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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #100 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:24:20 »
These certaintly seem interesting. I shorter actuation point might be nice, though I'll wait for someone else to test them first. :D

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #101 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:27:26 »
These certaintly seem interesting. I shorter actuation point might be nice, though I'll wait for someone else to test them first. :D

If it was possible to contact Razer and purchase JUST the switches, I would gladly begin analyzing them, for KEYBOARD SCIENCE!

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #102 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:31:50 »
If that's the case, then this is simply another example of Razer marketing bull**** products that really aren't any better than they were before (if anything, they'll be worse...)

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When did this turn into a gaming superiority war? I thought this thread was about Razer...

No one is talking about gaming superiority everyone taking what I say the wrong way or some **** like wtf all im saying is that razer is bull**** and that league player doesn't know wtf he's talking about now suddenly everyone thinks I'm bashing dota and league of lesbians

He's a paid shill, just like anybody who uses a Razer product for promo's, but in private or in public uses somebody elses product.

Plenty of professional gamers wear razer headsets, but if you look carefully, have Ear buds underneath to hide the fact that they aren't using Razer's promo headset.

They only have to look the part, they don't actually have to use it to get their $$$

9/10 at live events especially you will not often see players on the big stages or w/e wearing any branded Headset as they wear noise canceling cans for fairness reasons, the buds are more of a necessity.

Though I do agree I think that lots of people using headsets will still use buds under them if they can just to not use it, however i think headphones are not a great example for this type of argument, as its much much easier to wear a different headset from time to time when doing events that it would be to switch out a keyboard and mouse. while comfort does exist in headsets and if i use something different it woudl take me 5 mins maybe to setup the headset to my head, I would be fine with it much quicker than a mouse or keyboard.

but overall the guy is a paid shill and thats 100% clear but if razer want to pay me a decent amount of money to use their gear and also say i have to use it I would just have the switches changed to cherry's as with caps on everyone wins

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #103 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:37:01 »
All Razer is doing here is saying that these new switches are specifically designed for gaming. But that's like saying a toilet is specifically designed for ****ting. It doesn't make it a better product...

And I think it is even a straight up lie, too. The Kailh switches were designed as a copy of the Cherry switches. The thing that Razer changed here are the color of the switches and their name on it. I'm tempted to buy some Kailh Blues and compare them to the Razer Greens to prove this...

As for switches... I think they won't be worth Razer's price.

For comparison, a Newmen GM-10 with Kailh Blues (a TKL board) cost around ¥220.00 on Taobao (some evene only 170), that is about $36. Now the Razer BlackWidow TE (a TKL as well) on the other hand costs about $80.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #104 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:42:08 »
All Razer is doing here is saying that these new switches are specifically designed for gaming. But that's like saying a toilet is specifically designed for ****ting. It doesn't make it a better product...

And I think it is even a straight up lie, too. The Kailh switches were designed as a copy of the Cherry switches. The thing that Razer changed here are the color of the switches and their name on it. I'm tempted to buy some Kailh Blues and compare them to the Razer Greens to prove this...

As for switches... I think they won't be worth Razer's price.

For comparison, a Newmen GM-10 with Kailh Blues (a TKL board) cost around ¥220.00 on Taobao (some evene only 170), that is about $36. Now the Razer BlackWidow TE (a TKL as well) on the other hand costs about $80.

And how much do you want to bet that these new Razer switches will be sold at US$ 80 or even higher due to marketing BS?
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #105 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:43:19 »
All Razer is doing here is saying that these new switches are specifically designed for gaming. But that's like saying a toilet is specifically designed for ****ting. It doesn't make it a better product...

And I think it is even a straight up lie, too. The Kailh switches were designed as a copy of the Cherry switches. The thing that Razer changed here are the color of the switches and their name on it. I'm tempted to buy some Kailh Blues and compare them to the Razer Greens to prove this...

