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Title: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 18 May 2015, 10:23:13
Orders close 20 June. ALL payments due before 5 July.

Groupbuy for Dark PBT Cherry profile full sets. This groupbuy is open to anyone world wide.
All orders will be invoiced in USD and payable in USD. Buyer will be responsible for payment of goods, shipping costs, for all paypal fees, and an additional $5 groupbuy fee. All orders will be sent via USPS. Shipping fees will vary based on what is ordered and it's destination. I will not be liable for uninsured/nontrackable orders damaged or lost during shipping. International orders with insurance/tracking sent via EMS advised for any large orders.
By placing an order you agree to these terms.

Chart of included keys:
(https://i.imgur.com/ijthkfB.jpg)

PRICES: BLANK sets $37 | Printed sets $65

BLANK
(http://i.imgur.com/ztazPFN.jpg)

CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub
(http://i.imgur.com/XJQkoFf.jpg)

Cherry black on black RU dyesub
(http://i.imgur.com/jeRu2Mx.jpg)

Aurebesh:DARKSIDE
(http://i.imgur.com/AN9czTH.jpg)

THE FOLLOWING WILL ALSO BE ON BLACK! I will get around to fixing up the mock ups later, to be used as layout reference only!
Apple BLACK on BLACK dyesub
(http://i.imgur.com/wBiY2Ru.png)

Hangul BLACK on BLACK dyesub
(http://i.imgur.com/kMll7Hp.png)

Japanese BLACK on BLACK dyesub
(http://i.imgur.com/OkgvNj2.png)

Cherry US Int. BLACK on BLACK dyesub
(http://i.imgur.com/dGY408D.png)

Cherry S.Slavic BLACK on BLACK dyesub (sloppy placeholder mock up so sorry  :-[ )
(http://i.imgur.com/C6uaQ8f.jpg)

I will try to get those mock ups to be a better representation eventually.
Here is a picture to give you an idea of what you will be getting
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50935.0;attach=99192;image)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: inanis on Mon, 18 May 2015, 10:31:05
I have wanted these forever. I am so excited! And thank goodness it is open until June 20th...gives me time to prep. I have no idea how I am going to choose just one or two...I want them ALL.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Mon, 18 May 2015, 10:37:16
Are the caps being made by Gateron this time Ivan? Or is that still a little ways off?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 18 May 2015, 10:40:43
Bravo on the inclusion of all the 1800  keys.  What is the stem spacing on the 6x space bar?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 18 May 2015, 10:42:35
Order submitted.

I was able to try out this set at keycon and it was true PBT joy. geniekid showcased the blanks and Joey Quinn had the black on black. I loved them both so much, so I ordered one blank and one US Int. :thumb:

Edit: Also, just FYI, the examples I saw had both scoops AND nibs in case anyone was curious.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: FreeChemicals on Mon, 18 May 2015, 10:43:37
Sweet! Will the R4 1u win/meta-keys have the same print as the 1.25u one?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 18 May 2015, 10:44:30
Yeah, from Gateron. The 6x spacebar is exactly the same as Cherry 6x spacebar. Yes, the 1.5 / 1u mods will have the same legends as the corresponding 1.25 key.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Mon, 18 May 2015, 10:45:58
Yeah, from Gateron. The 6x spacebar is exactly the same as Cherry 6x spacebar.
Awesome! I love the lower prices, and that more keys are included!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 18 May 2015, 10:51:38
Yeah, from Gateron. The 6x spacebar is exactly the same as Cherry 6x spacebar. Yes, the 1.5 / 1u mods will have the same legends as the corresponding 1.25 key.
Ah, so this is a different manufacturer from the last Black on Black group buy? What kind of differences can we expect? Nibs/Scoops/Thickness/etc?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Mon, 18 May 2015, 11:00:45
Yeah, from Gateron. The 6x spacebar is exactly the same as Cherry 6x spacebar. Yes, the 1.5 / 1u mods will have the same legends as the corresponding 1.25 key.
Ah, so this is a different manufacturer from the last Black on Black group buy? What kind of differences can we expect? Nibs/Scoops/Thickness/etc?
Infiniti did an awesome comparison between other various manufacturers and these caps by Gateron here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71690.0).  :D :D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 18 May 2015, 11:32:05
It's the same thing. Just better prices now since dealing with Gaterons source direct instead of middle company.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 18 May 2015, 11:36:01
Are any of the r4 1u keys going to have a "fn" type text?

In the previous round these keys were blank.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Mon, 18 May 2015, 11:40:55
It's the same thing. Just better prices now since dealing with Gaterons source direct instead of middle company.
What's the MOQ for Gateron?  I'm sure there will be lots of interest at these price points.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 18 May 2015, 11:47:10
MOQ is 300 set.
Sure, I can make the extra 1u key be whatever. Fn, a Cherry logo...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 18 May 2015, 11:51:41
So many group buys, my wallet is in pain! I will be getting a set of black on black for sure!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 18 May 2015, 12:18:58
So essentially a rerun of some of the previous rounds. A.k.a. Ivan's Dyesub PBT revisited� (Round 5) :P

Still waiting for my Round 3 set to arrive. I was hoping to put these on an FC660M but I would need to source an extra 2.25x shift key.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 18 May 2015, 12:34:57
It's the same thing. Just better prices now since dealing with Gaterons source direct instead of middle company.
Oh okay yeah that is perfect! :] Thanks Ivan! :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: filphil on Mon, 18 May 2015, 12:44:30
Order submitted!

Is there an MOQ for the japanese set or are all sets under the 300 MOQ?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: HTN47 on Mon, 18 May 2015, 12:46:34
Nice!! Another run  :thumb:
Would be cool to see something like Red + black/white prints on black keys  :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Seranite on Mon, 18 May 2015, 12:48:38
Man that looks really nice...but I've already bought two sets in the past month >.<

Good thing this is open until June 20th.  :p
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 18 May 2015, 12:50:57
Will the sets from round 4 be done by June 20th?

The black on black Apple set looks awesome, but I'd like to see the set from round 4 to make sure. 
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: malcomkern on Mon, 18 May 2015, 13:57:30
Great sets, a must!  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 18 May 2015, 14:01:32
Would love if the 1u r4 key could be a FN key.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: eyesmiles on Mon, 18 May 2015, 14:16:39
I was waiting for a IC for R2 of the dark/black PBT set in hopes for a set in Special Elite font. All good though, in for a Japanese set.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: mason on Mon, 18 May 2015, 15:30:20
Just ordered black on black ;D I have so many keysets in the mail now..
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: newc303 on Mon, 18 May 2015, 15:42:22
Can the Apple typeface use the new San Francisco typeface that's used on the new MacBook?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: hammelgammler on Mon, 18 May 2015, 15:46:39
Just a quick question to the set.
What lettering would the marked keys would have in a normal US dyesub set?

[attach=1]

Just wanted to know wether or not it fits perfect with a 1800 layout.
With blanks there would be only one R2 1u and one R3 1u missing to have a perfect fit for a 1800 layout...

Would it be possible to get those two keys with a blank set?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: ceflame on Mon, 18 May 2015, 16:18:41
Haven't even gotten round 4 yet, but I want another japanese set..
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 18 May 2015, 16:20:59
Haven't even gotten round 4 yet, but I want another japanese set..
Signed up for a Japanese set as well. Looks pretty dope! :cool:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 18 May 2015, 16:23:12
These sets aren't really fit for an 1800... there is not enough row E keys for the nav cluster, or row D -, row C +... and if it's a winkey one the 1u would have wrong legends instead of Ctrl, Alt...

Most likely the 3 'extra' row B 1u keys will be something like menu, Fn, a Cherry logo or something other novelty.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: SL89 on Mon, 18 May 2015, 16:23:38
Excellent news. I will probably be down for Aurebesh and Cherry OG. What is the timeline for this looking like? would i be able to combine shipping with my Cherry '98 order? Thanks Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 18 May 2015, 16:26:11
The previous groupbuy should be done 2 months before this one. Usually production time is around that long, so probably delivery in August?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: hammelgammler on Mon, 18 May 2015, 16:34:42
And whats with that blank set?
As i said it should only need one R2 1u and one R3 1u to fit it doesn't it?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 18 May 2015, 16:36:47
These sets aren't really fit for an 1800... there is not enough row E keys for the nav cluster, or row D -, row C +... and if it's a winkey one the 1u would have wrong legends instead of Ctrl, Alt...

Most likely the 3 'extra' row B 1u keys will be something like menu, Fn, a Cherry logo or something other novelty.


Good point.  I was trying to use it as shorthand for the short shift, offset caps, 6x space, 1x 0 and whatnot.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: a-c on Mon, 18 May 2015, 16:37:42
Is the R4 1.75u a shift key?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: SL89 on Mon, 18 May 2015, 16:38:49
The previous groupbuy should be done 2 months before this one. Usually production time is around that long, so probably delivery in August?

The previous Black on Black or the Black on White GB? You have so many i get confused  :confused: lol
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Vintage on Mon, 18 May 2015, 16:51:27
wow... Gateron making pbt keycaps  :eek:

GLWB, Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: beltet on Mon, 18 May 2015, 17:29:04
Great price!
Will think about the US int. kit. Even if I don't like black caps.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Ngt on Mon, 18 May 2015, 17:31:54
Ivan, the king of the keycaps group buy. Are you addicted to the organisation of GB?  :p
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Norman_the_Owl on Mon, 18 May 2015, 18:25:23
Oh man, i don't even need it but for that price...

There won't be a problem selling to me even though i'm new, i hope?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Mon, 18 May 2015, 18:27:18
Oh man, i don't even need it but for that price...

There won't be a problem selling to me even though i'm new, i hope?
Nope, new members are welcome to join group buys!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Cottonsox on Mon, 18 May 2015, 18:30:06
oh my, i will be in again for sure!

My Blank set is amazing and will be getting more!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Norman_the_Owl on Mon, 18 May 2015, 19:36:24
Oh man, i don't even need it but for that price...

There won't be a problem selling to me even though i'm new, i hope?
Nope, new members are welcome to join group buys!

Awesome, thanks
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: TheMadcap on Mon, 18 May 2015, 20:49:53
65$ for a keyset is too much for me, otherwise I would definetely go with Aurebesh:DARKSIDE set.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: strict on Mon, 18 May 2015, 20:58:07
65$ for a keyset is too much for me, otherwise I would definetely go with Aurebesh:DARKSIDE set.

65 is a steal for a thick cherry profile PBT keyset like this. Pretty much all keysets ever made are/were more expensive than this other than cheap TaoBao junk.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 18 May 2015, 21:07:25
Has anyone compared these to the Leopold pbt caps sold by widebasket?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 18 May 2015, 21:08:25
65$ for a keyset is too much for me, otherwise I would definetely go with Aurebesh:DARKSIDE set.
65 is a steal for a thick cherry profile PBT keyset like this. Pretty much all keysets ever made are/were more expensive than this other than cheap TaoBao junk.
Indeed. With the exception of thin ABS or thin Taobao PBT keycaps everything else is much more expensive.
Dolch (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58608.0) was $110 for the base set and Macross DSA (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54334) was close to $150 for an entire set.
Even the previous (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0) Black on Black set was $75.

Not knocking you if you simply cannot afford it btw. Just saying that for thick PBT keycaps these are really cheap. :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: hrinfinity on Mon, 18 May 2015, 22:04:56
Just when I thought my wallet was safe.. I swapped out my Hangul set at the last minute in the PBT4 group buy, but now I'm committing!! Black on black is too good to pass up.

TY Ivan! (for the second opportunity :) )
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: crayzieap on Mon, 18 May 2015, 22:17:43
Wow!  The Darkside fonts looks so good and futuristics.  Would look amazing with the matching !
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: daerid on Tue, 19 May 2015, 01:42:37
Ordered. Can't pass up that Aurabesh set :-o
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Grrizz on Tue, 19 May 2015, 03:01:02
Love black on black, definitely keen to pick some of these up when I get my finances sorted in the next few days but I notice the Aurebesh brackets are backwards, any chance of having those fixed on the ordered caps?

Edit: Never mind, the direction seems to flip flop depending on the reference, IDK which way is the proper way anymore :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Evo_Spec on Tue, 19 May 2015, 03:36:30
Damn that Japanese black on black is appealing....
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: animal on Tue, 19 May 2015, 05:28:32
Is there any chance we can get a 1x6.5 spacebar for us Corsair etc owners?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: db268 on Tue, 19 May 2015, 07:08:37
Is it possible to include a second 2.25 Shift key for Leopold FC660M users? Are any of those spacebars compatible with Leopold?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 19 May 2015, 07:50:20
I can't miss out of this. Submitted for 1 Aurebesh and 1 Japanese set. What an intense year for keycaps.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Ngt on Tue, 19 May 2015, 08:01:01
I can't miss out of this. Submitted for 1 Aurebesh and 1 Japanese set. What an intense year for keycaps.


That's the truth coming out of your mouth right there! :D Tough year for the wallet!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Dihedral on Tue, 19 May 2015, 10:15:40
This is one cool looking keyset
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 19 May 2015, 13:15:43
Bravo on the inclusion of all the 1800  keys.  What is the stem spacing on the 6x space bar?

Sorry just to clarify, I don't believe there's a 1u num pad + or proper profile nav keys. That said the included keys are awesome!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 19 May 2015, 13:38:43
would i be able to combine shipping with my Cherry '98 order? Thanks Ivan.

The previous groupbuy should be done 2 months before this one. Usually production time is around that long, so probably delivery in August?

So does this mean if we are willing to wait a little longer you would combine this one with our R4 orders so there are no extra shipping costs?

If yes, I'll probably order an US International set :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 19 May 2015, 14:54:30
They don't have 6.5 size, so no... but a 6.25 size fit just with some small gap between the alt keys. Other key won't be added, or substitutions either.
Sorry, but I am not going to hold items from multiple buys to combine ship anymore. It creates problems for me with storing stuff and keeping track of everything.
This buy is open to anyone. It makes no difference to me how long you have been a forum member... or even if you are a forum member at all.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: six_chains on Tue, 19 May 2015, 19:33:26
so goood.
how much is the priority upgrade?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Tigermelon on Tue, 19 May 2015, 23:59:28
AURABESH... Also curious how much express shipping costs
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 20 May 2015, 00:32:12
argh my wallet... ivan stahp
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 20 May 2015, 09:31:12
For those curious about shipping costs, please visit the USPS postage calculator (http://postcalc.usps.com/). Each set weighs approximately 7oz.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Dee1 on Wed, 20 May 2015, 09:42:24
Gaterons! I'm keen to try these out, and I love the black-on-black look too much to not join this! :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: SL89 on Wed, 20 May 2015, 09:46:16
For those curious about shipping costs, please visit the USPS postage calculator (http://postcalc.usps.com/). Each set weighs approximately 7oz.
Oh that's not so bad. Thanks for the tool.

Ik this is off topic but maybe after Dark Wave we can get some Super Beige action? Or a crazy Gateron / Desko combination? Agh, I'm getting ahead of myself. Don't mind be!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Shadovved on Wed, 20 May 2015, 11:00:31
I'm really curious if this is really from Gateron.

Because they don't have the 300 pieces MOQ rule...

PS: that chart with all the key sizes for Gateron caps was created by someone else, I'll suggest you cite the source and thank the person who made it (not me)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 20 May 2015, 12:30:30
This very deep grey / light black isn't a stock color, so as far as I understand it the MOQ is higher for custom colors.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: swornxin on Wed, 20 May 2015, 14:05:38
Missed out on the last one for these.  I was thinking about getting on the JTK buy, but I have WoB sets already.  I'm thinking that this is taking it's place.  And also a space that fits Leopolds?  Awesome!

EDIT:  Ordered  :cool:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Shadovved on Wed, 20 May 2015, 17:54:00
This very deep grey / light black isn't a stock color, so as far as I understand it the MOQ is higher for custom colors.

You haven't gotten any samples or anything before running the GB?

I'll go poke Gateron about this, the price you are getting sounds way too high for their blank and dyesub sets.

I'll see if I can get everyone lowered prices.

Unless you don't want me to go poke Gateron about it?

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Data on Wed, 20 May 2015, 19:43:01
Are there any more photos of these floating around?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: sneaky0 on Wed, 20 May 2015, 21:24:45
Is the 6u space bar center stem centered?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: jimbo21223 on Wed, 20 May 2015, 22:56:27
Are there any plans to have a group buy for different colored keys? Specifically white ones.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: jimbo21223 on Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:00:11
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Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: jimbo21223 on Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:01:56
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Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Cottonsox on Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:02:09
So how close will these be to your last round in color? I am a bit confused is they are from the same source or not.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:20:13
It's the exact same thing as last time (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0). There are a bunch of pictures of sets in there, start at the end and work back.
I deal with imsto, these are the prices I am given.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Cottonsox on Thu, 21 May 2015, 00:03:03
It's the exact same thing as last time (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0). There are a bunch of pictures of sets in there, start at the end and work back.
I deal with imsto, these are the prices I am given.

Thanks for the clarification!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Ngt on Thu, 21 May 2015, 04:00:23
This very deep grey / light black isn't a stock color, so as far as I understand it the MOQ is higher for custom colors.

You haven't gotten any samples or anything before running the GB?

I'll go poke Gateron about this, the price you are getting sounds way too high for their blank and dyesub sets.

I'll see if I can get everyone lowered prices.

Unless you don't want me to go poke Gateron about it?


You could still see how much you would get from them as you are now a Very Important Customer with your 100K gaterons switches! :D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Shadovved on Thu, 21 May 2015, 04:44:57
It's the exact same thing as last time (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0). There are a bunch of pictures of sets in there, start at the end and work back.
I deal with imsto, these are the prices I am given.

Well. Talked to Gateron. They don't wanna undercut imsto, so I'll not reveal the price, but they have allowed me to run the other colors (blanks and dyesubs) for cheaps.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 21 May 2015, 06:01:28
Is the 6u space bar center stem centered?
I don't think the 6u spacebar is center-stemmed. It doesn't look that way from the pictures I saw.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I wanted to use this for my infinity board.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: TBone on Thu, 21 May 2015, 08:36:27
It's the exact same thing as last time (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0). There are a bunch of pictures of sets in there, start at the end and work back.
I deal with imsto, these are the prices I am given.
So excited. Sold my set on that GB due to wanting another set, but I'll be in on this one for sure!  :thumb:

So are we getting the exact same color? Won't this be slightly different since the new manufacturer has to test the color and do tests before the color is right? Or is Plum sharing the color/plastic formula with Gateron? With Plum that took months, what kind of guarantee can we expect with Gateron? If any?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Ngt on Thu, 21 May 2015, 09:47:07
It's the exact same thing as last time (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0). There are a bunch of pictures of sets in there, start at the end and work back.
I deal with imsto, these are the prices I am given.

Well. Talked to Gateron. They don't wanna undercut imsto, so I'll not reveal the price, but they have allowed me to run the other colors (blanks and dyesubs) for cheaps.
Regarding the color, are you referring to the first IC you did with the clear top but that you dropped due to not enough interest?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: midnightmare on Thu, 21 May 2015, 10:21:46
Is there way to get the 6.25u spacebar with only the center and outermost stems?  I've got a Novatouch and I don't think the spacebar will fit :[  I believe the spacebar from this will be the 2nd one from the top in this pic, can anyone confirm? (http://i.imgur.com/tVcsP1O.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: KaLam1ty on Thu, 21 May 2015, 12:00:40
So glad you're doing another run of these Ivan.

Any hopes for a extended 'modifier' set? I'd love to purchase a set that contains an R3 1.75u Backspace and R4 1.25u CapsLock.
I'm sure there are a lot of other people who are interested in things like a R3 Ctrl, Meta/Alt Gr, etc. keys as well.

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Shadovved on Thu, 21 May 2015, 17:46:31
It's the exact same thing as last time (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0). There are a bunch of pictures of sets in there, start at the end and work back.
I deal with imsto, these are the prices I am given.

Well. Talked to Gateron. They don't wanna undercut imsto, so I'll not reveal the price, but they have allowed me to run the other colors (blanks and dyesubs) for cheaps.
Regarding the color, are you referring to the first IC you did with the clear top but that you dropped due to not enough interest?

Yes. And they provide dyesubs too..... So I'll run the blanks first, and find out more about their dyesubs.

Probably run dyesubs after the blanks
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: HTN47 on Thu, 21 May 2015, 17:55:27
It's the exact same thing as last time (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0). There are a bunch of pictures of sets in there, start at the end and work back.
I deal with imsto, these are the prices I am given.

Well. Talked to Gateron. They don't wanna undercut imsto, so I'll not reveal the price, but they have allowed me to run the other colors (blanks and dyesubs) for cheaps.

Regarding the color, are you referring to the first IC you did with the clear top but that you dropped due to not enough interest?

Yes. And they provide dyesubs too..... So I'll run the blanks first, and find out more about their dyesubs.

Probably run dyesubs after the blanks

Whoo!! can't wait for the dyesubs!!  :D
Would you consider doing something along the line of red prints on black keys? Something similar to the sanctuary set would be amazing  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 21 May 2015, 18:23:59
Ordered!!! Thanks for running this again so soon!!!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: rsadek on Thu, 21 May 2015, 18:50:38
Would love if the 1u r4 key could be a FN key.


