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Offline rdjack21

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« on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 17:25:08 »
There are currently two IBM Model M Mini's on ebay.

The first one the box was opened to verify that the keyboard works:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280330621839
label from above:


The second one from the same seller is in an unopened box!
http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Model-M-Space-Saver-Clicky-Keyboard-1392934-NIB_W0QQitemZ280330622580QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item280330622580&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50



I was thinking of biding on these but I don't think I can afford to so thought I would post here to see if anyone else is interested.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline bigpook

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« Reply #1 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 17:31:17 »
Thats awesome. The last one I went for sold for 202.50. I stopped bidding at 200 : (
I really thought someone else was going to snipe it at the last second.
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Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 18:09:26 »
Quote from: bigpook;27343
Thats awesome. The last one I went for sold for 202.50. I stopped bidding at 200 : (
I really thought someone else was going to snipe it at the last second.

I just grabbed one for 56 but it was not a new one which still should be fine as it looked to be very clean. I can't afford to bid on these as I just also purchased a realforce 87U as well so my wallet it a little thin right now :(

EDIT: Actually I'm quite surprised that there has not been much activity on either of these yet considering the how high the one that just closed went. But who knows maybe that knocked out one bidder so you may have a better chance of getting one of these.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline wheel83

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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 18:11:35 »
eff you man .. that one was mine!!! your lucky i forgot about it ... i would have bid up to 87 bucks..
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Offline bigpook

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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 18:21:22 »
Quote from: rdjack21;27347
I just grabbed one for 56 but it was not a new one which still should be fine as it looked to be very clean. I can't afford to bid on these as I just also purchased a realforce 87U as well so my wallet it a little thin right now :(

EDIT: Actually I'm quite surprised that there has not been much activity on either of these yet considering the how high the one that just closed went. But who knows maybe that knocked out one bidder so you may have a better chance of getting one of these.



Getting one at 56 is quite a steal right now, considering the mania that is surrounding the mini's right now.
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Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 20:09:31 »
Quote from: wheel83;27349
eff you man .. that one was mine!!! your lucky i forgot about it ... i would have bid up to 87 bucks..


LOL Sorry about that :) Did not know who I was bidding against but even if you had bid it up I was willing to go higher not much higher though.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline bigpook

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 06 April 2009, 20:09:31 »
Quote from: ripster;27372
I think they are worth every penny.  I bought a NIB one because I'm lazy and am tired of cleaning up Ebay stuff.

But it does make me sad that one of them is going to be sold in an unopened box - implying it may sit for decades unused and unloved.  Kinda like Wall-E.

- Ripster


Not if I get it : )
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Offline FKSSR

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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 08:56:07 »
Quote from: rdjack21;27347
Actually I'm quite surprised that there has not been much activity on either of these yet considering the how high the one that just closed went.


Wait until the last day.  These things will skyrocket, I'm sure.
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Offline rdjack21

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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 09:07:56 »
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Wait until the last day.  These things will skyrocket, I'm sure.


Yea that is what I'm thinking. I'm going to keep an eye on them and see where they go. If they stay below 200 I may try to get one. But I will be surprised if they do especially that  unopened one.
Keyboards
Topre Capacitive: Realforce 87U, Realforce 86U, HHKB Pro 2, Topre MD01B0, Topre HE0100, Sun Short Type, OEM NEO CS (x2), NISSHO Electronics KB106DE
Buckling Spring: IBM Model M Space Saver (1291472), Unicomp Customizer x 2
Cherry Brown: Filco FKBN87M/EB, Compaq MX11800
Black Alps: ABS M1
Not so great boards Rare Spring over dome OKI, Sun rack keyboard

Trackballs - Trackman Wheel (3), Trackman marble (2)
Keyboards I still want to get - Happy Hacking Keyboard Pro 2 the White version, Realforce 23U number pad in black and maybe white, μTRON ergo board with Topre switches.
Previously owned - [size=0]SiiG MiniTouch (White Alps), Scorpius M10 (Blue Cherry), IBM Model M13[/size]

Offline rnak92a

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 14:29:47 »
I'm bidding on both but others will snipe, so I've little chance.  It never hurts to try...

I hope if I don't win one or both of them, another forum member wins the auction(s).

