being revived? Or are you referring to Deskthority's, or someone else's? Seems to me you'd be discussing this there, if so.
I was talking about the deskthority wiki, so I guess I should've started a thread there too lol I have an account, but just seemed to like this place better


Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Sun, 03 December 2017, 09:52:31

Theres always going to be an anomaly or two but I think this is a pretty decent start at making a hypothesis about the s/n being relative to its switch type.

it's generally common knowledge that lower numbers are more likely to have orange ALPS

i forget exactly what the cutoff is, but i've definitely heard this before

From what research I did on the topic a few people mentioned that it was more likely that if you got a lower sn you'd get orange, but there wasn't much certainty and there wasn't a range of serial numbers to look for

Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Sun, 03 December 2017, 10:03:47
But no. The wiki says white damped keyboards can be either 1990 or 1995, if the country of manufacture is USA. And that doesn't even take the 1990 Salmons into account.

Firstly, those are the copyright dates from the label on the back. It's extremely rare for anyone to attempt to gather proper empirical evidence for product and variant timeframes. That's what Keycombo (http://telcontar.net/KBK/Keycombo/) was created for, but very few people seem to understand what I was trying to do.

If you look at the examples on the AEKII page, only one—the Mitsumi example—depicts an actual manufacturing date of anything (1991-08-23 I assume).

Secondly, the Deskthority wiki doesn't require anyone to beg permission to edit it: if you have more data, add it. It doesn't write itself. If you doubt the accuracy of what's on the wiki, gather up more accurate data and correct the offending pages. Be sure to include photos or references to prove your assertions so that, this time around, there will be no doubt.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Sun, 03 December 2017, 10:09:51
But no. The wiki says white damped keyboards can be either 1990 or 1995, if the country of manufacture is USA. And that doesn't even take the 1990 Salmons into account.

Firstly, those are the copyright dates from the label on the back. It's extremely rare for anyone to attempt to gather proper empirical evidence for product and variant timeframes. That's what Keycombo (http://telcontar.net/KBK/Keycombo/) was created for, but very few people seem to understand what I was trying to do.

If you look at the examples on the AEKII page, only one—the Mitsumi example—depicts an actual manufacturing date of anything (1991-08-23 I assume).

Secondly, the Deskthority wiki doesn't require anyone to beg permission to edit it: if you have more data, add it. It doesn't write itself. If you doubt the accuracy of what's on the wiki, gather up more accurate data and correct the offending pages. Be sure to include photos or references to prove your assertions so that, this time around, there will be no doubt.
Woah I haven't come across Keycombo before. That's really cool! I'll take a closer look at it this afternoon

Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: macguy80 on Sun, 03 December 2017, 14:37:36
Secondly, the Deskthority wiki doesn't require anyone to beg permission to edit it: if you have more data, add it. It doesn't write itself. If you doubt the accuracy of what's on the wiki, gather up more accurate data and correct the offending pages. Be sure to include photos or references to prove your assertions so that, this time around, there will be no doubt.

Actually, I am physically disabled, and lack the physical ability to disassemble the keyboard to provide photographic proof based on internals. Keycap removal is about as far as I can go, and even that is difficult. I wasn't talking about adding anything to the wiki. The data addition I was referring to was another serial number and switch type for this thread! ;)
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Kachangputay on Mon, 04 December 2017, 02:50:11
Thank you for this. i just purchased an m0116 off ebay with the serial number 574966 with hopes that it's an orange! will confirm here when i receive the board!
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Mon, 04 December 2017, 09:48:32
No way for me to know like I said I bought them from a wholesaler.  I suppose it's possible someone went in and swapped the salmons for oranges or something like that but the reseller certainly wouldn't be doing that.
I was thinking manufacturer refurbish maybe, so a swapped case, or maybe someone else swapped the case for a less yellowed one or something.
Do y'all think I should mark this one as unsure or just leave it as is?
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 04 December 2017, 10:03:33
No way for me to know like I said I bought them from a wholesaler.  I suppose it's possible someone went in and swapped the salmons for oranges or something like that but the reseller certainly wouldn't be doing that.
I was thinking manufacturer refurbish maybe, so a swapped case, or maybe someone else swapped the case for a less yellowed one or something.
Do y'all think I should mark this one as unsure or just leave it as is?