Same here! I love the set, but it doesn't seem like it can support an HHKB-ish layout (split right shift +1u, and Backspace above return, 2x1u above that). Or am I mistaken? I hope I'm mistaken :p
-R
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 21 May 2015, 18:55:23
Perhaps I will make some sort of HHKB/Unix layout option for next time.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Grrizz on Thu, 21 May 2015, 20:21:28
@Ivan: I noticed on the last run you did it looks like the 1u winkeys in the dyesub sets were left blank, will it be the same with these ones? or would it be possible to get the 1u keys dyesubed too? I love the Aurebesh set but it'd be great to have he imperial logos on the 1u winkeys too.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 21 May 2015, 20:30:15
yes for sure... they should have been as such last time actually.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: nukec on Thu, 21 May 2015, 22:04:59
37$ for blank is bargain son.

I'm in
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Grrizz on Fri, 22 May 2015, 01:34:20
yes for sure... they should have been as such last time actually.

Awesome :D Just waiting on my next pay check now ;)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 22 May 2015, 05:28:10
It's the exact same thing as last time (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0). There are a bunch of pictures of sets in there, start at the end and work back.
I deal with imsto, these are the prices I am given.

Well. Talked to Gateron. They don't wanna undercut imsto, so I'll not reveal the price, but they have allowed me to run the other colors (blanks and dyesubs) for cheaps.
Regarding the color, are you referring to the first IC you did with the clear top but that you dropped due to not enough interest?

Yes. And they provide dyesubs too..... So I'll run the blanks first, and find out more about their dyesubs.

Probably run dyesubs after the blanks


Will offer the same color or are you intending on adding some more?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Shadovved on Fri, 22 May 2015, 06:59:37
It's the exact same thing as last time (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0). There are a bunch of pictures of sets in there, start at the end and work back.
I deal with imsto, these are the prices I am given.

Well. Talked to Gateron. They don't wanna undercut imsto, so I'll not reveal the price, but they have allowed me to run the other colors (blanks and dyesubs) for cheaps.
Regarding the color, are you referring to the first IC you did with the clear top but that you dropped due to not enough interest?

Yes. And they provide dyesubs too..... So I'll run the blanks first, and find out more about their dyesubs.

Probably run dyesubs after the blanks


Will offer the same color or are you intending on adding some more?

They only have the current colours for blanks, but for dyesubs I'm sure our font colours can be more varied.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 22 May 2015, 07:59:13
It's the exact same thing as last time (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0). There are a bunch of pictures of sets in there, start at the end and work back.
I deal with imsto, these are the prices I am given.

Well. Talked to Gateron. They don't wanna undercut imsto, so I'll not reveal the price, but they have allowed me to run the other colors (blanks and dyesubs) for cheaps.
Regarding the color, are you referring to the first IC you did with the clear top but that you dropped due to not enough interest?

Yes. And they provide dyesubs too..... So I'll run the blanks first, and find out more about their dyesubs.

Probably run dyesubs after the blanks


Will offer the same color or are you intending on adding some more?

They only have the current colours for blanks, but for dyesubs I'm sure our font colours can be more varied.
OK thank you for your answer.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: vindaon on Fri, 22 May 2015, 10:59:33
In for a US Int. and RU set :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: naokira on Fri, 22 May 2015, 11:13:58
Okay I gather enough courage to say this...

Can they do an ISO enter? *hides in the corner
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 22 May 2015, 12:02:15
I've been told they are working on getting ISO enter done, but it's not available right now. Maybe next time we can have it.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: TBone on Fri, 22 May 2015, 13:17:56
Will these be scoops and nubs? Just like the last set? Arghhh I wish I ordered the last set with text. I only got the blank so I sold it, but this does look like a better deal and quicker (since Plum isn't involved :D )
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: TBone on Fri, 22 May 2015, 13:19:11
Also this is a set from the previous run:
(http://i.imgur.com/1znZrym.jpg)

So pumped.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 22 May 2015, 14:00:03
Too many keycaps at the same time damn! I'll think this through if I should order it or not.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Norman_the_Owl on Fri, 22 May 2015, 14:12:46
In for 1 blank, looks gorgeous. Wish i could get some more!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 22 May 2015, 14:31:11
YES IT WILL BE 100% the exact same thing as the last one.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 23 May 2015, 07:51:40
YES IT WILL BE 100% the exact same thing as the last one.

Does this apply to the tight fit of the caps as well?

I'll probably never remove my set, because I am afraid I might damage my switches :p
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 23 May 2015, 08:44:11
I've wanted a RU/Cyrillic set for so long. Only my second group buy as well haha.

Thanks Ivan!

Edit: I've asked for express/priority shipping, but if it's over like $50 then I will just have normal shipping hah.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 23 May 2015, 11:58:54
It's expensive for international Priority... but not THAT expensive. It wouldn't cost that much unless order many sets to push the weight pricing tier up.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 23 May 2015, 12:21:02
It's expensive for international Priority... but not THAT expensive. It wouldn't cost that much unless order many sets to push the weight pricing tier up.

Oh ok, I was just getting scared at the rates that I had managed to bring up on the website being over $60! O.O
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 23 May 2015, 12:33:27
Nah, it's like $25... $60 must be for the 3 day.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 23 May 2015, 12:39:02
Nah, it's like $25... $60 must be for the 3 day.

That's fine by me :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: grandtheftspaceman on Sat, 23 May 2015, 20:35:09
In for US black on black  :cool:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Vinnnie on Sun, 24 May 2015, 06:47:14
In for thar Aurebesh set :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: gridMENSCH on Sun, 24 May 2015, 13:26:34
Does the blank or the black on black US set come with a stepped caps-lock? I seem to have a weird mental issue where that is important to me. Thanks!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: swornxin on Sun, 24 May 2015, 15:34:17

Does the blank or the black on black US set come with a stepped caps-lock? I seem to have a weird mental issue where that is important to me. Thanks!

Yup, first image in the OP.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: sbot1101 on Mon, 25 May 2015, 08:12:37
well you got me again Ivan.
I'm going to need more keyboards to house all these lovely caps.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: Moonshinedawg on Mon, 25 May 2015, 21:22:10
This set looks so nice. When would it be getting shipped?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: SuperSumo on Tue, 26 May 2015, 00:11:04
I placed an order for a black on black set and a blank set. I'm quite excited!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 26 May 2015, 04:26:34
We're good, so I am starting to send out invoices now. Orders will still remain open until 20 June.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: dimmu on Tue, 26 May 2015, 04:32:57
oh man, i want these so bad but i want to get at least 4 sets, cyrillic, slavic, hangul, international and it starts hurting my wallet at that point.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 26 May 2015, 04:42:43
Paaaaaid :)

love dat RU set.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: dakuzo on Tue, 26 May 2015, 06:29:18
Paid, thanks for another round!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: grandtheftspaceman on Tue, 26 May 2015, 06:52:09
Aaaaand paid!  :D

sidenote: AUD<->USD exchange rate makes me sad... :(
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: GoatMaster on Tue, 26 May 2015, 07:19:21
Wow thanks for another round.
 
I joind it!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: beehatch on Tue, 26 May 2015, 08:19:15
Just submitted my order, I couldn't resist this set any longer :)

Thanks Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: sbot1101 on Tue, 26 May 2015, 08:57:22
Paid :D
My Aurebesh:DARKSIDE came up as "Dark PBT PRINTED keyset-Description (optional)" but I'm hoping you know what's what?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Dee1 on Tue, 26 May 2015, 09:20:20
Paid my invoice. :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 26 May 2015, 12:49:23
Yeah, all printed set have same price, so I didn't bother making difference on the invoice. I have the order sheet for that.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: nickheller on Tue, 26 May 2015, 14:04:23
Really wish Unicomp could come out with a black on black set like this.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 26 May 2015, 16:12:13
What are the "texts" that are going to be on the single keys that are circled below?

(http://i.imgur.com/ECqKEFB.jpg)

I'm asking because I know it was blank on the previous GB. Are they "fn", "win", etc?

Thanks.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: rsadek on Tue, 26 May 2015, 16:51:35
Perhaps I will make some sort of HHKB/Unix layout option for next time.


Does that mean HHKB folks should wait until next time?  :'(
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Norman_the_Owl on Tue, 26 May 2015, 18:39:09
Paid, looking forward to receiving! :) Gonna be a killer wait
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Defying on Tue, 26 May 2015, 21:38:52
paid :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: sneaky0 on Wed, 27 May 2015, 07:49:10
Ivan, is it possible to buy a set and individual keys from another set?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 27 May 2015, 10:03:16
Ivan, is it possible to buy a set and individual keys from another set?

Don't count on it.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 27 May 2015, 10:42:34
What are the "texts" that are going to be on the single keys that are circled below?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ECqKEFB.jpg)


I'm asking because I know it was blank on the previous GB. Are they "fn", "win", etc?

Thanks.

2x Windows/logo, menu, fn, blank.

Ivan, is it possible to buy a set and individual keys from another set?

No.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: goodforwhat on Wed, 27 May 2015, 10:56:32
Paid! Thank you.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: cuongcan2020 on Wed, 27 May 2015, 11:24:07
Paid  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: AgentNate on Wed, 27 May 2015, 18:11:20
Paid! No way I'm passing up that Aurebesh set  :D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: unipsykal on Fri, 29 May 2015, 21:50:13
Order placed!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: nukec on Sat, 30 May 2015, 05:37:28
Whats the difference between these and vortex pbt black?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Acerk on Sat, 30 May 2015, 07:09:27
Whats the difference between these and vortex pbt black?
This thread has comparisons with GMK, Vortex, BSP etc.; Gateron Blank PBT Key Caps, Cherry Profile (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71690.0)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Blackhawk on Sat, 30 May 2015, 07:13:30
When is the payment deadline? I have some money coming in, and would love to spend some of it on a set :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: nukec on Sat, 30 May 2015, 16:47:33
Ok I'm taking these over vortex. Btw someone has pics of  blanks?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Acerk on Sun, 31 May 2015, 03:31:40
Ok I'm taking these over vortex. Btw someone has pics of  blanks?
There are plenty of pictures on the last pages of PBT 104/105 set ROUND 3 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.2460). Here are some pictures with Vortex PBT Blank Cherry so you can see the difference; http://imgur.com/gallery/GAFiJ/new (http://imgur.com/gallery/GAFiJ/new)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 31 May 2015, 09:58:00
Deadline is 20 June. I just start invoicing now so I can take it easy instead of doing hundreds all on the same day. If you want to pay it now, that is great. If you need to wait some weeks that is fine.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Blackhawk on Sun, 31 May 2015, 12:56:33
Order placed! Thanks for doing another round.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: JaccoW on Sun, 31 May 2015, 13:14:55
Crosspost (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.msg1760163#msg1760163) from the Round 3 thread:
(http://i.imgur.com/zAT1jJml.jpg) (http://imgur.com/zAT1jJm)
(http://i.imgur.com/v4bWo9Bl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/v4bWo9B)
(http://i.imgur.com/PU9gdMtl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/PU9gdMt)
(http://i.imgur.com/SMEG25tl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/SMEG25t)

That's the kind of colour and detail you can expect from these sets. The dyesub looks very sharp.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: nickheller on Sun, 31 May 2015, 14:30:40
Show Image
Show Image
Show Image
Crosspost (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.msg1760163#msg1760163) from the Round 3 thread:
(http://i.imgur.com/zAT1jJml.jpg) (http://imgur.com/zAT1jJm)

(http://i.imgur.com/v4bWo9Bl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/v4bWo9B)

(http://i.imgur.com/PU9gdMtl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/PU9gdMt)

(http://i.imgur.com/SMEG25tl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/SMEG25t)

That's the kind of colour and detail you can expect from these sets. The dyesub looks very sharp.

That is the Cherry US layout correct?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: JaccoW on Sun, 31 May 2015, 14:36:19
Show Image
Show Image
Show Image
Crosspost (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.msg1760163#msg1760163) from the Round 3 thread:
(http://i.imgur.com/zAT1jJml.jpg) (http://imgur.com/zAT1jJm)

(http://i.imgur.com/v4bWo9Bl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/v4bWo9B)

(http://i.imgur.com/PU9gdMtl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/PU9gdMt)

(http://i.imgur.com/SMEG25tl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/SMEG25t)

That's the kind of colour and detail you can expect from these sets. The dyesub looks very sharp.

That is the Cherry US layout correct?
Yes it is. You can see the legends a lot better if you click the image and open it in full resolution.
And I believe this buy even includes a few extra keys.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: nickheller on Sun, 31 May 2015, 14:44:48
Show Image
Show Image
Show Image
Crosspost (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.msg1760163#msg1760163) from the Round 3 thread:
(http://i.imgur.com/zAT1jJml.jpg) (http://imgur.com/zAT1jJm)

(http://i.imgur.com/v4bWo9Bl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/v4bWo9B)

(http://i.imgur.com/PU9gdMtl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/PU9gdMt)

(http://i.imgur.com/SMEG25tl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/SMEG25t)

That's the kind of colour and detail you can expect from these sets. The dyesub looks very sharp.

That is the Cherry US layout correct?
Yes it is. You can see the legends a lot better if you click the image and open it in full resolution.
And I believe this buy even includes a few extra keys.

I just wanted to make sure I selected the right set.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Moonshinedawg on Sun, 31 May 2015, 18:52:09
When would this be shipping?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sun, 31 May 2015, 21:11:24
I'm considering buying into this after receiving my first set, I'm really liking these caps.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: homiechicken on Mon, 01 June 2015, 00:54:53
Submitted my first GB  ;D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Evo_Spec on Mon, 01 June 2015, 00:59:58
Submitted my first GB  ;D

Welcome to GH!

Nice first purchase!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Seranite on Mon, 01 June 2015, 08:18:07
I could wait no longer, finally submitted my order...I've got 4 different sets on the way now.   :-X
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: mattrox217 on Mon, 01 June 2015, 15:17:09
Paid today! Really looking forward to these. It will be my first GH GB and my first full set of non-stock caps!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Seranite on Mon, 01 June 2015, 15:44:45
Paid today! Really looking forward to these. It will be my first GH GB and my first full set of non-stock caps!

You chose well for your first, I don't think these will ever go out of style.  ;)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: telnet on Mon, 01 June 2015, 18:17:46
Were there issues with the 7u space bar in the last round of production?
Will they be fixed this round?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: mattrox217 on Tue, 02 June 2015, 06:07:48
Quote
You chose well for your first, I don't think these will ever go out of style.  ;)

Thats the plan! Now to find a couple cool modifiers or artisans to make my pok3r personal.  ;D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: starscream on Tue, 02 June 2015, 06:20:00
Those DARKSIDE keys are amazing
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: TBone on Tue, 02 June 2015, 10:09:28
Were there issues with the 7u space bar in the last round of production?
Will they be fixed this round?

From what I've heard, some shrunk more than others. Still, I feel that the vendor should have stricter QC if they sell these sets with the 7u spacebar.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: cinnamoncider on Tue, 02 June 2015, 21:41:17
Are the Blank Black and Black on Black dyesub same with the previous groupbuy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50935.0)?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: vickvohoang on Tue, 02 June 2015, 23:03:27
Does the Apple's legend the same as the original?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: telnet on Wed, 03 June 2015, 02:15:30
Were there issues with the 7u space bar in the last round of production?
Will they be fixed this round?

From what I've heard, some shrunk more than others. Still, I feel that the vendor should have stricter QC if they sell these sets with the 7u spacebar.

Hopefully Ivan can chime in.  I want to get two sets, but if the 7u spacebar doesn't fit then the sets are useless for me.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 03 June 2015, 10:57:12
7x spacebar should fit... but there is a chance you may be unlucky with shrinkage. I will do what I can to deal with defects.

Apple set is modeled mostly off the AEK board, use same font.

Yes, the black sets are the same from the prior round.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: jvarg on Wed, 03 June 2015, 19:15:34
Any chance for an additional 2.25x shift key in the future? Looking to deck out a FC660, but that's the only key that'd be missing.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 04 June 2015, 18:35:20
Were there any ISO kits produced in the previous round of this?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 05 June 2015, 09:30:13
No, ISO enter is not available yet. Perhaps ISO enter tooling will be finished and ready for the next round.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: vindaon on Sat, 06 June 2015, 10:46:06
Paid! In for a RU set. :thumb: Thanks for making this happen Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: ayybee on Sat, 06 June 2015, 14:28:15
This is my first group buy, what do I do after select the group buy?

I haven't gotten an email, did I accidentally put the wrong email? Or do I have to wait for something?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: vindaon on Sat, 06 June 2015, 14:32:21
This is my first group buy, what do I do after select the group buy?

I haven't gotten an email, did I accidentally put the wrong email? Or do I have to wait for something?

Just wait and you should get a paypal invoice sooner or later.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: ayybee on Sat, 06 June 2015, 14:51:33
is there any difference between this and the massdrop drop going on right now https://www.massdrop.com/buy/blank-pbt-keycaps?mode=guest_open

since they're both made by gateron?

besides the color of course.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 06 June 2015, 16:04:09
Difference, color choice and no option for dyesub printed sets on Massdrop.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: MarkRobbo on Sat, 06 June 2015, 18:38:47
Can I get a quote on UK shipping for a set?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: ayybee on Sat, 06 June 2015, 19:15:53
Can I get a quote on UK shipping for a set?

thank you for making this group buy and helping me out, but I ended up going for the massdrop ones. the milk color looks nice to me. thanks again.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: chancellorr on Sat, 06 June 2015, 19:39:47
I decided the bite the bullet and participate in my first group by. Love those black blanks.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: nukec on Sun, 07 June 2015, 17:18:01
Paid
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Grrizz on Sun, 07 June 2015, 19:31:03
Can I get a quote on UK shipping for a set?

thank you for making this group buy and helping me out, but I ended up going for the massdrop ones. the milk color looks nice to me. thanks again.

You might want to cancel that order ;)

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=72609.0
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: zenless on Mon, 08 June 2015, 11:15:34
Keycap sets will outnumber my keyboards almost 3:1 but put in an order...  :-X
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: lasttycoon on Mon, 08 June 2015, 15:09:01
I really want the Black on Black. Such a cool look. Blows a lot of the SA custom sets out of the water IMO due to understated minimalism.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: sairex on Mon, 08 June 2015, 19:39:19
Just paid! Thanks for setting up the gb!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: 1swt2gs on Mon, 08 June 2015, 20:14:01
This is my first time ordering off geekhack and more specifically a group buy as I am relatively new and just getting into mechanical keyboards! Hopefully someone can answer some questions.

Are you charging shipping after or how will shipping work? I want the blank black set which is $37+$5 dollar groupbuy fee.

And lastly, I am moving 1st of July). Will the keycaps come before then?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: TBone on Tue, 09 June 2015, 08:36:35
This is my first time ordering off geekhack and more specifically a group buy as I am relatively new and just getting into mechanical keyboards! Hopefully someone can answer some questions.

Are you charging shipping after or how will shipping work? I want the blank black set which is $37+$5 dollar groupbuy fee.

And lastly, I am moving 1st of July). Will the keycaps come before then?

Thanks in advance!

Ivan will give you one invoice (unless a special scenario arises) with a total cost including shipping to your location.

It won't come before then, most likely much later. But you can give Ivan that address in your original order, and then PM him your updated address once you move. I move between my school address and home address and bug him with address changes a few times a year and it's never an issue.

Welcome to GH!  :D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 09 June 2015, 11:17:15
No, ISO enter is not available yet. Perhaps ISO enter tooling will be finished and ready for the next round.

Might have to hang around and get an ISO set when the next round comes along.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Mabase on Tue, 09 June 2015, 22:21:21
First purchase off geekhack..

Looking forward to these caps
 :cool:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 09 June 2015, 22:29:08
Order placed. This is my first GH GB! Looking forward to these unique and durable keycaps. I think the thick PBT will sound really nice on my Topre clone, Royal Kludge RC930 <3
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: telnet on Wed, 10 June 2015, 01:48:10
Hey Ivan:

In the order form it says extra cost for express shipping with insurance. 
For an order to Canada, will the standard shipping have tracking and insurance?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: beltet on Wed, 10 June 2015, 02:51:28
The chart of including keys is broken. Wondering what mods that will be included.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: vindaon on Wed, 10 June 2015, 08:35:37
The chart of including keys is broken. Wondering what mods that will be included.


Same as the one in Shadovveds GB

(https://i.imgur.com/ijthkfB.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 10 June 2015, 08:46:06
Hey Ivan:

In the order form it says extra cost for express shipping with insurance. 
For an order to Canada, will the standard shipping have tracking and insurance?

For international first class, some countries are better than others at carrying over the tracking number into their system. Many countries tracking goes dead after leaving US customs. Canada is usually fairly decent about keeping the tracking, but does not always. No insurance is included on any first class rates.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: lasttycoon on Wed, 10 June 2015, 13:27:19
The chart of including keys is broken. Wondering what mods that will be included.


