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Does anyone have experience modding Lepai 2020A+
« on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 15:18:59 »
This was my "looking for amp thread"

I had spare lm4562 opamps laying around, and so I figure I'd buy the $20 lepai T-amp that everyone's modding this sh..t out of, "for fun"

So comparing the lepai to the onkyo receiver I also ordered, with the opamps replaced, it's hard to say which one is better, both are very transparent..

Since this Lepai is only $20, I think I might return this $127 receiver, LOL, which really doesn't sound better at this point.

Does anyone have experience modding the lepai output section? toroids + Caps, etc... ???

EDIT: AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGAAAAAA

The damn onkyo BROKE already.....  >:D >:D >:D >:D .... Fuuuuuuuu............

We live in a world where we can't even listen to music for less than $300 it seems.. AGGGaaaaaaaahhhhhh  >:D >:D >:D

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Re: Looking for QFR Equivalent (Audio Gurus HALP!!)
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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 17:42:11 »
What are you using the amp with and what is your source component?

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Re: Looking for QFR Equivalent (Audio Gurus HALP!!)
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 17:48:37 »
I just bought some ghetto pioneer bookshelves off slickdeals.

Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Andrew Jones Designed

My source is a modded X-fi xtreme music with lm4562 :D

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Re: Looking for QFR Equivalent (Audio Gurus HALP!!)
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 17:49:08 »
Audioengines N22.

I already bought ghetto speakers.. ^^ I just need some non-distorting power now...

Oh... you mean the n22 amp... hmmmm......  :))

Is this really the QFR of the audio world?

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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 18:12:22 »
I have an N22 and use it to drive some Gallo nucleus speakers off a XFI Titanium HD. So my set up is not exactly ghetto but it is not super audiophile either. I have been quite pleased with it. Now I just still need to decide on a sub and I will be all set for quite awhile I think.

If you don't mind some assembly there are some of these Japanese tube amp kits that I have heard a lot of good things about.
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« Reply #6 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 18:13:20 »
QFR of speaker amps would be a gainclone.
If you can mod your X-fi, you can definitely put together a gainclone.

  • Receiver from the late 70s/early 80s from goodwill, etc.
  • T-amp. However, This is probably not powerful enough for the bookshelf speakers you go.

There is also another amp thats often recommended at avsforum thats about $100.
Can't find it at the moment.

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« Reply #7 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 18:20:29 »
Get some vintage iron!  I own a Marantz 2245 and a Pioneer SX-580.  Sound and look wonderfull, and easy to repair on top of that.
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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 18:22:34 »
No personal experience, but I've thought about picking up a Bravo Audio amp.

Not a receiver though

http://bravoaudio.com/product.html

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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 18:42:34 »
I looked at that Audioengines thing and thought "$199?!" then remembered for the last ten years I've been using a Pioneer VSX-305 reciever I bought for $16 from a friend.

These days, you can get all sorts of pretty nice, if a few years old recievers at the Goodwill or the like; you might pay $50 to 70, but I can't imagine what that $200 box could offer that said reciever wouldn't.
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Re: Looking for QFR Equivalent (Audio Gurus HALP!!)
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 20:06:04 »
Looking into used receivers...

This doesn't seem like a possibility on ebay...  so many people trying to rip you off.. $80 for a pioneer SX???  maybe if it was in Perfect condition...  Most of them look pretty damn run down... and sold as is.. come on.....

I'd only buy these if I could listen in person. LOL

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Re: Looking for QFR Equivalent (Audio Gurus HALP!!)
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 20:06:41 »
QFR of speaker amps would be a gainclone.
If you can mod your X-fi, you can definitely put together a gainclone.

  • Receiver from the late 70s/early 80s from goodwill, etc.
  • T-amp. However, This is probably not powerful enough for the bookshelf speakers you go.

There is also another amp thats often recommended at avsforum thats about $100.
Can't find it at the moment.

Hey null string, thanks for the suggests.. Not sure I want to "build" my amp, time is too costly..