As for switches... I think they won't be worth Razer's price.

For comparison, a Newmen GM-10 with Kailh Blues (a TKL board) cost around ¥220.00 on Taobao (some evene only 170), that is about $36. Now the Razer BlackWidow TE (a TKL as well) on the other hand costs about $80.

And how much do you want to bet that these new Razer switches will be sold at US$ 80 or even higher due to marketing BS?

Razer is so full of **** they'll be using it to lube their switches.
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #106 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:44:40 »
All Razer is doing here is saying that these new switches are specifically designed for gaming. But that's like saying a toilet is specifically designed for ****ting. It doesn't make it a better product...

And I think it is even a straight up lie, too. The Kailh switches were designed as a copy of the Cherry switches. The thing that Razer changed here are the color of the switches and their name on it. I'm tempted to buy some Kailh Blues and compare them to the Razer Greens to prove this...

As for switches... I think they won't be worth Razer's price.

For comparison, a Newmen GM-10 with Kailh Blues (a TKL board) cost around ¥220.00 on Taobao (some evene only 170), that is about $36. Now the Razer BlackWidow TE (a TKL as well) on the other hand costs about $80.

And how much do you want to bet that these new Razer switches will be sold at US$ 80 or even higher due to marketing BS?

Razer is so full of **** they'll be using it to lube their switches.

Thats why they feel scratchy.  They must have been on a 2 month diet of corn on the cob and pop corn
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #107 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:45:21 »
And how much do you want to bet that these new Razer switches will be sold at US$ 80 or even higher due to marketing BS?

I might not have been clear enough: The Razer BlackWidow TE with the Razer Greens costs about $80.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #108 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:45:40 »
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Do keep in mind that Kailh also make mouse switches, which may account for some of their partnership relations...

But, in this case, I think the "Razer keyboard switch" almost certainly is Kailh.

Yup. That Logitech and CM Storm logo made me wonder for a second.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #109 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:48:28 »
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #110 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:48:35 »
All Razer is doing here is saying that these new switches are specifically designed for gaming. But that's like saying a toilet is specifically designed for ****ting. It doesn't make it a better product...

And I think it is even a straight up lie, too. The Kailh switches were designed as a copy of the Cherry switches. The thing that Razer changed here are the color of the switches and their name on it. I'm tempted to buy some Kailh Blues and compare them to the Razer Greens to prove this...

As for switches... I think they won't be worth Razer's price.

For comparison, a Newmen GM-10 with Kailh Blues (a TKL board) cost around ¥220.00 on Taobao (some evene only 170), that is about $36. Now the Razer BlackWidow TE (a TKL as well) on the other hand costs about $80.

And how much do you want to bet that these new Razer switches will be sold at US$ 80 or even higher due to marketing BS?

Razer is so full of **** they'll be using it to lube their switches.

Thats why they feel scratchy.  They must have been on a 2 month diet of corn on the cob and pop corn


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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #111 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:48:55 »
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Do keep in mind that Kailh also make mouse switches, which may account for some of their partnership relations...

But, in this case, I think the "Razer keyboard switch" almost certainly is Kailh.

Yup. That Logitech and CM Storm logo made me wonder for a second.

Logitech and Cooler Master use them on their mice and it seems they're becoming more popular with a lot of brands (Steelseries, Razer, Thermaltake...)....
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #112 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:49:07 »
Yup. That Logitech and CM Storm logo made me wonder for a second.

It's a Coolermaster Logo, not CM Storm. They might use some of their switches for buttons on their PC cases etc.

Logitech and Cooler Master use them on their mice.

Or this.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #113 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:52:23 »
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #114 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:54:07 »
Damn...

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #116 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:56:06 »
Too bad its closed :(

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #117 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 14:56:17 »
Damn...

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Razer would make much more money if they sold fertilizer instead of input devices.