Same as the one in Shadovveds GB

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ijthkfB.jpg)

I love the added layout compatibility. I have a standard keyboard but this makes future keyswaping a breeze!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: nickheller on Wed, 10 June 2015, 13:37:13
Just to be sure before paying invoice,  the second option in this thread (CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub) is called Cherry US layout on the order form, and is called Dark PBT PRINTED key set on the invoice? I'm pretty sure they are all the same thing, just trying to make sure I order the right set.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: a-c on Wed, 10 June 2015, 13:43:51
Yes, check out replies 125 & 127

Just to be sure before paying invoice,  the second option in this thread (CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub) is called Cherry US layout on the order form, and is called Dark PBT PRINTED key set on the invoice? I'm pretty sure they are all the same thing, just trying to make sure I order the right set.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: nickheller on Wed, 10 June 2015, 13:47:01
Yes, check out replies 125 & 127

Just to be sure before paying invoice,  the second option in this thread (CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub) is called Cherry US layout on the order form, and is called Dark PBT PRINTED key set on the invoice? I'm pretty sure they are all the same thing, just trying to make sure I order the right set.

Alright thanks, I asked once after seeing the slightly different name on the order form, but just wanted to make sure after it was slightly different on invoice. Just paid the invoice! This set is awesome :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: lasttycoon on Wed, 10 June 2015, 14:51:42
Invoice Paid. Now to wait! This is my perfect set <3
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Cany0n on Wed, 10 June 2015, 15:41:11
Could I get a rough estimate for the total cost of getting a blank set into the UK? The price of the set is great, I'm just worried about how expensive shipping and import custom fees will be. A general ballpark would be great.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 10 June 2015, 18:09:19
Could I get a rough estimate for the total cost of getting a blank set into the UK? The price of the set is great, I'm just worried about how expensive shipping and import custom fees will be. A general ballpark would be great.

My invoice including shipping was $86.12 which is $13 shipping.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: E3E on Wed, 10 June 2015, 19:25:33
I apologize if this has been asked already, but will there be a third wave for this set in the future? I'm a bit crunched for cash right now and as much as I'd love to buy a set now, I don't think it'd be a good idea.

With that said, is it possible to get a number on how many orders have been made thus far? Thanks.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: jvarg on Wed, 10 June 2015, 21:10:18
Really hoping there's enough interest for an extras set (extra 2.25x shift, different mode, etc.) in the future. From reading through all the pages in this thread I know I'm not the only one out there that is looking for some extra keys to complete their keyboard set (FC660).
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: lasttycoon on Wed, 10 June 2015, 21:26:28
Really hoping there's enough interest for an extras set (extra 2.25x shift, different mode, etc.) in the future. From reading through all the pages in this thread I know I'm not the only one out there that is looking for some extra keys to complete their keyboard set (FC660).
Is it just the shift that is different on the Leopolds? What else is non standard on it?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: havenlau on Wed, 10 June 2015, 22:06:18
(https://i.imgur.com/ijthkfB.jpg)
What keys are the 1x keys in R4? thx
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: jvarg on Wed, 10 June 2015, 22:16:55
Really hoping there's enough interest for an extras set (extra 2.25x shift, different mode, etc.) in the future. From reading through all the pages in this thread I know I'm not the only one out there that is looking for some extra keys to complete their keyboard set (FC660).
Is it just the shift that is different on the Leopolds? What else is non standard on it?

The single meta/windows key is also 1x.  But that's really it.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: lasttycoon on Wed, 10 June 2015, 22:42:22
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ijthkfB.jpg)

What keys are the 1x keys in R4? thx
Win, function and a blank I think. Ivan said it a few pages back.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Rafa_n on Thu, 11 June 2015, 08:48:13
Really hoping there's enough interest for an extras set (extra 2.25x shift, different mode, etc.) in the future. From reading through all the pages in this thread I know I'm not the only one out there that is looking for some extra keys to complete their keyboard set (FC660).
Is it just the shift that is different on the Leopolds? What else is non standard on it?

The single meta/windows key is also 1x.  But that's really it.

Isn´t the spacebar a bit different too? like the stem spacing or something like that ?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: KnivesM on Thu, 11 June 2015, 11:52:23
Really hoping there's enough interest for an extras set (extra 2.25x shift, different mode, etc.) in the future. From reading through all the pages in this thread I know I'm not the only one out there that is looking for some extra keys to complete their keyboard set (FC660).
Is it just the shift that is different on the Leopolds? What else is non standard on it?

The single meta/windows key is also 1x.  But that's really it.

Isn't the spacebar a bit different too? like the stem spacing or something like that ?
Yea the ones that aren't the new Korean version (which have normal spacebar stems like the FC750RT) have the weird Leopold stabilizer placement. The spacebars in this set are compatible with the FC660 but IIRC you had to dremel down a stem that was too close or cut the plastic bit that's meant to guide the stabilizer.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Rafa_n on Thu, 11 June 2015, 14:41:41
Really hoping there's enough interest for an extras set (extra 2.25x shift, different mode, etc.) in the future. From reading through all the pages in this thread I know I'm not the only one out there that is looking for some extra keys to complete their keyboard set (FC660).
Is it just the shift that is different on the Leopolds? What else is non standard on it?

The single meta/windows key is also 1x.  But that's really it.

Isn't the spacebar a bit different too? like the stem spacing or something like that ?
Yea the ones that aren't the new Korean version (which have normal spacebar stems like the FC750RT) have the weird Leopold stabilizer placement. The spacebars in this set are compatible with the FC660 but IIRC you had to dremel down a stem that was too close or cut the plastic bit that's meant to guide the stabilizer.

Nice, where can i buy one of these new Korean models ?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: minTea on Thu, 11 June 2015, 17:02:49
Considering joining this group buy.  Someone said that this set might have issues with the spacebar on a Novatouch.  Can anyone confirm or deny this from the previous rounds because I would probably buy the Japanese for a Novatouch :) Thanks!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 11 June 2015, 17:05:21
Considering joining this group buy.  Someone said that this set might have issues with the spacebar on a Novatouch.  Can anyone confirm or deny this from the previous rounds because I would probably buy the Japanese for a Novatouch :) Thanks!
Yes, you'll have to dremel off the extra stems:
(https://i.imgur.com/5XhoC89.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: minTea on Thu, 11 June 2015, 17:06:39
Well that is a pain :X thanks for the response! :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 11 June 2015, 17:08:51
Well that is a pain :X thanks for the response! :)
I think the Vortex caps fit out of the box, so watch out for that it you don't want to get your hands dirty ;)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: minTea on Thu, 11 June 2015, 17:14:52
But I love the fact that these will have the Gateron thickness! Oh what a cruel world indeed! haha. I mean I guess I could buy a dremel but I'd rather not. Maybe I could buy and find a matching black PBT spacebar somewhere else for it.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 11 June 2015, 17:16:48
But I love the fact that these will have the Gateron thickness! Oh what a cruel world indeed! haha. I mean I guess I could buy a dremel but I'd rather not. Maybe I could buy and find a matching black PBT spacebar somewhere else for it.
The Vortex caps are actually really thick:
Just received mine (was in our old house, forgot to ask Ivan to change shipping address). Gonna check if everythings okay.

Heres some comparison between this and from the Vortex Mass Drop blank PBT

Left: Ivan GB
Right: Vortex Massdrop GB
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/F1Ahb26.jpg)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/JIvEUft.jpg)

The vortex key has label/stamp which profile is the key

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ZPJ4eHN.jpg)

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: lasttycoon on Thu, 11 June 2015, 17:17:33
So I have been thinking about these keys alot and I feel that there is a serious lack of pictures in this thread. Hopefully these will inspire some more people to jump on board this awesome group buy. I stole these from pr0ximity, and I saw the OP on Reddit. Hope he doesn't mind me posting these, but these pictures inspired my purchase!
(http://i.imgur.com/PGrZiEz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/atMEunM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nN9oKiV.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: KnivesM on Thu, 11 June 2015, 18:01:07
Really hoping there's enough interest for an extras set (extra 2.25x shift, different mode, etc.) in the future. From reading through all the pages in this thread I know I'm not the only one out there that is looking for some extra keys to complete their keyboard set (FC660).
Is it just the shift that is different on the Leopolds? What else is non standard on it?

The single meta/windows key is also 1x.  But that's really it.

Isn't the spacebar a bit different too? like the stem spacing or something like that ?
Yea the ones that aren't the new Korean version (which have normal spacebar stems like the FC750RT) have the weird Leopold stabilizer placement. The spacebars in this set are compatible with the FC660 but IIRC you had to dremel down a stem that was too close or cut the plastic bit that's meant to guide the stabilizer.

Nice, where can i buy one of these new Korean models ?
I've heard Widebasket (http://www.ebay.com/usr/widebasket) on Ebay has them, the Dyesub grey ones(can't seem to find on his ebay currently) are Korean made and have the normal stabilizer positions, the other ones I haven't heard either way definitively, you could probably message him and ask. edit: might of misunderstood the post I saw as it looks like all of his are Korean, and the grey dyesub version is chinese made?
More
Just about to get another FC660m but this one is Korean made and has the standard space bar stems. I know the grey dye subs fit the chinese made with the narrow stems but does the space bar cap have stems for standard as well?

Many thanks
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 11 June 2015, 22:34:09
So I have been thinking about these keys alot and I feel that there is a serious lack of pictures in this thread. Hopefully these will inspire some more people to jump on board this awesome group buy. I stole these from pr0ximity, and I saw the OP on Reddit. Hope he doesn't mind me posting these, but these pictures inspired my purchase!
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/PGrZiEz.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/atMEunM.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/nN9oKiV.jpg)


Very nice photos, thanks
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Ovation2006 on Fri, 12 June 2015, 01:04:09
Ahhhhyeeea - paid! Thank you sir.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: wargrip on Fri, 12 June 2015, 04:30:14
Ordered!!! Just waiting for the invoice now - can't wait for these :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 12 June 2015, 10:29:56
Is there any rough estimate of when the sets will ship?

will we receive them in 2015?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 13 June 2015, 01:22:24
Is there any rough estimate of when the sets will ship?

will we receive them in 2015?

That's kind of a given
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 13 June 2015, 08:19:36
Generally with these things I expect delivery 2-4 months from the close date.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: SeanD1994 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 09:14:42
How long does it take for us to get the invoice? Never have done a group buy on GH but I submitted an order.  ;D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Grill on Sat, 13 June 2015, 15:05:30
Buying this with a Steam sale going on will hurt the wallet but I really want my JP keys back on my KB even if it's ANSI atm. Thanks for doing this sale! Love the caps.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: swornxin on Sat, 13 June 2015, 19:55:58
Sorry for the slow payment.  Tuition has been taking most of my paychecks, but I'm all paid now.  :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: just66in on Sat, 13 June 2015, 22:07:14
So I have been thinking about these keys alot and I feel that there is a serious lack of pictures in this thread. Hopefully these will inspire some more people to jump on board this awesome group buy. I stole these from pr0ximity, and I saw the OP on Reddit. Hope he doesn't mind me posting these, but these pictures inspired my purchase!
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/PGrZiEz.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/atMEunM.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/nN9oKiV.jpg)


Thanks for sharing. And then the temptations grew...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Ahkrael on Sun, 14 June 2015, 06:57:35
Ordered a set of black on black and a blank black set a well.  Grabbing a few sets from the gateron cherry profile blank to go with them - I'm thinking blank mods with black on black for alpha and numbers (maybe not both) and mixing either beige or milk to offset the dark.  I currently have a dark grey nova touch, but will be using a silver top duck Orion, so I'm liking the silver black combo.  I like to have all options covered ( 4 total cherry profile sets, and I already have a front printed vortex and blank vortex oem profile sets. )
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: SeanD1994 on Sun, 14 June 2015, 11:47:48
Sweet just paid!! We will get a tracking # in an email or something when they ship?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: ConscienceDrop on Sun, 14 June 2015, 14:53:18
any photos of previous Cherry black on black RU dyesub?

very interested
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: naokira on Sun, 14 June 2015, 15:38:35
I'll pass. I forgot ISO has the backlash key lol.

Ivan, hopefully next set will have ISO goodies :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Digitize on Mon, 15 June 2015, 20:49:56
I don't even know why I bought these key caps because I don't even have a keyboard for them to go on, yet. Just another excuse for me to get a second keyboard as my other brother is currently using my poker II. I don't want to be an addict.  ^-^

Invoice received and paid.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 15 June 2015, 22:47:56
I don't even know why I bought these key caps because I don't even have a keyboard for them to go on, yet. Just another excuse for me to get a second keyboard as my other brother is currently using my poker II. I don't want to be an addict.  ^-^

Invoice received and paid.

First step of recovery is acknowledging that you have a problem :P
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 16 June 2015, 11:56:47
So I have been thinking about these keys alot and I feel that there is a serious lack of pictures in this thread. Hopefully these will inspire some more people to jump on board this awesome group buy. I stole these from pr0ximity, and I saw the OP on Reddit. Hope he doesn't mind me posting these, but these pictures inspired my purchase!
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/PGrZiEz.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/atMEunM.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/nN9oKiV.jpg)


Thanks for sharing. And then the temptations grew...
Just do it. This is the best all around. Great minimal look combined with awesome feels, thickness and durability. At least that is what I have convinced my self of. This is one of the best sets I have ever seen.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 16 June 2015, 11:59:18
Is there any rough estimate of when the sets will ship?

will we receive them in 2015?

That's kind of a given
Unfortunately it is not a given :/ Ivan confirmed about 2-4 month time after invoice but I think in the past this buy had some considerable delays due to manufacturing problems. The last wave waited over a year if I am not mistaken. Seems like turn around will but much faster this time due to the fact that he working directly with the manufacturer and has already worked out the kinks. (Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, it is just what I have gathered from my conversations about this set.)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: dbfj on Tue, 16 June 2015, 18:28:53
Thanks for doing this GB.  Been looking for a similar set for a while.  In for two.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: SkepticalPotato on Tue, 16 June 2015, 23:23:55
Hello GH, first time posting here!

Thanks a lot for running this Ivan; I'm in for a Russian and a blank set!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Blackehart on Tue, 16 June 2015, 23:29:25
Could you verify my order for a cherry font set?


Thanks
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open)
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 16 June 2015, 23:35:16
Just a quick question to the set.
What lettering would the marked keys would have in a normal US dyesub set?

(Attachment Link)

Just wanted to know wether or not it fits perfect with a 1800 layout.
With blanks there would be only one R2 1u and one R3 1u missing to have a perfect fit for a 1800 layout...

Would it be possible to get those two keys with a blank set?

I'm guessing the 1u r4 would be an Fn key
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: E3E on Wed, 17 June 2015, 00:21:53
Gonna blank it up, baby! :D One, because I'm TRYING to be thrifty, and Two, because Black blanks will go great with the Dark Grey blanks on Massdrop and in the end, I'll have enough for two keyboards, and I've got two cases needing to be filled. Sweeet.

Eventually, I'm gonna save up for some delicious keycaps, but for now, these are very tasty! :D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Mingalings on Wed, 17 June 2015, 17:39:37
Paid

Can't wait to get these, now I just have to decide what to do with the other set I bought from Massdrop just before I saw this thread.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: E3E on Wed, 17 June 2015, 22:57:34
I knew I wasn't the only one! What color combo did you pick on the massdrop buy?

Paid

Can't wait to get these, now I just have to decide what to do with the other set I bought from Massdrop just before I saw this thread.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 17 June 2015, 23:21:11
Shame on those that didn't get the blanks here!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: MileyBIGBOY on Wed, 17 June 2015, 23:31:30
Is this okay for filco mj2 my friends? need to make sure.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 17 June 2015, 23:57:12
Is this okay for filco mj2 my friends? need to make sure.

As long as its ANSI and not ISO
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Mingalings on Thu, 18 June 2015, 05:44:37
I knew I wasn't the only one! What color combo did you pick on the massdrop buy?

Paid

Can't wait to get these, now I just have to decide what to do with the other set I bought from Massdrop just before I saw this thread.

I got the Black Vortex Backlit key caps. I hopped in on the drop thinking they were a poor substitute for these after seeing the last of Ivan's group buys. They'll probably be up for sale when these come in.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: archer on Thu, 18 June 2015, 09:13:36
Order placed! waiting for invoice  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 18 June 2015, 16:16:02
Order sent! Been waiting to add this one for a while.  ;D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Ludovician on Fri, 19 June 2015, 01:13:47
Shame on those that didn't get the blanks here!

But I got the blanks from the last buy :(

This time I picked up a Darkside set.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: gridMENSCH on Fri, 19 June 2015, 01:33:46
Hey Ivan,

Apologies for putting in an order before I saw the spacebar issues with the Novatouch. I'd muck it up trying to dremel them out so I'm going to pass on this, sorry for wasting your time.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 19 June 2015, 08:43:07
For those that are concerned about the 6.25 spacebar stems... if you don't mind mixing with ABS you can always order some spacebar from the Miami Nights buy (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71507.0). Same profile, option to add a splash of color.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: gridMENSCH on Fri, 19 June 2015, 13:14:21
It actually occurred to me that I have a Vortex PBT spacebar, are these a similar colour? If so, can I still pay this invoice now? Thanks for your time.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 19 June 2015, 15:32:02
Yes they are pretty close to the dark vortex Cherry profile too, maybe a shade or two off, nothing dramatic.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: gridMENSCH on Fri, 19 June 2015, 16:36:42
Great, thanks, paid.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: AKmalamute on Fri, 19 June 2015, 17:43:41
sliding in far too close to the wire, it looks like my bank account can withstand this hit from the dark side.

Hit me.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 19 June 2015, 19:02:59
When are invoices due?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: E3E on Sat, 20 June 2015, 02:40:46
Hey, Ivan, are these darker than the dark grey set of PBT blanks that recently sold on Massdrop, or is it the same shade? Comments on MD said they were not the same, but just to be sure, I'm asking here directly.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: Blackhawk on Sat, 20 June 2015, 11:37:02
Finally got around to paying my invoice. Thanks again Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (orders open/invoicing)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 20 June 2015, 12:45:23
These are a little darker than the Vortex sets.

Last day for ordering!

Invoices will be due in 2 weeks from now. Reminder will be sent out weekly. If you have not paid by that time your order will be automatically cancelled.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: Mabase on Tue, 23 June 2015, 20:19:08
Invoice paid.

Pretty pumped for my first set
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: madtypist on Thu, 02 July 2015, 20:22:38
I missed the boat on this one, but if there are any cancelled orders I'd be happy to pick up an Apple black on black set.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 02 July 2015, 21:38:26
Hurry up and pay please. I wants my RUS set so bad :(
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 02 July 2015, 22:34:50
I missed the boat on this one, but if there are any cancelled orders I'd be happy to pick up an Apple black on black set.

I have a black on black standard that I can't pay for.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: madtypist on Fri, 03 July 2015, 06:59:49
I missed the boat on this one, but if there are any cancelled orders I'd be happy to pick up an Apple black on black set.

I have a black on black standard that I can't pay for.

Hm. Is there any way to change the order to an Apple layout if I take over your slot?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: yearn4 on Fri, 03 July 2015, 21:17:21
Ill take over a blank black set if possible! gonna suck it up and buy a whole set just for full touch caps lock :(
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: Vinnnie on Sun, 05 July 2015, 20:24:48
Can't wait for the aurebesh set  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 06 July 2015, 16:08:51
If you have an outstanding order invoice, please make sure you make your payment in the next 24 hours.
If there is anyone that wants in last minute, you can PM me with what you want, the paypal email, real name and mailing address and I will let you take over the cancelled spots.
Thanks :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: madtypist on Tue, 07 July 2015, 07:47:53
Thanks for letting in new orders! I sent my info by PM yesterday.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: regallegion on Thu, 09 July 2015, 03:11:20
Really excited for this groupbuy! Thanks so much for putting this all together again Ivan :D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: sica on Fri, 10 July 2015, 00:22:43
Order through PM and paid.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: sica on Sat, 11 July 2015, 00:23:57
Ordered through PM and paid.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 11 July 2015, 03:22:37
Has the order been submitted?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 13 July 2015, 10:34:16
No more orders please.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: onesassysoccermom on Mon, 13 July 2015, 13:38:00
Annnnnnnd paid invoice. Looking forward to using these, thanks!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: WolfTickets on Wed, 15 July 2015, 14:47:25
 I can't believe I forgot about this but if anyone no longer wants their CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub set, I'll buy it from you when you get it, or find something to trade you.  Just shoot me a PM. 
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: madtypist on Fri, 17 July 2015, 18:55:13
Any idea as to when these will start shipping out?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: AKmalamute on Fri, 17 July 2015, 19:02:22
Any idea as to when these will start shipping out?

After they're manufactured. In addition, it will be after Ivan receives the then-manufactured sets.

He's a well experienced GB organizer, and is good at communicating the current state of things.

 Although I just checked the OP for a vague timeline, and didn't see one. I know the order has been submitted but don't have any personal experience for how long this takes.  But the dye-subbing is being done by a different company again? Or was that the problem with round 4 before this? I recall reading that ... that the dye-sub company kept dropping the ball especially with communication.

 By Halloween, Ivan? Now that I've scrolled up and edited my reply a few times...

found this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71995.msg1777128#msg1777128) where Ivan suggests "two to four months" after close, which was, what, barely two weeks ago?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: madtypist on Fri, 17 July 2015, 19:04:45
Yeah, I realize they're a custom job. I just wasn't sure what to expect. Ivan had mentioned August in relation to another post, but I wasn't sure if he was referring to that GB or this one.

