Mouse Guide 2.0: A list of mice with superior sensors and more.

[iLLucionist]

I watched a few teardown videos of the g502, that top shell looks a bit thin. I guess I see what you mean

So... what does that have to do with double clicking? Does it matter? Is it crappy quality?

I don't have a G502 so I have no idea what build quality is like. I was just commenting on the thickness of the top shell

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Ah ok. I thought you meant something specifically with the thickness of the top shell.

[tp4tissue]

Here's the thing with these mice.. they're not designed to LAST a long time..

for example, even on the Logitechs, 

Plastic gets brittle over time..  and all of these mice just has screws going directly into the plastic..

Most of the time, the screwholes are shattered with age..

sigh.......... this happened to my mx510 in the back..

I had to repair it by drilling two holes on the bottom, and tying the back together to the screw using steel wire..

[iLLucionist]

Here's the thing with these mice.. they're not designed to LAST a long time..

for example, even on the Logitechs, 

Plastic gets brittle over time..  and all of these mice just has screws going directly into the plastic..

Most of the time, the screwholes are shattered with age..

sigh.......... this happened to my mx510 in the back..

I had to repair it by drilling two holes on the bottom, and tying the back together to the screw using steel wire..

Honestly, I believe that Mionix shells are of higher quality than logitech shells. But we'll see.. I only have my two avior 7000's for two years now.

It makes sense that quality is lower... they want you to keep coming back for more when it breaks. But it shouldn't be that way.

[tp4tissue]

Here's the thing with these mice.. they're not designed to LAST a long time..

for example, even on the Logitechs, 

Plastic gets brittle over time..  and all of these mice just has screws going directly into the plastic..

Most of the time, the screwholes are shattered with age..

sigh.......... this happened to my mx510 in the back..

I had to repair it by drilling two holes on the bottom, and tying the back together to the screw using steel wire..

Honestly, I believe that Mionix shells are of higher quality than logitech shells. But we'll see.. I only have my two avior 7000's for two years now.

It makes sense that quality is lower... they want you to keep coming back for more when it breaks. But it shouldn't be that way.

I Know righ?

[iLLucionist]

Here's the thing with these mice.. they're not designed to LAST a long time..

for example, even on the Logitechs, 

Plastic gets brittle over time..  and all of these mice just has screws going directly into the plastic..

Most of the time, the screwholes are shattered with age..

sigh.......... this happened to my mx510 in the back..

I had to repair it by drilling two holes on the bottom, and tying the back together to the screw using steel wire..

Honestly, I believe that Mionix shells are of higher quality than logitech shells. But we'll see.. I only have my two avior 7000's for two years now.

It makes sense that quality is lower... they want you to keep coming back for more when it breaks. But it shouldn't be that way.

I Know righ?

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Especially if you're collecting. Perhaps hoping your kids will pick up where you left. But a G502 will never survive a legacy. WE ARE DOOOOOOMED

[xtrafrood]

Here's the thing with these mice.. they're not designed to LAST a long time..

for example, even on the Logitechs, 

Plastic gets brittle over time..  and all of these mice just has screws going directly into the plastic..

Most of the time, the screwholes are shattered with age..

sigh.......... this happened to my mx510 in the back..

I had to repair it by drilling two holes on the bottom, and tying the back together to the screw using steel wire..

Honestly, I believe that Mionix shells are of higher quality than logitech shells. But we'll see.. I only have my two avior 7000's for two years now.

It makes sense that quality is lower... they want you to keep coming back for more when it breaks. But it shouldn't be that way.

I Know righ?

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Especially if you're collecting. Perhaps hoping your kids will pick up where you left. But a G502 will never survive a legacy. WE ARE DOOOOOOMED

Legacy? Kids? Man (or lady idk.. maybe tp knows), some of us wear out equipment faster than others

[iLLucionist]

Here's the thing with these mice.. they're not designed to LAST a long time..

for example, even on the Logitechs, 

Plastic gets brittle over time..  and all of these mice just has screws going directly into the plastic..

