Post by: Rensuya on Mon, 01 July 2019, 09:54:51
Hello friends! ;D
Summer's here and so is GMK...
(https://i.imgur.com/VVbJFaq.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/2MXQRw1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FitkZDg.jpg)
Click here to join Groupbuy
US: Cannonkeys (https://cannonkeys.com/products/gb-gmk-peaches-n-cream)
EU: Candykeys (https://candykeys.com/group-buys/gmk-pnc)
Oceania: DailyClack (https://dailyclack.com/collections/keycaps/products/gmk-peaches-n-cream)
Asia: iLumkb (https://ilumkb.com/products/gmk-peach-and-cream?variant=22602573545554)
Artisan Links
Peachkey | tinymakesthings (https://forms.gle/HqpsZg51kvhdoUzK9)
Momotaro Dragon Warrior | Monsterakeycaps (https://https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfDiwIDsMNJiwL4FHdxGKqdKtdajBfaNKt5SML6SSiSbxBzvQ/viewform)
About
My inspiration for this set comes from one of my favorite summertime desserts growing up, you guessed it, Peaches n cream.
Born and raised in the south this was a mainstay dessert for my family, especially in the summer. We used to fix it all kinds of different ways.
You could have it with ice cream, floats, cobblers, oatmeal, or just some slices with cream poured over top!
Base + Novelties! | Spacebars | 40s/Ortho
(https://i.imgur.com/NIbuDpm.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/HguRgEY.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/4IBgty6.png)
Rama x Peaches n Cream
It can be the leaf on top of your peach!
(https://i.imgur.com/qy4qBBF.png)
Artisan Collabs
(https://i.imgur.com/MRzHmQc.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/yAR6R3l.png)
Deskmats
(https://i.imgur.com/xAkd2J9.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/UzSBrcZ.jpg)
Here are the rest of the Goods my fuzzy little man peaches
U80-A | Rama
(https://i.imgur.com/RjdJeVj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gvgXQx4.jpg)
Think65 | Oldcat
(https://i.imgur.com/ifKKwB9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jtRIYgN.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/BhuEMXO.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/947nG5S.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/DAjge1w.png)
Satisfaction 75 | Upas
(https://i.imgur.com/5E4xknh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/O4esrj3.jpg)
45-ATS | Abec13
(https://i.imgur.com/3oY2F2r.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MQWREaE.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ys7Yckg.png)
Volcano660 | iLouis_07
(https://i.imgur.com/MGXDBQ5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fRyfJVB.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/qP3yoPK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uRYujeQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ki2AEp6.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/6kuO6fm.png)
7V | Gok101
(https://i.imgur.com/VcmUhn1.png)
Kotai Planck
(https://i.imgur.com/gsw9qyL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xpGHXnL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hafs4Wl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ePUSWyD.jpg)
Note: White used for alphas is CP and other colors are custom RALs
Special thanks
Renders: Abec13, Janglad
Design feedback: Hisui, Upas, Sushiimi, abec13
Novelties, deskmat, box art all designed by: Hisui
Everyone is welcome to join my discord!: https://discord.gg/DuERjBV
Thanks for your time!
Summer's here and so is GMK...
(https://i.imgur.com/VVbJFaq.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/2MXQRw1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FitkZDg.jpg)
Click here to join Groupbuy
US: Cannonkeys (https://cannonkeys.com/products/gb-gmk-peaches-n-cream)
EU: Candykeys (https://candykeys.com/group-buys/gmk-pnc)
Oceania: DailyClack (https://dailyclack.com/collections/keycaps/products/gmk-peaches-n-cream)
Asia: iLumkb (https://ilumkb.com/products/gmk-peach-and-cream?variant=22602573545554)
Artisan Links
Peachkey | tinymakesthings (https://forms.gle/HqpsZg51kvhdoUzK9)
Momotaro Dragon Warrior | Monsterakeycaps (https://https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfDiwIDsMNJiwL4FHdxGKqdKtdajBfaNKt5SML6SSiSbxBzvQ/viewform)
About
My inspiration for this set comes from one of my favorite summertime desserts growing up, you guessed it, Peaches n cream.
Born and raised in the south this was a mainstay dessert for my family, especially in the summer. We used to fix it all kinds of different ways.
You could have it with ice cream, floats, cobblers, oatmeal, or just some slices with cream poured over top!
Base + Novelties! | Spacebars | 40s/Ortho
(https://i.imgur.com/NIbuDpm.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/HguRgEY.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/4IBgty6.png)
Rama x Peaches n Cream
It can be the leaf on top of your peach!
(https://i.imgur.com/qy4qBBF.png)
Artisan Collabs
(https://i.imgur.com/MRzHmQc.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/yAR6R3l.png)
Deskmats
(https://i.imgur.com/xAkd2J9.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/UzSBrcZ.jpg)
Here are the rest of the Goods my fuzzy little man peaches
U80-A | Rama
(https://i.imgur.com/RjdJeVj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gvgXQx4.jpg)
Think65 | Oldcat
(https://i.imgur.com/ifKKwB9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jtRIYgN.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/BhuEMXO.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/947nG5S.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/DAjge1w.png)
Satisfaction 75 | Upas
(https://i.imgur.com/5E4xknh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/O4esrj3.jpg)
45-ATS | Abec13
(https://i.imgur.com/3oY2F2r.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MQWREaE.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ys7Yckg.png)
Volcano660 | iLouis_07
(https://i.imgur.com/MGXDBQ5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fRyfJVB.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/qP3yoPK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uRYujeQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ki2AEp6.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/6kuO6fm.png)
7V | Gok101
(https://i.imgur.com/VcmUhn1.png)
Kotai Planck
(https://i.imgur.com/gsw9qyL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xpGHXnL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hafs4Wl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ePUSWyD.jpg)
Note: White used for alphas is CP and other colors are custom RALs
Special thanks
Renders: Abec13, Janglad
Design feedback: Hisui, Upas, Sushiimi, abec13
Novelties, deskmat, box art all designed by: Hisui
Everyone is welcome to join my discord!: https://discord.gg/DuERjBV
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[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100482.0][img]https://i.imgur.com/OeVzQGi.png[/img][/url]Thanks for your time!
Post by: GRWLKG on Mon, 01 July 2019, 10:35:07
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 01 July 2019, 12:27:43
Post by: tunadesu on Mon, 01 July 2019, 12:33:45
Post by: kitty on Mon, 01 July 2019, 20:39:48
Post by: Rensuya on Mon, 01 July 2019, 20:48:55
wig
snatched? XD
Post by: Emir on Mon, 01 July 2019, 23:19:15
Post by: foxmancore on Tue, 02 July 2019, 00:15:27
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 02 July 2019, 00:28:44
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 02 July 2019, 07:34:07
Post by: Rensuya on Tue, 02 July 2019, 11:13:54
I'm thinking about getting the Rama Leaf to combine with 9009, do you think the colors would match the accents from 9009 or is it a completely different shade of green? Any idea?Hard to say. Do you have a color code for the 9009 green? It still could look nice even if not a perfect match!
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 02 July 2019, 18:26:49
I’ll see if I can find that. It’s a stock GMK color afaik. 3U from the top of my head.I'm thinking about getting the Rama Leaf to combine with 9009, do you think the colors would match the accents from 9009 or is it a completely different shade of green? Any idea?Hard to say. Do you have a color code for the 9009 green? It still could look nice even if not a perfect match!
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Post by: 1corazon on Tue, 02 July 2019, 18:45:52
Cant wait
Post by: Minterly on Tue, 02 July 2019, 18:50:59
all in!
Post by: dwarflemur on Wed, 03 July 2019, 13:22:42
Post by: Ashardalon on Wed, 03 July 2019, 17:46:31
Post by: EMC Labs on Wed, 03 July 2019, 19:15:00
Post by: upas on Wed, 03 July 2019, 19:40:54
Everyone who purchases at the $149.99 price will get a $10 refund if 500 base units are sold.
Post by: kidpid on Wed, 03 July 2019, 23:31:01
Hey everyone, we’re well on our way to hitting the 250 MOQ, and Rensuya and I wanted to do something special if we hit 500, so the base kit price will drop to $139.99 on CannonKeys if we hit 500 units sold!
Everyone who purchases at the $149.99 price will get a $10 refund if 500 base units are sold.
Will that apply to those of us that used PayPal? A lot of vendors have stopped offering refunds on PayPal purchases due to the recent changes in policy.
Post by: Bobblybook on Thu, 04 July 2019, 22:57:02
Post by: Rensuya on Sat, 06 July 2019, 19:18:12
Sorry for the late reply, yes it will!Hey everyone, we’re well on our way to hitting the 250 MOQ, and Rensuya and I wanted to do something special if we hit 500, so the base kit price will drop to $139.99 on CannonKeys if we hit 500 units sold!
Everyone who purchases at the $149.99 price will get a $10 refund if 500 base units are sold.
Will that apply to those of us that used PayPal? A lot of vendors have stopped offering refunds on PayPal purchases due to the recent changes in policy.
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 07 July 2019, 22:55:47
More
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Post by: ilouis_07 on Tue, 09 July 2019, 01:32:24
Post by: Rensuya on Wed, 10 July 2019, 20:07:32
My wife says this is her favorite set! Also, I LOVE THE DESIGN SO MUCH. Finally, she understands how beautiful GMK has.aw I'm glad she likes it so much! Thanks for the support ;D
Post by: Rensuya on Fri, 12 July 2019, 12:05:10
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Post by: trg1234 on Fri, 12 July 2019, 14:53:15
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 12 July 2019, 22:22:53
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 12 July 2019, 22:24:29
If you agree to add a 6u spacebar to the base kit @ 500 MOQ I swear I will become the biggest GMK PnC shill ever.
Post by: Yeoh on Sat, 13 July 2019, 16:11:22
Post by: Rensuya on Sat, 13 July 2019, 16:40:28
Any update on the numbers?They will be updated soon
Just noticed this now: any chance we could add a 6u alpha spacebar to the spacebar kit, or the base kit if 500 MOQ is hit? I was sure there was a 6u spacebar, but looking at the renders now I don't see it. :(I will look into this and see what I can do!
If you agree to add a 6u spacebar to the base kit @ 500 MOQ I swear I will become the biggest GMK PnC shill ever.
Are there any renders of PnC on darker (black) cases?I had some but removed them because the alpha colors were off. Here they're anyway, just keep in mind these are a bit off.
https://i.imgur.com/GgJ6V1A.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Fu2mMzf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/B5eRwHv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HPpzxl8.jpg
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 14 July 2019, 00:36:09
Just noticed this now: any chance we could add a 6u alpha spacebar to the spacebar kit, or the base kit if 500 MOQ is hit? I was sure there was a 6u spacebar, but looking at the renders now I don't see it. :(I will look into this and see what I can do!
If you agree to add a 6u spacebar to the base kit @ 500 MOQ I swear I will become the biggest GMK PnC shill ever.
Much love baby. Keep us posted.
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 15 July 2019, 02:42:49
More
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Post by: rxc92 on Thu, 18 July 2019, 06:36:24
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 22 July 2019, 11:49:26
Послато са SM-J510FN помоћу Тапатока
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 23 July 2019, 13:18:41
More
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Post by: konstantin on Tue, 23 July 2019, 13:25:33
Come on fellas, we can get this to 500!
Post by: Rensuya on Tue, 23 July 2019, 14:07:38
Are the Peachkey invoices/raffle going to happen after the GB is closed?Sorry for the late reply. Yes, Invoices for both artisans will happen after GB closes!
Послато са SM-J510FN помоћу Тапатока
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 27 July 2019, 16:30:20
Post by: sl70309 on Sun, 28 July 2019, 17:58:44
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 30 July 2019, 07:03:55
Just noticed this now: any chance we could add a 6u alpha spacebar to the spacebar kit, or the base kit if 500 MOQ is hit? I was sure there was a 6u spacebar, but looking at the renders now I don't see it. :(I will look into this and see what I can do!
If you agree to add a 6u spacebar to the base kit @ 500 MOQ I swear I will become the biggest GMK PnC shill ever.
Have you got any good news for me? :)
Post by: Karni on Thu, 01 August 2019, 11:43:28
Post by: Rensuya on Thu, 01 August 2019, 12:26:18
Not really atm, we're waiting to see if it hits first and then probably poll extra key if possible. :thumb:Just noticed this now: any chance we could add a 6u alpha spacebar to the spacebar kit, or the base kit if 500 MOQ is hit? I was sure there was a 6u spacebar, but looking at the renders now I don't see it. :(I will look into this and see what I can do!
If you agree to add a 6u spacebar to the base kit @ 500 MOQ I swear I will become the biggest GMK PnC shill ever.
Have you got any good news for me? :)
how close are we to 500?Idk the exact number but we're over 400. Maybe we can make it but today's the last day! :eek:
Post by: tunadesu on Thu, 01 August 2019, 19:13:59
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 08 August 2019, 07:16:56
Post by: monkeycap198 on Thu, 08 August 2019, 08:30:00
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 08 August 2019, 15:26:41
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Post by: rxc92 on Thu, 08 August 2019, 22:36:50
Post by: Rensuya on Sun, 11 August 2019, 15:32:33
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Post by: trg1234 on Sun, 11 August 2019, 16:38:16
Post by: 1corazon on Wed, 21 August 2019, 05:43:34
Post by: Rensuya on Sat, 24 August 2019, 15:28:04
HI, So when can we expect a delivery date ?It will ship in December as long as color matching goes well.