Give
Throw a tentative (?) next to it. Something about it smells fishy.
Maybe there are some markings on the PCB that will prove the cases-swap-theory?
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Mon, 04 December 2017, 10:11:04
Thank you for this. i just purchased an m0116 off ebay with the serial number 574966 with hopes that it's an orange! will confirm here when i receive the board!
I hope it helps you out! I'll be rootin for ya. However, I have heard that the Salmons are quite nice as well. And if you end up getting Salmon then you have a good excuse to buy another one and you'll have 2!
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: FioraCorp on Mon, 04 December 2017, 11:08:49
No way for me to know like I said I bought them from a wholesaler.  I suppose it's possible someone went in and swapped the salmons for oranges or something like that but the reseller certainly wouldn't be doing that.
I was thinking manufacturer refurbish maybe, so a swapped case, or maybe someone else swapped the case for a less yellowed one or something.
Do y'all think I should mark this one as unsure or just leave it as is?

Give
Throw a tentative (?) next to it. Something about it smells fishy.
Maybe there are some markings on the PCB that will prove the cases-swap-theory?

I'm not sure markings on the pcb would 'prove' anything but you're welcome to do what you like with the information just trying to pitch in with some contribution if I can.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Mon, 04 December 2017, 11:17:46
No way for me to know like I said I bought them from a wholesaler.  I suppose it's possible someone went in and swapped the salmons for oranges or something like that but the reseller certainly wouldn't be doing that.
I was thinking manufacturer refurbish maybe, so a swapped case, or maybe someone else swapped the case for a less yellowed one or something.
Do y'all think I should mark this one as unsure or just leave it as is?
Give
Throw a tentative (?) next to it. Something about it smells fishy.
Maybe there are some markings on the PCB that will prove the cases-swap-theory?

I'm not sure markings on the pcb would 'prove' anything but you're welcome to do what you like with the information just trying to pitch in with some contribution if I can.
Well there might be a date on the controller that could give us some clues to why the case doesn't seem to match up to the switches.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Mon, 04 December 2017, 15:14:39
Do y'all think I should mark this one as unsure or just leave it as is?

To be scientific, it should be left as-is.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Fri, 08 December 2017, 09:17:26
Bump. I got mine up and running using a Teensy 2.0 and I love it. Much lighter than my Everex with black Space Invaders.. But the space invaders do have NKRO which has been nice.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Tue, 12 December 2017, 10:21:30
I click-modded them and they're awesome! Decided to try an Apple IIgs with Orange ALPS so I can have a clicky and a tacile orange.
Title: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Kachangputay on Tue, 19 December 2017, 10:47:26
Thank you for this. i just purchased an m0116 off ebay with the serial number 574966 with hopes that it's an orange! will confirm here when i receive the board!
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171219/4aff0a5dc1a9284a48246dd8511b1f9d.jpg)

The board just came in! Looks like it's salmon? It looks orange under certain lightings as well. Its probably my brain wanting it to be orange. I can't tell the color difference at this point

Edit: I watched chyrosran's orange alps video and the color looks the same. Soo I guess it's orange?


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Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Tue, 19 December 2017, 12:15:43
Yes, that is "orange", or as Apple call it in their service documentation, "tan". Depending on photo and on batch, the colour varies, but it's often a fairly muted shade.

The "salmon" switches are cooked salmon colour, while orange Alps is a bit like raw salmon.

