[GB] Makeaboard -60S - Design no screw hole- [CLOSE]-[ CNC PHASE]

[yonghf]

Joined the R96 GB back in September - it was 'shipping this week' back in April and with a 'setback' it was at '99.99% completion' last month.

So did you receive the board eventually?

[sroop]

Joined the R96 GB back in September - it was 'shipping this week' back in April and with a 'setback' it was at '99.99% completion' last month.

So did you receive the board eventually?

Nope, still waiting for maylily to reply my status request.

[sroop]

Welp, it looks like the website is down - hopefully everybody that is in this GB can get a refund.

[donut_sauce]

Yikes. Hope everyone gets there money back on this

[Sshimosawa]

Got Paypal to recover a TKL order i had that i never received. Suggesting you do the same. Got stringed along for months when i did get a response but mostly none.... now the site is down. Its frustrating in all the wrong ways. Lets call a spade a spade.

[Puddsy]

Yikes. Uh oh.

[mudcakehoney]

Will PayPal cover anything over 6 months old though?

[xondat]

Will PayPal cover anything over 6 months old though?

Nope. Dispute needs to be started before the 181st day.

Sounds like the limit is a few days away?

[yonghf]

I asked for a re-invoice given the 6 month period is coming up. Got re-invoice, paid immediately, asked seller to refund original invoice but there was no response until I made a fuss in VNMK. He responded saying that he has a negative PayPal balance and can't refund me. I'm supposed to wait until 2nd week of July when he gets paid. Told him I'll wait but honestly I don't think I'll ever see a refund.

[donut_sauce]

I asked for a re-invoice given the 6 month period is coming up. Got re-invoice, paid immediately, asked seller to refund original invoice but there was no response until I made a fuss in VNMK. He responded saying that he has a negative PayPal balance and can't refund me. I'm supposed to wait until 2nd week of July when he gets paid. Told him I'll wait but honestly I don't think I'll ever see a refund.

So if I’m understanding right you’ve paid twice now? Confused why he would re-invoice if he didn’t have the cash to refund the original.

[sroop]

I asked for a re-invoice given the 6 month period is coming up. Got re-invoice, paid immediately, asked seller to refund original invoice but there was no response until I made a fuss in VNMK. He responded saying that he has a negative PayPal balance and can't refund me. I'm supposed to wait until 2nd week of July when he gets paid. Told him I'll wait but honestly I don't think I'll ever see a refund.

So if I’m understanding right you’ve paid twice now? Confused why he would re-invoice if he didn’t have the cash to refund the original.

Pretty sure they pulled an exit scam.

[Sshimosawa]

1) open a claim for the initial payment with PayPal now, as xondat suggest.

2) retract the second payment.

I know there's shiny new items we want. Sometimes badly enough to abandon reason. Even convince ourselves that holding out for a response may change things. This seller doesn't list an email address on their site nor a way to contact them. I had to hunt them down via Facebook. At least in my case, they provided some fractured talk and zero action. (my purchase wasn't a group buy, they simply "forgot" to send it). Finally they never responded to a claim I filed on PayPal and the funds looped back to me a few months later. More irritating than anything.

I don't mean to toot the same old horn but - - - in any other business a good seller stands by their word, answers questions, and provides reasons for delays. I'm gonna call a spade what it is. They're not good. And to be clear *** this isn't a language or cultural barrier. There are great sellers in Vietnam, and all over Asia who are honest and on-their-sh*t and answer questions. After seeing these posts these people have neither shown nor proven through action, that they are above-board. OP I welcome you to challenge me openly on this.

What drives me triple nuts is this is a niche community. And the amount of time and energy someone has to spend to understand what people in the mechanical kb community want and respond to - - just to scam them - -  means they were part of the community too. And that truly bums me out. For many of us, we just want the shiny thing in the photo, not necessarily Paypal to resolve anything. They should scam other organizations (or please, none at all). Just not this one. This is overflown with cool people who like cool things. And there's no room for people who just refuse to communicate or deliver.

[Aktavate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/8bdqxh/r96_gb_status/

I noticed today their website is down as well. Not a positive sign.

[yonghf]

It's strange that they were allowed to run a GB in the first place given the R96 was still ongoing. This seller has been banned by VNMK so they should be blacklisted from GH as well.

[Puddsy]

It's strange that they were allowed to run a GB in the first place given the R96 was still ongoing. This seller has been banned by VNMK so they should be blacklisted from GH as well.

You're allowed to run 2 GBs at once on GH. Even I didn't know they were banned from VNMK, I didn't see anyone mention it before now.

[maylily]

Who told me I was baned from vnmk?