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk
Post by: rxc92 on Tue, 03 September 2019, 00:56:11
Post by: Rensuya on Tue, 03 September 2019, 10:52:46
Colors on round 1 turned out pretty close and do look good, but not quite right. Hopefully round 2 will do it or get us closer the goal! ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/KlGoprG.jpg)
Post by: mrpetrov on Tue, 03 September 2019, 10:53:49
Post by: Rensuya on Tue, 03 September 2019, 11:24:40
Wow, that's a pretty great start in terms of color matching, well done Ren!Thanks! I took several photos of these but they were really hard to capture correctly but I think this photo shows them pretty well. We will keep matching until I'm happy with them :thumb:
Post by: rxc92 on Wed, 04 September 2019, 04:14:19
Post by: sterby on Thu, 19 September 2019, 05:42:45
Post by: Maxferfra on Mon, 07 October 2019, 14:22:22
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 18 October 2019, 09:16:01
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 18 October 2019, 13:10:10
Post by: Rensuya on Fri, 18 October 2019, 13:21:43
Can't find anything about expected shipping date. What's the current status? In my case just for the RAMA Leaf, only thing I ordered :P Will those be shipped at the same time or?
Rama caps will ship with/same time as the keysets
Post by: Rensuya on Fri, 18 October 2019, 13:26:27
Keep in mind the colors will look different to everyone and this photo does not show the colors perfectly. (but it does give a good idea)
(https://i.imgur.com/B2U6l4B.jpg)
Post by: ilemondrop on Fri, 18 October 2019, 13:58:56
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 18 October 2019, 14:59:04
UPDATE 2: We have received round 2 color samples and they're nice but I'm not 100% happy with them and I want you to bring you guys the nicest set possible that also goes along with my vision for the set, so we're getting an R3 of samples. Sadly this will push delivery back but bear with me. I'd rather this set come out nice and later rather than sooner and not so nice :thumb:
Keep in mind the colors will look different to everyone and this photo does not show the colors perfectly. (but it does give a good idea)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/B2U6l4B.jpg)
Is Round 2 white the same as Round 1 white?
Post by: Rensuya on Fri, 18 October 2019, 15:54:16
It's the same white. PnC is using CP.UPDATE 2: We have received round 2 color samples and they're nice but I'm not 100% happy with them and I want you to bring you guys the nicest set possible that also goes along with my vision for the set, so we're getting an R3 of samples. Sadly this will push delivery back but bear with me. I'd rather this set come out nice and later rather than sooner and not so nice :thumb:
Keep in mind the colors will look different to everyone and this photo does not show the colors perfectly. (but it does give a good idea)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/B2U6l4B.jpg)
Is Round 2 white the same as Round 1 white?
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Post by: tunadesu on Fri, 18 October 2019, 15:56:31
Post by: Rensuya on Fri, 18 October 2019, 15:57:22
Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.We'll be sure to take my photos with a grain of salt. They do not represent the actual colors of the caps, they're just for reference. The actual colors are lighter
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 18 October 2019, 19:18:27
Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.We'll be sure to take my photos with a grain of salt. They do not represent the actual colors of the caps, they're just for reference. The actual colors are lighter
It's very difficult to shoot two comparable photos:
(https://i.imgur.com/P8hG55A.png)
Post by: Rensuya on Fri, 18 October 2019, 19:41:56
I agree it's very hard to capture colors correctly. But you can see the difference with the white cap. The colors for round 1 samples looked very close to what I could see in person. But in the round 2 photo you can clearly see CP looks like WS2 or something lol.Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.We'll be sure to take my photos with a grain of salt. They do not represent the actual colors of the caps, they're just for reference. The actual colors are lighter
It's very difficult to shoot two comparable photos:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/P8hG55A.png)
Post by: dydy124 on Fri, 18 October 2019, 23:07:10
Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.
I second this. Let's hope r3 is perfect!:)
Would it be possible to point out what you thought needed correction?
Post by: Andalus on Sat, 19 October 2019, 07:21:23
I agree it's very hard to capture colors correctly. But you can see the difference with the white cap. The colors for round 1 samples looked very close to what I could see in person. But in the round 2 photo you can clearly see CP looks like WS2 or something lol.Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.We'll be sure to take my photos with a grain of salt. They do not represent the actual colors of the caps, they're just for reference. The actual colors are lighter
It's very difficult to shoot two comparable photos:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/P8hG55A.png)
Why not take a single photo of both rounds of samples side by side to eliminate as many variables as possible?
First round looked better to my eye. Accent colors are off in both cases, appreciate your discerning eye. Keep at it! :thumb:
Post by: Rensuya on Sat, 19 October 2019, 07:39:54
I might do that if you're curious, however I still cannot get them to show up right with my camera so you will never see them correctly. These pics were just meant to show updates. I do think R3 is going to be great though. I purchased quite a few physical samples before submitting R3. Trust me these will turn out nice!I agree it's very hard to capture colors correctly. But you can see the difference with the white cap. The colors for round 1 samples looked very close to what I could see in person. But in the round 2 photo you can clearly see CP looks like WS2 or something lol.Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.We'll be sure to take my photos with a grain of salt. They do not represent the actual colors of the caps, they're just for reference. The actual colors are lighter
It's very difficult to shoot two comparable photos:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/P8hG55A.png)
Why not take a single photo of both rounds of samples side by side to eliminate as many variables as possible?
First round looked better to my eye. Accent colors are off in both cases, appreciate your discerning eye. Keep at it! :thumb:
Post by: Andalus on Sat, 19 October 2019, 12:55:52
I might do that if you're curious, however I still cannot get them to show up right with my camera so you will never see them correctly. These pics were just meant to show updates. I do think R3 is going to be great though. I purchased quite a few physical samples before submitting R3. Trust me these will turn out nice!I agree it's very hard to capture colors correctly. But you can see the difference with the white cap. The colors for round 1 samples looked very close to what I could see in person. But in the round 2 photo you can clearly see CP looks like WS2 or something lol.Dam, round 1 looks much better than round 2 if not closer to the original renders.We'll be sure to take my photos with a grain of salt. They do not represent the actual colors of the caps, they're just for reference. The actual colors are lighter
It's very difficult to shoot two comparable photos:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/P8hG55A.png)
Why not take a single photo of both rounds of samples side by side to eliminate as many variables as possible?
First round looked better to my eye. Accent colors are off in both cases, appreciate your discerning eye. Keep at it! :thumb:
I'm sure they'll turn out great, Rensuya . Waiting to pair this set with my Milky White Rama U80-A. The renders look incredible.
Appreciate your diligent work! :thumb:
Post by: monkeycap198 on Sun, 20 October 2019, 11:05:25
Post by: Pattycakes on Sun, 20 October 2019, 15:01:11
I'm not familiar with the process here, but in other industries colors can be specified with Pantone references which pretty much eliminates the need for color matching.
What is the process for deciding these colors don't match? Do you have a reference you're holding it against? If you have a physical reference it seems like they should have a reference and the amount of time spent on this could be significantly reduced.
Post by: spakecdk on Thu, 31 October 2019, 10:42:18
Post by: bliss on Wed, 06 November 2019, 08:56:16
I love the physical ISO support right out of the box. Now I've noticed that it is somewhere between UK and US (ANSISO). :-\
That is, neither is fully supported.
If at all possible at this point, I would suggest to change the R3 #~ to R3 \| so that US English over ISO would be complete. Maybe you are aware of this piece http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Why-Do-Keycap-Sets-have-so-many-Copies-of-the-Backslash-Pipe-Key/ (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Why-Do-Keycap-Sets-have-so-many-Copies-of-the-Backslash-Pipe-Key/) by depletedvespene. This is not adding keys, just changing one. :p
(Over at KAT Atlantis the #~ is of course fine (ISO Kit), because you also provide the top row keys required to have full UK.)
Sorry for being late on this, but I was not aware of it earlier. I think the change to R3 \| would really polish this beauty to perfection; if not, I still love it, even with tiniest of quirks -maybe some change to consider for future sets though.
Thanks for giving us Peaches n Cream - soonish on an ISO TKL in front of me :cool:
Post by: Rensuya on Wed, 06 November 2019, 11:48:18
Hi Rensuya! Congrats for the nice numbers! I'm in myself, my first GB and GMK set, so beautifulHey! I have always done this setup with my GMK sets for ISO. And it would be too late to change this for PnC. Thanks for joining!
I love the physical ISO support right out of the box. Now I've noticed that it is somewhere between UK and US (ANSISO). :-\
That is, neither is fully supported.
If at all possible at this point, I would suggest to change the R3 #~ to R3 \| so that US English over ISO would be complete. Maybe you are aware of this piece http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Why-Do-Keycap-Sets-have-so-many-Copies-of-the-Backslash-Pipe-Key/ (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Why-Do-Keycap-Sets-have-so-many-Copies-of-the-Backslash-Pipe-Key/) by depletedvespene. This is not adding keys, just changing one.
(Over at KAT Atlantis the #~ is of course fine (ISO Kit), because you also provide the top row keys required to have full UK.)
Sorry for being late on this, but I was not aware of it earlier. I think the change to R3 \| would really polish this beauty to perfection; if not, I still love it, even with tiniest of quirks -maybe some change to consider for future sets though.
Thanks for giving us Peaches n Cream - soonish on an ISO TKL in front of me :cool:
Post by: bliss on Thu, 07 November 2019, 13:24:24
Hi! Thank you for getting back to me, and to be honest, I love the set either way :DHi Rensuya! Congrats for the nice numbers! I'm in myself, my first GB and GMK set, so beautifulHey! I have always done this setup with my GMK sets for ISO. And it would be too late to change this for PnC. Thanks for joining!
I love the physical ISO support right out of the box. Now I've noticed that it is somewhere between UK and US (ANSISO). :-\
That is, neither is fully supported.
If at all possible at this point, I would suggest to change the R3 #~ to R3 \| so that US English over ISO would be complete. Maybe you are aware of this piece http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Why-Do-Keycap-Sets-have-so-many-Copies-of-the-Backslash-Pipe-Key/ (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Why-Do-Keycap-Sets-have-so-many-Copies-of-the-Backslash-Pipe-Key/) by depletedvespene. This is not adding keys, just changing one.
(Over at KAT Atlantis the #~ is of course fine (ISO Kit), because you also provide the top row keys required to have full UK.)
Sorry for being late on this, but I was not aware of it earlier. I think the change to R3 \| would really polish this beauty to perfection; if not, I still love it, even with tiniest of quirks -maybe some change to consider for future sets though.
Thanks for giving us Peaches n Cream - soonish on an ISO TKL in front of me :cool:
Post by: Maxferfra on Fri, 08 November 2019, 13:05:10
Post by: Maxferfra on Fri, 08 November 2019, 13:08:53
R2 colors are too bright and sharp, and not as muted like R1 and the renders are.
I hope that R3 colors are more muted/pastel than R2.
Post by: zqs1qiwan on Sat, 16 November 2019, 07:31:22
I agree with some people here that R1 was much better than R2.Agree!
R2 colors are too bright and sharp, and not as muted like R1 and the renders are.
I hope that R3 colors are more muted/pastel than R2.
Post by: gidimi on Thu, 21 November 2019, 02:04:41
Post by: Rensuya on Thu, 21 November 2019, 10:30:09
Whats the status on this? Would be nice to also have a photo of both rounds together (no matter the camera quality)Currently awaiting R3
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 22 November 2019, 02:27:52
Post by: Rensuya on Fri, 22 November 2019, 09:41:23
And the rama caps? Are those done?Yeah, I think the Rama will ship soon from some proxies if bought separate from keyset.
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 22 November 2019, 16:29:14
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Post by: megaforce on Fri, 22 November 2019, 18:24:50
Post by: Rensuya on Mon, 25 November 2019, 11:38:31
(https://i.imgur.com/DiHjPoa.jpg)
Post by: gidimi on Wed, 27 November 2019, 08:42:43
Post by: dydy124 on Fri, 13 December 2019, 20:13:56
Post by: The Equals D on Fri, 13 December 2019, 20:24:28
Any update avail ?:)
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Post by: Pattycakes on Sun, 29 December 2019, 23:17:53
Post by: Rensuya on Tue, 31 December 2019, 18:33:18
Is there an update?
We're still waiting on R3 samples to come in. I suspect GMK is a bit behind due to holidays. I'll post here once we have an update :thumb:
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 31 December 2019, 20:13:52
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Post by: Rensuya on Tue, 31 December 2019, 20:28:41
And still no Rama caps? Seems stupid to wait for yet another sample round if you only ordered a rama cap...Well I believe those that purchased only Rama and deskmats will start to get those once vendors have them.