Most of the time, the screwholes are shattered with age..

sigh.......... this happened to my mx510 in the back..

I had to repair it by drilling two holes on the bottom, and tying the back together to the screw using steel wire..

Honestly, I believe that Mionix shells are of higher quality than logitech shells. But we'll see.. I only have my two avior 7000's for two years now.

It makes sense that quality is lower... they want you to keep coming back for more when it breaks. But it shouldn't be that way.

I Know righ?

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Especially if you're collecting. Perhaps hoping your kids will pick up where you left. But a G502 will never survive a legacy. WE ARE DOOOOOOMED

Legacy? Kids? Man (or lady idk.. maybe tp knows), some of us wear out equipment faster than others

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We'll see how the G502 will hold out once I get one. I'll put it through my rage test and see how it lasts.

[xtrafrood]

Here's the thing with these mice.. they're not designed to LAST a long time..

for example, even on the Logitechs, 

Plastic gets brittle over time..  and all of these mice just has screws going directly into the plastic..

Most of the time, the screwholes are shattered with age..

sigh.......... this happened to my mx510 in the back..

I had to repair it by drilling two holes on the bottom, and tying the back together to the screw using steel wire..

Honestly, I believe that Mionix shells are of higher quality than logitech shells. But we'll see.. I only have my two avior 7000's for two years now.

It makes sense that quality is lower... they want you to keep coming back for more when it breaks. But it shouldn't be that way.

I Know righ?

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Especially if you're collecting. Perhaps hoping your kids will pick up where you left. But a G502 will never survive a legacy. WE ARE DOOOOOOMED

Legacy? Kids? Man (or lady idk.. maybe tp knows), some of us wear out equipment faster than others

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We'll see how the G502 will hold out once I get one. I'll put it through my rage test and see how it lasts.

I'll melt through mine with my lava hands )

[tp4tissue]

Just ordered a G100s because I wanted to try this mythical 69grams.

I think putting d2f-01f 's in it will prolly push it to 70 though..

[iLLucionist]

Just ordered a G100s because I wanted to try this mythical 69grams.

I think putting d2f-01f 's in it will prolly push it to 70 though..

Dat scroll wheel looks vintage man!

Does that require desoldering and soldering?

[munch]

Just ordered a G100s because I wanted to try this mythical 69grams.

I think putting d2f-01f 's in it will prolly push it to 70 though..

there's a weight in the top shell that you can unscrew too.

[tp4tissue]

Just ordered a G100s because I wanted to try this mythical 69grams.

I think putting d2f-01f 's in it will prolly push it to 70 though..

there's a weight in the top shell that you can unscrew too.

yea, accounting for that, I believe it's going to be ~ 70g

[Bucake]

i actually put the weight back in..
maybe i didn't give it a fair chance to get used to it, but it was just too light

[tp4tissue]

i actually put the weight back in..
maybe i didn't give it a fair chance to get used to it, but it was just too light

U just need more skillz....


nawh, Idk,  i'm excited.. hopefully it'll get there soonish.. 

I just hope it's not a counterfeit..   got it for $11.99 on ebay, but it's new, no box,

Actually no,  I HOPE it's a counterfeit,  then I get to complain about it to Ebay and expose the Evil ebay seller..

[iLLucionist]

G100s has a good sensor yes? Honestly, it looks cheap to me.

If changing the buttons requires soldering, why not put in low profile topre?

[tp4tissue]

G100s has a good sensor yes? Honestly, it looks cheap to me.

If changing the buttons requires soldering, why not put in low profile topre?

for $11.99,  it IS cheap..

I looked at the PCB design online.. And from what I can tell, it doesn't look like the board would be torqued in any odd way for the traces to break..  So, my guess is, the problems people talk about switches double clicking and malfunctioning after 6 months, is likely due to the solder joint..

I noticed the recent logitech mice have all gone Lead Free.. so.. that might be the cause of the issue..

[iLLucionist]

G100s has a good sensor yes? Honestly, it looks cheap to me.