[maylily]

- The number of 60S order in GH only 6 people. And I ordered 10 pcs.
- As the number less than expected a lot, so I was not able to get the earliest schedule for the plant.
Of course, the CNC process does not take much time, but the anodizing is different. After receiving the goods from me, the factory has estimated about 3 weeks is our turn. But even then, this factory which is the vendor of Samsung, there were errors, and rework to compensation 1 shipment Galaxy S9. For that reason the 60S was moved to the end of April, and after arriving at the factory in early May to take over.

- Of the 4/10 sets 60S. there was an error. This error is because they use a baby sized acid tank for the phone, which has been dented for some errors. And do not understand why they also do not want to take responsibility. (I think the number is too small, it's hard to get a deal here)

- And finally they took responsibility and had to redo even the CNC for me.
- You can blame me irresponsibly, but I also have my own job.

- The reason I can not refund, is because the paypal account is negative. Yes, I deserve it. but I do not cheat anyone. R96 finished, only missing amega32u4 due to my order missing.

- My website has to change because I have to change host for website, also because paypal account is negative. Will be back online in the next few days.

From now on, every day I will online  email / geehack / telegram / facebook page from 9pm UTC + 7  to 11PM . Hope not to miss any information from you.

[Aktavate]

Seems like it would be much easier to pass relevant information to buyers when you get it instead of keeping us waiting so long that everyone starts thinking its a scam again and you finally let us know what is going on. I understand you are busy, we all are, but you have a certain responsibility when you take people's money.

[mudcakehoney]

- The number of 60S order in GH only 6 people. And I ordered 10 pcs.
- As the number less than expected a lot, so I was not able to get the earliest schedule for the plant.
Of course, the CNC process does not take much time, but the anodizing is different. After receiving the goods from me, the factory has estimated about 3 weeks is our turn. But even then, this factory which is the vendor of Samsung, there were errors, and rework to compensation 1 shipment Galaxy S9. For that reason the 60S was moved to the end of April, and after arriving at the factory in early May to take over.

- Of the 4/10 sets 60S. there was an error. This error is because they use a baby sized acid tank for the phone, which has been dented for some errors. And do not understand why they also do not want to take responsibility. (I think the number is too small, it's hard to get a deal here)

- And finally they took responsibility and had to redo even the CNC for me.
- You can blame me irresponsibly, but I also have my own job.

- The reason I can not refund, is because the paypal account is negative. Yes, I deserve it. but I do not cheat anyone. R96 finished, only missing amega32u4 due to my order missing.

- My website has to change because I have to change host for website, also because paypal account is negative. Will be back online in the next few days.

From now on, every day I will online  email / geehack / telegram / facebook page from 9pm UTC + 7  to 11PM . Hope not to miss any information from you.

What about the Rosa Artisan GB from last October which there has been no communication about? After 3 messages through here, the website and FB I have not received a response. Please advise when the keycap or the refund will be delivered.

[maylily]

Seems like it would be much easier to pass relevant information to buyers when you get it instead of keeping us waiting so long that everyone starts thinking its a scam again and you finally let us know what is going on. I understand you are busy, we all are, but you have a certain responsibility when you take people's money.

I messed it up, and yes. Now I will be here, every day to answer any of your questions.

Thank you for your kindness.

[/quote]

What about the Rosa Artisan GB from last October which there has been no communication about? After 3 messages through here, the website and FB I have not received a response. Please advise when the keycap or the refund will be delivered.
[/quote]

The truth is that since the artist left us, we have to start over from zero. There were times when it seemed possible, but we were wrong. We've done it again and again and again. And now we're testing new molds. I can not promise for sure, but if the mold is usable, it takes about 3 weeks for production and shipping. Only 3-4 weeks.

[johuu]

Status update?

[johuu]

.... and yes. Now I will be here, every day to answer any of your questions....

Status update?

I see

[donut_sauce]

.... and yes. Now I will be here, every day to answer any of your questions....

Status update?

I see

lol

[sroop]

What's the status on the R96 GB? It has been two months since the PCB was the holdup at '99% completion' and we're nearing the 12 month point. If you actually have the boards done, I'll just buy a RS96 PCB elsewhere because a PCB isn't worth this wait.

[johuu]

GB starter annonuced in the telegram group pictures after the weekend to verify it is not a scam. She confirmed to bring up a timeline to full fill the gb schedule. lets see....

[SolidCactus]

What's the status on the R96 GB? It has been two months since the PCB was the holdup at '99% completion' and we're nearing the 12 month point. If you actually have the boards done, I'll just buy a RS96 PCB elsewhere because a PCB isn't worth this wait.

I'm still waiting on the R96 GB as well. The last we heard was an update on the 5/22/2018 and this was at 99% completion.

Please be warned any 60S GB as I'm still waiting for the board after 11 months with very few updates.

[sroop]

[Darknight00z]

updates?

[qq]

updates?

