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Offline ricercar

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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 06 December 2010, 13:39:20 »
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Lesson learned : bigger packages have a higher chance of disappearing when shipped internationally.


My package to Slovenia arrived open, with the bubble wrap completely missing. buyer accused me of not including any. Fortunately his keyboard was intact.
Makes me think twice about european postal workers, now trying to emulate american postal workers.
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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 06 December 2010, 13:46:39 »
I agree.  Ask webwit how he's enjoying the Northgate Evolution I sold him.


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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 06 December 2010, 22:06:21 »
Seriously? Some delinquent postal worker stole a numpad with a goofy switch layout? Hopefully they just lost it somewhere.:frown:
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« Reply #53 on: Mon, 06 December 2010, 22:53:37 »
Still waiting :(

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« Reply #54 on: Fri, 10 December 2010, 01:59:27 »
It seems the sinklist item is lost... *sulk*

I already filled in a investigation form, but this could take a very long time before anything is found out.

Darn, wish this would not have happened. Can't trust shippers these days.....

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« Reply #55 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 14:12:10 »
I'm sorry to hear that. Thanks for taking the chance to help us, SirClickAlot. :smile:
« Last Edit: Sat, 11 December 2010, 14:14:15 by Mr. Perfect »
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« Reply #56 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 14:25:01 »
Awesome, someone finally made one... I had a similar idea a while back.
You should add some non-cherry switches, even if the corresponding keys do not work.

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« Reply #57 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 14:45:06 »
Yay! Good news, the package arrived just now! :cheer2: Will take pictures and write a follow up.

Big thanks to SCAL again. :)

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« Reply #58 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 15:10:47 »
Pictures first. :) From my phone camera, so not terribly sharp but good enough I hope.



« Last Edit: Sat, 11 December 2010, 19:04:10 by BlueRain »

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« Reply #59 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 17:01:20 »
Hmm, a few initial thoughts:

  • Apparently, I really like the feel of the Red.
  • With rapid typing, I don't notice the Brown tactile point at all, so feels like a slightly heavier Red to me.
  • The Clear is a lot heavier than I expected. According to Wiki, it has lower actuation force than Black, but with the nickels test, the Clear seems to match the White switch, but no click?
  • The Blue seems less clicky/crispy compared to my Blackwidow. Is that normal switch wear & tear?
« Last Edit: Sat, 11 December 2010, 17:11:58 by BlueRain »

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« Reply #60 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 17:34:40 »
I believe it depends on how the switches are mounted on the pcb, plate mounted ones definitely feel different compare to pcb mounted ones.
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« Reply #61 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 18:03:52 »
pictures are not showing up for me

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« Reply #62 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 18:51:00 »
No idea... :( anyone else having picture issues?
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« Reply #63 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 18:56:05 »
Haha, yeah, I can't see the pictures either. Great to hear that the package has successfully started it's journey though!

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« Reply #64 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 19:04:34 »
Try again? If not, I have the images attached.

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« Reply #65 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 19:37:44 »
Yup, great! Pictures work now

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« Reply #66 on: Sat, 11 December 2010, 21:16:42 »
They work now... but I'm not on the Google laptop anymore either.  I'd suspect the laptop, but 1) it's flawless and 2) I see you edited it after I posted, so I'm assuming you just fixed it.

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« Reply #67 on: Sun, 12 December 2010, 12:28:18 »
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Yay! Good news, the package arrived just now! :cheer2: Will take pictures and write a follow up.

Big thanks to SCAL again. :)

Great news indeed! Excellent : I had already given up all hope for it to arrive at its destination.

Enjoy the STN. I will give you the address of the next in line tomorrow.

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SCAL :-)
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« Reply #68 on: Sun, 12 December 2010, 12:44:40 »
The blues also seemed less clicky/crispy to me , I suspect this is due to the age of the switch.....


Regards


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Hmm, a few initial thoughts:

  • Apparently, I really like the feel of the Red.
  • With rapid typing, I don't notice the Brown tactile point at all, so feels like a slightly heavier Red to me.
  • The Clear is a lot heavier than I expected. According to Wiki, it has lower actuation force than Black, but with the nickels test, the Clear seems to match the White switch, but no click?
  • The Blue seems less clicky/crispy compared to my Blackwidow. Is that normal switch wear & tear?
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« Reply #69 on: Sun, 12 December 2010, 13:33:39 »
Since you have all this right there, could you tell me if a Brown spring on a Black stem really does feel like a Red?

