Post by: LifeZ on Mon, 10 May 2021, 04:05:03
First [Ghost project]
It is called LZ : erGhost
This is the second Ergonomics TKL since 2016.
My favorite layout. still with in my office. ;D
[attachimg=1]
[Layout]
ANSI & ISO
[Spec.]
- Aluminum case(Top+Bottom)
- 7 deg angled
- Switch plate mount : Rubber mount Technology.
( https://imgur.com/a/zxG1iSU )
[Color option]
-. TBD
[Price]
-. TBD
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Post by: typischt on Mon, 10 May 2021, 04:09:29
Post by: vi0till on Mon, 10 May 2021, 04:10:13
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Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 10 May 2021, 04:12:37
Post by: dededecline on Mon, 10 May 2021, 04:20:06
Post by: kimchijody on Mon, 10 May 2021, 04:21:21
Post by: naasfu on Mon, 10 May 2021, 04:26:38
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 10 May 2021, 04:28:00
Cool to see this come back though.
Post by: Faceman76 on Mon, 10 May 2021, 04:31:46
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Post by: luv2curn on Mon, 10 May 2021, 05:15:40
not a fan of the forehead at all, and sad to see the stepped section by the arrow keys and top indent on the Ergo go as well.
would love to see a proper render of this thing, maybe it's just the low quality straight top-down image and from a normal sitting viewing angle it looks good kinda like the BT HHKBs.
Post by: ai06L on Mon, 10 May 2021, 05:52:08
Post by: Full on Mon, 10 May 2021, 05:58:03
Post by: Bachoo on Mon, 10 May 2021, 07:06:29
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Mon, 10 May 2021, 07:42:25
Post by: NovaRMK on Mon, 10 May 2021, 08:01:15
Post by: iinko_mk on Mon, 10 May 2021, 08:38:12
i'll take your whole stock
Post by: bisoromi on Mon, 10 May 2021, 09:17:02
Post by: MyManMart on Mon, 10 May 2021, 09:32:17
Kind of wishing the top edge were cut diagonally, parallel to the bottom edge, like in the first version.
Cool to see this come back though.
I echo lightning here. Looks to be a very cool board to pick up though.
Post by: Razz1023 on Mon, 10 May 2021, 09:38:41
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 10 May 2021, 10:10:25
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 10 May 2021, 10:27:29
Post by: xoxox1029 on Mon, 10 May 2021, 11:38:00
Post by: MajorKoos on Mon, 10 May 2021, 12:29:02
Woah, another IC by LZ that people don't seem to care too much to ask for a proto for, yet that's almost standard practice. LZ actually delivering isn't much of an excuse either considering the physix shorted with regular use and the massive gaps around keycaps. Or are these features people really line up for?
Yes. I don't expect it to be perfect - no keyboard ever is.
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 10 May 2021, 14:10:23
Woah, another IC by LZ that people don't seem to care too much to ask for a proto for, yet that's almost standard practice. LZ actually delivering isn't much of an excuse either considering the physix shorted with regular use and the massive gaps around keycaps. Or are these features people really line up for?
Yes. I don't expect it to be perfect - no keyboard ever is.
Yes my friend no keyboard is perfect
But keep in mind the price. No keyboard should have those imperfections for the price point it was at. No keyboards should have that at all unless the creator explicitly state that it will have the issues.
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Post by: MajorKoos on Mon, 10 May 2021, 14:50:28
Woah, another IC by LZ that people don't seem to care too much to ask for a proto for, yet that's almost standard practice. LZ actually delivering isn't much of an excuse either considering the physix shorted with regular use and the massive gaps around keycaps. Or are these features people really line up for?
Yes. I don't expect it to be perfect - no keyboard ever is.
Yes my friend no keyboard is perfect
But keep in mind the price. No keyboard should have those imperfections for the price point it was at. No keyboards should have that at all unless the creator explicitly state that it will have the issues.
Too many people watched the video with the youtuber who couldn't figure out which bumpons went where and took their cue from that imo.
There's been a ton of this saltiness on LZ GB's since then.
