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« Reply #300 on: Tue, 04 May 2010, 08:48:12 »
my friend has gotten back into christianity and been confirmed, supposedly she's gonna try and convince me to get confirmed for easter sunday next year.
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« Reply #301 on: Tue, 04 May 2010, 09:56:57 »
Like a freakin' cult...

Get one in, have them recruit more. Tell them all other ways lead to hell and if they believe it, they'll never leave.

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« Reply #302 on: Tue, 04 May 2010, 10:23:43 »
I never said the original wasn't a wonderful song.

Simply that I happen to like that 80s synthpop-type stuff as well, and knew it'd be better for trolling you than the original.

Remember, this is the 20 year old who likes the Eagles, Boston and so forth.
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« Reply #303 on: Tue, 04 May 2010, 10:51:46 »
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my friend has gotten back into christianity and been confirmed, supposedly she's gonna try and convince me to get confirmed for easter sunday next year.


are you going to do it?

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« Reply #304 on: Tue, 04 May 2010, 11:01:42 »
As an Emacs fænboi I must say: Emacs.

I live by the following sentences:

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"Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build
 your own, and let it grow, be like Emacs. Empty
 your mind, be formless, shapeless - like Emacs.
 If you put Emacs in a cup it becomes the cup, if
 you put into a bottle it becomes the bottle. You
 put Emacs into a teapot it becomes the teapot.
 Now, Emacs can flow or it can crash. Be Emacs, my friend"
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« Reply #305 on: Tue, 04 May 2010, 11:42:00 »
Was this guy part of the Troll Poll?  I am putting in my vote now.


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« Reply #306 on: Tue, 04 May 2010, 11:43:54 »
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As an Emacs fænboi I must say: Emacs.

I live by the following sentences:


heh you blow with the wind huh...

like i said i believe our reality isnt chance, but i dont believe in religon.
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« Reply #307 on: Tue, 04 May 2010, 16:18:13 »
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heh you blow with the wind huh...

like i said i believe our reality isnt chance, but i dont believe in religon.


If you strip everything down to the barest, it's all about metaphysics. Representation and interpretation.
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« Reply #308 on: Tue, 04 May 2010, 17:38:29 »
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If you strip everything down to the barest, it's all about metaphysics. Representation and interpretation.

Technically, everything has a defined "truth" to it, intepretation is the cause for our own stupidity (some people just like to argue).
For example, if I say IBM buckling springs last a long time and are moderately decent to type on, that is true. However, some people could say they don't last long at all and are HORRIBLE -- that would be interpretation.

And I wouldn't get too crazy with philosophy trying to understand things, if you strip everything down, you just get the basic particles of matter that cannot be created or destroyed: which is infinity.
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« Reply #309 on: Tue, 04 May 2010, 18:26:02 »
so which is it? If you strip everything down, do you wind up with interpretation or subatomic particles?! Oh god, somebody help me!

I'm looking into the abyss and nothing is staring back at me! what will keep me from falling in?!

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« Reply #310 on: Tue, 04 May 2010, 19:05:31 »
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I'm looking into the abyss and nothing is staring back at me! what will keep me from falling in?!


Congratulations. You are most likely already there.
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« Reply #311 on: Wed, 05 May 2010, 17:29:34 »
So what the difference between quantum physics and religion?

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« Reply #313 on: Thu, 06 May 2010, 03:59:22 »
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So what the difference between quantum physics and religion?

(bites tongue)


The difference is that one day they will be able to prove that quantum physics is a load of old bollocks.

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« Reply #314 on: Thu, 06 May 2010, 09:41:35 »
thats the thing with some scientific ideas, they are theory and we wont know in our lifetime if true or not.
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« Reply #315 on: Thu, 06 May 2010, 12:45:37 »
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I'm not sure how, for example, the replacement of quantum physics by an ever more complex theory would effect your happiness in life. In that case, it's best to hang on to a god, snub evolution and chant songs.


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« Reply #316 on: Sun, 09 May 2010, 15:09:37 »
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"Tablets? I was hoping for an iPad!"