I might just get the guts to rip apart 3 keyboards to make a single pseudo-Red right now.

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« Reply #70 on: Sun, 12 December 2010, 17:41:04 »
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Since you have all this right there, could you tell me if a Brown spring on a Black stem really does feel like a Red?

I might just get the guts to rip apart 3 keyboards to make a single pseudo-Red right now.


Like I said, the brown is pretty close to red for me already in term of feel. I'm not sure how easy it is to take out the switch with the risk of breaking it...

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« Reply #71 on: Mon, 13 December 2010, 01:55:30 »
I'll try this 'mod' myself. Will post experiences on a separate thread. Here it is.....

Regards.


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Like I said, the brown is pretty close to red for me already in term of feel. I'm not sure how easy it is to take out the switch with the risk of breaking it...
« Last Edit: Mon, 13 December 2010, 07:58:56 by SirClickAlot »
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« Reply #72 on: Mon, 13 December 2010, 05:34:54 »
Alright, using the STK ( switch try keyboard ) I swapped a cherry black spring for a brown cherry one. The feel resembles the cherry red a lot. It is slightly heavier to press but not much.
This could be a nice keyboard mod -> the emulated red!

Here is a link with pictures
and here is a link to another GH thread about this cherry red emulation....

Regards
« Last Edit: Mon, 13 December 2010, 07:59:49 by SirClickAlot »
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« Reply #73 on: Wed, 15 December 2010, 01:57:13 »
No one wants to comment on the heavier clears? I thought they are lighter than black?

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« Reply #74 on: Wed, 22 December 2010, 16:18:57 »
Just got it.

The switches more or less felt in line with what I expected...however, I'm now a bit disappointed that the Clears are that much harder to acquire. I think they're what the Browns should have been to begin with, for I can actually FEEL the tactile point now, and electrical response corresponds well with said tactility. Out of what's on the STN, they might just end up being my favorite switch. (And they do feel just a tad lighter than the Blacks.)

The Blues are pretty good too, but the release is a little high. Still preferable to the Browns.

As for the linear Blacks/Reds...still don't like them. Linear switches just don't feel right unless they're analog (which these aren't), even if everyone raves about them for gaming purposes. For me, it just isn't a real switch if it doesn't click (and I mean that in more of the tactile feel sense than the audible sense).

In the end, I think I'll still be content with the still-in-transit DSI Modular Mac with Blue switches. (Friday can't come fast enough...unless FedEx unexpectedly delays it on me.)

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« Reply #75 on: Mon, 27 December 2010, 19:06:27 »
Hello!

I am new to mechanical keyboards and to this forum. I am really interested in picking one up, but I have no idea where to try one. I looked to purchase a keypad as a sample, but they seem to go for just under £50, which is half the price of a normal mechanical keyboard!

Does anyone know where I would be able to pick up a keypad cheaply? I'm from the UK, too. I am quite tempted just to buy any mechanical keyboard and sell it on if I don't like it. I think I'd be out less money that way.

This sample keypad idea is great. I'm surprised it's not been produced by one of the keyboard manufacturers before.

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« Reply #76 on: Tue, 28 December 2010, 04:50:00 »
Welcome!

Check ebay for "mechanical keyboard" , you'll find many good buys there... :-)

Regards.

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Hello!

I am new to mechanical keyboards and to this forum. I am really interested in picking one up, but I have no idea where to try one. I looked to purchase a keypad as a sample, but they seem to go for just under £50, which is half the price of a normal mechanical keyboard!

Does anyone know where I would be able to pick up a keypad cheaply? I'm from the UK, too. I am quite tempted just to buy any mechanical keyboard and sell it on if I don't like it. I think I'd be out less money that way.

This sample keypad idea is great. I'm surprised it's not been produced by one of the keyboard manufacturers before.
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« Reply #77 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 13:16:24 »
:bump2:
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« Reply #78 on: Mon, 10 January 2011, 15:08:00 »
Just out of curiosity, what kind of keypad is this, anyway?

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« Reply #79 on: Sun, 16 January 2011, 05:09:38 »
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of keypad is this, anyway?

Uhm, I got this one from Sixty for this particular project. I did not care to look at the make and model of it. Maybe the current owner ( Phaedrus... ) can elaborate on this?