I've got a dozen LZ keyboards in my collection and the most "heinous" flaw (besides JigOn ;D) I've found is the PC plate didn't work out on the PhysiX because it's too flexible for the mounting system (there are work arounds if you insist on PC and the other plate materials don't have the issue at all). On the bright side we got to test a new mounting system and figure out what does and doesn't work in the field so the whole hobby got to learn something. It's the price of progress.
Post by: luv2curn on Mon, 10 May 2021, 17:31:06
Woah, another IC by LZ that people don't seem to care too much to ask for a proto for, yet that's almost standard practice. LZ actually delivering isn't much of an excuse either considering the physix shorted with regular use and the massive gaps around keycaps. Or are these features people really line up for?
Yes. I don't expect it to be perfect - no keyboard ever is.
Yes my friend no keyboard is perfect
But keep in mind the price. No keyboard should have those imperfections for the price point it was at. No keyboards should have that at all unless the creator explicitly state that it will have the issues.
Too many people watched the video with the youtuber who couldn't figure out which bumpons went where and took their cue from that imo.
There's been a ton of this saltiness on LZ GB's since then.
I've got a dozen LZ keyboards in my collection and the most "heinous" flaw (besides JigOn ;D) I've found is the PC plate didn't work out on the PhysiX because it's too flexible for the mounting system (there are work arounds if you insist on PC and the other plate materials don't have the issue at all). On the bright side we got to test a new mounting system and figure out what does and doesn't work in the field so the whole hobby got to learn something. It's the price of progress.
I think people are just upset to see one of the OGs just completely phone it in for the last like 3 years. Posting low effort ICs with little to no information, no renders, no nothing, and now especially with this and the Phase literally just rehashing old designs with seemingly pointless revisions that make the new board look uglier for no reason at all.
The hobby's progressed a ton and it feels like LZ is just leaning on the reputation he established back in like 2013, and people will validate him and pay money for his boards for no reason other than because it's got his name stamped on it and if it sucks they know they can just toss it on mechmarket in a few months and get back whatever they paid for their board.
If it was anyone else posting an IC like this it would get laughed at, tbh. Can only say that I'm glad Geon exists and is doing actual good work to make Kustoms appealing again.
Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Mon, 10 May 2021, 17:49:42
I think people are just upset to see one of the OGs just completely phone it in for the last like 3 years. Posting low effort ICs with little to no information, no renders, no nothing, and now especially with this and the Phase literally just rehashing old designs with seemingly pointless revisions that make the new board look uglier for no reason at all.Spitting straight facts
The hobby's progressed a ton and it feels like LZ is just leaning on the reputation he established back in like 2013, and people will validate him and pay money for his boards for no reason other than because it's got his name stamped on it and if it sucks they know they can just toss it on mechmarket in a few months and get back whatever they paid for their board.
If it was anyone else posting an IC like this it would get laughed at, tbh. Can only say that I'm glad Geon exists and is doing actual good work to make Kustoms appealing again.
Post by: meiosis on Mon, 10 May 2021, 18:51:11
Post by: mrkantz on Mon, 10 May 2021, 19:14:47
Personally, not really concerned with the low effort IC. I’ll take a low effort IC from an established/proven community member over a novel from a new account. That’s the advantage of reputation 🤷♂️
Post by: Ryanticz on Mon, 10 May 2021, 19:40:42
Kind of wishing the top edge were cut diagonally, parallel to the bottom edge, like in the first version.
Cool to see this come back though.
Definitely feeling the same as Lightning here. Really excited to see another IC for an ergo in this shape but that massive forehead is kinda an eye sore of empty space imo.
Post by: popkorn62 on Mon, 10 May 2021, 20:48:44
Post by: Tree_ on Mon, 10 May 2021, 21:12:07
Of course I could be wrong and it might just be the render not portraying the end product accurately, but that also goes to show that this is a super lazy "IC" for a board that's probably already set in stone.
Post by: Faceman76 on Mon, 10 May 2021, 21:41:33
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Post by: audax989 on Tue, 11 May 2021, 00:30:54
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Tue, 11 May 2021, 00:32:27
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 11 May 2021, 00:32:45
mounting is similar to physix?