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Post by: dydy124 on Sun, 19 January 2020, 20:09:42
Post by: Rensuya on Mon, 20 January 2020, 10:57:51
Any update avail?No, but I should be getting r3 soon
Post by: bliss on Mon, 20 January 2020, 14:07:02
That is to say, never mind the wait when it turns out fine in the end :thumb:
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 26 January 2020, 05:11:37
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Post by: Rensuya on Sun, 26 January 2020, 16:20:21
Thank you for your patience everyone!
Post by: Andalus on Sun, 26 January 2020, 16:47:09
Post by: Maxferfra on Thu, 30 January 2020, 14:24:14
Are they similar to round 1 or round 2? Round 1 was way better than R2
Post by: Rensuya on Thu, 30 January 2020, 14:31:52
But I am very happy with how R3 came out looking, these are the colors the set will use.
Shipping should be in late March. Cheers everyone!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200130/0beebeb1f9f9ded81cc39ffa3ed0b195.jpg)
Post by: Andalus on Thu, 30 January 2020, 16:25:13
Post by: rxc92 on Fri, 31 January 2020, 01:29:01
Post by: Maxferfra on Mon, 03 February 2020, 13:42:37
Post by: kconfire on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:04:52
It's been a while... just checking in.
Thanks.
Post by: bliss on Sat, 29 February 2020, 11:43:58
Quote
March 20th - GMK PnC will finally arrive!https://www.instagram.com/p/B9E-KGLKOY8/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/B9E-KGLKOY8/)
yay!!
Post by: Dranaes on Sat, 29 February 2020, 20:26:30
Post by: mrpetrov on Sat, 29 February 2020, 21:36:14
Post by: Rensuya on Sat, 29 February 2020, 22:06:34
Any chance extra will be for sale? I was too late to the GBThe vendors will have extras, so no worries :)
Post by: Ajchauvet on Thu, 05 March 2020, 02:45:29
Post by: Sycomore on Thu, 05 March 2020, 04:48:12
What extras will be available through cannon keys? I’d love to try and pick up all sets + Rama caps
While you will be able to get extras of the keycap set, I don't think that they do extras of the Rama caps. That is of course if you plan on getting them on mm
Post by: Pattycakes on Sat, 21 March 2020, 18:29:40
Post by: Rensuya on Sat, 21 March 2020, 18:40:42
Any updates?Currently this is shipping to the vendors
Post by: rxc92 on Thu, 02 April 2020, 10:58:04
Post by: Rensuya on Thu, 02 April 2020, 11:58:15
Will they be coming out this month?Yes, shipping was delayed a bit due to COVID19 but It should be getting to vendors soon to then be sorted and shipped to buyers :thumb:
Post by: Rensuya on Fri, 03 April 2020, 11:21:07
Thank you for your continued patience everyone and stay safe!
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 03 April 2020, 17:53:51
Shipping Update: We got notice from GMK today that they're going to be moving a lot slower due to COVID19. Delivery on this to vendors is being delayed 3-4 weeks. I know this sucks guys but it seems almost everywhere is getting affected by this sadly. I will update you all when I know more.
Thank you for your continued patience everyone and stay safe!
Thanks for the update.
Post by: AaronR on Sat, 04 April 2020, 02:58:55
Post by: bliss on Sat, 04 April 2020, 15:24:29
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 04 April 2020, 19:34:45
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Post by: spakecdk on Wed, 22 April 2020, 08:26:04
Post by: The Equals D on Wed, 22 April 2020, 10:33:33
Please silence my worries with a colour accurate photo, because I am getting nervous with the recent influx of instagram photos of this set, they don't look peachy.
Mind posting the pictures you are talking about. I haven't seen any other than renders
Post by: Rensuya on Wed, 22 April 2020, 12:51:01
1. keysets are not always a 1:1 to renders, that's expected with every keyset. That said I am happy with how these colors turned out based on my vision for the set.
2. You will see how lighting can affect these colors in various different photos taken (especially so in some of Upas's photos)
3. Everyone uses different screens to view these photos, not everyone is going to see them the same.
4. These are just pictures we took with 2 different cameras and have not been edited at all.
5. Everyone sees colors differently.
Thank you for your continued patience everyone and stay safe!
(https://i.imgur.com/zhMqSUx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HOIXjFZ.jpg)
Post by: Tyson on Wed, 22 April 2020, 13:06:05
Color Update: Hey everyone! I know there are some Instagram photos floating around and hopefully, this will ease your concerns. In the following photos below myself and Upas used the same 2 caps in each photo, the caps used are the final production samples and will be what everyone receives. A few things to keep in mind
1. keysets are not always a 1:1 to renders, that's expected with every keyset. That said I am happy with how these colors turned out based on my vision for the set.
2. You will see how lighting can affect these colors in various different photos taken (especially so in some of Upas's photos)
3. Everyone uses different screens to view these photos, not everyone is going to see them the same.
4. These are just pictures we took with 2 different cameras and have not been edited at all.
5. Everyone sees colors differently.
Thank you for your continued patience everyone and stay safe!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zhMqSUx.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HOIXjFZ.jpg)
Ooh Baby, these are hot
Post by: upas on Wed, 22 April 2020, 13:11:54
It's just a really difficult color to photograph, I think.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 22 April 2020, 13:20:03
Color Update: Hey everyone! I know there are some Instagram photos floating around and hopefully, this will ease your concerns. In the following photos below myself and Upas used the same 2 caps in each photo, the caps used are the final production samples and will be what everyone receives. A few things to keep in mind
1. keysets are not always a 1:1 to renders, that's expected with every keyset. That said I am happy with how these colors turned out based on my vision for the set.
2. You will see how lighting can affect these colors in various different photos taken (especially so in some of Upas's photos)
3. Everyone uses different screens to view these photos, not everyone is going to see them the same.
4. These are just pictures we took with 2 different cameras and have not been edited at all.
5. Everyone sees colors differently.
Thank you for your continued patience everyone and stay safe!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zhMqSUx.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HOIXjFZ.jpg)
I think colors are really good!
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 23 April 2020, 19:14:24
martink's photo posted April 1st:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ge4UmP4.jpg)
thanhnd's photo posted April 22nd:
(https://i.imgur.com/2nWAeAZ.jpg)
Post by: Pattycakes on Sat, 02 May 2020, 13:54:27
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/gc5yam/peaches_cream_yummy
Post by: Rensuya on Sat, 02 May 2020, 14:08:49
Is this shipping?Some vendors are shipping
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/gc5yam/peaches_cream_yummy
Post by: Maxferfra on Sun, 03 May 2020, 00:18:59
Post by: Maxferfra on Sun, 03 May 2020, 00:23:32
Post by: dvorcol on Sun, 03 May 2020, 03:43:54
to this
They’re both correct considering the differences in lighting.
Post by: Andalus on Sun, 03 May 2020, 10:18:06
Post by: bliss on Mon, 04 May 2020, 07:26:19
Here's some first impressions...
Colors
The colors are just beautiful. While they are more saturated than in the renders, they are very satisfying and 'peachy'.
Especially the modifier color (light peach) is hard to pinpoint in real life, too. It appears very different under diverse lighting conditions and environments (quickly tested on both my desks). With bright daylight, the set looks more faithful to the renders. Otherwise, as Steve Jobs would say, 'you are not lighting it correctly'. I would not worry about renders when it looks that good in real life though / YMMV.
GMK
Legend quality is impeccable, with the exception of 3 keys :
- Accent ANSI Enter. Line is wobbly and uneven.
- ANSI Enter. Better than the accent counterpart but uneven line width
- 2u Shift. Bottom line has varying thickness and is not horizontal
All other keys are really good, even under close inspection. So GMK have again stepped up their game from recent mishaps (Emir's GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit) but are not there yet all the way. Measured with enthusiast's standards.
Thanks
IMO Ren did an awesome job of translating an idea into the real world, thanks for the great experience :thumb:
Edit: Second impression: super high quality keycaps. Trying the theme on different boards atm
Post by: kuwkdud on Wed, 06 May 2020, 00:25:53
When will it be shipped?
Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 06 May 2020, 02:39:56
Post by: dysphorical on Sat, 09 May 2020, 19:20:45
Post by: Pattycakes on Sat, 09 May 2020, 20:06:22
Some unsolicited advice as someone that used to sell paint as well as do screen-printing: I suggest using paint chips / pantone references when coming up with color sets; It would make color matching easier and there would be no debate of "it looks different depending on lighting/photographer". Regardless, the set looks great, cheers!
Post by: Shikada on Sun, 10 May 2020, 10:50:03
Post by: rxc92 on Sun, 10 May 2020, 12:15:30
Post by: Rensuya on Sun, 10 May 2020, 15:51:35
My set came in today, very satisfied with the result, thanks Ren! It's very photogenic.
Some unsolicited advice as someone that used to sell paint as well as do screen-printing: I suggest using paint chips / pantone references when coming up with color sets; It would make color matching easier and there would be no debate of "it looks different depending on lighting/photographer". Regardless, the set looks great, cheers!
Looks great! Do you have a full album of pics you could post access to?
Post by: Pattycakes on Sun, 10 May 2020, 17:28:26
http://imgur.com/gallery/zcZKhA8
Post by: Neostoic on Mon, 11 May 2020, 02:14:03
I managed to snag a set of the extras from Candy Keys, so excited.
Post by: Andalus on Mon, 11 May 2020, 19:40:55
Not sure if Rensuya was playing mind games all along by setting expectations low and over-delivering in the end, but this keycap set is immaculate. The colors are pastel-y, not as washed out and muted as the renders, but VERY satisfying to look at - better than the renders IMO.
Lovely work Rensuya.
Rama Caps are also God Tier quality. Exactly like the renders.
Thanks for the GB Rensuya, can't wait to see your next creation.
Post by: rxc92 on Mon, 11 May 2020, 21:40:31
Post by: mrpetrov on Mon, 11 May 2020, 22:57:53
Post by: jymv on Tue, 12 May 2020, 08:12:20
Post by: gasp on Tue, 12 May 2020, 13:23:38
I think the set looks great. Very cute. But I would have preferred the render version. The mods are more like neon orange than any shade of peach
Agreed wholeheartedly. If you told me this was the taihao version of pnc I wouldn't question it. I'm glad to see that the color story is still peachy rather than the yellow tones other pictures were showing, but the saturation compared to the renders is ridiculous. It would be nice to have color codes to reference in the future.
Post by: Rensuya on Tue, 12 May 2020, 14:34:07
(https://i.imgur.com/jWyBXiw.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/uPwcGUv.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/6xxxS0x.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/a6Out1z.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/toaQeXQ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/zepfaRG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TnhqVgU.jpg)
Post by: rxc92 on Tue, 12 May 2020, 18:50:44
Post by: AlexAtPanc on Tue, 12 May 2020, 19:38:37
I guess we all know what kind of guy you are now, huh? ;)
Am I crazy or... is that a lot of gum??!?!?! (https://media.tenor.com/images/6e6c948dc0c997a2b3e3b5b888de6049/tenor.gif)
Post by: bliss on Wed, 13 May 2020, 03:21:55
(https://i.imgur.com/LIrbUu4.jpg)
Post by: quadrotiles on Wed, 13 May 2020, 11:45:32
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 13 May 2020, 16:05:44
Glad to see more people are finally getting their sets! Big thanks to everyone who participated in the GB, here are some pics I took on some of my boards ;DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/jWyBXiw.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/uPwcGUv.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6xxxS0x.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/a6Out1z.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/toaQeXQ.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zepfaRG.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/TnhqVgU.jpg)
Looks like Tiny hit it out of the park once again!
Waiting patiently for my set to arrive. Unfortunately, it looks like the artisans have been delayed for us EU folk due to a miscommunication. Hoping I don't have to wait for too long. And, most of all, hoping I'll like the set's colors when I see it irl.
Post by: typischt on Thu, 14 May 2020, 09:53:06
That being said: The actual mod colors are insane and I love it!
Not to worry anyone who hasn’t received their set yet, but it‘s pretty „neon-y“ and therefore I really love it. Not sure how the accent colors will look on a board and not sure, how much I like them. But overall I‘m really happy with the set. I‘d also be down with the more pastel-y colors from the render (even if it ran as another set, haha ;)) since I find pastel really nice.
And in my opinion, the photos posted by bliss are quite accurate, especially the mod colors.
Post by: CandyKeys on Thu, 14 May 2020, 10:47:58
Post by: tunadesu on Thu, 14 May 2020, 12:40:24
Post by: kitty on Wed, 20 May 2020, 03:28:09
Looks like Tiny hit it out of the park once again!
Waiting patiently for my set to arrive. Unfortunately, it looks like the artisans have been delayed for us EU folk due to a miscommunication. Hoping I don't have to wait for too long. And, most of all, hoping I'll like the set's colors when I see it irl.
ooh, where did you get the info about artisans being delayed? i'm in australia and still waiting for mine :')
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 20 May 2020, 08:36:49
Looks like Tiny hit it out of the park once again!
Waiting patiently for my set to arrive. Unfortunately, it looks like the artisans have been delayed for us EU folk due to a miscommunication. Hoping I don't have to wait for too long. And, most of all, hoping I'll like the set's colors when I see it irl.
ooh, where did you get the info about artisans being delayed? i'm in australia and still waiting for mine :')
I can only speak for EU people. I was told this by CandyKeys.