If changing the buttons requires soldering, why not put in low profile topre?

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for $11.99,  it IS cheap..

I looked at the PCB design online.. And from what I can tell, it doesn't look like the board would be torqued in any odd way for the traces to break..  So, my guess is, the problems people talk about switches double clicking and malfunctioning after 6 months, is likely due to the solder joint..

I noticed the recent logitech mice have all gone Lead Free.. so.. that might be the cause of the issue..

Good to know... I'm about to buy the G502 (and I want an G303 but those have the side tracking issue) once I've felt it in my hands.

(Cold) solder joint? Like literally where the switch pins are soldered to the PCB?

[tp4tissue]

Good to know... I'm about to buy the G502 (and I want an G303 but those have the side tracking issue) once I've felt it in my hands.

(Cold) solder joint? Like literally where the switch pins are soldered to the PCB?

Most likely cold joints..

I noticed this when I took apart my G400 as well.. the soldering isn't very good.

[iLLucionist]

Good to know... I'm about to buy the G502 (and I want an G303 but those have the side tracking issue) once I've felt it in my hands.

(Cold) solder joint? Like literally where the switch pins are soldered to the PCB?

Most likely cold joints..

I noticed this when I took apart my G400 as well.. the soldering isn't very good.

Those f**kers. I think these mice are expensive enough to solder properly.

Do you have the g303 yourself?

[tp4tissue]

Good to know... I'm about to buy the G502 (and I want an G303 but those have the side tracking issue) once I've felt it in my hands.

(Cold) solder joint? Like literally where the switch pins are soldered to the PCB?

Most likely cold joints..

I noticed this when I took apart my G400 as well.. the soldering isn't very good.

Those f**kers. I think these mice are expensive enough to solder properly.

Do you have the g303 yourself?

No I no haz money for G303.. which is why I bought that $11.99 G100s..

Funny, cuz I spent like $40 buying all these D2F-01F.... hahahahahahaha

[iLLucionist]

Good to know... I'm about to buy the G502 (and I want an G303 but those have the side tracking issue) once I've felt it in my hands.

(Cold) solder joint? Like literally where the switch pins are soldered to the PCB?

Most likely cold joints..

I noticed this when I took apart my G400 as well.. the soldering isn't very good.

Those f**kers. I think these mice are expensive enough to solder properly.

Do you have the g303 yourself?

No I no haz money for G303.. which is why I bought that $11.99 G100s..

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Funny, cuz I spent like $40 buying all these D2F-01F.... hahahahahahaha

I just bought the Nikon D7200 starter kit with 105-140 lens. I'm literally broke now. That camera better take some damn good pics of mah caps.

[tp4tissue]

Just Ordered some Kester 44 63/37  0.031, excited..   I was gonna get more 0.02,  but If I really think about it.. 0.02 is harder to use because you gotta move the wire really fast to reduce heating time..  whereas the 0.03 is a better balance and you can get things done more quickly..

It's not like 0.02 was any good when i tried it on smd anyway,  something even thinner would be better..

[Bucake]

No I no haz money for G303.. which is why I bought that $11.99 G100s..

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Funny, cuz I spent like $40 buying all these D2F-01F.... hahahahahahaha

G100s has one of the highest price-to-quality ratios imo, as long as you can live without side-buttons (which you probably can since you're used to the WMO).
btw, how many switches did you get for that $40? (ebay?)

[tp4tissue]

No I no haz money for G303.. which is why I bought that $11.99 G100s..

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Funny, cuz I spent like $40 buying all these D2F-01F.... hahahahahahaha

G100s has one of the highest price-to-quality ratios imo, as long as you can live without side-buttons (which you probably can since you're used to the WMO).
btw, how many switches did you get for that $40? (ebay?)

you get 25 switches for $40 at Mouser.com 

[iLLucionist]

No I no haz money for G303.. which is why I bought that $11.99 G100s..