Exactly as iMav covets his last-of-its-kind Unicomp-made 84 key spacesaver, so I covet a NIB 1392934. :D


Both are over $150.00......
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Offline FKSSR

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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 15:08:57 »
Don't these people know how to eBay? You always at least wait until the last day. :)  Otherwise, you never know if there is artificial pumping of the price.
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Offline rnak92a

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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 15:15:34 »
Quote from: FKSSR;27511
Don't these people know how to eBay? You always at least wait until the last day. :)  Otherwise, you never know if there is artificial pumping of the price.

True enough.  Even so, 176 for a NIB mini is a good price--Brandon doesn't even sell them that cheap.

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Offline MANISH7

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 15:26:39 »
Why not purchase a vastly superior NIB White Label Model M (part #1394540) for ~$50 + shipping? Last week another one like this sold for $46.50. Add a mouse bridge for another $20 and this set up trumps the mini.

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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 15:27:39 »
Why not purchase a vastly superior NIB White Label Model M (part #1394540) for ~$50 + shipping? Last week another one like this sold for $46.50. Add a mouse bridge for another $20 and this set up trumps the mini.

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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 07 April 2009, 17:01:53 »
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True enough.  Even so, 176 for a NIB mini is a good price--Brandon doesn't even sell them that cheap.

Cheers,
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They are at 176 right now. These will easily go over 200 before its over.
Is a NIB model m mini worth that price?
I would say yes.
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Offline lal

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 04:59:20 »
Quote from: bigpook;27530
They are at 176 right now. These will easily go over 200 before its over.
Is a NIB model m mini worth that price?
I would say yes.


Definitely! ;)
Just kidding.  But considering the rarity I *would* pay it if I had it.
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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 12:17:49 »
Looks like there's some price pumping going on with the NIB Mini.  These people (1) and (2) are the primary bidders, and their bid history shows they're (likely) in cahoots with the seller.  They are, at the very least, suspicious characters.  Stay away until the last day and hope you can snipe it.  ;):D

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Quote from: Hak Foo
The label says, "World\'s best... guaranteed."

What would happen if I bought one and sent them a nasty letter that read:

"1391401.  I want my money back."
 


Offline FKSSR

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 08 April 2009, 13:12:56 »
Bid pumping definitely happens.  That is why I bid at the last possible moment I can.  Any real bidder should have put their highest bid anyway, so I don't completely understand the anger towards "snipers."  Yeah, it sucks to be outbid at the last second, but that's just the way it goes. :/
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Offline wheel83

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 09 April 2009, 01:23:02 »
man i hope 2009 brings some m15 (from dead people obviously...)
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Offline wheel83

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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 09 April 2009, 11:30:30 »
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Dead by natural causes, I hope?[/


either or haha ... i heard there's a few hiitmen here lmao
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Offline twolf

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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 12 April 2009, 22:50:46 »
Looks like there is a pretty big demand for these things. Unicomp should consider making a spacesaver without the numpad, it would probably be a hot seller.

Offline wheel83

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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 12 April 2009, 23:35:10 »
black "real" space savers with some white text on black keys. mmmmmm.    i think that would be awesome
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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 24 April 2009, 21:04:14 »
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Looks like there's some price pumping going on with the NIB Mini.  These people (1) and (2) are the primary bidders, and their bid history shows they're (likely) in cahoots with the seller.  They are, at the very least, suspicious characters.  Stay away until the last day and hope you can snipe it.  ;):D

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rnak92a,
  There is no price pumping going on.  I don't know why the bidding got so crazy.  It surprised me also.  As far as the 25% you mentioned on the bidders they only had a feedback of 10 so the % is going to go up.  I can honestly state that I don't play that game.  Look at my items that have gone for the opening bid.  I also have people ask me for a buy it now and I don't do that either.
There will also be one more in the sealed box going up and one slightly used with the original box.
Also these are truly from a friends estate, I am just trying to help out his widow by getting rid of a house full of junk to her.
I signed up on this board just to state my side.
Thank you one and all.
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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 24 April 2009, 21:07:31 »
haha nice ^

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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 24 April 2009, 21:09:41 »
Quote from: ripster;85109
Hah, Shouldn't have opened the box on mine.

EBay
IBM Model M Space Saver Clicky Keyboard 1392934 NIB unopened went for $267 + $exorbitant shipping
IBM Model M Space Saver Clicky Keyboard 1392934 NIB opened went for $192.50  + $exorbitant shipping

Anyway, if anyone here won it (I restrained myself) CONGRATS! - you'll love it.