You're better PM them or find some direct contact. In VNMK (VN mechkey community), this vendor has a bad reputation for overclaiming what they are doing, irresponsible customer support, GBs taking forever to shipment, and Paypal refund issues (they said so). Just saying.

[Aktavate]

Well today marks the 1 year anniversary of the R96 GB starting and still no sign of a keyboard. Also 2.5 months since the last update here and 4 months since the last update on their website. Cant imagine what the next excuse is going to be, assuming they even bother at this point.

[sroop]

These atmegas sure are taking a long time to ship.

[sroop]

Their site is down again, this must mean it's shipping any moment now.

[nastrovje]

RIP

[Vadurr]

I hope yall just randomly start receiving packages x__x

[sroop]

I have more faith in a half life 3 release than this


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[Aktavate]

What recourse do we have at this point? I assume all our money is gone-gone, but if they are active in the local kb scene people need to know they are scammers and not to give them any more.

[nastrovje]

First everyone should contact paypal together, not alone.

[mankikami]

I can 50.000001% sure that they are not scammers  ) few local buyers have already had their orders shipped. Despite the unprofessional way they run this GB and their ****ty arrogant attitude toward buyers, the product is quiet ok indeed  )

[audax989]

Damn, totally forgot about this board.

[Darknight00z]

I can 50.000001% sure that they are not scammers  ) few local buyers have already had their orders shipped. Despite the unprofessional way they run this GB and their ****ty arrogant attitude toward buyers, the product is quiet ok indeed  )

Where did you find those photos?

[romeo]

I can 50.000001% sure that they are not scammers  ) few local buyers have already had their orders shipped. Despite the unprofessional way they run this GB and their ****ty arrogant attitude toward buyers, the product is quiet ok indeed  )

Where did you find those photos?

from VNMK facebook group , one guy receive the 60 indeed.

[Captainbuttmonkey]

Wow, gotta say that is one hell of a surprise

[sroop]

Yeah some people got their r96 from them back in winter this year. Still doesn't mean that this isn't a selective scam.


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[Darknight00z]

Deliver to the locals (coz they know where they live), shaft the internationals

[Aktavate]

Yeah some people got their r96 from them back in winter this year. Still doesn't mean that this isn't a selective scam.


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Deliver to the locals (coz they know where they live), shaft the internationals

Exactly, they posted a photo on their blog of a couple 'complete' R96 that they were shipping out very quickly but no word on if anyone actually got them and I've never seen a picture posted anywhere.

https://makeaboard.net/2018/01/03/update-r96-2/

I can 50.000001% sure that they are not scammers  ) few local buyers have already had their orders shipped. Despite the unprofessional way they run this GB and their ****ty arrogant attitude toward buyers, the product is quiet ok indeed  )

If its such a legit company I would encourage you to have them update us all on the status here or anywhere really. Its been more than a year since they took our money for the R96 and they have refused to reply to emails for at LEAST the last 6 months. The last 'update' here was 4 months ago when they scolded us for not believing them...there is no part of this that points to it being legit.

[Captainbuttmonkey]

Ahhh yeh, very true. To be fair 50.0001% doesn't exactly imply he was certain they aren't scammers haha. I'm not in this buy fortunately, just been observing every now and then when it pops up. I hope you guys all get your stuff but unfortunately I think it's exceedingly unlikely =[. Best of luck anyway!

[Aktavate]

Ahhh yeh, very true. To be fair 50.0001% doesn't exactly imply he was certain they aren't scammers haha. I'm not in this buy fortunately, just been observing every now and then when it pops up. I hope you guys all get your stuff but unfortunately I think it's exceedingly unlikely =[. Best of luck anyway!

Haha I misread that as 50k% 

[Aktavate]

Anyone speak Vietnamese? There are a LOT of posts on the VNMK facebook group about R96 and 60S including one regarding this thread, but google translate leaves a lot to be desired.  From what I can tell it seems pretty clear that the intentionally scammed people with the international group buys in order to finance boards for locals, though I get the impression even many locals may have lost money as well.

[qq]

Anyone speak Vietnamese? There are a LOT of posts on the VNMK facebook group about R96 and 60S including one regarding this thread, but google translate leaves a lot to be desired.  From what I can tell it seems pretty clear that the intentionally scammed people with the international group buys in order to finance boards for locals, though I get the impression even many locals may have lost money as well.

All MAB members have left or been banned from the VNMK FB group so MAB team basically couldn't see or participate in any discussion about them in VNMK, though they may know via friends. Previously, VNMK tried their best to aid in communication with MAB when international buyers came and asked for help but MAB didn't seem to cooperate.
About the posts you said, people generally felt sorry and tended to give up the case since the vendor showed no sign of responsibility. I think it's safe to say at this point this GB is a scam.

[Marutks]

oh dear
I am lucky I didnt join this GB