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Funny, cuz I spent like $40 buying all these D2F-01F.... hahahahahahaha

G100s has one of the highest price-to-quality ratios imo, as long as you can live without side-buttons (which you probably can since you're used to the WMO).
btw, how many switches did you get for that $40? (ebay?)

F**k 'em side buttons. What's their use anyway? Mis-clicking every damm time? I have them on my avior and I only use them to go back/forward in the browser.

[Bucake]

yeah a lot of people use M4 for in-game voice-activation, but i only used those buttons for browsing as well.
and now that i'm sometimes using the WMO and G100s, i've gotten used to using ALT+left or right arrow, or just right click -> back/forward. even when i use mice with side-buttons, i just forget about them and use those shortcuts anyway..
side-buttons are almost always in the way of how i grip, i think the G400 is the only exception to this. maybe the IE3 as well, but i don't even remember (it's been a while!)

thanks tp4tissue, will check it out!

[iLLucionist]

yeah a lot of people use M4 for in-game voice-activation, but i only used those buttons for browsing as well.
and now that i'm sometimes using the WMO and G100s, i've gotten used to using ALT+left or right arrow, or just right click -> back/forward. even when i use mice with side-buttons, i just forget about them and use those shortcuts anyway..
side-buttons are almost always in the way of how i grip, i think the G400 is the only exception to this. maybe the IE3 as well, but i don't even remember (it's been a while!)

thanks tp4tissue, will check it out!

I know what you mean, it's annoying. My thumb is relatively long apparently, so I touch the "sniper"-button I believe it is? on the g502 as well accidentally. Pff

[tp4tissue]

yeah a lot of people use M4 for in-game voice-activation, but i only used those buttons for browsing as well.
and now that i'm sometimes using the WMO and G100s, i've gotten used to using ALT+left or right arrow, or just right click -> back/forward. even when i use mice with side-buttons, i just forget about them and use those shortcuts anyway..
side-buttons are almost always in the way of how i grip, i think the G400 is the only exception to this. maybe the IE3 as well, but i don't even remember (it's been a while!)

thanks tp4tissue, will check it out!

I know what you mean, it's annoying. My thumb is relatively long apparently, so I touch the "sniper"-button I believe it is? on the g502 as well accidentally. Pff

U mean the "n00b-camper" button. ?

[iLLucionist]

yeah a lot of people use M4 for in-game voice-activation, but i only used those buttons for browsing as well.
and now that i'm sometimes using the WMO and G100s, i've gotten used to using ALT+left or right arrow, or just right click -> back/forward. even when i use mice with side-buttons, i just forget about them and use those shortcuts anyway..
side-buttons are almost always in the way of how i grip, i think the G400 is the only exception to this. maybe the IE3 as well, but i don't even remember (it's been a while!)

thanks tp4tissue, will check it out!

I know what you mean, it's annoying. My thumb is relatively long apparently, so I touch the "sniper"-button I believe it is? on the g502 as well accidentally. Pff

U mean the "n00b-camper" button. ?

That one yeah

Went to the store today to feel the g502 in mah hand. It feels smaller than my avior 7000. To be honest, it feels extremely crappy. All plastic works a little bit, squeeks a bit. Really weird. REALLY weird. Mouse button left / right uneven. Scroll wheel feels like it comes off a Trust mouse.

Am I doing the feelingz wrong?

[tp4tissue]

yeah a lot of people use M4 for in-game voice-activation, but i only used those buttons for browsing as well.
and now that i'm sometimes using the WMO and G100s, i've gotten used to using ALT+left or right arrow, or just right click -> back/forward. even when i use mice with side-buttons, i just forget about them and use those shortcuts anyway..
side-buttons are almost always in the way of how i grip, i think the G400 is the only exception to this. maybe the IE3 as well, but i don't even remember (it's been a while!)

thanks tp4tissue, will check it out!

I know what you mean, it's annoying. My thumb is relatively long apparently, so I touch the "sniper"-button I believe it is? on the g502 as well accidentally. Pff

U mean the "n00b-camper" button. ?