Post by: Emir on Sat, 23 May 2020, 06:09:36
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
Post by: whitty on Sat, 23 May 2020, 06:27:53
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachyNice pun
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
Post by: quadrotiles on Sat, 23 May 2020, 08:50:44
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
Whoa, that's crazy. I've seen pictures of necro a bunch of times, but never the original renders. It's pretty different!
I don't know what could be done now, though, now that the gb is basically complete :/
Post by: bliss on Sat, 23 May 2020, 13:43:12
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
... while this set luckily sits nicely in front of me right now and extras are sold out, the whole color matching process was far from optimal and its apparent complexity is a mystery to me...
Picked a different board than originally planned and looks fine, but others may experience a chromatic clash in that regard.
That said, cannot wait to shine it by using it extensively :)
Post by: Rafa_n on Sat, 23 May 2020, 13:49:41
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Sun, 24 May 2020, 08:44:09
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
Kinda the pot calling the kettle black, no??
Post by: Emir on Sun, 24 May 2020, 09:34:00
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
Kinda the pot calling the kettle black, no??
no? where did I mess up and act like everything was fine and ignore criticism?
Post by: MacGyver214 on Sun, 24 May 2020, 13:16:34
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
... while this set luckily sits nicely in front of me right now and extras are sold out, the whole color matching process was far from optimal and its apparent complexity is a mystery to me...
Picked a different board than originally planned and looks fine, but others may experience a chromatic clash in that regard.
That said, cannot wait to shine it by using it extensively :)
aww man wait, when did extras get sold out, when did extras even go up for sale? :(
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Sun, 24 May 2020, 19:37:31
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
Kinda the pot calling the kettle black, no??
no? where did I mess up and act like everything was fine and ignore criticism?
I guess with Firefly on indefinite delay we'll just have to wait and see. Still super weird to throw shade when you've been absolutely less than perfect yourself as a designer. Did you even buy this set?
Post by: Emir on Sun, 24 May 2020, 23:42:38
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
Kinda the pot calling the kettle black, no??
no? where did I mess up and act like everything was fine and ignore criticism?
I guess with Firefly on indefinite delay we'll just have to wait and see. Still super weird to throw shade when you've been absolutely less than perfect yourself as a designer. Did you even buy this set?
What? Everyone makes mistakes. With firefly I was quick to inform everyone of what is going on and what is being done about it. Did you even try reading what I wrote? What I said was that there is a trend of designers acting as if nothing is wrong when there clearly is something wrong. Despite many customers reporting that the set isn't like the renders rensuya claims the opposite. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Mon, 25 May 2020, 00:45:51
what's the deal with runners that mess up acting as if everything is just peachy
Jessica to this day will claim that necro is perfect
Kinda the pot calling the kettle black, no??
no? where did I mess up and act like everything was fine and ignore criticism?
I guess with Firefly on indefinite delay we'll just have to wait and see. Still super weird to throw shade when you've been absolutely less than perfect yourself as a designer. Did you even buy this set?
What? Everyone makes mistakes. With firefly I was quick to inform everyone of what is going on and what is being done about it. Did you even try reading what I wrote? What I said was that there is a trend of designers acting as if nothing is wrong when there clearly is something wrong. Despite many customers reporting that the set isn't like the renders rensuya claims the opposite. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?
I'm not defending Ren or the set, the colors are off from the renders in my opinion as well. That being said, I still actually enjoy it. The point I was making is that it's odd to see the criticism coming from you, specifically. I'm sitting here with a Kono receipt and fingers crossed. Really hopeful for Firefly to look identical to the renders. And if they're not, then I'm hopeful I can be as forgiving. So again, Pot and Kettle, wait and see.
Post by: Armaguard on Mon, 25 May 2020, 01:22:38
I think I’ll be letting this one go unfortunately. Bit disappointing the difference between what was designed and reality.
I’d be happy if mine looked like some of the pictures posted but that’s simply not the case.
Post by: Armaguard on Mon, 25 May 2020, 07:31:45
Big agree that the colours are not at all like renders. I’ll take some pictures later but my caps are very vibrant. The draw of this set was the pastel/faded orange which is a pretty stark difference to what I’ve got sitting in front of me.
I think I’ll be letting this one go unfortunately. Bit disappointing the difference between what was designed and reality.
I’d be happy if mine looked like some of the pictures posted but that’s simply not the case.
This is as close to real life as I could get with just my phone. But it's quite close with the caps being only slightly more orange on the sides in the image
(https://i.imgur.com/LIMYaNS.jpg)
I am feeling really confused. My set of peaches n cream arrived today and mine looks like none of these photos. The modifiers are light neon orange and not this yellow-y creamy orange that everyone else is posting. The darker, pinker accents are similar, so they look fine but I don't understand how my mods look so different.
I know how you feel. I don't know how other people look so dramatically different
Post by: senryo on Mon, 25 May 2020, 08:33:38
Big agree that the colours are not at all like renders. I’ll take some pictures later but my caps are very vibrant. The draw of this set was the pastel/faded orange which is a pretty stark difference to what I’ve got sitting in front of me.
I think I’ll be letting this one go unfortunately. Bit disappointing the difference between what was designed and reality.
I’d be happy if mine looked like some of the pictures posted but that’s simply not the case.
This is as close to real life as I could get with just my phone. But it's quite close with the caps being only slightly more orange on the sides in the imageShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/LIMYaNS.jpg)I am feeling really confused. My set of peaches n cream arrived today and mine looks like none of these photos. The modifiers are light neon orange and not this yellow-y creamy orange that everyone else is posting. The darker, pinker accents are similar, so they look fine but I don't understand how my mods look so different.
I know how you feel. I don't know how other people look so dramatically different
To be fair, this isn't the first set, at least from my own point of view, that the actual sets designed by Ren are off colored to the original renders.
First Mizu
Render: (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1674/0405/products/Untitled-9_f9d42c1d-6916-4a2f-914a-62aef7b2ffe8_768x.png?v=1577219270)
Actual: (https://preview.redd.it/yuotqf9tim941.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=548e4df1109b73b5107bd7ddd2cb5f108b176720)
Then now PnC
Render: (https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241360;image)
Actual: (https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241358;image)
credit to Maxferfra (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=71772)
Both shares similar characteristics in terms of the extend of color difference from its original renders - darker.
What I believe is that, if you as an author of the set, believed that the set should go on to a different path when you received the sample chip/key from manufacturer, you should let everyone knows and update the renders before the GB because that's what attracts others to support your project(s) in the first place. An author shouldn't change his direction when he receives everyone's monetary support and attempts on a bait and switch (forgive me if it sounds offensive, but in reality, that's what can be objectively seen as); rather, stick to what was offered to the table, the render's colors.
Ren has been trying to fend off this accusation by saying the colors are reflected differently under different lightings. I partly agree to this saying because lighting does affect colors. But at the end of the day, there is no denying that the colors are conspicuously differently from the renders regardless if the lighting is warm or cold, its just the colors are different, light versus dark, simple as that.
Some argue, its still very good looking.
This is not a valid argument to safeguard his work. It doesn't matter whether the outcome is good or not, its the attitude and quality of work he should ensure himself to uphold because at the end of the day, it's his supporters' whos helping to make this set become a reality. And let's look at this problem from a different perspective, let's say if this turns out very wrong, just like what happened to GMK Necro. Would you be as forgiving as you would? You see, its not about the outcome, not that its not important, but that the attitude and quality of work people entrusted Ren in the first place, he, at least from my point of view, betrays it.
It's very alarming to me that a keyset author has, again, from my point of view, screwed up 2 GMK sets on colorings (and I just did a brief research, to my surprise, there were only 2 sets designed by Ren that are out in the wild, that's a 100% screw up rate); I wanted to support community projects, but this is just something that makes me wonder if I should take part in any of Ren's GB in the future.
edit: to further validate my argument, yes, I have a PnC set as well. And to my eyes, its definitely not what was offered and I am to this day still very disappointed.
edit 2: further elaboration
edit 3: same ^
Post by: Raravin on Mon, 25 May 2020, 08:52:01
Big agree that the colours are not at all like renders. I’ll take some pictures later but my caps are very vibrant. The draw of this set was the pastel/faded orange which is a pretty stark difference to what I’ve got sitting in front of me.
I think I’ll be letting this one go unfortunately. Bit disappointing the difference between what was designed and reality.
I’d be happy if mine looked like some of the pictures posted but that’s simply not the case.
This is as close to real life as I could get with just my phone. But it's quite close with the caps being only slightly more orange on the sides in the imageShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/LIMYaNS.jpg)I am feeling really confused. My set of peaches n cream arrived today and mine looks like none of these photos. The modifiers are light neon orange and not this yellow-y creamy orange that everyone else is posting. The darker, pinker accents are similar, so they look fine but I don't understand how my mods look so different.
I know how you feel. I don't know how other people look so dramatically different
To be fair, this isn't the first set, at least from my own point of view, that the actual sets designed by Ren are off colored to the original renders.
First Mizu
Render:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1674/0405/products/Untitled-9_f9d42c1d-6916-4a2f-914a-62aef7b2ffe8_768x.png?v=1577219270)
Actual:Show Image(https://preview.redd.it/yuotqf9tim941.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=548e4df1109b73b5107bd7ddd2cb5f108b176720)
Then now PnC
Render:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241360;image)
Actual:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241358;image)
credit to Maxferfra (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=71772)
Both shares similar characteristics in terms of the extend of color difference from its original renders - darker.
What I believe is that, if you as an author of the set, believed that the set should go on to a different path when you received the sample chip/key from manufacturer, you should let everyone knows and update the renders before the GB because that's what attracts others to support your project(s) in the first place. An author shouldn't change his direction when he receives everyone's monetary support and attempts on a bait and switch (forgive me if it sounds offensive, but in reality, that's what can be objectively seen as); rather, stick to what was offered to the table, the render's colors.
Ren has been trying to fend off this accusation by saying the colors are reflected differently under different lightings. I partly agree to this saying because lighting does affect colors. But at the end of the day, there is no denying that the colors are conspicuously differently from the renders regardless if the lighting is warm or cold, its just the colors are different, light versus dark, simple as that.
Some argue, its still very good looking.
This is not a valid argument to safeguard his work. It doesn't matter whether the outcome is good or not, its the attitude and quality of work he should ensure himself to uphold because at the end of the day, it's his supporters' whos helping to make this set become a reality. And let's look at this problem from a different perspective, let's say if this turns out very wrong, just like what happened to GMK Necro. Would you be as forgiving as you would? You see, its not about the outcome, not that its not important, but that the attitude and quality of work people entrusted Ren in the first place, he, at least from my point of view, betrays it.
It's very alarming to me that a keyset author has, again, from my point of view, screwed up 2 GMK sets on colorings; I wanted to support community projects, but this is just something that makes me wonder if I should take part in any of Ren's GB in the future.
edit: to further validate my argument, yes, I have a PnC set as well. And to my eyes, its definitely not what was offered and I am to this day still very disappointed.
edit 2: further elaboration
As an owner of Mizu at least I don't mind it being different then renders. There always has to be some expectation that renders can not ever be 1:1 of color. Can always try to get it as close in person, but if the colors are close to the actual RAL / Pantone chips or colors that you have in person to the ones you made the set with then it gets designed.
The same argument can be said with renders of my own issues with GMK Demon Sword and GMK Rudy where people were calling the navy the exact same. Where looking at in hand RAL book comparing colors they were 100% different but renders made them look similar.
Post by: senryo on Mon, 25 May 2020, 09:05:54
To be fair, this isn't the first set, at least from my own point of view, that the actual sets designed by Ren are off colored to the original renders.
First Mizu
Render:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1674/0405/products/Untitled-9_f9d42c1d-6916-4a2f-914a-62aef7b2ffe8_768x.png?v=1577219270)
Actual:Show Image(https://preview.redd.it/yuotqf9tim941.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=548e4df1109b73b5107bd7ddd2cb5f108b176720)
Then now PnC
Render:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241360;image)
Actual:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241358;image)
credit to Maxferfra (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=71772)
Both shares similar characteristics in terms of the extend of color difference from its original renders - darker.
What I believe is that, if you as an author of the set, believed that the set should go on to a different path when you received the sample chip/key from manufacturer, you should let everyone knows and update the renders before the GB because that's what attracts others to support your project(s) in the first place. An author shouldn't change his direction when he receives everyone's monetary support and attempts on a bait and switch (forgive me if it sounds offensive, but in reality, that's what can be objectively seen as); rather, stick to what was offered to the table, the render's colors.
Ren has been trying to fend off this accusation by saying the colors are reflected differently under different lightings. I partly agree to this saying because lighting does affect colors. But at the end of the day, there is no denying that the colors are conspicuously differently from the renders regardless if the lighting is warm or cold, its just the colors are different, light versus dark, simple as that.
Some argue, its still very good looking.