- Ripster
ripster,
 I don't know what happened with the ebay shipping calculator.  I refunded $15.00 on the one going to California and it was double boxed plus insured.  I try to get close with the shipping but some times it gets screwed up in which case I will send a refund.
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« Reply #25 on: Fri, 24 April 2009, 21:21:47 »
Quote from: rnak92a;84255
Looks like there's some price pumping going on with the NIB Mini.  These people (1) and (2) are the primary bidders, and their bid history shows they're (likely) in cahoots with the seller.  They are, at the very least, suspicious characters.  Stay away until the last day and hope you can snipe it.  ;):D

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Now that it is over, I can come clean. I am number 2.
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Offline twolf

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« Reply #26 on: Fri, 24 April 2009, 22:24:47 »
There seems to be quite a few people who really want these things, willing to pay a lot of  money to get them.

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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 24 April 2009, 22:36:10 »
The model m mini is my number one board, right behind it is the HHKB.
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Offline ozar

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« Reply #28 on: Fri, 24 April 2009, 22:39:27 »
Quote from: bigpook;87188
The model m mini is my number one board, right behind it is the HHKB.


I love buckling springs and would like the Model M mini but it's still too big for my own tastes.  I wouldn't mind trying a HHKB Pro2 with buckling springs in it, though.  The small footprint and buckling springs might be pretty near perfect.

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« Reply #29 on: Fri, 24 April 2009, 22:43:49 »
Oh yeah, an HHKB with BS keys would be perfect indeed. Not likely to ever happen though : (
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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 24 April 2009, 22:59:29 »
I didn't realize that I came across as someone who is "shady" or at the very least suspicious. I was just bidding on a keyboard, honest.
Thanks for the pic, ripster... I wish I was that young again.
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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 24 April 2009, 23:52:25 »
I had never thought about judging someone's character by their bid history on ebay, but perhaps there is something to it. :-)

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« Reply #32 on: Sat, 25 April 2009, 00:00:47 »
ripster,
Thank you for the welcome.  My friend was an engineer for Diebold and Interbold.  In case you don't know Interbold it was a joint venture between IBM and Diebold.  I think that Interbold is gone now. He did a lot of work from home.  I was in his computer room a few times.  It was pretty impressive.  I think there are about 9 or 10 computers all tied together with I think about all of the operating systems known then.  He got me hooked on OS2 a few years ago, sorry to say I have gone back to windows now.  Not enough support for OS2.  I will say it is really a far superior system to windows, true multi-tasking. It is a shame that Gates forced out OS2 with his practice of arm bending vendors, just my opinion. I have one of the last machines he built and am using it now.  It has one of those removable hard drive gadgets that locks in the bay,  his room is full of them.
I really don't know why he had 4 of the mini keyboards.  I found them all taped together for shipping from when he got them.  Only one was removed and it looks like it was used very little, I just found it outside the computer room.  My only guess is that he thought he might like them but changed his mind after using the one a little.  There are two more boxes with keyboards in them.  I don't think they are IBM though will have to check next time I go there.  I will be selling the used one and one more in the sealed box in the next week or so.  After the auction of the other two I don't think I will open the box on the last one.  I would have never dreamed those were worth that much.  I have a model M full sized that I am using now and I do love the clicky feel of it.  The only thing I don't like is that it doesn't have the LED's for num, caps, and scroll lock, just a blank panel.
I do have a question about another IBM keyboard.  The part number is 6487683 it was made in Japan and has stamped on it 86.8.27 which I assume means it was built in 1987.  Where the scroll lock led normally is it has sw keyboard, 5085, and PC in green.  It also has a square 6 pin connector.  It has scientific symbols on the front of some of the keys.  I have his PC jr here now and it has the same plug for a keyboard, I wonder if it would be safe to plug it into the jr?
Again thank you for the welcome.
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« Reply #33 on: Sat, 25 April 2009, 06:38:00 »
Quote from: twolf;87202
I had never thought about judging someone's character by their bid history on ebay, but perhaps there is something to it. :-)


I am not giving this much thought. But how do you judge someones chacaracter by their ebay bid history?  I don't see the angles on that.
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« Reply #34 on: Sat, 25 April 2009, 09:31:06 »
Quote from: bigpook;87214
I am not giving this much thought. But how do you judge someones chacaracter by their ebay bid history?  I don't see the angles on that.


I was only being sarcastic as it seems people had concluded you were a suspicious character from your bid history. Sorry for the poor attempt at humor.