Yup
- Switch plate mount : Rubber mount Technology.
( https://imgur.com/a/zxG1iSU )
Post by: Brioric on Tue, 11 May 2021, 00:52:32
Post by: switchnollie on Tue, 11 May 2021, 03:53:14
Post by: Flexerman on Tue, 11 May 2021, 04:14:38
Will be trying for one for sure 👍
Post by: gorbachev on Tue, 11 May 2021, 06:43:35
So I've been looking into an LZ Ergo type premium keyboard for several years now.
But with that layout, I'm not putting my name in the hat for this one. It's way too bulky compared to LZ Ergo. It just doesn't look nice. Or maybe it's just the Microsoft Paint version of the render that's throwing me off.
Post by: ullr on Tue, 11 May 2021, 06:48:31
Post by: dallman5 on Tue, 11 May 2021, 08:30:45
Post by: i luv chuletas on Tue, 11 May 2021, 08:44:19
Post by: emperact on Tue, 11 May 2021, 10:56:42
Kind of wishing the top edge were cut diagonally, parallel to the bottom edge, like in the first version.
Cool to see this come back though.
For what my opnion is worth - I agree with this. Otherwise it looks really great.
Post by: rokon07 on Tue, 11 May 2021, 13:35:11
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Tue, 11 May 2021, 14:08:54
Own the Physix, I think it's great. Have a couple other LZ boards and I like them. If I go line-by-line for most of the complaints I read here one word comes to mind for their arguments... LIMP
Post by: Retne on Tue, 11 May 2021, 14:14:34
Post by: macclack on Tue, 11 May 2021, 17:32:14
Post by: finalarcadia on Tue, 11 May 2021, 17:39:43
Hoping for some cool sides and a through-weight, to differentiate from Physix.
Post by: luvSIK on Tue, 11 May 2021, 18:48:15
Post by: mrkantz on Tue, 11 May 2021, 19:49:52
Guys I think the forehead grows on u, give it a chance maybe lol.
Hoping for some cool sides and a through-weight, to differentiate from Physix.
Agreed, I’m starting to dig it
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Tue, 11 May 2021, 21:16:15
Post by: godzillq25 on Tue, 11 May 2021, 21:54:37
Post by: chibicute89 on Tue, 11 May 2021, 21:56:10
Post by: Damage on Tue, 11 May 2021, 22:20:36
Post by: Artemie on Tue, 11 May 2021, 22:21:16
Post by: Achromous on Tue, 11 May 2021, 22:41:06
Post by: Tree_ on Wed, 12 May 2021, 02:51:50
Guys I think the forehead grows on u, give it a chance maybe lol.
Hoping for some cool sides and a through-weight, to differentiate from Physix.
Actually hate it more the more I look at it - At least the Ergo somewhat had the illusion of symmetry because it didn't have the forehead. On this the angle of the left and right side bezels are totally different and because of the forehead you can really tell; it'll look awful in my opinion.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 12 May 2021, 10:10:13
Post by: Wazazaby on Thu, 13 May 2021, 08:26:11
Post by: gh_pp on Mon, 17 May 2021, 16:02:03
Is it possible for the PCB to support a different split on the right spacebar?
Something like (1.25x + longer split)
The reason being with the current (long 2.75u + short 1u), you can only comfortably access one key under the right thumb (the 1u key under 'm' & ',' is too far away)
If there are two keys easily accessible, one can bind spacebar + ctrl on the right side, or if you use left thumb for spacebar, then any combo of shift, ctrl, enter, backspace.
Please kindly consider it, at least if there's a solder version of the PCB.
Thanks
(BTW, a vertical 1.5u or 2u in the center might be very handy for ergo keyboard, as a enter or backspace)
Hello Everyone,
First [Ghost project]
It is called LZ : erGhost
This is the second Ergonomics TKL since 2016.
My favorite layout. still with in my office. ;D
(Attachment Link)
[Layout]
ANSI & ISO
[Spec.]