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« Reply #80 on: Sun, 16 January 2011, 08:01:10 »
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:bump2:

The item on this sinklist should have arrived at Phaedrus2129 according to the USPS tracking number.

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« Reply #81 on: Sun, 16 January 2011, 09:30:49 »
It's a G80-3700 keypad.

I've already owned blues and browns, so I was mainly trying out blacks, reds, and clears.

Blacks are... interesting. I think I'd want to try a whole keyboard with them before making up my mind. I don't think they'd be terrible for typing; but they are on the heavy side in comparison to browns.

Reds feel just like browns that have been used for a couple of years, nothing special there.

Clears remind me of jerky Alps switches, I don't really like them. I was expecting them to feel like heavy browns, but they really feel like gimped blues for some reason. The tactile bump is almost a point, but not quite, and it's a relatively high force switch. I'm not a fan.


Anyway, great idea SirClickAlot. :)
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« Reply #82 on: Thu, 27 January 2011, 06:18:38 »
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:bump2:

Hey Mr. Perfect -> I sent you a PM but no response? The current owner of the STN wants to send it on!
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« Reply #83 on: Thu, 27 January 2011, 11:46:06 »
Sorry about that, PM replied! I seem to have been browsing the forums while logged out. :redface:
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« Reply #84 on: Tue, 08 February 2011, 12:42:30 »
Sorry for the delay everyone, the STN has been shipped out to Mr. Perfect and should arrive within 1-3 days.
 
I will go ahead and give my impressions on the STN and the key switches themselves. Mind you, I only played with it for 2 to 3 minutes as I was short on time. Also, I will be evaluating the keys from the perspective of a gamer and a quality rubber dome user.
 
First off, my only gripe with the STN itself, was that the brown keys were connected to the top row with the alt/f keys. With browns being perhaps the most popular type of switch, it would have been nice to be able to have placed them in a number row. The only key in the brown row I was really able to play with was the delete key on the right so it is hard to give a good description of how they keys worked in conjuction with one another.
 
Brown switches: Very light switches, with a very slight actuation point. I can see how these switches are the most popular, they seem to be a good switch all around. I wish that the spring gave slightly more resistance, ideally somewhere between a brown spring and a clear spring.
 
Clear switches: Much more resistance than the brown switches, perhaps too much. It is difficult to say whether fatigue would become an issue with an actual keyboard and long playing sessions. However, I noticed that the actuation point was much more noticeable. That being said, I think the extra resistance may create some slight delay.
 
Blue switches: Much louder than all the other keys. It only took me 3 strikes of the key to notice that these switches were not good for gaming. Double tapping while trying to hover over the actuation point resulted in multiple missed inputs. The clicking mechanism seems to get you stuck either under, or over the actuation point. I didn't take note, but keystrokes literally did not register during the majority of my double taps. I am really in awe as to how the Razer Black Widow is being sold as a gaming keyboard. I am not sure I would even like to type on this keyboard, my instinct tells I would miss lots of inputs.
 
Red switches: Now this was a very interesting switch for me. It is incredibly light like the browns, but linear. What really stuck out to me was how fast I was able to hit the actuation point, and how fast I was able to alternate registered keystrokes and double tab. The red switch is by far the fastest switch, faster than the blacks due to less resistance in the spring, as well as all the other switches. Although a little too light for my taste, I think with time to get accustomed, this could be a really great gaming keyboard due to its lightning fast response.
 
Blacks: Like the reds, getting to the actuation point and repeating inputs was much faster than the other switches, albeit slower than the reds. The switches felt a little heavy, and having the reds side by side with the blacks really shows how much difference a spring really makes.
 
Overall, I think whichever switch you get, you will need time to adapt and get accustomed to. These are very different, especially if you are coming from a rubber dome. If I had to pick a switch, I would have to chose either red or brown. Brown switches being more available, I would most likely pick up one of these. The reds definately have my interest, but being rare and costly, I would hate to spend the money only to find that I perfer my rubber dome. That being said I really did see an advantage to the red keys over the domes in terms of quick inputs.
 
Anyhow, thanks for reading, and good luck to everyone still waiting to try the STN. It really is a great device, and thank you Mr. Interface for giving us newbies an opportunity to test and play with mechanical switches, I really appreciate it.
« Last Edit: Tue, 08 February 2011, 13:09:00 by whiteweazel21 »
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« Reply #85 on: Tue, 08 February 2011, 12:51:51 »
Quote from: whiteweazel21;291829
Sorry for the delay everyone, the STN has been shipped out to Mr. Perfect and should arrive within 1-3 days.
 