That one yeah

Went to the store today to feel the g502 in mah hand. It feels smaller than my avior 7000. To be honest, it feels extremely crappy. All plastic works a little bit, squeeks a bit. Really weird. REALLY weird. Mouse button left / right uneven. Scroll wheel feels like it comes off a Trust mouse.

Am I doing the feelingz wrong?

Well, the store version is like the promiscuous-village-girl..  So..... I mean, it's been through alot, seen many hands, many rough hands..

[iLLucionist]

yeah a lot of people use M4 for in-game voice-activation, but i only used those buttons for browsing as well.
and now that i'm sometimes using the WMO and G100s, i've gotten used to using ALT+left or right arrow, or just right click -> back/forward. even when i use mice with side-buttons, i just forget about them and use those shortcuts anyway..
side-buttons are almost always in the way of how i grip, i think the G400 is the only exception to this. maybe the IE3 as well, but i don't even remember (it's been a while!)

thanks tp4tissue, will check it out!

I know what you mean, it's annoying. My thumb is relatively long apparently, so I touch the "sniper"-button I believe it is? on the g502 as well accidentally. Pff

U mean the "n00b-camper" button. ?

That one yeah

Went to the store today to feel the g502 in mah hand. It feels smaller than my avior 7000. To be honest, it feels extremely crappy. All plastic works a little bit, squeeks a bit. Really weird. REALLY weird. Mouse button left / right uneven. Scroll wheel feels like it comes off a Trust mouse.

Am I doing the feelingz wrong?

Well, the store version is like the promiscuous-village-girl..  So..... I mean, it's been through alot, seen many hands, many rough hands..

Philosophical one: if it cannot withstand being a **** of many, can it withstand actual proper use by one?

[tp4tissue]

Ya'll remember the M-BT58 ?

This was the Go-To for many offices..




It has a very low malfunctioning speed, so pretty much impossible to game with, even though it does do 570hz.

But check this out,  They bothered to COUNTERFEIT this mouse.. hahahahahahah

What's was the point.. vvvvvvvvv


http://www.abclinuxu.cz/blog/Shteffi/2007/5/alzasoft-asi-prodava-falesne-logitechy

[iLLucionist]

Ya'll remember the M-BT58 ?

This was the Go-To for many offices..

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It has a very low malfunctioning speed, so pretty much impossible to game with, even though it does do 570hz.

But check this out,  They bothered to COUNTERFEIT this mouse.. hahahahahahah

What's was the point.. vvvvvvvvv


http://www.abclinuxu.cz/blog/Shteffi/2007/5/alzasoft-asi-prodava-falesne-logitechy

Oh man yeah... those were abundant everywhere. You could not hide from them. They felt relatively decent but I had some jitter with them on some surfaces.

What sensor do they have again?

[Bucake]

i wonder how big the counterfeit industry must be if they even did that mouse.
but maybe it's just because they know some miss the shape, and it was probably relatively easy to counterfeit..

[tp4tissue]

i wonder how big the counterfeit industry must be if they even did that mouse.
but maybe it's just because they know some miss the shape, and it was probably relatively easy to counterfeit..

I just don't see how much extra money they could possibly make by going that route ..

I mean, that mouse, while fine for office work, is still fairly crummy


It happened a long time ago though..  During those times, Dollar vs Yuan was still 1:8 vs the 1:6.3 today...

So I guess even a few extra dollar bump was good..

[iLLucionist]

i wonder how big the counterfeit industry must be if they even did that mouse.
but maybe it's just because they know some miss the shape, and it was probably relatively easy to counterfeit..

I just don't see how much extra money they could possibly make by going that route ..

I mean, that mouse, while fine for office work, is still fairly crummy


It happened a long time ago though..  During those times, Dollar vs Yuan was still 1:8 vs the 1:6.3 today...

So I guess even a few extra dollar bump was good..

Do you guys know the brand "Trust"? Basically, it is Logitech, but crappy execution. But almost the same design. THAT is top counterfeit and apparently it works coz that crap is still being sold.