After all, bull**** makes the grass grow...
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #118 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:01:21 »
Hmm... has razer ever had a representative on GH?  :p
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #119 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:01:25 »
Damn...

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Razer would make much more money if they sold fertilizer instead of input devices.

After all, bull**** makes the grass grow...

But it would be low grade fertilizer that ****s the ph balance of your lawn and kills it.

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« Reply #120 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:05:24 »
Damn...

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Razer would make much more money if they sold fertilizer instead of input devices.

After all, bull**** makes the grass grow...

But it would be low grade fertilizer that ****s the ph balance of your lawn and kills it.


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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #121 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:05:46 »
Hmm... has razer ever had a representative on GH?  :p

lol no, don't think we ever will either...
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« Reply #122 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:06:11 »
Damn...

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #123 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:07:41 »
Hmm... has razer ever had a representative on GH?  :p

lol no, don't think we ever will either...

Haha... Was just thinking about how that would go
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« Reply #124 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:11:03 »
Damn...

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #125 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:22:22 »
After 2 hits, he will think twice before winning a game.

After 2 hits, he will not think anything anymore.

He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.
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« Reply #126 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:23:06 »
"But Tacticalstache" you may be saying "what does this mean for gaming?"

nothing

Pro players are gonna endorse it for about a month

then they're gonna be worthless

and I'll probably still buy them just to try them anyway.
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #127 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:25:14 »
He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.

Next keycon: Model F duels.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #128 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:26:02 »
He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.

Next keycon: Model F duels.

I'm in.  What's the prize?

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #129 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:27:00 »
Oh man those two hundred dollars and 0.00002 second faster activation will make me own some ****ing noobs in all the lanes at once!

Seriously, is Razer just slapping "gaming" on stuff, overpricing it and pumping marketing into it like heroin, when all they've done is a slightly modified version of something or just an overall average product?
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #130 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:32:59 »
He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.

Next keycon: Model F duels.

I'm in.  What's the prize?

Presumably, free stabilizers from WCass to replace your broken spacebars.

I'm freaking amused at the Razer hate. The products may not be the best, but if faced with the choice between some total garbage rubber dome that can only last 1 month under normal gaming conditions, and a Razer, what would you guys take?

That said, I think Razer is really asking for trouble with kailh switches. Complaints are going to go through the roof. They'll be forced to lower warranty periods to 3 months.
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #131 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:33:11 »
I need to stay away from some other PC forums' news section regarding razer's "newest" keyswitches...

I'm losing braincells reading all their comments over there.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #132 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:37:33 »
I need to stay away from some other PC forums' news section regarding razer's "newest" keyswitches...

I'm losing braincells reading all their comments over there.

-Runs back to GH-  :-*

What's the more general sentiment, out of curiosity?

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #133 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:38:28 »
I'm 5k mmr and platinum on dt35... it really doesn't matter. arcade stick is a little silly but really mechanical keyboards don't give an advantage it's pure marketing. we love mechanical keyboards for various reasons, helping you game better is ridiculous

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #134 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:38:39 »
I need to stay away from some other PC forums' news section regarding razer's "newest" keyswitches...

I'm losing braincells reading all their comments over there.

-Runs back to GH-  :-*

I've known for at least 6 months that Razer and Kailh were working together, but I still wasn't ready for all the bull**** that people are saying just about everywhere.

I hope my Brazilian Portuguese Mechanical Keyboard thread won't get infected with retarded noobs "spreading the word about Razer switches".
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Offline shrapneL

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #135 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:38:44 »
I need to stay away from some other PC forums' news section regarding razer's "newest" keyswitches...

I'm losing braincells reading all their comments over there.

-Runs back to GH-  :-*

Which ones should I stay away from?  ;)
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #136 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:39:42 »
I need to stay away from some other PC forums' news section regarding razer's "newest" keyswitches...

I'm losing braincells reading all their comments over there.