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« Reply #35 on: Sat, 25 April 2009, 11:16:00 »
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I was only being sarcastic as it seems people had concluded you were a suspicious character from your bid history. Sorry for the poor attempt at humor.


no problem. its not like ebay is the epitome of virtue and ethics but then again I tend to be over-idealistic. makes for a disappointing existence at times.
Still am curious how one could glean something from a persons bid history. The poster seemed pretty sure of himself when he said it so I was just wondering.
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« Reply #36 on: Sat, 25 April 2009, 22:33:50 »
ripster,
  I hope this works, here should be a couple of pictures.




There is another number on the bottom E57888
The Ctrl key is in green and the right shift key has Sw Keybd printed on the front of it in green.  I assume it means to switch it from 5085 (whatever that is) to PC

This is not for a PC jr,  I just meant it looked like the plug on the back of the PC jr.  I have my friends PC jr here and am checking it out to put on ebay.

georgew
« Last Edit: Sat, 25 April 2009, 22:39:21 by georgew »

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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 26 April 2009, 01:32:51 »
That's one odd connector. It may have been for some sort of terminal. Maybe even to connect directly to a mainframe.
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« Reply #38 on: Sun, 26 April 2009, 02:54:13 »
Quote from: ripster;87340
Definitely not for the PCjr - looks too sophisticated!  Here's a picture of the PCjr keyboard (rev 2) with a keypad.



I found this quote:



I think it must be a terminal board for the 5085, which front-ended a system 370 - I doubt it would ever be usable on a PC.  

- Ripster

I gather you could get an XT with some additional cards that allowed it to work as a crippled 370-- maybe the keyboard was for that market?
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« Reply #39 on: Sun, 26 April 2009, 10:46:46 »
ripster,
"I think it must be a terminal board for the 5085, which front-ended a system 370 - I doubt it would ever be usable on a PC. "

If that is the case then why does it have an led that has PC printed next to it?  And also like I said on the front of the right shift key is printed SW Keybd in green and the ctrl key is also in green.  This keyboard was made in Japan in 86.
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« Reply #40 on: Sun, 26 April 2009, 12:25:59 »
Is the cable removable?
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« Reply #41 on: Sun, 26 April 2009, 14:44:43 »
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Is the cable removable?
No the cable is not removable.  If  it was I would have tried a ps2 cable.
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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 26 April 2009, 16:31:19 »
I have a keyboard that looks exactly like that [marked only 556-712-01 and A110H004451 ] but without the colour key legends; it's a cost-reduced 'board for the RT PCs, either type 6150 or 6151.  The RT was IBM's first RISC machine and is the predecessor to the RS/6000 / iSeries / whatever it was last known as.

Some (earlier?) 'boards for the RT were basically US 101 Enhanced buckling spring things [P/N 1392366 ], resembling the more familiar P/N 1390131, but the right "Control" key is marked Action, and the number pad keys don't have the "num lock off" navigation legends.  Also, the cable (I don't know if it's fixed or not) has that 6-pin AMP MODU connector.

Here's the only pic I have of mine (Laurie's lighting trick isn't available right now):



The keys on these have a nice travel distance, but seem to almost entirely bottom out on actuation (I can't actually tell, since I don't have a RT...).  It's funny that the PCjr is mentioned, since the keyswitch technique looks very similar to that used in the PCjr's later keyboard; see zoOoz... the domes however are IIRC chopped up a bit, and are all black.  This shot of the keys from the inside looks very familiar:



In general, none of the typical IBM over-engineering is present; eight Philips screws hold the back on, and there are a multitude of screws holding the innards to it.  The PCB is simplistic, and the only IC is a mask ROM... no trace of any P/Ns, FRUs or house numbers anywhere.

Anyway...  announcement letter time.

Letter #186-011 - IBM 5085 GRAPHICS PROCESSOR MODEL 1A - MORE STANDARD FEATURES AND FUNCTION FOR THE IBM 5080 GRAPHICS SYSTEM:

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o   Functionally enhanced to be capable of attaching to an IBM RT
    Personal Computer which includes the capability to switch the
    keyboard and 5083 Tablet between the 5085 and the standalone RT
    Personal Computer processor.  The new Graphics keyboard has a
    built-in numeric keypad (with plus, minus, multiply, and divide
    operations for ease of use) and a thin flexible cable for easier
    placement and movement.

...