I was reading on another GB thread and it seemed like people were just getting their caps now, almost a year and a half later. Just trying to manage my own expectations. :)

Quote
edit: found this where Ivan suggests "two to four months" after close, which was, what less than one month ago?

I think it just closed last week or so, because he took new orders after the outage (including my own). Fingers crossed for October.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 18 July 2015, 10:41:02
No more orders please.
Have you been getting my messages Ivan? I wanted to know which ones I ordered since I know it was a decent sized one though I'm not sure how many f each set I got.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 18 July 2015, 11:09:15
No more orders please.
Could you kindly PM me which sets and how many of each set I ordered? I don't think my PM is getting sent to you but I got your original reply just now. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: Vinnnie on Wed, 22 July 2015, 13:36:38
Anyone interested in taking over my aurebesh set?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: Mingalings on Wed, 22 July 2015, 15:12:41
Just wondering if the order is in or if, as the post title suggests,  payments are still being collected?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: brighenne on Wed, 22 July 2015, 15:58:30
I'd be interested in picking up a blank set if anyone no longer wants their order.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: Vinnnie on Wed, 22 July 2015, 16:02:03
Just wondering if the order is in or if, as the post title suggests,  payments are still being collected?

He has stopped collecting payments
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 27 July 2015, 10:35:27
Very excited to mix this set with the other gateron sets....Black with dark gray alphas. :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: inanis on Mon, 27 July 2015, 11:11:19
When I first got into keyboards in a serious way, the very first thing I wanted to get was a set of caps like this. I couldn't find them for sale anywhere, maybe because they weren't for sale, or maybe because I didn't know where to look. A lot has changed about my tastes since then but my desire for the sweet black on black has not. I am so very excited to get these. My only regret is that I could only afford one set.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: Ahkrael on Mon, 27 July 2015, 23:30:34
Very excited to mix this set with the other gateron sets....Black with dark gray alphas. :thumb:

Yeah I'm planning on doing the same.  Thinking of mixing the black alphas with beige or "milk" white.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: cuongcan2020 on Sat, 01 August 2015, 19:38:18
No more orders please.

Ivan, I did shoot you a pm regarding changes of address.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (collecting payments)
Post by: E3E on Thu, 06 August 2015, 15:47:11
Derp post, sorry about that. I read another user's post wrong! :D Can't wait for these though!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ribozyme on Sun, 09 August 2015, 09:37:28
Selling my US black on black, PM if interested.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: havenlau on Sun, 09 August 2015, 22:03:21
due to being tight with my money atm i'm letting go a set of CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub,
PM me if interested, i could even go lower if necessary since im in big need with cash..  :( :-[
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: briandesigns on Wed, 12 August 2015, 13:37:42
can't believe i missed this...
Would be interested in another GB for black blanks
would also be interested if anyone in US, Canada don't want their black blanks anymore
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:05:39
There will also be some extras available afterwards.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: briandesigns on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:24:19
There will also be some extras available afterwards.

can i call dibs now?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:34:42
There will also be some extras available afterwards.

I just went through my paypal and noticed that i joined this. WOOP WOOP, any ETA?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 12 August 2015, 16:35:28
Still hype :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: GoatMaster on Thu, 13 August 2015, 04:22:23
Is it still in production ?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:44:40
Be prepared to wait some months for production and delivery as is usual.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: SuperSumo on Tue, 18 August 2015, 01:36:40
Would anyone be willing to part with their 2.75u blank shift?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Wed, 19 August 2015, 14:19:43
Hype Hype Hype
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: daerid on Sun, 30 August 2015, 02:28:47
There will also be some extras available afterwards.

can i call dibs now?

This. I've been looking for a Blank Black set for-freaking-ever, but I forgot to order one with my Aurebesh set.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 01 September 2015, 10:42:48
Sorry I haven't been on in a bit. I hurt my arm quite badly crashing on my BMX. Please don't worry, everything will get taken care of, but it may take me some time to respond to all of you.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: OTD on Tue, 01 September 2015, 10:44:23
Arenwe still able to order and when is theestim. Del. If we do join?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: mattrox217 on Tue, 01 September 2015, 10:51:42
Ouch. Get better. It's just keycaps.

inb4 "no such thing as 'just keycaps'"  :p
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: TBone on Tue, 01 September 2015, 11:01:45
Sorry I haven't been on in a bit. I hurt my arm quite badly crashing on my BMX. Please don't worry, everything will get taken care of, but it may take me some time to respond to all of you.

Oh sorry man, hope you have speedy recovery!  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ika on Thu, 03 September 2015, 00:28:40
For anyone who is not willing to wait, I'd be willing to take over their Cherry black on black order :)

That said, thanks for the update Ivan. Health always comes first, take your time. Geekhack will still be here.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: tchevass on Thu, 03 September 2015, 05:41:47
For anyone who is not willing to wait, I'd be willing to take over their Cherry black on black order :)

That said, thanks for the update Ivan. Health always comes first, take your time. Geekhack will still be here.
I could sell mine to you
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Thu, 03 September 2015, 15:45:19
More hype! Hope you feel better soon Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swornxin on Fri, 04 September 2015, 17:41:22
I can't remember if we confirmed if this spacebar for this will fit a Leopold FC660.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: potatowire on Fri, 04 September 2015, 18:02:36
Unless Gateron changed things, the space bar only fits the Korean version of the 660M. I tried one of the beige ones (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71690.msg1771557#msg1771557) myself.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: E3E on Sat, 05 September 2015, 01:06:12
The 6u space bar also has odd spacing and does not fit boards like the Infinity either. It seems derived from Cherry's 6u space bars with an offset middle stem. Both the stab stems and switch stem do not align at all with the Infinity's layout. I can't speak for the Korean boards that allow a 6u layout, but it's so uncommon in general, that I don't think many will bat an eye at a 6u space bar being mostly incompatible.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: calvinhousecat on Sat, 05 September 2015, 01:32:26
If anyone wants to let go of their CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub

I'll take it off your hands  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Ohmycosh on Sun, 06 September 2015, 12:48:39
I'd also be very happy to buy a set, I so regret not jumping on this :(
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ipodah on Wed, 09 September 2015, 01:56:18
Same here, if someone lets go his order, I'll take it.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Gyokuro on Fri, 11 September 2015, 09:52:36
***very*** interested in a round3... So sorry I missed this!!
Any chance of getting an OEM profile option on the next order?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 11 September 2015, 13:49:30
Any chance of getting an OEM profile option on the next order?

Ivan only does Cherry profile.

Do you really prefer OEM profile? Nobody else on Geekhack does :p

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: E3E on Sat, 12 September 2015, 03:56:53
Hey guys. If anyone is wanting a BoB set and a blank set, please PM me, and we can set up order transfers with Ivan. I need to cut out incomplete projects for now and refocus my priorities.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: daerid on Mon, 14 September 2015, 10:37:19
Hey guys. If anyone is wanting a BoB set and a blank set, please PM me, and we can set up order transfers with Ivan. I need to cut out incomplete projects for now and refocus my priorities.

PM sent
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Mon, 14 September 2015, 12:58:31
Any chance of getting an OEM profile option on the next order?

Ivan only does Cherry profile.

Do you really prefer OEM profile? Nobody else on Geekhack does :p
Yeah thats pretty odd. This will be my first Cherry profile set so I am pretty excited to see what the hype is about!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: daerid on Tue, 15 September 2015, 01:05:06
I don't mind OEM profile. Not sure if I'd say I prefer it to Cherry, but it's not that big of a difference.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 15 September 2015, 14:43:22
Profile doesn't bother me as much but I'd say that I do prefer cherry over OEM profile but I could use either one.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Emmiya on Tue, 15 September 2015, 14:52:31
Well, **** my arse... how did I miss this.

Would totally be up for a round3 if there's any possibility of one being ran; if not, i'm interested in the Hanguel caps.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 15 September 2015, 14:59:23
Well, **** my arse... how did I miss this.

Would totally be up for a round3 if there's any possibility of one being ran; if not, i'm interested in the Hanguel caps.

Once I get my order, I could sell you one at cost + shipping. Just send me a PM if you are interested. I ordered quite a bit of extras. :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: E3E on Sat, 19 September 2015, 23:53:49
Just a heads up again. I have an order for a US BoB set that's up for grabs. It was a separate invoice but combined with my first, so you'll have to pay shipping to Ivan separately. Just pay me for what I paid on the invoice, and it's yours. You can then work out shipping with Ivan directly.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Wed, 23 September 2015, 00:53:39
Just a heads up again. I have an order for a US BoB set that's up for grabs. It was a separate invoice but combined with my first, so you'll have to pay shipping to Ivan separately. Just pay me for what I paid on the invoice, and it's yours. You can then work out shipping with Ivan directly.

How much are you selling them for? I've been wanting some of these recently. Cheers!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 23 September 2015, 06:32:48
Just a heads up again. I have an order for a US BoB set that's up for grabs. It was a separate invoice but combined with my first, so you'll have to pay shipping to Ivan separately. Just pay me for what I paid on the invoice, and it's yours. You can then work out shipping with Ivan directly.

How much are you selling them for? I've been wanting some of these recently. Cheers!

I think he said list price so $65 plus shipping
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: E3E on Wed, 23 September 2015, 08:19:06
Just a heads up again. I have an order for a US BoB set that's up for grabs. It was a separate invoice but combined with my first, so you'll have to pay shipping to Ivan separately. Just pay me for what I paid on the invoice, and it's yours. You can then work out shipping with Ivan directly.

How much are you selling them for? I've been wanting some of these recently. Cheers!

I think he said list price so $65 plus shipping

Pretty much this +/- $2 (I need to check the invoice, but it's not too different from this price)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: SL89 on Wed, 23 September 2015, 09:45:34
I quite like my Aurebesh set, but I would be keen on a US or Cyrillic set if anyone ends up wanting to transfer or has extras.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 23 September 2015, 13:12:11
Just realized that pbt4 took 8 months, does that mean that we will wait till feb 2016 for these? :o
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 23 September 2015, 16:47:51
Just realized that pbt4 took 8 months, does that mean that we will wait till feb 2016 for these? :o

Key is to have other stuff in the pipeline and forget about the group buys  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: daerid on Sat, 26 September 2015, 21:05:07
Just realized that pbt4 took 8 months, does that mean that we will wait till feb 2016 for these? :o

That's nothing compared to 7bit's doubleshot group buys. Some of those took years...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Tue, 29 September 2015, 12:26:30
did we get an ETA on this? Im moving in late November. So want to know if i have to get it sorted or not :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Jixr on Tue, 29 September 2015, 14:16:00
Just realized that pbt4 took 8 months, does that mean that we will wait till feb 2016 for these? :o

But those are not even done yet.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Thu, 01 October 2015, 04:41:06


Orders close 20 June. ALL payments due before 5 July.

Groupbuy for Dark PBT Cherry profile full sets.

Hey Ivan! I just wanted to make sure you got that message about the order transfer from E3E to me. Let me know how much shipping will be, and I'll need to get you my mailing address. Thanks again!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: treborr on Thu, 01 October 2015, 06:48:34
Hey guys. I'm new here.

I missed the GB but does anyone have a Printed Black on Black set up for sale?

I have a verified PayPal and I like in the UK.

Thanks,

R
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 01 October 2015, 07:09:15
Man I hope Ivan is ok been ages since he posted
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Thu, 01 October 2015, 13:58:05
Man I hope Ivan is ok been ages since he posted
Right? I hope so too. I just want him to confirm my order!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Rafa_n on Thu, 01 October 2015, 14:37:14
(http://i.imgur.com/7oTw3Uy.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: tchevass on Thu, 01 October 2015, 22:02:30
I have a black printed keyset for sale. For the price I paid.
I dont have any cherry mx board for now so I don't think I would need this set.

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Xfighter1188 on Fri, 02 October 2015, 15:20:44
Does anyone have a blank black set for sale? I have verified paypal
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: MrRooks on Sun, 04 October 2015, 10:21:56
If anyone has a blank black or black on black set they don't want, I will gladly buy it.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: goodforwhat on Mon, 05 October 2015, 19:27:08
I have an order for the Dark PBT PRINTED keyset available if anyone is interested.  Looking to get what I paid for them.  Not sure how to go about an order transfer, but PM me and we can figure it out with Ivan.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: onesassysoccermom on Tue, 13 October 2015, 20:17:15
How are we looking as far as a status update goes?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Grill on Sun, 18 October 2015, 11:53:14
Also would like to have an update on the orders so far :3
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 27 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 11:56:06
How are we looking as far as a status update goes?

Ivan has been inactive for over a month now so there likely won't be any updates until he's back.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Rafa_n on Sun, 18 October 2015, 12:36:37
i don't want to be rude BUT, i  mean, this guys has been offline for a month, what's the possibility that we were all scammed?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: frosty on Sun, 18 October 2015, 12:46:51
i don't want to be rude BUT, i  mean, this guys has been offline for a month, what's the possibility that we were all scammed?  :rolleyes:

Very very very very low. Ivan has a good track record with group buys on GeekHack but you cannot rule out this possibility.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 18 October 2015, 14:13:54
i don't want to be rude BUT, i  mean, this guys has been offline for a month, what's the possibility that we were all scammed?  :rolleyes:

p = 0
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: AgentNate on Sun, 18 October 2015, 23:56:18
I mean, do you guys think it has to do with his BMX accident he mentioned?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Jixr on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:57:54
You guys need to stop worrying. Must be your first GB.

I'm not worried about the GB at all. I'm worried about Ivan's health lol.

I know that Ivan is alive.  I don't know anything beyond that, but he at least seems to be okay.  This isn't much info, but I wanted to share it since we haven't heard from him in so long.  Hopefully he is able to get online soon.  :)

at least 1 sr mod has been in contact with him, no worries guys.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:59:56
You guys need to stop worrying. Must be your first GB.

I'm not worried about the GB at all. I'm worried about Ivan's health lol.

I know that Ivan is alive.  I don't know anything beyond that, but he at least seems to be okay.  This isn't much info, but I wanted to share it since we haven't heard from him in so long.  Hopefully he is able to get online soon.  :)

at least 1 sr mod has been in contact with him, no worries guys.

Can't tell if sarcasm, but yes he is healthy and said he'd be getting back online soon.  I don't know any more details, and I can't force people to post on a forum.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Jixr on Mon, 19 October 2015, 14:10:19
no /s from me.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lolpes on Thu, 22 October 2015, 03:36:08
Interested in a Cherry US Int. BLACK on BLACK dyesub if someone wants to let go of their order :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ribozyme on Thu, 22 October 2015, 15:37:29
Interested in a Cherry US Int. BLACK on BLACK dyesub if someone wants to let go of their order :)

Sent you a message!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 1swt2gs on Sat, 24 October 2015, 18:42:22
Hey! Due to moving I wasn't able to secure a set of blanks.

If anyone is willing to part a set of blanks let me know!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ribozyme on Sun, 01 November 2015, 05:59:45
Still selling a black on black US ANSI.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: mrgoldenzombie on Sun, 01 November 2015, 14:01:04
I love the black on black. Looks so sexy
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: hKing on Mon, 02 November 2015, 04:15:44
Would love to buy a complete black on black ANSI set.
I'm from Germany if that matters.

Just shoot me a PM!  :D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Stabilized on Mon, 02 November 2015, 07:20:11
Is there an easy way to see what I ordered?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 02 November 2015, 07:34:02
Is there an easy way to see what I ordered?
You should have been sent a PayPal invoice at some point.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Stabilized on Mon, 02 November 2015, 11:52:29
Is there an easy way to see what I ordered?
You should have been sent a PayPal invoice at some point.

I have that but it only says that I ordered a set of printed caps and I can't remember which set I actually chose.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Mon, 02 November 2015, 12:55:16
Has Ivan posted at all lately? Is he ok?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Stabilized on Mon, 02 November 2015, 13:37:34
Has Ivan posted at all lately? Is he ok?

He is missing at the moment, he had a BMX accident and since then he hasn't been online. He is still alive and (we hope) well, maybe he is recovering at the moment? Let's hope that he hasn't used all our money on an operation or something...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Mon, 02 November 2015, 13:44:45
Has Ivan posted at all lately? Is he ok?

He is missing at the moment, he had a BMX accident and since then he hasn't been online. He is still alive and (we hope) well, maybe he is recovering at the moment? Let's hope that he hasn't used all our money on an operation or something...

i think not. but who knows. He da Russian mob head boss.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Mon, 02 November 2015, 17:30:15
If anyone wants my BoB US set, sadly things have come up and I need any extra money I can get. I bought them off of E3E in hopes of getting some sweet caps, but unfortunately, I won't get to see these bad boys. Let me know if you are interested. I'll sell them for slightly less than I payed with no PP fees. Cheers!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: regallegion on Wed, 04 November 2015, 16:12:24
I'm getting so pumped for this set as I work on my Sprit build...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: tangkims on Wed, 04 November 2015, 22:52:31
Is it too late for me to get in on this action? :(
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lashiel on Wed, 04 November 2015, 22:57:42

Is it too late for me to get in on this action? :(

Unless you find someone who wants to give up their spot to you.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: vindaon on Thu, 05 November 2015, 17:05:09
Selling RU set. I paid $77.80 shipped to US.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: algidplasma on Fri, 06 November 2015, 11:25:41
Are we ever going to get these? What is the update on this GB...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 06 November 2015, 11:27:55
Are we ever going to get these? What is the update on this GB...
The only update is everyone is waiting for Ivan to be able to return and give an update.

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: inanis on Fri, 06 November 2015, 11:28:28
Are we ever going to get these? What is the update on this GB...
Ivan hasn't even been online since September 14th. He is usually reliable, but that is a looooong time to be away. I don't think anyone knows what is up right now. I think we just have to sit back and continue to be patient.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 1swt2gs on Fri, 06 November 2015, 17:56:27
As mentioned above, Ivan has gotten into a BMX accident.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: madtypist on Fri, 06 November 2015, 18:05:13
As mentioned above, Ivan has gotten into a BMX accident.

He did post after the accident though. My concern isn't that he's taken our money and run, but that something more serious has happened to him. Has anyone here confirmed that he's still alive?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 06 November 2015, 18:58:54
As mentioned above, Ivan has gotten into a BMX accident.

He did post after the accident though. My concern isn't that he's taken our money and run, but that something more serious has happened to him. Has anyone here confirmed that he's still alive?

From another Group Buy thread:

I did speak to him briefly the other day; he said he is working on group buy things, and will be updating once he makes some progress.  I'm not sure if we can assume he has caps in hand or not, but he is not off on an island with our cash.  :D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: rjmana on Sat, 07 November 2015, 00:44:49
As mentioned above, Ivan has gotten into a BMX accident.

He did post after the accident though. My concern isn't that he's taken our money and run, but that something more serious has happened to him. Has anyone here confirmed that he's still alive?

From another Group Buy thread:

I did speak to him briefly the other day; he said he is working on group buy things, and will be updating once he makes some progress.  I'm not sure if we can assume he has caps in hand or not, but he is not off on an island with our cash.  :D

Thanks Hoff. Appreciate the update
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 08 November 2015, 22:07:37
I wish I bought a Japanese Set. Anyone have one for sale?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Mon, 09 November 2015, 15:23:06
As mentioned above, Ivan has gotten into a BMX accident.

He did post after the accident though. My concern isn't that he's taken our money and run, but that something more serious has happened to him. Has anyone here confirmed that he's still alive?

From another Group Buy thread:

I did speak to him briefly the other day; he said he is working on group buy things, and will be updating once he makes some progress.  I'm not sure if we can assume he has caps in hand or not, but he is not off on an island with our cash.  :D
Yeah, thanks for that. I hope he is ok.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: litster on Tue, 10 November 2015, 11:39:53
I haven't been following this thread after I placed my order.   The thread's title is changed to "(production)".  Was it changed before or after Ivan's accident?  Just wondering if the caps are really in production.  Thanks.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 27 on Tue, 10 November 2015, 11:46:59
I haven't been following this thread after I placed my order.   The thread's title is changed to "(production)".  Was it changed before or after Ivan's accident?  Just wondering if the caps are really in production.  Thanks.

Yes, the title was changed before his accident.  He said that they should be on the way to him soon before he went AFK.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: litster on Tue, 10 November 2015, 13:11:38
Good to know, thanks XX7.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: daerid on Thu, 12 November 2015, 01:18:45
As much as I'd love my kits as soon as possible, I have plenty of keycap sets lying around already. I'd rather Ivan take his time and heal properly rather than push himself trying to get this GB out the door.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Jixr on Thu, 12 November 2015, 08:59:36
also note he has several other GB's that are in various stages of completion that he has to watch over. Its not easy.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 24 November 2015, 11:20:50
Yeah, hopefully the keys are already made. He probably just needs to heal before shipping them out. I imagine all those keyscaps are pretty heavy!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: MaNiFeX on Tue, 24 November 2015, 13:12:40
also note he has several other GB's that are in various stages of completion that he has to watch over. Its not easy.

I can understand why he doesn't log in.  He's most likely neck deep in caps trying to sort them and get them shipped out.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: potatowire on Tue, 24 November 2015, 13:23:20
also note he has several other GB's that are in various stages of completion that he has to watch over. Its not easy.

I can understand why he doesn't log in.  He's most likely neck deep in caps trying to sort them and get them shipped out.