It would have been nice if Alps had gone for more distinct and easier-to-name shades!
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Tue, 19 December 2017, 16:50:55
The board just came in! Looks like it's salmon? It looks orange under certain lightings as well. Its probably my brain wanting it to be orange. I can't tell the color difference at this point

My brain went through the same thing when I got mine.  :p  The Orange does have a bit of a salmon tone to it which is confusing. But yeah those are Orange ALPS! Hope you can take the time to clean up those dirty things. ALPS are notorious for feeling terrible if they are dirty :( (from what I've read here)
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Kachangputay on Wed, 20 December 2017, 01:22:09
Yes, that is "orange", or as Apple call it in their service documentation, "tan".

Thanks for the confirmation! There were so many different colored 'oranges' I saw on the internet that I started to think I had color blindness.

Hope you can take the time to clean up those dirty things. ALPS are notorious for feeling terrible if they are dirty :( (from what I've read here)

Definely! Just spent the past hour or so cleaning the case and everything inside. Damn it's nasty. All that's left now are the switches! Thanks for starting this thread!


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Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 20 December 2017, 15:54:47
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=93071.0;attach=184573;image)

Thank you for this. i just purchased an m0116 off ebay with the serial number 574966 with hopes that it's an orange! will confirm here when i receive the board!
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171219/4aff0a5dc1a9284a48246dd8511b1f9d.jpg)


The board just came in! Looks like it's salmon? It looks orange under certain lightings as well. Its probably my brain wanting it to be orange. I can't tell the color difference at this point

Edit: I watched chyrosran's orange alps video and the color looks the same. Soo I guess it's orange?


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Good find there!

(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=93071.0;attach=184573;image)
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Floofs on Tue, 06 February 2018, 09:30:09
I'm gonna bump this thread so any new M0116's can be logged. I've really loved this keyboard. It was great as a tactile orange keyboard, but it's incredible with the click mod.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Blackhawk on Wed, 07 February 2018, 11:21:13
orange: 439172
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Torque_635 on Sat, 17 March 2018, 09:58:42
Got 3 all Orange

101093 - purchased 10-Nov-1987
697909 - purchased 13-Jan-1989
842593 - purchased 19-Mar-1990
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: UnFocused on Sun, 18 March 2018, 14:10:02
205442 / orange.

This keyboard came with a Mac SE my mom bought in 1987. It's in perfect condition.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: wokija on Sun, 06 May 2018, 22:30:39
Orange
Serial no: 095993

Macintosh SE from a library.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: sexzual on Fri, 20 July 2018, 04:40:56
I've got 2

305545 - orange Alps

1187994 - salmon Alps
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: poodude on Sun, 13 January 2019, 13:55:49
387401 - Orange Alps
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: latemodel24 on Sun, 13 January 2019, 15:29:22
521058, orange alps
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: the_ambyguous on Sat, 30 March 2019, 00:43:45
1386636 - salmon

802298 - orange
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: abram on Mon, 22 April 2019, 14:11:12
746227 over here with orange ALPS.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: the_ambyguous on Sat, 27 April 2019, 01:21:57
549776 - orange
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: 132brandon on Mon, 13 May 2019, 16:39:24
557323 Orange
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: daneb on Tue, 14 May 2019, 15:17:40
M0116 with orange alps, serial number C81800VM0117B
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Wojciech on Mon, 03 June 2019, 03:04:38
AL1450H1M0117D - salmon
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: swedishpiehole on Mon, 03 June 2019, 15:28:12
Just bought a M0116 on eBay to harvest switches for an Alps64 build. This is the 3rd keyboard I've bought—first one turned out to have white damped Alps, a.k.a garbage, the second had cream damped which are not bad, but I wanted to compare with orange or salmon before committing and also I'm a crazy person.
So I'm on pins and needles waiting for it to arrive and will post the result/SN here once it does!
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Sintpinty on Mon, 03 June 2019, 20:19:13
Sadly, i don't have one . But hoping to get it someday  :-[
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: LouisD on Tue, 04 June 2019, 13:53:10
367451 - Orange alps
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: swedishpiehole on Wed, 05 June 2019, 11:52:01
My M0116b just arrived and I think it has Orange Alps! Here is a pic:
[attach=1]
What do you think, orange?