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FUNCTIONAL ENHANCEMENTS
       New functions in the 5085 model 1A are:
o   A Graphics Keyboard (#4651) (graphics, 3270, personal computer
    functions keyboard). Includes a numeric keypad and 16 dual
    function keys (providing 32 possible program functions).  When
    the 5085 model 1A is connected to the RT Personal Computer, the
    keyboard and the 5083 Tablet can be switched  between either the
    5085 or the RT Personal Computer.

...

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GRAPHICS KEYBOARD (#4651): A low-profile, flexible cable attached
keyboard which can be adjusted easily to either of two surface
inclinations to match the user's preferred hand position. Has 101
keys which may be operated with or without audible feedback.  The
keyboard is arranged in four clusters of keys. Three of them are side
by side (left to right) with the fourth located at the left rear.
The clusters are:
o   58 keys including special standard keys for engineering graphics.
           This keyboard supports Caps Lock. Caps Lock applies only
    to the alphabetic keys in this cluster and Shift Lock applies to
    all keys in this cluster, but only in this cluster rather than
    the total keyboard.
o   10 keys for cursor control, and special functions, such as cancel
    and switch keyboard.
o   17 keys in a keypad arrangement for easy entry of numerics.
o   16 Program Function (PF) Keys arranged in a horizontal row at the
    top of the keyboard.
           In 5080 graphics mode where lighted tops are not required,
    use of upper and lower case shift in conjunction with these 16 PF
    keys allows the PF keys to emulate all 32 keys of the Lighted
    Program Function Keyboard (#4710).  However, nomenclature on this
    keyboard (#4651) does not map identically to the nomenclature
    used on the Alphameric (#4631) and the APL (#4641) keyboards. For
    example PF2 on the new keyboard corresponds to PF3 on the
    Alphameric and APL Keyboards.  Normal PF key function is
    supported in 3270 mode.
       Three indicators on the keyboard provide the following status:
o   Keyboard association status (association with the 5085 or RT
    Personal Computer)
o   Numeric Lock status
o   Caps/Shift Lock status (see note under first key cluster
    description)
       The cable required to attach the keyboard to the 5085 is
flexible and permanently attached to the keyboard.
       Note: #4651 is the only keyboard available for the 5081 model
1A.


How about that?


Of course, this makes me wonder about the original model of the 5085 (letter #183-145) going back to '83:

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      Peripheral Device Features
       Alphameric Keyboard: This feature is a low-profile, cable
attached, EBCDIC typewriter-like keyboard which can be adjusted
easily to any of three surface inclinations matching a user's
preferred hand position.
       The keyboard has 104 keys that may be operated with or
without audible feedback. The key arrangement has four clusters
of keys:
.  10 special function keys.
.  59 keys in QWERTY arrangement, plus special standard keys for
   engineering graphics.
.  11 keys for cursor control and the functions of shifting
   between 5080 graphic and 3270 modes.
.  24 program function keys arranged in two horizontal rows of
   twelve at the top center. (In 5080 graphics mode, these PF
   keys can be used in place of the first 24 lighted program
   function keys if lighted tops aren't required. Normal PF key
   function is supported in 3270 mode.)


Does this layout sound familiar? ;)
ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 26 April 2009, 16:40:13 »
btw, that SGI looks like a implementation of cramming the 122 key 3270 layout on to a 101.  Specter_57 posted a great list of how to map it on to just about any other IBM 'board... http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=84951&postcount=39

I don't know of a sensible reference, but you can check a 1389260 and ignore the custom graphic legends.
ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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« Reply #44 on: Sun, 26 April 2009, 17:13:45 »
re webwit, no I don't.  When I stop trying to do a sufficient amount of other things, I might have a serious go at trying to, though.  As it is, I can type kana phonetically through an IME into Google, which has its occasional uses.
ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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« Reply #45 on: Sun, 26 April 2009, 17:49:50 »
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IN-LINE IMAGE PRESENTATION FEATURE (#0044): Visually displays information
in a forum posting.  Provides the following additional functions:

   o   Consolidates multiple types of content in to a single form;
   o   Pseudo-on topic content having derived as consequence of strict on
       topic discussion;
   o   Off topic content related more to a specific user;
   o   Contradicts previous justifications for lack of additional photography,
       violates ideal principle;
   o   Presentation of material liable to confuse users paying insufficient
       attention;
   o   Decreased efficiency of all users involved.