I wouldn't mind a quick update...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 1swt2gs on Fri, 27 November 2015, 02:23:04
Posted a while back, but no one bit so posting again! Due to moving I wasn't able to secure a set of blanks.

If anyone is willing to part a set of blanks let me know!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Fri, 27 November 2015, 03:31:10
Posted a while back, but no one bit so posting again! Due to moving I wasn't able to secure a set of blanks.

If anyone is willing to part a set of blanks let me know!

you can get black blanks from geekkeys. im thinking of buying some there.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 1swt2gs on Fri, 27 November 2015, 15:42:11
Posted a while back, but no one bit so posting again! Due to moving I wasn't able to secure a set of blanks.

If anyone is willing to part a set of blanks let me know!

you can get black blanks from geekkeys. im thinking of buying some there.


I know about those but they are pretty pricey compared to Ivans GB
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: itskuroi on Fri, 27 November 2015, 17:59:16
Posted a while back, but no one bit so posting again! Due to moving I wasn't able to secure a set of blanks.

If anyone is willing to part a set of blanks let me know!

you can get black blanks from geekkeys. im thinking of buying some there.


I know about those but they are pretty pricey compared to Ivans GB

They'll also arrive about 3 months earlier!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 1swt2gs on Fri, 27 November 2015, 18:04:06
Posted a while back, but no one bit so posting again! Due to moving I wasn't able to secure a set of blanks.

If anyone is willing to part a set of blanks let me know!

you can get black blanks from geekkeys. im thinking of buying some there.


I know about those but they are pretty pricey compared to Ivans GB

They'll also arrive about 3 months earlier!

Don't mind the wait  ;D Have way too many keycap sets already anyways.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Fri, 27 November 2015, 18:25:03
Yeah I've moved on to Alps and sold my Cherry board so I'll definitely be selling my set once they arrive. That's hoping they ever do. I bought them off another user here and sent the new shipping info to Ivan, but I haven't heard any response, so here's to hoping he got my message! :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 1swt2gs on Fri, 27 November 2015, 18:29:39
Yeah I've moved on to Alps and sold my Cherry board so I'll definitely be selling my set once they arrive. That's hoping they ever do. I bought them off another user here and sent the new shipping info to Ivan, but I haven't heard any response, so here's to hoping he got my message! :thumb:


Do you have the blank black set? Is there anyway I can buy it off of you? :D
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Fri, 27 November 2015, 18:45:51
Yeah I've moved on to Alps and sold my Cherry board so I'll definitely be selling my set once they arrive. That's hoping they ever do. I bought them off another user here and sent the new shipping info to Ivan, but I haven't heard any response, so here's to hoping he got my message! :thumb:


Do you have the blank black set? Is there anyway I can buy it off of you? :D
It's not blank unfortunately. It's the BoB US set. If that tickles your fancy, shoot me a PM!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Nostril on Sat, 28 November 2015, 00:59:26
I have a black on black order that I would like to sell. Price is $76.76 (What I paid) which is $65.00 + $5.00 group buy fee + $4.00 shipping. PM me if you are interested.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 1swt2gs on Sat, 28 November 2015, 01:54:35
Yeah I've moved on to Alps and sold my Cherry board so I'll definitely be selling my set once they arrive. That's hoping they ever do. I bought them off another user here and sent the new shipping info to Ivan, but I haven't heard any response, so here's to hoping he got my message! :thumb:


Do you have the blank black set? Is there anyway I can buy it off of you? :D
It's not blank unfortunately. It's the BoB US set. If that tickles your fancy, shoot me a PM!

Pickle not tickled :/ Will not PM.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: seabassx on Tue, 01 December 2015, 12:31:52
Do you have the blank black set? Is there anyway I can buy it off of you? :D
It's not blank unfortunately. It's the BoB US set. If that tickles your fancy, shoot me a PM!

PM sent.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 01 December 2015, 15:32:35
also note he has several other GB's that are in various stages of completion that he has to watch over. Its not easy.

I can understand why he doesn't log in.  He's most likely neck deep in caps trying to sort them and get them shipped out.

I wouldn't mind a quick update...

I agree. Not sure if those other GBs are updated but I would like to know if they caps are made yet and sitting around in his house or what is going on.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 01 December 2015, 15:38:34
Ivan's last post was in september saying that he was getting ready to ship PBT4 sets. No news from him besides that. We don't know if the caps are made yet or just waiting to be shipped. Im sure everyone would appreciate him stopping in. This is my first GB and it has me a little nervous. Doesn't seem like we will see these caps by the end of the year...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Grill on Fri, 04 December 2015, 14:12:23
I agree. Over 3 months without a post from Ivan on this thread at all.

Kind of wondering how we are supposed to react to that.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 04 December 2015, 14:55:28
So, i paid almost 180 days ago, since that was the day limit to open a case, i decided to open one on the paypal resolution center. Ivan refunded me about 12 hours later so i guess he's not dead. I just don't understand why he doesn't come to the forum and JUST POST SOMETHING
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Stabilized on Fri, 04 December 2015, 15:14:14
So, i paid almost 180 days ago, since that was the day limit to open a case, i decided to open one on the paypal resolution center. Ivan refunded me about 12 hours later so i guess he's not dead. I just don't understand why he doesn't come to the forum and JUST POST SOMETHING

That's interesting, wish I had thought about this before the 180 days were up for me. Oh well, looks like I am waiting this one out then.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: chancellorr on Fri, 04 December 2015, 15:30:28
So, i paid almost 180 days ago, since that was the day limit to open a case, i decided to open one on the paypal resolution center. Ivan refunded me about 12 hours later so i guess he's not dead. I just don't understand why he doesn't come to the forum and JUST POST SOMETHING

That's interesting, wish I had thought about this before the 180 days were up for me. Oh well, looks like I am waiting this one out then.
You and me both brother. I'm disappointed that I'll be getting my b.face pcb and stuff from LearndreN's GB possibly before this.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 04 December 2015, 16:27:35
Sorry I have not been around for awhile.

I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.

If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: madtypist on Fri, 04 December 2015, 16:29:24
Sorry I have not been around for awhile.

I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.

If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.

Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: tangkims on Fri, 04 December 2015, 18:02:41
Anyone have a aurebesh set they are willing to let go? Let me know
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Pemdas on Fri, 04 December 2015, 18:11:16
Sorry I have not been around for awhile.

I just would like to let you know things are still in the works. Please be patient. Sometimes things can take longer than what was initially expected.

If you can PLEASE stop initiating paypal disputes I would really appreciate it. I simply don't have the money to be refunding everyone as it is tied up in product.
If you have an urgent inquiry, please simply send an email. Starting paypal disputes to send a question is not helpful.
THANKS.

THANK YOU!!

This update puts me completely at ease! I had faith during this "haitus" but I'm really glad to see an actual update. Now that I know for a fact you're alive and well I have no problems waiting further! Take your time and keep healthy  :p
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Mon, 07 December 2015, 13:57:14
got a black on black set up for grabs that Im letting go pm me the total i paied was $86.12 USD
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: asgeirtj on Mon, 07 December 2015, 15:05:20
i also have CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub up for grabs which I paid 86.12 usd for.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Mon, 07 December 2015, 16:07:35
I'll let my Black on Black set (US) set go for $70. I sold my MX board and no longer need the caps. CONUS preferable. Cheers!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: AKmalamute on Mon, 07 December 2015, 16:18:42
I'll let my Black on Black set (US) set go for $70.
shipped? PM incoming...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: seabassx on Mon, 07 December 2015, 16:36:20
I'll let my Black on Black set (US) set go for $70.
shipped? PM incoming...

I'll take this if AKmalamute doesn't; just shoot me a PM. I had PMed you about it a week ago but never heard back.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 1swt2gs on Tue, 08 December 2015, 19:30:50
Offer still stands for those wanting to get rid of their thick blank black set!

I missed out due to moving and would love to take it off someones hands!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: vindaon on Sun, 13 December 2015, 16:41:01
RU set still available for sale.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Thu, 17 December 2015, 01:12:45
It has been a good few months and we really need more progress updates. I know your a busy man but your last update didn't really tell us anymore then you being alive and well (Not being rude or anything). Please more detail would much appreciated.
Thanks.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: tangkims on Thu, 17 December 2015, 10:14:00
Anyone got BoB or Aeurbesh extras? PM me please
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Jixr on Thu, 17 December 2015, 10:49:04
It has been a good few months and we really need more progress updates. I know your a busy man but your last update didn't really tell us anymore then you being alive and well (Not being rude or anything). Please more detail would much appreciated.
Thanks.

They are still in production, this stuff takes awhile. As far as what Ivan is currently up to, he's just about finished packing and shipping on of his other group buys. His attention is on making sure everyone gets their packages and everything is in good order as well as dealing with changes of addresses and other things. There is nothing more he can tell you than the factory is working on it.

The factory does not have empty machines waiting on an order, they have to get your order, schedule it to be produced alongside their normal operations, and once production is finished, time for QC, and packing and shipping to another company for the dye subbing, which takes time ( as each key is dye subbed one at a time ), production, QC, packing and shipping, who goes to Ivan, who has to separate each set key by key ( upwards of 10,000+ keys to sort ) package, label, confirm everyone shipping information, QC, and package and ship all over the world.

The buy I mentioned that he is currently shipping took about 11 months from closed orders to shipping, and I would expect this order to take about the same. I wouldn't really bother getting worked up until about march or so.

Patience young padwan.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: popkorn62 on Thu, 17 December 2015, 20:03:40
If anyone wanna give up their order of RU/JAP/Hangul then pls pm me!!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: havenlau on Sun, 20 December 2015, 03:35:43
I'm letting go 1x CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub for $80! ($4.04 cheaper coz in big need of cash right now, college life), pm me if interested
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ceflame on Sun, 20 December 2015, 04:11:10
It seems like Feng is stocking original BoB dyesub sets on his site.

Just want to leave this here as an opportunity for those who missed Ivan's GB.

http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-dark-grey-dyesub-thick-pbt-full-keyset/ (http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-dark-grey-dyesub-thick-pbt-full-keyset/)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: seabassx on Sun, 20 December 2015, 18:54:33
It seems like Feng is stocking original BoB dyesub sets on his site.

Just want to leave this here as an opportunity for those who missed Ivan's GB.

http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-dark-grey-dyesub-thick-pbt-full-keyset/ (http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-dark-grey-dyesub-thick-pbt-full-keyset/)

Thanks for posting this, I grabbed one.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 1swt2gs on Mon, 21 December 2015, 01:56:59
It seems like Feng is stocking original BoB dyesub sets on his site.

Just want to leave this here as an opportunity for those who missed Ivan's GB.

http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-dark-grey-dyesub-thick-pbt-full-keyset/ (http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-dark-grey-dyesub-thick-pbt-full-keyset/)

Whoa... That's cheaper than the GB
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 22 December 2015, 21:14:42
Good to see Ivan is alive and well but I would love to know if they are done being made or are still in production. Still looking forward to this set!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: K.Mak on Tue, 22 December 2015, 23:07:11
It seems like Feng is stocking original BoB dyesub sets on his site.

Just want to leave this here as an opportunity for those who missed Ivan's GB.

http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-dark-grey-dyesub-thick-pbt-full-keyset/ (http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-dark-grey-dyesub-thick-pbt-full-keyset/)

Whoa... That's cheaper than the GB

Looks nice, but it sort of bugs me that the Control legend is bit too centered compared to the rest.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Wed, 23 December 2015, 18:39:18
It seems like Feng is stocking original BoB dyesub sets on his site.

Just want to leave this here as an opportunity for those who missed Ivan's GB.

http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-dark-grey-dyesub-thick-pbt-full-keyset/ (http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-dark-grey-dyesub-thick-pbt-full-keyset/)

Whoa... That's cheaper than the GB

Looks nice, but it sort of bugs me that the Control legend is bit too centered compared to the rest.
Out of stock but a good deal for sure. Does anyone know if this is the same thick Gateron PBT? I would be all over this if I wasnt waiting for the group buy still. Even so its tempting. Perhaps when they come back in stock next month if we don't have some solid status updates.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Numpy on Fri, 25 December 2015, 23:40:27
It seems like Feng is stocking original BoB dyesub sets on his site.

Just want to leave this here as an opportunity for those who missed Ivan's GB.

http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-dark-grey-dyesub-thick-pbt-full-keyset/ (http://www.geekkeys.com/geekkeys-dark-grey-dyesub-thick-pbt-full-keyset/)

Whoa... That's cheaper than the GB

Looks nice, but it sort of bugs me that the Control legend is bit too centered compared to the rest.
Out of stock but a good deal for sure. Does anyone know if this is the same thick Gateron PBT? I would be all over this if I wasnt waiting for the group buy still. Even so its tempting. Perhaps when they come back in stock next month if we don't have some solid status updates.
Geekkeys is getting these caps back in stock on the 15th of January. I've pre-ordered some already ;D
Hope Ivan ships this set soon for your sake  :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 26 December 2015, 05:46:55
CHERRY BLACK on BLACK dyesub still up for grabs which I paid 86.12 usd for.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ribozyme on Tue, 29 December 2015, 05:04:24
Letting go of an US ANSI black on black because I got my novatouch and it sucked even with other keycaps and I bought these un advance for the novatouch.

Letting it go for 70 dollars.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: daerid on Wed, 30 December 2015, 01:23:16
I for one still want both my sets, and am perfectly content with waiting for them. Take your time and do it right Ivan! <3
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: flaming_june on Tue, 05 January 2016, 04:01:16
How much was this for Canadian buyers using paypal with printed?  What's on top of that 65 dollar price?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swornxin on Tue, 05 January 2016, 16:43:29
How much was this for Canadian buyers using paypal with printed?  What's on top of that 65 dollar price?
Shipping was $13USD, and a $5 fee.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: flaming_june on Tue, 05 January 2016, 22:49:58
Thank you.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Wed, 06 January 2016, 14:10:39
Still looking for a more substantial update. Are these still at the factory? Communication is appreciated  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Mabase on Wed, 13 January 2016, 17:55:09
I had a buddy receive his already and was wondering if anyone else that participated in the GB had as well.

Anyone else receive their keys yet?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: chancellorr on Wed, 13 January 2016, 18:08:44
I had a buddy receive his already and was wondering if anyone else that participated in the GB had as well.

Anyone else receive their keys yet?
Nothing here
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 13 January 2016, 18:14:09
I had a buddy receive his already and was wondering if anyone else that participated in the GB had as well.

Anyone else receive their keys yet?

WTF. Seriously?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: tchevass on Wed, 13 January 2016, 18:14:38
I had a buddy receive his already and was wondering if anyone else that participated in the GB had as well.

Anyone else receive their keys yet?
Nothing here also
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Butter on Wed, 13 January 2016, 18:37:39
I had a buddy receive his already and was wondering if anyone else that participated in the GB had as well.

Anyone else receive their keys yet?

Nothing for me.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: havenlau on Wed, 13 January 2016, 19:10:38
I had a buddy receive his already and was wondering if anyone else that participated in the GB had as well.

Anyone else receive their keys yet?
did he order it through geekkeys?
that's probably the only way to get them that quickly right now, imsto has been low on stock for the longest time
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Wed, 13 January 2016, 21:37:55
could it be from geek keys? i know that he had his own
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: onesassysoccermom on Sun, 17 January 2016, 12:50:17
May I inquire as to the status of this?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Karura on Sun, 17 January 2016, 14:59:46
Can anyone confirm if these are dyesubbed by Enjoypbt in house (which would make sense, since they actually own the keycap moulds and what not), or does IMSTO have a hand in dyesubbing these, and Enjoypbt is only supplying the caps?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: daerid on Wed, 20 January 2016, 11:36:22
May I inquire as to the status of this?

You can, but Ivan's been notoriously absent (recovering from an injury), so not sure you'll get a response.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: janvkn on Wed, 20 January 2016, 12:31:11
Can anyone confirm if these are dyesubbed by Enjoypbt in house (which would make sense, since they actually own the keycap moulds and what not), or does IMSTO have a hand in dyesubbing these, and Enjoypbt is only supplying the caps?

With the previous round, IMSTO was selling leftovers (http://imsto.cn/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=108) on their site, so it would be a bit weird if they were not involved with the dyesubbing.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: sonnt on Thu, 21 January 2016, 06:29:39
Just an update if anyone cares, my friends received products from Ivan in another group buy. So he's working on it, be patient please.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Thu, 21 January 2016, 06:32:29
I have also spoken to him,

As he said in a previous post, if you have something urgent, just send him an email. I needed to change my shipping address, he responded the same day.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Thu, 21 January 2016, 14:03:28
So I guess he is still waiting on these keys from the factory? Hope to see an update soon.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Mon, 25 January 2016, 00:16:52
I have also spoken to him,

As he said in a previous post, if you have something urgent, just send him an email. I needed to change my shipping address, he responded the same day.
An email or a PM? I need to do the same.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 25 January 2016, 00:54:58
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Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: daerid on Mon, 25 January 2016, 01:55:57
I've sent two PMs with no response yet (one back in September). I hope he's just busy :(
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: GoatMaster on Mon, 25 January 2016, 08:10:28
Is there any chance to get the set or at least my money ?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Mon, 25 January 2016, 08:25:20
I have also spoken to him,

As he said in a previous post, if you have something urgent, just send him an email. I needed to change my shipping address, he responded the same day.
An email or a PM? I need to do the same.

i emailed his paypal email.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Thu, 28 January 2016, 01:28:45
so were you able to contact him?

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Khers on Thu, 28 January 2016, 05:42:49
.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swornxin on Thu, 28 January 2016, 07:15:30
I emailed Ivan and got a response in a few hours.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: flabbergast on Thu, 28 January 2016, 07:30:23
Hi guys - I've moved away from MX based keyboards, so I no longer want/need this set. So if anyone would like to take over my order, please PM me. I hope this kind of thing is OK with Ivan.
It is an Apple black-on-black set; I've paid $86.12 (paid for shipping to UK), so that's what I'm asking.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Blackhawk on Thu, 28 January 2016, 11:28:38
Unfortunately, I'll have to let go of my US Black on Black order. Selling at cost - $76.76 ($65+$5 group buy fee+$4 shipping + pp fees). Due to an error, I have only paid for US shipping, so I would prefer to sell it to someone in CONUS. Hit me up if you are interested.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: tangkims on Thu, 28 January 2016, 13:33:39
Hi guys - I've moved away from MX based keyboards, so I no longer want/need this set. So if anyone would like to take over my order, please PM me. I hope this kind of thing is OK with Ivan.
It is an Apple black-on-black set; I've paid $86.12 (paid for shipping to UK), so that's what I'm asking.

Is there a way to have it shipped to Canada straight from ivan himself instead so the cost is less? Might be interested
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: asgeirtj on Thu, 28 January 2016, 20:28:49
Anyone want my cherry black on black order for 60$?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 02 February 2016, 18:47:24
Any updates here? Seems like his other buys are going through but the Black on Black gets no love...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: asgeirtj on Sun, 07 February 2016, 08:20:13
Anyone want my cherry black on black order for 60$?

50$? (sorry for spam) GONE
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Grill on Mon, 08 February 2016, 19:11:16
3mo since last update. Which was just him whining about people wanting their money back after not hearing from him for over 100 days.

Confused how this can be defended at all.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Seriously on Thu, 11 February 2016, 17:52:58
3mo since last update. Which was just him whining about people wanting their money back after not hearing from him for over 100 days.

Confused how this can be defended at all.

Keycaps don't get made from thin air. Bluegaloo started in April if I recall, and I only got keys towards the end of last month, so around 9-10 months.

As for whining, the money is all sent to production. Any refunds at this point come out of pocket, if I'm not mistaken. I would be upset at people backing out at the production stage as well.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Grrizz on Thu, 11 February 2016, 21:46:55
3mo since last update. Which was just him whining about people wanting their money back after not hearing from him for over 100 days.

Confused how this can be defended at all.

I wouldn't stress too much, from what I've seen Ivan has a pretty upstanding rep around here and has run successful group buys before, these things do take some time, particularly with custom dye subbing.

I do agree though that it would be nice if he dropped in once a month or so just to say "Hi, things are still being processed, the caps are still currently being produced/dyed/whatever" however generic/repetitive that message might be, if nothing else it would probably help minimise the number for DMs and PP claims I'm sure he's getting.

If it were someone unproven I would be concerned but given his track record I'm not worried as I'm sure he's on top of things and will get back to us when there's something substantial to report.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: flamf on Fri, 12 February 2016, 03:15:29
Anyone want my cherry black on black order for 60$?

50$? (sorry for spam)

PM'd
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Grill on Fri, 12 February 2016, 07:08:51

Keycaps don't get made from thin air. Bluegaloo started in April if I recall, and I only got keys towards the end of last month, so around 9-10 months.

As for whining, the money is all sent to production. Any refunds at this point come out of pocket, if I'm not mistaken. I would be upset at people backing out at the production stage as well.

The time is less important to me than the lack of updates. Single person making the order/has to do everything takes a while. Okay fine. No worries. But tell me.