It's pretty dirty but the switches still feel awesome. I don't have my AEK with damped cream to compare to, but they don't seem much louder. I can't wait until I have the time to desolder these and finally put together my Alps64 build.

Serial # is 284067
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: LouisD on Wed, 05 June 2019, 13:42:45
My M0116b just arrived and I think it has Orange Alps! Here is a pic:
(Attachment Link)
What do you think, orange?

It's pretty dirty but the switches still feel awesome. I don't have my AEK with damped cream to compare to, but they don't seem much louder. I can't wait until I have the time to desolder these and finally put together my Alps64 build.

Serial # is 284067

Yup, those are orange. Like some others have said: orange alps look like raw salmon, salmon alps look like cooked salmon.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: swedishpiehole on Wed, 05 June 2019, 15:00:46

Yup, those are orange. Like some others have said: orange alps look like raw salmon, salmon alps look like cooked salmon.
Yahoo! I don't know why I'm so excited, it just seems that orange get the most love, so I'm feeling lucky.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: mr.squishy on Mon, 17 June 2019, 11:46:16
Might as well add to the repository: 249168, Orange Alps
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: Sintpinty on Mon, 17 June 2019, 11:46:57
My M0116b just arrived and I think it has Orange Alps! Here is a pic:
(Attachment Link)
What do you think, orange?

It's pretty dirty but the switches still feel awesome. I don't have my AEK with damped cream to compare to, but they don't seem much louder. I can't wait until I have the time to desolder these and finally put together my Alps64 build.

Serial # is 284067

Yup, those are orange. Like some others have said: orange alps look like raw salmon, salmon alps look like cooked salmon.

Ok, helpful to know
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: LurkerMcNoPost on Thu, 04 July 2019, 00:47:04
M0116 1482973 Salmon

M0116J 028424 Orange
M0116J 104092 Salmon
M0116J 047189 Salmon <- This one surprised me since it is a very low serial number, I really thought I was going to get Orange. Was wondering if there was some kind of foul play but the PCB appears to be untouched and the controller on the PCB is the old NEC one, same as the one on the other M0116J, so it seems legit. It also has a Cream lock switch. I guess the line between Orange and Salmon for the J-series of M0116s is pretty low.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: RobinsonW on Sun, 08 September 2019, 05:02:39
Just got a nice little attic find haul off Ebay (UK) including my first orange Alps so thought it'd be rude not to register here and feed back what I got, since this is one of the threads that has guided me in my quest!

These three M0116s have unusual looking serial numbers compared to a lot of the other ones in this thread, and are all made in Ireland:
C8300FMM0116B - Orange
AM83501TM0116B - Orange
AM0500POM0116B - Salmon

Also my first Salmon M0116 that I got off Ebay some time ago was a bit unusual in that it didn't have an Apple sticker at all, but seems to have been from University of Freiburg. It has two stickers - one with a barcode numbered '*032440*' and the legend 'Apple standard keyboard "Eastwood"', and another sticker with the university logo and the number 005675. It also had vinyl stickers on some of the keys for the German legends, which did look fairly neatly done in terms of font.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: IK4MS on Wed, 02 October 2019, 09:17:32
M0118 - Orange (with Alps Logo) - AM9500F5M0117F

AZERTY, with FCC ID on the back (unlike what deskthority mentions...), made in Ireland (duh). Starting to think the higher the four digit number, the better the chances of getting oranges.
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: shallot on Wed, 24 June 2020, 09:56:04
Two Ireland assembled M0116s:

AM047005M0116B - Salmon
AM9141LEM0116B - Orange
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: mode on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:09:35
578240 - Orange
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: radditer on Sat, 10 October 2020, 06:13:19
398873 - Orange
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 10 October 2020, 14:30:31
Realized I can post mine now.  cause I have one!

1070595    Salmon
Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 29 April 2022, 15:48:58
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Title: Re: Post your Apple M0116 Serial No. and switch type here! (Orange or Salmon Alps)
Post by: CaesarAZealad on Fri, 29 April 2022, 16:22:38
334448 Orange alps
Made in the USA