And that's the REAL story about how the forbidden Apple brought sin into the world.
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« Reply #317 on: Sun, 09 May 2010, 17:49:37 »
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« Reply #318 on: Sat, 15 May 2010, 17:49:04 »
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Therefore God will have more respect for atheists than for religious people.



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« Reply #319 on: Wed, 19 May 2010, 15:21:56 »
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« Reply #320 on: Wed, 19 May 2010, 18:54:07 »
for rabble rousers, tomorrow is "draw mohammad day" on facebook. Tho it should be called freedom of speech day, more accurately.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=112062032162838

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« Reply #321 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 09:09:34 »
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for rabble rousers, tomorrow is "draw mohammad day" on facebook. Tho it should be called freedom of speech day, more accurately.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=112062032162838


i really, really like the constitutional concept of free speech. I dont think human civilization is possible without its gaurantees.

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« Reply #322 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 09:10:59 »
Apparently Pakistan banned Facebook over that... I didn't know that the Taliban had won the civil war already...

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« Reply #323 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 09:24:27 »
from i have learn rreligion can help people in times of need but in a modern soicety it f**k things up
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« Reply #324 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 09:29:45 »
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Apparently Pakistan banned Facebook over that... I didn't know that the Taliban had won the civil war already...


get this, they banned (by court order no less) facebook, yahoo, flickr, wikipedia, and 450 individual sites, and supposedly will keep the ban in place until the "offending content is taken down". Good luck with that. Unlike china however they dont have the resources to build their own censored equivalents of those sites, so they've basically indefinitely shut down the internet for their citizens. They're not going to win this one.

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« Reply #325 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 09:33:19 »
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Intel banned Facebook because of all the protests over copper mining (or sumpthin).


really? did intel prevent me from accessing facebook and threaten me with beheading if i do?

somehow i dont see that.

[edit: here's what happened. Protestors accidentally shut down intel's facebook page by bombarding it with complaints about intel's policy on conflict materials. WEll, thats free speech all around. intel's right to a facebook page and the activists right to openly criticize intel.]  Long live the constitution.
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« Reply #326 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 12:31:34 »
Supreme Court Upholds Freedom Of Speech In Obscenity-Filled Ruling

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WASHINGTON—In a decisive and vulgar 7-2 ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court once again upheld the constitution's First Amendment this week, calling the freedom of expression among the most "inalienable and important rights that a mother****er can have."

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"I'm beginning to wonder if you really understand what 'abridging the freedom of speech' means at all," said Stevens, a 34-year veteran of the court known for his often-nuanced interpretations of the First Amendment. "I'm also wondering whether you and your fat-faced plaintiffs over there need to have some respect for constitutionally protected expression ****ed into your empty hick skulls."

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« Reply #327 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 12:34:03 »
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Supreme Court Upholds Freedom Of Speech In Obscenity-Filled Ruling





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Yeah, I saw that a little while ago, absolutely great!
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« Reply #328 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 07:48:05 »


Love that guy.

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« Reply #329 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 08:12:48 »
There is a great quote from the (now old) TV series Babylon 5, which sums up my position on religion quite well:

"If I take a lamp and shine toward the wall, a bright spot will appear on the wall.
The lamp is our search for truth, for understanding.
Too often we assume the light on the wall is God, but the light is not the goal of the search, it is the result of the search.
The more intense the search, the brighter the light on the wall. The brighter the light on the wall, the greater the revelation upon seeing it.
Similarly, someone who does not search, who does not bring a lantern with him, sees nothing.

What we perceive as God is the by-product of our search for God. It may simply be an appreciation of the light, pure and unblemished, not understanding that it comes from us. Sometimes, we stand in front of the light and assume we are the center of the universe -- God looks astonishingly like we do! -- or we turn to look at our shadow and assume all is darkness.
If we allow ourselves to get in the way, we defeat the purpose --  which is use the light of our search to illuminate the wall in all its beauty and all it flaws, and in so doing, better understand the world around us."
-- G'Kar

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« Reply #330 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 08:40:51 »

Watch this and report back if you still believe in the existence of a supreme being.