His only update in something like half a year WAS whining. Because of his lack of updates. If you are going to be upset that people back out at production stage then perhaps an update here or there would have helped. Considering he even said it was because someone wanted to get in touch with him. Even for a single party on the internet this still manages to feel too unprofessional. Do not get back on to say 'things are fine but I won't be able to refund anymore so stop it kbye' and then not make another update! This is why it happened the first time.

Again. Production time was never my issue. Just as this message is not criticizing the time it takes to make something, neither was my last one. I am aware and comfortable with the fact that they do not 'get made from thin air' as you seem to believe that was a part of the message somehow. I am criticizing the lack of information for 6+mo. It's not even like he just has not visited GH at all recently since he's posted. He just has not posted to the people giving him money.

To repeat. Time for production and shipping does not bother me and that is not what this post is about. Grrizz was right. He has a great reputation and that is good but a message every month or two should not be painful. According to Ivan last message it would have reduced at least one PP chargeback to just communicate (it did not come from me).
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 12 February 2016, 12:27:10
come on bro he doesn't have any time to post here, he needs that time to change his profile image
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: regallegion on Fri, 12 February 2016, 14:50:44
come on bro he doesn't have any time to post here, he needs that time to change his profile image

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/supa-hot-fire.gif)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 23 February 2016, 01:26:43
Any update?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: GoatMaster on Tue, 23 February 2016, 03:22:45
Any update?

(https://i.imgur.com/7tb2HgH.png)

Nope ...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: havenlau on Tue, 23 February 2016, 08:22:18
are we doomed
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 23 February 2016, 12:37:35
A bit disheartening as my first group buy on geek hack. I think I'll stick to mass drop from now on, they even had these caps...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Tue, 23 February 2016, 14:24:12
A bit disheartening as my first group buy on geek hack. I think I'll stick to mass drop from now on, they even had these caps...
They definitely didn't have these caps. The originative caps are ABS.

Don't be disheartened. Lots of great GBs on GH.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 23 February 2016, 18:09:26
A bit disheartening as my first group buy on geek hack. I think I'll stick to mass drop from now on, they even had these caps...
They definitely didn't have these caps. The originative caps are ABS.

Don't be disheartened. Lots of great GBs on GH.
Oh good to know. I'm all about PBT.  I'll keep an eye out then. I'm just whining mostly. I've got a keyboard waiting for them with cheap Vortex PBT that needs replacing!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 23 February 2016, 20:54:48
A bit disheartening as my first group buy on geek hack. I think I'll stick to mass drop from now on, they even had these caps...
They definitely didn't have these caps. The originative caps are ABS.

Don't be disheartened. Lots of great GBs on GH.
Oh good to know. I'm all about PBT.  I'll keep an eye out then. I'm just whining mostly. I've got a keyboard waiting for them with cheap Vortex PBT that needs replacing!

Your caps will show up soon  :thumb:

Just hold out a little longer
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: HighNoon on Tue, 23 February 2016, 22:40:57
Man I almost forgot I ordered a set of these. Been in a few GBs that have taken much longer than this, so I will continue to wait patiently. Thanks again for running this Ivan!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Thu, 25 February 2016, 14:30:07
I am not going to back out or anything like that. This is an end game set for me of sorts so I am really excited to get it.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Thu, 25 February 2016, 15:04:33
The one who waits for a long time always waits for something good(swedish saying, sound like **** in english though)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Fri, 26 February 2016, 15:59:43
The no update thing kinda sucks atleast say that your not going to be able to post for a while due to whatever not a half ass update or screaming at us to stop backing out
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Seriously on Sat, 27 February 2016, 16:14:24
The one who waits for a long time always waits for something good(swedish saying, sound like **** in english though)
"Good things come to those who wait."
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: onesassysoccermom on Sun, 28 February 2016, 13:41:23
Any update?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/7tb2HgH.png)


Nope ...

At least he logged into GH in the year 2016.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Sun, 28 February 2016, 15:34:34
The one who waits for a long time always waits for something good(swedish saying, sound like **** in english though)
"Good things come to those who wait."

Ye that sounds better :)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Villain on Mon, 29 February 2016, 09:00:19
Interested in the japanese keysets if anyone change their mind
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 1swt2gs on Mon, 29 February 2016, 13:16:20
Still interested in a black blank set :D

I wouldn't mind taking over anyones order either!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Mon, 29 February 2016, 14:25:02
The no update thing kinda sucks atleast say that your not going to be able to post for a while due to whatever not a half ass update or screaming at us to stop backing out
I agree. A positive update would do wonders for moral.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Mon, 29 February 2016, 18:31:42
I am going to back out of this Group buy through paypal dispute. I do not mind having my money hold up for more then a few months or even up to a year if the seller provided updates (at least once every month or 2 months) or reason to his absence. His last update on this thread was from 04 December 2015, 3 months ago which is totally unacceptable from my point of view. Sorry I hate to do this ivan but you leave me without any other option.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: MAR82 on Tue, 01 March 2016, 03:20:46
I am going to back out of this Group buy through paypal dispute. I do not mind having my money hold up for more then a few months or even up to a year if the seller provided updates (at least once every month or 2 months) or reason to his absence. His last update on this thread was from 04 December 2015, 3 months ago which is totally unacceptable from my point of view. Sorry I hate to do this ivan but you leave me without any other option.

Hey dude, if you really want to back out of this GB please sell your order and do not file a PP dispute. Or at the very least send Ivan an email asking if he can give you your money back, it would be way better than filling a dispute, unless your goal is create havoc
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: archer on Tue, 01 March 2016, 08:37:56
I am going to back out of this Group buy through paypal dispute. I do not mind having my money hold up for more then a few months or even up to a year if the seller provided updates (at least once every month or 2 months) or reason to his absence. His last update on this thread was from 04 December 2015, 3 months ago which is totally unacceptable from my point of view. Sorry I hate to do this ivan but you leave me without any other option.
How can you file a dispute if the payment was so long ago?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Rafa_n on Tue, 01 March 2016, 08:44:13
i don´t think he can, the dispute limit is 180 days. Maybe if he got it from an order transfer later or and the limit has not expired yet
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Tue, 01 March 2016, 08:50:51
I am going to back out of this Group buy through paypal dispute. I do not mind having my money hold up for more then a few months or even up to a year if the seller provided updates (at least once every month or 2 months) or reason to his absence. His last update on this thread was from 04 December 2015, 3 months ago which is totally unacceptable from my point of view. Sorry I hate to do this ivan but you leave me without any other option.

Hey dude, if you really want to back out of this GB please sell your order and do not file a PP dispute. Or at the very least send Ivan an email asking if he can give you your money back, it would be way better than filling a dispute, unless your goal is create havoc
I agree with mar82. There's a few people on here willing to buy someone's order. You should make a post with what you have and how much you want to transfer it for. I'm sure someone will snag it up! Please don't file a dispute though.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Tue, 01 March 2016, 14:04:33
I am going to back out of this Group buy through paypal dispute. I do not mind having my money hold up for more then a few months or even up to a year if the seller provided updates (at least once every month or 2 months) or reason to his absence. His last update on this thread was from 04 December 2015, 3 months ago which is totally unacceptable from my point of view. Sorry I hate to do this ivan but you leave me without any other option.

Hey dude, if you really want to back out of this GB please sell your order and do not file a PP dispute. Or at the very least send Ivan an email asking if he can give you your money back, it would be way better than filling a dispute, unless your goal is create havoc
Not trying to create havoc it was never my intent but it is unacceptable that has give one update since the 8 month span of this group buy. now I agree that i may have gone overboard but finding a seller online is to take my place is hard (for the price i paid)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Grill on Wed, 02 March 2016, 14:55:44
It's true. His only update was a non-update that held no meaningful information.

No information to go on, people like swimmingbird early in the thread saying it's a given that it'll be here by 2015 still saying they will show soon. It's 1/4 the way through 2016 now. Waiting is fine. Waiting for a meaningful update should not be this ridiculous. Defending this kind of non-action makes even less sense to me.

Ivan, did you hurt yourself again? Take a vow of silence? Still choosing your next profile pic? What possible reason do you have for not giving us a two sentence update like 'Is in production. Shut up now' or 'Sorting them out. Sending soon'? I feel like these are basic things and easy to type out on your way to work or before logging off to go to bed :/ I work full time and fence. Busy schedule. Still have time to type quick things out.

EDIT: I should probably be nicer but honestly I just feel like whipped dog waiting for scraps of information as handout or something.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 02 March 2016, 15:45:06


EDIT: I should probably be nicer but honestly I just feel like whipped dog waiting for scraps of information as handout or something.

I thought you were very reasonable and genuine in your thoughts.

I, like many others, thought that this would be a quick and safe GB since Ivan had a very good reputation. Thankfully, I'm in a position that if this falls through I won't miss the money terribly. However, I'm of the opinion that this buy isn't going to get completed. Ivan came online at the end of January and didn't update this thread at all. To me, that sends a pretty clear message. Please prove me wrong Ivan. Make us whole.

If the money from this buy is already spent then that means that our keycaps should be out there somewhere in this world. An update would do wonders to help the moral of this thread.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Wed, 02 March 2016, 15:57:24


EDIT: I should probably be nicer but honestly I just feel like whipped dog waiting for scraps of information as handout or something.

I thought you were very reasonable and genuine in your thoughts.

I, like many others, thought that this would be a quick and safe GB since Ivan had a very good reputation. Thankfully, I'm in a position that if this falls through I won't miss the money terribly. However, I'm of the opinion that this buy isn't going to get completed. Ivan came online at the end of January and didn't update this thread at all. To me, that sends a pretty clear message. Please prove me wrong Ivan. Make us whole.

If the money from this buy is already spent then that means that our keycaps should be out there somewhere in this world. An update would do wonders to help the moral of this thread.

Yeah, I'm with you on this. I've already waited this long for them, so if I never get them, so be it. I would just like to know if they're ever going to come or not so I can unsubscribe to this thread, order other caps, and move on.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: TBone on Thu, 03 March 2016, 00:13:38
I was in Ivan's PBT Round 4 GB, and after he went offline I still got the caps in late December. When he gets them from IMSTO he's going to ship them, he's just not communicating much right now. No doubt, he will probably not keep doing GB's, but I know he will deliver on this even if it's later than expected. It's Ivan guys, not some amateur. Stay strong.  :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Sat, 05 March 2016, 08:44:48
I have a black on black set that I'm willing to let go. PM me of you want it
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: tchevass on Sat, 05 March 2016, 09:21:53
I would like to sell my set but how does it work ? What do I need to do
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Sat, 05 March 2016, 11:45:33
I would like to sell my set but how does it work ? What do I need to do
Just list what you bought and would like to sell and find someone willing to take your place. Then just PM Ivan (if he ever get on that is) the address change and username that's taking over.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Digitize on Sun, 06 March 2016, 15:01:07
Looking to sell my black on black set. CONUS only. Paid exactly $76.76 for it and letting it for the same price. Was really looking forward to actually receiving this set but life happens and need to come up with money to hopefully fix my car. PM me if interested.

Update: sorry if I didn't mention this but it's a regular cherry black on black set.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Villain on Sun, 06 March 2016, 16:17:02
japanese?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Digitize on Mon, 07 March 2016, 17:01:23
japanese?

Sorry I forgot to mention but it's a cherry black on black.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Norman_the_Owl on Tue, 08 March 2016, 19:30:53
You know, i want to pick up these Cherry BoB sets people keep offering for sale in this thread but i'm not throwing more money at these caps until i get proof that maybe they'll show up someday

I thought this group buy would have a relatively quick turnaround. This is just ridiculous for such simple caps
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: oisw on Thu, 10 March 2016, 08:13:54
If anyone's looking to get rid of theri BoB RU caps I'd be interested in picking them up.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Butter on Tue, 15 March 2016, 10:18:07
Anyone got news from the manufacture for this GB?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Rafa_n on Tue, 15 March 2016, 10:22:29
one day, when i have time, i'll gather up all of those "come on bro, it´s ivan, don´t worry" posts  :-*
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Butter on Tue, 15 March 2016, 10:25:19
one day, when i have time, i'll gather up all of those "come on bro, it´s ivan, don´t worry" posts  :-*

You won't find any new one soon.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: admiralvorian on Tue, 15 March 2016, 11:04:01
It's true. His only update was a non-update that held no meaningful information.

No information to go on, people like swimmingbird early in the thread saying it's a given that it'll be here by 2015 still saying they will show soon. It's 1/4 the way through 2016 now. Waiting is fine. Waiting for a meaningful update should not be this ridiculous. Defending this kind of non-action makes even less sense to me.

Ivan, did you hurt yourself again? Take a vow of silence? Still choosing your next profile pic? What possible reason do you have for not giving us a two sentence update like 'Is in production. Shut up now' or 'Sorting them out. Sending soon'? I feel like these are basic things and easy to type out on your way to work or before logging off to go to bed :/ I work full time and fence. Busy schedule. Still have time to type quick things out.

EDIT: I should probably be nicer but honestly I just feel like whipped dog waiting for scraps of information as handout or something.

Don't worry about it man, that is the nature of GH. In every single group buy of Ivan's that I've joined he's been terrible at communicating, and people have always been saying things like "don't worry caps will come" etc. They also use the argument that "Ivan will update when there is new info!" which he obviously does not but I let them have their delusions.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Tue, 15 March 2016, 11:27:55
Let's talk to Imsto
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 27 on Tue, 15 March 2016, 14:04:41
Let's talk to Imsto
I agree.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: SJHL on Tue, 15 March 2016, 14:05:24
Hey guys. I havent said anything in regards to this groupbuy since a lot of members have stated that Ivan is a trusted member so automatically, I believed in him. However, I need to ask given the situation with his previous groupbuys going crazy, has anyone got in contact with Imsto to atleast confirm that the payment has been made for this keycap set?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Tue, 15 March 2016, 14:23:48
i recently sent a pm to imsto, telling him what happened in the other thread.
Asked him to come here to make a statment.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: SJHL on Tue, 15 March 2016, 14:32:50
i recently sent a pm to imsto, telling him what happened in the other thread.
Asked him to come here to make a statment.

Thank you!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: inanis on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:08:57
It would appear, we have likely been scammed. :(  Check the Miami Nights Thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71507.msg2100322#msg2100322)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:13:06
It would appear, we have likely been scammed. :(  Check the Miami Nights Thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71507.msg2100322#msg2100322)


we might still have a shot if these went into production.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: inanis on Tue, 15 March 2016, 15:15:16
It would appear, we have likely been scammed. :(  Check the Miami Nights Thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71507.msg2100322#msg2100322)


we might still have a shot if these went into production.
I hope so! I really wanted these stupid caps. I'm so disappointed.  :(

Oh well, such is life.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 15 March 2016, 16:08:31
I can't believe this happened. I know that all group buys have a risk but everyone said we could trust Ivan. This is my first and last group buy on GeekHack. I can't express my disappointment. I make 14k a year and spending $60 on a keyset is not trivial for me. We really got boned...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Norman_the_Owl on Tue, 15 March 2016, 17:34:24
That's $47.64 i'm never going to see again...

It's literally been a year. I paid on march 26 2015. This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: cryptowillem on Tue, 15 March 2016, 18:46:19
Now I'm happy I was just getting the blanks. Less money involved.

Well, lesson learned, I guess.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: omen7288 on Tue, 15 March 2016, 19:02:47
Now I'm happy I was just getting the blanks. Less money involved.

Well, lesson learned, I guess.

1x blank and 2 other.. 145$.. GREAT.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: regallegion on Tue, 15 March 2016, 20:59:54
It be great to get some input from the Mods, maybe HoffmanMyster? Is there any positive confirmation that this buy is boned other than the lack of order for Miami Nights?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: imsto on Tue, 15 March 2016, 21:03:05
Maybe Ivan's in trouble......  hope he will come back quickly and give me the money.
All the black keys had been sent to him one month ago. Think he should at least send you all the keys what ever happened
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: demik on Tue, 15 March 2016, 21:05:58
ruh roh
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: beehatch on Tue, 15 March 2016, 21:07:47
zoinks
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: inanis on Tue, 15 March 2016, 21:09:18
 :'(

This sucks
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Tue, 15 March 2016, 21:09:43
Jinkies
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Metr0 on Tue, 15 March 2016, 21:10:44
Has Ivan lost his global mod?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: demik on Tue, 15 March 2016, 21:13:10
Has Ivan lost his global mod?

my guess is GH is trying to distanced themselves from this. which is understandable as being a GH mod has nothing to do with what is happening.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: HannahPeach on Tue, 15 March 2016, 21:13:35
I can't believe this happened. I know that all group buys have a risk but everyone said we could trust Ivan. This is my first and last group buy on GeekHack. I can't express my disappointment. I make 14k a year and spending $60 on a keyset is not trivial for me. We really got boned...

So sorry bud. :(
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 15 March 2016, 21:26:05
It be great to get some input from the Mods, maybe HoffmanMyster? Is there any positive confirmation that this buy is boned other than the lack of order for Miami Nights?

I reached out to Ivan last night when things started getting shaky (before the news was posted in the GMK buy thread), to A) verify he is alive and well and B) follow up with a direct inquiry as to the status of these three buys.  I did receive an email back from him last night (I mistakenly said in the GMK buy that he had not responded, which is not true - I didn't see his response at the time) and he said all is fine but he is not active much (I had not asked about the buys at this point).  I have responded asking very pointedly for an update re: lack of orders placed.  No word yet, but I will update as I can.

Has Ivan lost his global mod?

my guess is GH is trying to distanced themselves from this. which is understandable as being a GH mod has nothing to do with what is happening.

This is really just the last straw for us.  Mods need to be active or we will de-mod them.  We've done it before with other mods that were not involved in such incidents and were simply inactive.  If this whole fraud ordeal is truly what's happening and not a misunderstanding, we would have de-modded him, yes.  But not in any way to cover things up - simply because it's what would need to be done at that time.


Hope this helps clear things up on our end.  I will be making a more formal post when I have a bit more time to devote to it.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Tue, 15 March 2016, 21:30:48
It be great to get some input from the Mods, maybe HoffmanMyster? Is there any positive confirmation that this buy is boned other than the lack of order for Miami Nights?

I reached out to Ivan last night when things started getting shaky (before the news was posted in the GMK buy thread), to A) verify he is alive and well and B) follow up with a direct inquiry as to the status of these three buys.  I did receive an email back from him last night (I mistakenly said in the GMK buy that he had not responded, which is not true - I didn't see his response at the time) and he said all is fine but he is not active much (I had not asked about the buys at this point).  I have responded asking very pointedly for an update re: lack of orders placed.  No word yet, but I will update as I can.

Has Ivan lost his global mod?

my guess is GH is trying to distanced themselves from this. which is understandable as being a GH mod has nothing to do with what is happening.

This is really just the last straw for us.  Mods need to be active or we will de-mod them.  We've done it before with other mods that were not involved in such incidents and were simply inactive.  If this whole fraud ordeal is truly what's happening and not a misunderstanding, we would have de-modded him, yes.  But not in any way to cover things up - simply because it's what would need to be done at that time.


Hope this helps clear things up on our end.  I will be making a more formal post when I have a bit more time to devote to it.
Thanks for the update ffoH! Hopefully things sort themselves out and we can all move on from this :thumb:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: havenlau on Tue, 15 March 2016, 22:53:24
 I think it's a good idea to make it necessary for the GB leader to provide a proof or a receipt directly from the manufacturer as a validation on every GB.

For whatever reason Ivan is in need of this amount of money I hope he is doing ok, wouldn't have minded paying extra for this GB to go through but oh well, can't really get angry over lost $ anymore  :p

over the last 2 years I've been extremely unlucky with my online purchases, items being shipped to somewhere else, crazy UPS brokerage fee, forgetting to transfer from saving to chequing (lol) and get charged ridiculously, got my steam account hijacked... learned it the hard way, but just don't get too attached to physical matters and cash  :thumb: if it's gone then just let it go and move on.. probably gonna take a break from GBs tho
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: daerid on Wed, 16 March 2016, 01:17:30
****.

All the black keys had been sent to him one month ago. Think he should at least send you all the keys what ever happened

I've supported Ivan throughout this entire thread, but if the caps were sent to him a month ago, and he's not yet posted any updates, then that's some bulls**t. It takes a couple of minutes to post an update, and there's been nothing. I paid for two sets a year ago and was really looking forward to the Aurabesh set.

Fuuuuuu

I've always had great luck here on GH with the Classifieds and group buys, but I guess there's a first time for everything :(
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Wed, 16 March 2016, 01:28:25
Maybe Ivan's in trouble......  hope he will come back quickly and give me the money.
All the black keys had been sent to him one month ago. Think he should at least send you all the keys what ever happened

He has not paid you? So he got the keys,  let's hope he ships them.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: calvinhousecat on Wed, 16 March 2016, 01:36:53
Note to self, email the manufacturer of the GB every month for an update just to make sure the money actually gets sent through
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: WNovizar on Wed, 16 March 2016, 01:54:08
It be great to get some input from the Mods, maybe HoffmanMyster? Is there any positive confirmation that this buy is boned other than the lack of order for Miami Nights?

I reached out to Ivan last night when things started getting shaky (before the news was posted in the GMK buy thread), to A) verify he is alive and well and B) follow up with a direct inquiry as to the status of these three buys.  I did receive an email back from him last night (I mistakenly said in the GMK buy that he had not responded, which is not true - I didn't see his response at the time) and he said all is fine but he is not active much (I had not asked about the buys at this point).  I have responded asking very pointedly for an update re: lack of orders placed.  No word yet, but I will update as I can.