All regions order Feature Code #0044 for In-Line Image Presentation
Feature except East Sussex; order In-Line Image Presentation Feature
F/C #0793.  Installation by Customer Engineer is mandatory.
Estimated ship date is Q3 2009.  Orders accepted from announcement
date [4/26/2009].


ARC/Chicony KB-5181 XT/AT blue ALPS? 101 US FCC ID E8H51KKB-5181 • AST ASTKB102 AT capacitive rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Cherry G80-2100 AT black Cherry 126 key German ISO unique • Compaq Enhanced III PS/2 unknown rubber dome 102 UK ISO
Datacomp DFK102ARA03 AT 102 blue ALPS? US/Arabic FCC ID blank, S/N 37880001 • Dell AT102W PS/2 Black ALPS 105 UK ISO x2
Fujitsu KFB4725-102 AT membrane rubber dome with spring 105 UK ISO • Hewlett Packard C1405A AT rubber dome 102 UK ISO
IBM 0989705 XT/AT no LEDs Model M 102 US/Arabic  • IBM 1388076 Industrial AT Model M 102 UK ISO
IBM 1389260 3179/3180 Display Station Model M 122 US 3270 x2 • IBM 1391406 PS/2 Model M 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 1397003 PS/2 Model M "Host Connect" emulator 122 German ISO • IBM 71G4643 PS/2 Model M Quiet Touch "Ouch!    Rubber spring" 102 UK ISO x2
IBM 5640987 3178 Display Station Model C2 capacitive buckling spring 87 key US 3270 • IBM 556-712-01 RT PC rubber dome [same as 2nd PCjr kbd?] 101 US
IBM 6450225 PC/AT capacitive buckling spring 84 key UK PC/AT • Lexmark 8125460 Model M2 102 UK ISO
NMB RT-102 117456-002 AT Hi-Tek black, clicky 102 UK ISO • Olivetti ANK 2462 M24 Personal Computer keyboard 2 clicky Olivetti spring module 102 UK unique
Ortek MCK-142Pro AT white ALPS 142 key UK • Sun 540-1006-03 Type unknown linear(?) keyswitch 2 87 key SunType2
Wang 724 725-3771-UK salmon ALPS 110 key UK Wang724 • Making this list hasn\'t half scared me...
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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 28 April 2009, 18:00:09 »
:lol:  Wow.  The seller came into the thread to defend himself.  

I was wrong about bid pumping on those NIB minis.  I apologize to anyone I might have offended.

@bigpook:

I never meant to imply you were of suspect character, shady, a ne'er-do-well, or anything else. I looked at the bid history on both of those 'boards, saw that both persons had bid almost exclusively on other keyboards, and concluded something was amiss. Again, I was wrong, and I'm sorry.

Cheers,
~rn.
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=====================================
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What would happen if I bought one and sent them a nasty letter that read:

"1391401.  I want my money back."
 


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« Reply #47 on: Tue, 28 April 2009, 18:11:04 »
Quote from: rnak92a;87918
:lol:  Wow.  The seller came into the thread to defend himself.  

I was wrong about bid pumping on those NIB minis.  I apologize to anyone I might have offended.

@bigpook:

I never meant to imply you were of suspect character, shady, a ne'er-do-well, or anything else. I looked at the bid history on both of those 'boards, saw that both persons had bid almost exclusively on other keyboards, and concluded something was amiss. Again, I was wrong, and I'm sorry.

Cheers,
~rn.


no problem, not offended. was just curious as to how you arrived at your conclusion. I bid late and people were jacking it by 2 bucks or so.
That pissed me off so I just made my max bid 200. It quieted down after that and ended up selling for 192.
I thought someone would have sniped at the last moment was very surprised when I won it.

I will be the first to say that I don't have a clue as to how to behave/act when bidding for something. I don't really have a strategy and I don't like to haggle. I just am not good at it. I guess it shows in the way I bid.
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« Reply #48 on: Wed, 29 April 2009, 08:03:28 »
Quote from: georgew;87203
I have a model M full sized that I am using now and I do love the clicky feel of it.  The only thing I don't like is that it doesn't have the LED's for num, caps, and scroll lock, just a blank panel.


A 1391401 would have that.

Miniguru thread at GH // The Apple M0110 Today

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« Reply #49 on: Wed, 29 April 2009, 08:05:36 »
Quote from: lowpoly;88057
A 1391401 would have that.
1390120 wouldn't.
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