[bocahgundul]

Zowie EC1-A is out of stock anywhere can I get a good mouse recommendation? I palm grip and I don't like g502 because of the akward shape and the heavy weight?


tp4? is the list updated?

[derpingit]

Your post will be referenced for generations to come . Holly crap! . Good job


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[tp4tissue]

Zowie EC1-A is out of stock anywhere can I get a good mouse recommendation? I palm grip and I don't like g502 because of the akward shape and the heavy weight?


tp4? is the list updated?

No the list is not up to date..

Assuming the mouse you're looking at is using one of the sensors above, and that it advertises (no angle snapping/smoothing),   

Then it has a GOOD CHANCE of being performance equivalent.


The issue however is...  We don't really have many ways of testing it.. because most people don't own robotic arms at home..

[Coreda]

The issue however is...  We don't really have many ways of testing it.. because most people don't own robotic arms at home..

Reminds me of this gif someone made of ESReality's benchmarking setup years ago, where a lamp arm and turntable was used.



Though I think in reality it wasn't the mouse that moved but rather the turntable.

[bocahgundul]

Your post will be referenced for generations to come . Holly crap! . Good job


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what? u wot m8? 

[Grim Fandango]

Updated and added a few mice (finalmouse 2015 and Logitech G Pro). I don't have time for a huge update, but since this thread still gets so many views I will start adding mice more frequently until the list is up to date and includes the most important models.

[nugglets]

Updated and added a few mice (finalmouse 2015 and Logitech G Pro). I don't have time for a huge update, but since this thread still gets so many views I will start adding mice more frequently until the list is up to date and includes the most important models.

Really interested in the G Pro. I've always preferred the intellimouse-style shape to Logitech's, but I think I could deal with it for a lightweight 3366 mouse with minimal gimmicks.

[Bucake]

if you want? @Grim Fandango, i could help out a little bit by PMing you some mice and their specs, for example a few of the newly released 3360 mice

[Grim Fandango]

if you want? @Grim Fandango, i could help out a little bit by PMing you some mice and their specs, for example a few of the newly released 3360 mice

Appreciate the help. Everyone is always fee to submit some mice (and specs) that they think should be added to the list. The only real requirement is that the mouse has been tested by the community and some kind of consensus about its performance and quality has been established.

I am aware there are quite a few mice that can be added to the list. There has been a rapid growth in gaming mice that focus on performance as gamers become more aware of the things we discuss here in this thread. Not too long ago this would have been a pretty short list.

[geniekid]

This thread should really be stickied.

[keentom]

Hi there

I have a deathadder. When I choose 1000 as polling rate mouserate.exe still detect a value of ~500

I don't know why.
Anyone can help?

[xtrafrood]

Hi there

I have a deathadder. When I choose 1000 as polling rate mouserate.exe still detect a value of ~500

I don't know why.
Anyone can help?

I Hope for your sake that your mouse didn't suffer through a power surge like mine did. Looks like a few capacitors were damaged (I don't have the equipment to check) and now the mouse (not a Razer) is stuck on 2k dpi :/

[keentom]

I Hope for your sake that your mouse didn't suffer through a power surge like mine did. Looks like a few capacitors were damaged (I don't have the equipment to check) and now the mouse (not a Razer) is stuck on 2k dpi :/

I uninstalled Synapse and my mouse has nox a polling rate peaks of +1000hz

It works.

Also will unstalling synapse set the dpi to the native DPI?

[xtrafrood]

I Hope for your sake that your mouse didn't suffer through a power surge like mine did. Looks like a few capacitors were damaged (I don't have the equipment to check) and now the mouse (not a Razer) is stuck on 2k dpi :/

I uninstalled Synapse and my mouse has nox a polling rate peaks of +1000hz

It works.

Also will unstalling synapse set the dpi to the native DPI?

Um, I'm not sure. If you saved a profile to the mouse then you'll probably still have your dpi configuration. Mine lost the ability to save or change profiles after the power surge.

I'm glad you found your answer