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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 20:40:49 »
I've heard BS22's paired with a Denon AVR-1712 in a small/medium sized room that sounded really good

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Re: Looking for QFR Equivalent (Audio Gurus HALP!!)
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 20:46:10 »
I've heard BS22's paired with a Denon AVR-1712 in a small/medium sized room that sounded really good

Really? i wouldn't expect that of a $500 receiver...

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« Reply #14 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 21:01:06 »
Ya that's about all the relative experience I've had with what you're asking. I'm a headphone guy anyway and I usually don't recommend anything unless I've heard it.

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« Reply #15 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 21:13:00 »
I've heard BS22's paired with a Denon AVR-1712 in a small/medium sized room that sounded really good

Really? i wouldn't expect that of a $500 receiver...

I smell sarcasm...

Get a used avr. I got one from craigslist for $80, has more power than I'll ever need and works nicely.

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« Reply #16 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 21:23:25 »
Looking into used receivers...

This doesn't seem like a possibility on ebay...  so many people trying to rip you off.. $80 for a pioneer SX???  maybe if it was in Perfect condition...  Most of them look pretty damn run down... and sold as is.. come on.....

I'd only buy these if I could listen in person. LOL

This is why you just buy from goodwill for $15 and just return it if it doesn't work out

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« Reply #17 on: Sun, 03 March 2013, 21:39:39 »

I smell sarcasm...

Ya that definitely registered on my sarcasm meter as well. I guess I lost my way on budget equipment...my headphone audio stuff has been getting out of hand

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Re: Looking for QFR Equivalent (Audio Gurus HALP!!)
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 04 March 2013, 00:28:40 »
QFR of speaker amps would be a gainclone.
If you can mod your X-fi, you can definitely put together a gainclone.

  • Receiver from the late 70s/early 80s from goodwill, etc.
  • T-amp. However, This is probably not powerful enough for the bookshelf speakers you go.

There is also another amp thats often recommended at avsforum thats about $100.
Can't find it at the moment.

I agree: build or buy a gainclone. There's lots of room to improve or "tweak" the sound (I recommend starting with the PSU design) They can be had for relatively cheap (The most expensive parts will probably be the transformer, followed by the case) and are pretty simple. (the gainclone has been around since at least 2006.)

Here's a DIY build I liked: http://www.diyaudioprojects.com/Chip/Synergy-LM3875-Gainclone/
Built from a Kit: http://www.diyaudioprojects.com/Chip/LM3886_CA/LM3886_CA.htm
Said kit: http://www.audiosector.com/lm3875.shtml

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« Reply #19 on: Mon, 04 March 2013, 03:36:15 »
Try to hunt down a Yamaha AX-10 on ebay...
Neutral, clean, compact, powerful, great bang for the buck imo!

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Re: Looking for QFR Equivalent (Audio Gurus HALP!!)
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 04 March 2013, 07:01:04 »
Ok guys.. ah...

I've looked at all your suggestions.. much appreciated..  :D now here's the breakdown I see..
I am estimating how long it would take for me to properly research and put together kits



$170 new modern Onkyo 8255 stereo receiver + $0 0hr labor

~$127 USED onkyo 8255 amazon


$52 41hz Amp6 + $40 4hrs labor     ~$92

$100 used/vintage receiver + 5~6hr $50 research/ebay time    ~$150

$20 lepai 2021  + $30 modding parts + $20 2hrs labor    ~$70

$98 Gainclone + $50 5hrs labor  ~$148



So it comes down to... WILL the DIY produce "much " better result than the basic Onkyo stereo receiver?

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« Reply #21 on: Mon, 04 March 2013, 07:27:31 »
Your speakers are still on the very cheap side of audio equipment. Will it matter to those? Thats another story all together.
(EDIT: above is reference a gainclone. I've heard T-amps completely dis-recommended when referring to your exact speakers. They may not have the power necessary)

If you had midrange speakers ($600/pair?) then I would say the gainclone is definitely a better idea.
This is also why i still recommend picking up a receiver from goodwill for $15. It will probably perform better than the low end receiver from onkyo.
Getting vintage receivers off ebay is not a good idea, as you can see. You're better off spending 3 hours going to various thrift shops.
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Re: Looking for QFR Equivalent (Audio Gurus HALP!!)
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 04 March 2013, 07:45:11 »
Your speakers are still on the very cheap side of audio equipment. Will it matter to those? Thats another story all together.
(EDIT: above is reference a gainclone. I've heard T-amps completely dis-recommended when referring to your exact speakers. They may not have the power necessary)

If you had midrange speakers ($600/pair?) then I would say the gainclone is definitely a better idea.
This is also why i still recommend picking up a receiver from goodwill for $15. It will probably perform better than the low end receiver from onkyo.
Getting vintage receivers off ebay is not a good idea, as you can see. You're better off spending 3 hours going to various thrift shops.