Excellent writeup again(!). Thanx for sharing this.

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« Reply #86 on: Thu, 10 February 2011, 20:51:23 »
And it's here! You have to admire the efficiency of the United States Postal Service.:smile: I'll hook it up with the USB adapter and use it with a couple of games this weekend.:hat:

[Edit] Hey, was there supposed to be that little laminated card with the switch diagram on it?
« Last Edit: Thu, 10 February 2011, 22:00:41 by Mr. Perfect »
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« Reply #87 on: Thu, 10 February 2011, 23:48:14 »
It seems that my PC doesn't actually like having two PS2 keyboards hooked up at the same time, so the USB converter is coming in handy. I can use the main keyboard initially to log into Windows, but as soon as I hit something on the STN both PS2 devices stop registering. Even with the USB, it is doing strange things though. Is this a German layout or something? If I run it through Aqua's KeyTest, here's what I get:

  • F1 does not register (not affected by numlock)
  • F2 comes up as Left Control (not affected by numlock)
  • F3 comes up as Left Alt (not affected by numlock)
  • F4 is backspace (not affected by numlock)
  • Numlock does not register in Aqua's KeyTest, thought the little light comes on and does change what keys do.
  • Divide shows up as Numpad /, which is divide (not affected by numlock)
  • X shows up as Numpad *, which is multiply (not affected by numlock)
  • - is numpad - (not affected by numlock)
  • + is numpad + (not affected by numlock)
  • Enter is Numpad Enter(not affected by numlock)
  • 7 shows up as the Home key(with numlock off) or qwerty 7 (with numlock on)
  • 8 does not register (not affected by numlock)
  • 9 is PageUp(with numlock off) or qwerty 9 (with numlock on)
  • 4 is left arrow(not Numpad left arrow, regular left arrow) (with numlock off) or qwerty 4 (with numlock on)
  • 5 does not register (with numlock off) or is qwerty 5 (with numlock on)
  • 6 does not register (not affected by numlock)
  • 1 does not register (not affected by numlock)
  • 2 is down arrow(not Numpad down arrow, regular down arrow) (with numlock off) or is qwerty 2 (with numlock on)
  • 3 is PageDown (with numlock off) or is qwerty 3 (with numlock on)
Weeeiiird. :crazy:

On a completely unrelated note, in depth nitpicking such as this has absolutely no correlation with why I was given the nickname of Mr. Perfect. :redface:
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« Reply #88 on: Fri, 11 February 2011, 01:41:08 »
Quote from: Mr. Perfect;293168
And it's here! You have to admire the efficiency of the United States Postal Service.:smile: I'll hook it up with the USB adapter and use it with a couple of games this weekend.:hat:

[Edit] Hey, was there supposed to be that little laminated card with the switch diagram on it?


Yes,

It is also time for some repairs on the STN -> two keys are reported to not work anymore and the laminated card is lost.
For your convenience , here is the switch diagram :

F1, F2, F3, F4 : cherry brown
7,8,9 : cherry red
4,5,6 : cherry black
1,2,3 : cherry clear
All other keys : cherry blue

Have fun with it! Will send you the next on the list soon.
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« Reply #89 on: Fri, 11 February 2011, 03:39:49 »
The F1 key and NumLock key did not register for me either, but I was too focused on the actual key feel, and just forgot...

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« Reply #90 on: Mon, 14 February 2011, 20:26:25 »
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NumLock key did not register for me either, but I was too focused on the actual key feel, and just forgot...

The NumLock does work, at least it does now. It just doesn't show up in a test with Alpha's Key Test, so I supposed that the numpad uses it internally and never reports it as a key press to the OS.

Anyhow...

You're supposed to write up your thoughts on the numpad when sending it off to the next person, so here goes from the top row to the bottom:

  • Cherry MX Brown

From simply reading the posts on Geekhack for the past two moths or so, I really expected this one to be "It", so to speak. Everyone says how easy and smooth it is, and how with the tactile bump it's quite nice for typing. Maybe it is, but I don't care for it. It's a touch to lite. Resting my fingers on the key caps can start them moving downward, and the tactile point isn't as noticeable as I'm used to. If moving quickly, like when gaming, the tactile point is almost unnoticeable.