-Runs back to GH-  :-*

I've known for at least 6 months that Razer and Kailh were working together, but I still wasn't ready for all the bull**** that people are saying just about everywhere.

I hope my Brazilian Portuguese Mechanical Keyboard thread won't get infected with retarded noobs "spreading the word about Razer switches".

Just wait until everyone starts coming here wanting to know what cherry switch they have because its bright green or orange and they can't figure it out.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #137 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:39:48 »
He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.

Next keycon: Model F duels.

I'm in.  What's the prize?

Presumably, free stabilizers from WCass to replace your broken spacebars.

I'm freaking amused at the Razer hate. The products may not be the best, but if faced with the choice between some total garbage rubber dome that can only last 1 month under normal gaming conditions, and a Razer, what would you guys take?

That said, I think Razer is really asking for trouble with kailh switches. Complaints are going to go through the roof. They'll be forced to lower warranty periods to 3 months.


I don't think the hate for Razer comes from their products, but more from their marketing bull****.


In this case, the technical change is going from Cherry to Khail, probably only to save money on production cost. Yet, they manage to use their marketing blabla to convince people that they worked their ass trying to create a new switch that has been optimized for gaming.


Yet, if they indeed developed a new switch and are just use Khail as a manufacturer, then maybe they are right (to some extent) to brag all this. But really, they can't pretend their new switches will be much better than Cherry switches, not with all the choices you have with Cherry, and not with the ability to use o-rings and different keycaps to change the travel and profile of a keyboard to adapt it to your needs.


But well, marketing has to do their job, they are paid for it, and as long as they sell it's good for them, but for us, we see it as marketing bull**** so it plays on our nerves!
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #138 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:45:44 »
He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.

Next keycon: Model F duels.

I'm in.  What's the prize?

Presumably, free stabilizers from WCass to replace your broken spacebars.

I'm freaking amused at the Razer hate. The products may not be the best, but if faced with the choice between some total garbage rubber dome that can only last 1 month under normal gaming conditions, and a Razer, what would you guys take?

That said, I think Razer is really asking for trouble with kailh switches. Complaints are going to go through the roof. They'll be forced to lower warranty periods to 3 months.


I don't think the hate for Razer comes from their products, but more from their marketing bull****.


In this case, the technical change is going from Cherry to Khail, probably only to save money on production cost. Yet, they manage to use their marketing blabla to convince people that they worked their ass trying to create a new switch that has been optimized for gaming.


Yet, if they indeed developed a new switch and are just use Khail as a manufacturer, then maybe they are right (to some extent) to brag all this. But really, they can't pretend their new switches will be much better than Cherry switches, not with all the choices you have with Cherry, and not with the ability to use o-rings and different keycaps to change the travel and profile of a keyboard to adapt it to your needs.


But well, marketing has to do their job, they are paid for it, and as long as they sell it's good for them, but for us, we see it as marketing bull**** so it plays on our nerves!

A lot of it does come from the product...they have a history of very shoddy construction and QC. Look around for pictures of older-generation BlackWidow PCBs, or worn keycaps. It ain't pretty.

And then there's the pricing, which is just not in line with the quality of the product.
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #139 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:48:46 »
I need to stay away from some other PC forums' news section regarding razer's "newest" keyswitches...

I'm losing braincells reading all their comments over there.

-Runs back to GH-  :-*

Which ones should I stay away from?  ;)

I won't name any names, but I'll leave some quotes...

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is it a cherry switch or a razer switch?