This is not a valid argument to safeguard his work. It doesn't matter whether the outcome is good or not, its the attitude and quality of work he should ensure himself to uphold because at the end of the day, it's his supporters' whos helping to make this set become a reality. And let's look at this problem from a different perspective, let's say if this turns out very wrong, just like what happened to GMK Necro. Would you be as forgiving as you would? You see, its not about the outcome, not that its not important, but that the attitude and quality of work people entrusted Ren in the first place, he, at least from my point of view, betrays it.
It's very alarming to me that a keyset author has, again, from my point of view, screwed up 2 GMK sets on colorings; I wanted to support community projects, but this is just something that makes me wonder if I should take part in any of Ren's GB in the future.
edit: to further validate my argument, yes, I have a PnC set as well. And to my eyes, its definitely not what was offered and I am to this day still very disappointed.
edit 2: further elaboration
As an owner of Mizu at least I don't mind it being different then renders. There always has to be some expectation that renders can not ever be 1:1 of color. Can always try to get it as close in person, but if the colors are close to the actual RAL / Pantone chips or colors that you have in person to the ones you made the set with then it gets designed.
The same argument can be said with renders of my own issues with GMK Demon Sword and GMK Rudy where people were calling the navy the exact same. Where looking at in hand RAL book comparing colors they were 100% different but renders made them look similar.
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As an owner of Mizu at least I don't mind it being different then renders.
You see that's the type of argument I just mentioned earlier that it doesn't mean it's okay to be different. It just so happens the difference is not big enough / worse enough to make you feel bad about the set.
In the case of PnC, the difference is huge because its more saturated and vibrant IRL when compared to renders. To me, the main reason I hopped on the ship to support the project was because of the pale peach color. Difference matters in this case because the outcome is that its not pale peach, its vibrant peach. If you're saying that this is just a one time mess up, I would have
IIRC, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Ren said he went with his vision with the set so he thinks its alright. With this logic, if Apple starts a GB and asked for funding for a dark mode mobile system, people support; turns out its a grey mode system because they think it went along with their vision, do you think its acceptable?
Post by: Raravin on Mon, 25 May 2020, 09:12:19
It is something you have to wait and see what it is said, stated before it could be 100% matching to the color chips / parts that was in hand. I think comparing this to necro as someone did before was over the top.
Post by: senryo on Mon, 25 May 2020, 09:14:15
Not quoting just cause of huge wall of text at this point.
It is something you have to wait and see what it is said, stated before it could be 100% matching to the color chips / parts that was in hand. I think comparing this to necro as someone did before was over the top.
If that is true, what is the point of renders? Just a vague representation of a concept?
Sorry I'm not buying this logic. An author, who is crowdfunding for a project should be responsible to his supporters. Simple as that.
And not to mention, Ren started his color matching after GB concluded.
Post by: Raravin on Mon, 25 May 2020, 09:18:10
Not quoting just cause of huge wall of text at this point.
It is something you have to wait and see what it is said, stated before it could be 100% matching to the color chips / parts that was in hand. I think comparing this to necro as someone did before was over the top.
If that is true, what is the point of renders? Just a vague representation of a concept?
Sorry I'm not buying this logic. An author, who is crowdfunding for a project should be responsible to his supporters. Simple as that.
Yes that is the point of renders, renders is to get as close as can to the actual set as possible. Sometimes they are 1:1 sometimes they are slightly off like Mizu and PnC. No different then throwing something up in KLE. The KLE colors are not 100% as HTML colors are not 100% as the actual production color. I have run into this myself multiple times. At times as well looking up colors for other sets. On a computer you try to get as close as possible but can not guarantee it being 100% accurate on a PC as getting something in person and having the color in hand. Designers like Ren at least try I know personally has a Dell Ultrasharp (one of the most color accurate monitors on the market) as well as a calibrator to try to get colors as best as possible. Even then cannot guarantee colors on a computer being the exact same as the in person color book. Again from my own personal experience GMK Rudy vs GMK Demonsword. The navy looks close on renders but in person color book they are leagues different.
Post by: senryo on Mon, 25 May 2020, 09:23:56
Not quoting just cause of huge wall of text at this point.
It is something you have to wait and see what it is said, stated before it could be 100% matching to the color chips / parts that was in hand. I think comparing this to necro as someone did before was over the top.
If that is true, what is the point of renders? Just a vague representation of a concept?
Sorry I'm not buying this logic. An author, who is crowdfunding for a project should be responsible to his supporters. Simple as that.
Yes that is the point of renders, renders is to get as close as can to the actual set as possible. Sometimes they are 1:1 sometimes they are slightly off like Mizu and PnC. No different then throwing something up in KLE. The KLE colors are not 100% as HTML colors are not 100% as the actual production color. I have run into this myself multiple times. At times as well looking up colors for other sets. On a computer you try to get as close as possible but can not guarantee it being 100% accurate on a PC as getting something in person and having the color in hand. Designers like Ren at least try I know personally has a Dell Ultrasharp (one of the most color accurate monitors on the market) as well as a calibrator to try to get colors as best as possible. Even then cannot guarantee colors on a computer being the exact same as the in person color book. Again from my own personal experience GMK Rudy vs GMK Demonsword. The navy looks close on renders but in person color book they are leagues different.
I'm sorry but I must disagree with you on this.
Renders are essentially what people are perceiving when a project / interest check is initiated. It's should be a faithful representation of the potential goods, not a vague representation.
Yes there must be a lot of challenges during the coloring matching phase, I wouldn't deny it. But standing from a consumer point of view, I don't really care how difficult was it for you to do the coloring matching, regardless its on a super fancy monitor or you need to pull your wallet to invest on hyper color accurate equipment. Why? Because its your responsibility. Please don't sound like the difficulties laid in this phase is the reason for consumer to be more forgiving when the actual product is apparently different from the renders. You're well paid to do the job.
Post by: Raravin on Mon, 25 May 2020, 09:27:10
Post by: senryo on Mon, 25 May 2020, 09:40:38
That is fine and will be my final point. All I am saying that renders try to get as accurate as possible. You can never 100% guarantee a render is 100% accurate on a computer you try as hard as you can to get it. But nothing compares to the in person color and having your Color Sample and the Product Sample in hand for comparison. If your Color chip sample from the manu. and your product sample from GMK or wherever are matching then it is what you had visioned and designed the set to be.
I understand your point.
But at least, lots of other sets I've supported didn't turn out like that. We didn't see GMK Serika got screwed, we didn't see GMK Oblivion has color issues, we didn't see GMK Jamon came out wrong when compared with renders.
Did these author went through hell with color matching?
I bet so.
Did these sets fail as in having different shades of colors when compared to renders?
No.
I specifically mentioned the above sets and authors because these sets are either very challenging to do color matching or the author are very active in contributing the community, just as active as Ren is. But I don't see any problem with theirs, why Ren's, and 2 sets in a roll?
I'm not trying to offend Ren or be rude. As I said, I supported the set, because I love the idea. But when it came out wrong, I want to objectively give constructive criticism on this regard.
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You can never 100% guarantee a render is 100% accurate on a computer you try as hard as you can to get it.
We are not talking about a very mild difference. It's dark versus light. Pale peach versus vibrant peach.
And RAL covers a wide range of colors, there is no excuse.
Post by: olsen34 on Mon, 25 May 2020, 09:45:32
That is fine and will be my final point. All I am saying that renders try to get as accurate as possible. You can never 100% guarantee a render is 100% accurate on a computer you try as hard as you can to get it. But nothing compares to the in person color and having your Color Sample and the Product Sample in hand for comparison. If your Color chip sample from the manu. and your product sample from GMK or wherever are matching then it is what you had visioned and designed the set to be.
What are renders for if they are not "what you had visioned and designed the set to be"? Are they just for decorations? Is the aim of renders to make them as pretty and as unrealistic as possible?
Post by: Dr_Bond on Mon, 25 May 2020, 09:53:33
Post by: bliss on Mon, 25 May 2020, 09:56:40
aww man wait, when did extras get sold out, when did extras even go up for sale? :(Have a look at the vendor's shops, you see the elevated prices for the kits - then it's extras. They are usually live when vendors start shipping to customers and sometimes are sold out very quickly. You need to check their website and social media beforehand to know exactly when extras drop :thumb:
You may find someone in this thread willing to trade his/her set, though...
Some argue, its still very good looking.Agreed. Here it is luck that many like it regardless. But this is by no means an acquittal.
This is not a valid argument to safeguard his work. It doesn't matter whether the outcome is good or not, its the attitude and quality of work he should ensure himself to uphold because at the end of the day, it's his supporters' whos helping to make this set become a reality. And let's look at this problem from a different perspective, let's say if this turns out very wrong, just like what happened to GMK Necro. Would you be as forgiving as you would? You see, its not about the outcome, not that its not important, but that the attitude and quality of work people entrusted Ren in the first place, he, at least from my point of view, betrays it.
I discuss custom colors in a separate thread, how the procedure should be ideally. You may want to chime in there!
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106588.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106588.0)
Post by: Rensuya on Mon, 25 May 2020, 12:18:59
Let's talk about Peaches n Cream. Yes - it's more saturated than the renders. While in some lighting, the set does look close, I'd say in the majority of instances, it looks more saturated. And we should have gone lighter on the colors we picked.
But let me provide some context as well. This isn't an excuse - but more of an explanation of what happened. To begin, we picked some RAL colors. But when we received them, they weren't peachy enough. So we tried a 2nd round of color samples with RAL colors. This 2nd round was even worse than the first, to my eyes. So we bought 8 different pantone chips for a 3rd round of color sampling. We narrowed it down between two pairs of pantone colors, and unfortunately, we picked the more saturated colors.
Despite ordering the R3 color samples in October, we only received them in late January. They matched the colors we asked for well, and we thought they'd look great. We liked them well enough to move forward. In retrospect, we should have asked for an R4 with the lighter pantone colors, to at least compare. But it's hard to add another 3 month delay when you're already late. And we truly did believe that the colors we got in Round 3 were amazing, captured the essence of Peaches n Cream, and resembled the renders.
Our decision was correct in one way - the set that was produced with the pantone colors we chose came out great. I strongly believe that Peaches n Cream looks amazing in person. I also think that some people here are overreacting. The set is hard to photograph and some people haven't seen the set in person, and are comparing it to sets that matched much worse. I have never stated that the set was perfect to renders, just that I thought it looked great.
On the subject of renders... someone earlier brought up Apple. You should check out the renders of products they release before and after the product ships. You might be surprised. That said, we try to get renders to get close to what the set will look like. There is always going to be a small margin of error. The only way to know for sure, is for you to look at a color in person. I think Mizu fell into that margin of error. For Peaches n Cream, I can admit where I made a mistake.
Anyways, there are some things we did well with Peaches n Cream, that we will continue to do:
- We looked at the colors on a physical medium before asking for color samples from GMK (Some RAL Design colors are not readily available in plastic). We felt they were peachy enough to move foward with color sampling, but the plastic samples from GMK did not match that perception.
- We took 3 rounds. This was good in a sense because we were not satisfied with round 1 or 2, which I think would have made a worse product. Ideally, we would have taken a 4th round.
And there are some things I'm doing now that I've learned to do, based on my experience, which I have been doing if you look at any of my newer sets:
- Announce RAL colors ahead of time, so customers can validate the color choices based on their own perceptions if they so desire. Renders are never going to be 1:1, but this will let people get an even better idea.
- Start color sampling before the GB starts
- Announce any changes to colors if a 2nd round is necessary
If Peaches n Cream ever runs again, we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?). For those of you who are unhappy with the set, I'm truly sorry, and I promise that I'll work harder and do better going forward, and I hope you can see the steps I've taken already.
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 25 May 2020, 13:50:50
The lack of accountability is really staggering when it comes to keycap sets not being close the advertised product. All people can do is say that they are sorry, and that the people who spent this money are overreacting, and that MAYBE next time, when people are allowed to spend their money AGAIN on something they have no proof will be any better, has the potential to be what it was supposed to be years back.
I have such a massive hesitation to join any group buy because of the numerous post-gb threads and runners/vendors supposedly being incapable of doing anything after everything is said and done.
Post by: senryo on Mon, 25 May 2020, 14:14:46
That said, if you may, allow me to give some of my thoughts with regard to the writeup. And please don't take the following as personal attack, I'm merely inputting my own thoughts as objectively as I could, not to rant on a set that I don't like, nor it may seem that I'm against an author, but because I want the community to thrive, in a more healthy manner, just like everyone else.
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I've refrained from saying anything up to this point because I like my actions to speak louder than my words, but I think it's appropriate to give my thoughts here given the discussion that's been happening.
This is a very interesting take because, again, from my humble point of view, when there are dozens of ICs Ren is running at the moment, and that the 2 sets that came out from the factory has encountered a off color issue; isn't that it is alarming enough for an author to step up and clarify what steps should be taken and explain to his supporters and potential supporters that why the other sets of his will not face similar ordeal?
I've been saying, its not whether the set came out looking good or not, its the attitude and quality the author is bound to uphold to make his supporters feel ensured and have faith on him. It's a group buy, if, given the aforementioned situation, one would still want to commit to a motto - action speaks louder than voice, does that mean the supporters or potential supporters would have to take risk for the future sets Ren is willing to run? That doesn't sound logical to me, neither it is the proper way to handle the matter.