Has Ivan lost his global mod?

my guess is GH is trying to distanced themselves from this. which is understandable as being a GH mod has nothing to do with what is happening.

This is really just the last straw for us.  Mods need to be active or we will de-mod them.  We've done it before with other mods that were not involved in such incidents and were simply inactive.  If this whole fraud ordeal is truly what's happening and not a misunderstanding, we would have de-modded him, yes.  But not in any way to cover things up - simply because it's what would need to be done at that time.


Hope this helps clear things up on our end.  I will be making a more formal post when I have a bit more time to devote to it.

Since you helped him sort his past GB, can't you visit his house? On assumption that you know him well enough in real life, that is.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 16 March 2016, 06:15:44
Since you helped him sort his past GB, can't you visit his house? On assumption that you know him well enough in real life, that is.

In theory, yes. However, it has been over 1.5 years since I've been there so I can't confidently know he hasn't moved. He also lives in a complex so I wouldn't have access to his actual front door. Also, it's a 9 hour drive that I am not prepared to make with no hope of results. There are at least three geekhackers that are much closer (within an hour).
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: sairex on Wed, 16 March 2016, 13:03:37
Thanks Hoffman - much appreciated with the updates on the situation.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Wed, 16 March 2016, 16:15:57
I can't believe this happened. I know that all group buys have a risk but everyone said we could trust Ivan. This is my first and last group buy on GeekHack. I can't express my disappointment. I make 14k a year and spending $60 on a keyset is not trivial for me. We really got boned...

So sorry bud. :(

I appreciate that. This was my first nice set too. I have some Vortech Doubleshot PBT and some Keycool PBT this was going to be my budget endgame lol. Perhaps not all is lost but I should have just gone with Signature Plastics instead.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: algidplasma on Wed, 16 March 2016, 18:42:36
This is the first GB I ever joined, really wanted those hangul caps

I still have hope that ivan will come out and explain all  :(
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Digitize on Wed, 16 March 2016, 20:24:50
Holy moly for the update. Guess that means I can't sell my set/spot in this damn Groupbuy if this is the current status. Better luck next time I guess.

Note to self: don't participate in future group buys if it's this much hassle to see the end product. Faith and trust over the Internet to "one" individual is blasphemous.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Grill on Fri, 18 March 2016, 00:04:40
Welp. Alright. This news makes me a sad grill.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: MaNiFeX on Fri, 18 March 2016, 15:19:29
Maybe Ivan's in trouble......  hope he will come back quickly and give me the money.
All the black keys had been sent to him one month ago. Think he should at least send you all the keys what ever happened

Hey guys, I'm a receiver of two sister group buys.  I'm guessing Ivan is sorting your GB and will be sending it out next.  PBT4 is done, yours was made, Miami Nights was not ordered.  I hope we get some confirmation, but this _is_ status quo for this leader.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:07:36
Maybe Ivan's in trouble......  hope he will come back quickly and give me the money.
All the black keys had been sent to him one month ago. Think he should at least send you all the keys what ever happened

Hey guys, I'm a receiver of two sister group buys.  I'm guessing Ivan is sorting your GB and will be sending it out next.  PBT4 is done, yours was made, Miami Nights was not ordered.  I hope we get some confirmation, but this _is_ status quo for this leader.

It is not status quo to pretend all is fine and then stop responding when questions are asked about specifics related to the group buy, though.  :-/
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Fri, 18 March 2016, 17:31:13
so were going to just let this slide? If he really just conned us is there nothing we can do? because Im not in a financially stable situation where i can just let 100 slide. 
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 18 March 2016, 17:54:11
Maybe Ivan's in trouble......  hope he will come back quickly and give me the money.
All the black keys had been sent to him one month ago. Think he should at least send you all the keys what ever happened

Hey guys, I'm a receiver of two sister group buys.  I'm guessing Ivan is sorting your GB and will be sending it out next.  PBT4 is done, yours was made, Miami Nights was not ordered.  I hope we get some confirmation, but this _is_ status quo for this leader.

I don't know why you've suddenly jumped to the defense of Ivan

Sure I can get things taking a long time to post but there is literally no reason for him not to order Miami Nights

Also he has not paid IMSTO despite them sending the goods to him - pretty ****ty behaviour
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: havenlau on Sat, 19 March 2016, 19:47:02
Maybe Ivan's in trouble......  hope he will come back quickly and give me the money.
All the black keys had been sent to him one month ago. Think he should at least send you all the keys what ever happened

Hey guys, I'm a receiver of two sister group buys.  I'm guessing Ivan is sorting your GB and will be sending it out next.  PBT4 is done, yours was made, Miami Nights was not ordered.  I hope we get some confirmation, but this _is_ status quo for this leader.

I don't know why you've suddenly jumped to the defense of Ivan

Sure I can get things taking a long time to post but there is literally no reason for him not to order Miami Nights

Also he has not paid IMSTO despite them sending the goods to him - pretty ****ty behaviour
I pity imsto's lost more than my own

Gonna buy sets directly from him from now on  :-X  ... if he ever stocks
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Atredl on Sat, 19 March 2016, 20:10:44

Maybe Ivan's in trouble......  hope he will come back quickly and give me the money.
All the black keys had been sent to him one month ago. Think he should at least send you all the keys what ever happened

Hey guys, I'm a receiver of two sister group buys.  I'm guessing Ivan is sorting your GB and will be sending it out next.  PBT4 is done, yours was made, Miami Nights was not ordered.  I hope we get some confirmation, but this _is_ status quo for this leader.

I don't know why you've suddenly jumped to the defense of Ivan

Sure I can get things taking a long time to post but there is literally no reason for him not to order Miami Nights

Also he has not paid IMSTO despite them sending the goods to him - pretty ****ty behaviour
I pity imsto's lost more than my own

Gonna buy sets directly from him from now on  :-X  ... if he ever stocks

Wait... Ivan already has the finished keys and hasn't paid IMSTO? That's ****ed!

I previously thought Ivan had unfinished caps and simply hadn't sent them to IMSTO yet. After reading the post again, this version makes more sense.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 19 March 2016, 20:56:05
I think it seems strange that he would have the keys and not ship them out. It would need a lot less explaining if he had taken the money, but why have all the keys and not ship them out? What are you going to do with all those keys?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Atredl on Sat, 19 March 2016, 21:53:16
It costs money to ship out keys.

If someone as trusted as Ivan was pushed into stealing the money to get out of a sticky situation, then I don't think it's too far a stretch to think that he doesn't want to spend one more dime on these GB's. He even told people to stop trying to stop opening PayPal disputes. It doesn't excuse him one bit, but he's obviously in a situation where he has to keep every dollar he can get his hands on.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 19 March 2016, 22:16:15
IF YOU ARE PART OF THIS GROUP BUY PLEASE READ

More than a reasonable amount of time has passed for Ivan to come forward and explain the situation.
I am now putting together as much evidence as I can to present to the relevant authorities.
I am calling on everyone who has participated in an affected Group Buy to forward me their relevant PayPal transaction details so that we have a solid case if the time calls for it.
The more evidence we gather, the better chance we have of this being taken seriously and getting our money back.

Please send the following:
- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]

to
ivanevidence@gmail.com

The more evidence we get the better chance we have of getting our money back.
If any moderator wants to come forward and take sole or shared ownership of this email address for the sake of oversight please PM me.

If any of you are worried about sending me your personal information, please PM me and we can discuss you sending your evidence directly when the time calls for it.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Stabilized on Sun, 20 March 2016, 10:17:37
Please send the following:
- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]

How do you want us to send you the Paypal stuff? Should I save the forms as a PDF and put them as an attachment?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: LeandreN on Sun, 20 March 2016, 11:36:30
Please send the following:
- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]

How do you want us to send you the Paypal stuff? Should I save the forms as a PDF and put them as an attachment?

I think a screenshot should be enough.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 20 March 2016, 22:55:09
Please send the following:
- Paypal invoice from Ivan for relevant GB
- Paypal receipt from relevant GB
- Your contact details, including name, geekhack username, phone number and address [optional]

How do you want us to send you the Paypal stuff? Should I save the forms as a PDF and put them as an attachment?

I think a screenshot should be enough.

Yep this

Just open up your original invoice from Ivan and take a screenshot - the only personal info this will have is your email address
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: HighNoon on Mon, 21 March 2016, 17:11:01
swimmingbird I just sent you my info. Hoping I can get my $76.76 back. Thanks for organizing this.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: litster on Tue, 22 March 2016, 00:06:13
swimmingbird, That is quite a bit of personal information that you are trying to collect.  What could you do with all the buyers' information?  What could the information prove to the relevant authority? 

Ivan replied to personal email, why doesn't he post on this thread with his update?  It is one thing he gave up on the site and the hobby (I have been off here for quite some time), it is quite another when you are holding tens of thousands of dollars from people who trusted him. 
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: henz on Tue, 22 March 2016, 10:01:15
swimmingbird, That is quite a bit of personal information that you are trying to collect.  What could you do with all the buyers' information?  What could the information prove to the relevant authority? 

Ivan replied to personal email, why doesn't he post on this thread with his update?  It is one thing he gave up on the site and the hobby (I have been off here for quite some time), it is quite another when you are holding tens of thousands of dollars from people who trusted him.

what did he say to you?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Tue, 22 March 2016, 16:50:03
swimmingbird, That is quite a bit of personal information that you are trying to collect.  What could you do with all the buyers' information?  What could the information prove to the relevant authority? 

Ivan replied to personal email, why doesn't he post on this thread with his update?  It is one thing he gave up on the site and the hobby (I have been off here for quite some time), it is quite another when you are holding tens of thousands of dollars from people who trusted him.
he hasn't been on since the 28 of January? How is he suppose to reply.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: litster on Tue, 22 March 2016, 22:43:46
He may not be on since January.  But he is alive and he is well enough to reply to personal email.  He knows he owes GH people tens of thousands of dollars.  He is not replying not because he has not been on Since January.  He is not replying because he doesn't have the guts to come back here.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: redskull on Tue, 22 March 2016, 22:58:08
He may not be on since January.  But he is alive and he is well enough to reply to personal email.  He knows he owes GH people tens of thousands of dollars.  He is not replying not because he has not been on Since January.  He is not replying because he doesn't have the guts to come back here.

then what is his next step in resolving this issue sir? are you in constant contact with him?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: litster on Tue, 22 March 2016, 23:26:17
I am not in contact with him.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: telnet on Wed, 23 March 2016, 01:02:24
It is understandable that people lose interest in hobbies. On GH and r/MK everyone talks about their endgame.  The reality is that the endgame is not a phenomenal moment when you find the best keyboard. The endgame is the keyboard that is good enough and your interest in the hobby fizzles out.

Without much incentive there really isn't much that would make Ivan come back to face the pitchforks from all the group buy participants. (I am a participant of this GB)
What we (the participants) want is to either our caps or get a refund, and have some timely updates on the situation.

I'm going to make the assumption that Ivan has not spent the group buy money.  What are his action options to make things right?

- He has received the black pbt caps, they need to be sorted, packed, and shipped out.
+He could ship the whole set to another GB organizer that is willing to help take on the work.
+IMSTO would need to be paid

- GMK buyers would need to have their money refunded.
+ Paypal refund timeline would have expired, so there is no simple way of doing this. An actual payment would need to be made to all the participants.
+ He could send the money and a CSV export of those buyers to a trusted person, who could send the money back to each individual.

To get a good outcome for all of us, even Ivan, it really comes down to making these actions steps simple for him. Reduce the barriers, so we can all move beyond this awful and stressful situation. The posts about contacting authorities or legal action might not be the best first step.  These actions should only be take if there is no other solution, such as the GB money is gone.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: daerid on Wed, 23 March 2016, 16:07:18
He is not replying because he doesn't have the guts to come back here.

If you're not in contact with him, how can you be sure of this?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: TBone on Wed, 23 March 2016, 16:21:25
He is not replying because he doesn't have the guts to come back here.

If you're not in contact with him, how can you be sure of this?

It seems like Lister is just purely speculating and referring to how Hoff emailed with Ivan recently (until Hoff brought up GB's, then silence)...unless I'm misunderstanding.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: litster on Thu, 24 March 2016, 10:21:33
TBone is the smart one.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: MaNiFeX on Thu, 24 March 2016, 11:59:30

To get a good outcome for all of us, even Ivan, it really comes down to making these actions steps simple for him. Reduce the barriers, so we can all move beyond this awful and stressful situation. The posts about contacting authorities or legal action might not be the best first step.  These actions should only be take if there is no other solution, such as the GB money is gone.

Stopping by from the Miami group buy.  I agree with telnet, he's gotten PBT4 out, has the keys for this buy, and still has some work to do.  The best result for all would be to move things forward, if they can...  I really hope Ivan surfaces and explains what's up, though. 
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: mattrox217 on Thu, 24 March 2016, 13:31:02
What a disaster. Shame this happened. Thankfully, I don't care about the money anymore, it's just too bad it fell apart like this. I'm still hopeful and would love my set, but at this point it's looking pretty bleak.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Baddy126 on Thu, 24 March 2016, 14:37:48
He may not be on since January.  But he is alive and he is well enough to reply to personal email.  He knows he owes GH people tens of thousands of dollars.  He is not replying not because he has not been on Since January.  He is not replying because he doesn't have the guts to come back here.

You're assuming Ivan cares about the community and the people in it... He's not showing his face not because he doesn't have the guts to... it's because he doesn't care about gh nor anyone from it. He gained all he could and left... what would be the point of him coming back here now?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: animaliaparadoxa on Thu, 24 March 2016, 15:28:14
He may not be on since January.  But he is alive and he is well enough to reply to personal email.  He knows he owes GH people tens of thousands of dollars.  He is not replying not because he has not been on Since January.  He is not replying because he doesn't have the guts to come back here.

You're assuming Ivan cares about the community and the people in it... He's not showing his face not because he doesn't have the guts to... it's because he doesn't care about gh nor anyone from it. He gained all he could and left... what would be the point of him coming back here now?
People have this unfortunate but understandable tendency to fill in gaps of knowledge with speculation. Which is what people are doing here, with exception to Hoff and IMSTO. I'm not defending Ivan and his actions/inactions because I'm also pissed about the lack of communication and fraud potential of this GB. However - you cannot know the mind of another and coming here telling everybody what you believe is motivating Ivan is not constructive.

I'm all for pursuing some form of legal recourse after, and only after, there has been some attempt at resolution, internally, within the geekhack community. Moderators and IRL associates of Ivan's should be called on to collect the facts to the best of their ability. This seems to be happening currently to some extent.

I care about the keycaps and money but I think the larger stake is community integrity and trust. This is my first Ivan GB but I've participated, with positive outcomes, in others by Elton, Feng, and GhostOfHarry. I jumped on this one because of Ivan's reputation for delivering the good **** - albeit slowly and with minimal communication at times. His behavior this time around puts any future group buys in jeopardy. Not only his own (however unlikely they are to occur) but those by other organisers. What rational person would participate in future buys after perusing this and the Miami night thread?

I'm interested in facts rather than uninformed opinion. And I apologise in case you have insider information we've not been made aware of. This is more a general statement and not so much me targeting individuals.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: daerid on Thu, 24 March 2016, 18:55:54
TBone is the smart one.

Ahh makes sense. My misunderstanding.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 24 March 2016, 23:57:23
I've sent an update email to everyone who has reached me on the gmail address

If you don't get it for some reason the gist of it is reach out to paypal as soon as possible and file a claim with them

Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Stabilized on Fri, 25 March 2016, 06:34:29
I've sent an update email to everyone who has reached me on the gmail address

If you don't get it for some reason the gist of it is reach out to paypal as soon as possible and file a claim with them

Even though it is outside of the 180 day dispute period if enough people come forward they can investigate Ivan and take action against him

I am not so familiar with making a claim on Paypal (first time doing it, guess that's lucky). How do you do it? I tried going to the resolution centre and I typed up a message, but it made it out that it would go straight to Ivan, and now I can't find any evidence of me sending it...

So should I email them directly at customer support or is there something I missed on the website somewhere?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: mattrox217 on Fri, 25 March 2016, 08:11:36
I'm not going to open a dispute because if the caps ever do come through I still want them. However, if you're looking to open a dispute, you can do so by following the instructions on the following page. It looks like it will allow you to open a dispute for older orders, but who knows what their response will be.

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#13
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: E3E on Fri, 25 March 2016, 08:27:59
I wonder what happened to Ivan. This was the first group buy I joined along with the CF-LX group buy (both of which I dropped out of, but more for financial reasons over fraud or delays), and back then, everyone was backing up how reliable Ivan was and how he's been a trustworthy GB leader since 2013.

So what happened? :-X
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Waateva on Fri, 25 March 2016, 08:44:54
I wonder what happened to Ivan. This was the first group buy I joined along with the CF-LX group buy (both of which I dropped out of, but more for financial reasons over fraud or delays), and back then, everyone was backing up how reliable Ivan was and how he's been a trustworthy GB leader since 2013.

So what happened? :-X

I think that is what a lot of the people here are wondering as well.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: rainb1ood on Fri, 25 March 2016, 09:07:39
Someone probably stole his colorful couch and went mad
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: archer on Fri, 25 March 2016, 13:10:17
I'm not going to open a dispute because if the caps ever do come through I still want them. However, if you're looking to open a dispute, you can do so by following the instructions on the following page. It looks like it will allow you to open a dispute for older orders, but who knows what their response will be.

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#13
Where do you see, in that link, where we can submit a dispute for orders place over 180 days out?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Fri, 25 March 2016, 19:01:20
I'm not going to open a dispute because if the caps ever do come through I still want them. However, if you're looking to open a dispute, you can do so by following the instructions on the following page. It looks like it will allow you to open a dispute for older orders, but who knows what their response will be.

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full#13
Where do you see, in that link, where we can submit a dispute for orders place over 180 days out?
You cant. I've tried already. Paypal would not even look at a depute after 180 days. I was shocked that swimmingbird was even able to get a response from paypal considering the circumstances.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 25 March 2016, 20:30:36
You need to call them and escalate it as high as you can
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Moonshinedawg on Sat, 26 March 2016, 16:39:28
I think I'll be sticking to Massdrop from now on.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Mon, 28 March 2016, 18:11:14
So it's safe to assume that we would likely never see that money again?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: havenlau on Tue, 29 March 2016, 15:56:55
So it's safe to assume that we would likely never see that money again?

I really hope my caps would show up one day  :-[
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: VERGiL on Wed, 30 March 2016, 07:20:00
Funny thing is, you can now order the set from imsto himself: http://imsto.cn/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=108
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lolpes on Wed, 30 March 2016, 07:33:42
Funny thing is, you can now order the set from imsto himself: http://imsto.cn/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=108

Has been there for quite sometime and not in all the layouts proposed for this GB. I think they are remnants from round 1.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: havenlau on Wed, 30 March 2016, 18:38:41
Funny thing is, you can now order the set from imsto himself: http://imsto.cn/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=108

Has been there for quite sometime and not in all the layouts proposed for this GB. I think they are remnants from round 1.

Yeah and they aren't in stock 98% of the time, might just pick a set up  :-X
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: SuperSumo on Wed, 30 March 2016, 22:23:53
Funny thing is, you can now order the set from imsto himself: http://imsto.cn/index.php?route=product/product&path=62&product_id=108

Has been there for quite sometime and not in all the layouts proposed for this GB. I think they are remnants from round 1.

Wow, nice! I went ahead and ordered the black on black and black blanks like I originally wanted in this group buy. If I ever get the keys from Ivan, I'll just sell them. Too bad the keys now cost me twice as much. Oh well.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Fri, 01 April 2016, 16:32:41
I should have just waited for them to come in stock. Ill keep checking by here incase there are updates but its MassDrop for me from now on.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Fri, 01 April 2016, 19:51:55
You had one bad experience and you're never joining another again? How many good group buys have u had and how many bad ones?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Tue, 12 April 2016, 11:52:09
You had one bad experience and you're never joining another again? How many good group buys have u had and how many bad ones?
This is my first GeekHack GB. I have done about 10 buys with MassDrop with no hitches.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: six_chains on Sun, 17 April 2016, 11:40:49
guys... I'm really sad about this  :(

it's a bad look for the community as well..
how many people will never do a group buy ever again because of incidents like this.



still keeping my fingers crossed though that Ivan comes through... i really want my AUREBESH
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: rwarwarwa on Wed, 20 April 2016, 08:11:19
guys... I'm really sad about this  :(

it's a bad look for the community as well..
how many people will never do a group buy ever again because of incidents like this.



still keeping my fingers crossed though that Ivan comes through... i really want my AUREBESH

really sad..
at least, I will never participate GB
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ATXTider on Thu, 21 April 2016, 20:46:28
https://www.originativeco.com/products/classic-black
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Polymer on Fri, 22 April 2016, 04:12:14
guys... I'm really sad about this  :(

it's a bad look for the community as well..
how many people will never do a group buy ever again because of incidents like this.



still keeping my fingers crossed though that Ivan comes through... i really want my AUREBESH

The thing is, it happens ALL the time with this community.  Everytime I say that people come and say it isn't that often but it is...And what makes it worse is a good portion of the time it is from very very senior members of the board...