- Aluminum case(Top+Bottom)
- 7 deg angled
- Switch plate mount : Rubber mount Technology.
( https://imgur.com/a/zxG1iSU )
[Color option]
-. TBD
[Price]
-. TBD
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by: blighty on Wed, 19 May 2021, 11:24:04
Post by: MajorKoos on Wed, 19 May 2021, 14:50:36
Will PCBs be available separately, and will the PCBs be compatible with the LZ Ergo? I was never able to get any one onboard/willing to reverse engineer the Ergo's PCB without some sort of massive payment.
Did something happen to your PCB?
Post by: embracenext on Wed, 19 May 2021, 15:28:22
Post by: blighty on Thu, 20 May 2021, 01:45:17
Will PCBs be available separately, and will the PCBs be compatible with the LZ Ergo? I was never able to get any one onboard/willing to reverse engineer the Ergo's PCB without some sort of massive payment.
Did something happen to your PCB?
My Pcb works, more or less, but would love one where I could use the backlight or indicator LEDs without fear of having to dig out an ISP loader to reflash over corrupted firmware...
Post by: MajorKoos on Thu, 20 May 2021, 07:54:31
My Pcb works, more or less, but would love one where I could use the backlight or indicator LEDs without fear of having to dig out an ISP loader to reflash over corrupted firmware...
I ported mine to QMK + Via and things seem somewhat better.
RGB is still problematic so I disabled it, but the rest seems ok.
Post by: prettydouchebag on Thu, 20 May 2021, 12:20:11
Really excited to see further updates/developments for this board.
GLWIC
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 21 May 2021, 11:08:14
Post by: blighty on Thu, 03 June 2021, 11:47:15
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I don't think the filled in space on top would look too odd once it was in front of you, although I'd like a groove or pocket for pens or other desk junk up there. I do hope this gets made, just to have more of these types of boards in the wild, even though it's somewhat simplified from the first generation.
Post by: IMZO on Thu, 03 June 2021, 21:14:32
Post by: LifeZ on Wed, 29 September 2021, 01:42:25
Prototype is in progress.
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Post by: audax989 on Wed, 29 September 2021, 05:34:30
See you soon.
Prototype is in progress.
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agree with the design decision. looking forward to this one. might be my very first Lz board.
Post by: dudewth on Wed, 29 September 2021, 10:28:51
Post by: _rubik on Wed, 29 September 2021, 11:11:54
See you soon.
Prototype is in progress.
(Attachment Link)
This update looks wonderful. The board has gone from "maybe" to "please yes please god yes please"
I've wanted an Lz ergo for the longest time but have never had the opportunity. The recent ergo tkls have been great, but none have been designed by LZ.
I'm in
Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Wed, 29 September 2021, 15:21:24
See you soon.Can we see what mounting system looks like?
Prototype is in progress.
(Attachment Link)
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Post by: Zurg Eon on Wed, 29 September 2021, 19:15:03
See you soon.Can we see what mounting system looks like?
Prototype is in progress.
(Attachment Link)
Sent from my SM-N975W using Tapatalk
- Switch plate mount : Rubber mount Technology.
( https://imgur.com/a/zxG1iSU )
Post by: _rubik on Wed, 29 September 2021, 19:20:39
Looks like a cross between burger and tadpole?See you soon.Can we see what mounting system looks like?
Prototype is in progress.
(Attachment Link)
Sent from my SM-N975W using Tapatalk
- Switch plate mount : Rubber mount Technology.
( https://imgur.com/a/zxG1iSU )
Either way, it’s an isolated top mount
Post by: MajorKoos on Wed, 29 September 2021, 19:54:45
See you soon.
Prototype is in progress.
(Attachment Link)
This is my kryptonite...
Post by: thepinetreeyjs on Wed, 29 September 2021, 21:00:51
Actually, I think it would be good to remake the first LZ ERGO as it is.
I hope you supply enough quantities so that everyone who wants it can get it. :D :D :D :
Post by: blighty on Tue, 26 October 2021, 17:54:47