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« Reply #331 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 16:20:00 »
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Love that guy.


me too, i'm a sam harris fan

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« Reply #332 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 16:23:45 »
I believe in the Lord and there's nothing you all can do about it.
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« Reply #333 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 16:25:58 »
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I believe in the Lord and there's nothing you all can do about it.


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« Reply #334 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 17:16:55 »
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I believe in the Lord and there's nothing you all can do about it.
I respect your First Amendment rights not to have the government telling you what you are allowed to believe, or what you must believe.

I don't happen to believe in God myself.

But I believe there is such a thing as right and wrong, and even the whole human race can't vote to make something right that is wrong, any more than they can make 2+2=5 a true statement.

Right and wrong is something people can find out about, by using their consciences, by thinking rationally based on obvious principles like fairness and reciprocity, and so on; not something they can make up as they go along to suit their own interests.

And I know that I am more than just an empty, hollow machine: I myself see what is imaged on my retina and sent as nerve impulses to my brain, I myself hear what my ears detect. I exist. I care that I continue to live. I care whether I experience pleasure or pain.

And I believe that other people are also conscious, and therefore they matter just as much as I do.

These two truths are expressed and reinforced by the teachings of many religious faiths.

I think of religion, therefore, as basically a force for good. I don't even know for sure that it's obsolete, because for many it's easier to understand than philosophy, and it's far less wrong than the crude atheism that views human beings more as means to an end than ends in themselves.

Religions tell people not to do violence, not to steal, and so on. Unfortunately, sometimes that "so on" includes dubious stuff, such as practices that deny equality to women, or a tolerance for violence to people outside the faith community. When this happens, I have a problem with those religions.

But if anyone decides to hold an Inquisition in the name of atheism, I'd have a problem with them too.

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« Reply #335 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 17:18:48 »
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I believe in the Lord and there's nothing you all can do about it.


Really cool story bro.

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« Reply #336 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 17:19:06 »
People have the right to believe in which ever religion they wish, including no religion.  It's their business.
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« Reply #337 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 17:24:54 »
The next time I lose marks in a maths exam because I said that 2 + 2 = 5, I should stay by my ineptitude... These are my beliefs, man!

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« Reply #338 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 17:41:50 »
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The next time I lose marks in a maths exam because I said that 2 + 2 = 5, I should stay by my ineptitude... These are my beliefs, man!


It is God's will that you answered 5 in the exam, therefore you should not be upset if you fail it; God has a plan for all of us!

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« Reply #339 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 17:43:42 »
Yes. Also, if I shoot people, that is also God's will, and to punish me for following God's will would be heresy.

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« Reply #340 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 19:35:00 »
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I believe in the Lord and there's nothing you all can do about it.


we dont want to do anything about it at all.  Its a free country and we want to keep it that way. Problem is YOU want to impinge your personal feelings on all of US.  If you succeed, america will become UN-free.

You really, really hate america and freedom, dont you.

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« Reply #341 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 19:48:31 »
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Problem is YOU want to impinge your personal feelings on all of US.  If you succeed, america will become UN-free.

You really, really hate america and freedom, dont you.
How does he want to do that?

I wouldn't count outlawing abortion. Because then those Northerners who imposed their personal feeling that slavery was wrong also hated America and freedom - and that's not what the history books tell us. Using not being born yet as an excuse to kill people like kittens may be just as bad as using dark skin as an excuse to buy and sell people like horses.

Maybe there is more to the abortion issue than that, but if you start letting everyone define for themselves who is or isn't human, it isn't just dolphins and fetuses that will be unsafe; black people and Jews will be unsafe too.

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« Reply #342 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 19:56:18 »
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How does he want to do that?

I wouldn't count outlawing abortion. Because then those Northerners who imposed their personal feeling that slavery was wrong also hated America and freedom - and that's not what the history books tell us. Using not being born yet as an excuse to kill people like kittens may be just as bad as using dark skin as an excuse to buy and sell people like horses.