I've been observing from the first day when Louis posted the picture and part of the community immediately blew up because the colors were very different from render in the picture. I'm not sure by that time, had Ren personally seen the set already. But if he did, how hard was it to say its different from renders due to the darker/more vibrant/more saturated taste? But rather, Ren, correct me if I am wrong, explained renders are not always 100%, pictures were not properly taken because of lightings, believed it captured the essence of the vision. Up to this moment, Ren admitted its not the same as render and might I quote: "For Peaches n Cream, I can admit where I made a mistake."
I think as a consumer, I would rather you take the responsibility at the very beginning when you realized what's really going on. Just as I said, it's not about how good looking it turns out, but the attitude and quality you should uphold because the renders were the only thing that made this a reality, not the final set.
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On the subject of renders... someone earlier brought up Apple. You should check out the renders of products they release before and after the product ships. You might be surprised.
I chuckled when I saw this because the analogy I made was not about whether the actual product made by Apple = the renders they made; instead, if anyone needs more enlightenment on this manner, is that of the concept - bait and switch.
And again, I wouldn't want anyone to take this personally, especially Ren. I'm saying this is a bait and switch because it is. As mentioned in the discussion before, the end product is different from what was proposed. If colors of keyset is just a peripheral additional like the colors of airpods, I wouldn't have any problem with it if the colors turned out looking bad because the main product isn't airpod's colors, but the quality of the sound and the comfortness when you wear it. The problem is, colors of a keyset are the soul, essence of the set. It is what makes people dig the idea, it is what people gonna look at on their keyboard, it IS the crux of the whole project. It's not like you mess up the drawing of the bandarole, its the colors of the keyset man.
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I also think that some people here are overreacting. The set is hard to photograph and some people haven't seen the set in person, and are comparing it to sets that matched much worse.
So are people overreacting? or should the question be, should people overreact?
In my humble opinion, I don't think people should overreact. But consumers who supported the set have a right to voice out their concerns when the set is not looking like the same as what they had hoped for. So is voicing out their concerns an overreaction? No, because keyset author is well paid to do their job.
Was the set difficult to shoot?
Probably.
Is the colors off?
According to Ren, yes.
Did you see it in person?
Yes.
So I believe I have the right to voice out and not counted as overreacting?
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- Announce RAL colors ahead of time, so customers can validate the color choices based on their own perceptions if they so desire. Renders are never going to be 1:1, but this will let people get an even better idea.
It's nice to hear the precautions and steps taken to ensure similar ordeal from happening. What I'm more concerned with this quote though is that the logic of color sampling before GB and upon IC is that you could communicate with your render guy in order to faithfully reflect your vision with the renders. The way Ren expressed it made me wonder -- "So when the renders were made, Ren didn't even think of the pantone code / RAL code when communicating with the render guy?"
That seems to me a bit too...if I may, causal. Renders are, possibly the most important factor in an IC because beside the sample chip, color codes, it is the best representation of the end product before it is produced.
Sample chips?
it depends on how well you take the picture;
Color codes?
People would have to do the imagination without renders.
I cannot imagine one was taking this lightly considering how much investment were in the line; not to mention, again, author is well paid not only because of the exquisite design, but also his ability. But of course, an argument cannot be built upon a speculation, so I could only imagine.
"...if they so desire"
As if Ren is reluctant to do so. It'd be rude to say this but the way it is expressed leave sour taste in mouth. Isn't it the responsibility of the runner of GBs to ensure his supporters of what they are getting into? Supporters are entitled to know as much as they could before they enter the GB because of the nature of this whole thing works. Consumers are paying full price upfront only because of several renders, updates, communications, but not the actual product. Why sounds so salty? Yikes.
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...we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?)
Let us revisit the renders.
(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241360;image)
Not sure what Ren wants to achieve with that name, but to me, this was what PnC suppose to be. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm taking time to do this, again, not because I have so much time I want to rant on a set and bash the author to mud, but because I was extremely excited to receive the set and left equally disappointed when I received it, and got further depressed when seeing how Ren handled the matter.
With that many discussions above, let me reorganized my humble views.
- it's not about how good it turned out; its about the process, the choice making and the responsibility to the supporters
- it's not about hitting the proposed concepts / renders 1:1, but rather, faithfully following that path you set, not the vision you changed afterwards
Edit: forgot an argument, gotta add it back
Post by: Emir on Mon, 25 May 2020, 16:35:06
Respect for writing something down, but much like with gmk wob hiragana it only frustrated more.
Post by: Andalus on Mon, 25 May 2020, 18:19:48
I would have preferred more muted modifiers as well, but the set is decidedly good-looking.
I think Ren realizes he didn't get it quite right; there is merit to some of the objectionable views here - I think he's working to address these issues.
Ren - run it a 2nd time with Muted Mods please.
Post by: leexy on Tue, 26 May 2020, 04:46:49
I'm all for Paler-PnC.
I would have preferred more muted modifiers as well, but the set is decidedly good-looking.
I think Ren realizes he didn't get it quite right; there is merit to some of the objectionable views here - I think he's working to address these issues.
Ren - run it a 2nd time with Muted Mods please.
what
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 26 May 2020, 15:33:59
The communities reliance an expectations from renders has also grown exponentially over the years. The very early 3D renders we had (Jukebox R1 on Massdrop for example) were certainly not made to be truly accurate to colors. Obviously they were close, but not exact. The growth of renders has been impressive, with most being nearly photorealistic these days. That being said, just because a render is technically impressive doesn't also mean that it is going to be exactly what the finished product looks like. This isn't anyones fault, just something people should be aware of.
Providing color codes (RAL, Pantone, stock colors, etc) ahead of time is always the best practice I think. If consumers are truly worried about what the actual colors will look like before investing they can procure a sample of the colors ahead of time if they want. Colors designed for print like Pantone can still be difficult to imagine as plastic even when you have a book, so getting a plastic sample from Pantone is recommended. Generally it is pretty easy to know ahead of time if a color may be different in the render than in real life (again, muted colors, highlight colors, lighter shades especially).
One last note, in my opinion contrast is the bigger issue when designing/buying sets I think. Colors being slightly different is one thing, but if the contrast isn't correct then the set really could be less useable. I'm personally much more cautious with sets when I have concerns with contrast.
This is not a knock on this set at all, I personally think it looks great in person, different but good. This is a general PSA for folks new to buying sets and things to look for when buying a custom color set that has no IRL to look at before purchasing.
Post by: bliss on Wed, 27 May 2020, 05:16:50
Providing color codes (RAL, Pantone, stock colors, etc) ahead of time is always the best practice I think. If consumers are truly worried about what the actual colors will look like before investing they can procure a sample of the colors ahead of time if they want. Colors designed for print like Pantone can still be difficult to imagine as plastic even when you have a book, so getting a plastic sample from Pantone is recommended. Generally it is pretty easy to know ahead of time if a color may be different in the render than in real life (again, muted colors, highlight colors, lighter shades especially).Word!
And in the Moomin IC, Rensuya already puts the RAL #s up front :thumb:
This is not a knock on this set at all, I personally think it looks great in person, different but good.Yes!
Post by: Andalus on Wed, 27 May 2020, 07:58:47
I'm all for Paler-PnC.
I would have preferred more muted modifiers as well, but the set is decidedly good-looking.
I think Ren realizes he didn't get it quite right; there is merit to some of the objectionable views here - I think he's working to address these issues.
Ren - run it a 2nd time with Muted Mods please.
what
What x 2?
Post by: rxc92 on Wed, 27 May 2020, 21:25:59
I'm all for Paler-PnC.
I would have preferred more muted modifiers as well, but the set is decidedly good-looking.
I think Ren realizes he didn't get it quite right; there is merit to some of the objectionable views here - I think he's working to address these issues.
Ren - run it a 2nd time with Muted Mods please.
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Post by: JohnsonMG on Wed, 27 May 2020, 22:49:02
I did want to touch on something Ren brought up though; forgoing a round 4 of samples because the set was late. I think a vast majority of buyers, especially in this community, are happy to wait if it means getting a better product. I hope you were not getting pressured too much to wrap PnC up. If it was just personal pressure, please know that we all loved and supported your idea, and were happy to pay and anxiously wait for it to come to fruition.
I will echo what others have said though, despite not matching renders, the set looks great.
Post by: leexy on Wed, 27 May 2020, 23:18:40
I'm all for Paler-PnC.
I would have preferred more muted modifiers as well, but the set is decidedly good-looking.
I think Ren realizes he didn't get it quite right; there is merit to some of the objectionable views here - I think he's working to address these issues.
Ren - run it a 2nd time with Muted Mods please.
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Post by: Andalus on Thu, 28 May 2020, 22:16:36
I'm all for Paler-PnC.
I would have preferred more muted modifiers as well, but the set is decidedly good-looking.
I think Ren realizes he didn't get it quite right; there is merit to some of the objectionable views here - I think he's working to address these issues.
Ren - run it a 2nd time with Muted Mods please.
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You seem like you're struggling, perhaps reading comprehension isn't your strong suit?
Post by: djcostcosamples on Thu, 28 May 2020, 23:11:51
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 29 May 2020, 00:03:25
As someone who joined the group buy, I'd be annoyed (perhaps unjustly) if Ren reran the set with modifiers that were closer to the original vision of the set, since a lot of people seem disappointed with how different the final product was to expectations. I understand that caveat emptor applies to group buys and that first adopters of anything run the biggest risk of being disappointed if/when a product is revised, but I think at the very least, it'd be a nice gesture to allow original supporters of the group buy an opportunity to purchase a set of just the modifiers if there's a "corrected" round 2 (and assuming the legends color isn't changed too).
as shown in past cases the best move is to do nothing for this set (since there's nothing to be done) and do better on the next set
often people have kneejerk reactions to things like this because, as you stated, the people who join the buy assume the risk of the colors coming out wrong
if, in a year or two, people are high on this set, then a new round should be considered
otherwise i agree with precedent and that the best course of action is to sell your set if you don't like it and try again in the next buy
a lot of work goes into a GB and pivoting into an r2 of a set that people are currently very low on is highly inadvisable
edit to add: cases like this bring out the amateur color scientists, which is actually kind of fascinating to watch because color science is, to my knowledge, one of the most complex fields and many people misunderstand it
Post by: neutralstate on Fri, 29 May 2020, 07:31:25
To be fair, this isn't the first set, at least from my own point of view, that the actual sets designed by Ren are off colored to the original renders.
First Mizu
Render:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1674/0405/products/Untitled-9_f9d42c1d-6916-4a2f-914a-62aef7b2ffe8_768x.png?v=1577219270)
Actual:Show Image(https://preview.redd.it/yuotqf9tim941.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=548e4df1109b73b5107bd7ddd2cb5f108b176720)
Then now PnC
Render:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241360;image)
Actual:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241358;image)
credit to Maxferfra (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=71772)
Both shares similar characteristics in terms of the extend of color difference from its original renders - darker.
What I believe is that, if you as an author of the set, believed that the set should go on to a different path when you received the sample chip/key from manufacturer, you should let everyone knows and update the renders before the GB because that's what attracts others to support your project(s) in the first place. An author shouldn't change his direction when he receives everyone's monetary support and attempts on a bait and switch (forgive me if it sounds offensive, but in reality, that's what can be objectively seen as); rather, stick to what was offered to the table, the render's colors.
Ren has been trying to fend off this accusation by saying the colors are reflected differently under different lightings. I partly agree to this saying because lighting does affect colors. But at the end of the day, there is no denying that the colors are conspicuously differently from the renders regardless if the lighting is warm or cold, its just the colors are different, light versus dark, simple as that.
Some argue, its still very good looking.
This is not a valid argument to safeguard his work. It doesn't matter whether the outcome is good or not, its the attitude and quality of work he should ensure himself to uphold because at the end of the day, it's his supporters' whos helping to make this set become a reality. And let's look at this problem from a different perspective, let's say if this turns out very wrong, just like what happened to GMK Necro. Would you be as forgiving as you would? You see, its not about the outcome, not that its not important, but that the attitude and quality of work people entrusted Ren in the first place, he, at least from my point of view, betrays it.
It's very alarming to me that a keyset author has, again, from my point of view, screwed up 2 GMK sets on colorings (and I just did a brief research, to my surprise, there were only 2 sets designed by Ren that are out in the wild, that's a 100% screw up rate); I wanted to support community projects, but this is just something that makes me wonder if I should take part in any of Ren's GB in the future.
edit: to further validate my argument, yes, I have a PnC set as well. And to my eyes, its definitely not what was offered and I am to this day still very disappointed.
edit 2: further elaboration
edit 3: same ^
i did not get PnC but did get Mizu. I just wanted to chip in here to mention that my Mizu set actually looks alot closer to the render here than the photo. Something is off about the color correction of that photo.
Can't comment about PnC but Ren definitely got Mizu right.
Post by: Tsuki on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:57:24
To be fair, this isn't the first set, at least from my own point of view, that the actual sets designed by Ren are off colored to the original renders.