I know the speakers are cheap. that's exactly why I posted this.. LOL

I think I'm more inclined towards the used onkyo, the leg work involved with thrift shopping is "more" than 3 hours.. No way you can get it done in 3..

It's at least a 6-8 hour thing  which makes the receiver, even at $15 an almost $100 prospect with unknown odds of success.

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I think I'd rather gamble the money in this case rather than time..

Thanks for all the suggestions.  :D

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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 04 March 2013, 08:08:10 »
well.. you might be right.
What i do is stop by my local store once a week or so. Every month or so I see a receiver in there for $10-$25.
I always go on the way to or from something else, and I don't spend more than 10 minutes in there. (And if I do, it's because there was something interesting that I now need to google it up to see if it's any good, etc. etc.)
But then you're trading/gambling actual time rather than work time.

If you're looking at used receivers- A few years ago, I got a great deal on a refurbished HK AVR 254. $150 refurbished on ebay direct from the manufacture.
(Side note: One feature this specific amp had was that is has pre-amp outs.. which means I could build a gainclone at a later date and simply using the HK as a DTS/AC3 decoder, HDMI receiver and general pre-amp).

I am not current on the recent HK lineup, but maybe you should see if they are still selling receivers on ebay.
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Re: Does anyone have experience modding Lepai 2020A+
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 06 March 2013, 12:51:25 »
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGAAAAAA

The damn onkyo BROKE already.....  >:D >:D >:D >:D .... Fuuuuuuuu............


We live in a world where we can't even listen to music for less than $300 it seems.. AGGGaaaaaaaahhhhhh  >:D >:D >:D

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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 06 March 2013, 13:18:06 »
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Does anyone have experience modding the lepai output section? toroids + Caps, etc...
Usually toroids are transformers in the PSU. A linear regulated PSU can be made very clean, and toroidal transformers are better (and I believe more efficient) and more expensive than other types.

Upgrading the PSU can produce noticeable changes in the sound, especially since the amp usually references the voltage rail and ground when outputting. That said, it's a non-trivial mod, and you'll need a new case for it.

Output capacitors are one of the "things" in audio. They're great for what they do in a design, and designing something without them is much more difficult. On the other hand, people do say they impact the sound, and there are some "better" (more expensive) ones you can use that might make a difference. You start to verge on subjective (snake oil) territory here.

If you are replacing capacitors, only get audiophile grade ones for capacitors in the signal path. Other capacitors can be replaced with high reliability ones, or low ESR organic types (If the amp doesn't have them already). The way I do it is mainly just worry about electrolytics. ceramic/tantalum ones are usually good, though they can get microphonic in some cases.

As far as the "output stage" of the amp. the amp usually has a voltage gain stage followed by a current gain stage (or buffer). Upgrading the current gain stage can give you more power, etc. Usually current gain stages (buffers) are very very transparent (for a number of reasons), and can range from being simple (a single transistor) to very (very) complex.

Note that I haven't seen internal pictures of any T-amps, and most of my knowledge is for headphone amps (not speaker, guitar, or mic amps) so take what I've said with a grain of salt.

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Re: Does anyone have experience modding Lepai 2020A+
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 06 March 2013, 13:40:00 »
Here's what I'm working with..

As you can see.. Pretty much ALL the parts with the exception of the lm4562s I put in, are Trashy..

I've already ordered complete set of replacement caps.. all Nichicon FG and KZ.. and panisonic films for output

The one question for me that remains is the "inductors, those 4 green .100 things, and the coil on the left,

I want to replace those, but I am confused about the "frequency" rating on inductors..