Um reds are for gamers and so are browns

Probably designed by razor and made my cherry

It's a slightly different Cherry switch.

so.... its a brown with a higher activation point



I can feel my IQ dropping from copy/pasting those replies.... :-\
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Offline eth0s

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #140 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:51:03 »
How come 5 pages and nobody mentioned hysteresis?  These new clicky Razer gaming switches will have all of the problems of MX blues for gaming, because the reset point is higher than the actuation point on the keystroke.  So there is a lag in reset.  Which means less efficient gaming, or something.  [I dunno, I never really understood the hysteria surrounding hysteresis, but if it applies to MX blues, then it applies to these new Razer greens, be they Khails or whatever, or just some entirely new Cherry rip-off.]  Anyway, just wanted to mention hysteresis to sound smart.
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Offline BlueBär

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #141 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:52:53 »
I'm freaking amused at the Razer hate. The products may not be the best, but if faced with the choice between some total garbage rubber dome that can only last 1 month under normal gaming conditions, and a Razer, what would you guys take?

That said, I think Razer is really asking for trouble with kailh switches. Complaints are going to go through the roof. They'll be forced to lower warranty periods to 3 months.

I use a Razer DeathAdder 2013 myself, and I have no complaints about it and would actually recommend it, although it is probably overpriced.
What I do have complaints about though is their marketing, and how they sell lower quality stuff for the same price.
I mean even if these switches are able to compete with original MX switches, they copied something and call it innovation. It's a lie and that's what I don't like.

But really, they can't pretend their new switches will be much better than Cherry switches, not with all the choices you have with Cherry, and not with the ability to use o-rings and different keycaps to change the travel and profile of a keyboard to adapt it to your needs.

To be fair, these switches will probably be O-ring and keycap compatible as their specs are identical to Cherry's. But a 0,3mm higher actuation point isn't going to make them better than MX. It's probably not even going to be noticeable.

How come 5 pages and nobody mentioned hysteresis?  These new clicky Razer gaming switches will have all of the problems of MX blues for gaming, because the reset point is higher than the actuation point on the keystroke.  So there is a lag in reset.  Which means less efficient gaming, or something.  [I dunno, I never really understood the hysteria surrounding hysteresis, but if it applies to MX blues, then it applies to these new Razer greens, be they Khails or whatever, or just some entirely new Cherry rip-off.]  Anyway, just wanted to mention hysteresis to sound smart.

The orange variant is a clone of the MX Browns.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #142 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:53:50 »
I'd still like to buy some of these switches to test out.

Maybe there will be a GB for the switches.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #143 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 15:55:55 »
I'd still like to buy some of these switches to test out.

Maybe there will be a GB for the switches.

I doubt razer is going to sell the switches, your best bet will be getting a nonfunctional/damaged board off ebay.

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #144 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 16:01:15 »
I'd still like to buy some of these switches to test out.

Maybe there will be a GB for the switches.

I doubt razer is going to sell the switches, your best bet will be getting a nonfunctional/damaged board off ebay.

If the boards are up to their usual standard, that should not be too difficult.
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #145 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 16:02:26 »
I have to give Razer credit...I haven't seen a thread blow up like this on GeekHack for a while!

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #146 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 16:04:23 »
I have to give Razer credit...I haven't seen a thread blow up like this on GeekHack for a while!

Yeah this thread is pretty much as popular right now as the thread about the toxic buy thats about to happen

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #147 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 16:05:10 »
I have to give Razer credit...I haven't seen a thread blow up like this on GeekHack for a while!

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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #148 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 16:07:52 »
Wow! 0,3mm higher actuation! That is INCREDIBLE! I will totally own those nerds with my new Razer switches.

I bet Cherry is not very happy about this.

I doubt Cherry is shaking in their boots over this one. It may be great for gaming, but with my experience in Razer products, sometimes the overall build quality doesn't match that of some of the components. They definitely sound cool though, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Cherry release a switch more geared towards gaming soon. The blacks and reds are considered "gaming" ones but there is no bump or tactile going on!
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Re: Razer to release their own keyswitch
« Reply #149 on: Thu, 06 March 2014, 16:11:34 »
Gentlemen, the ****storm will be even bigger when they announce their "First mechanical gaming switches with RGB backlighting".

Yeah, like Matias Quiet/Click and Cherry MX RGB don't count  :thumb:
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