Maybe there is more to the abortion issue than that, but if you start letting everyone define for themselves who is or isn't human, it isn't just dolphins and fetuses that will be unsafe; black people and Jews will be unsafe too.


that relativism is exactly what the evangelicals want and everyone else wants to avoid.  The integrity of the mother and the integrity of the black or jewish person is defended by the constitution on the same grounds, that they are sentient autonomous human beings in control of their own bodies which are their personal property.  Its in the constitution because our founders were enlightenment humanists and this nation's laws therefore build on that legacy.  If our founders had been evangelicals, believe me, our laws and our history would be totally different.

It'd be more like pakistan. or saudi arabia. or medieval christendom.  and the sun will still be revolving around the flat earth.

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« Reply #343 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 20:14:00 »
I never saw anything about abortion in the Constitution.

If we outlawed abortion, we'd be nothing like the Middle East. I know people who've been there and served there. The US isn't run by madmen who censure Youtube because it a video shows a picture of Muhammed. We don't have IED's and roadside bombs killing people every day. Music's allowed here in the US. Women can show their faces.

Next time you go on vacation, I'd definitely recommend the Middle East as your destination.
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« Reply #344 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 20:17:51 »
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I never saw anything about abortion in the Constitution.

If we outlawed abortion, we'd be nothing like the Middle East. I know people who've been there and served there. The US isn't run by madmen who censure Youtube because it a video shows a picture of Muhammed.

It's run by madmen who censor a South Park episode because it shows a picture of Mohammad.

amidoinitrite?
By the way, I was born and raised in Dubai, U.A.E. You're probably some redneck who thinks he knows everything about the world and who thinks that everybody in the Middle East screams "Allah u akbar! ALALALAL!" and zerg rushes American troops with bombs strapped to them but you're wrong (as usual).

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« Reply #345 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 20:55:58 »
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there is a great quote from the (now old) tv series babylon 5, which sums up my position on religion quite well:

"if i take a lamp and shine toward the wall, a bright spot will appear on the wall.
The lamp is our search for truth, for understanding.
Too often we assume the light on the wall is god, but the light is not the goal of the search, it is the result of the search.
The more intense the search, the brighter the light on the wall. The brighter the light on the wall, the greater the revelation upon seeing it.
Similarly, someone who does not search, who does not bring a lantern with him, sees nothing.

What we perceive as god is the by-product of our search for god. It may simply be an appreciation of the light, pure and unblemished, not understanding that it comes from us. Sometimes, we stand in front of the light and assume we are the center of the universe -- god looks astonishingly like we do! -- or we turn to look at our shadow and assume all is darkness.
If we allow ourselves to get in the way, we defeat the purpose --  which is use the light of our search to illuminate the wall in all its beauty and all it flaws, and in so doing, better understand the world around us."
-- g'kar


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« Reply #346 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 21:08:01 »
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It's run by madmen who censor a South Park episode because it shows a picture of Mohammad.

lol exactly ;)

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« Reply #347 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 21:11:27 »
I miss Timw4mail, he was the sort of lovable clueless idiot, unlike MW who is just going through the motions...

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« Reply #348 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 21:14:36 »
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I never saw anything about abortion in the Constitution.

exactly my point too

but there's a lot in there about govt's role in ensuring life liberty and property for individuals, not for fetuses, sperms, and eggs. Its only in the evangelical imagination does an ovular growth in a woman's abdomen be considered a fully developed and autonomous 'soul'.  Thats the only (deeply evangelical) basis for the religious right to launch this ridiculous culture war.

Its one with their war on darwin and evolution; again the "sanctity" of the soul-concept is whats at stake there, so they throw humans and science under the bus to declare (their) god's complete authority over society and history.

its ironic because religious folk would be a lot more god-like if they dropped these magical concepts.
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« Reply #349 on: Sat, 10 July 2010, 21:16:35 »
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I miss Timw4mail, he was the sort of lovable clueless idiot, unlike MW who is just going through the motions...


lol, yea at the back of your mind you know MW is just in it for trolling. T4W was in it cuz he believed ;) That was a lot more fun ;)

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