  • Cherry MX Blue

Again, going from posts about the forum, I was really expecting this switch to annoy me with it's noise. Another conclusion that didn't pan out! The noise is not something I'd miss if it wasn't there, but it compliments the tactile point and makes it that much more noticeable. It's not noise simply for noise's sake, it actually means something. The slightly heavier spring, compared to the browns, is also enough to keep the caps from depressing under fingers at rest. On the whole no-double-tap issue, I can sometimes make the blues stop clicking by hovering right on the activation point and making short presses that don't get the little clicky bit moving. The key usually still registers, but it's not something I'm comfortable with.


  • Cherry MX Red

There's so much hype around these things that I expected much more then they are. Surely they are the smoothest of the keys, but you really miss the tactile point. Where does the key activate? Who knows! I started looking up keyboards when the tactile point started disappearing from my rubber dome board, so these are definitely not what the doctor ordered. There's also some key movement, like the browns, when resting on the caps.


  • Cherry MX Black

I was expecting these to be ridiculously heavy, in keeping with their reputation. They're are a bit much. Not the heavy handed finger killers I was expecting, at least not for those of us who aren't attuned to Browns. :wink: The heavy springs do at least resist falling away under a resting hand. Again though, I'm missing the tactile point.


  • Cherry MX Clear

Now that's a tactile point! It's very easy to hover right on the activation point and make short hops across it. The spring also gets quite stiff once you've passed the activation point, to the point where you almost feel like you've bottomed out. As a result, I never actually do bottom out. What I end up with is quick, definitive key presses without actually smacking the plastic straight down. Now if only Deck made a tenkeyless Legend board...
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Soo... Thanks to SirClicksAlot for simultaneously sparing me from buying a mess of keyboards before finding what I want, and at the same time pointing me towards the most expensive Cherry MX boards around. :biggrin1: I'll mail the STN out on the way to work tomorrow morning.
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« Reply #91 on: Tue, 15 February 2011, 05:38:57 »
Nice review. Probably cherry clears are going to be my favourite as well.
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« Reply #92 on: Thu, 17 February 2011, 08:06:44 »
Nice reviews guys.  Seems like most really like clears.  Too bad that they aren't more universally available.

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« Reply #93 on: Thu, 17 February 2011, 14:25:55 »
Just received the numpad and like many have stated, some of the switches are not responding. I'll provide a print out with the key layout and switches that are not responding so the future participants are in the know.
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« Reply #94 on: Thu, 17 February 2011, 17:57:13 »
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Nice review. Probably cherry clears are going to be my favourite as well.


Man, that's what I'm afraid of. I like my Filco with blues, but if I decide I want clears after my turn with the STN, it's either find an old one on Ebay or settle for Deck's high price and stupid font. Not to mention putting up with the extra space a 104-key board takes up.
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« Reply #95 on: Fri, 18 February 2011, 03:42:31 »
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I'll provide a print out with the key layout and switches that are not responding so the future participants are in the know.

Alright, thank you very much! :-)

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« Reply #96 on: Fri, 18 February 2011, 08:36:43 »
What an awesome project to put together!  I was unsure which switches I was going to like and decided on blues.  Having something like this out there could save members a good deal of money.  If this comes anywhere near CO I'd love to take a look at it.

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« Reply #97 on: Sun, 20 February 2011, 02:48:32 »
Perfect, I'm guessing you don't game that much. My double tap is like lightning lol, out of 20 double taps I'd say the blues only registered both keys 9 times, slightly under 50% of the time. I don't think this is something you'd experience as much with typing, because you rarely double tap a key. I can still see a potential typing problem when trying to hover over a key, say typing a word with two of the same letters which does not require you to move your hand. In this case, in order to type the word as fast as possible, you would try to actuate the key once, hover over the actuation point, and actuate again, possibly causing a problem with the second letter registering. Sure, you can avoid this by releasing the switch completely or conclusively above the actuation point, but that creates delay, as well as uncertainty (which is ironic because the whole point of tactility is to know when you are above, below and at the actuation point, and use this feedback to your advantage), and an uneccesary change of key pressing style. Maybe if you don't game, or don't take gaming seriously, if you can't notice the problem...well then I don't think it would really matter which keyboard you use to game with.
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« Reply #98 on: Sun, 20 February 2011, 04:46:38 »
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If this comes anywhere near CO I'd love to take a look at it.


CO? Where is that?

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« Reply #99 on: Sun, 20 February 2011, 09:33:07 »
CO = Colorado, USA I believe.