First Mizu
Render:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1674/0405/products/Untitled-9_f9d42c1d-6916-4a2f-914a-62aef7b2ffe8_768x.png?v=1577219270)
Actual:Show Image(https://preview.redd.it/yuotqf9tim941.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=548e4df1109b73b5107bd7ddd2cb5f108b176720)
Then now PnC
Render:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241360;image)
Actual:Show Image(https://i.lih.kg/540/https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=101419.0;attach=241358;image)
credit to Maxferfra (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=71772)
Both shares similar characteristics in terms of the extend of color difference from its original renders - darker.
What I believe is that, if you as an author of the set, believed that the set should go on to a different path when you received the sample chip/key from manufacturer, you should let everyone knows and update the renders before the GB because that's what attracts others to support your project(s) in the first place. An author shouldn't change his direction when he receives everyone's monetary support and attempts on a bait and switch (forgive me if it sounds offensive, but in reality, that's what can be objectively seen as); rather, stick to what was offered to the table, the render's colors.
Ren has been trying to fend off this accusation by saying the colors are reflected differently under different lightings. I partly agree to this saying because lighting does affect colors. But at the end of the day, there is no denying that the colors are conspicuously differently from the renders regardless if the lighting is warm or cold, its just the colors are different, light versus dark, simple as that.
Some argue, its still very good looking.
This is not a valid argument to safeguard his work. It doesn't matter whether the outcome is good or not, its the attitude and quality of work he should ensure himself to uphold because at the end of the day, it's his supporters' whos helping to make this set become a reality. And let's look at this problem from a different perspective, let's say if this turns out very wrong, just like what happened to GMK Necro. Would you be as forgiving as you would? You see, its not about the outcome, not that its not important, but that the attitude and quality of work people entrusted Ren in the first place, he, at least from my point of view, betrays it.
It's very alarming to me that a keyset author has, again, from my point of view, screwed up 2 GMK sets on colorings (and I just did a brief research, to my surprise, there were only 2 sets designed by Ren that are out in the wild, that's a 100% screw up rate); I wanted to support community projects, but this is just something that makes me wonder if I should take part in any of Ren's GB in the future.
edit: to further validate my argument, yes, I have a PnC set as well. And to my eyes, its definitely not what was offered and I am to this day still very disappointed.
edit 2: further elaboration
edit 3: same ^
i did not get PnC but did get Mizu. I just wanted to chip in here to mention that my Mizu set actually looks alot closer to the render here than the photo. Something is off about the color correction of that photo.
Can't comment about PnC but Ren definitely got Mizu right.
I'll disagree here and say that renders of Mizu alphas looked pastel blue to me while my actual set in hand does not reflect that. My set looks like the "actual" picture that Senryo referenced. Not trying to bash Ren at all, love his ideas and designs but the pastel-ness of Mizu and PnC wasn't translated very well from renders to production imo.
Post by: Andalus on Fri, 29 May 2020, 17:10:10
As someone who joined the group buy, I'd be annoyed (perhaps unjustly) if Ren reran the set with modifiers that were closer to the original vision of the set, since a lot of people seem disappointed with how different the final product was to expectations. I understand that caveat emptor applies to group buys and that first adopters of anything run the biggest risk of being disappointed if/when a product is revised, but I think at the very least, it'd be a nice gesture to allow original supporters of the group buy an opportunity to purchase a set of just the modifiers if there's a "corrected" round 2 (and assuming the legends color isn't changed too).
as shown in past cases the best move is to do nothing for this set (since there's nothing to be done) and do better on the next set
often people have kneejerk reactions to things like this because, as you stated, the people who join the buy assume the risk of the colors coming out wrong
if, in a year or two, people are high on this set, then a new round should be considered
otherwise i agree with precedent and that the best course of action is to sell your set if you don't like it and try again in the next buy
a lot of work goes into a GB and pivoting into an r2 of a set that people are currently very low on is highly inadvisable
edit to add: cases like this bring out the amateur color scientists, which is actually kind of fascinating to watch because color science is, to my knowledge, one of the most complex fields and many people misunderstand it
Well said.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 29 May 2020, 19:59:46
As someone who joined the group buy, I'd be annoyed (perhaps unjustly) if Ren reran the set with modifiers that were closer to the original vision of the set, since a lot of people seem disappointed with how different the final product was to expectations. I understand that caveat emptor applies to group buys and that first adopters of anything run the biggest risk of being disappointed if/when a product is revised, but I think at the very least, it'd be a nice gesture to allow original supporters of the group buy an opportunity to purchase a set of just the modifiers if there's a "corrected" round 2 (and assuming the legends color isn't changed too).
as shown in past cases the best move is to do nothing for this set (since there's nothing to be done) and do better on the next set
often people have kneejerk reactions to things like this because, as you stated, the people who join the buy assume the risk of the colors coming out wrong
if, in a year or two, people are high on this set, then a new round should be considered
otherwise i agree with precedent and that the best course of action is to sell your set if you don't like it and try again in the next buy
a lot of work goes into a GB and pivoting into an r2 of a set that people are currently very low on is highly inadvisable
edit to add: cases like this bring out the amateur color scientists, which is actually kind of fascinating to watch because color science is, to my knowledge, one of the most complex fields and many people misunderstand it
Well said.
ive been here a while
Post by: elpepe21 on Mon, 01 June 2020, 22:15:20
But idk its like we have different eyes :eek:
Post by: quinnx on Wed, 03 June 2020, 09:58:31
Post by: senryo on Wed, 03 June 2020, 10:25:15
I see a lot of people holding on pitch fork and demand the "rendering" version, and the voice seem louder as more group buys passing by. This is a two sides problem, both designer and consumer are responsible. I'm all for designer choose color chip first hand. Just one problem, even if the color already picked, chance is the set can come out look like something you wouldnt buy if you see it (in my personal opinion, it is the GMK Metropolis, if I see this set in the real world, I will skip it unhesitatingly, mostly I think because the GMK texture doesnt play well with the color, and the shine, oh god the shine). As consumer, please please don't buy into 3D render, you join a group buy, it is a investment, start to educate yourself and set out your expectation. With me, renders is just " what the set could be" not " what the set should be". Now I join gb because I buy into the designer vision, I trust them to do the best course of action, and I think we as consumers should allow designer make the changes that the best for us (especially when they have chance to see the color in the real world on this certain texture). Heck, GMK PnC take a year to ship out since its IC day, I dont even remember the rendering, I guess you don't too unless you go back to the IC page. So this set ship out to me, who now have almost 0 prior knowledge about the rendering and I love it candidly. I think scale your expectation is one of the best way to manage your own satisfaction.
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As consumer, please please don't buy into 3D render, you join a group buy, it is a investment, start to educate yourself and set out your expectation.
How is this not runner's fault when the color is different from the "expectations" set out from the renders? Someone mentioned earlier with the technology improving exponentially, renders are getting closer and closer to real life representation nowadays when compared to the past. That is the very reason that a GB runner should bear more responsibility to ensure the renders faithfully reflecting the visions because when in the past, the technology barrier was high, there's still excuse to when the actual product came out wrong; but these days? There's simply no excuse.
Not to mention the practice was flawed as well, Ren did color sampling after the GB ended. (I know he does it now on IC, but that's one of the main issues)
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I guess you don't too unless you go back to the IC page
No not really, I do remember what its like because that was the very reason why I hopped on a group buy.
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I think scale your expectation is one of the best way to manage your own satisfaction.
It's true consumers/supporters should not be 100% reliant on renders; and should acknowledge the risks the come with the group buy. But it doesn't shift away the fact that Ren did a poor job on handling the GB, colors sampling and aftermath of the set.
Post by: quinnx on Wed, 03 June 2020, 10:55:01
I see a lot of people holding on pitch fork and demand the "rendering" version, and the voice seem louder as more group buys passing by. This is a two sides problem, both designer and consumer are responsible. I'm all for designer choose color chip first hand. Just one problem, even if the color already picked, chance is the set can come out look like something you wouldnt buy if you see it (in my personal opinion, it is the GMK Metropolis, if I see this set in the real world, I will skip it unhesitatingly, mostly I think because the GMK texture doesnt play well with the color, and the shine, oh god the shine). As consumer, please please don't buy into 3D render, you join a group buy, it is a investment, start to educate yourself and set out your expectation. With me, renders is just " what the set could be" not " what the set should be". Now I join gb because I buy into the designer vision, I trust them to do the best course of action, and I think we as consumers should allow designer make the changes that the best for us (especially when they have chance to see the color in the real world on this certain texture). Heck, GMK PnC take a year to ship out since its IC day, I dont even remember the rendering, I guess you don't too unless you go back to the IC page. So this set ship out to me, who now have almost 0 prior knowledge about the rendering and I love it candidly. I think scale your expectation is one of the best way to manage your own satisfaction.QuoteAs consumer, please please don't buy into 3D render, you join a group buy, it is a investment, start to educate yourself and set out your expectation.
How is this not runner's fault when the color is different from the "expectations" set out from the renders? Someone mentioned earlier with the technology improving exponentially, renders are getting closer and closer to real life representation nowadays when compared to the past. That is the very reason that a GB runner should bear more responsibility to ensure the renders faithfully reflecting the visions because when in the past, the technology barrier was high, there's still excuse to when the actual product came out wrong; but these days? There's simply no excuse.
Not to mention the practice was flawed as well, Ren did color sampling after the GB ended. (I know he does it now on IC, but that's one of the main issues)QuoteI guess you don't too unless you go back to the IC page
No not really, I do remember what its like because that was the very reason why I hopped on a group buy.QuoteI think scale your expectation is one of the best way to manage your own satisfaction.
It's true consumers/supporters should not be 100% reliant on renders; and should acknowledge the risks the come with the group buy. But it doesn't shift away the fact that Ren did a poor job on handling the GB, colors sampling and aftermath of the set.
I already point out best practice won't guarantee best outcome (imo, it is gmk Metro). The dissatisfaction stem from gap between the expectation and reality. Designer job is too lessen this gap, and it is your job as consumer to have accurate expectation too. I also mentioned people should take 3D render like "what is could be", not "what it should be" regardless of the complexity of technology but seem like you are a "Render Purist", so we are actually fundamentally difference when approach a gb, I don't think we merit from argue from two points of view. But even if your critics is valid, Ren already admit their fault and will adding new process of picking color for the new gb. Cross finger, they hold their words. What left? Persistently talking about the mistake without acknowledge their admission of error, make me think you are salty and look at this matter personally. My suggestion is move on, it is better for your health tbf.
Post by: senryo on Wed, 03 June 2020, 11:02:33
I see a lot of people holding on pitch fork and demand the "rendering" version, and the voice seem louder as more group buys passing by. This is a two sides problem, both designer and consumer are responsible. I'm all for designer choose color chip first hand. Just one problem, even if the color already picked, chance is the set can come out look like something you wouldnt buy if you see it (in my personal opinion, it is the GMK Metropolis, if I see this set in the real world, I will skip it unhesitatingly, mostly I think because the GMK texture doesnt play well with the color, and the shine, oh god the shine). As consumer, please please don't buy into 3D render, you join a group buy, it is a investment, start to educate yourself and set out your expectation. With me, renders is just " what the set could be" not " what the set should be". Now I join gb because I buy into the designer vision, I trust them to do the best course of action, and I think we as consumers should allow designer make the changes that the best for us (especially when they have chance to see the color in the real world on this certain texture). Heck, GMK PnC take a year to ship out since its IC day, I dont even remember the rendering, I guess you don't too unless you go back to the IC page. So this set ship out to me, who now have almost 0 prior knowledge about the rendering and I love it candidly. I think scale your expectation is one of the best way to manage your own satisfaction.QuoteAs consumer, please please don't buy into 3D render, you join a group buy, it is a investment, start to educate yourself and set out your expectation.
How is this not runner's fault when the color is different from the "expectations" set out from the renders? Someone mentioned earlier with the technology improving exponentially, renders are getting closer and closer to real life representation nowadays when compared to the past. That is the very reason that a GB runner should bear more responsibility to ensure the renders faithfully reflecting the visions because when in the past, the technology barrier was high, there's still excuse to when the actual product came out wrong; but these days? There's simply no excuse.
Not to mention the practice was flawed as well, Ren did color sampling after the GB ended. (I know he does it now on IC, but that's one of the main issues)QuoteI guess you don't too unless you go back to the IC page
No not really, I do remember what its like because that was the very reason why I hopped on a group buy.QuoteI think scale your expectation is one of the best way to manage your own satisfaction.
It's true consumers/supporters should not be 100% reliant on renders; and should acknowledge the risks the come with the group buy. But it doesn't shift away the fact that Ren did a poor job on handling the GB, colors sampling and aftermath of the set.