It really does feel like you have very senior members who are looking to get out of the hobby a bit and as one last hurrah they rip off the community for a bunch of money....Because of the nature of GBs all of the time limit protections go out the window.

Paypal or someone needs to have some sort of escrow/settlement group that holds the funds which means the GB Runner needs to front the money (and if you can't too bad).  It means the GB Runner is entitled for some margin (cost of money etc) and the holding company is entitled to some but at least we wouldn't have this issue.  Once the Runner says "I'm shipping" there is a clock to deliver the goods and proof of delivery will release the funds.  I was going to say maybe someone could perform this function but given how many members you might've trusted in the past have ripped off the community that idea would suck. 

There really needs to be someone that goes after these people in some way...legal or otherwise...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 27 on Fri, 22 April 2016, 07:48:15
guys... I'm really sad about this  :(

it's a bad look for the community as well..
how many people will never do a group buy ever again because of incidents like this.



still keeping my fingers crossed though that Ivan comes through... i really want my AUREBESH

The thing is, it happens ALL the time with this community.  Everytime I say that people come and say it isn't that often but it is...And what makes it worse is a good portion of the time it is from very very senior members of the board...

It really does feel like you have very senior members who are looking to get out of the hobby a bit and as one last hurrah they rip off the community for a bunch of money....Because of the nature of GBs all of the time limit protections go out the window.

Paypal or someone needs to have some sort of escrow/settlement group that holds the funds which means the GB Runner needs to front the money (and if you can't too bad).  It means the GB Runner is entitled for some margin (cost of money etc) and the holding company is entitled to some but at least we wouldn't have this issue.  Once the Runner says "I'm shipping" there is a clock to deliver the goods and proof of delivery will release the funds.  I was going to say maybe someone could perform this function but given how many members you might've trusted in the past have ripped off the community that idea would suck. 

There really needs to be someone that goes after these people in some way...legal or otherwise...

Are you suggesting that I, an unemployed student, should front the money to make my custom board a reality? $350 x 25-50 is no small amount.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Chungas on Fri, 22 April 2016, 08:36:38
No order link?

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Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: MAR82 on Fri, 22 April 2016, 08:39:53
No order link?

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

Order link for what?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 27 on Fri, 22 April 2016, 08:40:08
No order link?

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

This gb is long over man. The runner ran off with everyone's monies.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Chungas on Fri, 22 April 2016, 08:48:32
No order link?

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

This gb is long over man. The runner ran off with everyone's monies.

Oh crap just realised - man that sucks. Hope some resolution comes of it some day.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Rodgaroon on Fri, 22 April 2016, 09:23:26
No order link?

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

This gb is long over man. The runner ran off with everyone's monies.

Oh crap just realised - man that sucks. Hope some resolution comes of it some day.

The moderators are trying to get it all worked out; but, what Ivan did, is just plain horrible.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Fri, 22 April 2016, 19:30:45
No order link?

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

This gb is long over man. The runner ran off with everyone's monies.

Oh crap just realised - man that sucks. Hope some resolution comes of it some day.

The moderators are trying to get it all worked out; but, what Ivan did, is just plain horrible.

For the record, the Mod team and site Admin are not working on this.  We were not involved with this in any way.  Ivan was a moderator, however he is responsible for his own actions.  Hoffmanmyster did attempt to reach out to him asking for information, but i do not believe he has heard anything back from him.  I am sure if he did, he would have posted in Ivan's threads informing everyone. 

I do hope Ivan sorts this all out though.  It may be a pipe dream at this point, but hope is about all we can have right now.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Polymer on Fri, 22 April 2016, 20:17:13
Are you suggesting that I, an unemployed student, should front the money to make my custom board a reality? $350 x 25-50 is no small amount.

Are you suggesting that the community should give you $17500 to make your custom board a reality without any guarantee they'll receive it?

Sounds pretty ridiculous right?

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 27 on Fri, 22 April 2016, 20:54:23
Are you suggesting that I, an unemployed student, should front the money to make my custom board a reality? $350 x 25-50 is no small amount.

Are you suggesting that the community should give you $17500 to make your custom board a reality without any guarantee they'll receive it?

Sounds pretty ridiculous right?

Alright so every single groupbuy is ridiculous with that logic.

It's all trust based, and I feel like I have been around long enough and established myself as a friend to many to deserve that trust.  You may not trust that anyone will deliver, and that's up to you, but keep in mind that there have been many many more successful buys than failures.

Plus there are some locals who would quite literally beat me if I tried to scam anyone. ;)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: rwarwarwa on Sat, 23 April 2016, 03:58:07
srry my mistake
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: LunarisDream on Sat, 23 April 2016, 07:59:43
Are you suggesting that I, an unemployed student, should front the money to make my custom board a reality? $350 x 25-50 is no small amount.

Are you suggesting that the community should give you $17500 to make your custom board a reality without any guarantee they'll receive it?

Sounds pretty ridiculous right?

Alright so every single groupbuy is ridiculous with that logic.

It's all trust based, and I feel like I have been around long enough and established myself as a friend to many to deserve that trust.  You may not trust that anyone will deliver, and that's up to you, but keep in mind that there have been many many more successful buys than failures.

Plus there are some locals who would quite literally beat me if I tried to scam anyone. ;)

Yep. I'm a college student and people are trusting me with fifteen grand, and I'm in China. You know how much 15 grand gets you in China? I can stop worrying about rent for the next 8 years if I took it and ran. But people are trusting me with the money, and I my parents did not raise me to betray the trust of others and steal.

Something goes wrong, I do my best to make it right. But if I was supposed to front the money for a GB, well, then that GB ain't happening. Not everyone has $15k to toss around and buy cool stuff for other people and hope to get it back later. The custom board is not just what the organizer wants, which is what Polymer seems to be implying, but what every single buyer wants. It's a dream of a small part of the community, one dream of many, and GB organizers do their best to fulfill those dreams. In the end, most people genuinely care about the community that they've invested so much in. I can't make any excuses for Ivan, nor do I intend to, but most people here are genuinely good.

tl;dr GB organizers are like fairy godmothers, except very few are evil. And fairy godmothers are generally poor.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Polymer on Sun, 24 April 2016, 11:01:45
Are you suggesting that I, an unemployed student, should front the money to make my custom board a reality? $350 x 25-50 is no small amount.

Are you suggesting that the community should give you $17500 to make your custom board a reality without any guarantee they'll receive it?

Sounds pretty ridiculous right?

Alright so every single groupbuy is ridiculous with that logic.

It's all trust based, and I feel like I have been around long enough and established myself as a friend to many to deserve that trust.  You may not trust that anyone will deliver, and that's up to you, but keep in mind that there have been many many more successful buys than failures.

Plus there are some locals who would quite literally beat me if I tried to scam anyone. ;)

Again, what is more ridiculous?

That someone buys the goods up front and sells them at a profit...
Or you get everyone else to go in on something you really wanted but no way to guarantee they get them?

I'm not saying the idea of a GB is ridiculous..it is great for enthusiasts communities...

But THIS community in particular has had more issues than any other I've seen...far more.  And what makes it worse is a good portion of the time the people ripping the community off are long term senior members....It doesn't matter if there are more successful GBs than ones where people are getting ripped off...those should be a very rare occurrence but it isn't..there are just far too many of these...and yes that sucks because I do think most people are honest and would run an honest GB...but there are only a few people I'd buy from on here and, as much as I hate to say it, at some point one of them will probably rip the community off as well...this GB is a perfect example...
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Signature on Sun, 24 April 2016, 11:04:22
Are you suggesting that I, an unemployed student, should front the money to make my custom board a reality? $350 x 25-50 is no small amount.

Are you suggesting that the community should give you $17500 to make your custom board a reality without any guarantee they'll receive it?

Sounds pretty ridiculous right?

Alright so every single groupbuy is ridiculous with that logic.

It's all trust based, and I feel like I have been around long enough and established myself as a friend to many to deserve that trust.  You may not trust that anyone will deliver, and that's up to you, but keep in mind that there have been many many more successful buys than failures.

Plus there are some locals who would quite literally beat me if I tried to scam anyone. ;)
he is subscribed to the dog newsletter so I can vouch
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 24 April 2016, 12:03:48
Are you suggesting that I, an unemployed student, should front the money to make my custom board a reality? $350 x 25-50 is no small amount.

Are you suggesting that the community should give you $17500 to make your custom board a reality without any guarantee they'll receive it?

Sounds pretty ridiculous right?

Alright so every single groupbuy is ridiculous with that logic.

It's all trust based, and I feel like I have been around long enough and established myself as a friend to many to deserve that trust.  You may not trust that anyone will deliver, and that's up to you, but keep in mind that there have been many many more successful buys than failures.

Plus there are some locals who would quite literally beat me if I tried to scam anyone. ;)

If your GB is successful at $350, I'll eat my sock.  First of all, that price point is a pipe dream.  Second, the design is untested.  Third, just trying to assemble and ship the parts for 25-50 keyboards is a huge undertaking on its own, including the logistics of buying and storing all that equipment.  Finally, you've been a member since March 31, 2015.  That isn't all that long, dude.

I did a mini-GB of 7 Epsilons.  It was a huge pain in the ass and I barely pulled it off.  Good luck with yours, brah.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Signature on Sun, 24 April 2016, 13:10:38
Are you suggesting that I, an unemployed student, should front the money to make my custom board a reality? $350 x 25-50 is no small amount.

Are you suggesting that the community should give you $17500 to make your custom board a reality without any guarantee they'll receive it?

Sounds pretty ridiculous right?

Alright so every single groupbuy is ridiculous with that logic.

It's all trust based, and I feel like I have been around long enough and established myself as a friend to many to deserve that trust.  You may not trust that anyone will deliver, and that's up to you, but keep in mind that there have been many many more successful buys than failures.

Plus there are some locals who would quite literally beat me if I tried to scam anyone. ;)

If your GB is successful at $350, I'll eat my sock.  First of all, that price point is a pipe dream.  Second, the design is untested.  Third, just trying to assemble and ship the parts for 25-50 keyboards is a huge undertaking on its own, including the logistics of buying and storing all that equipment.  Finally, you've been a member since March 31, 2015.  That isn't all that long, dude.

I did a mini-GB of 7 Epsilons.  It was a huge pain in the ass and I barely pulled it off.  Good luck with yours, brah.
look at my boy bill, he did an amazing job with his GB and it was lots more than 50 sets
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ceflame on Sun, 24 April 2016, 17:49:56
Imagine if there were some type of business entity we could organize group buys through.. so buyers wouldn't have to funnel all their money into one person who may or may not deliver and/or provide periodic updates  ;) ;)

*cough* massdrop *cough*
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 27 on Sun, 24 April 2016, 17:55:31
Imagine if there were some type of business entity we could organize group buys through.. so buyers wouldn't have to funnel all their money into one person who may or may not deliver and/or provide periodic updates  ;) ;)

*cough* massdrop *cough*

Massdrop can also raise costs and doesn't seem to be the best option for high cost, low quantity items.  Just look at the comment section of any GMK sets and you'll see what sort of crowd it attracts.  Nothing against massdrop, it just doesn't seem like the best option for a lot of the groupbuys run here.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ceflame on Sun, 24 April 2016, 18:18:37
Imagine if there were some type of business entity we could organize group buys through.. so buyers wouldn't have to funnel all their money into one person who may or may not deliver and/or provide periodic updates  ;) ;)

*cough* massdrop *cough*

Massdrop can also raise costs and doesn't seem to be the best option for high cost, low quantity items.  Just look at the comment section of any GMK sets and you'll see what sort of crowd it attracts.  Nothing against massdrop, it just doesn't seem like the best option for a lot of the groupbuys run here.

Posting a Massdrop link to reddit or GH will give it the regular exposure, and more from Massdrop users. Why does it matter what kind of random comments a group buy gets in this hobby anyways? The reason some GMK buys have failed is because nobody likes the sets. If you put something like GMK Hyperfuse on Massdrop, at $165/set, it'd probably still reach MOQ.

For low quantity items, I agree that using the GH format is better, but when you start taking in HUGE orders, like Ivan did, I think Massdrop has a much better infrastructure for organizing and shipping items/parts when they arrive.

I will honestly pay 10-25% more for the guarantee that product the product I paid for will be shipped, and in a timely manner. Nothing against ctrlalt, but I'm sure the last half of people waiting for Hyperfuse would readily agree to a price increase to get their caps months earlier. They work hard, but that's what happens when you have the limited organizing and shipping power of a single person.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Sun, 24 April 2016, 19:37:00
Please take this discussion to its own thread, ideally it's IC that is ongoing.  None of this pertains to the topic at hand, and quite frankly is just clutter.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: onesassysoccermom on Tue, 26 April 2016, 14:20:16
Cool, looks like I've (we've) been scammed. Waited a year and change checking this thread regularly only to finally come to a conclusion which I had hoped was not the case. Principally, I'm annoyed, but I'm even more disappointed.

See you guys around.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Wed, 11 May 2016, 11:43:30
Should have sent a PayPal dispute while we could.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: HighNoon on Wed, 11 May 2016, 11:51:07
I remember hearing something about the GH mods looking into this and Ivan's other failed group buys. Anyone know what the current status of that investigation is?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 11 May 2016, 12:23:57
I remember hearing something about the GH mods looking into this and Ivan's other failed group buys. Anyone know what the current status of that investigation is?



No order link?

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

This gb is long over man. The runner ran off with everyone's monies.

Oh crap just realised - man that sucks. Hope some resolution comes of it some day.

The moderators are trying to get it all worked out; but, what Ivan did, is just plain horrible.

For the record, the Mod team and site Admin are not working on this.  We were not involved with this in any way.  Ivan was a moderator, however he is responsible for his own actions.  Hoffmanmyster did attempt to reach out to him asking for information, but i do not believe he has heard anything back from him.  I am sure if he did, he would have posted in Ivan's threads informing everyone. 

I do hope Ivan sorts this all out though.  It may be a pipe dream at this point, but hope is about all we can have right now.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: grav3serker on Thu, 12 May 2016, 23:19:19
I emailed Ivan at the end of January to make sure that he got the change of address since I purchased the set off of another user sometime last year, and he quickly replied with "Sure, it's all fine."

I sent him another email just now to the same email address and I got a failed return from Google.

This confirms he is gone.

Next!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 13 May 2016, 03:12:18
I emailed Ivan at the end of January to make sure that he got the change of address since I purchased the set off of another user sometime last year, and he quickly replied with "Sure, it's all fine."

I sent him another email just now to the same email address and I got a failed return from Google.

This confirms he is gone.

Next!


The MODS here on Geekhack Central has already shut down Ivan's Miami Group Buy section, without notifying us poor losers who had handed over all our money to this thieving git.

Get use to losing your money as well on this Group Buy as well.

Welcome to thieving central, called Geekhack.  Hope you enjoy the results here  :p .
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: lasttycoon on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:34:34
Really sucks. Good lesson to learn though.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: AKmalamute on Wed, 18 May 2016, 13:27:50
Welcome to thieving central, called Geekhack.  Hope you enjoy the results here  :p .
Hey, now. As much as I regret bumping this thread, I'd like to point out that statistically, most GBs are successful, even timely by GB standards.

It's just that the failures all tend to be big, flaming zeppelins taking down everything in their path.  :'(

This is my first failure, in fact. I feel pretty okay for the sheer volume of keyboardicity surrounding me (CalmDepths set, NukaCola novelties, other things) and I guess I feel pretty okay about being sucked in by somebody with a couple years and half a dozen successes under his belt.

 Honestly I'm expecting it wasn't his first decision, either. The hospital probably came after him for sixty grand, and he decided his debt management was more important than his honor & pride. But I also doubt we'll ever hear what really happened; Ivan has clearly made the break from this community.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Grrizz on Fri, 20 May 2016, 02:31:52
Yea this was pretty disappointing, I had a reasonable stake in it but you learn from these experiences and my two take ways going forward would be;

1) Don't let your buyer protection expire.
2) with the exception of a buy that could justify more than 6 months of production and in that case confirm with the supplier directly that orders have been placed and paid for before the buyer protection expires.

Great things can come from group buys that would normally sit behind MOQ and/or price walls but you need to cover your ass when dealing with strangers (regardless of their community standing).
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: rwarwarwa on Sun, 05 June 2016, 10:55:50
what's the status of criminal procedure?

No one ever not going to sue him?

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 06 June 2016, 01:53:39
what's the status of criminal procedure?

No one ever not going to sue him?

Not worth the legal fees unfortunately
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: rwarwarwa on Mon, 06 June 2016, 02:31:17
what's the status of criminal procedure?

No one ever not going to sue him?

Not worth the legal fees unfortunately

Good.
He is obviously happy. Without penalties with money.

Great Justice of America
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Baddy126 on Mon, 06 June 2016, 13:02:13
what's the status of criminal procedure?

No one ever not going to sue him?

Not worth the legal fees unfortunately

Good.
He is obviously happy. Without penalties with money.

Great Justice of America

No one is stopping you from suing him
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 06 June 2016, 22:39:17
what's the status of criminal procedure?

No one ever not going to sue him?

Not worth the legal fees unfortunately

Good.
He is obviously happy. Without penalties with money.

Great Justice of America

No one is stopping you from suing him

Exactly

Stop expecting other people to do things for you
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: rwarwarwa on Tue, 07 June 2016, 06:53:03
In Korea, I will do.

Actually we had arrested con man.

I don't want financial compensation.

Just I think he must paid his dues.

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Tue, 14 June 2016, 22:11:18
It does really suck that he got away without **** happening to him but karma is going to bite him in the ass
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: dbfj on Fri, 24 June 2016, 20:16:58
Would the folks who claim to have met the guy confirm the name on the invoice? A yes or no would suffice.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Hellcatz on Fri, 24 June 2016, 21:27:51
May I ask why you need this information?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: dbfj on Sat, 25 June 2016, 23:56:49
May I ask why you need this information?

Validation that the information is accurate. To save time and confirm jurisdiction.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 26 June 2016, 01:13:03
Would the folks who claim to have met the guy confirm the name on the invoice? A yes or no would suffice.
I've sent him stuff and that was the real name.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: nickheller on Sun, 26 June 2016, 01:24:10
Am sad all over again every time this thread is bumped.  :(
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: potatowire on Sun, 26 June 2016, 14:45:33
Am sad all over again every time this thread is bumped.  :(

Me too.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: dbfj on Mon, 27 June 2016, 14:07:51
Would the folks who claim to have met the guy confirm the name on the invoice? A yes or no would suffice.
I've sent him stuff and that was the real name.
Thanks.

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: kebby on Sat, 09 July 2016, 10:57:03
So I'm pitifully unfamiliar with the US legal system. Is there no way to file a criminal complaint or is it of no use? Can I use the Internet Cyber Crime complaint center mentioned here for filing a complaint while not a US citizen? I'd be willing to take part in another GB for a lawsuit at this point just to make this sort of thing less appealing.

I don't know why the other thread got closed but if this isn't the place to discuss this, there definitely should be one. (and this is the only remaining  everyone who has lost in this knows about for sure / could be following).
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: keyladding on Tue, 27 September 2016, 12:48:44
Sounds like you'd have to find him first.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: SuperSumo on Thu, 14 December 2017, 12:47:40
I'm still pissed about this. Screw you Ivan, wherever you are!
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: 27 on Thu, 14 December 2017, 12:51:02
Now that's a necro
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Fri, 15 December 2017, 07:07:09
I’ll allow it.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 15 December 2017, 07:32:14
lmao
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: MaNiFeX on Fri, 15 December 2017, 11:49:17
What a way to bounce, though... sorta like Bilbo's 111th birthday party, but with theft.
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: nickheller on Fri, 15 December 2017, 11:56:46
Are these shipping yet?
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Michael on Fri, 15 December 2017, 12:10:17
Are these shipping yet?

(https://i.imgur.com/BW3KLWl.jpg)

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Atredl on Sat, 16 December 2017, 05:02:54
"PBT Dark second wave"
(http://e.lvme.me/kdzw08x.jpg)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: pr0ximity on Sat, 16 December 2017, 15:25:05
Probably would have been tight AF just like the first wave, so really he saved everyone money in destroyed stems when you think about it

(http://i.imgur.com/4RZEL9m.gif)
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Thu, 08 March 2018, 10:01:51
Are these shipping yet?

yes
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Thu, 08 March 2018, 14:01:18
 :eek:
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: animaliaparadoxa on Thu, 08 March 2018, 14:14:58
Thanks Ivan. I'd rather know than not that this pos is creeping around. Still I'm pissed like it's the first time.

Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 08 March 2018, 14:19:33
Ivan HAS NOT logged into his account recently.  That was the mod team (me) logging in to see if there was anything of value to be found there, what with the recent ebay activity and happenings outside the forum. 
Title: Re: PBT Dark second wave (production)
Post by: Waateva on Thu, 08 March 2018, 14:49:37
Ivan HAS NOT logged into his account recently.  That was the mod team (me) logging in to see if there was anything of value to be found there, what with the recent ebay activity and happenings outside the forum.

Or, has Ivan hacked into Hoff's account to sent this message and throw everyone off his tracks?!

(http://i.imgur.com/KvT1bNx.gif)