I already point out best practice won't guarantee best outcome (imo, it is gmk Metro). The dissatisfaction stem from gap between the expectation and reality. Designer job is too lessen this gap, and it is your job as consumer to have accurate expectation too. I also mentioned people should take 3D render like "what is could be", not "what it should be" regardless of the complexity of technology but seem like you are a "Render Purist", so we are actually fundamentally difference when approach a gb, I don't think we merit from argue from two points of view. But even if your critics is valid, Ren already admit their fault and will adding new process of picking color for the new gb. Cross finger, they hold their words. What left? Persistently talking about the mistake without acknowledge their admission of error, make me think you are salty and look at this matter personally. My suggestion is move on, it is better for your health tbf.
As I mentioned, I knew he acknowledged the underlying problems and act on it. I have no problem with it and am grateful for the changes.
What I was trying to point out is that, the points you brought up were, more like shifting away GB runner's responsibility on, quoting your own words, lessening the gap between expectation and reality, which Ren didn't do it properly. And I also agree that consumers should not be reliant on renders; but what's the problem of faithfully representing a project concept when you have the ability to do so on a crowdfunding project? Is ensuring the consumer what the best representation of a concept guilty?
Not sure if you have thoroughly read my arguments, I didn't ask for 1:1 render and reality product but the attitude and quality of work a gb runner should uphold to ensure the trusts placed on him by the consumers in the first place is not misplaced.
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Persistently talking about the mistake without acknowledge their admission of error, make me think you are salty and look at this matter personally.
Did I appreciate his admission of error?
Multiple times.
Did I complain on his other ICs?
No.
Did I continue to bash him for what he did not commit/do?
No.
I'm only criticizing him for what he did poorly. So may I ask what's the problem?
Post by: quinnx on Wed, 03 June 2020, 11:23:17
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What I was trying to point out is that, the points you brought up were, more like shifting away GB runner's responsibility on, quoting your own words, lessening the gap between expectation and reality, which Ren didn't do it properly. And I also agree that consumers should not be reliant on renders; but what's the problem of faithfully representing a project concept when you have the ability to do so on a crowdfunding project? Is ensuring the consumer what the best representation of a concept guilty?
I explicitly mention firstly in my response, Even a faithful render doesn't guarantee consumer satisfaction by the time you receive it regardless the complexity of technology. Alot of newbie buy into these gb either because of the hype or the render, either way it is really a set up to disappointment. Now my suggestion to not buying into render is still stand, especially when GMK gbs are a dime a dozen with gazillions different styles of renders. You cannot go to policizing every single one of them and hold them accountable. Terrible render is here to stay, because it is convenient, it is cheap and people still join gb for the sake of those render. And I'm all for quality GMK GB with proper render and communication, but if you want make that happen, we have to standardize everything in this hobby. Look it from financial point of view, a group buy regardless of render or already picked color chip is inherently risky, chance is going sh*t is high. Buyer should be aware of this risk. I don't shift the blame from desginer to buyer, the structure of the group buy is already set up so consumer take 99% of the risk. The best way to protect yourself is really not taking any render seriously, and maybe be selective more when you buy.
Post by: rxc92 on Wed, 03 June 2020, 20:34:41
Post by: senryo on Thu, 04 June 2020, 01:16:24
Senryo, could you do everyone a favor and not pretend like you represent everyone who bought this set? I'm very happy with how mine turned out, as are many others who aren't furiously commenting over and over. Compared to the render, it's well within the expected range of colors that occur when produced. Perhaps you expected something on the lighter end while I expected darker (i.e. how it turned out), but as there's no egregious error in the caps, it's just something you'll have to deal with.
Not sure where you get the idea I'm representing everyone. I've explicitly stated multiple times on almost every comments I made that its my personal opinion. Does my personal opinion represent everyone? How?
And how does "doing everyone a favor..." not making you the one representing everyone? Please.
Yea I'm probably acting like a police safeguarding the issue. But the problem, again, as stated over and over again, is not how good it turned out in the eye of consumers, but the attitude and quality of work a gb runner should uphold. You could argue he did nothing wrong because it was "well in the acceptable margin", well, I embrace your view and respect it; but its not changing mine.
I move on; but when someone try to, to my humble opinion, shift responsibility off his shoulder, I would just want to have a civil discussion over that.
Post by: rxc92 on Thu, 04 June 2020, 02:31:18
It's turned out close enough for me and many others. He's not at fault for it not being the exact same, as that's not what's expected from group buys. If that was your expectation coming into the GB, that's again entirely on you and nobody else's fault.
Post by: olsen34 on Thu, 04 June 2020, 02:47:22
Your analogy doesn't make any sense. As is abundantly clear, final products are supposed to be close to the render, but nowhere has anyone said that it was going to be the exact same.
It's turned out close enough for me and many others. He's not at fault for it not being the exact same, as that's not what's expected from group buys. If that was your expectation coming into the GB, that's again entirely on you and nobody else's fault.
"Close enough" lul. It's okay if you like the set darker, but saying it's close enough is just false. The end result looks closer to oranges and tangerines rather than peach and cream.
Post by: olsen34 on Thu, 04 June 2020, 02:49:18
Post by: senryo on Thu, 04 June 2020, 02:54:17
Your analogy doesn't make any sense. As is abundantly clear, final products are supposed to be close to the render, but nowhere has anyone said that it was going to be the exact same.
It's turned out close enough for me and many others. He's not at fault for it not being the exact same, as that's not what's expected from group buys. If that was your expectation coming into the GB, that's again entirely on you and nobody else's fault.
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...final products are supposed to be close to the render, but nowhere has anyone said that it was going to be the exact same.
Sigh, lemme quote my words again. Maybe multiple times for you because you seem to like to focus on one string instead of the whole picture.
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Not sure if you have thoroughly read my arguments, I didn't ask for 1:1 render and reality product but the attitude and quality of work a gb runner should uphold to ensure the trusts placed on him by the consumers in the first place is not misplaced.
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Yea I'm probably acting like a police safeguarding the issue. But the problem, again, as stated over and over again, is not how good it turned out in the eye of consumers, but the attitude and quality of work a gb runner should uphold.
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I've been saying, its not whether the set came out looking good or not, its the attitude and quality the author is bound to uphold to make his supporters feel ensured and have faith on him.
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With that many discussions above, let me reorganized my humble views.
it's not about how good it turned out; its about the process, the choice making and the responsibility to the supporters
it's not about hitting the proposed concepts / renders 1:1, but rather, faithfully following that path you set, not the vision you changed afterwards
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He's not at fault for it not being the exact same
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I think we're done here.
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 04 June 2020, 06:24:01
Not sure where you get the idea I'm representing everyone. I've explicitly stated multiple times on almost every comments I made that its my personal opinion. Does my personal opinion represent everyone? How?I completely agree.
And how does "doing everyone a favor..." not making you the one representing everyone? Please.
Yea I'm probably acting like a police safeguarding the issue. But the problem, again, as stated over and over again, is not how good it turned out in the eye of consumers, but the attitude and quality of work a gb runner should uphold. You could argue he did nothing wrong because it was "well in the acceptable margin", well, I embrace your view and respect it; but its not changing mine.
I move on; but when someone try to, to my humble opinion, shift responsibility off his shoulder, I would just want to have a civil discussion over that.
↑Your analogy doesn't make any sense. As is abundantly clear, final products are supposed to be close to the render, but nowhere has anyone said that it was going to be the exact same.
It's turned out close enough for me and many others. He's not at fault for it not being the exact same, as that's not what's expected from group buys. If that was your expectation coming into the GB, that's again entirely on you and nobody else's fault.
"Close enough" lul. It's okay if you like the set darker, but saying it's close enough is just false. The end result looks closer to oranges and tangerines rather than peach and cream.
Post by: noobiekeymech on Tue, 21 July 2020, 01:18:34
Post by: Honey on Tue, 21 July 2020, 23:24:30
Does anyone know if it's still possible to pick a set up? Thanks
Would have to pick one up off of mechmarket now, I believe all vendors have shipped their GB orders as well as already having done their extras sale for this set.
Post by: bliss on Thu, 30 July 2020, 05:48:52
The numpad without sub legends looks perfect and clean on a 100% board like I am using (while on a G80-1800 style keyboard I'd strongly prefer to have nav sub legends).
I found the novelties included in the base kit a nice touch as well - glad I joined <3
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 15 April 2021, 14:40:59
If Peaches n Cream ever runs again, we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?). For those of you who are unhappy with the set, I'm truly sorry, and I promise that I'll work harder and do better going forward, and I hope you can see the steps I've taken already.
Rensuya worked harder by changing the colors for r2 and expecting you to pay him again for something that he had in his power to ship the first time around.
Shameful you and Cannonkeys decided this is the route you wanted to take with this series of keycaps.
Post by: kiyoboard on Thu, 15 April 2021, 21:28:16
If Peaches n Cream ever runs again, we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?). For those of you who are unhappy with the set, I'm truly sorry, and I promise that I'll work harder and do better going forward, and I hope you can see the steps I've taken already.
Rensuya worked harder by changing the colors for r2 and expecting you to pay him again for something that he had in his power to ship the first time around.
Shameful you and Cannonkeys decided this is the route you wanted to take with this series of keycaps.
As someone who owns the first set(and like it), and enjoy Cannonkeys products, I also think it wasn't the best approach. It feels like rewarding someone for making a mistake. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that, but what is going to happen if colors don't match again?
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 16 April 2021, 10:43:59
If Peaches n Cream ever runs again, we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?). For those of you who are unhappy with the set, I'm truly sorry, and I promise that I'll work harder and do better going forward, and I hope you can see the steps I've taken already.
Rensuya worked harder by changing the colors for r2 and expecting you to pay him again for something that he had in his power to ship the first time around.
Shameful you and Cannonkeys decided this is the route you wanted to take with this series of keycaps.
As someone who owns the first set(and like it), and enjoy Cannonkeys products, I also think it wasn't the best approach. It feels like rewarding someone for making a mistake. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that, but what is going to happen if colors don't match again?
Nothing, obviously, unless enough of the new people who are unaware of the previous issues are willing to boycott further sets once this ships in 2022. Who knows what keyboards will be like then considered the last past year we saw.
I find running it again egregious to no end without compensating people for r1, even though Rensuya admitted to making a mistake.
The fact that r2 isn't being posted on this website where Cannonkeys posts ALL of their group buys and ICs, and only has a few threads on reddit and got one to two instagram posts leading up to the release helps me realize Upas and Ren know they're under fire but don't care.
Why anyone would support these types of practices is beyond me.
Post by: directheatedtriode on Wed, 21 April 2021, 14:56:40
Post by: kiyoboard on Wed, 21 April 2021, 17:23:46
Is the Rama peach cap different from R1? I thought Rama was no longer remaking caps from previous runs?
I remember them mentioning Ramas being different color, due to set itself being slightly different color as well. So technically they are not remake.
Post by: SuddenlyDonkey on Wed, 21 April 2021, 18:47:47
Post by: hyppialonso on Thu, 22 April 2021, 05:14:23
If Peaches n Cream ever runs again, we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?). For those of you who are unhappy with the set, I'm truly sorry, and I promise that I'll work harder and do better going forward, and I hope you can see the steps I've taken already.
Rensuya worked harder by changing the colors for r2 and expecting you to pay him again for something that he had in his power to ship the first time around.
Shameful you and Cannonkeys decided this is the route you wanted to take with this series of keycaps.
As someone who owns the first set(and like it), and enjoy Cannonkeys products, I also think it wasn't the best approach. It feels like rewarding someone for making a mistake. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that, but what is going to happen if colors don't match again?
Nothing, obviously, unless enough of the new people who are unaware of the previous issues are willing to boycott further sets once this ships in 2022. Who knows what keyboards will be like then considered the last past year we saw.
I find running it again egregious to no end without compensating people for r1, even though Rensuya admitted to making a mistake.
The fact that r2 isn't being posted on this website where Cannonkeys posts ALL of their group buys and ICs, and only has a few threads on reddit and got one to two instagram posts leading up to the release helps me realize Upas and Ren know they're under fire but don't care.
Why anyone would support these types of practices is beyond me.
Yes, he just doesn't careIf Peaches n Cream ever runs again, we'll probably ask for the lighter colors we chose from the pantones. (GMK Pale Peaches?). For those of you who are unhappy with the set, I'm truly sorry, and I promise that I'll work harder and do better going forward, and I hope you can see the steps I've taken already.
Rensuya worked harder by changing the colors for r2 and expecting you to pay him again for something that he had in his power to ship the first time around.
Shameful you and Cannonkeys decided this is the route you wanted to take with this series of keycaps.
As someone who owns the first set(and like it), and enjoy Cannonkeys products, I also think it wasn't the best approach. It feels like rewarding someone for making a mistake. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that, but what is going to happen if colors don't match again?
Nothing, obviously, unless enough of the new people who are unaware of the previous issues are willing to boycott further sets once this ships in 2022. Who knows what keyboards will be like then considered the last past year we saw.
I find running it again egregious to no end without compensating people for r1, even though Rensuya admitted to making a mistake.
The fact that r2 isn't being posted on this website where Cannonkeys posts ALL of their group buys and ICs, and only has a few threads on reddit and got one to two instagram posts leading up to the release helps me realize Upas and Ren know they're under fire but don't care.
Why anyone would support these types of practices is beyond me.
He may just run r3 if r2 is f up too, maybe on drop? :D